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Lisa

"Dark Dungeons", the "Alberto" series, "The Last Generation", and "Wounded Children" are extremely notorious too, and frequently spoofed or criticized by their targets. "Lisa" may well be Chick's sickest but I don't know if it's all that well known. Secret Squirrel 09:25, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

You're right. "Sickest" is much better (I'm not sure I want to know if there's a competitor) - David Gerard 10:14, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Lisa link is broken. Found a new one though. I'll put it up, and host it on RW so it will endure. Found it at http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3109013 . Cheddarius 06:19, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

You have to pay to use that link, and I can't find a link to the tract. Does anyone have sauce? Web (talk) 19:12, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks like Cheddarguy was true to his word & uploaded it here. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 23:08, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks like thats only half of it, it ends right when Henry says he know about Charlies secret with lisa. =/ Web (talk) 07:01, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I found the other three parts! I'll upload them soon.Web (talk) 01:46, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Moving on Up

Chick's got a new one up, exposing the perils of evilutionary thinking. I don't know whether his understanding of religion or science is more appallingly wrong. (Note the demon plugging the kid's ears. As Slacktivist points out, apparently on Planet Fundamentalist, us heathens have free will when dealing with God, but not Satan.) --Gulik 04:08, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Wait, why does that evolution poster thing have a man hunting a T-Rex? Its HIM who believes human and dinosaurs coexisted. He's usually consistent in things that don't involve lakes of fire. NightFlare^{Speak, mortal} 05:33, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Given Chick's understanding of evolution is on par with the average person's knowledge on flying to Mars this shouldn't surprise anyone. I should mention that religion is as responsible for the Master race concept as evolution. The concept that Cain's mark was black skin comes to mind and that goes back to the 18th century--long before Darwin.--BruceGrubb (talk) 15:43, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Energizer wingnut

Good heavens, he's still going, teaching us that Jesus even protects you from badly drawn vampires! --Kels 18:51, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Yuh huh! It's a dreadful dynasty of vampire dorks. The latest incarnation did not go according to plan, however.... --JeevesMkII 20:42, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

I notice how the art has reverted to the "crappy" version, which means Chick's doing it himself. --Kels 20:51, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Vampires? Why not werewolves or banshees? δλερνερ ^{διαλέγομαι | συνεισφέρω} 21:13, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Tract request....

Anyone know where I could get hold of a scan of "kings of the east"? It sounds like a classic, I might etch it in brass for my wall. --JeevesMkII 16:08, 10 September 2008 (EDT)

Far too late, but whatever: Kings of the East--Th. Bernhard (talk) 15:26, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Cthulhu Parody

The original was taken down because Jack Chick's lawyers threatened lawsuit, but you can find a reproduction here [1]. Beautiful.

Jack Chick's lawyers threaten lawsuit over nonsense--such as claiming copywrite against Parodies and other idiocy.

Their lawyers should go back and relearn the 'Color of law' part of the legal field. Parodies of copyrighted material are NOT violations and Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994) said that such parodies can be done for a profit.--BruceGrubb (talk) 11:22, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Title goes here

How long has Chick been around? Time educated Phantom Hoover! 08:17, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Early 1960s, I think. Secret Squirrel 08:21, 1 March 2009 (EST)

He was born April 13, 1924 and he did a one panel cartoon "Times Have Changed?" though it wasn't Why No Revival? in 1961 that the world got a good dose of the Christian Crazy that are the meat and potatoes of his tracks. In addition to the track his company also produces full sized comics such as Crusader and a six issue comic regarding Alberto Rivera which are generally better written then the tracks but have their own brand of Christian Crazy.--BruceGrubb (talk) 11:34, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Sick

Jack Chick, Jack Chick, anyone sane thinks you are sick

We see you bash atheists, and send your drawings to hELL because they aren't. . . theists

In First Bite, we see a young mite

Help, I need more lines. --"C, U R^{the defenestratable, outrunning cephalopod.} 15:28, 1 March 2009 (EST)

No, you need to stuff it up your ass. Fall down

**** you, Fall Down. --"C, U R^{the defenestratable, outrunning cephalopod.} 15:30, 1 March 2009 (EST)

THAT was a great play in three acts.-Diadochus 15:47, 1 March 2009 (EST)

