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References before navsidebars no longer working[edit]

How did we fix this last time? Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 21:24, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Searching through the archives doesn't turn up anything and it's still broken. Christopher (talk) 19:50, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

When I first tested this a couple of days ago clicking on the "[1]" did nothing, now it sends me to the first reference below the navsidebar which is sort of worse. Christopher (talk) 16:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't see this, this was the cause of the technical issue I raised on the saloon bar like a total noob. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 16:38, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't think this was ever fixed. I don't recall with 100% certainty, but I believe I tracked it down to some bug in the MediWiki bug tracker. Carpetsmoker (talk) 01:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I just remembered: it was a bug in the DPL extension that RW uses. I set up a test wiki with some drop-in rewrite of the DPL extension that we use which fixed the problem.

Not sure why David scrapped so much of his talk page history, but I found it here. Here's a direct link to the bug. Carpetsmoker (talk) 02:00, 5 June 2017 (UTC)

I think this is resolved. See Goat. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 19:51, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Loss of session data[edit]

I just got this error message, without realizing it ever happens (thus no copy to back up). Very frustrating given the volume of text and references that were lost (thereby ensuring the epigenetics article remains a citation-deficient stub); trying to go back to the edit page didn't work. I don't know if this is due to high text volume--if so, this error would be happening every time someone tries to write a new article (e.g., on Whitehead's pray-the-gay-away text My Genes Made Me Do It!). (OverpoweredHellriegel1915) 14:03, 12 November 2016

Nobody else has reported this in half a year, so I'm presuming it was a one-off issue. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 20:06, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

A possible red ![edit]

(User rights log); 14:44 . . Christopher (Talk I contribs I block) changed group membership for User:Love from autopatrolled to Sysop ‎(Not many edits but been here a while.)

02:50, 11 June 2017 ClickerClock (talk I contribs I block) changed group membership for Naiant from Autopatrolled to Autopatrolled and Sysop (consistent and great edits!)

The latter is less frequent by far, but I can't help but wonder, is the former a mistake? Was it not a mistake, but now one in the new version of Mediawiki? Part of the reason I'm so painfully shy most of the time, is how concerned I am with the way others see me. I don't get ReCAPTCHA tests, but I'm worried that being an autoconfirmed sysop might automatically cover that aspect of Autopatrolled but not the red !. ~ ♥ 22:38, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

If you look at Special:ListGroupRights sysops get all the rights autopatrolled users get so having both is redundant. Christopher (talk) 08:38, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Gotch. This wasn't really the kind of thing I'd expect would be in Special:SpecialPages, and "User group rights" sounds like it could be something different anyway, so thanks for clearing that up! ~ ♥ 08:56, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Watch page default[edit]

The default is now for "watch this page" to be set after one edits a page. Previously it was not set. I think "not set" is the better default (it will also reduce excessive server emails). Bongolian (talk) 04:29, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Second, if changeable oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 13:51, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Thats so annoying ClickerClock (talk) 04:32, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Says the HISTORY file: "Since 1.23, preferences 'watchcreations', 'watchdefault', 'enotifwatchlistpages' ("Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist", "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist", "Email me when a page or file on my watchlist is changed") are now enabled by default." Do you want all three to be disabled again? I submitted a pull request, see if it looks correct to you: https://github.com/RationalWiki/rw-config/pull/1/files -- Tim Starling (talk) 06:29, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Yes, that seems about right. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 12:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Though, in all fairness, "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist" should totally be enabled by default (IMO). Disable the other two, however. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 08:48, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

@Reverend Black Percy I created a pull request to do this. See https://github.com/RationalWiki/rw-config/pull/2/files. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 20:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Russian RationalWiki is slightly broken[edit]

It now shows RationalWiki instead of РациоВики in the title, and the logo is missing. Pls fix. —AshKetchum (talk) 14:25, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

I've fixed one of the problems, {{SITENAME}} should probably be changed to РациоВики but I think that would require server access. I can't help you with the missing logo, I assume it's something in Common.css. Christopher (talk) 15:34, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Log in to GitHub
Go to https://github.com/RationalWiki/rw-config
Click "RWSettings.php"
Click on the pencil icon at the top right of the source file
You see that $wgSitename is the same for both wikis, set around line 47. It should be in the wiki specific bit around lines 30 and 40.
Enter a commit message and click "propose file change"
Then I will approve and deploy it.

