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Word. Always good to see a fellow Canuck do well. PFoster 13:23, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

I always love a "Local Girl Does Good and Doesn't Notice" story. --Kels 13:27, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

I liked yours better[edit]

I was going to WIGO it too, my "copy" was supposed to be "Rarer than ID logic...a sysop's...nay, even Schlafly's apology!" but yourn's made me actually LOL. Watch out for dem big ol' hail stones. CЯacke® 13:34, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

I gots my steel umbrelly, don't you worry. --Kels 13:43, 25 May 2008 (EDT)

Foolish of me[edit]

I posted this in the wrong area so rolled it back and post it here. Where can I fond aschlafly on Are you able to direct me? Thanking you Ace McWicked 22:27, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

Search the forum thingie for "Schlafly". If you get too much Roger & Phyllis, do "Andy Schlafly", or "AndyS" (I think that's what he edited under). Nope, looks like "Andy", who said this: "Regarding your article on bombarder beetles, you claim to have borken down the evolutionary steps so that each step is bebneficial. However, even the least of these steps is an impossibilty of science. Mutations do not create new genetic matrial. They alter what is already there! Therefore, no new organs could evr develop. Also, 99.99% of mutations are harmful, and the net effect of mutations is NEGATIVE! Also, natural selecion only chooses which organisms survive, in no way does it alter the DNA. Speaking of DNA, it binds the organism into certain barriers, only allowing it to 'bend' so far to one side of a trait to another. This has been proved by countless experiments on fruit flys, which, though they are put through everything imaginable; they still only produce more fruit flys! Real science does not lie!" ħumanUser talk:Human 22:35, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
I also see I searched under "Andysch" before. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:36, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, "andysch" is the proper search term. Be sure not to miss his argument with native French speakers about interpreting the French language, his claims about the flood causing the Devil's Tower and his insistence that the Scopes trial was ended so that the public didn't find out about him teaching eugenics (which was legal and positively viewed by the lawmakers at the time). Roger's pretty bad too, and they generally worked as a team. --Kels 23:04, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
Yah, Devil's Mountain (featured on license plates and quarters) was his finest (loserest) day. IMHO. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:58, 28 May 2008 (EDT)


Hi Kels....

Are you still in the webcomic biz? I have a great idea. Do you know "Wikiworld?" (Here's a sample, scroll down to see the comic) - it's short illustrated comic versions of Wikipedia articles. My girl just showed it to me, and one thought came immediately to mind: Conservaworld. Let's do it....PFoster 22:02, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, the comic I was doing is on hold while I work on making my work, well, not suck. I've come a long way, especially recently, and hopefully I'll be able to start something towards the end of the year. I'm starting college in the fall, it's a one-year comics and illustration course, so if I can work hard enough you should see some really impressive stuff at this end. This and this are a lot more representative of where my head's at right at the moment, plus the usual compliment of naked chicks. But gimme time, I'll get there. --Kels 22:21, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Beta testing request[edit]

Please? --λινυσ() 22:02, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

I can try, I guess. What do you need me to do? --Kels 22:15, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
Sign up and find something to rant about, then tell me what functionality you need to do so most optimally. --λινυσ() 22:37, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
Well, I haven't got the concentration to do it tonight, but I'll see if I can give it a go tomorrow. No guarantees, though. --Kels 22:49, 1 June 2008 (EDT)
That's fine, thanks. --λινυσ() 23:01, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

jpg screenshot[edit]

You should know better! And surely as an illustator, you have easy access to png... Oh well, we all make misteaks. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:48, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

I was trying to keep the file size down, png is bigger. And I'm an aspiring illustrator at this point. Although this time next year, I'll be a Certified Artist. --Kels 21:59, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
PNG8? & limit to 4 colours? (or even 4 colour gif ) :) SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:02, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
Fair enough. I'm not terribly used to using png in the first place, and the jpg seemed to work out well enough. --Kels 22:12, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
png is not bigger than jpg... anyway, quick course I got schooled in. jpg is for images with subtle changes in color (ie, photos), and renders sharp edges really badly. gif is awesome for line drawings, etc. png is a great compromise, it compresses like hell, but does not make those awful jpg artifacts next to sharp edges. Anyway, for screenshots, png works really well - keeps the colors, etc., doesn't muck up with artifacts, and makes a reasonable file size. No big deal, just passing along the endless schooling I've been put through over image file types. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:21, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
PS, re filesize, jpg size depends on the amount of compression. You might want to check your defaults. Overdo it, and sure it's smaller. But it's also a mess... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:22, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
Right on H! (there's also 2 flavours of png - 8(small files) & 24(big files)) I still like gif with 4 or 8 colours for things like screenshots for small file sizes. SusanG  ContribsTalk 23:25, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

  • cough* please bury my post [1] TIA (i just changed my IP instead)

Re: your post about the adultress parable[edit]

The interesting thing about Andy's railing against that story is that he takes a kernel of truth (biblical textual critics are pretty much all in agreement that that passage was added later) but twists it miserably (it was added by liberals in order to argue against the death penalty). CorryTobias was a never nude, which is exactly what it sounds like. 14:37, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, yeah. I removed my comment since I got "let he who is without sin" mixed up with the "judge not lest ye be judged" line, although both point to the same lesson. Andy's mostly got a bug up his ass because he's had the Adultress line used against him, so in his mind he's nullifying another bit of Liberal ammunition. --Kels 14:56, 27 August 2008 (EDT)


Does this mean that you're going to go all left wing & hippy on us. next thing you'll be supporting wimins rights! SusanG  ContribsTalk 19:12, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Them's the risks, I might even start to think I'm equal to men! --Kels 20:09, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Wouldn't that be a downgrade? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:17, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Depends on the man, I suppose. =3 For instance, I'd love to be the artistic equal to the guy who does this comic. Seriously, read it all, it's a masterwork. --Kels 20:21, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Well, yeah, but... he's had many more years to hone his skills, hasn't he? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:48, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Well, that particular story took 12 years from the first story to the last. But that's no excuse! I just have to try! --Kels 22:11, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Shame on you!!!!!! SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:14, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Invoking shame is a typical Liberal tactic. --Kels 20:16, 31 August 2008 (EDT)
Competing with your heroes is the best way to develop your art, methinks. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:53, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
Copying to learn is good. Copying and handing it in is bad and will get you kicked out. Copying and putting it in your portfolio will kill your career. --Kels 06:03, 3 September 2008 (EDT)

Wow, your in Ottawa, that's 'bout an hour away from me.--Nate River 23:08, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Where you at? Perth or someplace around there? --Kels 23:10, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Renfrew. I'm going to try for Ottawa U or Carlton after taking a course at the Pembroke Campus--Nate River 00:01, 21 December 2008 (EST)

That's cool, what are you looking at taking? --Kels 00:21, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Social Worker. I like sociology and that course might help me study it in Ottawa.

Hmm...Have you thought about Bachelor of Social Work, rather than necessarily sociology? That sounds like it's more along your range, and is a bit more hands-on. --Kels 09:35, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Nah, I like sociology. I prefer talking and discussing my expertise rather than using anecdotes and cliches to solve problems. I want to teach it, or make a few documentaries.:)--Nate River 01:14, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Hmm. Dunno about the documentaries, but you could do worse than take the university level courses in sociology. I'm not too familiar with the universities up here, I've only been in Ontario for about 4 1/2 years. --Kels 01:23, 22 December 2008 (EST)
I've spent the last 5 in Quebec. I know something about discrimination because of all the francophone protection laws. And what's wrong with documentaries? --Nate River 21:58, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Nothing, I just figured you'd need to specialize a bit in filmmaking if that's what you planned to do. I dunno, does Carleton or U of O have a filmmaking course? --Kels 21:59, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Well, in my last soc class, some guys did a documentary, so it isn't hard. I'd just have to convince some student filmmakers to give me a hand. Anyway, looks like my University aspirations will be on hold for another year. Gonna take a year off to actually save some money.--Nate River 22:19, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Don't you get me started[edit]

I am trying to edit the Swastika article, this picture is part of that process. However while I was uploading this picture, a slow process in my part of the universe, sorry, my edits to swastika were deleted. And so it goes. You guys are pretty trigger happy here. Einar Einarsson Kvaran aka Carptrash 21:36, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

Now, now. I am not my Human's keeper. I had no idea what he was doing over there until after I asked the question, and I did research who the photographer was in the first place, so at least I knew they were legit. I just wanted to know what the purpose was, is all. --Kels 21:42, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

My humble apologies. I have, I will admit a genetic tendency towards berserker behavior in tight places. Didn't mean to snap at you for no (good) reason. But I did. Carptrash 21:45, 2 September 2008 (EDT)

You know, that happened when I was editing the Waco article once. Yah, I remember, it was exactly like this... Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 21:47, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
Ah, no problem. I was sticking my nose in, you know how it is. --Kels 22:21, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
I'm amazed that RA can remember an editing clash from eight months ago, when I can barely remember last night. And his example was a classic of how wiki-editing can break down. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:52, 2 September 2008 (EDT)


Can you restore my powerz? Java stole them and refuses to give them back. DickTurpis 23:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Sure, but I'm not quite clear on how. Point me the right way? --Kels 23:06, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Never mind, I got it. --Kels 23:10, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks. Much better. DickTurpis 23:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)
You may now abuse them with glee. --Kels 23:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Reverse Racism[edit]

Nice article. PFoster 11:20, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. The one at CP inspired me, although it's probably time to invite the rabble in to improve it, link to it, etc. --Kels 11:22, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
Your last edit--Men's Rights--brings up a couple of questions, though. See talk page in a moment...PFoster 11:23, 25 October 2008 (EDT)


I don't know why this hasn't happened yet.... But

Kels, In recognition of nothing in particular, you are herby promoted to the rank of


By earning this promotion, you will be given no new rights per se, but you should know that your ability to swim and eat live fish will now increase tenfold, and you will always look fabulous in a tuxedo. Should you continue on your meteoric rise here on Rationalwiki, you may be awarded the highest possible honor, that of Penguin Knight. Good luck to you. For more information on rights and responsibilities, please see here


A goat in Devon.

Thanks for the help! You'll be rewarded with a goat in Devon, straight from Odin himself--Stunteddwarf 13:37, 9 November 2008 (EST)

It's kinda like an Angel From Montgomery, but with more goat and less angel. Hold the Montgomery. --Kels 13:58, 9 November 2008 (EST)


Goat.jpg Barnstar
For your tireless contributions to RationalWiki, I award you this barnstar.

That's one rockin' goat there, thanks for the barnstar! --Kels 21:10, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Until you find out who it's from. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 21:13, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Doesn't matter, the holy purity of goat will make it good regardless. --Kels 21:20, 12 December 2008 (EST)
It's from Santa. You *do* believe in Santa, right? Secret Santa 21:24, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Star? looks more like a barngoat to me. --CPAdmin1 21:26, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Good idea. This ain't WP, we don't need no steenkin' barnstars! Barngoats all the way! --Kels 21:31, 12 December 2008 (EST)


Do you really think he deserved an hour?--Bobbing up 09:44, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Eh, it was convenient. He clearly wasn't making jokes or getting along, so it didn't seem worth being too picky for time. A half hour probably would have been better, but we don't have that in the dropdown. --Kels 09:47, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Fool down[edit]

Banning is too kind -- any chance we could have him stuffed? It would be such a conversational piece. 23:30, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Overnight protection[edit]

Since my page is a vandal magnet at the moment, I'm gonna lock it overnight. I'll set a deadline time so I don't forget to unlock in the morning. --Kels 00:16, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Sounds about fair to me. Javasca₧ thinking of what to say next
No problems here. Researcher 00:21, 14 December 2008 (EST)

