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ok, this not vandalism but question. when i say "cheerleader" what do you think? i honestly want to know. :) oh and reverting this legitimate thread implies you are incapable of thinking.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

oh and reverting this legitimate thread implies you are incapable of thinking. What a crock of shit. The burden of proof is not that slight--Opcn (talk) 07:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


I picture George W. Bush with a megaphone thing, why do you ask? User:Human 23:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Damn uncyclopedia/dramatica![edit]

I think i need to stop going there...these people are hateful and offensive but at least they do it for everyone(no favoritism) but still...i hate these people!Waronstupidity (talk) 04:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I like going there but they have really creepy ads that make me look weird when people walk in my room. User:TKEtoolshed 05:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
i think they need to get a life... i never saw so many Disgusting and offending article on any-other place... even /b/ are nicer, that why i wont go there anymore these people are fucking asshole. Waronstupidity (talk) 05:20, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Well it has been said that RationalWiki is an over-glorified /b/. User:Π 05:48, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
A but what about /g/ at RW? I just made /g/ up. Perhaps it stands for "goat". — Unsigned, by: Bob M / talk / contribs
And at the height of the troll-baiting and bickering, it is. User:Armondikov 17:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Some stuff over there is gold, but I can't hang. Those people are creepier than you guys, and I'm creeped out enough here as it is. ED is the creepiest place next to a /b/. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 18:40, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
Obviously nor enough time on the net if RW qualifies as creepy. -- CodyH (talk) 08:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Dramatica's ads are pretty creepy, but hey, that's why WhatPort80 was created. Tisane (talk) 06:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I've seen worse sites. RW is relatively tame, despite the lolcats and the use of the term "lulz". Raistuumum (talk) 02:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Icelandic ash[edit]

Bloody hell. First they fuck our economony, and now they're buggering up our flight schedules as well! What gives? Disclaimer: joke. Not blaming anything on the people of Iceland User:Crundy 08:05, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Just on that - without wanting to sound all conspiracy thingy - is it just me, but have there been an awful lot of big earthquakes this year? --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 17:29, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I've been thinking that too, and I'm surprised there haven't been conspiracy theories about it (that I've seen, at least). User:Tetronian 18:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
i saw one on a youtube comment, blaming it all on HAARP, but that's fairly standard for YT. Where's David Icke when we need him? Hiding in his secret base with his infrasonic earthquake device, that's where! Totnesmartin (talk) 18:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
And last year, remember the big tsunami was caused by a big earthquake, right? Or was that late '08? Either way, yeah. It's probably just a fluke though, but they could be related geologically. User:Human 21:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
2004 you mean? Boxing Day? Missed it by a day - left Phi Phi to have Xmas on the mainland. --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 13:26, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey! a plane just flew overhead. Admittedly a small single engined thing, but the skies are open? User:Toast 15:43, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
IIRC it only affects stuff at the sort of altitudes jet engines fly at: low-flying planes aren't affected. User:Phantom Hoover 13:29, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Just been out photographing the setting sun: big bright orange ball. User:Toast 19:15, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I don't think it's just the altitude, I think the type of engine is also relevant as jets suck in enormous amounts of air. But I'm just a simple girly so what do I know? Wait, I know just the person to ask! User:Lily The Pink 10:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

UK election survey[edit]

A survey which tells you who to vote for here. EddyP (talk) 20:58, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

That gives 10% to the BNP and nearly 30% to the Greens, please don't implement this system ever. User:Armondikov 21:13, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I have little confidence in a survey that claims " ..." isn't a valid email address. User:Toast 21:17, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Consider that in the UK GMail is called Google Mail, so try|.uk). User:Phantom Hoover 21:32, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
That was my first attempt, I retried with "gmail" (either works: it's a legacy from someone domain squatting yonks ago I believe) PH. I'm 25% Conservative, 25% Libdem & 50% Green (who aren't standing here!) User:Toast 21:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Being able to vote doesn't seem to be all it's cracked up to be. User:Phantom Hoover 21:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
It seems to have failed just after I clicked "submit", which is a shame. I was looking forward to finding out that I was actually a closet BNP member... User:Armondikov 21:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
Same for me. Must have been overloaded by the sudden influx of Rationalwikians. Broccoli (talk) 22:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm 3 parts Lib-Dem, 1 part green. I think that is a fair assessment. User:Lily The Pink 10:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
And I got the inverse: 3 parts green to 1 part LD. Still voting Lib Dem though... Totnesmartin (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Support this excellent artist[edit]

Good teeshirt could be official RW teeshirt. DogPMarmite Patrol 01:00, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Horrid model, though. User:Toast 01:06, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
One of these days I will eventually get around to making a real RW t-shirt with the brain logo and all that. Someday. User:Tetronian 02:15, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
We have the logo. We even have animations. But we still haven't got around to posting anything onto Cafe Press. I think a brain logo on a mug with the phrase "You don't have to be rational to work here, but it helps" sort of thing. User:Armondikov 11:16, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
Brain logo with random slogan, plus "" of course. Trouble with cafepress, as I understand it, is if you don't sell some shit pretty quickly, they remove it. How about we just post some nice hi-rez printable shit here, and everyone buys color inkjets and iron-on paper? Works well. User:Human 04:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
But will the brain logo scale to a bigger size? ŠţěŗĭļėUser:Sterile 03:21, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I think the current version might - wasn't the brain image built from a, um, whatever that scalable format is? User:Human 11:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
The current logo is from a 3D model of a brain, not an SVG. User:Phantom Hoover 12:06, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Pfft, if there is no God, than there'd be nothing stopping me from making a million pirated copies of that shirt and giving them to every rw person fo free. What, you say cops are a reason? Pfft, I'd be on the first flight to Sweden where they say there are no copyright laws. Or maybe some remote place in the African jungle... (talk) 04:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I've got to say that there are some great slogans on these atheist T-shirts. I find they even have atheist thongs. Useful for the atheist Barbie I suppose.--BobSpring is sprung! 13:33, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Thunderf00t vs Ray Comfort (sticky)[edit]

Here is a link: User:Mei II 23:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
For people who have not seen it. User:Mei II 23:08, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Too good to let it go to archives so fast. Thanks everyone for the fish, and especially to Mei for being useful. User:Human 08:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Rationalwiki Volcano Club[edit]

Anyone else affected by this? I've just heard that my flight back from Perth to Manchester has been cancelled and because of the backlog I don't know when they'll be able to get me home. It's amazing how many people have been affected and things like fresh veg and flowers which are flown in from Africa have been put on hold which consequently affects villagers in Kenya who are being temporarily laid off. (Not that I really agree with flying packets of beans half-way round the world). User:Lily The Pink 11:31, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Both of my real life friends are out of the country, and at least one of them can't get back because of this. User:Phantom Hoover 11:37, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
It's light out here. I'm not sure if that is on-topic. Also, some prick has got his shorts in a bind over on WP at me, I don't know why. I suspect neither of these issues have to do with Iceland, but one never knows. User:Human 11:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
My aunt is in Italy with her family, her holiday's supposed to end today, so I don't know if she's gonna be able to get back. Lily, aren't you from Liverpool, not Manchester? User:SuperJosh 13:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Ha! She's got me all jealous: see here User:Toast 13:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

(aside) This place is getting ridiculous, it's turning into a fiction factory: somewhere Human claimed to have a friend and now PH says he's got two. (Lil's tale is obviously wishful thinking.) User:Toast 13:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

