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Good work on Kramberger. :D (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Well, here goes[edit]

My first edit on a wiki that was not my user page. Here's hoping that I am not screwing it up.

I just got your message about the second email I sent you. Thank you for explaining that out to me. I do not necessarily have my finger on the pulse around here, as it were. Mostly along for the ride, trying to help things in the ways that I can.

If it is OK with you, then I am going to take the messages I sent you, and make them my user page. Might give people here a better understanding of me than a link to my facebook.

Sounds reasonable to me. P-Foster (talk) 19:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


If you have time and don't mind a short trip into Queens, you might consider this beer garden if the weather is nice. It's a magical happyland. ATP (talk) 19:35, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

It's awesome. Overrun with hipsters but awesome. Nutty Roux (talk) 23:07, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
You could be describing the whole city, Nutty. P-Foster (talk) 23:23, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Your recent block[edit]

If you are going to engage in 'robust' debate with Rob as in this edit [1] you really shouldn't block him for 10 years when he responds "robustly" [2] . No offence, and I certainly agree with you that RobS is a nob, but you started the "robust" argument with him and it is highly unfair that you block him. --DamoHi 03:16, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Fuck him. It felt good. And I knew that somebody would revert it in a few minutes. And fuck him. He's a troll who brings NOTHING of value to this community. ZERO value added. At least Bohdan was good for a laugh. At least CUR meant well. At least Fall down went away. This guy? He does nothing here, and I have no compunction about treating him unfairly, especially knowing that any effects won't ever last for more than 10 minutes. How you doin, BTW? P-Foster (talk) 03:25, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Fair enough I suppose. I would have to disagree with you that he adds nothing to the site - he is great fun to poke every now and again. He always takes the bait and it is amusing to see how many non sequiturs he can fit within every argument. In any case I don't think he does any long term damage to the place. I am doing pretty well these days, although I am looking for a job at the moment before I go finish my studies - I hate being unemployed! --DamoHi 03:37, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Bill - Hillary - Paul - Commie plot to kill insurgents! ħumanUser talk:Human 06:26, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Nothing of value? Hell, I bring institutional memory to project. And Human, what's wrong with this edit did [3] to mainspace? Wanna spell it out for the whole class? As I was saying elsewhere, when I edit mainspace, some mindless idiot is always right there to rv. nobsdon't bother me 06:41, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
Rob, you bring delusional memory to wherever you go. What was wrong with that edit? You tell me. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:08, 11 April 2011 (UTC)
This edit.
  • May 14 - Icewedge and PalMD coordinate vandal attacks.
Proposed alternative language:
- Icewedge and PalMD coordinate sockpuppetry. nobsdon't bother me 22:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

KaraDuhe1.jpg Rob, go keep yourself busy for 20 minutes or so, okay? P-Foster (talk) 22:46, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Nice blocks!!!! Gooniepunk2010 Oi! Oi! Oi! 23:55, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Please un-protect SusanG's talk page.[edit]

I want to add my thoughts and feelings to the "requiem" section, but alas curtesy of Nutty Roux's abuse of power I do not have sufficient rights. Please unlock the talk page. Tricksy (talk) 01:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

You're a sysop again. P-Foster (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh, okay. That'll work too! Thanks. Tricksy (talk) 01:43, 12 April 2011 (UTC)


Famous blue raincoat was her favourite, closely followed by Bird on the Wire. I don't know if she knew this one (of course she did) but I love it. --Scream!! (talk) 01:34, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Awesome. P-Foster (talk) 01:35, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Was there any good reason for deleting the "Einsteinian gravitation for poets"?[edit]

Hi P-Foster, even if you don't care about poets there seems to be no good reason for keeping also other mathematically challenged people without a chance of learning gravitation. Was it too difficult for you? Why didn't you ask just for lowering the level a bit so you could understand it too instead of deleting it completely. JimJast (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

There was an extensive discussion on the talk page of the essay. Blue (pester) 20:44, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
EC Why don't you start your own website for your own ideas instead of riding piggy-back on a project that you show no other interest in besides using it to publicize your own work? Nobody likes a free rider, chump. P-Foster (talk)


Check out the IP's block log. History of crap. Though, I suppose blocking for a day is irrelevant as the last time the IP edited was in July. – Nick Heer 03:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

that word doesn't mean what you think it means[edit]

[4] I mean, really, this is the 21st century. But, if you find it offensive, then I suppose I can refrain form its use on RW.--Brxbrx (talk) 04:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

