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Like wading thru' treacle! Scream!! (talk) 17:45, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

Working OK for me ... - David Gerard (talk) 18:19, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

"Dox in a box"[edit]

I made this account a few days ago and didn't really do anything with it. Today I tried to add my entry to the How I found RationalWiki page and my edit was immediately flagged as "harmful" for "dox in a box". The content of my edit was

  • Someone said "deepity" on reddit. Google landed me here. I have since been addicted like crack.

If I can post that here, but not on the other page, what's going on?

I have fixed it. Go ahead and try again. -RNS (talk) 06:54, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Citation template problem[edit]

I copied a reference from Wikipedia which uses Template:Cite journal. If you look at the reference, it gives a citation error (linking to Template:Citation error; maybe we should copy that over?). Looking at the list of used templates in the edit window, it looks to me like the cause might be that Template:Cite journal wants Template:Str left, which we don't have. But I'm not completely sure since I'm not a template expert, so I thought I'd have someone else look at it. Also I don't know the procedure for copying over templates from Wikipedia; do we use Special:Import? --Ymir (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

If you want to copy a template over, just copy the wikitext over to an equivalently-named template here. Note that we do not have Lua here yet, so any more recent WP templates that have been converted to Lua won't work on RW - David Gerard (talk) 18:32, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Safari 6.1.6 & Recent Changes[edit]

Safari 6.1.6 is not working with Recent Changes - it hangs the entire site. Everything else works on RW for me - editing, etc. - but when I click on Recent Changes, the browser blanks and never refreshes. If I close the window and try to navigate back to just rationalwiki.org, that is blank too. Moving to a non-rw webpage makes Safari work again, and then I can return to rw. This problem with Recent Changes does not happen in Chrome on the same computer. Hmmm? DogP (talk) 18:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

This briefly happened to me desktop and iOS with certain combinations of OS and Safari. From Apple, as a first try:
  • From your Safari menu bar click Safari > Preferences then select the Privacy tab.
  • Click:   Remove All Website Data
  • Then delete the cache.
  • Open a Finder window. From the Finder menu bar click Go > Go to Folder
  • Type or copy paste the following
  • ~/Library/Caches/com.apple.Safari/Cache.db
  • Click Go then move the Cache.db file to the Trash.
  • Quit and relaunch Safari to test.
  • In network preferences,meet your DNS servers to a free open server if they're pointing to your ISP's or vice versa.

If that doesn't work, post a screenshot of the network panel from the developer console and see if any part of the DOM is loading and whether you can download CSS and .js files. David, did you guys turn on file compression when traffic was intermittently overwhelming last year? When I was trying to figure this out, it looked like Safari was unable to unzip some files getting served up by the new load balancer system. Nutty Roux (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The real answer is probably MediaWiki 1.23. I need to get onto rationalbeta again ... - David Gerard (talk) 22:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
I think it's Apache. There's some discussion of similar problems on stackoverflow mentioning Apache chunk encoding and browsers having trouble with zero file sizes. Is compression enabled on one load balancer but not the other? Does one load balancer handle cached stuff and the other dynamically generated pages? Nutty Roux (talk) 23:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
That sounds completely weird. SO links welcomed. They should be configured identically, but of course without an actual mechanism slippage happens - David Gerard (talk) 23:56, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Intercom notice about the Board of Trustees nomination[edit]

Please. I tried to do it, but the new message page provides only a "preview" button, and it sends me to a blank page.--ZooGuard (talk) 09:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

*bump* --ZooGuard (talk) 07:14, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
I tried poking it with what I knew, but it seemed to just freeze up each and every time. Looks like it is something that'll require Trent or David to fix. Noisemobile (talk) 07:20, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

I figured it out and left instructions for you on your talkpage. Let me know if you want me to do it instead, or if you have any other issues along the way to sending it out. Noisemobile (talk) 07:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll try posting a notice about the nominations. Apparently I'll also have to write a help page about using the Intercom.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:33, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
Ugh, apparently I can't post in the "Site wide (urgent)" group, only "General site news" and the other groups, even though I have checked it in "Configure groups" - it just doesn't appear in the drop-down list. I think one needs to have "tech" rights to post in that one.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:40, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
What's urgent about it. It will be open for weeks. IIRC preview hasn't worked for a long time. Not sure if there actually is a rights limitation, but that would make sense since we've had some real dummies posting intercom messages. Anyhow, sorted. Nutty Roux (talk) 15:48, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
For my and others' future reference, Goonie told me I was wrong and Zooguard was right — apparently general messages don't show up where urgent ones do? Maybe I've got that wrong, but if anyone finds this while fussing with the intercom, just be aware there's some kind of issue to figure out. Nutty Roux (talk) 20:23, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Link blacklist?[edit]

Is there a link blacklist to tack on a website that is consistently used to harass and harangue me because of a stupid misunderstanding that internet persons of a crocodilian variety like to use?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