RationalWiki's lack of volunteer system administrators very nearly reached a crisis point, it threatened the continuation of the project. I feel like if I inspire a few people to do things for themselves, we will be a lot closer to sustainability. I'm not promising to look after this site indefinitely. -- Tim Starling (talk) 00:36, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Every minute you spend helping us through the current 'transitional phase' is super-appreciated, Tim. The moment you wanna call it quits, we understand completely. But until you do, you ought to know that you make one hell of a difference around here. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 03:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I should get a Github account.ClickerClock (talk) 04:28, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Tim Starling I created a pull request to do this. See https://github.com/RationalWiki/rw-config/pull/2/files. FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 20:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Funspace logo not displaying[edit]

See Fun:Photo_funnies. Probably MediaWiki:Common.css needs updating. Note to self. oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 20:23, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Still doesn't work for me. Tried purging, tried ctrl+F5, got nothing. Doing a search for "logo" in the source code of that page, I found this:

<div id="mw-panel"> <div id="p-logo" role="banner"><a class="mw-wiki-logo" href="/wiki/Main_Page" title="Visit the main page"></a></div>

Does that help? ~ ♥ 23:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Check it again -- see Fun:Goatse and Fun_talk:Goatse, use CTRL-SHIFT-R. Old image link was just deprecated by the upgrade. Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 00:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Sidenote: I'd like to make another plug for official use of File:Rationalcrystal.png:

List'o'benefits:

It's less pretentious than a brain ^{even though it's still a brain}
It emphasizes "wiki" (to fit our recognition that we suck sometimes)
It fits the blue color scheme of MediaWiki
It looks modern-ish

Right after updating our software would be a good time for a new logo, eh? Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 00:53, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Funspace logo works now, no purge or special super-refresh needed.

I'll have to vote against the new logo, though; List'o'side-effects:

Manages to combine the haughtiness of a brain (earned haughtiness, mind you, which distinguishes it from pretention) with the pure, 100% genuine hipster pretentiousness of "a crystal that sorta kinda looks like a brain, at least if someone tells you it's supposed to be a brain"
This wiki may have encountered varying levels of suck before, but I haven't personally experienced any of it, and from what I've seen skimming talk pages I definitely don't want to start now; we should emphasize "Rational" as much as possible, even if some loudmouths see it as a "fake it 'till you make it" tactic at best
If I had the patience for it I could probably dig through http://wikiindex.org for all sorts of examples of wikis showing that straying from the default color scheme can be a good thing
It looks postmodern-ish
Crystals are magical and magic is the opposite of science and rationality, making crystals our sworn enemy. (I mean, they're practically part & parcel in New_Ager parliance. Would you try finding one that doesn't like crystals?) ~ ♥ 04:12, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, RW:Tech is not the proper forum in which to suggest a new logo design. That'd be the Saloon Bar. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Vandal brake error[edit]

Opening the vandal brake page (here) isn't possible for me, upon which the following text appears instead:

Exception encountered, of type "Error"

Until this is fixed, feel free to block offenders more frivolously than otherwise. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:49, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Resolved: VandalBrake should work now, I vandal binned myself and tested the rate limiting. -- Tim Starling (talk) 06:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks Tim!

Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Running afoul of spamfilter[edit]

The spamfilter doesn't like an edit I'm trying to make to earthquake prediction. It doesn't provide any information on why, but looking through the edit I don't see anything obviously spammy. Also it's just text, no external links.

I can paste the diff if that's helpful. Dogs (talk) 02:32, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's up. For now, I've given you autopatrolled, which should make the edit filter back off, and added your edit in. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 02:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Technical problems on RussionalWiki[edit]

Special:Log (or what I presume is Special:Log) says something about a database error and doesn't show anything, link. Christopher (talk) 19:51, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

ahh shit. Well. One thing we're going to be doing is bringing everything into THE FUTURE, i.e. with Tim's wonderful assistance we are preparing to NUKE RATIONALWIKI AHAHAHAHAHA and ah put it on a new server. Running 1.27. So that'll be good. ru:rw will come with it, 'cos it's tiny and edited slowly but it's still ours and we want to keep it. So fixes will wait until that I suspect - David Gerard (talk) 21:40, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I must point out that all my knowledge of if ru:rw is even working is people commenting here. So if ru:rw readers could do that ... I've alerted Tim to its existence as we sort out the nuke-and-pave - David Gerard (talk) 22:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

