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Manual archiving[edit]

I tried to manually archive the last Coop case (RationalWiki:Chicken_coop/Archive70) but has not appeared in the archive list yet (RationalWiki:Chicken_coop/Archive_list). Is this just a delay or did I do something wrong? Bongolian (talk) 19:38, 3 August 2018 (UTC) @Kazitor? Bongolian (talk) 21:45, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

@Bongolian Archive70 is there, it has been more than four hours after all. Next time try purging the list if it doesn't appear immediately. Now the next matter is that of why pinging is so flaky... —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 00:00, 4 August 2018 (UTC)
OK, thanks, @Kazitor! Bongolian (talk) 00:06, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Adjust spam filter[edit]

I noticed that a lot of spammers are using monospaced characters such as "e". Should the filter look for these characters in a person's first edit that's on their userpage?

@CheeseburgerFace Probably not too hard, but that filter is a bit of a mess. I'd appreciate some examples too, if you don't mind :) —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 00:30, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
@CheeseburgerFace, @Kazitor Here's an example of a deleted page that had monospaced type: [1]. Bongolian (talk) 00:37, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
So it's only random single characters. Hmm. I suppose there could be a blacklist on just every single one from a to z. And if it only targets user bios it shouldn't be too bad. I'll try going with just "e" for now since I saw that in two examples. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 00:48, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
@CheeseburgerFace and Bongolian so was that enough, or should I add some more letters? —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 10:37, 7 August 2018 (UTC)
@Kazitor I don't know. I only spotted a couple before the filter went into place. A separate issue is last night there were a rash of spam pages put up that all had US toll-free phone numbers in the titles (888-XXX-XXXX). Bongolian (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

More spam[edit]

Can somebody block all mention of "lortab"? --Gospatric (talk) 10:11, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Now getting vicodin spam. --Gospatric (talk) 10:15, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Done and done. @GospatricKazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 10:32, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

SEVERE problem with spam filter[edit]

For some reason, I am being blocked from making an edit on the article for Reddit where I discuss problems with the way some users on r/askhistorians handle issues relating to sexual assault and Christianity. What the balks is going on? Reddit skeptic (talk) 05:13, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

@Reddit skeptic I wish I could tell you. The spam filter was not written by me, and seems to trigger a lot of false positives. Thus I have added you to the "autopatrolled" group so it doesn't bug you. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 05:45, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@Kazitor See this log for why: the text mentions "homework help", which is in the spamtextnoccnorm section. [also, you added it: "19Apr18-Kaz: homework help" ;)]
if possible, the edit filter should ONLY filter text ADDED rather than the PARAGRAPH in which text was added --> this is the #1 cause of false positives Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 13:16, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
this might solve it Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 13:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
seems to have fixed it FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 13:45, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
@FuzzyCatPotato huge thanks for that then :) And now that you point it out, I can see the "homework help" part; wasn't paying attention to the previous text despite being aware it affected things. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 05:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
Resolved

Gadget and Gadget definition[edit]

Presumably these namespaces exist for gadgets, but those are all stored under MediaWiki:Gadget-*. Gadget, Gadget talk, Gadget definition and Gadget definition talk all have a grand total of 0 pages. Is there a way to move the relevant pages to those namespaces without breaking them? —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 07:30, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Your setup is correctly defined for the original gadget specification. The Gadget namespace is part of Gadgets 2.0, which is a redesign of sorts to make gadget maintenance easier. The main differences are that 2.0 uses these new namespaces and also uses Special:Gadgets as the main interface instead of MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition. Now I don't actually know if you have the code for this 2.0 implementation installed on this wiki, but since Special:Gadgets exists, maybe? However the manual just says: "To migrate your existing gadgets, run the update.php script. This will move your existing gadget JS and CSS pages into the Gadget namespace and will create new gadget definitions in the Gadget_definition namespace." Which doesn't indicate to me that they are supposed to be moved manually... ^_^ This message is approved by Dysklyver Gears.png Ensign of the Duke of Cornwall.svg (brebmyn) 09:33, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Chinese language spam[edit]

So the FirstnameLastname random fake accounts have adapted to the spam filter by spamming chinese language userpages. None of that overlaps are currently English-focused anti-spam filters. So now they're just one CAPTCHA away from needing manual work to clean up. Should I look at creating a new filter rule? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:52, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

But aren't they also adapting through other ways? It's not just the Chinese language spam, it's other kinds of spam. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 21:17, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
This is why I asked. What else are they doing? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 22:00, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
This isn't unicodepedia. Simply block all the indic and oriental scripts for new users. And maybe phone numbers. That should cover it. ^_^ This message is approved by Dysklyver Gears.png Ensign of the Duke of Cornwall.svg (brebmyn) 01:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
Harder to achieve with the available toolset than you might think. To my knowledge we have no way to ID which code region a character in a change comes from. Also you'd ban my poor bleat at me goat with such wide targets. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 05:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
We should seriously look into a different/better CAPTCHA rather than implementing every spam rule that comes to mind. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 05:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
No captcha is fullproof. In fact, mechnical-turk resolution of captchas is a real thing that goes on. Ugh, imagine being paid $1 and hour to just constantly answer captchas. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a saying - nothing can be made foolproof, as fools are so ingenious. (This is also why the basilisk and the singularity will never succeed). Anna Livia (talk) 16:05, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Blocking reason suggestion[edit]

Can something - perhaps an equivalent of this from here for those entries which need 'splatting' but which are not spam/harassment etc. Anna Livia (talk) 16:29, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

'General annoying/being maliciously offensive' - and also, perhaps, 'not operating in the spirit of RW and wikis in general.' Anna Livia (talk) 09:49, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
Resolved: @Anna Livia, enjoy your new block reason. —ClickerClock💾 talk.txt 02:22, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Just deleted another IP-nonsense. Anna Livia (talk) 08:37, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Pinging[edit]

I was meaning to bring this up a while ago but forgot, and I was reminded yesterday during a discussion at the Bar. For some reason when users 'ping' me I almost never get a notification for it. Any idea what could be causing this? and has anyone else been experiencing this? Cheers --RWRW (talk) 12:36, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Likewise. Anna Livia (talk) 23:05, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
See the Wikipedia article on Help:Fixing failed pings. —ClickerClock💾 talk.txt 02:15, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
Resolved: @RWRW not rw-tech specific issue 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 15:05, 18 November 2018 (UTC)