You want to blacklist ED?--ZooGuard (talk) 08:32, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
No I want to blacklist a particular archive.today link that has been used to consistently harass me. Or maybe my ED page as well.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 09:04, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
There is a spam/trolling links edit filter that the link can be adeed to. You'll need somebody with Tech rights to do it. (talk) 09:10, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Your famous use of -chan jargon ouside of a -chan board? :D I understand why you may be sick of dealing with that, but blacklisting a specific link is a bit too much. If I were you, I'd make a template explaining the situation and slap it anywhere where that showed up.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
I've got tech rights. Someone gave them to me to help monitor a recurring troll's autoblock. I think it's safe to say there's never going to be much need for linking to a page about one of our users, and I wouldn't be abusing that trust to add your couple links. Ikanreed (talk) 15:17, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Should we start blocking them for you too? Oh right. How about you just stop talking to them rather than asking for special treatment? They'd stop if you could just shut your mouth for a while — you'd go from "fun highly reactive and emotive target who flails like a child" to "boring". Give it a shot? Nutty Roux (talk) 15:54, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, he could do that, but you know, being purposefully targeted by an established conspiracy is a bit different from your day-to-day trolling by dumb kids. Have you considered what it's like to be told, "People are intentionally targeting you, so stop being such a target by existing"? Ikanreed (talk) 15:59, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Reading. Learn it. Not talking to people targeting you means you don't indulge them the reaction you were giving them. It is what I would call an example of being prudent. Blacklisting two links isn't going to stop them from coming over here to poke Ryulong with a stick. Ryulong would need to continue blocking them to achieve that. It's going to stop them from posting two links when they come here to poke him with a stick. I suggest you all just lock the page to anyone below sysop. Nutty Roux (talk) 16:13, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Also, not tweeting about "fags" would probably be a wise move. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, okay. I fully acknowledge that there's no need for a technical solution to the problem. Ikanreed (talk) 16:24, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Considering it's hosted on some sort of image archive service, and all one would have to do is re-archive the image with a fresh URL, probably right. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
It shouldn't matter what I wrote (still gay you know) but the issue is that I've done all I can to own up to it and a conspiracy brigade has used the same and worse language throughout their existence directed at me and others. No one needs to link to that one thing here ever.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 20:38, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Internal error in ApiResult::setIndexedTagName[edit]


doesn't recognize the property "loginfo" - it should work like




Can something be done? --larron (talk) 14:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki version difference? AFAIK, RW is not running the same MW version as WP.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:42, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
We're still on 1.19 here. (Need to go to 1.23. I need to start having active fun with RationalBeta ...) Did that query work here before? - David Gerard (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your replies - it isn't important, just surprising...
--larron (talk) 22:12, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, it does say it should work, doesn't it ... and the relevant code appears to be present. I have no idea what to do to fix this, but you are correct that it is in fact supposed to work - David Gerard (talk) 22:21, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

A new spam filtering rule may be necessary[edit]

See Do you know these treatments for ADHD? and Is it Effective for Quitting Smoking? --ZooGuard (talk) 12:29, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Both posted by the same account. Why would a filter be needed to deal with it? ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:36, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that only after posting the above.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:42, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Intercom request: board elections notice[edit]

Someone with Intercom rights needs to post a notice about the election in "sitewide (urgent)". Bicycle Wheel has posted one in "General site news", but that appears only to people who are already in that group.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for figuring out the groups rights issue. Nutty Roux (talk) 14:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Email notification and hidden diffs.[edit]

The email notification for changed visibility of a revision on your talk page instead tells you that the page has been created. This was the email notification I received when AgingHippie hid some doxxing comments on my user page.

The RationalWiki page User talk:TiaC has been created on 16 February 2015 by AgingHippie, see http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:TiaC for the current revision.
This is a new page.
Editor's summary: This is starting to look a lot like doxxing to me, digging up 10-year old forum posts

--TiaC (talk) 01:01, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


How do you do the [citation needed] thing? Supper's Ready (talk) 20:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

{{fact}}. BicyclewheelModerator 20:19, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay thank you. Supper's Ready (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Fair use upload form[edit]

The "fair use upload form" on MediaWiki:Uploadtext (on the last line) doesn't work correctly. The "Fair use" link on RationalWiki:Upload does. (Both are supposed to do the same.) Also, RW may need some cleanup/maintenance of the file upload pages, as well as a general cleanup of the uploaded files.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

I believe any 'crat can edit Mediawiki: space. (Which appears not to be you, but there should be some around.) - David Gerard (talk) 13:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Actually, I need a RationalWiki:Tech, but those seem to be in short supply.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:33, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
This is the first time I've ever seen that form. I will look at it when I get back to a computer tomorrow. Nutty Roux (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Abuse filter request: YouTube talkpage spam[edit]

Is it possible to set the abuse filter to stop non-autoconfirmed users to post more than three YouTube or Google links on talk pages? It would help with the person who has decided that the best way to combat the Illuminati is spamming RW's talk pages with links to videos. Or I can just block them.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Perhaps. How often is this happening? Nutty Roux (talk) 14:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Couple of times per week an "IlLUMINATI ARE EVERYWHERE" dumps a load of links. Someone catches it every time. Scream!! (talk) 15:09, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
ZG, have you considered emailing Trent or Gerard to ask for a tech bit? Nutty Roux (talk) 15:30, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Here. What were the requirements for a tech bit again? (Not that I have any objection, but I vaguely recall there were some) - David Gerard (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
We never really had any that I can recall. I usually use the standard that 1) they have to have been a good faith editor for more than a year 2) they have to have demonstrated some technical ability here and 3) they have to have the general trust of the community not to screw things up. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 17:19, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Yer a wizzard, ZooGuard. Please don't break all of everything. (AbuseFilter is something you can break quite a lot of things with, as Noisebot has discovered - always test thoroughly.) - David Gerard (talk) 18:41, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for using the Roy Wood spelling of "wizzard". BicyclewheelModerator 21:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Error with Navsidebar in Politics articles[edit]

I get an error in the "Random strands and actors" section in each page with that Navsidebar, like Politics:

Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 1.8.9 : No results found.