I had a look at how it was configured, it was so horrifying that I immediately upgraded it. It now uses a shared MW source tree with the English RationalWiki. Special:Log appears to work now. -- Tim Starling (talk) 00:51, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Still doesn't work for me. Christopher (talk) 07:28, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

hrm, guess we'll see when it's finally 1.27 - David Gerard (talk) 12:58, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

After the server change stuff it still doesn't work and the search is broken (ish). Christopher (talk) 07:57, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I fixed search on ru.rw. When you say Special:Log "says something about a database error", do you mean that Special:Ipblocklist says "Fatal exception of type "MWException""? Now that we have error logs for that wiki, it seems like it's the only candidate, despite being quite a long way from your original description. -- Tim Starling (talk) 06:06, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

It has worked since the server update, the two probably aren't connected though. Christopher (talk) 20:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

"MediaWiki internal error"[edit]

A few pages generate a completely blank page, with only:

MediaWiki internal error.

Exception caught inside exception handler.

Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.

Examples: Userbox, RationalWiki:How I found RationalWiki -^{— Unsigned, by: Kazitor / talk / contribs}

You and ClickerClock have your "math" preference set to "mathml", which is supposed to be disabled with $wgMathValidModes, but is displayed in preferences anyway. In 1.27, the MathML option requires RESTBase and Mathoid, which are not installed at the moment. I'll just change your preferences for now. -- Tim Starling (talk) 05:44, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Cool, thanks —Kazitor, ^pending 06:54, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

ImageFilter error[edit]

This also happens when you upload a photo through Special:Upload. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 20:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

That's not related to VandalBrake. There's are log entries with the message "Error from line 81 of /srv/rw_common/extensions/ImageFilter/ImageFilter.php: Call to undefined method Revision::getRawText()" -- Tim Starling (talk) 06:45, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I rewrote the ImageFilter extension. Now parsing is done like all other double-underscore switches, so you can include __NSFW__ via a template. If it's inside a comment (as is the current standard usage) it won't do anything. It may take a few minutes after adding the tag for the page_props table to be updated, and thus for the images to be hidden. -- Tim Starling (talk) 00:02, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Tim. In the future, is there any easy way for users/admins to quickly check logs for issues like that? Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 00:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

You need shell access. WMF has a complicated system for storing logs and showing them on the web via a password protected interface, but setting up such a thing is not high on my priority list. You can have shell access if you want. -- Tim Starling (talk) 02:23, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Phantom redirects to Wikipedia[edit]

This discussion was moved here from RationalWiki:Saloon bar.

I just stumbled across this webpage, which automatically redirects to Wikipedia:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wp:Trump_SoHo

There are a lot of others:

…

How did this get there? How can they be removed?

They don't turn up in RW search. I found the latter ones from a Google search: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22rationalwiki.org%2Fwiki%2FWp%3A%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=%22rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wp:%22+site:rationalwiki.org

Bongolian (talk) 19:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

These may have been generated by the search engine during the brief period when the customary ways of linking to Wikipedia were broken and instead led to redlinked pages with titles like Wp:Xenu. Probably not a problem, and if it is, it isn't ours. - Smerdis of Tlön, ^{LOAD "*", 8, 1.} 20:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

This happens with every URL starting with rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wp: (including random gibberish like http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wp:jshsuhdhdh), it's to stop someone making a page starting with "WP:" meaning either the RW page can't be linked to (most likely) or the corresponding Wikipedia page can't be linked to using interwikis. Christopher (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The old system to link to Wikipedia using brackets works again. I'll have to fix again those I changed. Grrrr. Panzerfaust (talk) 23:36, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Where's the "change visibility" button?[edit]

-DiamondDisc1(talk) 03:39, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

I can see it just fine.ClickerClock (talk) 11:49, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

References visual glitch[edit]

I clicked on [3] and this happened. No it is not because of my custom CSS, it worked fine with my custom CSS before. ClickerClock (talk) 12:53, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Resolved: Never mind. The visual glitch just fixed itself. --ClickerClock (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

The collapse template is broken[edit]

