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Herein goeth anything regarding the technicalities of the wiki

  • Problems with accessing/editing the wiki
  • Problems with MediaWiki/HTML/CSS/Javascript/etc.
  • Questions about RW's configuration/extensions/servers/etc.
  • In short, anything tech-y goes here

External links:

Semi-frequent updates about RW's technical status are available at RationalWiki's blogspot.
To view or suggest changes to configuration files and MediaWiki extensions, see RationalWiki's GitHub.

Users:

Users with Tech rights: see Special:ListUsers/tech
Users with root on the servers: David Gerard (dgerard@gmail.com) and Tmtoulouse

If your IP is blocked from editing as an open proxy: You need to go to your provider about it. The lists we use are xbl.spamhaus.org, dnsbl.tornevall.org, all.s5h.net. If your IP is on one of these lists, then your provider has a serious problem they need to resolve. We cannot get your ISP out of the blacklist.

Subsection link (sticky)[edit]

What extension does Wikipedia use to get the subsection links next to each subsection title? Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 13:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

What r u talking about? ClickerClock (talk) 04:45, 10 September 2017 (UTC)
I think Fuzzy means the "§" link that appears next to the headings, that links to the anchor for that heading. (once again, memorising the ASCII code for section signs comes in handy!) —Kazitor, pending 08:28, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

@FuzzyCatPotato, yall happy now?

See the main article on this topic: Goat § What to do with a Goat and a stool

Encyclopedia § EtymologyWikipedia's W.svg See the Wikipedia article on Encyclopedia § Ancient times. —ClickerClock (talk) 05:24, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Not what I meant... I mean, that's really good :) But I recall there once being a § link next to the actual sections on a page. I'm not sure where it went. —Kazitor, pending 05:35, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean. —ClickerClock (talk) 05:44, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
Like, on the page there is a heading that says "Subsection link (sticky)". Next to it, either before or after the "edit" link, there was a single, grey "§" link that appended the appropriate anchor to the URL, e.g. §. —Kazitor, pending 06:13, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Subsections playing up (sticky)[edit]

===Goat===.jpeg

I've seen this a few times, it was this revision and the wikitext seems normal. Christopher (talk) 09:33, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

The error occurs when a subsection is immediately before the end of a page. I'd bet that this is a result of the MediaWiki upgrade, but I've really no idea. Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 17:06, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
And as these edits should make clear, this only occurs on certain pages. It could also be a template -- maybe something didn't close a div or a span and it's fucking with the subsections. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 17:07, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
This is not a result of the recent upgrade. This has been an issue for years.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 (talkstalk) 17:09, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Meta tags for description and image[edit]

Any chance you could add description and image metatags to RationalWiki? Currently google search results or link expansions in apps like Discord look bad, very conservatively. A rational stance would be to maximize the exposure and nice-of-use for other people thus adding metatags. My humble suggestion would be for the image take the first image in the article (if any) for description take the first paragraph, ignoring the quote if it's there as the first paragraph. If it's at all possible, now I feel bad whenever I try to spam my friends with links to Rational Wiki because they look so dull. NoJohYouAreTheDemons (talk) 09:20, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

We have a couple of options. We can go the Semantic Mediawiki route with: mw:Extension:Semantic Meta Tags, and Summary Cards or just leg it with mw:Extension:WikiSEO. @FuzzyCatPotatoClickerClock (talk) 11:14, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
@ClickerClock As part of trying to get an active techbase: Please suggest edits to the RationalWiki github accordingly. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 05:22, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Email is broken[edit]

It's not emailing copies of emails I sent to other users. ClickerClock (talk) 06:10, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Never mind, its just in the spam folder but...
From: Mail Delivery System <MAILER-DAEMON@rationalwiki.org>
Subject:Undeliverable: RationalWiki email from user "ClickerClock"
To: retracted email

This is the mail system at host apache3.rationalwiki.org.
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below.
For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster.
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can
delete your own text from the attached returned message.

                   The mail system
retracted email: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:400d:c0b::1a]
    said: 550-5.7.1 [2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe7a:f3c3] Our system has detected
    that this 550-5.7.1 message does not meet IPv6 sending guidelines regarding
    PTR records 550-5.7.1 and authentication. Please review 550-5.7.1
    https://support.google.com/mail/?p=IPv6AuthError for more information 550
    5.7.1 . q50si2670357qtf.477 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)}}

^ the error message.

ClickerClock (talk) 09:45, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

@David Gerard: The email is actually on fire, judging by this. Tech help pls! The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 05:23, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
just seen this (I didn't ahahaha get an emailed ping), will look this evening - David Gerard (talk) 12:06, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
@David Gerard Bump. FuzzyCatPotato of the Rude Contrabands (talk/stalk) 01:32, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

ok, it wants SPF, DKIM and/or DMARC. Currently trying SPF, that's pretty easy to set up ... DKIM requires signing every message, I'm not setting that up. DMARC, maybe. The actual problem is GMail is increasingly fussy - David Gerard (talk) 20:47, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

we had an spf record, it didn't include that IPv6 address. I've added that, should take effect in an hour or so - David Gerard (talk) 20:52, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
actually, even better: I just told Postfix to use IPv4 only. How's the email now? Please send me a test email - David Gerard (talk) 19:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Another inter-language link problem[edit]

The inter-language link that looks like this "[[ru:Заглавная страница]]" does not work. It appears that Trent was working on this problem in 2012, but nothing happened.[1] It would be useful on the Category:Babel page at least since Russian is missing on this page despite being the number two language on RW. Bongolian (talk) 03:16, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bongolian It works now. Заглавная страница [[:ru:Заглавная страница|]]. Just add a : before ru:. —ClickerClock (talk) 22:04, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Ping is broken again[edit]

Two pings (both tech support) have not been received. Christopher (talk) 15:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

It seems that all pings in non talk namespaces aren't being received, I definitely didn't get a ping from Fuzzy in the saloon. Christopher (talk) 22:12, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
Actually all pings full stop. Christopher (talk) 21:02, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

Can access a certain article only when NOT logged in[edit]

This is very weird: I can read the article Falsifiability only when NOT logged in. Otherwise I get an error message:

[df5938aef588855d4baf5c48] 2017-11-02 14:18:20: Fatal exception of type MWException

Also there is the redirect page Science stopper which leads me to Falsifiability if not logged in. But if I log in and again try to access Science stopper I get the following error:

MediaWiki internal error.
Exception caught inside exception handler.
Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information.