That sort of thing is why political-correctness is such bullshit; as several of the commentators noted, words are just sound and fury, and it is the intent that matters.
On the other hand, there are far more accurate terms to use when describing the antics of a vandal or troll. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:42, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Intent and effect can each matter a great deal, depending on the situation. And in this case, the effect was the perception of a homophobic slur. Also, LX, what the fuck? Words don't matter? Blue (is useful) 04:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
No; if you are trying to say something, the specific words you use to get it across are of little consequence. Also, people cannot properly be held responsible for how certain oversensitive dingbats interpret their words, as opposed to things that they actually intended to say. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Brxbrx - This word is used to dehumanize a specific group of people. Which doesn't include you. You've never had it used on you as a weapon, so why does it fall to you to say 'this is fine to use now'? And Dan Savage's post there is not about 4chan/ED slang - it is, ironically, about the meaning of the word you are apparently denying, but in a non-pejorative context. Mei III (talk) 04:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Really? What does it mean then? Why would, say, "idiocy" not have been a completely suitable term in the situation? I'll tell you what. When that word ceases to be a prelude to beatings or worse, I'll withdraw my comment. Until then, try and be a little more creative. P-Foster (talk) 04:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Forgive me, in the context I'm used to using it, faggot does not refer to homosexuals. I can understand why the word evokes unpleasant emotions in some people, and I generally have a rule that forbids me from doing things around people that may be affected by such things (I like to see political correctness as a question of politeness, as opposed to politics); on occasion, however, I forget myself. I have no prejudice or hatred towards gays, in fact, my uncle is gay, and I happen to be quite fond of him and his boyfriend. So, excluding this post, I will no longer say faggot or any of its derived terms on rationalwiki, because I do not wish to offend.--Brxbrx (talk) 05:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I want to take both sides! Damn, can't win either way. "Freedom of speech - just be careful what you say." - Joe Strummer and Ice Tea. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Necessary Necromancy[edit]

I used capitals in the section title just for you :) Anyways, I found this, on Dan Savage's blog, and I think that it beautifully explains the point I was trying to make. Sort of. I mean, I was using "fag" in a derogatory fashion. But this video I found to be quite inspiring and heart-warming, as well as relevant to our spats over the use of the word here on RationalWiki.--User:Brxbrx/sig 20:22, 21 July 2011 (UTC)


Long shot - you didnt go to the University of Hull did you? No sir, I did not. P-Foster (talk) 19:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


As you shall be known as the guy who deleted WIGOCP, apparently I shall forever be know as, "that dick who deleted an article after 5 minutes" :( ТyTalk. 19:38, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Welcome to the club. Luckily, for a predominantly non-Christian bunch, the mob is remarkably forgiving. P-Foster (talk) 21:09, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
My mother always took the 490 thing literally. ТyTalk. 21:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

RE: the BON block[edit]

I blocked the guy for a day. It's no big deal. His article was deleted as "vandalism" anyways. Lighten up ploxx--Brxbrx (talk) 01:28, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

"The guy" is prolly JimJast -- he prolly forgot to log in , and posted the essay he was threatening to write as a BON instead of as himself. what good does blocking the BON do anyway? Unless it's persistent vandalism, try not to block folks who cannot block themselves. Also, ping-ponging conversations is a pain in the ass. Reply where people ask you something, they'll catch your answer. P-Foster (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
do you really need to unblock soemone when they're only blocked for FIVE MINUTES--Brxbrx (talk) 04:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Yup. P-Foster (talk) 04:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
so you block RobS for a day, no biggie, but when I block occasionaluse, there's awhole shit storm? This site's block policy is really starting to twist my scrotum...--Brxbrx (talk) 02:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I'm a Senior Admin. and Cracker started it, anyways. P-Foster (talk) 02:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
Yah cause Cracker don't want his RW 1.0 Archives leaked to Conservaleaks, either. This is bullshit. - nobs

Moving my WIGO question to the Saloon bar[edit] bad >.> Didn't even think to check it for any topic about the certificate. I shouldn't checking WIGO CP 5 minutes after I get up. Atreus (talk) 19:19, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Not a problem. WIGO for CP, Saloon Bar for real life. P-Foster (talk) 19:26, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

You know what you did[edit]

Lord Goonie Hooray! I'm helping! 14:31, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

LOVELOVELOVE!!!! P-Foster (talk) 14:51, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, seriously.[edit]

Oh and don't judge me, considering I am a foreign language teacher. Thanks. I just have no tolerance for people who think that they can just come to the US and spew their shit. Rationalize (talk) 03:25, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