It doesn't collapse. Christopher (talk) 20:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It should work now. Try it. ClickerClock (talk) 08:49, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Resolved: I tested {{collapse}} in my sandbox. It works! --ClickerClock (talk) 12:04, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Indeed. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 13:45, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Username template doesn't work[edit]

{{USERNAME}} doesn't work again. ClickerClock (talk) 05:12, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

The error message says "Javascript parse error: Parse error: Missing ) in parenthetical in file 'MediaWiki:Common.js' on line 583" ClickerClock (talk) 10:56, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, I think I figured it out. Someone with tech rights go to my js page and follow my instructions. ClickerClock (talk) 11:37, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Your fix works. Use CTRL-SHIFT-R or equivalent to purge cache and {{USERNAME}} will work.

However, the console reports:

Use of "wgPageName" is deprecated. Use mw.config instead.
Use of "wgUserName" is deprecated. Use mw.config instead.
Use of "wgUserName" is deprecated. Use mw.config instead.

Will check manual. Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 14:39, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

See MediaWiki talk:Common.js. The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk)

Warning prompt[edit]

Opening the edit dialog on not as bad as provides the following warning in red (at the very top):

Warning: Template:Logfal is calling Template:Navbox with more than one value for the "cat1" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used.

Local or global, I wonder? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't for me. Christopher (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

It's fine for me too. Maybe a one-off glitch?

Navboxs[edit]

Anyone know how to fix it? Adidkskd (talk) 13:02, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Lots of templates are broken.

See Template:Navbox Portal for example. 128.223.223.205 (talk) 18:30, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

The Mediawiki manual says we have to turn $wgUseTidy on for {{navbox}} to work. ClickerClock (talk) 13:05, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Fixed it. We only need Tidy for their navbox style -- if we wanna switch, I'm down. FuzzyCatPotato of the Throbbing Squibbles (talk/stalk) 15:32, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Patrolling through the "X changes" link doesn't patrol the intermediate edits[edit]

I just noticed that patrolling edits from the newfangled "X edits" link seems to be possible, but that same bunch of changes seemed to be appearing in Recent changes as unpatrolled. Either that multi-revision diff shouldn't have a "Mark as patrolled" button or the button should mark all the intermediate edits as patrolled, too. Hertzy (talk) 15:48, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It'd be really nice if intermediate edits could be patrolled. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem possible. See [1][2][3]. Seems the "mark as patrolled" button can only do 1 revision. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 16:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Collapse looks ugly[edit]

It has both [show] and [Collapse] (and [hide] and [Expand]). What gives? FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 14:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

A brief inspection suggests to me that it's the presence of both "collapsible" and "mw-collapsible" classes on the template root. The MW update changed the javascript attached to the latter(?). I'm gonna try removing the former and see if it looks better. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 18:07, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Well, it didn't update the cached raw-html version of this page, so let me copy and paste your collapse to test. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 18:10, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Okay, yeah, mw-collapsible was the one we didn't want. RW-unique "collapsible" is the class to use. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 18:11, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Ikanreed = the only techie I need. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 19:41, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Why can't we use the fancy citation templates?[edit]

Why does Category:Pages containing cite templates with deprecated parameters exists?? ClickerClock (talk) 05:59, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

According to the Template talk:Cite journal, "Because they are a horrific mess." A sentiment that, while not fully technical, has my support. They're a bit of a pain really. Bicycle^wheel

10:01, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

All the gadgets are broken[edit]

It's not the usual problem, the gadgets tab in preferences still exists. All of the gadgets need to be moved to the new "gadget" namespace (and gadget definition) but no one can edit gadgetspace (not even techs). Christopher (talk)

Techs should probably be able to edit gadgets. Christopher (talk) 14:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Where are you getting that "gadgetspace" needs to be edited? Isn't it just MediaWikispace? oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 01:14, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

If you look at Special:ListGroupRights and scroll down to the bottom you'll see a right that gives you the ability to edit gadgets, alternatively if you do this:

Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 3.3.4: Error: No selection criteria found! You must use at least one of the following parameters: category, namespace, titlematch, linksto, uses, createdby, modifiedby, lastmodifiedby, or their 'not' variants

it gives you a list of all namespaces which now includes "gadget" and "gadget definition". I'm guessing gadgets have to be moved to this new namespace to work properly. Christopher (talk) 12:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Go to our Github, ask Starling to add $wgGroupPermissions['tech']['gadgets-edit'] = true; $wgGroupPermissions['tech']['gadgets-definition-editt'] = true; to ## User rights. That should fix it. I shouldn't do it as I do not know PHP. ClickerClock (talk) 08:58, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

