RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Jordan Lasker

Jordan Lasker | Result: Keep

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1. This article is hot garbage. It says very little about Lasker aside from "he did some stuff alongside Emil Kirkgaard" and "he is suspected of having alt accounts on Reddit and Xitter." Like, okay? This is very clearly the product on an online feud, as is made clear by the fact that roughly 3/4ths of this article is focused on shit these suspected "alt accounts" are doing and saying. It's so fucking dumb, and we don't need shit like this on RW. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 20:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   "we don't need shit like this on RW". And how many RW articles have you created? It appears you have created no articles on this website and you only use it a soapbox to complain about your political fears. This is why people are leaving this website in droves. There is hardly any productive users on here. 64.227.41.182 (talk) 23:31, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   "it appears you have created no articles on this website" HAHAHA! You serious? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 17:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

   Bro, you haven't created an article in 3 years and in total you have created 6 articles in the space of over 7 years on this website. Is 6 articles a lot in over 7 years? Your 6 articles including Holy Roman Empire, Tiananmen Square Massacre, Iran-Iraq War and French colonial empire are basically copy and paste jobs from Wikipedia. Most people interested in history like that would not use RationalWiki as their number 1 go to, so you haven't helped anyone or debunked anything. You haven't created a single biography. Let us know when you actually become interested in debunking pseudoscience. Perhaps your 2025 new year goal can be to create a decent article on here. 108.61.251.36 (talk) 18:22, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

   Check my userpage, bud. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 21:04, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

2. This is the sort of thing that might put us into trouble again. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 21:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
3. It is not proven Lasker is the person who owns the Cremieux Recueil and TrannyPorn0 accounts although the evidence suggests it is very likely (while I did not create the page I added some of this evidence based on quoting a X thread based on evidence someone else compiled) but since it is not proven I don't think it makes sense to have a page if it has not been proven Lasker is Cremieux. I could be wrong though seeming as the Cremieux account is one of the most popular HBD/eugenics accounts on X and are noteworthy. Anti-eugenicist (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
4. I don't think we need this drama. This is not meta-wikipedia, for bob's sake. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 22:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
5. Christopher (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
6. Internet drama bores me to tears. That kind of unsubstantiated "He might be this person who posted this stuff on that website" does not belong on RW. And we are not here to be used in people's online feuds. Spud (talk) 14:51, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   But we are here to document bad actors. Carthage (talk) 14:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   The first person on the internet to suspect that Jordan Lasker was those other accounts is the official RationalWiki Twitter (X) account https://x.com/RationalWiki/status/1790820400361804083 it's odd why RationalWiki staff here are wanting the article deleted because the person who is running the official RW Twitter account has some history debating Jordan Lasker and knows about his nonsense and alternative accounts. If this webpage is deleted there will be no critical coverage of Lasker on the web and he will see this as a great victory. 161.35.165.190 (talk) 16:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

7. Based on 1) poor quality 2) unproven allegations 3) apparent bad-faith editing (PolyStan/Roggenwolf). Bongolian (talk) 16:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   This isn't a delete. There are peer-reviewed papers criticizing Lasker's racist research as containing "severe theoretical, methodological, and rhetorical flaws" as found here [1]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:47, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

   There is also a 2-page criticism of one of his papers [2] Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:58, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

   Please unlock the article! I know of other peer-reviewed research refuting Lasker's 2019 study. 167.71.133.70 (talk) 18:37, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Keep

1. While I agree the article is garbage, I don't believe the principle of having an article is garbage. I suggest someone quickly goes along, hacks out the pointless/risky crap out of the article [even if it reduces it to a semi-stub] and then leaves it for someone in the future to improve. After all, from what little I know about this person suggests to me is the very sort of person who should be covered by RW, esp as WP don't have anything on him. KarmaPolice (talk) 21:07, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   The article is fine as is. In fact, we should expand it! PolyStan (talk) 21:13, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   If the keep vote wins, I will indeed take a hacksaw to this article. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 21:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   I can't comment on your talk page, but please don't do that either. People should absolutely know that he is a Nazi. And calling his account "Trannyporno" makes it all even more ironic, hahaha. People should also know about his fascist wikipedia propagandizing! PolyStan (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   I don't believe @PolyStan is a good faith editor (see their reverted edits on Jonathan Anomaly). They are also adding unsourced, dubious and potentially libellous claims. No evidence offered that Lasker is a "Nazi" same as the very questionable statement on Anomaly's article he is pro-Apartheid. My personal view is this is a troll account making a parody and deliberately adding over-the-top claims to discredit articles. They are also likely a sockpuppet of @Roggenwolf. Anti-eugenicist (talk) 22:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

   Special:Blocklist confirms that PolyStan and Roggenwolf share an IP and are thus the same person. Plutocow (talk) 22:26, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

2. Not a "garbage" article originally, there was no issue until this article was highjacked by a couple of troll accounts. I suggest reverting to the original version that I wrote [3]. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:20, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
3. I think it's worth having an article on people like Lasker, so that people are aware of who they're dealing with if they come into contact with him or see something of his get cited. That said, I would like this article to have more detail on what Lasker actually says, rather than who he's affiliated with (although that stuff is good too). Carthage (talk) 16:34, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
4. Jordan Lasker is one of the main HBD pseudoscience people with Kirkegaard, Dutton, Curtis Dunkel etc. If you are deleting this article, are you deleting all the others as well? I think not, so it doesn't make sense to delete this. The page is useful for people who come here from Google to see who Lasker is. Without this article there is no collected documentation on any other weblink of the racist nonsense he is part of. 161.35.165.190 (talk) 16:38, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   We can move the section on the evidence suggesting (but not proving) he is the pseudonyms to the talk page. I think talk pages stay up even if mainspace articles are removed. Anti-eugenicist (talk) 16:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

   Talk pages stay up, yeah, but content on talk pages can get removed under certain circumstances. Carthage (talk) 19:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

5. He's missional, yes the article probs could do with cleanup but deletion is not cleanup. Lavalizard101 (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
6. Improve the article, don't delete it. A somebody. (talk) 01:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
7. Changed my vote based on above. Anti-eugenicist (talk) 01:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC)