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ur gayyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

1. how did you find out? 2. So what? 3. What are you doing next Saturday? ;-) PFoster 21:07, 2 November 2008 (EST)

No hard feelings. Good to see someone with a sense of humor ☺

Make up your bloody mind[edit]

Have you left or not? I'm getting sick of you just waltzing back in here and preempting my goat news items. That's the second time you've done it. Redchuck.gif Генгисunbelieving 05:32, 10 September 2008 (EDT)


^_^ New3.pngPink(Astronomy Domine) 18:22, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

He's Back, and He's Bad[edit]

The big difference is - I live in America now. Leaving Canada and coming here has made me realise in a short time how much more is at stake with the loony religious right. I said when I "left" RW that I didn't want to spend any more time exposing myself to the hate-filled ignorance and self-righteousness that masquerades for intellectual discourse on CP. And I don't. Problem is, hints of it are all around me: it's no longer something happening far away on the internets. These people are crazy, and these people are dangerous. I like the idea of playing a teeny-tiny part in helping to expose the lunacy of their politics and the hatred at the heart of their ideas -- and having a few laughs on the way.

And besides that, I'm still getting dinged for a Pi Pledge every month, so I might as well get my money's wortth...

I hope you'll have me. PFoster 18:27, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

GRUNT. Why do I always miss the block opportunities? ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ would rather be hated for who he is than loved for who he is not

No-one ever wanted you to go. Fightt the good fightt! Redchuck.gif Генгисunbelieving 18:30, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Corrected your tyop, Mr GK. New3.pngPink(Astronomy Domine) 18:37, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Should this page maybe be unprotected, then? New3.pngPink(Astronomy Domine) 18:37, 12 September 2008 (EDT)
Done and Done.PFoster 18:38, 12 September 2008 (EDT)

What the?[edit]

You are doing my referencing on the Schlafly no jokes page? Why? Ace McWickedThis Talk Page is growing rapidly 21:38, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

Didn't touch references, i think...PFoster 21:42, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
You must have accidently, no stress. I am just going through and tidying all the refs you see. Ace McWickedThis Talk Page is growing rapidly 21:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

"I'm French"[edit]

Oooh, I never knew that ^_^
Say something in French! New3.pngPink(Astronomy Domine) 22:13, 21 September 2008 (EDT)

Ce type là est incroyablement con. Il est stupide. En plus, je crois qu'il est en train de nier son orientation sexuelle. Si c'est ne pas le cas, comment peut-on expliquer son obsession avec les articles sur les homosexuelles? Vraiment. PFoster 22:21, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
Yeah...vraiment. New3.pngPink(Astronomy Domine) 22:24, 21 September 2008 (EDT)
I thought he was Canadian? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 10:59, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
I gues that would make him Quebecian, eh? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 10:59, 8 October 2008 (EDT)


Foster, I have just sent you a Very Important Email. Or rather I tried to, but your email wasn't enabled. Would you please enable it? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 10:59, 8 October 2008 (EDT)


Shouldn't we keep the talk page, seeing as it's a record of the decision to delete? New3.pngPink(Stupid signature) 13:21, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

I was under the impression that S.O.P. was to delete the talk page when an article got vaped--but I've been wrong before...restore if you think that's the way it should be. Peace...PFoster 13:25, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Talk pages have always been kept before, in my experience.
What does SOP stand for? New3.pngPink(Small!) 13:29, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Standard Operating Procedure. PFoster 13:42, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
Fangs New3.pngPink(v-v) 13:45, 15 October 2008 (EDT)

Sysop 101[edit]

LOL! Thanks for the lesson, Teach! It took me a few to figure out WTF!--Der Meister des Marionettestalk! 19:51, 28 October 2008 (EDT)


Iz u also Michigander? Or do you come down south for the beer? :) δλερνερ διαλέγομαι | συνεισφέρω 21:24, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