I've submitted a pull request. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 16:01, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Resolved: Pull request merged -- Tim Starling (talk) 00:25, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Seems to work -- see http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3APrefixIndex&prefix=&namespace=2300 Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 00:59, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Ping does not work[edit]

Wait, {{ping}} finally works now!? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:42, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

@Reverend Black Percy. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 12:47, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I can't say I saw anything... How about you? @FuzzyCatPotato Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:55, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Nope. Made new section. The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 13:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I think you want the Echo extension -- Tim Starling (talk) 03:32, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Would it be possible for you to help us set that up, Tim? (If anyone could do it we shouldn't bother you with it, though. I ask 'cause I'm an extensions noob.) Thanks! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 08:51, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I've submitted a pull request, but I'm not sure if the changes are enough to add the extension, or if the Echo files themselves need to be added. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 16:03, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Resolved: Thanks for the pull request. We have Echo now. -- Tim Starling (talk) 00:24, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

@FuzzyCatPotato The Fuzz (talk) 01:11, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Gadgets don't work - squid1 problem?[edit]

Special:Gadgets is empty sometimes, and then it works spontaniously. More people have this problem. I noticed that it works in Firefox but not in Chromium!

In Firefox I have:

X-Cache:MISS from squid2.rationalwiki.org
X-Cache-Lookup:"HIT from squid2.rationalwiki.org:80"

But in Chromium:

X-Cache:MISS from squid1.rationalwiki.org
X-Cache-Lookup:MISS from squid1.rationalwiki.org:80

After removing all cookies in firefox I'm "on" squid1, and it works!

So it seems that squid2 is caching stuff that it shouldn't... Or something...

"Everything's a fucking ~~DNS~~ cache problem" Carpetsmoker (talk) 15:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

We literally have a saying at work "there's always another cache", and that sort of shit is why. Applying the MCSE method, i.e. restarting both squids and memcached 'cos I can - David Gerard (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Hm, doesn't look like that fixed it... Requests via squid2 still don't show gadgets; squid1 is still fine. :-/

Are the configs for both machines the same? Because that's typically been the issue whenever I've had problems like this... Carpetsmoker (talk) 06:00, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

Let me check again ... nope, not quite.

squid1

# cat /etc/squid3/squid.conf
http_port 80 accel defaultsite=rationalwiki.org vhost
cache_peer 192.168.162.183  parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=rwiki
acl our_sites dstdomain .rationalwiki.org
acl our_sites2 dstdomain .rationalwiki.com
acl our_sites3 dstdomain .rationalwiki.net
acl blog_sites dstdomain .rationalblogs.org
acl privateip dst 192.168.0.0/16
http_access allow all
cache_peer_access rwiki allow our_sites
cache_peer_access rwiki allow our_sites2
cache_peer_access rwiki allow our_sites3
cache_peer_access rwiki allow blog_sites
cache_peer_access rwiki allow privateip
cache_peer_access rwiki deny all
cache_dir ufs /home/squid 15352 16 512
cache_mem 512 MB
icap_uses_indirect_client off
logformat combined %{X-Forwarded-For}>h %ui %un [%{%d/%b/%Y:%H:%M:%S +0000}tl] "%rm %ru HTTP/%rv" %>Hs %<st "%{Referer}>h" "%{User-Agent}>h" %Ss:%Sh
logformat pagehits [%{%d/%b/%Y:%H:%M:%S +0000}tl] %ru
logfile_rotate 999
strip_query_terms off
access_log /var/log/squid3/access.awstats.log combined
access_log /var/log/squid3/access.pagehits.log pagehits
forwarded_for transparent
visible_hostname squid1.rationalwiki.org

