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Pi

This might (not) be of interest. 22:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)   ^Contribs_Talk

Way ahead of you. Thanks though. - π 22:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I knew about that, just thought ... 22:30, 10 March 2010 (UTC)   ^Contribs_Talk

Hugs for Susan, . - π 22:32, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

WikiFactor

This may be of interest: here I showed the wikifactors for cp, rw, and ask. I think that the factor of 1000 is a little bit arbitrary, so I added a line for the identity... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 11:30, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I see what you mean by a measure now. - π 08:44, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

What I wanted to say is that on the space of the measurable functions $\{f|X\rightarrow Y\}$, X a measure space, Y metric space,

$d_{\mu }=\inf\{r\geq 0;\mu (\{d(f,g)>r\})\leq r\}$

is a distance. This distance inspired the h-index, and thus the WikiFactor. I suppose the multiplier of 1000 is used to calculate the WikiFaktor more easily, i.e., from glancing at the list of the first couple of most viewed pages. But it isn't esthetically pleasing, IMO... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 13:02, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Britain at night

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We still have not recovered from our almost throwing up laughter. ħuman 07:51, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Good show, you crazy irrational number!!! That's fuckin' hilarious! AnarchoGoon ^{Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living} 07:54, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I would love to claim credit for it, but it is a bit of an old joke. English cricket fans sing songs about how we should get our stars off their flag. - π 08:43, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, you appeared to make the joke here, and Goony and I LOLd endlessly over it. So you get the credit, even if you didn't invent it. ħuman 08:50, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I have been working on a new flag to reflect our more recent political situation. What do you think? - π 11:59, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Better search engine

Remember you asked me to install a search engine that's not retarded like the default one? Well, I just did that. I realized that the search engine only has to index the current revisions... which is a measly 150 megabytes. And we probably have enough memory to handle that. -- Nx / talk 19:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Memory is cheap enough. Is it much trouble to run a wiki over more than one drive? - π 21:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how it works, documentation is a bit vague. I hope that it doesn't transfer the whole index every time it's updated between machines. That would be a huge waste of bandwidth. It would be better to just transfer updates to another server, which then handles indexing and searching, and just returns the results to the main server (or the user directly, the search is actually located here: http://rationalwiki.com:8123/search/rationa1_wiki/test) -- Nx / talk 22:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

You gonna do a "Help" page for that, NX? 21:26, 16 March 2010 (UTC) ^Contribs_Talk

You type stuff into the search box and it finds it better. There is not much you can write about it. - π 21:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

It's part of the talkpage template, just add search=yes. This was available before, but it sucked. Now it prioritizes section headers and it returns more relevant results. (the example search I linked to was what prompted me to do this - the old search engine was simply useless for searching the saloon bar archives) -- Nx / talk 22:04, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

new ARJ

If you get a chance, there's a new Answers article. I might get to it tomorrow.Šţěŗĭļė mini-chat-room-thingy 03:00, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Pibot not working

Did you change anything in Pibot recently? It's not archiving my talkpage, but when I ran it manually it worked, but threw out errors:

ERROR: Unexpected response from wiki server.
       302 (Found)

-- Nx / talk 11:01, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't touched it in ages, I'll have a look. - π 11:58, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't it funny that the one person it borked on is the one person here who might understand how it works? ħuman 08:47, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, I only asked if Pi did something to it recently. It's strange because a) it doesn't do this when it runs the normal archiving (you see, pibot runs twice, once for the ugly green box, and once for {{Talkpage/PibotHidden}}) b) 302 isn't actually an error and c) when I ran it manually it worked despite the error. So I'm waiting for its scheduled run to see if it fails again. -- Nx / talk 09:29, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought "ERROR" meant error, but I don't know my script returns like I should. I thought 302 was Delaware, anyway. ħuman 09:52, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it's like one of those the operation completed successfully errors on Windows. -- Nx / talk 10:08, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. ħuman 10:13, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, now it's throwing the same 302 error on other pages too (maybe I just didn't notice it last time), so that can't be it. I've edited the shell script that runs pibot to only run it once with both templates as parameters, maybe it'll work now. -- Nx / talk 09:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't a 302 a server has redirected? - π 10:00, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, don't know why it's doing that, maybe the family file isn't correct. -- Nx / talk 10:04, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Howdy.

