User talk:UncleHo
Hello to you, Ho. Acei9 21:16, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
LX[edit]
YOU EITHER DIE A HERO OR YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH TO SEE YOURSELF LIVE TO BECOME THE VILLAIN. I'M LIKE MALCOLM X.
LX has been editing every article which has even the slightest left wing slant, and I will stop him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9c8w8ONAWM
I can do these things, because I'm not a hero. I'm whatever RW needs me to be. Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need. LX will hunt me, he will condemn me. Because that's what needs to happen. Sometimes truth isn't good enough. Sometimes people deserve more.
I will watch LX, and I will revert his edits. Why are they watching me? Because RW has a right wing bias that would make Andy blush. But I'm not a hero, I'm not the one it needs right now. I didn't do anything wrong, but I can take it. I'm not a Randroid asshole. I'm a silent protector. A dark knight.UncleHo (talk) 11:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Edit war[edit]
You are invited to defend your edits to the Asatru page on that article's talk-page. Until you have done so you are not to make any more edits to that article. ListenerXTalkerX 19:02, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- So you can just ignore the talk page, revert any edits I would make and strut around thanking Wotan (Not the David Duke Wotan though, right?) for your great victory over the mean internet men?UncleHo (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Your userpage[edit]
I like that saying on your userpage. The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 23:03, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
- Uncle Ho had a lot of good sayings, really. If you can get ahold of one of his books, I'd recommend reading it, regardless of what you think of the man. — Unsigned, by: UncleHo / talk / contribs
- "Remember that the storm is a good opportunity for the pine and the cypress to show their strength and their stability." Hmmm, the wind storm of a couple weeks ago seemed to selectively show that (white) pines explicitly lack those qualities. ħuman 03:24, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Sysoppery poppery noppery[edit]
Congrats! You have achieved the requirements to meet our incredibly low critera for the position of sysop. Here's your mop and bucket, required for the position. The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 20:27, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Article protection[edit]
Please do not protect articles, as it is against the rules here. Really, the only time we protect a page is if it is the target of spammers, and then we only do it for a short period of time. Thank you for your cooperation. The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 18:18, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
Just plain being nasty to LX[edit]
"I don't see why I, as a socialist, would owe an "ultra capitalist" who is so lazy anything but a bullet to the head." [1]
Unless you are a sockpuppet of LX having fun, consider yourself "warned". Please stop being such a nasty idiot. ħuman 04:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, stop being an prick to our people. When you have 1/10 as many productive edits as LX has, we might be somewhat interested in your opinion. Until then, why don't you enjoy a nice, hot cup of shut the fuck up. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 20:35, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
I'd just like to thank you for taking LX to task. You're doing a great job and with superb snark. Please keep it up. — Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block 21:16, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah it's great. Not only do I get to rip on LX, but I get to annoy people who take the internet seriously. A masterstroke.UncleHo (talk) 22:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- So because it's the internet and they haven't invented Punch to the face over TCP/IP yet, it's ok? -- Nx / talk 22:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, and it's made funny by the fact that everyone rushes to defend the poor guy like he's some sort of special child being picked on by the mean internet bullies. I don't know why he can't speak for himself, he has more than enough time to speak on everything else.UncleHo (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- "everyone rushes to defend the poor guy like he's some sort of special child being picked on by the mean internet bullies." Hey, he's family. We stick up for our own. You, on the other hand, are just some loser with poor grammar who makes lame edits, has no ability to be creative or funny, and is generally tolerated like a retarded cousin or someone's bitchy girlfriend at some family function. The fact that you made me, of all people, want to come to Listener's, of all people's defence, should tell you exactly what kind of a-hole you are. Stop ruining our wiki. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:17, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, and it's made funny by the fact that everyone rushes to defend the poor guy like he's some sort of special child being picked on by the mean internet bullies. I don't know why he can't speak for himself, he has more than enough time to speak on everything else.UncleHo (talk) 22:12, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- So because it's the internet and they haven't invented Punch to the face over TCP/IP yet, it's ok? -- Nx / talk 22:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
British spelling, moron. It is the WORLD WIDE web, you know. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:22, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
So now you're going to edit war everything I do because I've e-enraged you? Nice.[edit]
No. Now I'm going to revert your lame-ass edits because they are lame ass, as I and others have done in the past. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Explain how editing out LX's anti-"red" garbage is lame? I replaced his biased statement with a factual one. I'm sorry you're so easily angered.UncleHo (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Because it's fun and funny and adds a little character and critique to the article, which is kind of what we're all about. You ARE aware that this isn't, strictly speaking, an encyclopedia, and that we're not NPOV, right? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 22:41, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
shut the fuck up already[edit]
i am a socialist too but i don't bitch like a little girl because listenex make a biased article............