squid2

# cat /etc/squid3/squid.conf
#debug_options ALL,1 33,2 28,9
debug_options ALL,1
http_port 80 accel defaultsite=rationalwiki.org vhost
cache_peer 192.168.171.98  parent 80 0 no-query originserver name=rwiki
acl blog_sites dstdomain .rationalblogs.org
acl our_sites dstdomain .rationalwiki.org
acl our_sites2 dstdomain .rationalwiki.com
acl our_sites3 dstdomain .rationalwiki.net
acl privateip dst 192.168.0.0/16
acl myaccelport port 80
http_access allow our_sites myaccelport
http_access allow our_sites2 myaccelport
http_access allow our_sites3 myaccelport
http_access allow blog_sites myaccelport
cache_peer_access rwiki allow blog_sites
cache_peer_access rwiki allow our_sites
cache_peer_access rwiki allow our_sites2
cache_peer_access rwiki allow our_sites3
cache_peer_access rwiki allow privateip
cache_peer_access rwiki deny all
cache_dir ufs /home/squid 15352 16 512
cache_mem 512 MB
icap_uses_indirect_client off
strip_query_terms off
log_mime_hdrs on
logformat combined %{X-Forwarded-For}>h %ui %un [%{%d/%b/%Y:%H:%M:%S +0000}tl] "%rm %ru HTTP/%rv" %>Hs %<st "%{Referer}>h" "%{User-Agent}>h" %Ss:%Sh
logformat pagehits [%{%d/%b/%Y:%H:%M:%S +0000}tl] %ru
logfile_rotate 999
access_log /var/log/squid3/access.awstats.log combined
access_log /var/log/squid3/access.pagehits.log pagehits
forwarded_for transparent
visible_hostname squid2.rationalwiki.org

This was all set up by Trent ages ago and I am reluctant to mess with it for obvious reasons ... last changed around March or April last year - David Gerard (talk) 16:27, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

What I presume is the same problem is also preventing MediaWiki:Sitenotice from being updated (again, only on squid2). I added a small change a few days ago, which never showed on squid2 in spite of multiple action=purge requests & clearing of local browser cache. Trent updated it this morning, and it still shows on squid2... Carpetsmoker (talk) 21:57, 12 January 2016 (UTC)

Stickied this since it's a common concern. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 21:25, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

This has been going on for long time, here's a mention of it in May 2015. Christopher (talk) 19:02, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

The gadget section in my Preferences disappeared. ClickerClock (talk) 08:13, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

it does that a lot, you'll get them back at some point. Christopher (talk) 15:51, 6 June 2017 (UTC)

Since the server update the gadget section seems to be permanently there (the gadgets don't work, but that's for entirely different reasons). Did someone fix it or am I seeing patterns where none exist? Christopher (talk) 20:56, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Same here. FuzzyCatPotato of the Bloated Rutabagas (talk/stalk) 21:46, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

For now, I've archived the issue -- if anyone complains again, bring this back out to the front page. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 16:48, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Is this spam?[edit]

User:Anders Hellström

It has been here for two years.

ClickerClock (talk) 08:07, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it is. I've deleted the page and blocked the account. How did you come across the page? Christopher (talk) 09:26, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

All the guy did was create a user page with a link to his home page, his email address, and his account at another wiki (and OEIS is loads of fun for all the family, check it out if you haven't already–they've got numbers, and numbers, and more numbers, and numbers coming out of your wazoo....) That is a pretty weak form of spamming. It is only his user page, there isn't any obvious commercial intent, if he'd contributed more than just creating his user page no one would call that user page spam. Deleting his user page and blocking him seems to be a bit of overkill. (((Zack Martin)))^™ 09:50, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Maybe you're right, I'm a bit paranoid when it comes to spam at the moment because we've been getting so much. He's unlikely to come back though. Christopher (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Filter issue[edit]

My IP address (static, non-proxy) was perma-banned after 1, singular edit to the Saloon Bar regarding the data breach due to a filter assuming it was a proxy (100% wrong). I've long been inactive, but this is something that, back when I was a Tech, was completely unacceptable. Please rectify this. The abuse logs should suffice as to figuring out what happened and when. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 07:27, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

If you were perma-banned, it wasn't the editfilter. 1: No enabled editfilters can ban users, and instead only warn/disallow/tag (see Special:AbuseFilter). 2: Logs show only that one user, @Vandal Bin Me!, was prevented from editing the Saloon Bar in the past 8 days (see Special:AbuseLog).

The only other relevant extensions are: TitleBlacklist, which isn't applicable and which we have turned off (both in $wgTitleBlacklistSources and in MediaWiki:Titleblacklist).