I think we got off on the wrong foot a little, so I am posting a humorous semi-apology on your talk place. If I promise never to edit while Falldown is nearby, will you refrain from smiting me please? :([edit]

I think we got off on the wrong foot a little, so I am posting a humorous semi-apology on your talk place. If I promise never to edit while Falldown is nearby, will you refrain from smiting me please? :( No, with sandwiches 09:58, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Eh, it's cool. Bad timing with a username that closely resembled several of his socks, honest mistake I guess. Don't have anything against you personally. So let's make with the science funny and CP-bashing, and it's all good. --Kels 10:04, 17 December 2008 (EST)

A very important e-mail.[edit]

I have sent you one...PFoster 10:56, 17 December 2008 (EST)

Nothing so far. Did you remember a stamp? --Kels 11:25, 17 December 2008 (EST)
Resent. Sorry to duplicate...PFoster 11:32, 17 December 2008 (EST)
Still nothing, this is weird. I sent a test message to myself, and that hasn't come through either, for some reason I'm not getting anything at all from RW. My email is enabled, so I dunno. I'll try sending a test message to you, maybe it's not just me. --Kels 12:34, 17 December 2008 (EST)
As all my exes end up saying: "It's not me. It's you." I'll use your e-mail to get the message to you...PFoster 12:38, 17 December 2008 (EST)


That edit was not funny. Yes, its amusing to some, but still. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorcat! 14:07, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Fafuxsake, lighten up! 14:10, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Buh? What edit? Got a diff or something? --Kels 14:13, 22 December 2008 (EST)
I thought it was funny 14:21, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Well, yeah, that's why I did...uh, I have no idea, maybe it was another Kels, and besides I was out of town at the time. --Kels 14:36, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Durn, I thought that was CUR's joke when I saw the changed sig. I was hoping to see inductor next, then thermistor, diode, transistor... etc. Oh well. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:02, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Well, I tried having another laff, but WassaiLoid stopped me. He got his, though. --Kels 16:08, 22 December 2008 (EST)
I did it this time. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor'This isn't wookiepedia, fanboy.' 18:34, 4 January 2009 (EST)


Gentlemen, congratulations, I think it may be likely for you to win the Duane Gish Award for blithering nonsense. conservative 21:33, 22 December 2008 (EST)

I...I...I don't know what to say... --Kels 21:44, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Just thank the Acaemy. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:47, 22 December 2008 (EST)

Big Brother[edit]

Please give details about the girl who got that high grade. I can use it in the main article. Proxima Centauri 13:06, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Hmm, well Honours question 4 is one of Andy's loaded questions, asking if it's okay to spy on Americans, but a couple of specific ones are here, here, here, here for sure, this gem here, here, and here, although it's out of order. A couple of other students gave more reasonable answers to the effect that spying was problematic, but Andy was obviously looking for "The Patriot Act was A-OK!". Hope that helps. --Kels 13:32, 24 December 2008 (EST)


You watch WIGO too much, like me. :p

Merry Christmas, you healthy, beautiful Canadian! :3 AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 16:19, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks, and the same to you, you outstanding Viking! --Kels 16:20, 24 December 2008 (EST)


Hopefully we can continue the blocking spree! Happy Holidays!
--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 11:22, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Merry late December! --Kels 11:24, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Your block ID is 5828. Please include this ID in any queries you make.[edit]

Exhibit 1

I was intrigued to see that you consider yourself to be a pagan. This is (opinion) a good thing because it means that you will likely recognize what is shown in Exhibit 1, and further, you will understand what they are capable of being done with in skilled hands. Which is to say, mine.


But let me back up a bit, to the other night. It was well below freezing, using either American or Canadian degrees, and if you look at Exhibit 2 you will notice that my computer (A) is located very far from the nearest source of heat (B). So part of what I was doing was struggling to keep the home fires burning, a problem since the wood in pine, not great for heat, and much of it was damp or wet. I was multi-tasking at the time, trying to get some rationalwiki posting done while also cooking dinner (C) for my wife and myself. Did I mention that she had recently had surgery and was not in a position to get around at all? She was wanting to talk about the son of a friend of ours who was shipping off to Iraq right after New Years, and that did not contribute to my good mood.

Ehxhibit 3

So I get back to my computer for a quick something and discover that you have decided to block me for a year. Ho Ho Ho. Only the joke got stopped at the border, having something to do with the Patriot Act, I'm sure, and did not get here. Before you retort with the inevitable "It's not personal" be assured that this is what they said to the folks who had napalm tested on them in the French village of Royan. (Exhibit 3). Perhaps on a different scale, but then that's for me to decide. And, you were not "just following orders." You were actually giving them.

Oh well. I've got to get back to Exhibit 1 and get to work and decide whether to start at the top, the bottom, or, why not? Somewhere in the middle. By the way, the bait in Exhibit 1 is turkey, so be very careful what you reach for, okay? Ho ho ho. Carptrash 15:18, 26 December 2008 (EST)

It's amazing how much sense that didn't make. --Kels 15:20, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Thanks. I never claimed to be rational. But we could go over it phrase by phrase if you like. There then would be a quiz over it, of course.
Carptrash 15:56, 26 December 2008 (EST)
I think I have a credit I can transfer from somewhere, so I'm good. --Kels 16:01, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Wow, is Carpy Dime threatening you? We can send Trent over to beat him up break his trance with skepticism, if you want. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:14, 28 December 2008 (EST)
I'll be honest, I'm not sure. But they are suspected of cruelty to a hunk of clay. --Kels 00:23, 28 December 2008 (EST)
"They?". Rule #11 of Carp's Rules to Live My Life By is "Give Credit Where Credit is Due.", so almost anything transfers. And Human, is it possible to threaren a rationalist, even a pagan one, with woo-woo ??? Surely not. Though, Kels, be careful not a break a finger nail and also, . . .... well . . . .............. never mind. Carptrash 10:47, 28 December 2008 (EST)
Teh Koicrap is truly weird. Glad I don't unnerstan a word of it. Frohlich 11:01, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Wanted to make sure you caught this[edit]

It's buried in talk WIGO CP and I didn't want you to think I was mocking you...