If it's any consolation Toast, I don't have any friends. User:SuperJosh 13:36, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
And I haven't met one of my friends in months. User:Phantom Hoover 13:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
EC) Obviously, Josh, as a true nerd who's on t'internet 24 hours/day you and I and indeed everyone here don't have not no friends. Can't stand these folk what live in another reality. User:Toast 13:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Reality is so overrated anyway. I ventured into it earlier on this afternoon and there were too many people there. I only bother with it when a group of my social associates (not "friends") are at the pub. And who's to say that's a real thing? User:SuperJosh 13:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Hate to tell you this Josh, but what you think of as "reality" is just a butterfly having a dream. Now, do you want the red pill or the blue pill? And on a related subject, it takes a very special person to go, "Oh look, a live volcano! Let's go and live on top of it." --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 14:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
And the air they breathe just burns your lungs anyway... User:Human 14:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
"Friend?" What is a "friend" anyways? User:Tetronian 15:01, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Anybody who replies to, or comments on anything I say on a blog/forum/wiki/facebook/4chan/myspace/twitter/e-mail/irc is my friend. But then, I don't have high standards. --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 15:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
You know who else has low standards? Your mom. :D User:Radioactive afikomen 18:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, is this one of those friendships where I actually have to give you birthday presents, or can I just grunt amiably within a week of your b-day and be okay? User:Radioactive afikomen 18:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I have a few friends , a some are real. I havent asked to borrow money so I dont know if they are good friends. Invite me over for waffles and I will be your friend. Volcanoes are inconveniant. They did spread the smaller animals after the great flood. Is the volcano making Iceland bigger , or melting it smaller ? Hamster (talk) 20:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Ace vs. The Volcano..

Acei9 20:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

@SJ. Yes I'm from Liverpool but in the north-west long-haul flights are only available from Manchester which is just about in spitting distance. User:Lily The Pink 01:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Work colleague's parents are stuck in Sharm el Sheikh, but otherwise I don't know about anyone else who's stuck. User:Crundy 13:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

The department head of linguistics at the U of Edinburgh, Geoffrey Pullum, is stuck in Boston and offering lectures in exchange for a beer and nachos. I desire more Icelandic volcanoes of this nature.--User:AD 19:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm currently substituing for a SFC on leave. One of the first things I thought was 'Will he be able to get back from leave?'. Now, as my own leave date comes closer, i'm wondering if I might be able to go on leave myself in mid-May. -- CodyH (talk) 08:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


An Irish journalist writes on HuffPo. Dawkins should be arrested for not screaming about "atheist" crimes. Wanker. Why evolution is true blog Hat tip User:Toast 14:45, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

The HuffPo article is nothing more than the same old "Hitler was an atheist!" argument. But I did laugh at the part where the article calls biology and genetics "arcane fields." User:Tetronian 14:57, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Whoa, I didn't read the second half of the article until now. What the hell do the fertility rates of atheists have to do with the Pope? User:Tetronian 15:05, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
There's an even stupider guy in the comments section. I can make neither head nor tail of what he's saying. User:Phantom Hoover 15:07, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
The basic problem is that Dawkins has failed to deal with Pol Pot. His being unconnected and physically impossible should not be a barrier. Sems a good response to a guy hilighting the demstrable fact that the Catholic Church continues to endorse the involuntary sliding of clerical cock in to the arses of boys. Yup, way to grasp the bigger picture, Rory.User:Concernedresident 20:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
If you ever want to teach people how not to write convincing arguments and teach people basic logical fallacies and their applications (argument from authority features extremely prominently), you could do much worse than start on that article. And that's a generous assessment. User:Armondikov 07:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
One thing I noticed about the article is that it hits a slippery slope in a hurry. Because Dawkins is trying to use the Augusto Pinochet maneuver on the Pope when he visits Britain, Mr. Fitzgerald sees this as Dawkins glossing over crimes done 'by' atheists. I seriously doubt that Dawkins would deny the death of millions in the Cultural Revolution or the Soviet Union during the Cold War. However, those leaders and their actions have come and gone. Cardinal Ratzinger's discrepancies and purposeful deceptions are still happening around the world, and have happened for much longer than the crimes done by the aformentioned 'atheists', even if they aren't atheist in definition [Soviet Russia was out of paranoia, the Cultural Revolution was out of fear of being left behind].
Another one that I love is the Einstein parallels he draws, even though he ignores Einstein's definition of spiritual [as Dawkins correctly states, it isn't spiritual as people know it; Spinoza's God rarely is] and uses the 'Judge of Truth and Knowledge' quote, even though Einstein meant it to be a quote to anyone who professed complete knowledge, including those religious zealots who use their belief as a cudgel against others. -- CodyH (talk) 08:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Did I really just see that?[edit]

While I don't like to add to the PeeZed liveblogging, please to be watching the video in this post and then telling me if that's actually real fox "news" programming or satire? I can't tell. Its hilarious, either way. --User:JeevesMkII 15:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

I think it is, indeed, real. I found it painful and had to stop watching, though. User:Human 11:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Power out[edit]

I just had a power outage that effed up my file system (or some such arcane[nice word] thing) I did something called "fsck"(?) 'cause that's what it told me to do & now it's all back. But now my file browser just locks up. Help? (Ubuntu) User:Toast 15:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

What does the terminal do? Try using ls, and see what that reports. User:Phantom Hoover 15:30, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, try running "nautilus", and check what it says. User:Phantom Hoover 15:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
EC) I can leap around in the terminal: many files are duplicated i.e. "Ed" and "Ed~" but there doesn't seem to be any hang up. In applications (e.g. gedit) I can move around directories & stuff, it's just file browser. User:Toast 15:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
The files ending in ~ are backups made by gedit. -- Nx / talk 15:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
What error messages does Nautilus spit out? User:Phantom Hoover 15:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

(nautilus:3733): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion `preferences_is_initialized ()' failed

    • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'UploadFinished'
    • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'DownloadFinished'
    • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'ShareCreateError'

Initializing nautilus-gdu extension

Nautilus-Share-Message: Called "net usershare info" but it failed: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory(nautilus:3733): Eel-CRITICAL **: eel_preferences_get_boolean: assertion `preferences_is_initialized ()' failed

    • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'UploadFinished'
    • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'DownloadFinished'
    • (nautilus:3733): WARNING **: No marshaller for signature of signal 'ShareCreateError'

Initializing nautilus-gdu extension

Nautilus-Share-Message: Called "net usershare info" but it failed: 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: cannot open usershare directory /var/lib/samba/usershares. Error No such file or directory

Please ask your system administrator to enable user sharing.

User:Toast 15:46, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

My guess it your .gconf directory got corrupted. Happened to me once when someone shut down a computer I was connected to using remote desktop -- Nx / talk 15:49, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
What did you do? User:Phantom Hoover 16:43, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Delete .gconf IIRC -- Nx / talk 17:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Think I'll wait for next Ubuntu (due this month I believe). User:Toast 17:27, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
And wipe your homedir? -- Nx / talk 17:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Alternately, you can just use the command "mv ~/.gconf ~/.gconf.corrupted", which will back it up. User:Phantom Hoover 18:06, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
I hate to be a real jerk here, but Toastie darling, you've been on something like seventy machines since we met ya. Why do they all keep breaking? I understand the early days, you writing the help files on a handheld thingie while flooded out, but why don't you have a stable machine these days? Just asking, really, and curious. User:Human 16:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Twasn't the machine: my power went down. This is the fourth (4th) machine in the last 4 years including 2 hand-held (or 'phones as some call them) User:Toast 16:22, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Like I said, I didn't want to be the asshole here. And I remember you building the fricking help pages on RW on like a handset. But why is now your big machine dying? You are really computer savvy, far more than me. User:Human 18:10, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Her machine isn't dying, there was a powercut which caused the filesystem (that's the arrangement of files on the physical disc, not the disc itself) to become corrupted. The computer instructed Toast to run a program to fix the filesystem, which it duly did, but some of the configuration files for the file browser were left corrupted, causing the file browser to fail. User:Phantom Hoover 18:39, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
dunno where you live but consider a small UPS. they arent expensive and you only need like 5 minutes for an orderly shutdown. Hamster (talk) 20:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
That's why I love laptops, they have a built-in UPS (aka battery). Just ignore the recommendation to remove the battery when connected to mains power. -- (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Great advice if you only want your lithium battery to last a bout a year. The main factor in shortening Li-ion battery life is heat. All Li-ion batteries start the road to death as soon as they are made. Keeping a three-quarter charged battery in a zip-lock bag in the fridge (not freezer) will extend its life. Use a proper UPS with cheap lead-acid gel batteries rather than leaving your laptop plugged in and warm all the time. User:Lily The Pink 22:02, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Guess it depends on the quality of the battery and/or heat flow of the computer. My machine is now some 3 years old, uptime around 8h/day on average. So far, the battery (never removed) still has more than 75% of its original capacity. -- (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Interesting point about the heat issue. The power's gone off a couple times while using this flappie, and it's almost spooky - everything around me turns off except the glowing screen. Of course, I lose the 'net due to the modem and router going down. User:Human 10:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
That's where a real UPS comes in handy. But don't you have a genset? User:Lily The Pink 10:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but it's not automated. User:Human 11:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

First Contact?[edit]

Sorry if it's a repost--What to do if you meet E.T. P-Foster (talk) 19:32, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

How useful!--BobSpring is sprung! 21:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
That's awesome. I'd hate to read the faith based one, which would probably be something along the lines of "before attempting to show a basic grasp of mathematics, tell them about Jeezus" User:Armondikov 07:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, great piece, but ow, the formatting! User:Human 11:22, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It's probably meant to be a poster rather than an easy on the eyes article, but isn't really punchy enough for one. It'd make a good one, though. User:Armondikov 11:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

That volcano again[edit]

So who is going to be buying a mask to survive?--BobSpring is sprung! 21:23, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Remember to duck and cover under a blanket or newspaper--Thanatos (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Photos of sunset 17/04/10 Not very good, but it was oranger than usual User:Toast 02:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm so glad I live south of that big ol' middle line thingy. Just as Hollywood predicted - all the crap happens up north. Just waiting for the ice storms and alien landings now. (PS When aliens land here, we stick 'em in ghettoes. It's true, I saw a documentary). --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 09:30, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It's obvious that God did this to punish Europe for tolerating fags and fag enablers. User:SuperJosh 19:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

someone trying to hack my rationalwiki account.....[edit]

using the "forget password" feature.......damn..i keep receiving email saying someone asked a password change for my account O_O Waronstupidity (talk) 23:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

That happened to another two users recently. User talk: Rodlen (talk) 23:18, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
what should i do ? Waronstupidity (talk) 23:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Nothing. The email comes only to you. It's just a handy way for idiots to troll registered users of a Mediawiki installation. As well as a password recovery tool - David Gerard (talk) 23:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
(EC!!!) You can't keep receiving it because you can only receive one per 24 hours. And don't worry, it's just an annoyance, they can't break into your account. You don't have to use the temporary password, your existing password will continue to work, and the temporary one will expire in a day. -- Nx / talk 23:19, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Maybe you forgot your password, and the you forgot that you forgot it. -- (talk) 23:20, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
This is actually the most likely explanation - David Gerard (talk) 23:21, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
well thank guy. but if you see me acting suspicious! it will be because CP hacked my account.Waronstupidity (talk) 23:24, 17 April 2010 (UTC)
Based on your edit history I can only assume you account was hacked at registration . . . I kid . . . Me!Sheesh!Mine! 00:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It could also be a legit, but poorly thought out hack attempt - possibly a bot. I've had it done to my Neopets account, and I wasn't even active there at the time; it could also be someone who doesn't know that "Forgot password" is usually paired to an e-mail, and someone who doesn't know that the IP address is included in said e-mail. -- (talk) 04:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I wouldn't accuse CP of doing it, I mean, yeah, Schlafly and TK are both total c**ts but this isn't really their thing. It could just be a bot trying it as anyone wanting to "hack" RW would go after Nx or Trent's accounts surely. User:Armondikov 07:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Unset your email address for a few weeks until they get bored. User:Crundy 13:24, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
This also seems to be an ample time to mention I received that email at... *checks email* 11:45 last night GMT. User:SuperJosh 14:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Mine was at 6:24 EST. And as far as "doing" anything about, once one understands the situation there's nothing at all that needs doing (I copied my "new" pword, but discovered I was logged in just fine, so didn't care). User:Human 14:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


I'm going until p foster retracts his accusation of sexual harrassment, it was a gay joke btw, and stops being a general tit and looking for any excuse to pick an argument with me. Goodbye. Tweetylet's have buttsecks 00:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Care factor: 0. User:Π 01:02, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
exactly, they don't care and that's why you should block them all with ur sysop buttons and tell them you'll be elsewhere with haste.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Someone said something mean about me on the Internets, goodbye.--User:AD 02:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

cheezburger haz wizdom Totnesmartin (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Goodbye forever. Don't worry, we won't wait up. User:SuperJosh 14:04, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
This sort of thing is why bisexuals choose not to exist - David Gerard (talk) 14:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Bye then.--BobSpring is sprung! 15:33, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Two tumbleweeds rolling across the screen, from left to right.
I SAID, I'M GOING!!!! (storms through door into closet) - David Gerard (talk) 08:05, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Playing with toys.[edit]

This is just me on a little rant again. I was getting my groceries in (name withheld) when something caught my eye. It was a lego, no sorry, megabloks set. What got me was the theme:Halo. It was a kid's toy fashioned after a game rated M (18+).

Now, I can see the appeal.Halo has tanks, airships and other cool stuff that would be fun to build as a child. Lego has Star Wars and stuff, but this really got me. Are they aiming this at children, ignorant of the game, or uber-geeky fans, who get every bit of merchandise they can get their hands on?

I remember when I was a kid and Walmart had problems with parents concerning the name of a toy. It was a gundam action figure called "DeathScythe from Hell" (one of the best names for a giant robot ever!). I also remember controversy surrounding a toy made in wrestler Al Snow's image. Parents complained because the it came with a head accessory that was supposed to be the manikin head Snow used as a prop.

But this Halo thing gets to me. Parent's let the ball dropped on this one, and I feel like Debbie Schussel saying this ( very, very dirty...). They danger-proof their kids, make it so cartoons are educational or have a positive message, and yet they didn't notice this?

P.S. While debating on writing this down, I started checking out some of my old favorite cartoons on youtube. After all these years, I am still a fan of Darkwing Duck, the Tick and Sam and Max: Freelance Police--Thanatos (talk) 01:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

It's a tricky problem. The question that inevitably follows is "should the government do something about this?" You are certainly right about parents dropping the ball, though. User:Tetronian 01:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
You know what I miss from my childhood? Tom and Jerry cartoons. It was clearly gratuitous violence, and the show served no other purpose other than catering to the gruesome needs of small innocent children. If we can allow our children to watch cartoons where household animals blow each other up with dynamite, then I'm sure killing aliens is good, since a kid who blows up his dog with a cherrybomb is a psycopath, but one who kills aleins is a pretty cool guy. --User:Theemperor 02:07, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
There was a controversy in the UK about Playboy logos appearing on kid's pencil cases and stuff. User:Lily The Pink 02:23, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I must say I am always bemused by the number of young women that have Playboy logo's on their stuff, seat covers in their cars seems the most common. User:Π 02:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I know it's only a matter of time before I see some kid with Razzle or Fat and Fifty written on the arse of her tracksuit. User:Concernedresident 03:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I think a Lego Halo video game was an April Fool last year. User:Armondikov 07:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Tom & Jerry from my childhood was the kinder, more peaceful cartoon, they just played harmless pranks and sometimes teamed up against others & we had Tom n' Jerry kids too, no violence at all, they all got along for the most part. Roadrunner & WilEy Coyote had the whole "blow him up, drop an anvil on his head, push him off a high cliff" type of violence going on. Refugeetalk page 09:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It's not exactly a new thing, as there were toys fashioned after Alien and Rambo in the old days. On the subject of old cartoons though, everybody knows that the best ones were mae in the 90s by Warner. I will fight about this if I have to. Vulpius (talk) 10:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
"The old days"? I'll see your Rambo and raise you a Dalek, stock phrase "Exterminate! Exterminate" in a harsh metallic voice. User:Human 11:49, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I remember a neighbor kid who wasn't allowed to watch Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles or Power Rangers because they were too violent. However, he was allowed to watch 'Tom and Jerry', 'Looney Toons' and 'Animaniacs' [Which was one of Spielberg's best projects]. I pointed out the screwed-up factor when I was seven. And, by the way, the Sam and Max cartoon wasn't that good. Then again, I grew up playing 'Hit the Road' and I own the 'Season 1' games. -- CodyH (talk) 07:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hai Guys?[edit]

What if, instead of a Zombie Apocalypse, they rise up, infect a majority of the population, and elect a zombie as president or prime minister or whatever? User:Javascap 01:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting question. There are more dead people than alive ones, so theoretically they would form the largest voting block if they could vote. User:Π
I thought there were as many people alive as have died (roughly) User:Toast 02:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I actually think the total human population, including the dead, was about 80 billion. Dunno where I got that from, and take it with a grain of salt because it could be wrong. User:Javascap 02:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
106,000,000,000 is the only number I can find. The US census bureau has estimates. User:Π 02:20, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Some say this happened in 2000. Boom-tish! - David Gerard (talk) 02:12, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Aside: Dead people voting is a classic ballot box stuffing technique. User:Π 02:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps this will be ACORN's next strategy? User:Tetronian 14:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

just wondering...[edit]

When does an account have "autoconfirmed" status on RW? ex- Wikipedia is 10 edits + 4 days. rational ghey (talk) 06:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm thinking about two days. User:TKEtoolshed 07:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

How to look like a funky monk[edit]

Can't afford a table? Smurf out!

"Perfect For Night Time Pub Crawls" - Can we expect these wearable sleeved blankets to be snapped up by RationalWikians? User:Lily The Pink 14:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, if you want to get harassed and humiliated the moment you walk into a public place. User:Tetronian 15:26, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Good garb for rationalwiccans?--BobSpring is sprung! 15:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
On the other hand, it might be fun to walk around all day in one of these and pretend nothing unusual is going on. User:Tetronian 17:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It's a cult. Damn good one as well. Anyone making fun of you can be arrested and dealt with rather harshly, at least in Ireland.--User:Concernedresident 18:15, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I can't say anything. I've got the full Sith robe…--User:Stunteddwarf 21:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

King James Only Missionaries?[edit]

Hey, I know that when Muslims try to convert people they teach Arabic so people can read the Qur'an, but I was wondering: do King James Only people teach English? Or, do they even have missionaries?--Mustex (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Mmmm. I spent a few minutes trying to find something on this without getting any clear result. I did however come to this page which may have something on it. Unfortunately, the page really should get some kind of award for bad design and all the blinking words gave me a headache.--BobSpring is sprung! 17:56, 18 April 2010 (UTC)


I'm 9 minutes into it and already kind of headdesking. I'm not sure if it was some "creative" editing in the cutting room, but Maher asks a question that pretty much every atheist/freethinker/deist/rationalist always wants answered; "why is faith, that is a belief in something without evidence, a good thing?" and this guy responds saying "now I don't like where this documentary is going..." then tells Maher he's going to have a problem and storms out. LIKE THAT'S AN ANSWER?!?! That guy may have just as well sat there and chanted "DO NOT QUESTION. DO NOT QUESTION." over and over again... and then it only gets more retarded from there. User:Armondikov 17:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I suppose the only reasonable answer is 'comfort', which isn't a good reason at all Sleuth (talk) 18:12, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Dude keep watching it! Amazing movie rational ghey (talk) 18:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It was an entertaining movie, but it has little intellectual value. It's just a two-hour religion-bashing fest with no intelligent conclusion beyond "religions kill people." It's just another bullet in the increasingly petty information war between religion and the "New Atheism." User:Tetronian 21:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
That's debatable. Yes, there was extensive editing from the interviews, but I think it still expels their logic. rational ghey (talk) 21:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, [1]. User:Mei II 21:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
(EC) I suppose it provided some insight into the minds of religious leaders (albeit heavily edited insight), but for the most part the film just preached to the converted (to atheists, that is). It was apparent from minute one that religious beliefs have no evidence to support them, making Maher's incessant mocking superfluous. What's more, he focused on making the interviewees look silly rather than having concrete intellectual debates. User:Tetronian 21:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but is it funny? User:Human 05:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Typical self righteous atheist drivel, a friend imposed this shit on me the other week, serious borefest by a comedian well past his best. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

The movie is worth seeing, if only for the guy from the Vatican he interviews, and the Sabbath-cheating machines. DickTurpis (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like fun at least. (And if our theist BON above is so against it it must have something going for it.)--BobSpring is sprung! 06:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I think if you want "intelligent debate" you find some old discourses that have been around for years and read those. Arguments for/against the existence of any god haven't changed since the dawn of time. So something that just exposes the idiotic side of believers is fine by me. User:Armondikov 13:07, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
It's pretty damn funny, but it isn't going to change ANY minds, not through its tone, content, inoformation or argument. But I laughed heartily, and I don't normally go for the Bill Maher thing. File Under: Choir Preaching, Atheist. DogPMarmite Patrol 22:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

So I have this friend...[edit]

...who likes to leave his lights on all day just to help global warming, which is strongly believes is a hoax. I don't think I wanna be friends with him. Thoughts? rational ghey (talk) 18:51, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

if he thinks "global warming" is a haox, how can he "help" something that doesn't exist for him? But really, the amount of electricity consumed by household lighting is pretty small compated to what we use runninbg street lights or traffic light for long stretches, or airconditioning/heating/lighting the average factory or shopping mall. P-Foster (talk) 18:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I would suggest that he leaves his tumble-drier on 24/7 as that would make a lot more difference.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:03, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Excellent point P Foster. I think he does just to waste electricity and piss anyone slightly more liberal than rush limpballs off. I think. Idk he's an idiot. rational ghey (talk) 19:19, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Does this friend pay his own electric bill?Me!Sheesh!Mine! 19:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
He could up the stakes a bit by burning car tyres in his garden. He'd also irritate the the big government crowd by exercising his right as an individual to throw himself off of a bridge, and ultimately that's one of those rare win-win situations. --User:Concernedresident 19:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
What an absolute cock. What I would agree with Bob's suggestion that he really make his point by leaving all his high-consumption appliances on all the time, that'd stick it to those environmentalist loonies! User:DeltaStar 19:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

No he gets his electric bill paid by the university housing. Nice Delta star. haha.. rational ghey (talk) 19:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

So he's a double dick. User:Human 19:45, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Well he's never gotten laid and he's from a small town in northern NJ (ha, where the assfly lives, how ironic?). He permanently has a limp on one leg, forgot why. I used to feel bad. rational ghey (talk) 19:52, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
None of that stuff is relevant to the issue at hand. User:SuperJosh 19:53, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh calm down. Just sayin. He texted me when earth day was... so he could burn a forest. rational ghey (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Obviously I lied. Sigh. rational ghey (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I AM CALM!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!ONE!!! User:SuperJosh 20:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
No you're not!!!one!!!eleven!!!!one-hundred-and-one!!!! rational ghey (talk) 20:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like he is simply a contrarian empowered by the fact that his actions don't have any direct or meaningful consequence on him. Me!Sheesh!Mine! 21:28, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

while we cannot prove the existence of god.[edit]

we cannot prove that there nothing after death, it bother me when i see people saying that there nothing after death like they *saw* it.