I live in the People's Republic of Ann Arbor. Doin' my Doctorate at U of M. Nice place, for the US, at least...PFoster 21:28, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Neat, I was in Ann Arbor just a week ago, (I live in Oak Park). δλερνερ διαλέγομαι | συνεισφέρω 21:30, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Mrs. Puppets is from Mount Pleasant (CMU!)--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 21:44, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
I won't tell you what I think of when I see the name "Mount Pleasant." PFoster 21:54, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Casinos?--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 22:23, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Um, yeah...that's it. Casinos. And "Hail to the Chippewa." That's what I think of when I think "Mount Pleasant." PFoster 22:29, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, the missus told me all about that issue... oops, I'm on the reservation now naa naa!--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 22:36, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

What do you think when you hear "Oak Park"? δλερνερ διαλέγομαι | συνεισφέρω 22:43, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

nothing. Because "Oak Park" doesn't lend itself to sexual innuendo and double-entendre like "Mount Pleasant" does. But I'm really wondering what "issue" M of P is talking about. PFoster 22:48, 28 October 2008 (EDT)
I think of Frank Lloyd Wright. And a guy I met in college. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:05, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

Maybe we Michiganders should get together on election night? What say you? δλερνερ διαλέγομαι | συνεισφέρω 22:10, 29 October 2008 (EDT)

Already committed to a party here, and I'm not terribly mobile (don't believe in cars...) PFoster 22:29, 29 October 2008 (EDT)
The local population is not too happy about the politics (read double-standards) surrounding the reservation. If one of the native americans commits a crime off the reservation and then runs back onto the reservation, nothing happens to them. And the Tribal (ahem) "Police" do nothing and the local government does nothing to follow up. They can quite literally get away with murder. That's the viewpoint of the townpeople there anyway. I have no opinion either way as I have not witnessed any of it personally! That's what I thought you meant by "Hail to the Chippewa" because the local (and state) government seem to cater to the tribe's whim! --MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 22:42, 29 October 2008 (EDT)


Nice work. --Space traveller 15:31, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. PFoster 15:37, 1 November 2008 (EDT)

Bunchofnumbers vandal[edit]

Hey! What's the appropriate way to handle the obvious IP vermin here? I know that on CP, permanent banning (along with some offensive rhetoric) is an appropriate punishment at the first offense; and at WP one has to be ridiculously forgiving to the point that a vandal sends in the trojan virus before the admins push the block button. Just curious!--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 21:14, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Good question--Trent, Human, RA--what's protocol in this case? PFoster 21:16, 2 November 2008 (EST)
First, revert and ignore. Second, I don't know if Trent improved the "vandal" group yet to handle IPs, but if he did, you move them into the vandal group (follow link from block page). What hugely horrible insanely hard to fix embarrassingly pwning our site edits has said vicious IP vandal perpetrated? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:32, 2 November 2008 (EST)
Nothing cereal. Called me a few names, called me gay. Not a big deal--it's just a little, creepy, y'know? PFoster 21:34, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Vandalpage wouldn't take the IP address.--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 21:45, 2 November 2008 (EST)

Bunchofnumber wandals only last a few edits; if they persist start the Fibonacci blocking sequence at 1 hour. - User 22:11, 2 November 2008 (EST)
That particularly bunchanumbers ( has been quite pesky. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 07:44, 3 November 2008 (EST)
So long as it remains easily revertable it's not a massive issue. Although when blocking IPs, it's fairly decent practice to allow account creation so they can create an account (for some bizarre reason, RW as an entity looks upon this as better...). What exactly does the vandal category do anyway, just reduce the edits to one every 30 mins? I suppose it would be too much effort to limit which articles they could edit and how severely (this is not locking an article per se, but I can see how it would be considered to be and therefore frowned upon) ArmondikoVpostate 15:02, 3 November 2008 (EST)

Fred Phelps is his password; his password is Fred Phelps[edit]

is that any different from the vcat thing? Confused. PFoster 13:07, 4 November 2008 (EST)

and pray, where does one find such a button for the pressing? PFoster 13:10, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I Am Very Slightly Offended[edit]

I spent, what, like two minutes distorting that essay to make the guy seem like (more of a dumbass) than he already was, and you go and delete the thing at the drop of a hat? I thought you guys were all about creative wikivandalism and crap over here. Not that I don't understand your rationale--I do (and honestly I agree with it), but Jeez Louise. You could have at least read the thing before you tossed it to the wind.

Look--you're right, I didn't read it, and I really don't give a fuck anymore. That thing is poison and there's no fucking reason to have it on this site. If it said what it did about blacks of Jews, it would have been vaped in asecond. But because it's about women, the old boys here think that free speech is all of a sudden a factor. Well, fuck them, and fuck that essay. Time to move on. PFoster 22:51, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Okay, okay, I'm sorry. Like I said, I'm on your side. I just wish I had spent 30 minutes vandalizing something that might, you know, actually be noticed. My problem, not yours. Don't let my whining get in the way of the greater social good.


I got rid of it. Now stop playing a drama queen and go do something useful. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 10:31, 25 November 2008 (EST)


What field do you work in? I'm a grad student myself (Currently attempting to get funding for a PHD, did my masters last year) MarcusCicero 10:51, 28 November 2008 (EST)

First year Ph.D.--also defended my MA last year. African history--East African--food policies and post-colonial states. Yourself? PFoster 13:11, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Ahh... I see why we bumped heads in the WIGO page! I'm in a state of limbo, I started a PHD programme but had my fee's delayed until my funding comes through... Now because of spending cutbacks here in ireland the Irish Research Council for arts and humanities is 'reviewing' mine and others pledged funding. Might have to work on it independently this year or make a better effort of it next year. Anyway, it'll give me an opportunity to go back to work and make some money again. Also, I am specialising in Modern Irish History (1910 to 1925ish, more specifically the Civil War) MarcusCicero 13:33, 28 November 2008 (EST)


You are getting quick ;) - User 22:07, 28 November 2008 (EST) I SHOULD be working on my damn paper. I am getting easily distracted. PFoster 22:07, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Our friend[edit]

Certainly seems to have got it in for you ;-) --ToastToastand marmite 21:58, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Sigh. What to do? PFoster 22:00, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Remind him where he came from? Or d'you think his mommy was nasty to him? ToastToastand marmite 22:03, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Y'know, misogyny has never made sense to me--half the planet is a lot of people to have a hate-on for, and most women are pretty wonderful creatures. PFoster 22:07, 29 November 2008 (EST)
"Thank you kindly, sir" she said. ToastToastand marmite 22:08, 29 November 2008 (EST)
Looks as if the party is at your place tonight. Perhaps we should move it to the Brown Jug or something? 22:09, 29 November 2008 (EST) - this was by Carptrash 01:03, 30 November 2008 (EST), by the way.
A party? I bringz balloonz! ħumanUser talk:Human 22:23, 29 November 2008 (EST)


Um...freeganism is the idea that shoplifting and dumpster diving, etc. are valid political statements against the meat industry. It is definitely an example of extreme moonbattery. Veganism by contrast is a mere dietary choice. Secret Squirrel 22:06, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I disagree--with the shoplifting you might have a case, but most freegans I know are more into the dumpster diving thing--and what makes it not-extreme is that it's a personal choice theyive made for themselves, not something they see as a viable way for everyone to live their life. PFoster 22:10, 30 November 2008 (EST)

By the way...[edit]

I never thanked you for the (various) votes of confidence you've given me. (Over at both Capitalism and Freeganism.) Especially since I also greatly respect you as a user and a scholar (even when we disagree), it means a lot to me. So, thank you.Researcher 00:08, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Oh, in other news, I'll be in the Ann Arbor area in early January. Want to grab a beer or something? Researcher 00:13, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Hey, wow...thanks. I appreciate it. And yes, beer in Ann Arbor would be awesome...what brings you to A2? 00:19, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Wow, the first annual RW member get together!!! (I haven't heard of any others, although I should stalk track down EV Debs since he's in MA...) We expect a full report, and pictures of you both grinning in front of college buildings... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:54, 3 December 2008 (EST)
A friend of mine lives in Detroit and goes to school in Ann Arbor, and I'm going to be visiting him for a week. While I'm up there, I'd like to see Ann Arbor as well as Detroit. Researcher 09:30, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Blocking FallDown[edit]

His edits weren't that extreme, my man. I don't like FD any more than you do, but Perverted Justice is about how that organisation is straying into entrapment, hence any rationalisation of the victim's actions. WazzaHello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me... 09:40, 5 December 2008 (EST)