I hope I've not made an enemy here already.

You mentioned giving me the benefit of doubt (and then deleted that line again). Ironically, that was my stance on this wiki during my first few days; but you guys proved my bad feelings wrong and showed me you're more reasonable than I initially gave you credit for. I think it's fair that I would have to show my merits to you in the same way. And I hope I won't disappoint either. Fyrius (talk) 13:26, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Nah, we're cool. My bad, I mistook you for someone else who used to grind this issue a lot. Not because he cared, but just to draw attention to himself. I am sure you will be a sysop and part of the group in a matter of days. I look forward to seeing what you bring here. - π 13:29, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate that. :) Fyrius (talk) 13:33, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Conservapirating...

Thanks, I was looking for something that said that....P-Foster (talk) 01:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

I am part of the party

I just forgot my password. --129.19.137.241 (talk) 14:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

MediaWiki is Cc-by-sa

No, it's GPL [2], but I think you're allowed to license screenshots of GPL software under whatever license you want - of course this becomes blurry when the screenshot contains e.g. interface art that's licensed under e.g. cc-by-sa, so I'm not sure. -- Nx / talk 11:28, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Well I suppose it is a derivative work, if that makes a difference. - π 11:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Blender.org says:

"To enable documention (like books) with author copyrights, screenshots of GNU GPL applications are considered to be licensed as an author wishes. However, this only goes for the screenshot as a "whole", as an illustration of how the software works. Individual items in a screenshot (such as icons) are still GPL."

Can't be bothered to check the actual license text. -- Nx / talk 11:40, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting, but I guess in the case, of say a book, id the author the books author or the images? - π 11:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

Thanks! Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 13:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Seems to be broken now, though. Can you take another look? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 13:54, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh, nevermind. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 13:56, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Π is faster than Goonie

Here I was in the process of archiving the talkpage for Active users, and you beat me by seconds! Lord of the Goons ^{The official spikey-haired skeptical punk} 00:38, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Pi is nearly as fast as Mei. I don't think it is really a Pibot job as it only gets a new thread about once a month. - π 00:41, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps, but I set the archive settings high so that nobody forgets to archive it later on in life. Punky ^{Your mental puke relief} 00:43, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Oops, I just unset it, ... fixed. - π 00:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Trolling

Cover story Are we discussing this somewhere, or are you just doing whatever you feel like? I'd just like to be able to follow the story instead of wonder what the bots are doing. PS, your upside down talk page is like, the worst idea ever. ħuman 08:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

thanks!

sor setting up pibot for me :-)Waronstupidity (talk) 08:45, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for being the first person to use my new section system. - π 08:57, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

grow the fuck up.

and learn to understand Sarcasm. Waronstupidity (talk) 05:40, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Why are you leaving this crap on two pages, Waron? - π 05:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

dont know because im a wiki noob and wanted to be sure you know how pissed i am at you! :-) Waronstupidity (talk) 05:44, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

w

Instead of adding a page to that list whenever you want to do that, you could have a new page like [[RationalWiki:Capturebot shopping list]] where people would just add the links they want to snap. Mei (talk) 04:54, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

You can do that at User:Capturebot2/sandbox. - π 04:55, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

OK. Why is your page upside down? Mei (talk) 04:57, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

I like it that way, new messages go at the top like pretty much any forum or email inbox. - π 04:58, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

So true..