You're a foreign language teacher who thinks it's okay to make fun of people for their accents. Awesome. Do you also give different tests to the boys and the girls? P-Foster (talk) 03:27, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
also, unless you're a Native American, at some point someone who ultimately produced you came here and spewed their shit. That's the way it works here. P-Foster (talk) 03:29, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Lmfao. That's all I can think honestly. Short answer: no and no. Stupidass, Jesus you really do judge a lot don't you? Rationalize (talk) 03:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
When people carelessly say things that make them look like bigots, yes I do. Why don't you come here and make fun of my accent. Should be good for a laugh. P-Foster (talk) 03:38, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Na, not careless. I just hate stupid people and I hate when people like you feel the urge to somehow be a superhero and save the day by calling people out with differing views. Really superman- you're not doing the world justice by bitching at me. I am all for immigration- but not stupid people. I just said the accent was annoying. So breathe deep and calm down Rationalize (talk) 03:55, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Also, I believe I am liberal enough and tolerant of all backgrounds/religions/sexes and I am a huge gay rights advocate. Rationalize (talk) 04:08, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Rationalize, I cannot locate what you are talking about, but mocking an accent is, to my mind, hitting a little below the belt; the s***-spewing is the part you should be focusing on. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
You make a good point. But will Orly Taitz change if we focus on the substance? For her, No. So therefore will it make a difference? No. So again, preaching to the choir. May have been hypocritical on my part, but it's annoying for an annoying person. Rationalize (talk) 04:32, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
in all fairness, her accent is annoying as hell. And I can't stop thinking that she might be a tranny. I think it's because of the wig. She's either a tranny or a cancer survivor. Shame on me either way for mocking her :)--brxbrx-brxbrx 04:38, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
Useless speech time. "Tranny" is a highly pejorative term in the LGBT community. It has been compared to the word "nigger" for black people in recent years, and is generally as bad as or worse than "fag." Just in case you're ever in a situation where you might have inadvertently pissed someone off, you may want to heed this... Blue (pester) 06:05, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
I do not personally find her accent annoying, but I suppose some would say I have been desensitized by spending a lot of time around people with foreign accents. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:45, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Why did you delete my article?[edit]

Why did you delete my article Theories of religions? It was not copied from Citizendium but from Conservapedia. I originally wrote it on Wikipedia. Andries (talk) 16:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

As I noted on the talk page of the now deleted page. Conservapedia has a non-free (at least non-copyleft) license. We cannot copy text from them directly and present it as our own. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 16:52, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I did not delete your article, as only sysops can do such a thing. That aside, it was identical to this article from Citizendium. P-Foster (talk) 17:06, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the crat thing[edit]

I'll have you know that I'm a complete techno-noob and don't know if I could do anything untoward with my cratship rights. But even if I could, I won't, because I understand there is a lot resting on whether I abuse them and I assure you I will not. Instead I will campaign for a libertarian blocking policy (This idea of arbitrarily blocking site dissidents is insane and it will not stand) So if the new mod position is going to be elected, I'm going to run, and I'm going to fight for a fair and old syle blocking police where site critics will have the protection of the law. This website will no longer resemble the interregnum between the death of Julius Caesar and the Emperorship of the God Augustus. Instead it will return to the Republic of the old days, replete with liberty, virtue, and manly dignity.

Thank you for taking a stand against the authoritarianism now prevalant on this site. I think we can beat the aspies if we try hard enough. MarcusCicero (talk) 21:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Seeing as I recall you calling me an aspie on moar than one occasion, I'm not sure how to take that last bit. I've tried to do my best to avoid the real nastiness that has pervaded the site the past couple of weeks; moreover, I'm in a real research/work crunch right now, away from home, and don't really have the time for the wiki for the next little while. But the community means a lot to me, and I'd hate to see it fall apart. I'm not sure if this whole mess is a new-guard-vs-old-guard thing, a question of needing to adjust to a big growth spurt, or the result of longstanding simmering tensions, but it sucks.
You can be a troll and a horrible a-hole when you feel like it, but at the end of the day I think you have a positive vision for what a diverse collection of smart free-thinkers with a good sense of humour could accomplish with a project such as this, and I respect you for at least that much. I'll be around a bit, and hopefully this place can live up to its potential. P-Foster (talk) 21:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
Good vision, P-Foster. It may be the only redeeming quality you have, but it's a good one. You still generally disgust me and still I vow that you will rue the various days on which you crossed me. Occasionaluse (talk) 21:25, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Mark Antony[edit]