wake up call, we cannot know what after death as long as we are alive, that the rational way to do it because if we blatantly claim that there is nothing after death without proof (no scientist can die and come back to life to tell us how it is)we are acting like the creationist who claim god existence without proof.I'm probably gonna be insulted but you guy need to understand to have no double standard, you disrespect religion because of lack of proof(of that i can agree) but you cannot know what after death as long as you're still breathing. Waron out. Waronstupidity (talk) 21:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

True, no-one can say that there are no gods and that there's not a life beyond death. It is however reasonable to believe that gods and magical bye bye land are fictional until proven otherwise. --User:Concernedresident 21:11, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
fair enough :-),I'm agnostic and i want proof too but i really hope we can prove there something after death and if there nothing then so be it....Waronstupidity (talk) 21:13, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
(EC*2) Waron, you have a point, but there's more to it than that. While we can't know what is after death with absolute certainty, we can use logical reasoning (Bayesian and otherwise) to figure out what is probably going to happen. For example, the existence of a "soul" or some other non-physical entity is highly unlikely, which reduces the probability of a life-after-death. User:Tetronian 21:14, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
True, but we do not know everything about our universe, meaning there plenty of thing to discovery and many Theory to be proven or disproven.
Humanity need to keep its imagination because sometime imagination become a reality, for example people said we were never gonna be able to go to the moon but we did. There still PLENTY of thing to discover and that what current day "rational" people don't understand, they beleive that what exist today is the only thing that gonna exist tomorrow.Waronstupidity (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
What is it with people acting as if the sciences are for human computers with no imagination? It takes a huge amount of imagination and insight to work out how the world works, and to apply that knowledge to our gain. Imagination is not the same as believing whatever crap you want to. User:Phantom Hoover 21:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
I disagree: many rational people are focusing their attention on what will happen tomorrow. Like this guy, for example. The point is: there is a difference between saying "I don't know" and throwing up your hands helplessly as opposed to saying "I don't know" and then going on to examine the evidence you've got and making predictions. I admit, I will never know anything with absolute certainty, but I can use rationalism make predictions and adjust my beliefs as I acquire more evidence. At the moment, I think that I can assign a pretty low probability to an afterlife based on the absurdity of dualism. If I see something that suggests otherwise, I'll change my mind. User:Tetronian 21:25, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
good point, but i just hate when people completly destroy imagination saying its childish (example: many EXTREME atheist/rational i met).Waronstupidity (talk) 21:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
It's like Phantom Hoover says: there is a difference between imagination and faith. I can imagine whatever I want, but that doesn't mean I believe in it. And, as he points out, science takes imagination, too. Where would we be if scientists had never thought outside of the box? User:Tetronian 21:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
This argument has been addressed ad nauseam on this site. No sensible rational atheist denies the existence of a god/gods or an afterlife with 100% certainty as these things are ultimately unknowable. The tenuous "evidence" for most religious belief is based largely on hearsay and ignorance of nature, or is the product of self-delusion, so the probability of their existence is inordinately low. However, it is not rational to live your life on the basis of such low probabilities. It's like locking yourself in a concrete bunker just in case you get struck by a meteorite. Concepts like Pascal's wager are really a priori arguments because they assume the existence of a Christian god in the first place. To be fair you should apply the same logic to every religion or belief system. If there was really evidence for a god then surely it would be universal but there have been multitudes or different religions throughout history and across the globe. Of course, religionists always like to claim that theirs is the one true religion but as Steven Roberts said "When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you willunderstand why I dismiss yours". (See Commonsense Atheism for more discussion on this). The problems with religion arise from one set of random beliefs being imposed on everyone. Imagination is a creative process and one that has driven human progress and exploration for millennia, but it doesn't mean that we should take notice of every little kid's imaginary friend. User:Lily The Pink 01:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Well said Lily. Getting back to life after death, there is as much evidence for it as there is for the Flying spaghetti Monster. Nobody can say with 100% certainly that the Monster does not exist, and nobody can demonstrate with 100% certainty that there is no life after death. But given that there is no evidence in favour of either the Monster or life after death we are justified in dismissing both ideas.--BobSpring is sprung! 06:25, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
You lost me at the end, Bob. I obviously agree that we can't be certain about anything related to an afterlife, but why does that mean we should dismiss the problem entirely? After all, as you pointed out, we can't know for certain if the FSM (or any unfalsifiable deity) exists, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't collect evidence and try to approximate p(h|d), or the probability of the hypothesis given the data we have. In general, my point is simply this: just because we can't be absolutely sure of something, that doesn't mean we should ignore the problem, especially given the fact that nothing can really be proven with absolute certainty. User:Tetronian 20:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
"collect evidence" - there's been none so far. What you mean is look for evidence. Good luck with that. User:Toast 20:47, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, look for evidence is probably a better way of putting it. However, I do think that there are certain pieces of evidence that can help us ascertain probabilities - for example, the sorry state of dualism is a relatively big blow against the existence of an afterlife. User:Tetronian 20:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Tip of the day[edit]

If you are going to buy PopCorn, try not to swap the letters.-- (talk) 22:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

As in Spoonerese? User:Human 23:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
You tried to buy a Porn Cop, and now are facing attempted bribery charges? --User:JeevesMkII 08:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I didn't say it. You did. Please keep an eye out for the Corn Pops at your door. User:Human 08:30, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

hey hey hey hey hey[edit]

Why is nothing happening happening happening happening?

I dont know know know know rational ghey (talk) 23:32, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
We should do something do something do something do something User:Mei II 23:35, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Like this this this this? User:Human 23:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
No something better. Better better better. User:Mei II 23:39, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
facebook <3 rational ghey (talk) 23:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
[[User:SuperJosh/sj1}} Ah, sorry, I farted. User:SuperJosh 23:41, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Mock mock mock mock Conservapedia articles? Rodlen (talk) 23:42, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
ಠ_______ಠ We do that anyway. User:Mei II 23:43, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
We should talk about something we do not talk about previously. User:Mei II23:48, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Come on come on comeon.
The daffodils are very nice this year year year year. User:Human 23:59, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Upload picture
It's dark dark dark dark out. Settle for this [2]. User:Human 00:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I like the dark. I was just thinking about dark. Garden is nice nice nice. Would prefer darker darker darker. User:Mei II 00:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
NEW IMPORTANT ISSUE - how fast does time move?
One second per second. Unless you're bored. Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana. User:Human 00:21, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
What units does that have? Fruit flies probably prefer fruit with thin skins. What is your opinion on Kanye West?
I'm more of an East Koast person. The units are seconds. The units of an arrow are fleches and the minor units are pointzes. User:Human 00:28, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
If it's seconds per second the seconds should cancel out. No units. Like that other thing in physics. Also, time does not seem to move at that speed. Time moves far too fast. User:Mei II 00:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes, sometimes it goes at 3,600 seconds per hour. Much faster. User:Human 00:33, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Too fast. We should slow it down. User:Mei II 00:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
How does 60 seconds/minute strike you? How about eight days a week? User:Human 00:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
That is far too fast. User:Mei II 00:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
How about one day per day? Seems sluggish enough to me to be positively molluscean. User:Human 01:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
If you want it to go slower, you need to start moving faster relative to everyone else. User:Π 01:49, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
With regards to both your comments, MEI HAS WON THE THREAD User:Mei II 01:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I move at one hour per hour, on the hour. To everything it's season, turn, turn, turn. User:Human 05:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Related question: for how long does a metre of time last? User:Phantom Hoover 07:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
~3.3×10-10 seconds. HTH - David Gerard (talk) 08:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
This has bothered me for a while, so I'd like to know why. User:Phantom Hoover 11:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Time light travels 1m in vacuum, 1/(3×10E8). Oh wait, that's ~3.3×10E-9. Sorry! - David Gerard (talk) 11:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
First, you fuckers broke the wall of time. Second, oh piss, I forgot after all this shit I had to fix! User:Human 08:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I remember. 4/4. So, one. User:Human 08:50, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
It is fun to break the wall of time. User:Javascap 12:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