"The Schlafly bible" picture. Awesome. teh rational ghey (talk) 15:44, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Undocumented images and hiddencat

these subcats should be hiddencats (using {{hiddencat}}). Also sorting them by month (like Category:Conservapedia screencaps) would be nice -- Nx / talk 21:55, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'll get on to that when I get home this evening. - π 01:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay I have changed all the cats, it might take a while for the images to move into their new cats. - π 09:25, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you sneaky bastards breaking my wiki behind my back??? Or just making it better, better, better, yeah? ħuman 16:17, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Reading the Blues

Good work in your sandbox there, any reason why it's not in the article proper? DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 13:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I did ask on the talkpage, but I'll just port across if you like it. - π 13:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

A present for you...

$\scriptstyle \int _{-1}^{1}{\sqrt {1+{\frac {dy}{dx}}({\sqrt {1-x^{2}}})^{2}}}dx$ --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 00:00, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Oooh, thank you, I am always for new πs. - π 04:18, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Caucasian Vs White

I swich between them becuase it gets boring using white over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. 110.32.131.13 (talk) 07:32, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

P.S. I know that wasn't nessacery, I just find it funny. :-)

Well your clear lack of understanding on the topic leaves me think you are too ignorant to even know what you are talking about. - π 07:36, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

What? Why are you being so rude? And what "clear lack of understanding on the topic"? 110.32.131.13 (talk) 07:38, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Your conflation of white and Caucasian. This is my talk page and I'll be as rude as I fucking like to you - you racist little maggot. - π 07:40, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Well, Carlton Coon treated them as the same. Any more rudness from you and I will not be responding to any more posts. You should have a block warning for those comments. 110.32.131.13 (talk) 07:44, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't need your response, I can point out your idiocy without you helping by creating more. - π 07:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Naw, it's his talk page, he has he right to tell you bugger off. Especially as you are a stupid bugger. Now I'm confused, am I white, or just Celtic, or, really, out of Africa? Yes, I may be pale, but great - (etc) - great grandmommy was brown. PS, Pi, your talk page is upside down... ħuman 07:49, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

This is the exact reason that most sensible people prefer to define based on "ethnicity" rather than "race". The former is a far more nuanced category that takes a lot more information, and more meaningful information, into account. ^moral 12:13, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

amusing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi_bond well I thought so anyway. ħuman 04:58, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I have never heard of that, I might have to have a read. - π 04:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

protips

• .doc is more efficient than span.doc, and the span part is unnecessary (unless you want to have something like div.doc that does something different)
• the child selector (>) is much more efficient than the descendant selector

-- Nx / talk 11:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. - π 11:54, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Help (birther)

I wrote a section for Birther on the largest and most recent court hearing and uploaded a PDF of the judge's summary and ruling, but I don't know how to link it properly. Would you mind guiding me through it?

Also, is there a better way/place/person to ask for help?

Thanks. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 16:36, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

To display a specific page, use page=number, e.g. (you can use the same parameters you would use with an image, e.g. thumb):

[[File:Court ruling regarding case against Obama.pdf|page=2|thumb]]

To link to it without displaying it, put a colon before the name, e.g.:

[[:File:Court ruling regarding case against Obama.pdf|Court ruling regarding case against Obama]]

Court ruling regarding case against Obama

-- Nx / talk 16:40, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I have moved the section to Obama citizenship denial as it fits better there. Birthers is a fork article as it was getting quite long. - π 00:15, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

catbot

Wow, talk about burying acrimony in... something. What the hell is catbot doing? (too lazy to look at one diff) ħuman 06:47, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I get it now, your americanizing "licence" to "license"? Oh, ye shall feel the wrath of the brits when they wake up in a few hours. ħuman 06:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

(EC2x)It is just avoiding a template redirect that seems to be causing a problem with categories. While it is at it, I am looking for old WIGO captures that still seem to be misplaced. (EC) I like my sections like that. - π 06:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Why are we at the top of your talk page? Is that a new thing you like? I thought I added this at the bum, and then moved it to the toilet again, and here it is pooping on the top of your page! Must be the way you like it...? ħuman 07:17, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