You do realize that's an MC sock right? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:06, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

So am I. What's your point? P-Foster (talk) 04:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Wait, so we're all...? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Your actions are futile and contrary to both your stated principles and the will of the community[edit]

You must engage with my arguments or fall to their assault. Iullus (talk) 04:30, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I musn't do anything of the sort. how's your brother? --P-Foster (talk) 04:41, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Fun with Foucault[edit]

Have you tried Order of Things? You also need to check out Nikolas Rose. Do it naough!!! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 20:21, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


How come you decratted me? I never did anything untoward with it. MarcusCicero (talk) 22:28, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

1. To fuck with you, as always. 2. Cratting you was not really a popular decision decision with quite a few folks, I think. 3. there's going to be a revamping of user rights anyways, so the point is moot. 4. Did I mention fucking with you? 5. You weren't using the powers anyways. 6. Too much suspected trollery/sockpuppetry going on around here. P-Foster (talk) 22:33, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I had a big post lined up but some idiot decided to block me to prove a point. Fact is that Mark Antony is in fact an establishment member (Probably EddyP) who wants to make the troll question front and forward the biggest issue in RW 3.0 (Basically when Trent introduces the draconian new powers he will issue by fiat) I never abused the crat powers you granted me and I think you shouldn't have caved into the pressure of the authoritarian faction which threatens to become the ascendant one on this website. MarcusCicero (talk) 22:39, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
So, do you make edits like this because I took away your cratship, or did I take away your cratship because you make edits like that? It's so hard to tell these days. P-Foster (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm like that angry pyschotic drunkard who is barred from every pub in town and who randomly assaults people down dark alleyways. Society couldn't function without such variable extremities of vice. (In order to unite it, to create a pariah figure etc. etc.) Admit it, you enjoy the social and pyschological experiment almost as much as I do. MarcusCicero (talk) 23:55, 23 May 2011 (UTC)


Don't fuck around with Ambien. It is a fucking terrible drug with some fairly obscene side effects. Ace of Spades 03:22, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Bulllshit. I feel great. GREAT. Bidg grin on my faxe, the kyes on my computer are ancing, and the stock market report idss fassscccinating.this is great. 03:27, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Check your email. Ace of Spades 03:32, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
So, you are alive...right? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
I am. And very well-rested. There are reports in the paper this morning of a man breaking into the zoo and raping a gnu, but I wouldn't take those too seriously. P-Foster (talk) 22:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
But what about the llamas? You llama fucker! I know you fucked the llamas! Nutty Rouxnever mind 23:43, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
All right, as long as no goats were harmed. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 15:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Feel that?[edit]

Can you feel that sloppy slap slapping against you cheek plus the vague smell of fetid decay? It is because I have astrally projected my cock into your face. Take it bitch. Yeah. Ace of Spades 01:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, hey Ace. By the way: Fuck you, and anybody who looks like you for that dirty text message you sent me at 4 fuckin' 30 in the morning (Time zones, buddy. Read up on them, they're fascinating.) Mrs. Foster, who is a very light sleeper, was very eager to discuss the contents of said message. "Seriously, honey, it's Ace. You know, Ace..from the internet." Luckily, the couch is pretty comfy. P-Foster (talk) 01:59, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Mrs Foster? I thought you were gay. Or maybe I'm thinking of another RationalWikian...--User:Brxbrx/sig 02:04, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Nope, not gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.... P-Foster (talk) 02:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
next time I'll astrally project my tongue into her ass. Ho ho ho. Ace of Spades 02:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
...which, funnily enough, brings me to the last time I was sent to the couch. Heh, heh, heh....P-Foster (talk) 02:12, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
"It's Ace...from the internet" is an explanation that will get you out of anything. DickTurpis (talk) 02:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
My posts excluded, this thread is really funny. --User:Brxbrx/sig 03:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)


*cough* "This includes IP addresses, and even where an IP address is volunteered, discussion of the user's geographical location, place of employment, or other private information based on their IP address (even if publicly available) is frowned upon. " ТySerious Business Guy 02:54, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind. Cheers! ТyYes? 02:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Relevant points bolded:

  • Hide revision text — Checking this hides whatever changes were made.
  • Hide edit comment — Obviously, checking this hides whatever the edit summary was. Only use this if the edit summary also contains inappropriate information.
  • Hide editor's username/IP — Checking this hides the username or IP address of the person who made the edit. This is usually not necessary, and will hide the edit from the user's contributions page.