Enchanting! The critics agree, CUR and Fall Down are the new odd couple! One's a therian, the other's a massive festering cock made of hate and misogyny! What wacky adventures will they get into in the sequel ConservapediaUndergroundResistor and Fall Down Meet Frankenstein's Monster? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 01:13, 2 March 2009 (EST)

"One's a therian, the other's a massive festering cock..." —Yossarian. Ah, but which is which? : ) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:31, 2 March 2009 (EST)

I'll eat my hat if FD is a therian! That would be remarkable. He better not be, 'cause I love my hat. And if CUR is a misogynist...I'll...eat a cheetah? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 08:49, 2 March 2009 (EST)

Buddha vs. Jesus

Jesus, a.k.a. God the Son, is supposed to be eternal, only being incarnated in A.D. 1 for his Good News town-crier mission. I suggest that the caption be reworded. ListenerX^TalkerX 02:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

lisa on youtube

The full Lisa comic is here on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4owD_-6d7cw

But I'm not sure how the video embed works. --Bob^{Not Jim} 16:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

C.S. Lewis

Seriously? I guess Chick isn't familiar with the concept of allegory and didn't know anything about the man. Then again, that's not terribly surprising, all things considered.^{— Unsigned, by: 76.18.84.98 / talk / contribs}

I know... poor bugger can't get a break from anybody... Wazza^{Hello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me...} 04:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

From any fundamentalist perspective (and a fair number of non-fundamentalist ones), Lewis's theology is heretical after being stripped of its allegorical presentation. To cite just one example, the Aslan's remarks to Emeth clearly endorse the concept of the "Anonymous Christian," which no fundamentalist would endorse. So from Chick's perspective, Lewis is not an apologist for true Christianity, but for a fake Christianity that will lead to damnation for anyone who believes in it. That Lewis's work has talking animals in it is secondary at most.

Lisa: Sins are equal

Actually, Christianity considers all sins equal, meaning porn and child molestation are just as bad. Not that that means Jack Chick is justified in saying so. I'd list his sins, but I don't want to overload your server. Lilfut

Catholicism has two categories of sin. Mortal sin - which will damn you unless you're absolved of it, and the other kind (the name escapes me) which only leaves God slightly miffed, but still willing to accept you in to happy happy land in the sky. --^{Ask me about your mother} 15:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Venial sin ^narchist 18:15, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

True, but Chick isn't Catholic. Most Protestants think that sin is sin is sin. Lilfut

No, they don't. They believe that God that can forgive all sins, no matter how severe, if you truly repent; but that is not the same as believing that all forms of sin are equally evil. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:00, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

It's hard to believe that the average Christian would believe that working on a Sunday is equivalent to committing genocide.--Bob^{Not Jim} 21:53, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Christianity (not just Catholics) has two classes of sins. All sins can be forgiven, except for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. See Matthew 12:31-32. That's the theology, but of course most Christians adopt a slightly more nuanced view by ignoring or reinterpreting the more troublesome scripture. --^{Ask me about your mother} 20:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Animated version of a Jack Chick story

Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXzGjQD8Dwc&feature=player_embedded#!Ryantherebel (talk) 01:46, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Hilarious. Wẽãšẽĩõĩď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 07:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

You had the patience to get to the end? You're better than me.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 09:09, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, whoever animated that needs to enable joint compensation in order to stop their shoulders looking like bent toilet roll tubes. ^narchist 12:48, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The wonders of free rigs and a pirated copy of Maya, I guess. The digital students in the next class over could easily do better than that. --Kels (talk) 05:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Where can I buy these things?

Does he sell these on his website? I'd like to know before I go there, as that's the only reason I would go there. Other than that, is there anywhere to buy these NOT in wholesale quantities? I remember having one or two as a kid, given my hyper religious upbringing. Majintahu (talk) 08:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I used to buy them in the local Christian bookshop to make into tape covers. Totnesmartin (talk) 13:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Logic fail

“”Like much of religion, especially the extremist view on religion, Chick's tracts suffer epic logic fail in that the devil and demons in his work are often portrayed as happily torturing "sinners" in hell and deriving great pleasure from inflicting suffering on the damned. Yet, if one were to look at the situation logically, the devil and demons are more evil than the humans who simply did not accept jesus as their master, and deserve worse punishment. In Chick's universe, however, they seem to be rewarded with the pleasure of torturing people. It is highly illogical to give the worst offenders against god, the devil and demons, a position where they get to torture those less guilty and enjoy doing so.