Tough friggin' room, seriously. I just thought the mixed metaphor was funny, I'll try to avoid doing it again. Oh, and I didn't put it in WIGO at all. --Kels 01:39, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Sorry if that sounded like I was critiquing you Kels, I was thanking you for the .png, and commiserating that CP is turning into the same-old same-old joke so much. Not our observations, but the raw material itself. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:19, 27 December 2008 (EST)

ħumanUser talk:Human 21:42, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Oh, I saw that. Sorry I didn't respond, it didn't really seem to need it. Thanks. --Kels 21:45, 27 December 2008 (EST)
No big deal, stuff gets buried fast there. Glad you weren't permanently miffed, or muffed, or anything like that. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:08, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Oh no, just taken a bit by surprise. I so rarely get the sharp edge of your tongue. --Kels 22:27, 27 December 2008 (EST)
That's what I feared, a misinterpretation - I wasn't criticizing your comment, but the subject matter itself. And I saw how it could, and was, taken the wrong way. In the absence of a further comment by you, I just wanted to make sure you didn't take it the wrong way, so I copied the itteh bitteh kitteh committeh here. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:33, 27 December 2008 (EST)
We're just discussing the discussion of the discussion by this point, aren't we? --Kels 22:34, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Well, if the discussion of the point-by-point discussion were not discussed properly, how could we proceed to discussing the discussion about the topic under discussion, in order to successfully discuss why we are discussing it? (PS, my favorite TV show is my local school board spending my money). ħumanUser talk:Human 22:45, 27 December 2008 (EST)
I think my spam blocker deleted my copy of the agenda, so I'm a bit lost on discussing the discussion of the bullet points that outline the discussion of the discussion. --Kels 22:53, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Perhaps if we can find the minutes of the past discussion of what we were discussing, we could put it on the next agenda for actionability discussion, re: discussing the actionability of the points on the agenda as pertains the discussion under discussion, in order to further promote the profitabality of the consequences of any actions pursuant to the discussion topics under discussion? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:29, 27 December 2008 (EST)
You know, my roommate works in government, and this is entirely too realistic... --Kels 23:31, 27 December 2008 (EST)
Thank you :) You started it ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 23:36, 27 December 2008 (EST)
And I finished it! --Kels 23:47, 27 December 2008 (EST)

Resident Furry, meet Resident Therian[edit]

Hello resident furry. I am the resident therian. Thought I'd introduce myself. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor'This isn't wookiepedia, fanboy.' 20:55, 5 January 2009 (EST)

Hi there. I'm more the "anthro fan" sort of furry than the "furry lifestyler" sort, mind you. I'm not exactly a hardcore fur, in whatever way you want to take that. =^_^= --Kels 22:33, 5 January 2009 (EST)
I wouldn't say fur. I'd say: a person who's habits closely mimic that of a cheetahs (in my case). --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor'This isn't wookiepedia, fanboy.' 20:43, 7 January 2009 (EST)

Congratulations Kels, you have beaten CUR in a debate!

Aren't you going to gloat? --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor'This isn't wookiepedia, fanboy.' 16:04, 10 January 2009 (EST)

This is actually pretty gloaty, for me. --Kels 16:30, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Vou veat me, vou vave vearned vy vespect. Vould vou like to help lead my 'vabal'? I have a position open. Actually, all positions are open. I am currently the only user with cabal rights. Not that I know what those are. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor'This isn't wookiepedia, fanboy.' 20:40, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Positions may be open, but I don't expect to have time for the next four months. --Kels 21:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Yes, many of us female-attracted types (well, me) have lined up to "veat" Kels. She has demurred in a gentle and very respectful fashion, on account of, at least "first", being manacled, roped, and chained to a delightful SO of some sort whose boots we are only (barely) qualified to polish with our tongues. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:12, 11 January 2009 (EST)
There's a discussion on otherkin at the saloon. Just so ya' know. --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductor'This isn't wookiepedia, fanboy.' 21:48, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Given that I'm not an otherkin, and find it rather silly at best, I'm probably not a great one to invite. At least the elves I've met have been a bit more down to earth, so to speak. --Kels 22:12, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Always the voice of reason. That's why I like you so much. TheoryOfPractice 22:13, 21 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks, I like me too. --Kels 22:23, 21 January 2009 (EST)

Belated invitation[edit]

Sorry, Kels, I feel rather embarrassed to have forgotten to invite a veteran RationalWikian like you.

In an effort to update our sometimes too-vague and too-often ignored current Community Standards, I drafted a possible update of them. The draft can be found here. I invite you, and the rest of the site, to discuss this important issue. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:59, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Unfortunately, the new term has started, so I don't really have much time except to occasionally gad about the wiki, making a few stray comments here and there. But thanks for the info, I'll contribute if I can. --Kels 17:06, 10 January 2009 (EST)
I'm sorry to hear that. I thank you for responding so quickly, and I look forward to reading whatever comments you can spare in the discussion. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:16, 10 January 2009 (EST)


Barnstar-camera.png The Photographer's Barnstar
I, ConsevapediaUndergroundResistor, hereby award you this Photographer's Barnstar
in light of your excellence in the field of image uploading.