There is a profound difference between a predator and a sexually frustrated man who responds to a 13-15 year old girl So says FD.That is saying that somehow, "sexual frustration" is a mitigating factor in a child molester's guilt. Over the line. PFoster 09:44, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Banning pedophiles from Wikipedia not only is inherently wrong as using the machinery of power against people based only on their ideas, but polarizes and distorts our coverage of pedophilia From FD's user/project page. Again, unacceptablr. PFoster 09:46, 5 December 2008 (EST)
OK, OK... but in context of that page, taking that statement alone, it's not worth a 3 year ban. WazzaHello? Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me... 09:50, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Revert the text by all means but 3-year blocks are not our style. Redchuck.gif Генгисunbelieving 09:55, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Look, that guy is fucking poison, he hates women and wants to use RW to justify that. He also now wants to bring a "rational" approach to understanding online child predation. Why do you want him on the wiki? Where is that value added by his presence? Revert the ban if you will--but I don't see what good can come of it. PFoster 10:01, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, he's a complete arsehole. But as has been said, 3 year blocks aren't the RW style. Play by the rules and do it by the fibonacci thing or something. ArmondikoVpostate 10:14, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Look, I am far to PISSED OFF with this guy to be the guy handing out blocks. I absolve myself of it, (and the IP he then edited under.) Someone else do it--unblock him and go with what you think is right, or i will institute headless chicken mode. ThanksPFoster 10:18, 5 December 2008 (EST)
(EC) To be honest, I agree with PFoster in this case. We've got a history of being so sensitive to not being like CP that we go to the other extreme, and fail to block people who obviously qualify. That's why folks like TK have always been able to play us so easily, even when we know what he's about. "Don't be so open minded that your brains fall out" seems highly appropriate here. --Kels 10:18, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks Kels. PFoster 10:22, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Fibonacci & Pi blocks are all very well as they give opportunity for change or apology, but I think we've had ample proof that this tosser will not amend his behaviour at any time. I agree with PF & Kels. ToastToastand marmite 10:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I've started it at 1 month. If the guy comes back and does it again, go for 2 months. It's easy. After that, the joke will probably wear thin and they'll piss off of their own accord. In the meantime, feel free to revert/vapourise the crap that's been left behind. ArmondikoVpostate 10:30, 5 December 2008 (EST)
(EC) We've managed to handle obnoxious types before without 3-year bans. Even the Troll King wasn't blocked for that long. And it isn't a case of being open-minded as I doubt that there are any editors who support his views. Even with a blocked IP he can re-edit usng a proxy. There's no way I want to defend him (I presume it's a male) but even a month would probably be sufficent to persuade him to move on. Redchuck.gif Генгисunbelieving 10:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I'm on board for the month he just got.-caius (spy) 10:35, 5 December 2008 (EST)
If you'll remember, I did ban the Troll King for infinite, but it was immediately overturned. For the record, I still think it was well justified in the face of considerable evidence, it's just that fear of Being What We Hate that he promoted was still in place. And, from what I can see here, remains the case. --Kels 10:41, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Say, what about the IPs the guy keeps using to come back and try to engage on the PJ page? Should we be banning those for the same amount? --Kels 10:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)

If it's clear that the BON is the same person, it's violating a block and the IPs should be added. If you want to add them to a list that says "known socks and proxies of this user" that could help. Just ensure that you uncheck "account creation" with IPs, it's particularly important if they're proxies that could be used by legitimate users. ArmondikoVpostate 10:47, 5 December 2008 (EST)
It's just a weird theory, not based on anything specific, but I wonder if it's possible that the constant shifting of the guy's proxies is an attempt to goad us into doing a range block to keep him out? That would fit with a Certain Person's MO of trying to make us do things that could then be claimed to be equivalent to what we criticize CP for. Again, no proof or anything, just an odd thought. --Kels 11:31, 5 December 2008 (EST)
It's certainly not out of the question. The user did "dare us" to range block Tor. ArmondikoVpostate 11:33, 5 December 2008 (EST)


It's a wind up. Block, revert and keep fucking schtum. DFTT, n' all that. --Robledo 14:31, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Censorship policies[edit]