Super Dude, What does mine say? Sweet! 10:40, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It's trying to pull two random articles from Category:Politicians, but there are no articles in that category - everyone has been sorted into sub-categories. I don't know if it's a recent development or not. I suspect that someone will have to shout at a certain user, but I don't have time right now to determine who's responsible and when it happened.--ZooGuard (talk) 11:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Protecting pages (moved from Forum)[edit]

Can someone please explain how this is done? Are normal users able to do this? Thanks — — Unsigned, by: Mouse / talk / contribs contribs 03:47, 5 March 2015‎

It requires simple cleaning supplies and elbow grease. User:ikanreed User talk:ikanread 03:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
'Sysop POWERS'™ are required. Then it's a simple matter of clicking the 'down arrow' at the top of the page and doing stuff. Scream!! (talk)11:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Reporting disallowed constructive edit on Doxing[edit]

Reporting an error I received on my attempted edit to Doxing, with this message:

This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed.
If you believe your edit was constructive, please report this error. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Dox in a box

The old text (still current) was/is:

...this can bring real pain to innocent people who...

The attempted change:

...this can bring real pain to additional people who...

The attempted summary, marked 'minor', was:

In case of name confusion, "this can bring real pain to *additional* people" [oldid suggests the orig target was not innocent]

What rule was violated, and how do I save this edit? Mathglot (talk) 02:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

You didn't do anything wrong. You tripped an edit filter intended to catch drive-by dox dropping. I'm not going to state the criteria the rule is looking for, but suffice it to say make a few more edits and I'll wave a magic wand and you're all good. For the time being, you can edit any other page no problem regardless. Nutty Roux (talk) 03:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Images ?[edit]

Can I upload [1] for my page or is that a slippery slope towards fucking up the place ? The ever unpresent Westonbirt 18:55, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Sure! Just remember to properly attribute it. FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 19:00, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

PiBot is down[edit]

Originally, "PiBot on my talk page".--ZooGuard (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Hey -- I have PiBot set up to archive my talk page every 48 hrs, but there's stuff going back longer than that. Can someone more knowledgeable than I please tell me what I have done wrong? Many thanks. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 17:30, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Its last edit was on 1 February: Special:Contributions/Pibot. It looks like it may be down.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
I've asked Pi about it: User talk:Π.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
I've tested pywikibot's archivebot script under User:ZooBot. It seems that I've managed to configure it, but it looks like Pibot had some extra features, such as the "sticky" keyword, that the generic script lacks, so I don't want to risk running it to clear the backlog.--ZooGuard (talk) 19:13, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
So I ran ZooBot with a modified archivebot script and it managed to clear most of the backlog. I even convinced it to archive the Saloon Bar. I also found a few cases of misconfigured Pibot templates. User:MadmanJohnson had managed to convince Pibot to delete old threads from his talk page without actually archiving them, though I'm not sure if it was evil genius or just plain incompetence.--ZooGuard (talk) 21:33, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
It's like the wiki just took a huge poop it really needed. Well done! - David Gerard (talk) 21:54, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

OK, so Pi has replied, and it seems that they can't help. Who runs Pibot and where?--ZooGuard (talk) 08:49, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Not on any box I have root on, unfortunately - David Gerard (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

It also appears that one of the capturebot is down. WIGO:CP doesn't seem to be keeping screencap automatically anymore. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 13:53, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it runs on the same box as pibot ran on. Trent has access to it, I don't - David Gerard (talk) 16:10, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Any fixes on the hirizon? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 20:28, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I've given up waiting for pibot. If I see a page needs archiving, I archive it. BicyclewheelModerator 22:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Just in case someone hasn't noticed it, User:ZooBot has been in charge for archiving Pibot-enabled talk pages. Look at the Recent changes with bot edits shown every day after 10:00 UTC.--ZooGuard (talk) 11:56, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

DPL Extension problem[edit]

A template on this page has the following error message: "Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 1.8.9 : No results found.". You know, where the problem is (Screenshot)?--Arisboch (talk) 00:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

It's because Category:Politicians has become a meta-category, which DPL can't handle. I've just removed it, since the alternate involves doing work FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ﹐ Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 01:03, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

User:DeadMan Wonderland/monbook.js[edit]

Plz remove template link from page someone with better permissions than me thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 15:39, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Done.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:01, 14 March 2015 (UTC)


I assure you...[edit]

That by simply attempting to link to my Wikipedia userpage I am not attempting to spam. And yes, it is the same person. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 22:09, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about the captcha? You only have 2 edits, you can't just expect to be taken at your word the moment you showed up, it'll go away as time passes and there doesn't appear to be a tech issue. --Miekal 22:14, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I don't mind the captcha, it blocked me from posting the link even after I correctly entered said captcha. It's not the biggest deal in the world, but I figured you might want to know your filter is blocking such innocuous things as a Wikipedia userpage. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:34, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
it's adding a link to your userpage too early - David Gerard (talk) 23:26, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Fair enough, like I said it's not a big deal in the grand scheme of things. Just wasn't sure if it was intentional, I think I'll live if I have to wait four more edits :) The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:12, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Unreferenced articles[edit]