Also, you don't need to hide Ty's edit, since that revision does not contain Markedc's comment. -- Nx / talk 06:24, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Writers block[edit]

Instead of banhammering, write an essay! It doesn't have to be any good, like this shit! Perfect solution eh? How bout one on the macroeconomic theory of Sir Elton John and the incubus of the pecksniffian?--Colonel Sanders (talk) 03:51, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

If I could write an essay, I should probably write the fuckin' essay that my fuckin' committee member wants in his fuckin' e-mail fuckin' yesterday. P-Foster (talk) 03:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Trouble with the thesis? Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:52, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Comps, actually. Trying to think about the long history of resistance in the West Indies P-Foster (talk) 15:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Irony! Someone ordered you to write an essay that requires you to look into hundreds of years of colonialism that only lost its grip on the political self-determination of natives and former slaves, subalterns at the center of violent struggle between some of the most powerful militaries on Earth, in the 20th Century. Nutty Rouxnever mind 15:39, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
....or, more to the point, how historians have addressed all that, with an emphasis on the way that people have talked about the idea that it never "lost its grip," it only changed forms. P-Foster (talk) 16:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Smoke a post-colonial historiographic joint instead. Nutty Rouxnever mind 19:03, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

sorry about that[edit]

I was only trying to get the code for a sub-page.Civic Cat (talk) 17:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

you can get the wiki source without actually restoring it. Just click on one of the revisions, and you'll betaken straight to it.--User:Brxbrx/sig 17:13, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Just did. Sorry about the 30 sec delay, I was busy logging on to Ameriwiki.  :-D  Civic Cat (talk) 17:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Block 2[edit]

It may have been a mistake to block this user, I think he was new to wikis and was just experimenting. It may be better in such cases to warn the user and block only if behaviour persists. Blocking users may put them off editing wikis and put them off our aims and ideals. I've made mistakes like that too but I hope I've learnt better. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Proxima, are you serious? Look at the diff. I know you haven't been around much lately, but someone has been doing that exact same stunt on archived pages, often, for months now. Unblock if you want, it really doesn't matter, but it's trollery, pure and simple. P-Foster (talk) 18:20, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
(ec) No, it's a spambot/vandalbot that's been targeting us lately. It reappeared the moment I disabled captchas (we had to enable them for all anon edits because of this), and now that I've reenabled them it's gone again. -- Nx / talk 18:21, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
(ec)I remember the olden days when P-Foster would come and complain to me about my harsh blocks... --User:Brxbrx/sig 18:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
You don't remember no olden days, newfag. ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:27, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
It's different. I'm a respected senior admin. You're a noob.P-Foster (talk) 18:25, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
I know. You've told me before. On this very talk page IIRC. I'm just being a nuisance.--User:Brxbrx/sig 18:26, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
If there has been repeat vandalism of a similar type that block was justified, sorry. Still I feel we need to be careful not to discourage people who aren't used to wikis and make experiments that they don't see as vandalism. I know I've made that mistake and it's best to stop doing it. Proxima Centauri (talk) 09:55, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

What I sometimes do at Liberapedia is to develop an article that has been vandalised by vandals that know how to evade a block. Showing them that vandalism just makes whatever they don't like get bigger is usually a deterrent. Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:31, 20 June 2011 (UTC)


Can you check the latest update to the Isreal page? I'm not that up on isreal, but i do believe that arabs are NOT given teh right to vote, correct? ty--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

See here. Aboriginal Noise Theist, barely hanging by a nail 20:49, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. that's why i'm usually reluctant to change things on any page i'm not well read in. There's so much "i think this is like this" to today's political world, that i never know really where my facts come from. ie: facebook, the "media" (for what that's worth) or some valid source like a listing of the laws. --Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 21:03, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Likewise. I always try to find a "reliable" source before I patrol an edit to make sure our collective legs aren't being pulled. But this is a case where we (or whomever made that edit stating they couldn't vote) were mistaken. Aboriginal Noise Theist, barely hanging by a nail 21:26, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. P-Foster (talk) 02:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

I forgot to add a topic[edit]

Thank you. I endeavor to please. Perhaps I can riffle through my father's stack of conspiracy literature to see if there's anything this wiki is lacking documentation on. Abadidea (talk) 03:45, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


In Argentina, they are notorious to eat lots and lots of meat. You said if the world ate as much meat as the USA there would be environmental problems, or something like that. I dispute that, and wanted to mention that Argentinians eat lots of meat, especially red meat. I heard, however, that stomach cancer is higher there for that reason, but I am not sure. RatMaster háblame 12:11, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