Hi. Could you clarify/explain rationalwiki's censorship policies for me? You seem to be one of the most active in this regard so I thought I should ask the "chief censor" :-). Thanks.--Herbert the Hamster 12:25, 5 December 2008 (EST)

About as subtle as a hammer there, dude. --Kels 12:26, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I'm sorry?--Herbert the Hamster 12:28, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Man this wiki is starting to get a bit chaotic. In general, we try not to censure points of view, but now and then, we find something highly disagreeable and we remove it. There is no real set (persay) policy on censorship (that I know of). I suppose you can find more at Template talk:Buried. Hope this helps. ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ would rather be hated for who he is than loved for who he is not
Thanks for that Java. But it looked more like a discussion about a template. It seems that if anybody finds something objectionable they can censor it. But I'm sure that isn't the case though.--Herbert the Hamster 12:38, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Interesting you keep using a loaded term like "censorship". Before you go any further, could you define it, please? --Kels 12:41, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Hello Kels. I've got no problem with your existing article on Censorship, but in terms of a website like this I suppose it could include "Things which we won't allow you to say". This website is obviolusly owned by the community and I was simply wondering what this community would not allow to be said. I'm not looking for a fight.--Herbert the Hamster 12:53, 5 December 2008 (EST)
"Censorship" is an awfully strong term in that case, then. Perhaps what you're looking for is "community standards"? --Kels 13:00, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I would have thought that "Things you are now allowed to say." was a pretty good definition of censorship. Not a "strong term" at all. Indeed, if censorship is not about telling people what then they can, and can not, say , then what is censorship about?
That is very true, we do have articles on, say, birth control and sex that some might find offensive. In general, we remove what the community objects to. Say that somebody wrote a highly inflammatory essay about the dangers of tolerating new users, I would expect the entire site to be in arms about it, and, from my current perspective I would advocate burying or removing the essay. At the same time, I feel that the birth control article is informative, and despite the details, ultimitally a helpful article. It boils down to the mobracracy, what the group decides to do is, ultimitally, done. ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ would rather be hated for who he is than loved for who he is notC
OK, I've only been here a very short while, but I get the impression that individuals censor what they don't like rather then what the community objects to. But I've only looked at a couple of conversations so I'm not an expert.--Herbert the Hamster 12:56, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I don't think there's an agreed set policy. It often overlaps with vandalism and blocking offenses which, although they have a policy, are rarely used consistently (side-effect of mob rule, really). If you're refering to PFoster undoing one of Arse-biscuit's edits to a talk page, then I suppose that's his decision if he doesn't want such crap on his own talk page. I'm happy to leave the "insult" on mine because I think it self evidently shows RW to be in the right and a certain user to be a prat but you can't force everyone to have opinions associated with them by forcing them to keep certain posts on their talk or user page. ArmondikoVpostate 13:08, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Actually, what caught my eye was: "unblock him and go with what you think is right, or i will institute headless chicken mode." I have been told that the mode without chicken heads is a Bad Thing. But perhaps I took it out of context. --Herbert the Hamster 13:32, 5 December 2008 (EST)
By and large our main area where we might apply "censorship" is with regards to hate-speech that unfairly discriminates against sexuality, gender, race, nationality, political or (ir)religious belief. Of course that doesn't mean that every viewpoint gets a free ride. Religion is subject to a lot of criticism (not least from myself) but we (most of us) don't hate people just because they happen to be Jewish, Muslim, gay or whatever and we have debates about political points of view. We're not Wikipedia so any non-mission topics need to have some SPOV or be put in "fun" namespace and have some lulz. That's why Hammy's colour or animal articles weren't welcomed with open arms. As this site was set up to protest the censorship at CP (amongst other reasons) you will find some explicit topics or article names which were not allowed at CP. We don't claim to be family friendly, so there is a lot of "adult" language - even though Fox still can't bring himself to actually type "GOD". Redchuck.gif Генгисunbelieving 13:42, 5 December 2008 (EST)
OK, thanks Mr Khant. (Though I still think there is a certain lack of clarity.)--Herbert the Hamster 17:30, 5 December 2008 (EST)