Is there a way of finding unreferenced articles? Other than trawling through every page, that is. BicyclewheelModerator 09:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Category:Articles with unsourced statements? Alternatively, the auto-generated list of transclusions of Template:Fact, though the few cases when it's used ironically will make it contain more pages than the category.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:44, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
but that's only for disputed statements, not unreferenced articles as a whole. BicyclewheelModerator 10:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Well... I can see maybe using Special:Export in conjunction with Special:AllPages to export the files, build an xml crawler and look for articles lacking <ref>. But that would take a while. Alternatively, we could add a hidden category to <references />, but that might be a bad idea. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 13:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
what you'd need is a way of adding all articles tocategory:Unreferenced articles, and get <references><nowiki> and <nowiki>{{reflist}} to suppress such inclusion. And have it only in mainspace. Hmmm. BicyclewheelModerator 13:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
JW, why would you want to find articles w/o references? ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 14:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Because unsourced/unreffed articles are hotbeds for wrong information and also libel, as well as just looking unprofessional? --Miekal 15:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Maybe, but articles with 0 references also tend to be stubs that nobody will ever read. Bicycle, it's probably more efficient to try and clear out the articles with unsourced statements before doing this. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 16:10, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
both need to be done. We may as well make up the list now even if we're not gonna deal with it yet. Also an article with no sources is by definition filled with unsourced statements.--Miekal 16:25, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
True. Lemme try smth FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 17:45, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Not all unreferenced articles are stubs. I came here because of the Martyr article, which was uncited until I added a couple yesterday. BicyclewheelModerator 09:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

I might be able to make a bot that will be able to get the articles in a given category and count the references in each one with relatively little effort.--ZooGuard (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

is there one on WP that you could, ahem, "borrow"? BicyclewheelModerator 19:13, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Surprisingly, no, and I've spent some time looking. I'll try to cobble something on top of pywikibot re-using parts of existing scripts. Sorry for the delay, it's holiday time here. Don't expect me to finish it before the egg-bashing is over.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Is Pibot back?[edit]

And who is in charge of it? (Look at Special:Contributions/Pibot - I dropped out for a few days and it appeared. It may have been active longer than that, with ZooBot not leaving any work for it.)--ZooGuard (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

It's back, but for some reason it ignores some pages, which ZooBot archives correctly. Can whoever is running it please stand up?--ZooGuard (talk) 07:43, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm going to block it to see if anyone will notice.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Something useful we used to have but don't have anymore. Can we get it back some how?[edit]

We used to have something where we had an "edit" button for editing the lead section of the article itself. Would it be possible to get that back? It was most helpful on highly edited pages to avoid edit conflicts. Pretty please? I'll even make a David Gerard-style martini and post a picture of it if needed. John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt (talk) 00:49, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Add &section=0 to the end of the URL. Alternatively steal the "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" from Wikipedia.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:52, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
We do have it. It's a gadget. The gadgets only work 25% of the time. 32℉uzzy, 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 02:57, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
The gadgets are flaky - David Gerard (talk) 15:05, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
I don't have a gadgets tab – is the sofware update likely to result in an improvement in gadget performance? pablo 11:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Well, unlikely to make it worse ... - David Gerard (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Splendid news, thanks! pablo 15:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I dun scripted it up reel gud! (read: cheaply and awfully, but you can steal it from my vector.js) SockTheory 14:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)


Someone should fix things so my work around isn't necessary.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:42, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

1.23, Lua, Scribunto (good idea, yes) - David Gerard (talk) 17:41, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

An editing feature I would love to see.[edit]

Is there any way to do one of the following: 1. have the edit window have an option in which everything in between ref tags is replaced by a single-character place holder to facilitate reading and editing something like a 5 or 6 sentence pgph that has mulotiple citations on each sentence. Thus you could edit text and collapse the refs, making the reading/writing easier but also making one less likely to fuck up a ref inadvertently. If that's dreaming in technicolour, just a doodad that makes text in between reference tags show in red so it's easier for, say, a dyslexic editor, to not get lost in such a pgph. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 02:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Visual editor probably. Also Wikia has some weird markup up that color codes stuff between formatting tags.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:36, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
Complicated references in wikitext is an utter shitshow, yes. How well does the Wikipedia visual editor work for this? (Their referencing makes ours look simple.) - David Gerard (talk) 09:33, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

RationalWiki offline version[edit]

I saw a link to the dump of RationalWiki, but I am not technical enough to understand the xml and stuff. Plus, the file is so large, which probably includes pages I don't need (like talk pages?). I wonder if it's possible (if there's anyone willing to) to help provide offline release of the articles like the Wikipedia does here? RationalWiki can make a release every few years and probably put it in the ZIM format so that it can be opened in Kiwix software. Perhaps, if we don't prefer to provide it the Wikipedia way, maybe we can do it this way like the Wikipedia for Schools does? I am dying to see this happen because I won't be using fast internet forever and that there'll be time when I am not connected at all. I like the articles very much and signed up to this wiki just so I can post this here. ElizaVanilla (talk) 01:19, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Basically, if someone who does have the technical knowledge wants to, they're free to do that - David Gerard (talk) 13:40, 5 May 2015 (UTC)
where would I find these dumps if I wanted a look ? thanks Hamster (talk) 03:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
RationalWiki:Content dumps - need to run these again - David Gerard (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
If RationalWiki would offer a Parsoid API (necessary for the VisualEditor for example). I can provide up2dates offline snapshots. Kelson@Kiwix
Emailed with Emmanuel from Kiwix - with the 1.23 upgrade, I'll try adding a Parsoid too and we'll see what we can do to put an offline RationalWiki on Kiwix :-D - David Gerard (talk) 18:05, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
Is anything happening with this? Would love to this to happen! (talk) 09/09/15 15:46 GMT

PDF files bork the formatting of the automatically produced text[edit]