1. Is that universally the case in Argentina -- do the peasants eat as much meat as people who live in the city? do the poor eat as much meat as the rich? 2. I didn't say "the USA." I said "America." Argentina is in America. 3. Argentina isn't that big of a country. If India or China or sub-Saharan Africa were to start eating as much meat as Americans, it would be unsustainable. In short, I give your counter-argument a D-. P-Foster (talk) 12:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Eating meat in Argentina is a cultural thing, not a social class thing. And the way you used America implied the USA. RatMaster háblame 16:32, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
It did to you, maybe. My argument still stands. P-Foster (talk) 16:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)


Thank you, but i edit conflicted on the very sperm comments. ;-) i'm like, "wait, they were here just a second ago". --Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 21:21, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. P-Foster (talk) 21:22, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

You Returned My Ops![edit]

Aren't you lovely? :) MtDPinko Scum 03:09, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

I am fucking lovely, son. not a problem. P-Foster (talk) 03:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandal bin vs. block[edit]

The vandal bin did not work in stopping Aswh1, which was why he was blocked. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

He kept using his few remaining edits to vandalize pages. Some of it was regularly overlooked, and it got extremely tedious to check all of his contributions for ones that hadn't been reverted yet. If a user does nothing but vandalize, and literally all of his contributions have to be manually reverted, might as well block him indefinitely. Röstigraben (talk) 05:22, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
EC -- ListenerX -- Did it "not work" in terms of he found a way to circumvent the editing rate, or did it "not work" in terms of somehow with our vast number of sysops it was impossible to undo a single silly edit every 1/2 hour or so? Rostrigraben, what you are proposing is a radical change to our site's standards. We've typically reverted wandalism and binned the offender. P-Foster (talk) 05:27, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
As I said, it did not work in that some of his edits kept getting overlooked, and they were all idiotic vandalism. I agree that the bin ususally works, but this one was persistent and used his few editing opportunities not to appeal the bin, but just to insert more of his crap. What good is it having someone around who keeps vandalizing pages, never makes any serious comment or edit, and has everything they do reverted on sight anyway, just so we can say "oh, we don't issue indefinite blocks!" Does that make any sense? Röstigraben (talk) 05:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
(EC) The intended purpose of the bin is to deter vandals by making quick sprees impossible. If a binned user continues to vandalize, the bin is not functioning as intended. Also, the bin is made somewhat redundant by the extension allowing users to edit their own talk-pages.
As to the length of the block, three months is fine. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:39, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
If it's just about avoiding indefinite blocks (instead of not blocking vandals at all), I'd also be fine with simply reinstating the three-month one. If he comes back to vandalize again, just hit him with another. Röstigraben (talk) 05:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
The community standards would seem to favour replacing "months" with "hours." I suggest opening up the discussion to the community at large in a more appropriate forum. P-Foster (talk) 05:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I suggest re-instating the previous three-month block, which was unilaterally removed. If we find it necessary to coop a vandal who does not even bother to protest being binned and/or blocked, we should wait until the moderators are installed. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 06:10, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
(EC)A block of a few hours would be the functional equivalent of the vandal brake, that won't stop someone who's as persistent as this guy. But you're right that this would entail changing the standards, so I'll open a discussion there. Röstigraben (talk) 06:12, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Was Aswh1's block in May not discussed? Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 06:18, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
No, sorry - I read just now that I was supposed to do that. So what do we do, simply open a coop case and get confirmation for a long-term block? Röstigraben (talk) 06:33, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes; by all means let the vandal be cooped. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 06:38, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Nag Hammadi[edit]

I just made some changes to Nag Hammadi texts. Your writing style is much more clear than mine. would you mind looking it over for clarity (and anything else you want). thanks.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 17:11, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Next break from this unbelievably convoluted paper I'm working on. P-Foster (talk) 17:14, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
Oh, any time... what are you writing?--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC)


That's when his mom will let him use her computer next.--User:Brxbrx/sig 13:57, 3 July 2011 (UTC)


I don't think they're a spambot, looks more like a n00b trying to get his new website some attention. It's borderline spam, so I haven't restored the forum page, but the 3 month block was way too much. If they keep spamming their website and add nothing of value to the wiki, then block them. -- Nx / talk 20:05, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes sir. Since you seem to be in telling-me-what-to-do-without-a-please-or-thank-you mode, shall I submit a writing plan, too? P-Foster (talk) 20:07, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
What's your problem? -- Nx / talk 20:08, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

homeschooling page edits[edit]

am respectfully requesting assistance with what were the constitutional and pro/con sections of the homeschooling article. still looking to lock down the ROEs here while making a positive contribution.— Unsigned, by: Jigsaw674 / talk / contribs