There is a magicword that places it at the top. When we upgrade to 1.16 we will get liquid threads which will put the most recent conversation at the top (I think). - π 07:19, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Bad idea because it fucks up how every talk page ever that we are used to works. Nice trick, though. ħuman 07:43, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Liquid threads looks more like a forum than a wiki talkpage. - π 07:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Might just be a good thing to get used to, like how firefox now adds tabs next to the live one, instead of way the fuck off to the right. ħuman 07:54, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Check it out, it will put Pibot out of a job. - π 07:56, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Pibot password

Plz to email me -- Nx / talk 00:54, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sent. - π 00:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately the svn version of pywikipediabot is giving me problems, so I'm uploading the one I have on my computer, but it's going to take a while. I'll email you once I've sorted everything out. -- Nx / talk 01:10, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

If we go over to liquid threads, and if it is even needed, I'll write a Perl version of Pibot that just moves the thread to an archive page, it won't even have to edit the page. - π 01:16, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Liquidthreads breaks talkpages down into pages, and when you move a thread it leaves a notice with the link to where it has been moved (e.g.), so moving threads to an archive would be kinda pointless, as it would still leave a bunch of placeholder threads. -- Nx / talk 01:20, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Pibot can go back to doing odd jobs for me. - π 01:21, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

email

^{(I am a person not a template)} 05:10, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Odd to see you top post as opposed to add new section. ħuman 05:30, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

He's set "add section" to adding @ the top instead of bottom,, it seems. ^{(I am a person not a template)} 05:34, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, ok. ħuman 06:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay I have found it now - it was in my Gmail spam folder. Don't you have my uni account's address? - π 12:04, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Cover category on talk pages

MediaWiki has a bug in that category membership is sometimes not updated properly when the template that adds the category is changed. To fix it, edit the page and click save - no new revision will be recorded, since you didn't change anything, but it will run the category update (even though it shouldn't do that...go figure) -- Nx / talk 15:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Covers

I assume you're going through and redoing most of them now. I don't have time to finish all the abstracts so will just leave you to it, but Catbot added the cover template to the atheism talk page and now that's popping up in the testing area. I assume you're aware of that and this is all work in progress. ^moral 14:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, you got rid of the cat while I was typing this. ^moral 14:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

They will be included by the gold brain now. - π 14:12, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Four dead in Ohio

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

In case my writings haven't made it easy to find. As I recall you were very emotional about my response to that OZ/NZ memoriam. Funny I can't find it at Template:Holydaze now. ANZAC, was it? Sometimes "people who died" tears us all apart, I don't mean to edit war. But a "stupid" star wars joke on a day that is sad to some? Not so cool. ħuman 07:16, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

PS, your upside-down talk page structure is really fucked up. It is different than every wiki talk page ever that I have encountered. But, it's your talk page, so whatever... ħuman 07:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

That is okay, may be make the template a little more descriptive so those of us who don't know do know. - π 07:36, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Good point, just as I was offensive because I didn't know what ANZAC was, the template should link to a place that explains it and not depend on the curious user googling it. I will try and make better now. ħuman 07:42, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Burning TK's talk page archives?

Whazzat? P-Foster (talk) 01:07, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Pibot has been archiving the page since it has been locked, the only problem is the page is locked so each day it goes back and archives the same thing again and can't change the talkpage. - π 01:11, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Fuckin' Pibot. I never liked that guy. P-Foster (talk) 01:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I emailed you about that a couple of weeks ago. Did you not get the email? –SuspectedReplicant retire me 01:22, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

It was in my spam folder. I was wondering why nobody seems to email me, I thought you all just didn't like me. - π 01:24, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice cover story! tmtoulouse 01:31, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, classic. I will save "It was in my spam folder. I was wondering why nobody seems to email me, I thought you all just didn't like me." for my all-purpose excuse. It's so much better than "I might have been drunk at the time". ħuman 07:18, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