Because they don't have pixels. Anyone techy wanna fix it? (talk) 20:14, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea what you're talking about. Example? - David Gerard (talk) 23:40, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Here ya go. Look beneath the PDF icon where an image is normally displayed. (talk) 23:46, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
Ah, it's trying to use ImageMagick to find the dimensions of a PDF and failing. That's MediaWiki being stupid. I have no plans to fix it, instead preferring to contemplate the 1.23 upgrade (which I did yesterday at work with disconcerting ease ... we'll see how it goes with a complicated and messy public wiki) - David Gerard (talk) 08:55, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

File:Colorful flag.png -> File:Gay flag.svg[edit]

Could someone with more knowledge of the wikimedia software and more privileges replace all uses of File:Colorful flag.png with File:Gay flag.svg, since the latter is the vector variant of the former image?--Arisboch (talk) 09:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I've replaced it on the two userbox templates which accounted for most its use. There are still a bunch of user pages where it appears in ad hoc userboxes, but it's as a small image so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it not being a svg. ŴêâŝêîôîďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:03, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I cant find gadgets[edit]

I havent seen gadgets at all, bar one time when i first became sysop, is something wrong? Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 12:51, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

It intermittently works. Nobody knows why. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 12:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Is there a way to get it to work ,or will i have to wait Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 13:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Because i really want to turn on gadgets. Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Are you a robosexual? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 19:09, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 19:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
#awkward Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:14, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
The actual reason for the intermittent behaviour: it depends which of the two Apache servers you get today. And the reason for that is probably weird cross-site BS, because our setup is abnormal: there's a cronned rsync between the primary and secondary, rather than mounting it via NFS like a sensible MediaWiki setup would be, 'cos Trent couldn't get the sensible setup to behave. Actually I don't know for certain that's the reason, nor the precise mechanism of gadget failure (or I'd fix it), but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't some sort of per-server weirdness. Our server is a pile of gaffer tape, yes it is - David Gerard (talk) 14:43, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Trying ot get WikiEd to work[edit]

Im trying to get WikiEd to work on my work computer, but it isnt working, at least i got smileys to work Banana.gif Bubba41102Anonymous user is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike an editor 19:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Change logo via css[edit]

How do I edit my css file for this wiki, so I see a different site logo?--Arisboch (talk) 15:51, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Reporting an Error[edit]

I drafted an edit on the talk page about Pat Condell including links to support my positions.

When I tried to save the changes to the page, I got this message: "If you believe your edit was constructive, please report this error. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Conspiracy links spam" They were just links to his videos as evidence. Why is this happening?

Hmmm. Can you post them without the http:// on the front? If not, please email me the edit (dgerard@gmail.com) and I'll see if I can make it. We did have a filter on at one stage for a particularly video-spammy IP - it could be that you're not autoconfirmed as yet - David Gerard (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Alright. They're actually all https:// though.




www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbmeQtGMkUU TofuTyphoon (talk) 19:10, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

test edit -
- David Gerard (talk) 11:56, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I can add them, so it'll be that you're super-new. Edit around a bit, wait a few days and you'll get past that filter - David Gerard (talk) 11:57, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Ah, alright. =) TofuTyphoon (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Serving old page revs[edit]

Time was, if I knew a page had been modified, and viewing it did not reflect the recent change, a single refresh (aka F5) would bring up the latest version. Now I can go to a page and see an outdated rev, even after repeated F5's or equivalent mouse clicks. Viewing the most recent diff shows the latest rev, and that seems reliable, for the moment.

Previous explanations have included the word Apache. Any ideas? SmartFeller (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Click "edit", don't edit, then click "save". FuzzyCatPotato™ (talk/stalk) 14:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Workarounds are nice. What would be nicer would be that any random visitor could see the latest state of any page, without having to futz around with RW's obscure little ways. The apache F5 thing has been known for a while, and seems to be intractable enough that it hasn't been fixed yet, not even by the best minds of our generation. Ah well... SmartFeller (talk) 15:00, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. This would normally mean the cache wasn't being invalidated. I think MediaWiki should be Squid-aware, and send a purge request to the Squids when a page was edited ... I'll see if all is in order there - David Gerard (talk) 19:27, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
Oops, squids. That's a better mind than mine. Haven't tried Fuzzy's suggestion yet. Come to think of it, next time I see this thing happen, I want to click the top rev in the fossil record. Plausible as another workaround? idk SmartFeller (talk) 20:36, 5 June 2015 (UTC)
We have a saying at work, "there's always another cache." (We have another one, "it's probably something stupid.") Instead of F5, try control-F5 or indeed explicitly flushing your browser cache. Are you perchance behind a work proxy or similar? - David Gerard (talk) 00:47, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Home router from cable modem, nothing fancy that I'm aware of. It figures, now that I mentioned it, it hasn't shown itself. Then again, I haven't been riding herd on recent changes as much as I might. SmartFeller (talk) 01:14, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Lately Ctrl-F5 has done the trick in the small sample of times I suspected I was seeing a stale page. SmartFeller (talk) 02:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Can't create my userpage[edit]

I'm trying to create my userpage so that I can give it a couple paragraphs of a description, just as a work-in-progress so that I can go back and finish it later. When I try to create it, the edits keep getting blocked as "userpage spam." Is there anything I can do to remedy this? Make the page longer, perhaps? Zennistrad (talk) 02:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Your account is probably too young for the number of links you're posting. Post the links here, without www or http:// and I can add them to your userpage as needed. ʇυzzγɔɒтqoтɒтo (talk/stalk) 03:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Sig stuffs[edit]

But my signature is always substituted rather than transcluded. If you set {{subst:nosubst|User:LlamaPastor31/sig}} then it just shows that text. Help please? LlamaPastor31 There's a lot of tube cloggage. 23:05, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I think the problem is that RationalWiki doesn't have the {{nosubst}} function available. (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Saloon Bar archiving[edit]