I like John Hughes[edit]

Try to refute that, so called "rational" wiki. User:Mei II 01:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

You know who else liked John Hughes? HITLER!@!@!11!!1!212!!! --User:Theemperor 02:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
AND STALIN! AND DARWIN IS CONNECTED TO BOTH! Rodlen (talk) 02:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
It is on now, "Theemperor". User:Mei II 02:17, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
"mei", I don't have time right now to read your lengthy posting. I wasted time with your unsubstantial additions and you still don't seem to grasp how liberals try to claim exclusive control of knowledge and its recognition, and how you should be objecting to that, so regardless, I'm so confident that you're trying to spread socialist propaganda. Furthermore, you are in denial that faith helps resist moral decay. It's simple logic: you need to write a book, fast, before you read any more. Try claiming to be an "expert in 'human medicine'" in a court of law sometime. Five minutes later, which is how long it will take for everyone to stop laughing at your claim, maybe you'll wake up. --Aschlafly 01:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
"Everyone but Rodlen", I'm not going to spend hours debating the logic and obvious evidence here. I've managed to read your rants and noticed that you expressed support for the gay agenda, so my confidence is over three standard deviations away from the mean that you're hearing this for the first time. You are in complete denial that that feudalism helps resist insanity. Believe what you like, but we're building an encyclopedia here. You should apologize for the damage that you tried to cause to this website. Go elsewhere if you seek to be deceitful.--Andy Schlafly 01:35, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
I do not like Star Wars. User:Mei II 02:26, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
When will breakfast be served? User:Human 05:44, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Victoria Jackson[edit]

So is Victoria Jackson some kind of parodist, or is she really just that freakin' dumb? [3] [4] User:Pacodog 05:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Incredibly obvious parody. User:Human 08:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
According to her Wikipedia entry she's a genuine. Whether she's that dumb or simply using it as a comic political ploy, I don't know but she probably believes what she's saying. User:Lily The Pink 09:18, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I guess I got Poe'd? In an inverse sort of manner? User:Human 10:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


i want to see that place BURN! along with ED.

People who make fun of rape victim and cripple doesn't deserve to live.

How can they find laughing at rape victim "funny" ? these people along with their ringleader "moot" deserve to be beaten to death.Waronstupidity (talk) 09:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

As I have never visited the place then I have been spared the moral outrage which you experience. Do people force you to go there, read the stuff and suffer?--BobSpring is sprung! 09:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I once gazed disinterestedly at 4chan to see what all the fuss was about. Turned out to be nothing. Acei9 09:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
(ec) Ok, good luck with that. PROTIP: If you take Computer Science III, your chances will increase dramatically. -- Nx / talk 09:43, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I guess you took Computer Science III too, then? --User:Theemperor 11:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Or whatever they have in Hungary. User:Phantom Hoover 12:01, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
i just hate those people... fucking coward making fun of crippled people behind their computer screen, if i could meet em i would break their leg with a baseball bat then laugh at them for being cripple! Waronstupidity (talk) 09:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Go get 'em, tiger. Acei9 09:56, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey, they like their cats. The really interesting thing about 4chan is that, when you give people the chance to take the Greater Internet Fuckward Theory to the limit - to interact as creatures of pure id - that the people involved actually do at least some nice things, e.g. they really like their cats - David Gerard (talk) 10:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
4chan is academically interesting because of Anonymous, which is basically an emergent entity. The whole idea of spontaneous order arising in an internet community is strangely fascinating. User:Tetronian 12:59, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
It certainly wasn't intelligently designed - David Gerard (talk) 21:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I'll choose fchan over 4chan any day of the week. Yes, I think it's that horrid. Vulpius (talk) 21:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Hey,hey hey... Just don't go to /b/ and you should be good. Try some of the other boards, I favor /wg/. I've found some nice walls from there (only about 1 in every 250 though). You see me on there as Iris!!(tripcodehere). User:Kektklik 22:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
4channer are godless monster. :-( i hate em.Waronstupidity (talk) 22:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
4chan doesn't really interested, but I have friends who hang out on /co/, /me/ and a couple of other boards, and they're generally nothing like /b/. --Kels (talk) 00:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Bah, humbug. They and all of their memes can shove it. Raistuumum (talk) 00:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Would everyone here who knows anything about 4chan and anonymous go add their info to vandal site please? User:Human 01:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Eh, that sounds about right. I don't believe they've raided any sites for a while, though. Raistuumum (talk) 01:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
One thing that has always interested me about 4chan, ED and other sites is how a group of strangers, fuckarounds and other socially inept people can function together as a form of quasi-society. Look at the /b/ board for example. Sure, they're rules are basically nonexistant [no cp/unlawful content, all else is fair game] and it's open to abuse, shock and enough vitriol to kill an elephant. But when it comes to uniting for the 'lulz' [In example, the 'Habbo' raids or prank-ordering pizzas to attention mongers like the Heene family] or even to keep trouble off 4chan [Look on ED for 'Don't mess with football' or 'Kitten' for examples of positive vigilantism] you have to admite the way that seemingly unconnected users with completely different backgrounds and preferences can unite under a goal. That, and sometimes it's just funny to watch the events unfold. -- CodyH (talk) 11:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
"A group of strangers, fuckarounds and other socially inept people [who] can function together as a form of quasi-society" - Just for a moment I thought you were talking about RationalWiki. User:Lily The Pink 12:39, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
RW is just a glorified /b/ -- Nx / talk 12:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

We are all going to die.[edit]

Well at some point any way. But according to this things could get a lot worse in the UK if our favourite volcano keeps going.--BobSpring is sprung! 11:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Everything in the whole country was covered in a thin layer of volcano dust yesterday. Today I am gasping from volcano dust asthma. Will have to smoke more to compensate - David Gerard (talk) 11:31, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Really? Didn't know that.--BobSpring is sprung! 11:35, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
It's true! If you smoke, you don't have to worry about volcano dust. You also don't have to worry about air pollution from cars, radon from walls or pesticides in your food. It consolidates all your health worries into one great big one, sort of like consolidating your loans - David Gerard (talk) 11:38, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I meant I didn't know about the dust. :-) I know that cigarette smoke is a medicine. :-)--BobSpring is sprung! 11:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
This volcano is pissweak, just a VEI1. Just wait until Yellowstone next goes off and destroys North America. Look at the Wikipedia article and see how they couldn't actually fit a VEI8 on the picture - David Gerard (talk) 11:55, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
If the volcano wipes out the UK, I won't be able to submit my movie script idea about an agent provocateur anthropomorphic cat called Mittens adventure across the communist Eastern bloc in the late 1950s trying to dodge the KGB. Sucks. User:SuperJosh 12:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
The volcano is causing Britain to COME TOGETHER AS A NATION and piss and moan - David Gerard (talk) 12:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
The weather already does that. User:Crundy 12:32, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
I like the "decription" column in that wikipedia table. "Super-colossal". The terms are completely meaningless. (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
lol @ the weather in the UK somehow getting worse. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 13:22, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
look on the bright side ! yes, you cant fly anywhere except maybe in little planes at low altitudes. Yes , its dusty. Yes its hard to breathe and many will die. Yes the climate will change to a year long winter, glaciers will form on the thames, and scotland will disappear under the arctic icecap. You will get some wonderful sunrises and sunsets ! at least until you cant see it through the constant snowstorms. Hamster (talk) 14:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Will there be internet connection under the Arctic ice cap? User:Phantom Hoover 17:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
"I like the "decription" column in that wikipedia table. "Super-colossal". The terms are completely meaningless." Not to geologists and vulcanologists I'm afraid.--User:Stunteddwarf 16:48, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Guys sitting around a big table at some university: "alright so, uh, what's bigger than colossal?"..."SUPER COLOSSAL!!!" — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 17:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
IIRC the terms for set cardinality are even sillier. User:Phantom Hoover 17:13, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
"I'm sorry, your child's Sonic Hedgehog is defective." Computer science needs more terms from stoned undergrads. "And here we see the duuude!! formation. This variant has three Us and two exclamation marks." - David Gerard (talk) 18:34, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