this is rationalwiki we are here to love each other and yes INTERNET IS SERIOUS BUSINESS! :-)
who control internet control information.Waronstupidity (talk) 22:53, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- J'ai toujours pensé que les Québécois ont appris d'abord anglais, mais je suppose que je me trompe, en regardant votre page utilisateur.UncleHo (talk) 22:56, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
va te faire foutre.
tu jou les tough guy sur internet deriere ton criss d'ecran d'ordi mais si tu serais devant moi je te metrais bien mon poing sur la geule!Waronstupidity (talk) 23:04, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Vous êtes un homme très en colère. Vous devriez vraiment avoir cette extrait.UncleHo (talk) 23:06, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
tes mieux de cacher ton IP mon tit criss.
car tu pourais avoir une surprise demain matin :-)Waronstupidity (talk) 23:10, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- Hack de la planète, Zero Cool. Hack de la planète. Note: For those of you who don't know French, this guy just said I should have hidden my IP, and I will have a "surprise" tomorrow. Serious business.UncleHo (talk) 23:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- tes une tapette, qui se cache deriere son ecrand d'ordi. Waronstupidity (talk) 23:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- first i said HIDE YOUR IP not you should have hidden it. watch your word, your trying to undermine my word.Waronstupidity (talk) 23:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- tes une tapette, qui se cache deriere son ecrand d'ordi. Waronstupidity (talk) 23:20, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Vous êtes celui qui fait rage au sujet de textes Internet, gamin. En outre, masquer votre IP et "donc nécessaire de masquer votre adresse IP" signifient la même chose, boyo.UncleHo (talk) 23:23, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- arete ton atitude d'aristocrate, tu insulte mes compatriote and moi meme et tu pense ten sortir indem ? tapette va.......Waronstupidity (talk) 23:33, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Internet. Serious Business.UncleHo (talk) 23:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- tu me cherche en criss...... fais atention car tu pourais me trouver.Waronstupidity (talk) 23:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
Remotion locomotion[edit]
Seeing as how I think we've all had enough of your edit-warring everyone here with whom you disagree, I have remoted you back to "editor" status for the time being. You are more than welcome to appeal this to any other 'crat here and/or admin abuse if you feel this was wrong and/or unfair. The Goonie 1 What's this button do? Uh oh.... 23:38, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
good riddanceWaronstupidity (talk) 23:44, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
- oh no i am so pissed that you revoked my internet wiki status. not-borat, the borat movie, 2006.UncleHo (talk) 02:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Lol, I gotta say though, you have one hell of an awesome sense of humor! Conservative Punk (talk) 03:21, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- life is too short to take anything seriously.UncleHo (talk) 03:35, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- you do have a point, life is too short for my taste :-( Waronstupidity (talk) 05:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
When did Hitler win the Nobel Peace Prize?[edit]
Huh? TheoryOfPractice (talk) 03:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- he was only nominated for it. my bad. i am way too fucked up to think properly now.UncleHo (talk) 03:56, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- [2] Willem de Zwijger (talk) 04:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
- Everybody knows that he was nominated and the nomination was withdrawn...Pretty big difference between that and "winning." As for you saying stupid things while drunk, "in vino veritas." TheoryOfPractice (talk) 04:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
A big ol' slap on the back[edit]
Good edits as of late. Thank you. Punky Your mental puke relief 07:22, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
w[edit]
I like UncleHo. Mei (talk) 23:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
- Well, I'm off the vicodin now, so I'm thinking a lot more clearly. Still not off the booze, though. Delicious, glorious booze.UncleHo (talk) 02:47, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
- Honestly, I'm not a huge fan of scotch. It's good, but you don't get a lot for your money. Maybe I've just not had the really good stuff, we don't have much selection here in South Dakota. I remember Laphroig being pretty good, but I was also already drunk when I drank that. Now, Sailor Jerry's rum, Evan Williams bourbon or Sobieski vodka, on the other hand, that is what I'm all about. As good as the big guys, for half the price.UncleHo (talk) 03:32, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Are you abusing drugs again?[edit]