The Saloon Bar is currently pretty huge with quite a lot of threads that haven't been touched in a week or two. Pibot should be archiving anything older than 3 days and seems to still be archiving other pages. Zoobot last archived the SB on 4 June. Is neither of them now checking the SB properly? WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:17, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to import WP's "Dubious" template?[edit]

Hi all, I was thinking whether it would be a good idea to import Wikipedia's Template:DubiousWikipedia for use on RW and if there are anyone with the wiki-foo skills necessary to do this? I think the advantage of [dubious] over {{Fact}} is that the former can be linked directly to a talk page section, giving more scope for explanations than just asking for sources. ScepticWombat (talk) 06:09, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

It's a ParserFunctions template not a Lua one, so should work here - David Gerard (talk) 07:26, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
As you've probably guessed, I don't even have an entry level belt in wiki-foo, so all I know is that I can't simply write {{Dubious}} (as you've already seen) to get the stuff I'd get at WP, let alone the |s that allows for stuff like "reason=" or linking to a talk section.
Do I have to preface it with something to make it work on RW or am I messing the syntax up in some way? I've already tried several versions, from the simplest version to various extensions with |s and none seem to yield results à la WP. ScepticWombat (talk) 14:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
The Wikipedia version seems to make use of a bunch of complicated templates. It's probably easier to get the template you want by copying the local {{Fact}} template and changing the text a bit. (talk) 14:47, 20 June 2015 (UTC)
Everyone's favorite talentless hack has made a cheap knockoff; is it kind of as desired? WalkerWalkerWalker 13:55, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

Line breaks in Fun:A day in the life of Barack HUSSEIN Obama[edit]

Could someone give an clue, how to suppress the line breaking in the whole first column with something else then with the use of "&nbsp;"? The formatting is to much to breaking after editing as it is now. --Arisboch (talk) 11:47, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

I specified a width instead. (talk) 12:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Thx (And again, I lack any kind of imagination. Shit)!--Arisboch (talk) 12:06, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

New open proxy block, please alert to problems[edit]

Just added all.s5h.net to the proxy list. If this suddenly gives you access/editing problems, please email me at dgerard@gmail.com - David Gerard (talk) 07:55, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Downtime Fri 03 Jul 2015, ~12:30-13:30 UTC[edit]

apache2 went nuts in some way I can't fathom and hammered the shit outa MySQL on apache1. No idea what's up, but I disabled apache on apache2 on the assumption that flying on one engine beats crashing on two. Investigation underway - David Gerard (talk) 13:38, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

Update: It was this. All is well again. We also have 16GB now and mysqld wasn't using it, so I gave mysqld 8GB and memcached 1GB - David Gerard (talk) 14:06, 3 July 2015 (UTC)


I don't run this and have no transparency on it. Who the hell does? It needs restarting - David Gerard (talk) 14:42, 3 July 2015 (UTC)

MediaWiki update?[edit]

Special:Version still says 1.19.12.--AndYourFoesShallRejoice... (talk) 15:53, 24 July 2015 (UTC)

Unable to reset password[edit]

This is Smerdis of Tlön. I've been changing passwords recently because I think one of my accounts has been hacked. At any rate, earlier today I changed passwords here and was unable to login. I requested a new password, and changed it, and was able to log in for a while. Changing the password does not seem to stick, though, and I have had to request temporary codes by email at least twice.

Is there a way to make sure it takes this time? - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 03:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Pray? Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 04:28, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
I am logged out again, and my newest password verified by the logon procedure still does not work. I can log on for a short time after requesting a new password code, but it never takes. - (talk) 04:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Clearly the server is telling you to get a new account.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
FWIW, this is continuing to happen. I was able to log in earlier with the new password, but this afternoon I had to go through the rigmarole of resetting it once more. I also changed the email address to which the notices should be sent. That, too, did not take. Should I just create a new account or what? - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 19:17, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
This is basically shit that shouldn't happen. Are the RW cookies present? You should see several cookies from rationalwiki.org - what are they? - David Gerard (talk) 19:50, 27 July 2
I have a variety of RW cookies, including rw_UserID, rw_UserName, rw_Token, and rw_Session. Right now, it has kept me logged in, though I'm not sure exactly when I last shut down the browser (Pale Moon). Again, I tried to also update my email address, and it sent one of the new password requests to the new email; today it's back to the old one. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 21:07, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
That's ... bizarre - it's sending to two different email addresses? (That list of cookies looks about right. If you suddenly get logged out again, check for those, and think about what might be clearing them.) - David Gerard (talk) 11:03, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Monobook button issues[edit]

It's happened before, but I don't remember what the solution was or where it was said, but on a number of pages monobook's top row buttons aren't clickable. IIrc, it was fixed by putting something in one of my coding that put a pad layer. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 15:37, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Never mind, found it when I remembered I can still restore my old script pages atleast --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 15:48, 29 July 2015 (UTC)
How do I solve that problem, e.g. I can't use the top buttons, when on the Saloon Bar page.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 22:31, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

Something odd[edit]

Refs used before the {{Nazism}} template don't show up in the reflist at the bottom. See: Golden Dawn. Probably isn't limited to the Nazism template. (talk) 12:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

Mmm 142 is right, been playing with it for ages but can't get it right. The template seems to force an "EndOfPage" or summat. Feel free to play here Scream!! (talk) 13:52, 8 August 2015 (UTC)

User Rights lag[edit]