Is it just me, or does anybody else get perverse pleasure from listening to newscasters trying to pronounce Eyjafjallajokull. --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 11:11, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

The Icelanders especially. They also liked my report (SELF PROMOTION ALERT) - David Gerard (talk) 11:30, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I think it’s too soon to make jokes about the Icelandic volcano… we should at least wait until the dust settles. --PsyGremlinUser:Psygremlin 12:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Psy FTW!!Goodpost.gif 12:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC) User:Toast

Oops! Surgeon drops a bollock.[edit]

Grauniad User:Toast 16:36, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Obama's fault! Sen (talk) 19:24, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Big teacher is watching you[edit]

Remember the school that got stroppy with a kid for something they'd seen on his laptop cam at home? Turns out they'd done it thousands of times (allegedly). User:Toast 16:41, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

SynchronEyes? This is why some students need to be smarter. yeesh. "What's a vergion?" User:Kektklik 22:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)


I'm sitting around with relatively little to do so decided to catch up with Penn & Teller's Bullshit! where I left off (start of series 5). Is it worth continuing watching? Because after one episode I'm starting to side with their critics far more. So on the "obesity epidemic is bullshit" one there were a ton of problems. Yep, plenty of authors who have written on the subject (they even admitted to being too lazy to even read one of the books they were plugging, their research must be either going downhill, or they're finally being honest) but no actual science or studies seem to get mentioned - in fact, one was a lawyer trying to convince people what science said but without actually mentioning what science was done. They spent far too long attacking the BMI, which pretty much everyone knows is a very, very basic proxy (and like all proxies, will certainly fail at extreme ends of the bell curve) and most doctors would be happy to say that it's not the be-all and end-all. Perhaps they could have done more about insurance using it as a hard-and-fast measure of fitness instead of appearing to whine about it being totally wrong because, HOLY CRAP, it was made by a Belgian - how fucking petty and xenophobic can you get? Then the "Fat People Olympics", sure they said it wasn't a serious controlled experiment but they made little of the fact that the "fat" guy who won was actually well built and stocky (you could tell he does weights because his upper arms were really toned) while their "skinny" guy was clearly just average and not athletic - and they at no point made even a mention about their real fat guy (jiggling moobs and all) didn't even complete the race. So did they actually prove their point that "fat people can be just as fit as thin people", no they didn't. I'd have liked them to cut the bullshit and concentrated perhaps on diet pills and the industry a lot more, but they seemed to brush over it - even at one point they seemed to actively endorse the idea that "ooh, science will just invent a pill one day so we'll be fine". It was quite good when they had a guy mention that yo-yo dieting was worse than being a stable weight, because that's true but again that's just sensible advice that they brush over rather than trying to look into. Then their historical analysis is a bit off, yes, we are evolved to eat a lot and put on weight, but that's efficiency from a time when food was scarce, not plentiful - and even the most pampered Kings of old who gorged themselves would have been a bit more physically active back then, even the likes of George IV who was famously a fat fucker (and even so, these were the exceptions, not the rule in the past). Then with more blurring of history, their picture of a "skinny farmhand" from the depression - hmmm, yes, he was skinny because he was starving in the depression, no contributing factors involving 12 hour days with a plow and walking everywhere rather getting into a car in the morning, driving everywhere, sitting at a desk all day and getting home just to sit down for 6 more hours motionless in front of a TV. And to top off their "being fat is okay" message? Have them sit in front of two naked (and pointedly thin) chicks. I'm all for the gratuitousness of what they've done in the past as it's often with their tongues firmly in their cheeks but that ending was frankly outright hypocritical, inconsistency is fine, but hypocrasy is unforgivable.

So I suppose I should ask anyone who has stuck with the show whether it's worth continuing watching it? They took all the proper bullshit (talking to the dead, psychics, creationism) in the first 2-3 series so they should have either gone back over the same topics in more depth (give them a 90+ minute special on psychics rather than 30 minutes, or perhaps their attention spans are shrinking these days), or called it a day rather than switching on to far more subjective things or just disagreeing with things for the sake of being controversial. User:Armondikov 17:23, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

The few episodes I have rented (!) must have been from later seasons, because, indeed, there was a lot of bullshit. Problem was, they were the ones spewing much of it. I should look into the earlier stuff I suppose. User:Human 18:12, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, yes. They are two highly non-stupid men, but the show could be better renamed "Bollocks". Surely they could have done so much better - David Gerard (talk) 18:39, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, initially I thought this was going to be an interesting show, but the Libertarian agenda kept busting through the fucks and assorted gratuitous nudity. In the end, the big yelling fuck annoyed the hell out of me (hard to be annoyed by Teller really), and I thought they were just another rent-a-mouth. Libertarian != liberal. DogPMarmite Patrol 22:29, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Ironically teller is by far the better speaker. Very fluid and very quick on his feet, and a much nicer sounding voice as well. --Opcn (talk) 05:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
In their defence, I've got around to a bit more of series 5 and that has their WalMart episode in, which is okay, but a little underwhelming. And I'm at the beginning of one about New Age detox that looks like it may be returning to barking up the right tree, rather than barking at any tree they see. User:Armondikov 09:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I usually like your contributions Armondikov but that massive block of text just made my eyes glaze over. User:Lily The Pink 12:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
It was longer than I intended. I retrospectively apologise for it. However, I'm onto the ADA episode and they seem to be back at it after a good run addressing exorcism and colonic irrigation. Why is helping disabled bullshit? GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT GOVERNMENT!!! Nice reasoning Mr Shouty. I'm considering starting at episode 1 and writing mini reviews for RW, just to see if there is a decline in rationalism throughout or if people are just more aware of their politics now. User:Armondikov 12:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Go for it. by all means.Ryantherebel (talk) 13:21, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Us women - it's all our fault[edit]

- earthquakes, that is. Hat tip User:Toast 21:42, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Meanwhile in the west: (Pat Robertson reveals the true causes of Haiti's Earthquake) Sen (talk) 22:02, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
(EC) I'm amazed that (a) it isn't a Poe and, (b) that there are people who will actually believe it. User:Tetronian 22:04, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Every time someone mentions Pat Robertson, I think of "Sex with Ducks". User:Kektklik 22:11, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Ah ha! It seems that women were to blame for the Asian Tsunami as well!--BobSpring is sprung! 22:45, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
Blokes often ask whether the earth moved for me when we have had sex. If it did, then surely it was their fault? User:Lily The Pink 04:42, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
If they need to ask.... User:Human 07:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Too right Hu. Normally they are only interested in their own satisfaction. User:Lily The Pink 12:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Reminds me of a joke: "Orgasms are like opinions, mine is more important and I don't care if she has one" User:Crundy 12:53, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
A friend was saying yesterday how she gets pissed off when her boyfriend finishes and she doesn't. She just shouts at him afterwards. I called her a feminist and reminded her that in old days women weren't allowed to have orgasms. User:SuperJosh 13:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
That's why two girls (without one cup!) works so well. 13:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC) User:Toast
"Did the earth move for me?" - David Gerard (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Use head with desk, repeat.[edit]