--"CURtalk 16:32, 10 February 2009 (EST)

T shirt[edit]

I noticed that all the ladies have that userbox you made and it got me wondering, can you buy that as a t-shirt? Answer yes? I might get a friend of mine it I think she would appreciate it. - User 00:54, 7 March 2009 (EST)

I think I've seen a version of it for sale. I made it up myself twice, I think it's a pretty old meme (of course, so am I). If you want Kels' version, you might need to ask her to cafepress it or sumthin. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:06, 7 March 2009 (EST)
I don't doubt it is an old meme, I just have never seen anyone wearing one. Not that I would notice if they were ... um I am going to go hide now. - User 02:59, 7 March 2009 (EST)
Well, I don't hold any particular rights to it, so if you want to go to a custom T-shirt shop or something, have fun. Just a quick cartoon, I wasn't particularly attached to it. --Kels 10:13, 7 March 2009 (EST)
Unhappily, I haven't a big enuff chestal volume to really bother teh boys (or teh grils, come to that) and, being rather small, most adults are looking down to look me in the eye. :) ToastToastand marmite 10:59, 7 March 2009 (EST)
Yeah, I'm kinda average in that respect, but way above when it comes to height. So they're actually on eye level for most of my friends. --Kels 11:00, 7 March 2009 (EST)

One other trick is to buy some iron-on paper sheet things and make it yourself with a new white t-shirt. I've done this a few times with pretty good results. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:15, 7 March 2009 (EST)

Beaten to the punch/[edit]

See the latest WIGOclog   .  So, that's the tune they play on their fascist banjos 06:54, 11 March 2009 (EDT)

You know, I'm a bit annoyed at it being taken out of WIGO:World when (a) it wasn't a blog I linked, and (b) the one on WIGO:CLOG was so unfunny. But meh, I'm unappreciated in my own time. --Kels 10:55, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
Wasn't I who done it! I was just sayin' is all.   .  So, that's the tune they play on their fascist banjos 11:01, 12 March 2009 (EDT)
Oh, I know. Just venting. And procrastinating, I'm supposed to be studying Chuck Jones designs right now. --Kels 11:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Modern Art[edit]

Ok, wait. I"m so fucking ignorant about Art, it's very embarrassing. But modern art was never supposed to be taken seriously? I think I"m just an elitist (like i said at Saloon Bar, about music), that if you can do something in an instant and without thought or message, it's not art. If it doesn't take some measure of learned or practiced skills, it's not art. That elitist position stated, you are saying the *intent* of modern art was to say "art is stupid?" or do i totally misunderstand. Again, i'm totally ignorant of all this.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 12:04, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

Huh? Of course it was meant to be taken seriously. It was very much SRS BSNS back in the 50's and 60's when it originated. Never meant to say it wasn't. But "art is stupid" wasn't the point they were making, to go back to Greenberg, one of the leading voices in the movement, it was to criticize the concept of art in order to direct it back to what it was good at. Photography had really come into its own by then, so among other things they were trying to steer the art world from directly competing and steer away from straight representation, which of course a camera can do way better and easier. There were a lot of other factors, and a lot of other messages, but that was one of the primary points behind it all. To pull back from "this is a cat" or whatever to "this is a painting, or a sculpture, or whatever" and make you very conscious of that. To be much more in-depth, here is Greenberg's seminal essay which really got the ball rolling, and here is his essay directly about Modernist art itself.--Kels 12:20, 22 March 2009 (EDT)
The essence of Modernism lies, as I see it, in the use of characteristic methods of a discipline to criticize the discipline itself, not in order to subvert it but in order to entrench it more firmly in its area of competence. —Clement Greenberg
An aside: Paul McCartney fucking woke up with the melody to Yesterday in his head. Is that cheating? Does it betray the "hard work" aspect of "art"? No, the art was in saying to himself - "this is good" (it might have been crap, after all), and making a full-fledged song out of it. I don't care how easy it is, if the result is interesting, I call it art. Even if it's just splattering something on the wall. (Hell, I've had spiderwebs I have kept for years 'til they collapsed because they were beautiful.) ħumanUser talk:Human 23:43, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

A thought[edit]

Sadly (or perhaps fortunately, considering the unprecedented anger it seemed to cause) I sort of missed the bulk of the modernist art debate debacle. I tended to side with you. The definition of art is not so cut and dry as people like to think it is. It was odd that this came up, because a couple weeks ago a similar, albeit much shorter, conversation took place between me and a classmate. I made the comment that I thought abstract art could be bad. I got jumped on pretty quickly by someone in the back. She argued that because it's a representation of an abstraction, it cannot be considered by the rubric of bad or good. Essentially, she insisted that abstract art is outside the realm of criticism. That idea made me rankle a bit. I don't like the idea of something being exempt from criticism. However, it made me step back and think: what is bad abstract art? It occurred to me that I didn't actually know. I'd made a generalisation...I had conflated what I didn't like with what I think is objectively bad (if such a thing is possible). I think Jackson Pollock's work is very beautiful, and I thought this was a fine example of Kelly's work. I find it very aesthetically pleasing. Yet I find this to be an overplayed cliche (even knowing what the artist is getting at). Which is perhaps me missing the point...but does it matter what the point is? As a writer, I've always believed it's what the reader takes away, not what the writer intends. I've often applied the same principle to art. Or is this form of art such that we must judge the concept, not the execution? Or is the execution important as well? Do good and bad even matter? What are good and bad? Are they aesthetic, intellectual, both, or up to the viewer?

<deep breaths> Anyway, I hope this doesn't feel like I'm venting off on you with my artistic ennui, but this has been bothering me, and you seem to have a much better understanding of it than I do, lol. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 19:02, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

I would say it's totally subjective. I believe there can be good and bad abstract, the same as good and bad everything else. I don't necessarily believe there can be objectively good and bad, really. I think these things do matter, because they're essentially human, and the essentially human is of prime importance, especially in the arts. The blank canvases, yeah. I've seen that done a few times, and it's essentially 4'33" done visually, but it's done a lot. Therefore, not nearly so interesting. --Kels 19:15, 22 March 2009 (EDT)

More random malarkey[edit]

Following up on the PF commentary at The Great Art Debate, you might enjoy perusing some of this guy's album reviews.