So I noticed it a bit ago, and it seem to be affecting other people, that when user rights get messed with the change doesn't seem to stick for a bit. Any ideas you wizards?--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 19:03, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Shouldn't be happening, since user rights are in the database, which is all one thing in one place - David Gerard (talk) 20:48, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, but it does happen, e.g. coupla minutes ago with Avengerofthe BoN, whose edits were marked by red exclamation marks despite him, according to the user rights management page, being a member of the group of autopatrolled users.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 17:48, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
hm, that sounds like MediaWiki's multiple layers of caching. "There's always another cache," as we say at work. There's basically nothing to be done about this particular lag. However, when the rights are changed in the database they're changed - David Gerard (talk) 18:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Why in the devil[edit]

Is my IP blocked by the (I think) proxy list blocker?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:00, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

You're evil proxy scum, clearly. What's the block ID? Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 23:21, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
Your IP is probably part of a range used by one of our proxy vandals in the past. BicyclewheelModerator 15:58, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

New Messages[edit]

How does that work?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:06, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

I think it's from when we used Liquid Threads (*spit*) on user talk pages. BicyclewheelModerator 14:34, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia images that are not uploaded at Commons[edit]

Whats the mark-up please to include an image that is hosted at en.wikipedia but not at Commons? Or should I just upload it directly here (RW help says not to do that for both Commons and Wikipedia hosted images)?--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 12:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

There isn't any. (We do it by mw:InstantCommons.) Just upload here. Be aware of licence issues, and that in general one needs a better reason than "I felt like it" for fair use to apply - David Gerard (talk) 13:52, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you David. A Fair Use tagged image at en.wikipedia would be OK here I am assuming?--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 13:59, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Only if you can justify its fair use here. You can't just stick stuff any old where. Is there a specific image you want to use? BicyclewheelModerator 14:32, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
This [2]. I have searched and there is no image available of the subject with a suitable licence. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 14:40, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Ugh, John Tyndall. Ok, a picture of someone counts as fair use in an article about him or (in this case) maybe his party, or possibly to illustrate the confederate flag/british racism connection. But that's it, I think. BicyclewheelModerator 15:17, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you and all understood.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 15:19, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Site SSL?[edit]


When will this site get SSL? I try not to log in via plain text any where. Deku-shrub (talk) 14:53, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

Good point. Anyone with proper deets willing to shed some light on this? Reverend Black Percy (talk) 00:53, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Heard the SSL certificate costs a fuckton of money[citation needed].--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 00:54, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
EC) It's been brought up several times before If Memory Serves - something to do with the server configuration or similar has always been brought up. Don't understand such arcane matters myself. Scream!! (talk) 00:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
A great many times, if the archive does not lie.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 00:56, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Allright. Regardless, thanks for all the hasty replies! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:03, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
David appears not to understand that you can get a cheap $5 SSL cert and has been distracted by the $1200 EV racket. Deku-shrub (talk) 20:34, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Notification emails sent from rationalwiki@gmail.com?[edit]

My spam filter barely let this in! Why not send emails from e.g. noreply@rationalwiki.org and DKIM the rationalwiki.org domain? Far better emailing behavior. Deku-shrub (talk) 18:06, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

hmm, that's a problem ... - David Gerard (talk) 11:58, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Image problem again[edit]

Something is not kosher with the Ch24f2.jpg, it shows that picture, despite the fact, that it was uploaded about 25 minutes ago.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 18:48, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Pictures always take a long time to update on RW. (talk) 19:03, 31 August 42015 AQD (UTC)
this is the general MediaWiki "there's always another layer of caching" problem - David Gerard (talk) 11:59, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Auto-watch pages created?[edit]

I'm assuming this is a core media wiki option somewhere, but it would be more intuitive if pages created would automatically be watched by their creator. Deku-shrub (talk) 22:40, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Click on "preferences!, than on the tab "watchlist" and activate the options "Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist" and "Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist".--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 22:43, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

IP address[edit]

Is there any way for the sysops to check a user's IP address? Just a suspicion on my part. CorruptUser (talk) 01:01, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Nope, you godda be higher on the wiki-privileges-ladder than a mere sysop to do that, AFAIK, at the very least mod, if not tech.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 11:20, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Not even them. We don't and won't have checkuser. You would have to dredge through gigabytes of Squid logs, which means you would have to be Trent or me, and (1) it's a goddamn pain in the arse (2) it's an extremely unpopular idea at RW (3) it would take extreme circumstances for me to even bother (since it's considered a wrong thing to do unless there's a superlative reason it isn't) (4) not a happener. I think I have dredged through the Squid logs to solve technical problems with the assistance of the user I was checking (Nutty trying to edit via iPad IIRC) and I don't even recall if I dredged through them for that open proxy attack (system technical integrity counting as an extreme circumstance) - David Gerard (talk) 12:02, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Transitioning to MediaWiki 1.23 (sticky)[edit]