If I had found the email earlier it would have been one archive page of mess rather than five. - π 07:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

My current job, which is really good and I like a lot? The email saying I had the online test (two hours to go in and fix a deliberately-broken system) got lost in my spam for two weeks until I went looking (shudder) - David Gerard (talk) 08:11, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

"It was in my spam folder" is actually a classic TK excuse.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 09:54, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

catbot

Did not work from what I can tell. Actually was disaster. Please turn off and run undocatbot robot? ħuman 07:25, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

It has moved template {{cover}} to the talkpage and create an edit notice for all the cover stories. - π 07:46, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, well, that's all good and all, but how come we didn't discuss this complete change of process? Oh, yeah, because you thought it made sense and could run a bot to do it. Forgive me for interfering. PS, this top-posting talk page thing is really fucking stupid. ħuman 08:10, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean beside here? - π 08:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Didn't know we decided anything there, but I am reviewing now.... ħuman 08:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Nope, I see no decisions on anything there. Sorry to pee on your parade. ħuman 08:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean you don't hang on RecentChanges? For shame! - David Gerard (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Silly Pi, you forgot ask Human for permission to ruin his wiki. -- Nx / talk 08:26, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, there's that, too. ħuman 08:59, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

What happened between us?

"...I disagree with RA as a general rule."[3]

As recently as a year ago I recall us occasionally agreeing on things. Why do you hate me now? ;____; Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 13:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I was just teasing. It was mostly because you were the last person to vote no before me. - π 13:14, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh. 'Cause I kept trying to remember when I last peed in your Cheerios or something. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 13:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

No, we are cool. - π 13:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think you'll find its......

"I don't want to belabour the point". Aceⁱ⁹ 07:37, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay, my bad. - π 08:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Its OK but, you know, it is kinda embarrassing for you. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

At least I have enough self-awareness to be embarrassed. Ken actually believes he wins arguments. - π 08:26, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I declare utter victory over Pi! Ole! Ole! Ole! Aceⁱ⁹ 08:32, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

So yours is the only wiki talk page in history to have new sections made at the top. Awesome. That makes everything so much easier. ħuman 10:41, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

No, Javascap's is the first, he moved sections manually to the top before I made the extension for him (and for someone who requested it at mediawiki.org). -- Nx / talk 10:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Nx is right! I declare utter victory over Human :) Ole! Etc! Etc! Aceⁱ⁹ 10:47, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Cover story editnotices

Please move them out of mediawiki space and under Template:Editnotices as described on Template:Editnotice load, so we don't use two different systems. Keep in mind that Template:Editnotices are also displayed when you view the source, so you should either change the message (e.g. this page is protected because it's a cover story on the main page etc.) or not display anything when viewing source. Also also it would make sense to add the notice at the top of Andrew Schlafly to the editnotice (but keep it on the article too, since it explains why the article is devoid of humer) -- Nx / talk 15:12, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh and, they're not displayed on subpages, unlike the editnotices in mediawiki space. -- Nx / talk 15:13, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Laffer

The current US tax system is an embarrassment. I graphed what people pay in fed taxes a year or two ago, and due to the 15% payroll tax, it's almost a "flat tax". At 10k you pay 30%, at 1,000k you pay under 40%. It's a fucking crime. PS, I archived that thing you kept restoring on my talk page. ħuman 03:02, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

PS, the people making 1M also can afford fancy accountants to dodge taxes; also also, your talk page is upside down. ħuman 03:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I have had a read of the paper, I think you will find my next edit interesting. - π 03:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, since I pulled the number out of my ass. Nice work. ħuman 03:27, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