This means that, as best as I can tell, your IP or ISP is caught in the proxy blacklist. (See the top of this page.) Could you please check xbl.spamhaus.org, dnsbl.tornevall.org, and all.s5h.net to see if your IP or ISP might be blocked

Paging @Tim Starling, @David Gerard. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 12:02, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I just tried to add the DFTT template to a post on the Saloon Bar, and it triggered it. SMH I Really Like Lady Pirates (talk) 01:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

It was your username. I've renamed you to Female Pirate for now. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 06:51, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Automatic watchlist setting[edit]

It looks like modifying a page now puts the page on one's watchlist by default. This was recently fixed to not do this but is now back to the original post-upgrade setting. Bongolian (talk) 20:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

RWSettings.php reads:

# Less annoying watchlist notifications
$wgDefaultUserOptions['watchcreations'] = 1;
$wgDefaultUserOptions['watchdefault'] = 0;
$wgDefaultUserOptions['enotifwatchlistpages'] = 0;

watchcreations is on, watchdefault is off. Per https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgDefaultUserOptions everything seems to be right. Uninformed guess: The wiki's default settings (from before) are set in your preferences; changing the wiki's default settings doesn't change your preferences. Maybe? Cømяade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 16:47, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

The default notifications seem to have stopped again. My notification settings are:

√ Enable email from other users
Send me copies of emails I send to other users
√ Email me when a page or a file on my watchlist is changed
Email me also for minor edits of pages and files
√ Email me on replies to a thread I am watching

and I haven't changed them for ages. Bongolian (talk) 18:26, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

That's the wrong section. Check http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 17:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Closed this. FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 03:11, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

ReferenceError: importScript is not defined[edit]

On all pages, Chrome console reports:

ReferenceError: importScript is not defined ReferenceError: importScript is not defined
    at eval (eval at <anonymous> (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:4:681), <anonymous>:1:1)
    at eval (<anonymous>)
    at http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:4:681
    at Function.globalEval (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:4:701)
    at Object.<anonymous> (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:163:245)
    at fire (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:45:122)
    at Object.fireWith [as resolveWith] (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:46:431)
    at Object.deferred.(anonymous function) [as ready] (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:47:790)
    at handlePending (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:159:818)
    at markModuleReady (http://rationalwiki.org/w/load.php?debug=false&lang=en&modules=jquery%2Cmediawiki&only=scripts&skin=vector&version=lF5Sw65s:162:648)

FuzzyCatPotato of the Homely Nintendo 64s (talk/stalk) 14:41, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

importScript is deprecated. We are supposed to use mw.loader.load instead. ClickerClock (talk) 07:53, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to implement that. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 17:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

@ClickerClock I changed it in MediaWiki:Common.js but I'm not sure where else it's used. The ReferenceError is still raised. The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 11:34, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

I'm an idiot -- always check whether anon faces same issues. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 03:14, 17 July 2017 (UTC)

Non-secure login (SSL cert)[edit]

When one logs in, and when one changes one's password, one is forced to use a non-encrypted pathway (http rather than https). What gives? Bongolian (talk) 04:27, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

this was mine, need to set up SSL in front of the new Varnish (which we are running through). I have a book to get ready for release in 3 weeks, but will try to find a few hours for this - David Gerard (talk) 12:19, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

Edits marked harmful[edit]

I tried adding a datestamp to a saloon bar section that had been moved to another page, only to get:"Warning: This action has been automatically identified as harmful. Your action matched the edit filter: Edit caught by spamfilter. If this is not spam, please go to <a href="/wiki/RationalWiki:Technical_support" title="RationalWiki:Technical support">RationalWiki:Technical support</a>.

Unconstructive edits will be quickly reverted. Egregious and/or repeated unconstructive editing will result in your account or IP address being blocked.

If you believe this edit to be constructive, please contact an administrator."

please ort this out. Aternatively, whine at me for not logging in, even though I did, only to be logged out when I tried to edit. 79.68.233.43 (talk) 17:17, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Log in, you nitwit!

It's probably because of "Rome Viharo". Sorry about that. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 19:21, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

You apper to have missed the bit where I said. "even though I did, only to be logged out when I tried to edit" Bicycle^wheel

09:28, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, but if you'd just logged in, this woudn't'a happened.

joking! 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 16:55, 31 July 2017 (UTC)