User talk:TheDarkMaster2

Your welcome to RationalWiki is lukewarm at best, TheDarkMaster2. This observation is due to the nature of your initial edits. Pull up a goat and try not to make trouble. We realize it is possible that you do not understand the nature of the site or our objectives. Please see our guide for newcomers and our community standards to clarify things for you. If you're still interested in contributing, please see what our articles are intended to be.

I don't think anyone here really likes your comments (though that's not enough reason for getting banned in case you're wondering) and your edit to ikanreed's user page is completely out of line and mucking around with User:Penguinjoy0's draft space. Don't let me catch you mucking with userspace again. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:50, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

I understand that criticism isn't liked around here, especially when it's rightwing TheDarkMaster2

'that's not enough reason for getting banned" not always true, GrammarCommie for instance... and then there's the issue of transcluding the wrong template anyway 27.32.146.237 (talk) 11:47, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

What about me BoN? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:36, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

Criticism can be sucky. Don't assume calling your arguments "criticism" automatically means your comments are legitimate or well thought-out. That unwelcome template is not incorrectly transcluded; it's there because this users comments suck, but also the user displayed incompetence by interfering with userspace and constantly not signing comments properly. You sign with ~, four of em, at the end of the comments. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:51, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

You used {{Instead of that thing my computer doesn't have a key for also your userface sucks TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 13:12, 28 October 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2

That's because ~~~~ (it's called a "tilde" and every keyboard should have it) generates {{User:LeftyGreenMario/sig}} as indicated in my user preferences, and it's better than having a dump of raw coding of custom signatures all over the place, if that's what you referring to by "{{". Don't attempt to lecture me that I'm doing it wrong while also taking a jab at my "userface" (whatever that is), you just look silly. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:14, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario I think (although this is really just a guess) they meant "interface" and were talking about RationalWiki generally, not you. CowHouse (talk) 04:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

In addition, there’s a handy dandy sign button in the line above the editing window. It’s third from the left after the bold (“B”) and italics (“I”) buttons and depicts a pencil signing, and now I’ll use it. --ScepticWombat (talk) 05:03, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Moved from the user page

This link exists now. I've now made it. Hit me up, I usually make this link myself for my own username.

Normally, if you're nice and have smart things to say, you get welcomed. I don't think that's especially necessary, but you'll have to accept the fact that it ain't comin your way. It's formal, and it's sweet, and it's not yours.

So here's yours, because I see a lot of my dumbass little kid self in you. You exist, here too, you ass. I see you, even if I don't think you believe what you say. Even if I think you believe in the results of what you say more than what you say.

I'm gonna welcome you, because you have made a real impact by your asshattery. I can appreciate that, as a human. Your arguments are trash.

Welcome, asshat. By my standards, you are welcome to don the ass hat of dishonor, you fucking moron. Please clean your language up to standard.

Sorry, forgot to tag, this is a major edit Gol Sarnitt (talk) 07:23, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

You talk of bad language, yet use the word "ass"TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2

Explain to me this

You and an IP that is defending you have very similar posting habits. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:02, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I have no idea what you are talking aboutTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 14:01, 7 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2

You and the IP both seem to be from Mississippi. Cosmikdebris (talk) 16:13, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Bad comeback. Now, fess up and explain to me why you're sockpuppeting under IPs to try to appear you have outsiders agreeing with you, or are you gonna hide under another IP and call me a "cunt" again? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 17:27, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I saw (one of) the IP posts, and thought it was you not having signed in. As the saying goes 'if it looks like a duck...' Anna Livia (talk) 19:16, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

...it's a reptilian alien masquerading as a duck? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 19:28, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Possibly that as well (and even this/and this). Anna Livia (talk) 19:41, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm betting crocoduck. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:47, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

I like have no idea about who these people are, you shouldn't believe in conspiracies. It's not very rationalTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 23:42, 7 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2

@LeftyGreenMario I'm afraid I'm gonna have to alert the rest of the community to your failings here. I know it'll probably result in a permablock, and that saddens me, but you knew the rules. The moment anyone accuses you of being irrational, you're no longer welcome on Rationalwiki. That's just how it goes. I'm sorry it had to come to this. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 01:00, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini Are you a wiki? No? You're getting the boot, too. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:19, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

The RW conspiracy is that it also contains Irrationalwiki (not to be confused with Uncyclopedia or 'the other place)' - as with Besźel and Ul Qoma.

Do not confuse Bioduck with Geoduck. Anna Livia (talk) 11:48, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

This whole section is Lies and cancerTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 01:28, 10 November 2018 (UTC)TheDarkMaster2

Bioduck, geoduck, the concept of the crocoduck, 'if it looks like a duck (rest of phrase omitted)', 'the other place', the book/TV series referenced and Uncyclopedia exist, while Irrationalpedia is a theoretical construct. Therefore your last remark is wrong. Anna Livia (talk) 23:09, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

So how did this all turn out?Doublethink (talk) 21:08, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

That sockpuppeting is not against the rules, unless its for ban evasion or vote rigging. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 21:11, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I never did it but I what I have done is improve an article that you left to languish PaleoceneTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

TheDarkMaster2

I'm just curious why you're repeatedly imploring people to write an RW article about you. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 02:20, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

I filled in the red link for the time being because I'm allergic to badly-formatted signatures. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:49, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

i'ms signing it the way it's supposed to be right?TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 12:55, 9 November 2018 (UTC)TheDakMaster2

Heh, funny. So who is TheDakMaster2 and why should they have a mainspace article written about them? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

~~~~ after your comment is done. No more, no less, and especially no more of that TheDuckMaster2 nonsense you're adding after that signature. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:15, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

New Direction

I love animals and I am done talking to you people. You are too blind by your ideology to help. Hopefully you'll come see the light one day. I'll be fixing woeful stubs like The Paleocene KT extinction and others. Hopefully they won't be undone by people with a vendetta with meTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 15:17, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

A small thing, but it'll make your edits look nicer: To link to wikipedia in an external link or a reference, type "{{wpa|Apteribis|}}" to produce "See the Wikipedia article on Apteribis.". Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:45, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Other than my little fyi there, your recent edits seem to be good. Keep it up! Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks and Just curious but considering that there's a Paleocene page, shouldn't there be one for every period?TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, probably. Feel free to create them; it's just one of the many gaps this wiki has. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:52, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

How do you make an article?TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

And maybe improve your capitalization too for goodness sake. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:58, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I also think your attitude is still completely shit, you're always distorting your opponent's positions in order to make their arguments look ludicrous and you have a terrible habit of relying on personal attacks, even if you didn't actually read the edit yourself. You have bad faith in other editors, and that's a reason that despite your improving edits on mainspace, makes me firmly believe you still should be stuck in the bin. Change that attitude to something less demeaning and patronizing to other editors in talk pages (and on top of that you believing that calling another user a "cunt" or any variation is acceptable), stop giving other editors a hard time for their edits (or lack of thereof) that are actually misunderstood, and MAYBE I'll consider dropping you out of the bin. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C)

I'm not apologizing for my opinions if that's what you want. The problem I have with the Vandle bin makes it harder to rectify simple stuff like sighed stuff. Your not the only person who can remove meTheDarkMaster2 (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Also, it's generally not a good idea to necro (i.e. revive) old discussions with personal commentary, especially not in the middle of a thread. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:14, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

I'm not asking you to apologize for your opinions. I'm asking you to stop acting like a complete jerk towards other people and their positions of opinions, which is why you got binned. It's true that others can parole you, but the fact that no one has cared enough to do so shows you how much of a terrible first impression you yourself gave us. Maybe think of the consequences behind the words you say to other people and this wouldn't have happened to you. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 20:32, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Cambrian

Your page on the Cambrian was no better than what was there before in 2014,[1] consequently I have moved your page into Draftspace: Draft:Cambrian. You are welcome to work on it there and improve it before moving it back into Mainspace. Bongolian (talk) 00:46, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Your writing is fine but please note that citations go after the punctuation, and you need to check for missing punctuation and spaces. I have also noticed you generally don't use a space before your signature. — Dysk (contribs) 16:17, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Sock

Since your banned you won't see this but. Why did you try and make a sock while rational wiki has your IP?Doublethink (talk) 17:24, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

For goodness sake. That is all wrong. TheDarkMaster2 is temporarily blocked, not banned. He even still has talkpage access and could reply here. Blocked users (even banned users) can still read the site so it's not like he wouldn't see it. And RationalWiki doesn't have checkusers so doesn't "have his IP". While the server itself will obviously have collected his IP, getting it out of the logs would require server access and be insanely complicated. — Dysk (contribs) 13:42, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I fucking done with talk pages and this sock crap. I'vwe never made a sock account you delete this thread or else. You are left wing retards and I'm done DONE! TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 14:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Welp just gotta wait for the unwarranted suspension to run out before I can make the Ordovician page TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 15:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Actually I revoked your suspension an hour ago. Have fun. — Dysk (contribs) 15:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

You shouldn't be blanking talk page comments unless it's spam or harassment, @TheDarkMaster2 & @Dysklyver. Bongolian (talk) 19:08, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Sry, kinda stuck in Wikipedia talk page rules a lot of the time. — Dysk (contribs) 19:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

The thing is @Bongolian this claim of sock accounts is utter bullshit if GrammerCommie can threaten to block me and then undo my edits on his talk page. Can't I get rid of stuff too? Considering that I am getting rid of false claims while Commie was avoiding criticism for his Anit-GG bs? TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 19:46, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

It is better that you keep these comments here so that others can evaluate them on their merits, if any. You are welcome to refute them here as well. You can also set up an archive on your talk page so that they don't sit around here forever (see: User:Archiver). Bongolian (talk) 19:55, 29 November 2018 (UTC) Also, @GrammarCommie shouldn't be doing it either. I don't know if that's the case. Bongolian (talk) 19:57, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I also have an anti-pedophilia bias, an anti-rape bias, and an anti-murder bias. Want to try to criticize them? Further, to which exact edits are you referring? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 19:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

You got butt hurt when I called you out for supporting WSJ taking money from kids with cancer. Also don't compare Gamer Gate to rape, pedophilia, and Murder. Those are crimes and it's a dishonest comparison. Did someone from Gamer gate rape Anita Snarkesian? Did someone rape her as a child via time machine? Did they murder her? Or are they just some consumers criticizing a shitty game blogger?I know you oppose ethics considering you believe in open borders TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 23:10, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Again, which edits? Or are you shooting your mouth off again? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 00:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@GrammerCommie Here is a quote by you,"Edit my talkpage again and I will perma-ban your account and your IPs" Even though I only have one account and All I was commenting was that you didn't like me calling you out for deleting a thread that was literally about ethic in journalism. You claim Gamer Gate was never about ethics in journalism but it was about "harassing wuman" Because as we all know you can't possibly criticize women that's sexist. But this was a case where Wall Street Journal released an article which caused a hospital to refund donations just because it was provided by the Ralp Retort If you think that's good then no offense but to quote your self that makes you a INCESTUOUS OFFSPRING OF A WHORE AND A BASTARD TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

"The thing is @Bongolian this claim of sock accounts is utter bullshit if GrammerCommie can threaten to block me and then undo my edits on his talk page." So, are you saying that that IP was you? Because I only addressed that IP (and any accounts/IPs that they were using/might use). ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:54, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

TheDarkMaster2 I have a question, what are your opinions on third wave feminism, the assertion that the US is a patriarchy, and that the wage gap is real?Doublethink (talk) 01:51, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Doublethink "Such things do not exist, they're all lies." Honestly, it's sad that I can answer for you people and get equal or better results. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 01:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Hey Commie, I was asking TheDarkMaster2. Also what if he does say that. Is that false? (You never responded to me on the patriarchy debate) ^{— Unsigned, by: Doublethink / talk / contribs}

@Doublethink I would hope that you realize that I engage in other activities beyond editing this wiki. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:11, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I know but you did come at me.Doublethink (talk) 02:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Doublethink "I know but you did come at me." Elaborate. Are you implying that I engaged in threatening behavior? Are you stating that I engaged in the act of moving forward in your direction? Or perchance are you trying to say that I engaged in discussion with you? Vague statements, questions, or assertions do nothing for conversations other than digress the point. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok, what I am trying to say is that you engaged ME in debate. Then stopped responding.Doublethink (talk) 03:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Doublethink And as I explained, I have other commitments outside of this wiki, as likely do you, as likely does TheDarkMaster2. I may not be on every hour of every day, or may only have enough time between other commitments to briefly go through the recent changes log and revert vandalism/trolling, or perhaps to make a comment in the saloon bar. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Ok then, that wasn't a dig at you (or inferring that you ran away) I was just checking to see if you would respond.Doublethink (talk) 03:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

To answer @Douclethink I don't support third wave feminism. I support Egalitarianism. Like answer me this what good has this third wave done? At least the first two did something. All this wave did was slander a Movement for ethics in journalism and cry about a non existent wage gap. The Wage Gap is utter bullshit because it takes the wages of ALL women and Compares it to ALL men completely disregarding mitigating factors that would bring the wage gap to like a few cents. And the US is not a Patriarchy anymore just like systemic racism isn't really a thing anymore TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 12:12, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

So what should be done to mitigate the factors that give rise to a Wage Gap in the raw data? Should men be given more opportunities to work part time (rather than having to work all the hours the company gives them)?

If 'most of the people at the top of the pile' are white men rather than a mixture of all ethnicities and all genders that fluctuates over time (as is likely to happen if "equality" is the norm) what do you see as the reasons and what remedies do you promote? Anna Livia (talk) 12:29, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Well Paid maternity leave oh wait that's already a thing. Honestly I don't know. But like it'e not "equality" To have a fluctuating ethic or gender diversity. Like that's equity and affirmative action. You gotta realize in a free world there are gonna be better people than others, why the fuck do you think Ethnic Jews, Asians, and Whites own a lot of the big companies they just earned them. Also It's probably due to population Like how in Africa a lot of the local businesses are black and not white. I don't really have answers to this but I don't think #Yesallmen is the answer. TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 12:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

'Earned' them, and do you mean 'equity' or 'equality'?

Equality has little to do directly with affirmative action - and will involve the usual statistical fluctuations. I was making a generalisation about the US as it was part of the immediately previous discussion.

And, as has been said in various contexts, using 'what are considered to be swearwords and words that cause annoyance' excessively can detract from the argument/cause people to devalue the case being made - as does bad spelling. (And no, I am not impressed by 'a load of such words' in response.) Anna Livia (talk) 13:14, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

"I'm not an Feminist, I'm an egalitarian." Thank you, for acting in a manner that is so predictable as to be laughable. Next your going to tell me that you can't be sexist because you have female friends. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 13:24, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

How often does 'I'm not an X, but...' mean you are, 'I'm not an X, I am an egalitarian' mean you are neither? Anna Livia (talk) 15:27, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

See this is what I mean egalitarianism INCLUDES Feminism. But that's not good enough for you people. You demand that everyone follows lock and step Fuck That. Also dipshit @GrammerCommie When someone says their not X they're usually Not X your the one putting shit on their doorstep, TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 17:29, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

"I'm not an Feminist, I'm an egalitarian."

"Also what is problematic about one's words They're Words. Words are words." --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:53, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

if the best argument you have is misrepresenting what I said then you might as well delete this topic. You are a lying cancerous wart of a human being with not a single iota of your beloved "tolerance" if it's of a political position right of center. FUCK You you female reproductive organ. That's the PC way of saying it). TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 16:50, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Try not to be such a prick, @TheDarkMaster2. Bongolian (talk) 20:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking me for responding to a person on my own darn talk page. She came to me to start shit because she has a bone to pick with egalitarians. Also you called a prick which is a euphamism for dick see the double standard Cunt? TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 00:39, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Stop being such an unlikable fuckwit. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 02:00, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Sorry if my nuance opinion offends you. TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 20:48, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

lol at every right wing egalitarian. Or more accurately: liars. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 21:01, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Fuck you bitch. Why don't you criticize your own dam incestuous slime pit! If it's a lie to believe that people should be treated equally in everything then I'm a liar I guess. I'm not even right wing, you lying white Knight. TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 13:13, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

You know, if I can replace you with a shell script that periodically posts things based the contents of the manosphere glossary, then you aren't really all that interesting. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 13:22, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I could say the same thing about you. except replace the "manosphere" words with progressive BS. Except That I try to post other stuff like my page on the Ordovician But you people don't like that. So I'm doing this/ I can't win with you people. TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 15:18, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘TheDarkMaster2, you have failed to understand the book, How to Talk Dirty and Influence People. You're talking dirty, but you're failing to influence people positively. Bongolian (talk) 18:32, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

You don't have nuance TheDarkMaster. If you did, it's on the same levels of alt-right trolls. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 18:36, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

Please do a better job writing articles

This is limited to the Ordovician, but it has far too many errors for other editors to just continue correcting them.

I'm not sure what your motivation is for turning a redirect into a rather bland and poorly-written article, and I'm not sure if I see the point of doing it rather than just expanding the appropriate subsection in Geologic timeline. The article is bland as it reads like a normal encyclopedia entry. RationalWiki's priorities are not like this. We do have some plain factual articles but they tend to be rather expansive and detailed, and they usually cover broad subjects.

And this isn't going into your several grammar and syntax errors:

• You're not using spaces appropriately. After the end of a sentence (a period), that's where you put a space (unless you add a reference; in that case, reference goes right after the period and then you put a space). Spaces go after commas too. Spaces also go before parentheses usually.
• You've made a few run-on sentences ("Trilobites continued to diversity in the Ordovician however in the end the group began it's long decline."). A complete clause has a subject and a verb. If you have two complete clauses separated by a comma, that's a run-on, and it requires three corrections: a semi-colon, a period, or ending the first complete clause with a comma and "and".
• Commas are used as breaks in the sentence. In the sentence above, it makes reading much easier if there are commas after "however" and "end".
• "It's" is a contraction of "it is". It is not a possessive. Extremely common mistake. You don't say "hi's" so you don't have any apostrophe for "its".
• Semicolons are used mainly to separate complete clauses or for separating elements in listings that have complete clauses + commas in them. It is not appropriate to use a semicolon when you're beginning a list; use a colon instead. Also if you begin a list with a colon, the sentence shouldn't end with a verb (e.g. "This list has:" is the wrong way to use a begin a list).
• Your citations are poorly formatted. While it's easy to simply plop in a link within references tags, that's not proper formatting. It's good practice to follow Wikipedia:Citing sources (I format references as in Author last name, first letter of first name], (Date published), title of the article linking to the article, publisher, retrieved date. References also generally go after the period, not before it.
• Wikipedia is not a citation. Use {{wpl}}, and use them only if absolutely needed.

This isn't easy, but our wiki requires some quality control, and if you continue making these sort of errors, we can't continuously clean up after your edits. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:44, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

What about my Cambrian article? I was trying to find common misconceptions for the Ordovician period but I ran out of time I was gonna update that soon. TheDarkMaster2 (talk) 15:37, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

It's not good either. Also ridden with errors including missing period, misuse of spaces, and just very stubby and boring, already covered in Geologic timeline and Cambrian explosion. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 01:06, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Permaban

Shouldn't we just permaban the fuckwad? He certainly more than meets the criteria for at least a several month long ban, such as repeated harassment of users.--Don Juan (talk) 23:07, 5 December 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it's harassment, it's more of being a general unpleasant piece of work and has shown no signs of improvement. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:03, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

If I had to rank the quality of TDM2 as a user, I'd say he ranks slightly above your average vandal, but that's not saying a lot.--Don Juan (talk) 00:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

He won't be missed if he continues to try to persist in his offensiveness. We don't need poor-quality edits on non-core missional pages. It's not worth putting up with the abuse. Bongolian (talk) 01:01, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

We wouldn't lose anything by permabanning this guy, but I don't think anything he's done is quite bad enough to justify that. So I think we should just send him to the drunk tank with a three months block. DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 02:30, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Three months in the loo it is for him. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 03:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I vote we unblock him, and then completely and utterly ignore him (barring vandalism) for the rest of the month, just to see what happens. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 03:58, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Wait, hold up, what's happened? RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth TheDarkMaster2 is an asshole and apparently, when someone behaves in an unprovoked and hostile manner towards other people, they don't seem to like that all that much! And now everyone apparently wants to ban him and tell him to fuck off. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 04:35, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