Congratulations on your election to moderator[edit]

You were one of the seven elected moderators, the results can be found at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Results. I will be changing your user rights shortly to reflect your new position. Tmtoulouse (talk) 23:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Trent. I will do my best to do right by the wiki. P-Foster (talk) 23:24, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Hah! do right by the wookie? What's that flea bag ever done for you? wait...wIki... i see. ;-)--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 21:27, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
So when do we get to moderate some shit? Ace of Spades 21:40, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Here. ADK...I'll deport your nob! 21:43, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll moderate you in second. Ace of Spades 21:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
I swear to god I'm gunna moderate you so hard. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 22:26, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Master, I slavishy beg your attention for just a moment[edit]

Thanks for the relatively nice things you said about me. I seem to have concocted some kind of jailbreak for now; don't worry, the nerds will be all over me like a rash any minute now, outdoing each other to look increasingly wide eyed and reactionary. HAIL TO THE GLORIOUS NEW MODERATOR OF RATIONALWIKI, FOR HE IS WISE AND JUST. MarcusCicero (talk) 21:25, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the comment[edit]

Thanks for the comment (on the Weston Price article I assume). The main reason I created the article is because the way the material is handled on the skeptic side of the fence is totally horrid. Instead of using relevant points (the apparent acceptance of no evidence for focal infection theory in 1939 and the particular nutritional nature of 1920s and 1930s food) we get claims made about the man's work that are as untrue as the stuff that uses (or rather misuses) his work.--BruceGrubb (talk) 16:01, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I gotta go with human, a bit here, Bruce, that as written our article is still a mess. I've no idea who this guy is, or really what is the problem from teh actual article. i got most of it from the talk page. hope you do get a chance to really make it useful as you see it. :-)--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 16:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
I just did a sizable overhaul of the article as well as an insane info dump on the talk page. It still needs some work but it should be a little clearer as to what is going on.--BruceGrubb (talk) 18:09, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

going back several edits[edit]

I noticed you reverted changes on deadliest warrior. how do you go back several posts at once like you did? I know how to undo, but only one "saved" change at a time.--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:22, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Go back through the history to the one you like, go to the edit tab. it'll tell you you're editing an out-of-date version, which is what you want. Don't change anything, hit save, and voila -- you undo as many edits in the history as have happened since the last good one. P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 20:27, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Cool. and do you know what teh difference between "undo" and "rollback" are, and if one is prefered over the other (assuming, for example, one keeps a different set of meta data).--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:29, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
With rollback, you don't have to save, and the previous edit disappears from RC -- I think that's the big diff.P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 20:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Rollback is just a quicker way of undoing all the last edits of the same user. You can't supply a reason though, so it's best to only use it when reverting obvious vandalism. What P-Foster is referring to (disappearing from RC) is bot rollback, which marks the reverted edits and the reversion itself as bot edits, hiding them from RC (unless you click show bot edits). It's perfect against attention-whoring wandalism and trolling. -- Nx / talk 20:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I generally just used undo, but i see why a bot rollback would be excellent for people who love seeing the damage they do and having it "noticed" with a round of undos.--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

That Coyote[edit]

purty kittah. --Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 16:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That Coyote. That One. I love him to bits -- he's the most personable cat I've ever had. he does tricks. P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 16:04, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Just making something clear[edit]

There would have been no dispute in the first place had Pys not provoked the thing in the first place. He is a first class drama whore. Hope you can be impartial and fair minded in this and not automatically take the place of the whiny nutjob who promises to leave and never come back once every couple of months. (talk) 14:05, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Please discuss dispute moderation in the appropriate place. Posting here and on Pi's page is a great way to make the process spin out of control. P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 14:07, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but this is a load of bollix. Ultimate power has been concentrated in a council of seven as opposed to the masses as a whole. At least when the masses where involved, a few good men could honestly make a stand. Now, depending on your collective moods, you will decide to do away with me for essentially doing nothing wrong (Other than being provoked by a high falluting little twit with a heavy authoritarian streak).
And how the fuck am I supposed to post in that place? My main account has been blocked, remember? (talk) 14:10, 9 July 2011 (UTC)
It has been unblocked. Please make all further comments in the appropriate place. - π Moderator 14:11, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