Not really. The "rules" about punishment and reward apply to corporeal human beings and don't extend to demonic entities. Demons are the instrument and mechanism of this punishment so their actions and attitudes are irrelevant. Indeed, you could argue that their enjoyment of it contributes to the punishment and so is part of their nature. You could push that further and say they're not really enjoying it as such in the sense we would think of it, just appearing to because that is their nature and demons don't have the free will to enjoy or not enjoy such sadism. It's an amusing observation, but a logical failure it is not. ADK^{...I'll orate your imitation fake vomit!} 13:41, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

There's also the point that in the Bible, Satan is a prisoner in hell. The idea of him ruling the place comes from Dante and Milton. At least, i think, this is true, I read it in a Cracked list. Totnesmartin (talk) 13:44, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

It's a well known fact that most ideas of hell come from Inferno and emphatically not the Bible. So, "technically", criticising visions of hell is a straw man argument against religion as the text of the religion doesn't say that - although people may believe it. ADK^{...I'll cuddle your hallway!} 13:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't help things then the Devil is largely portrayed as this master schemer and then in First Bite the Devil portrayed as total clown responding "I lied. Because that's what I do." when asked why something doesn't turn out as promised. It get worst if you hop over to Skeptic Bible and see if God lies]--turns out God does lie as well. For example: "And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet," (Ezekiel 14:9) The KJV clearly states this in this case it is God and NOT SATAN who deceived that prophet. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 is even more blunt about the matter: "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." That is why I put in that stuff about ignoring quotes in the KJV bible that refute Chick's claims--I'm reworking it to show he also uses partial quotes to support his claims.--BruceGrubb (talk) 09:38, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

So - crazy man quotes crazy book - but gets crazy quotes wrong? The thing is that I don't think that we are really into deciding the "true meaning of the bible" on this site. Also the bold text and capitals is all bit fundamentalist.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 10:25, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

It not so much a "true" meaning of the Bible but pointing out Chick leaves out little details. For example, Matthew 25:41 get cited a lot--I think it must be Chick's favorite passage given how many tracts reference it. However, if you read it in context (ie Matthew 25:41-46) you find a passage that deals with good works not belief in Jesus. Somebody Goofed is Chick's ham fisted way of handling skeptics complete with the old "Those who claim it (The Bible) to be filled with contradictions, simply do not understand it" copout.--BruceGrubb (talk) 10:47, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Silver Brain

What needs to happen here, to make this a silver brain? GodotThe Peyote God awaits 17:50, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, looks silver to me. Тyrannis^{An iron, but caring, fist} 12:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Copyright Violation?

The article alleges that Dark Dungeons violates TSR's copyright, but does not specify what part of the tract does. The only thing I saw that would be a candidate would be the DM screen, though I do not know if the screen depicts an actual TSR product. Clarification would be appreciated. Imarcuson (talk) 05:43, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I removed it. It was unsourced opinion and really unnecessary in a world in which Jack Chick doesn't need any help being an asshole. 05:49, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't see a copyright violation there, but his "Angels?" tract clearly shows the band's logo as being that of Bad Religion. That's a trademark violation, something a lot more serious. Cubeman (talk) 04:56, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

I agree regarding the claim Dark Dungeons violates TSR's copyright as in 1984 (when the tract came out) there were still a reasonable number of TSR like games in the market. It was the focus thanks to Patricia Pulling and her BADD organization insanity that turned D&D into a target. I would like to point out that Chick's one panel use of things like Bewitched and Family Guy would fall under fair use.--BruceGrubb (talk) 00:21, 29 June 2016 (UTC)

Global warming

Last month, it seems Chick released a tract on global warming.[2]--"Shut up, Brx." 03:42, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

"Gaia"'s censorship made my day. Flare^Talk 06:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