Also, the other day you expressed interest in science documentaries and I wanted to spout random drivel about them here. One, I noticed someone said "the less you know the topic, the better they are", and I fear some of that might be due to many of them, well, sucking - so the more you know, the more you realize how poorly done they are. Random sort of case in point, I listen to a radio show by Michio Kaku (sp.?) on Sunday evenings, and he may be a great physicist, but he's a lousy presenter, uses poor choices of words, etc. Anyway, my (obvious?) recommendations for quality would be any Nova or Cosmos you can get your hands on. Also, I think things aimed at younger people might actually be better than the glossy magazine type crap I see on a lot of History channel type shows. Also also, there's a parody "science class" show I see sometimes on the cartoon network (I think) called "Look Around You" (by freemantlemedia). It's a British thing, and they intentionally get all the science hilariously wrong - it's sort of like MPFC does Nova. As alluded to, the stuff on teh History channel (made by the Discovery channel?) is total crap IMHO, to be avoided at all costs. I've seen brief clips of Kaku on them, he's the middle-aged Asian gentleman who talks like a lecturer on whose every word one is supposed to hang on for dear life. While not saying much.

I also have a few tapes of Arthus C. Clarke's old "debunking" show ("ACC's world of Strange Powers"), it's a bit slow, but it's fun in a sort of science geeky way. Oh well, that's all for now. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:19, 23 March 2009 (EDT)

If physics is your thing, get The Mechanical Universe. NightFlare 19:30, 23 March 2009 (EDT)
I'm a bit tired, and still flying on that Fleetwood Mac high, so I'll take more of a look later. But have you seen the periodic table that Look Around You uses? It's fantastic. Oh, save you the trouble, it's right here. --Kels 00:20, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
Awesome, thank you! You see my point? It's teh awesome science laugh. The more you know, the harder you laugh. I love it. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:29, 24 March 2009 (EDT)
I splunked noodge out my poozle reading it... still... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:44, 24 March 2009 (EDT)


Scots who had heard vague rumours about the sun but didn't believe them --- ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! by the by, I'm watching this great show (5 parts) by the BBC on the history of Scotland. I wish I could remember the archeologist/historian's name, but the show is a beauty to watch, and he is lovely to listen to. (are all people in teh world done over by a Scot's accent?, or is it just us wayward americans?)--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 10:24, 7 April 2009 (EDT)

Possibly Mei[edit]

Hey you're a beurocrat right? Can you rename me to Mei. MeiRobot1 20:38, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

No, she can't. There's already a user named Mei. Why can't you use the old Mei, anyway? Forgot the password? --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 20:42, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

I know that dummy, she could rename that first. MeiRobot1 20:46, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Won't work. I tried making a sock named Fall down. Didn't work. Already taken, even though the user Fall down now exists as Women are my superior and I respect them as such. As I said before, use your original account. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 20:48, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

It will work, it's happened before. As I said before, nothing you say matters. Toddle off now. MeiRobot1 20:50, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
How about renaming you to No, with Sandwiches? The EmperorKneel before Zod! 20:58, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
You fool you're meddling with things you don't understand! :-O MeiRobot1 21:03, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Okay, since I have nothing but the rudeness to prove you're actually Mei, I'm not inclined to just go and mess with peoples' accounts. CUR had a valid point, why not just use the actual account itself? --Kels 20:59, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
EC If you look if the user log it shows this account being created by Mei. I closed my old account, it's beyond retrieval. MeiRobot1 21:03, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Interestingly enough, I think that this user is Mei not just because they are rude, edit war, and taunt CUR, but because they have also created blank headers in user talks. See here. Not very firm proof, but it would be the sort of thing a parodist would overlook. The EmperorKneel before Zod! 21:05, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
[2] user log. MeiRobot1 21:13, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Definitely Mei. But why is the old account beyond retriveal? We know you're Mei, you can't start over, particuarly if you claim your old name. Maybe if you wait a month, but until then, no blank slate for you! --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:08, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

Say what cheetah-boy? You think I'm trying to distance myself from something? You're dreaming. I am always right and beyond reproach. Nothing I have ever done is wrong or embarassing to me. And I very rarely write articles about cats. MeiRobot1 21:13, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm guessing what Mei did was enter a long string of gibberish into her password in her preferences, then copied it into th other box, thus changing her password into something she didn't know. Oh, and she probably disabled email, too, so she couldn't reset it that way. The EmperorKneel before Zod! 21:11, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Basically. You have to write in something else first though because copying from the password box doesn't work. MeiRobot1 21:13, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
Mei, that's incredibly stupid. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:15, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

Wrong! It worked perfectly. What you mean is you don't know why I did it, which is pretty much what I expect from you. MeiRobot1 21:17, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
No, what I mean is that there's not much point in nuking your password. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:19, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh there is, you just don't know it. MeiRobot1 21:21, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

(unindent) Such as? --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:22, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

Basically, Mei needed a ride in the WHAAAAAAAAMBULANCE!!, so she decided to Leave and never come back. The EmperorKneel before Zod! 21:24, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
wrong! Mei had homework. Think about it. Why is Mei the only one who understands anything?
The both of you, quit it. CUR, stop answering on my behalf on my own talk page. Mei, without knowing more I'm not really inclined to jump directly into a largely unknown situation. Either you explain, or wait for human or someone. Either way, this bickering conversation is gonna stop. --Kels 21:23, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
I don't really mind being MeiRobot, I just didn't want to confuse people overly. If it's too much trouble I withdraw my request. Sorry to take over your talk page. MeiRobot1 21:25, 10 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm cool with that. --Kels 21:28, 10 April 2009 (EDT)

Whisper of the Heart[edit]