You'll regret this[edit]

I did pretty well down at the bowling alley despite my noticible lack of balance and depth perception. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 02:49, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

speaking of psychotropic drugs, have you seen this? P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 02:55, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Ta Missus[edit]

BTW, I call the last four years worth it now that the NJ Star Ledger has basically just followed our Andrew Schlafly page as a model and source for their article. Thanks for the support back when we created it in keeping it sourced and snark-free - that's a real vindication. DogP (talk) 23:53, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Do we have any evidence that that is the case? I don't believe we were cited.--User:Brxbrx/sig 00:07, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
We weren't cited, but just do a comparison and you'll see where most of the Conservapedia research comes from. Plus, look at the article. It's absurd to question logic, so you are clearly a liberal. DogP (talk) 06:35, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
While it would be nice and all, i'm not convinced RW was needed to find those particular "faults" in andy's page. I've seen the exact same commentary around the net, not just here. Andy's little Linskey affair brought serious attention and concern to / about his page. but it is good that our andy article is snark free, in case that is where the author got their info. i find it hard to believe they would not source "us", though, if they really did use it--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 15:26, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Ken blocker[edit]

Here you go, just paste in Greasemonkey. Only works (for me anyway) if you're logged out of CP and on 50 views. (function(){ var tagselect, subselect, currently, checker, check; tagselect = document.getElementById("bodyContent"); subselect = document.evaluate("./ul[@class='special']/li", tagselect, null, XPathResult.UNORDERED_NODE_SNAPSHOT_TYPE, null); for (var i = 0; i < subselect.snapshotLength; i++) { currently=subselect.snapshotItem(i); check = document.evaluate("./a[@title='User:Conservative']", currently, null, XPathResult.ANY_TYPE, null); checker = check.iterateNext(); if (checker) { currently.parentNode.removeChild(currently); } } })(); --PsyGremlinSiarad! 15:06, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Use the text as it appears when you edit this section. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 15:08, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Many thanks! P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 15:14, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

pardone me, but...[edit]

Why the f is everyone so hyper sensitive, hyper "knee jerk" reactive around here? Is this new, and a result of the chicken with the head cut off mentality you all talked about? or is it longer brewing?--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 18:57, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Someone should get the funding for an ethnography of this community and figure that out? My guess? We're all really smart, kinda awkward, anti-authoritarian, and there are no hard guidelines to shape a common set of ideas about conduct. It's a great mix for creating unresolved tensions. P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 18:59, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

thanks P-Foster[edit]

thanks for restoring my sysopship, i didnt even know i lost it. heh heh. LordSlug 誇らしげに2008年からソファの上に手の平 03:01, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Everyone did, in a big HCM a while back. Nothing personal. P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 03:05, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Does this mean I lost mine too? I couldn't see that in the user rights log. Maybe it was done with some other more magical tool. Tricksy (talk) 03:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


You don't need to hide the edit comment unless it contains inappropriate information. More importantly, you should only hide the username/IP if the username/IP needs hiding, otherwise it's counter-productive, since it removes the edit from the user's contributions page. Also, since everyone and their dog is a sysop, merely deleting a revision doesn't really help. You are a moderator, so you can hide the revision from sysops, so that only moderators can see it. This is recorded in the suppression log, which doesn't show up on recent changes, so you should first delete the revision without ticking the "suppress data from administrators" box, then tick the box and click apply again. -- Nx / talk 20:46, 13 July 2011 (UTC)


Can you still rename people funny things? Тysic semper 23:39, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I was always a fan of that, but since only mods can do it, it might look like an abuse of power. If someone has a name that's SERIOUSLY objectionable, lemme know. If it's just to be cute, I'd rather not. P-FosterThe Grateful Dead were neither grateful nor dead. Discuss.Moderator 23:42, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I'll let you know. I also think I found you on google+. My brain isn't working linearly today. Oh well. ТyYes? 23:44, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
You did. I'm not really using it. Also, the name really threw me -- if your pic wasn't attached, I'd have had no idea who you are. You can add me on FB with that e-mail, though...P-FosterThe Grateful Dead were neither grateful nor dead. Discuss.Moderator 23:46, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I don't have a facebook. :< ТySerious Business Guy 23:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Well, you're a mod. Start a discussion about it. Do it for the most egregious of trolls and vandals. I'm thinking instead of MarcusCicero we could have MarthaSissy. It would be somewhat entertaining--User:Brxbrx/sig 19:49, 16 July 2011 (UTC)