What has he done? Aside from being an asshole? RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:42, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie @LeftyGreenMario Please explain which specific rule DarkMaster2 has violated, or I will be very strongly tempted to unblock. RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth I'm going to be honest, I don't know. And I didn't block him these last few times. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 04:55, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Why did he get banned again?Doublethink (talk) 05:43, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Doublethink, TheDarkMaster2 has been engaging en repeated vulgar ad hominem attacks, bordering on harassment in my view. You can read it all here on this talk page. Bongolian (talk) 06:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanksDoublethink (talk) 06:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I wouldn't always adhere by rules or lack of. I go by overall upkeep of the wiki. Does keeping Dark Master unbanned benefit the wiki? What are the benefits? "Just ignore him" is not really going to work as he is just going to invite other users to respond and it doesn't resolve that we are letting him free reign as an ass. No one wants him around and I see little reason or point to keep him around and ignore him as it has less benefits than banning. He's a toxic influence and I don't like these kinds of people in this community. I like him banned. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 08:24, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘He's been warned to be civil and he's ignored the warnings. I consider that harassment. I don't think he's worth arguing about any further. Bongolian (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

TheDarkMaster2 is going to get permabanned sooner or later. He's really just a troll. Everything he says in the Saloon Bar and on talk pages is just intended to upset and anger what he sees as the typical RationalWiki user. We might as well nip this in the bud now, rather than let it go on for another six months or a year. Spud (talk) 11:53, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@Bongolian "He's been warned to be civil and he's ignored the warnings. I consider that harassment." Actually, that's not harassment. It's just being an asshole. Now, if he specifically targeted other users and attacked them unprovoked, as well as repeatedly making dishonest assertions that he later failed to correct and/or redact, now that would be harassment. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 13:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm completely onboard with banning him. He hasn't made a single contribute edit (and when he does attempt to do it, his edits are always laden with spelling and grammar error of all sorts, despite being told how to imporve, almost as if he doesn't care what he edits on there), he's far too stupid to know when he's acting like a dick, he thinks calling other users slurs is acceptable, and he posts comments only to constantly purposely provoke other users in the saloon bar. We don't gain anything from keeping him around; all he did so for was waste our time constantly, even in the vandal bin or multiple block attempts. Energy expended on dealing with him can exercised towards actually helping our mission, which is to, you know, edit articles so our website is a better place. We're not babysitters. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 19:13, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

We have a blocking policy for a reason, and I don't think "It's too much effort to deal with them" is (usually) a good enough reason to ban them permanently. Unless you can demonstrate that either a)DarkMaster2 has earned a block according to the policy or community standards or b)is indeed an extraordinary case (by which I mean, the very stability of the wiki is under imminent threat from this person's continued presence), I will not support blocking him. And if he is indeed accused of something, DarkMaster2 should be unblocked long enough to speak in his own defense. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't play this by the book. If a user has constantly proven to be troublesome, to the point where people are sick and tired of taking care of him when that's his parent's job, I say we should ban him. He's not worth having around. His talk page edits are almost on the same level as weak-sauce trolling. He has been blocked a countless number of times. We don't gain anything from keeping him around, and if a rule doesn't keep disruptive, counterproductive editors who waste our time rather than contribute to our mention, I'll exercise my own judgement void of the written rules and support a permanent ban. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 19:27, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

There are times when the rules must, indeed, be considered void because emergencies demand it. This is not one of them. I do play this by the book, or at least as close to the book as possible. I don't imagine that anything we say to each other on that will change anyone's opinions. If the community votes to ban, I will, of course, abide by their will. But until then, I still support unblocking. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:33, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

You know what? Bongolian's right, changed my mind. Permaban the fucker. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:44, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth if you don't mind me asking, what caused you to change your mind? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 19:51, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

His comments seemed a bit much. I mean, the bit about son of incestuous whores thing was what really crossed the line there. I think a definite case can be made for that being harassment. Of course, if TheDarkMaster2 can justify themselves sufficiently, I will relent in my opinion. I'm still somewhat uncomfortable with a mod unilaterally delivering a 3-month ban, however. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

I told you so :V БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 19:59, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth He was copying something I wrote on my talkpage in response to a pro-GamerGate BoN. It is still unclear from his responses whether or not he was the BoN in question. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:04, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

DarkMaster, please speak in your defense and explain why we should not ban you for harassment, if you so desire. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:49, 6 December 2018 (UTC)