RW is currently running MediaWiki 1.19, and its end-of-life is May 2015. As it's April now, it's about time to start a transition to 1.23, the next long-term support version. At the very least, installing 23 to rationalbeta to see what breaks would give people time to spot and fix resign to any problems during the next month or so.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:03, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Emailed Trent about this (amongst many things) a few days ago, waiting on response - David Gerard (talk) 23:13, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
Any progress with this? I haven't followed closely the wiki recently, so if there was a "come to Rationalbeta to break it" announcement I haven't seen it.--ZooGuard (talk) 10:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
0 so far. I'll set it up on my private box at some point - David Gerard (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Setting it up as I write this - David Gerard (talk) 21:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
FUCKING INNODB FUCK FUCKING FUCK YOU AAAAAAAAA - David Gerard (talk) 07:20, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
FUCKING FUCKING INNODB. The database is big enough that I cannot fit it on my server ... in 200GB of space. That's a 45GB database as imported into InnoDB. I do not know what the fuck MySQL thinks it's doing there. But I'll need another approach, or possibly another box. Fuck - David Gerard (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
FUCKING BINLOGS WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY ON BY DEFAULT Well, I've got it onto the test server. Stuff is not working right and it's really slow without the Squids in front, but I should have something to start kicking shortly ... - David Gerard (talk) 22:22, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Just preventing this from getting archived.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:01, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Let's see if stickying it works - ZooBot does detect that, doesn't it? :-) - David Gerard (talk) 14:41, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
It would seem so. WalkerWalkerWalker 23:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

Ref oddness and image thumbnails[edit]

So, on both Gamergate (check the first note, in the caption of the lead picture) and Little Green Footballs, it looks like references aren't showing up in the reflist when they're embedded in other Wikimarkup, like templates or image captions. But on Joseph Stalin, there's a reference in the quote template at the top, and it shows up just fine. Is there some difference I'm missing? Also, on a related note, for me the lead image on Gamergate is blank. It's also blank on the File page, but I do see the actual image file if I go to it. I think this means there's a problem with the thumbnail that Mediawiki generates. I think I've seen empty thumbnails on a couple other articles, but I'm lazy and haven't taken note of them. --Ymir (talk) 18:09, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

For the first, wikitext is basically evil and fucked up anyway so I'm unsurprised. For the second, I see this occasionally and it's intermittent - may be a side effect of our slightly weird setup - David Gerard (talk) 21:50, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Little Green Footballs had problems because the {{cquote}} template was before the {{media}} template (which adds the sidebar); I reversed the order and it works now. I have no idea why this happens, but this is the case for all the sidebars (this has bitten me on a few occasions). I don't see a problem with Gamergate? The note after "It's actually about ethics in video game journalism, you fucking slut!" seems to work? Carpetsmoker (talk) 21:59, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Holy crap, how did you figure that one. Well done. Davis Aurini is right now too - David Gerard (talk) 23:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
The sidebar thing was pointed out before, though. Any idea on if that can be fixed? (talk) 23:52, 26 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
No, because wikitext is evil and fucked up, and the sidebars use DPL which is even worse - David Gerard (talk) 00:29, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

I can barely read the spam questions[edit]

Is there a spam check bypass list I can be added to? Better yet, can we please find an anti spam solution that won't stop would be editors from creating new accounts? Aleksandra96 (talk) 17:02, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

I've found that some are ridiculously hard, and others are ridiculously easy. There should be a "load new image" button, so if one is particularly hard, try loading a new one. Carpetsmoker (talk) 17:04, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
I do that until I can find one that's just legible to read and it still takes several cycles and multiple attempts. Aleksandra96 (talk) 17:59, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
FWIW, I've just added you to "autopatrolled" - David Gerard (talk) 23:41, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Edit filter[edit]

I (as a logged-out bonbon pleb, which was my first mistake) have recently been smacked with a 3.6 day block by the edit filter, which was quite assuredly a false positive. I went on and unblocked my IP (after pointless ineffective revenge-blocking of the edit filter, of course), so that's not a worry, but should I email the offending material to somebody to look at or just not worry about it? WalkerWalkerWalker 20:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)


Could someone ninja that damn bot, it's clogging up the RC!--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 21:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Attempts to post on Saloon Bar marked as vandalism?[edit]

Title pretty much describes it. I was attempting to discuss the elections in the Saloon Bar as related to my own home state (Kentucky) electing Matt Bevin and I was getting flagged when I attempted to post for vandalism/trolling. Is it a way or manner in which I'm posting or a site error? I don't think I'm making a formatting mistake, and I've only ever previously posted in the Saloon Bar as well as far as I can remember, so I don't know why I would be marked as a troll. Quirk (talk) 03:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Let me have a look and I'll get back to you. Gooniepunk (talk) 03:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
That filter seems to need a bit of re-formatting. As it stands, I don't have time to do it. I have kept the filter in "frustration" mode, so go ahead and keep posting, but if you get any warnings from it, just ignore them (nothing will happen, your edit will get through). Gooniepunk (talk) 03:47, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Block log appearing in watchlist -- any way to have that not happen?[edit]

Is there any way to set up my watchlist so that blocks (issued by folks whose user talk pages are on the list, I believe...) do not appear on said list? Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 17:50, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Yes. Let me find where I put it. WalkerWalkerWalker 12:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
Ok. Add this to your common.js (or the appropriate one for the skin you want it to apply to):
function hidelog() {
  if (mw.config.get('wgCanonicalSpecialPageName') === 'Watchlist') {
    var x = document.getElementsByTagName("li");
    var z = new Array();
    for (var j = 0; j< x.length; j++) {
      var y = x[j].getElementsByTagName("a");
      for (var k = 0; k< y.length; k++) {
        if (y[k].getAttribute("title") == "Special:Log/block") {
          z[j] = 1
    for (var i = 0; i< x.length; i++) {
      if (z[i] == 1) {
        x[i].id = "kill";
Add this to your common.css (or the css for the skin you want this to apply to):
#kill { display: none; }
And... that should be it. Don't look too closely at it; don't feed it after midnight, etc. etc. Also, expect it to break once we go to a different MW version. WalkerWalkerWalker 12:15, 27 November 2015 (UTC)