The 70% top tax bracket is close to right according to the Swedish study. The biggest problem with the US is how far down the tax burden is. The top tax bracket should not be 38% for people earning over $250,000. It is not a bad mark though. People over $500,000 should be paying of the order 43%, people over a million, more than 50% and people earning in the tens of millions 70%. That way you can afford to remove or shift some of the lower tax brackets. - π 03:31, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, and people making 20k should not be paying 30% - plus local taxes. Amazing we haven't edit conflicted over there, a real relief to me and you I'm sure also. Since I spend 5 minutes at a time, what was the word at Awk, denigrating your English? :) ħuman 03:34, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Since I spend 5 minutes at a time, what was the word at Awk, denigrating your English?That was a joke. I think our tax rate could do with some smoothing at the bottom. I am sure we had a 7% rate once for people under 22k a year. And I think there was a 52% once as well. - π 03:39, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I know it was a joke, you replied as such. I just couldn't remember the exact phrase and can't be arsed to go to the aRk again today to chase the exact quote. The 5 minute thing was how long I've been keeping the laugher curve article open to edit. People under 22k shouldn't pay any damn taxes at all, they are barely getting by. OK, sure, 10%. But only if 700-gajillionaires pay a genuine 70%. Oh, have we even talked about the "capital gains tax" in the US yet? It's like 20% or sumthin, and that's the tax on people who make their money by playing with huge piles of money. ħuman 03:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

In Australia capital gain get added to your income for tax purposes. - π 03:51, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

And in US they want to cut it. Keep in mind we have an exemption for profit on homeownership as long as you buy another house. Also there'e a one-time exemption for taking the money and banking it. ħuman 04:03, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Our exemption for home ownership is if you owned it for more than 13 months and I think there might also be a residency requirement. - π 04:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I think we have similar provisions. Basically it to not tax people on the increase in value of their homes, which probably makes sense, since most of that gain is inflation anyway. ħuman 05:05, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Keeper of the keys

People are nominating you for an important job at Forum:Keepers of the keys. Please could you go there and give an opinion? Thanks. Totnesmartin (talk) 21:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

YAY

thanks!! rational ghey (send a message) 00:53, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

A favour

Hi buddy, I always fuck up my oversighting and I realised there is no Help file for it. Do you wanna gimmie a run down and/or create a help file? Thanks mate, you are true blue mate. Bet you can't wait to see Robin Hood. Aceⁱ⁹ 04:44, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I bet I can. - π 04:53, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Could you re-crat me so I can get some screenshots? - π 04:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Done, thanks. Do you think Robin Hood will be better than Master and Commander? Aceⁱ⁹ 04:58, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I haven't seen Master and Commander so I can't say. - π 05:00, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I saw "A Dingo Stole My Baby" once. I think there was a really big fucking rock in it. And a dingo. And some whiny mummy lost or threw away her baby. I think. ħuman 05:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought Aborigones stole and traded the baby for a litre of kerosene and some small pox infested blankets? That might have been Its a Wonderful Life though. I get confused. Aceⁱ⁹ 05:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay is this useful or a pile of koala droppings? - π 06:01, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Useful, thanks Pi!!! Aceⁱ⁹ 06:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Smells like eucalyptus spirit. Move to a help page? Or at least the crat manual? ħuman 02:16, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

If you want it. - π 02:17, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea having it be easy to find. Probably the crat manual would be best. A simple link to your subpage would be enough I think. ħuman 02:41, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Template

Much better, thank you. --Leotardo (talk) 02:51, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

No worries. - π 02:52, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Blue

Your instinct might be right with respect to blue, actually. ^moral 09:38, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

'tis nice. - π 09:40, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry

I apologize if I was a bitch recently. I hope you can find it in your heart or liver to forgive me. ħuman 09:06, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

That is alright. - π 09:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. I hope to prove the earnership of your forgiveness in the future. ħuman 09:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to earn it, you had it before. - π 09:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

That's the nicest thing anyone has said to me me here lately. Thank you. ħuman 09:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

coverstory

Also, can we add a magic link from the summaries to their pages? So if someone (like me) makes the summary better, we can easily have one-click shopping to make same repairs to article itself? And what are you doing up so early? ħuman 08:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