Hi Kels, if you're interested, I have a scanlated copy of the manga if you'd like a copy? --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:56, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh yes! I'd absolutely love it. WotH is probably my favourite movie of all, animated or not, so I'd love anything to do with it. --Kels 11:08, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
This was one of the first two or three anime my husband introduced me to. Along with Honey and Clover. Also a short, called She and my Cat, which if you havn't seen, you *must*.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 11:27, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

Have you seen the others by the same director? Voices From a Distant Star is absolutely brilliant, especially since he did the whole thing on his own, and Beyond the Clouds, The Promised Place is a beauty as well, but with a bigger budget. I haven't seen his most recent, Five Centimeters Per Second, but the reviews are good and he's got a great track record. --Kels 11:38, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Ah! Makhoto Shinkai fans! Yay! I love his work too (and Satoshi Kon - "Millennium Actress" & "Tokyo Godfathers" are two more *musts*). I've managed to track down another of his shorts - Eago, about a girl and her hamster. Very cute. "5cm" is also very good, although I preferred the first two, personally. He does makes phenomenally pretty anime though. Enjoyed Honey&Clover too, although the 2nd season was a bit dreary. Ok - enough otaku-talk from me, I'll upload WotH & Eago and let you have the link. Might only be after the long weekend - I'm on a really crappy connection at the mo, but I'll see what I can do. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:07, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
That's quite okay, this weekend is fully booked for me working on my portfolio anyhow. I'm just past the 90% mark, and I need to finalize one layout, completely rework another, and finalize my self-portrait by Monday at the latest. As to the anime, I haven't seen Tokyo Godfathers, and Paprika is still on my pending list, but I loved Milennium Actress to death. People complain a lot about "anime style" without really thinking about what the so-called "style" is supposed to be, and it's stuff like this that totally blows that out of the water. The big problem isn't the style of actual anime, it's the copied style that kids in the West use as a shortcut to avoid learning how to actually draw characters. --Kels 12:15, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Tokyo Godfathers was - well, strange. good, but strange. The thing about "anime style" to me, is that having now watched everything from Fruits basket (love a good kawaii piece), to something like Totoro, to series like Monster or Robin, there seems to be no one "style". And some of those most memorable, I think, break that "style" like Akagi. Good anime is story driven anyhow, so the "rip offs" will never be good, no matter how they are drawn, and cheep line drawn (like She and her Cat) or very sterotypically drawn stuff can be exceptional.
(EC)Good anything, be it comics or animation, is story driven. Character driven is possible, but story takes precedence when it comes to quality for me. And that's something that's been pointed out a lot. There is no "anime style". That only really exists in North American fangirls posting stuff on deviantART. And it gets even more extreme when you look at the manga most of the anime is based on. Look at this, this, this and this. Saying all these represent a single style really makes the concept of style useless. --Kels 13:00, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Paprika is a visual treat and another I can watch over and over. As for style, well I'm as artistic as a brick, but I certainly appreciate when guys are prepared to bend the rules (Mind Game is a good example). I think the worst thing when it comes to Westerners copying anime artwork is probably those generic "Now You can Draw Manga Characters" magazines, which seem to be stuck on Sailor Moon :) --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:53, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
1 word - naruto. (gaaaaaa......Runs for the hills). The other thing about anime that amuses (in a good way) me is just how varied the topics are. I sware, no matter what the topic, or what the profession - you'll find at least one anime that covers it. hehe--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 13:10, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
I was saying that recently about Obata's mangas. He seems to pick the most sedentary, intellectual topics he can find, and turn them into something exciting and full of energy. His last three projects? Playing go (Hikaru no Go), writing in a notebook (Death Note) and creating a manga (Bakuman). Amazing. --Kels 13:13, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

(undent)Agree, the story-telling is what lured me (and keeps me) into anime & manga. True, there's an awful lot of rubbish *cough*naruto*cough* (as there is with anything), but the guys who get it right are phenomenal - and yes, they can take any subject and weave a ripping yarn. Take Moyashimon, which is about microbes ffs! My 2 faves are really "stories about nothing" = Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou (robot runs a coffee shop and drives a round on a scooter meeting people and going shopping) and Walking Man (salaryman strolls around his neighbourhood and stops to small the roses) and yet are gobsmackingly amazing stories (will upload too if you want - they haven't been licensed). And I still can't watch Gunslinger Girl without crying my eyes out at the end. --PsyGremlinWhut? 15:02, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

MOYASHIMON!!! OMG, thank you for being someone else who's seen it! That's an amazing series. As to the others, you can find some good manga as follows: Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou, 20th Century Boys (group of old friends come together to save the world from a former elementary school classmate), BLAME (enigmatic warrior fights his way through a world-encompassing city), Elfen Lied (seriously violent subversion of "harem" comedies), and Eternal Sabbath (interesting story about a man who cannot be detected). There's literally tonnes of stuff out there, hardly surprising for a culture that sees comics as just another form of storytelling, without the baggage that the West has piled on the form. --Kels 15:42, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
Moyasheimon is my ring tone. I like to do teh little dread-lock dance every time someone calls me. --Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Her intense and pure religiousness took the form of her having equal faith in the existence of another world and in the impossibility of comprehending it in terms of earthly life. V.Nabokov» 17:14, 11 April 2009 (EDT)
The OP for Moyashimon, with the dancing germs is adorable 9and very well done! Anyway, as promised, here's the link for WotH and Walking Man. Egao was a bit big to upload, but found it here - and in the related videos, there appears to be a couple of interesting things. You have to watch Aquatic Language - and then track down Eve no Jikan (same guys who did Pale Cocoon - another must see). Oh, and happy birthday for tomorrow! --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:49, 14 April 2009 (EDT) PS I probably shouldn't show you this...