More demented than usual for Chick. "Global warming experts pray to Ixchel and Gaia for guidance!" "Jesus was queer!" Obligatory anti-Catholicism on page 3. I'll have to see if I can dig up an old copy of Escape!, where Chick favorably cites Paul Ehrlich. Secret Squirrel (talk) 10:37, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Maybe this article has too many examples

I mean, Chick Publications has a wealth of lulzy materials, but the article is starting to look tl;dr. Maybe we could cut down on some of the examples? Maybe move them to a subpage?--"Shut up, Brx." 01:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't trim it: it's fun to read. ^{(talk to a)} Nihilist 19:54, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

You know, for a while, I've thought about asking whether we could set up articles for individual Chick tracts - not all of them, just the major ones like Dark Dungeons and This Was Your Life. Any takers? Balaam (talk) 20:43, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

More possible omissions

• JWs (Watchtower and all that).
• Slash fiction.
• Hare Krishnas.
• The theremin (for obvious reasons)

82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Huh? (for obvious reasons) Wēāŝēīōīď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:34, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The theremin has 'pokey-out bits' and is used for producing spooky music (it can be heard on Midommer Murders theme tune).

Slash fiction is mostly written by women for women. 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:47, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Also omitted:

• Statue of Liberty (lamp sticking up)
• Statue of Justice (sword)
• Guns (cod-Freudian explanation)
• Greys
• The things on the noticeboard of the chap who used to be on Oxford Street.

82.44.143.26 (talk) 19:37, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

The fuck you talking about? Wěǎšěǐǒǐď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 08:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Variously phallic symbols, type of aliens and Stanley Green (for whom see Wikipedia) 212.85.6.26 (talk) 16:13, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Also Daleks ('Dis-sem-i-nate! Dis-sem-i-nate!) 212.85.6.26 (talk) 16:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Also missing:

• Jeff Bridges poll dancing
• Computer chips
• Anal probes
• A small green rodent
• Underarm hair

The misconstrued trutle is playing a menora like theme tune. ^narchist 17:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Jack - generic for male of certain species, Chick - chicken. Therefore the cod-Freudian analysis of the issue is.... 82.44.143.26 (talk) 18:12, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

And also [3] 82.44.143.26 (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Silver

I just unilaterally rated this article silver. Not just because it deserves it, but also (and mostly) because I can. ^_^ --The Hellhole! ^{g͘͡r̸̀a̸̶̡n̶̶͜ţ̡ ̀҉̴̨͡m̀͘͜͢e͡ ̸͟҉̷̢ỳ̸̡̀͞ơ̡̢̡ų̧r̴̀͡͝ ̡҉҉̧̛s̵̕͏̡ǫ̀́͢ų́l̵̕҉}|^{G̕͡a̵͘͜z̴͞e͏̴̧͞ ͏̀͠͞u͜͢ņţ̛ơ̶͜ ̶̢̛̀t̴͢h̢̛͠҉è̸̛ ̨́a̸͟b̴̧̀̕͡ý̨͠s͡s͟͠͝} 14:37, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

'Dark Dungeons' film

The article reports that "a film based on 'Dark Dungeons' is due for release in 2014." As this is now a year passed, are there any reputable sources saying how or if this scheme came to fruition? Vaal (talk) 05:21, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I think it got a very limited release, but it was indeed released 14 August 2014. Bongolian (talk) 05:44, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Hmm.. with neither a Rotten Tomatoes or Wikipedia page, and only a bare-bones entry on IMDb, is any further explanation of the film needed? Vaal (talk) 22:59, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, I just saw the updated information. Vaal (talk) 23:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Jack Chick has died.

According to the Chick Publishing Facebook page. Jack Chick died on October 23, 2016 at the age of 92.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/chicktracts/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED Bobafan (talk) 19:13, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AzURH-yOtKs Had to. Chair tater (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

A look into the bizarre world of Christian comics

Worth a watch; some good quotes, some interesting stats — and I had no idea that Chick Tracts are the most printed, most distributed and most read comics in the world?! I mean, I'd think Donald Duck would've had Jack Chick beat or something! But according to VICE's comic expert, no such luck... Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

Actually, while the print numbers might be huge and possibly distribution numbers too (although how many of the copies are actually circulating is anyone's guess), I seriously doubt that the numbers that are actually read is really that high. I had certainly never heard of them before I came across them on the web via RW and YT within the last couple of years. I suspect that the numbers are padded with bulk purchases the way various libertarian groups have boosted similar stats on the "literature" of Ayn Rand through similar bulk orders and unsolicited distribution (most of which will probably be binned unread) and targeted campaigns in polls about the most popular books.