PS your talk page is upside down ;) But so is your geography, I guess... makes sense? ħuman 08:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Early? It is getting on to evening here, I think the sun has set now, yep, it is dark, I hate winter. Yeah it is cling onto the underside of the world that does that, everything is upside down but you get use to it. - π 08:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, it's getting light out. I get confused about time. ħuman 09:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

English-Only Movement

You make the demand that this is a community project, and thus my opinion doesn't matter, yet you revert saying "I like it like this". Hypocrisy, welcome to it. Braille is not another language, it's simply a different mode of writing English. Why not include English written in Cyrillic, or Kanas, or any other Alphabet/Abjad/orthographic system? Because it's just English. --Eira ^omtg! The Goat be praised. 02:41, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I was taking offence to your attitude that you can override the opinions of the other 3 or 4 people that have commented and said they liked it because you (the sole person against) think your argument it better and you are a sysop. That might be the way things work at Wikipedia, but that does not hold water here. - π 03:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

There were not 3 or 4 other people... there was you. It's a wiki... content is added, removed, modified in an editorial combat... I think it's kind of retarded though, that you think you know how things work around here better than a janitor. --Eira ^omtg! The Goat be praised. 03:59, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Pi's been active continuously for what, over three years? Just because you're a janitor who pops in once in a while doesn't mean you know how things work. Although, I hope your comment was tongue-in-cheek. ħuman 04:12, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm perfectly fine that he knows what's going on, and has been around more than I have, particularly recently... my point to him is that his arguments apply entirely exactly to his own position as well. So, if you're going to tell someone "you don't get to dictate what this article is", then don't turn around and say "I like it this way." You just invalidate your own argument right from the start... --Eira ^omtg! The Goat be praised. 05:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

You do make a valid point. But a reminder to you that, just because someone is a sysop doesn't mean they are a special kind of editor. But, back to topic, from an outsider's perspective, if there is a disagreement about how an article should be and you guys are reverting eachother, the talkpage is a good place to sort out your differences. AnarchoGoon ^{Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living} 05:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Talk page debate was started the same time as I made my original edit. I put in all the details about why I dropped the Braille, and binary. Pi described it as a "non sequitur". And I still do not see the worth of either the Braille or binary, because they're simply a cipher of English... why not rot-13, or Caesar cipher? The point is to be ANTI-English in the article... it was the whole joke. If you all want to self-destruct the joke, then whatever... mob rule... but seriously... --Eira ^omtg! The Goat be praised. 06:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

(EC)Cry, cry, cry. Whine, whine, whine. Can you discuss this somewhere were I don't get a yellow box informing me about it? - π 06:30, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm. Looking into this a bit deeper, I do see you point. However, I think that binary and Braile are, technically, different languages entirely from English. Punky ^{Your mental puke relief} 06:29, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Gold

Yes it was, but then was downgraded as frankly, it became a bit shit. It's better now. ^moral 19:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Rudd

What's going on over there? Rudd is facing down his own party? Aceⁱ⁹ 22:54, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I haven't been following it, but it seems pretty fucking weird. Rudd is still more popular than Abbott, Labour is still polling better that the Libreals, but I was watching TV last night and they cut to parliament to showed Julia Gillard walking into the Prime Minister's office with Steven Faulkner, a real party heavy-weight. They are going into vote now; Julia seems to have the big factional leaders around her. - π 22:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmmm I always assumed Rudd was popular. Aceⁱ⁹ 23:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

He was popular enough with the electorate, he was slipping a bit, but that had more to do with policy than himself. Gillard has been a support of every policy, so I don't see what changing to her is going to achieve, I doubt she is as popular outside of party insiders. - π 23:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks like he buckled. - π 23:39, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I am always amazed how fast Wikipedia gets changed. - π 23:55, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm replying on a subpage instead of Community Standards