My mom believes that the governments knew about the incoming meteor over Wisconsin and Iowa, and that the only reason it exploded was because they shot it out of the air with a missile. User:Javascap 23:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

It is okay Javascap, we all have family like that. User:Π 23:57, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
My condolences. Here, have a beer - David Gerard (talk) 00:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm sure she must have heard that from somewhere else. User:Lily The Pink 04:43, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

This bit of vandalism made me chuckle...[edit]

This right here. Remember when CUR said he was going to "join Anonymous" to fight Scientology? It's good to see there's at least one person out there who's even more clueless than CUR was about Anonymous. P-Foster (talk) 00:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hah! Raistuumum (talk) 01:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I can't believe I'm saying this, But I want CUR back. He was entertaining. Remember the Therian incident? That was some good, old-fashioned HCM right there. Now all we have in terms of resident n00bs is SuperJosh and WarronStupidity, or whatever his name is. They're nowhere near as entertaining. --User:Theemperor 01:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
don't talk behind me back! Waronstupidity (talk) 06:58, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Which one are you? User:Human 06:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Warren (as I now dub) is a decided step down from CUR, as he will shortly remind us by starting yet another topic in the Bar.--User:AD 09:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Warren Terra, no. Mustie, quite perhaps. User:Human 09:18, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
There's a certain art to my n00bing, O Terrible Emperor, the kind of endowment which the genius covet and the insane lament. In my defence I don't n00b anywhere near as badly anymore as Waron does. Now I'm just another user, as annoying as you or Mustex. User:SuperJosh 10:35, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
We can't still be referring to SJ as a n00b can we? His Wiki-Fu has improved immesurably. User:Crundy 10:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I sometimes feel sorry for Mustie. Although he's a self-admitted Christian he does take on the nutters, often with little support or encouragement from other RWians. User:Lily The Pink 12:52, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Awesome template at WP[edit]

[5] Should we port it here? User:Human 03:47, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

It looks good but is probably more effort than it's worth. Can't Nx automate it? User:Lily The Pink 04:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Sadly, as usual, it template:outdent needs more than just copying. Looks like it needs some css tweaking to work. Just that two people used it there recently, and it is very cool and shiny. User:Human 05:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Must get. --Opcn (talk) 05:49, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Smiley.gif. User:Π 05:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Who ruined my wiki by crapping up that template? User:Π 05:51, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Wow, I'm surprised WP would allow such a bloated and completely unnecessary template... -- Nx / talk 08:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
It's very nice. Just because you wouldn't allow us to use it doesn't mean the gorilla of wikis wouldn't. User:Human 08:37, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Umm, no. It's your wiki, I don't care if you want the saloon bar to load a few seconds slower because you want your bling, but on WP things are a bit different, and I thought they'd at least make substing this template mandatory. -- Nx / talk 08:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Also, I think I tracked down the problem: padleft in Mw1.14 doesn't handle unicode multibyte characters. Not sure why it causes the entire page contents to be blanked though. -- Nx / talk 08:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


There, it's fixed -- Nx / talk 08:57, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

F'ing awesome. We work so well together. So how do we force it to subst itself? I better go copy the doccies I spose and also give the CCxSA credit to the poufs at pickyweedia? User:Human 09:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
{{subst:expand:outdent|6}}, but it still craps out a lot of code. -- Nx / talk 09:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Right, it doesn't paste in the "result", it pastes in the whole pile of shit? User:Human 09:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
No, it pastes in the result, which is a whole pile of shit. -- Nx / talk 09:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Then it will fit right in. Can we (I mean you) edit the template so it automatically substs itself, leaving a simple pile of shit on pages rather a template to be parsed? User:Human 09:32, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Subst:expand: works for now, with MW1.16 we can lose the expand part and make it work with just subst. But I'm not even sure which is worse, leaving it as a transclusion (this one template alone isn't really going to affect performance drastically, except when it is edited because of the job queue filling up (assuming it is used a lot)), or dumping a whole bunch of code on the page. -- Nx / talk 09:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
I doubt it will be used much. People rarely unindent/outdent here anyway, and after this section gets archived, only you, me, and that bastid Dave Gerard will even know it exists. Oh, and some fellow made of pie. User:Human 09:56, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
It helps to remember that Wikimedia makes this appalling shit work with (a) a metric fuckton of Apache servers (b) something to kill templates that run longer than twenty seconds. Yo' Wiki so fat, it were started by Jumbo Whales - David Gerard (talk) 09:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
True, but they also have a lot more traffic. Anyway, I was referring to my disdain of signature templates. Yes, I know, noone cares, I'll shut up now. -- Nx / talk 10:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Brilliant. It's just a shame that it's far more hassle to type that then just not typing any colons. Not as pointless as some of Ed Poors efforts though. User:DeltaStar 11:50, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Only nearly as pointless, I noticed on the talkpage our old friend Tony Sideways unilaterally blanked it as ugly. User:Π 11:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Why don't we make it a default for every post and then you don't need to count the indents. User:Lily The Pink 12:55, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Because it looks horrible. And you only need to insert a break when the previous post was unindented, in which case why the hell are you outdenting? -- Nx / talk 13:03, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
C'mon Nx, I was joking. User:Lily The Pink 13:13, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Or alternatively we can scrap Media Wiki and switch back to a VB, phpBB or SMF based forum that does all this stuff for you... Evilgrin0003.gif User:Armondikov 13:04, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Nah, I like MediaWiki. Besides, LiquidThreads! -- Nx / talk 13:07, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
EC) I saw it ages ago and contemplated bringing it over but thought it was rather horrid when you looked at the code, so left it unremarked. 13:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC) User:Toast

Spam Eruption[edit]

I've now had three of these messages (the first on Saturday) plugging Athens airport:

Volcano eruption: don’t let it affect your supply chain!!

Eyjafjallajokull Flight Cancelations… Difficult Name, Easy Solution!!!!

Good Morning / Good Afternoon / Good Evening,,

For all of you who are having urgent freights stuck throughout the whole Europe due to the volcanic eruption, Lymberpa is providing innovative and simultaneously Simple & Secure Logistics Solutions from Europe to the World!! Don’t wait for days until the eruption finishes, give TODAY a solution to your customers and get in front of your competitors!!

etc. etc.

Am I alone? User:Lily The Pink 07:12, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm surprised I'm not. I actually have to airmail some stuff to Europe shortly, wonder how that's going to work out... User:Human 08:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


just watched the movie and its fucking awesome, hope andy never take his eye on it because he might put it on the main page of his blog.Waronstupidity (talk) 08:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh no! Not that! Anything but that! -- Nx / talk 09:41, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Watched it on Sunday. Epic film. I had to laugh when the 11 year old girl says "So, which one of you cunts is next?". User:Crundy 09:46, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
Whatever happened to CAPAlerts? That's what I want to know - David Gerard (talk) 09:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


Anyone fancy coughing up $5 and getting qualified? User:Armondikov 10:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Hehe: 2.) Involvement in the occult includes:
a.) Patronizing psychics.
I guess all skeptics are involved in the occult then. User:Crundy 10:54, 20 April 2010 (UTC)


Wow, one of the director's sons works here part time basically doing fuck all to suppliment his uni cash, and has previously got his dad to make one of the developers here do his coursework (making a website) for him at the last minute, and he's now using eLance to pay someone to do another piece of his coursework (making a flash site). Best part is, he can't even be bothered to work out how to even use eLance and so he's been getting help from the senior dev here with it. He may get his degree in the end but he's going to be so fucked when he gets a job. User:Crundy 12:06, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I was a director's daughter at a firm for twelve years & had to work a whole lot more than anyone else to prove I was there on my own merits & not just 'cause of Papa. User:Toast 13:08, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
It's possible you weren't a spoilt brat - David Gerard (talk) 13:15, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Size matters[edit]

Fuck me, this page is getting long. User:Lily The Pink 13:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)