I have reproduced this with 52.4.0 ESR (32-bit), Opera 46 and Internet Explorer 11 on Windows 7 64bit (Internet Explorer just gives "Error 500: Internal Server Error" on both pages).

Is there something odd with my account, this page, or both? --Mad physicist (talk) 14:31, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

Go here Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering-math and under "Math" change it to "PNG images" than save. —ClickerClock (talk) 08:26, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, that fixed it. I had the "MathML with SVG or PNG fallback (recommended for modern browsers and accessibility tools)" option active. I don't remember if I had chosen that setting on purpose or if it was already set. --Mad physicist (talk) 13:22, 3 November 2017 (UTC)

Orphan templates[edit]

Ideally, every template should be listed on this page: Help:Template list, but alas I know that many are not because I sometimes find them by chance (e.g., {{efn}}, which I added to the page a while ago, and {{lived}}, which I just saw). I don't know an easy way to find out what is missing. 1) Is there a way to find this out? 2) Can we fix this? 3) Can we encourage template authors to add their new templates to this page? Bongolian (talk) 22:54, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Not sure, but I did find this. —Kazitor, pending 04:15, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
That's a different issue: templates that people made but no one uses. The issue I'm referring to is templates that are actually used but are basically undocumented. No one knows about these unless they run across one while editing. Bongolian (talk) 04:26, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, I know, but that's a list that could bear clearing. —Kazitor, pending 09:20, 15 November 2017 (UTC)
If it has to be done manually, it's a lot of work for not much benefit. Bongolian (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Pages by popularity no longer exists[edit]

The page "RationalWiki:Pages by popularity" only has dead links because the site that is linked to no longer is alive (http://rwdocs.org). Also, the popularity of our pages was last updated in 2015. Bongolian (talk) 18:00, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

Similarly, http://rationalmedia.org/ shouldn't link to evowiki, and rationalblogs.org doesn't exist either. The by-laws page refers to the foundation as the RationalWiki Foundation, and there also haven't been any new announcements since 2014. In fact, pretty much nothing has been updated since then. —Kazitor, pending 23:05, 17. November 2017 (UTC)
Years ago, I brought up just hosting all RMF stuff directly on RationalWiki, so important shit would actually be seen, updated, and foster better relations with the community. That never happened, and here we still are, maintaining a separate, dedicated website that nobody looks at or updates. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:31, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
What's the concern? There's no such legal entity as RationalMedia Foundation, Inc., so, while these bumbling morons conduct illegal fundraising under a false name, at least a wiki page nobody but you rest is correct. — Unsigned, by: 2600:387:8:8::17 / talk / contribs 2017-11-18T00:10:42
wot Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 08:13, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Legal trolls: the highest race of troll. The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 18:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

@Stabby the Misanthrope I also pushed for hosting on RationalWiki.org proper. I think the opposition was mostly for legal-optic reasons: having a separate website might make the RMF appear more independent. I don't really agree, but. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 18:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

The favicon[edit]

I recall a vote/poll/collection of opinions and discussion over a new favicon. As far as I know, the outcome was to change it and a good alternative was suggested. What happened to all that? —Kazitor, pending 08:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

I missed that. What r you talking bout? —ClickerClock (talk) 09:50, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive277#Proposal: New favicon. Looking at that discussion, are we still waiting on David Gerard? @FuzzyCatPotatoKazitor, pending 09:54, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
Yep. Pull request sitting there since August. —ClickerClock (talk) 10:07, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
emailed dg FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 18:24, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
buhh - David Gerard (talk) 19:05, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
This takes me back. —Goat-Emperor Bigs (Words of Wisdom/Achievements) 00:03, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

Orphaned pages[edit]

The Special:LonelyPages page has a lot of fork pages listed. Can these be automatically excluded since the fork pages explicitly say to avoid linking to them? Bongolian (talk) 08:25, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

I think I brought this up at the saloon on one of my first days here, the answer appeared to be no. Christopher (talk) 10:11, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
In theory, we could potentially have a single page whose sole purpose is to link to every fork. It wouldn't be automatic (unless some bot could look for transclusions of the relevant template) and would certainly be a hack, but it could work. —Kazitor, pending 10:19, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
That would work, I did the same with all the category redirects once. I'll make a page in my userspace when I have the time. Christopher (talk) 21:55, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Weird indentation[edit]

Uneven indentation.jpeg Uneven indentation wikitext.jpeg These two lines of text have the same number of colons but are indented differently, something to do with one starting with a link? permalink. Christopher (talk) 17:42, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

The indentation looks the same on my browser (Firefox). Bongolian (talk) 22:39, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
Same here, looks fine for me. Looks correct with IE too, which I only ever use to test things out of Firefox. —Kazitor, pending 04:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Dynamic poll counter broken[edit]

This discussion was moved here from RationalWiki talk:Best of the clogosphere.

The dynamic poll counter seems to be broken, not sure how to fix it. Can anyone help? Philam (talk) 10:22, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

They tend to get broken a fair bit, it would seem. —Kazitor, pending 10:49, 23 November 2017 (UTC)