I don't feel comfortable presently, replying on that page. You and Weaseliod seem annoyed with me. I don't know if Human is joking about putting me on the blacklist with MC. I would like not to be "black bagged" if possible. I put a reply to you here instead (so you don't have to worry about something passing in your apathy, for example). Lumenos (talk) 03:11, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Your English is so good, how could anyone escape you? ħuman 06:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Are you saying that my comment contains bad grammar? Lumenos (talk) 07:03, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

The expression is "black balled" referring to the old Greek tradition of voting with black and white balls being placed in urns, often used when voting to exile someone. Are you creating a fork of the discussion and to what ends? You seem to be deliberately filibustering this whole discussion. - π 12:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

:-) Thanks Pi. I was worried that if I keep posting on that page I might be accused of something like "filibustering". The concept is very strange to me, to be applying to a wiki. How is it possible that no matter what I do I am preventing everyone else from doing something, because I suppose they have to read what I write? Why don't you pretend I don't exist if you are trying to get something else done? Lumenos (talk) 12:21, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Go fuck yourself

Why don't you? 86.40.195.67 (talk) 08:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have to fuck your mum first, then your grandma, aunt, that young lady you see everyday that you fancy but can never work up the nerve to talk to and so forth. I won't be able to get around to fucking myself until next week - π 08:53, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Touché. Got the 'But I already screwed your mom' thing in before me. 86.40.195.67 (talk) 09:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I got it in before your dad too. - π 10:48, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Lets speak man to man here for a moment. Just two guys wondering whats going on. Wondering why they're persecuted. Lets ponder this for a moment. Why do you allow Gerard to get away with the things he does? He is clearly not a rationalwikian, he is a wikipedia, and has an ultra big cock complex after migrating from there. Why exactly is he tolerated? 86.40.200.55 (talk) 11:50, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't so much as let him do what he wants, as not care what he does. I rarely encounter him in my day to day editing. - π 11:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Have you no principles? I can overlook the fact that you ignore him, because he has negative charisma, but for Gods sake, he doesn't have any respect for any RW institutions or concepts. Better to ban him and get rid. 86.40.200.55 (talk) 11:57, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Can't sorry. When I realised my dick wouldn't fall off just because I didn't have any wiki powers, I gave them up. I think I went some way to fucking this site up. I thought by making everyone sysops I would neutralise their powers, but it just made crats more important and they are a lot harder to get rid of. - π 12:01, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Might I suggest policy? ~ That blind moron (talk) 13:41, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

No. - π 13:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

It seems that if we had policies that had "widespread" support (in atheist or skeptic subcultures) that we might be able to overthrow any corrupt bureaucrats, if not here then we might convince some to start a new wiki or post to a different one (perhaps Wikipedia, Wikinfo, or Wikiversity). ~ That blind moron (talk) 13:55, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Our policies do have widespread support, you are just to obtuse to realise it. Why don't you go implement your stupid ideas at your own wiki? - π 13:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

It sounded like you thought that you have a problem with corruption here. That would seem to indicate your policies did not have widespread support. ~ That blind moron (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I am still waiting on you to transfer me sysop powers, like you had agreed to earlier. 86.45.201.141 (talk) 13:52, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't have any sysop powers to transfer to you. - π 13:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Who are you? ~ That blind moron (talk) 13:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

He is our troll. - π 13:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean by troll?

My list of names associated with trolling: MarcusCicero, Neveruse, Cheerleader not Troll. ("Names" may not be exact.)

~ That blind moron (talk) 14:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Neveruse is not a troll. By troll I mean goes around offending community members for his own entertainment/to cause them discomfort (the two are not mutually exclusive). - π 14:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you mind if I copy your comment to Lumeniki? I like to gather people's personal "definitions" or "examples" so I can figure out what they mean. ~ That blind moron (talk) 15:24, 26 June 2010 (UTC)