The claim that Chick tracts are the most read comics might be tested by a randomly sampled (though perhaps with some specific age groups) questionnaire conducted in a number of countries testing the knowledge of the titles, front pages and contents of a selection of comics. I doubt Chick tracts would score as high as, for instance, Donald Duck. ScepticWombat (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

My two cents

I love that logic of "no matter how good person you are, as long as do not accept (Jesus) Christ as your savior you'll be bathing in the Lake of Fire for all eternity. Same if you've been horny or whatever in your life just once" -I guess Heaven must be a very empty place-.

Gee, reminds me of the Salvation War series (ask TVTropes) where is stated Heaven closed its doors because our aspirations became too high for what really was the place. --93.191.139.9 (talk) 15:22, 5 March 2017 (UTC)

The satire comic "Last Rites" is about Chick himself facing the Final Judgement...and God is not happy. God (to Jack): You depicted Me as a psychopathic egomaniac.--BruceGrubb (talk) 09:55, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

The Kings Of The East

$Insertformulahere$I also am looking for a copy of the tract "Kings Of The East" Dooes anyone have any ideas on how I can get one?

Quintin

LoveGod3@aol.com ^{— Unsigned, by: 65.190.7.161 / talk 00:54, 18 October 2008}

The is a video of it on youtube. To sum of it up is makes is is the communism will take over the world New World nonsense that make Joseph McCarthy look like a hippy by comparison.--BruceGrubb (talk) 21:34, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Is this real?

I know Jack's "comics" thanks to D&D sites (Dark Dungeons) and this one -fortunately that BS has not arrived to this country-. Seriously... pity all of what is depicted there is BS 'cause I'd like to see him thrown into the Lake of Fire, as by the rules of his works Heaven would have to be a very empty place and not even him would be safe. --Panzerfaust (talk) 09:36, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

I asked myself something along the same lines here... Still shocked that he was so widely distributed. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:15, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

Oh it's real. I used to know some Seventh Day Adventists who believed in it hook, line and sinker back in the eighties. And don't be too hard on him. I think he converted more people to atheism (or at least scepticism) than to Christianity. Bicycle^wheel 12:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

My faith on the human race is sinking even more. Oh, and thanks to him I always pictre evangelist preachers as people dressing as 50's gentlemen. --Panzerfaust (talk) 00:35, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Was Jack Chick really anti-semitic?

I have been doing a let's read of chick tracts over on spacebattles, and from what I have gathered, I find it doubtful Jack was truly an anti-semite. He clearly seemed to no have quarrels against people of a different race, but that doesn't excuse him from his attitudes against various religious groups. Jack was a moron, of course, and he believed the Holocaust was motivated by religion, not race or homophobia or anti-communism. But is it truly fair to say he was completely anti-semitic? I would say no, but it is hard to say what his exact opinions on the Jews were.^{— Unsigned, by: 82.71.40.120 / talk / contribs}

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I imagine he hated Judaism just like he hated all religions except for his brand of Christianity, whether or not he hated Jews is an entirely different matter. Christopher (talk) 10:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

His view on Jews was at odds with his view of Judaism as seen in Love The Jewish People vs "Where's Rabbi Waxman?" which is par for the course.--BruceGrubb (talk) 13:26, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Lazaretto

I found it fun that Jack White mentioned Jack Chick on his newest album Lazaretto, on the song "black bat licorice" he says "she writes letters like a jack chick comic/ just a bunch of propaganda,makes my fingers histrionic like this, and this.~joshjoad ^{— Unsigned, by: 71.234.88.83 / talk / contribs} 22:28, 10 July 2014

JACK CHICK

I wonder that the author of "The Two Babylons," Alexander Hislop wasn't included in the list of bad Chick authors? His work has been completely debunked, yet his myths have exploded, thanks to the internet. ^{— Unsigned, by: Anna nimus / talk / contribs}

Good catch, I added a reference to Hislop. Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 20:55, 28 December 2017 (UTC)