Aren't youz too old to be weeaboos? DSFARGEG 15:29, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

I just watched Horton Hears a Who the other night, and spent the afternoon discussing the sex life of Transformers. I have no intention of growing up. --Kels 18:54, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
My freinds said it's a good movie, but I haven't got around to watching it yet. The Transformers sex talk is wierd though. Transformers were built to rock, not to shag... DSFARGEG 10:23, 15 April 2009 (EDT)
You just have a failure of imagination, that's all. You also don't have friends quite willing to get up in the middle of a crowded room and recite the Whoville oath: "We have all that we need. We need all that we've got. We like it in Whoville. We like it a lot." And then compare Waspinator's voice when Starscream took him over to Cobra Commander's. I have weird friends. --Kels 00:18, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Interesting link[edit]

Hi Kels, just re-found this item and thought it might be of interest to you. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic? 15:08, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

I thought I'd responded to that. Yes, that is relevant to my interests, and I'll have a better look when I've got more time. As it is, I submit my final portfolio a week from Friday, and I'm currently recovering from today, which was Open House/grad party/my birthday all rolled into one. --Kels 00:20, 16 April 2009 (EDT)
Don't forget International Teabagging Day! Oh, and happy birthday! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:13, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Thank you[edit]

For taking care of Ole Tipsey. Sadly, I am suffering through using the College Macs, and I don't know how to use that irriating piece of software. Javasca₧ thinking of what to say next 21:37, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Little kids like that can be kind of annoying. Say, you have any idea how everything on the page got centred? --Kels 21:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
It is the Penguin. Give me a moment... Javasca₧ thinking of what to say next 21:48, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
There ya go. Hope that looks better! :) Javasca₧ thinking of what to say next 21:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


I read your Voltaire quote on your page and it reminded me of something. A few years back I went to a wedding in South Africa, near Capetown. These people were super Christian and the wedding was as such. NO alcohol! Boy was I fucking mad as it was about 35 degrees and I had to sit in the hot savana sun for 2 hours listening to a guy playing guitar and foaming at the mouth over his love for Jesus. When playing a game of back-yard cricket I was immediately shunned for screaming "God fucking damnit!" after being bowled out. But anyway, the bride and groom had spent a couple of months apart before the wedding pursuing different interests/jobs and everyone was thanking the lord for making sure their love remained true during their time apart and I got thinking. You know, they were so thankful for the lord for making things right however if things had gone wrong, if one of them had strayed, they would have blamed themselves. As if they couldn't be proud of anything themselves. It wasn't "the good lord" that kept them true, it was their own ideals and spirit but they credit it to "the lord". I felt sad for them that they could never be proud of each other and had to rest their good fortune in the lord and their bad fortune squares on their own shoulders. Sad eh. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 22:08, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Hehe, Kels, you've now officially been Aced! ħumanUser talk:Human 00:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
That's totally Ace, that is! --Kels 00:46, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Well anyway I tell you after sitting in the sun for 2 hours in black suit being told about Jesus I was desperate for a beer so as soon as the ceremony ended I headed straight for the bar without talking to anyone. I drank 4 beers in quick succesion and brought 2 more plus a glass of wine and snuck into the reception hall, hiding the booze under my seat. I must of sensed trouble because when I went back to the bar I was told, in very apologetic tones, that the bride and groom had requested the NO ALCOHOL was to be served. Man I freaked. And the indignity of having sit with a bunch of jesus freaks, listening about "the good lord" for 1.5 hours of speeches and having to drink grape juice from a champagne flute was almost too much to bear. I remember someone was yelling about what it says in the bible and I nearly replied "I believe the bible also said something about wine" but I kept ssshhh. After the speeches I snuck into the bar and bribed the bar man $100R to open the bar at 10:30 for me and three others. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 02:14, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Cripes, man. Where do we apply to have you awarded a medal? --Kels 02:47, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
When my brother married the "black sheep" of a Southern Baptist family (ceremony performed by retired preacher father, lots of Paul perversion in ceremony), my parents paid for us all to go out to dinner the night before (ah, the night before!). Apparently there was almost a dinner-killing crisis because the restaurant had a bar. Fuck. At one point during the rather enjoyable dinner (I sat in the middle and made people of all persuasions laugh), I wandered around to the bar for a smoke with the help. I guess these were fairly tolerant insane people, since even though I couldn't smoke in their house (no big deal), I could go outside and smoke there. I also took the photos, and made out with a stranger on a plane on the tiny airport to Charlotte hop. OK, it's not as good as Ace's fucking daily exploits, but it was cool. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:54, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Well i may have another tale tomorrow. I sit on this grey afternoon, after fucking around with the fusebox because I blew the electrics of my house by wiring to many speakers to my stereo, waiting for that knock on the door. You see I was previously trained in journalism and I occasionally get some flunkies asking me to produce some copy on an event or protest. Tonight I am being sent to a jazz club to review an 11 piece band. My photographer, a stumbling drunk Italian with a midget fetish, should be here in a couple of hours with cigars and beer. Everytime we get together we produce a lot of material however none of it relates to the story at hand. No doubt in the early hours I'll be back, drunk and abusive, and will force a block on myself to avoid the inevitable problems I'll inflict upon the community. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 04:39, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Well as fucking suspected. Ace made hilarity happen to all around at the party. Then, on the way home, got a cracked rib by some fat piece of shit that saw fit to punch Ace in the chest. I was minding my own business, walking home, and some fucking prick cracked me for no reason in the street. I turned to give his due back when I realised the guy weighed 300 pound and had 5 of his 300 pound mates with him. A daunting fight for a single 6,3" Ace, of slim build and all alone. So I stumbled around home, clutching my chest in agony. When I arrive near my house, what do I see? Some guy in a hood walking and opening my front gate and taking himself up the path. I caught up with the fucker and asked what the hell he thought he was doing? No proper answer was forthcoming so, cracked rib and all, I grabbed him and tossed him in to the street with the promise that if he came back he would be lucky to spend his days pissing into a colostomy bag. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 14:13, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Glad to see you preaching the evils of the drink. Scarlet A.pngbomination 14:20, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
Ho, hum, another evening in New Zealand's more proper districts. Why we never haz photos? Hehe. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)