Why did you remove all this material from the Direct Action article? Also, the Astaru insertion looks more like you taking the chance to take a swipe at LX in his absence instead of trying to be productive. That's an asshole move, and really not cool... P-Foster (talk) 20:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- Well, assuming the article was basically HURF LEFTISTS AND CHRISTIANS SUCK PRAISE ODIN, I thought a little barb would be appropriate. I thought it would reduce clutter if I merged all the eco groups into one, and make the article less a condemnation of environmentalists. Also, Combat 18 is a serious racist group which has been found to have commited many murders and acts of violence to further their bigoted and hateful ideaology. They are also Germanic Neo-Pagans. We have huge articles on fundamentalist Christians and yet when someone dares mention that there are violent fundamentalists in LXs religion, it's wrong. I really don't know why you expend so much effort defending a grown man from imagined internet slights on his silly gods.UncleHo (talk) 21:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- I'll start at the end of your assertions and move back through them: 1. Because picking on him with lame edits IN HIS ABSENCE is bully-like and lame. 2. You know what, I just don't give a shit about the rest of what you have to say. Just stop being an ass, and keep your petty little disputes with other editors out of the mainspace, mmkay? P-Foster (talk) 21:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
marihuana[edit]
Quit with your crappy lecturing edit and warring over it. It makes no sense. Bitch about it on the talk page? ħuman 07:34, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- u nog nooit in Nederland gewoond, hebt u? de Nederlandse haat je pot roken, luide kont vervelend onkruid toeristen.UncleHo (talk) 07:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Nig sog, que vespa? ħuman 07:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Offenbar Sie nur eine Sprache, wie es häufig bei Anglo Unterdrücker.UncleHo (talk) 07:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Offenbachien tres que, "leosse raison", perfleft un Albarnache, in situ der phrasendelfguede? ħuman 07:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Никто не говорит на самом деле галицийский, поэтому я предполагаю, что вы только что узнали, как использовать Google Translate. Позор! Если бы вы могли узнать, как этот скромный пролетарий!!UncleHo (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- XLII. ħuman 07:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Kiddo, I was speaking 6 languages before Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin ‘Awaḍ bin Lādin knocked down the towers, and I learned 2 more after I was finally released from Uncle Sam's indentured servitude. It took a massive shrapnel would to my back to get me out, but it was SO worth it!UncleHo (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Quil commer symmyl leiben brachten, veni quaso verdanis quo verandum? ħuman 08:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Now, that's one I can't translate. Is it Latin? We generally don't learn dead languages in my field, not much use to intercepting useful intelligence.UncleHo (talk) 08:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Cheddwydd llanggollyweth y dafiddodswyth yr cambroll-y-ddwyn. ħuman 08:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- I assume that's welsh. Do you know any real languages, or only dead novelties?209.159.249.72 (talk) 09:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Cheddwydd llanggollyweth y dafiddodswyth yr cambroll-y-ddwyn. ħuman 08:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Now, that's one I can't translate. Is it Latin? We generally don't learn dead languages in my field, not much use to intercepting useful intelligence.UncleHo (talk) 08:07, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Quil commer symmyl leiben brachten, veni quaso verdanis quo verandum? ħuman 08:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Kiddo, I was speaking 6 languages before Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin ‘Awaḍ bin Lādin knocked down the towers, and I learned 2 more after I was finally released from Uncle Sam's indentured servitude. It took a massive shrapnel would to my back to get me out, but it was SO worth it!UncleHo (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- XLII. ħuman 07:59, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Никто не говорит на самом деле галицийский, поэтому я предполагаю, что вы только что узнали, как использовать Google Translate. Позор! Если бы вы могли узнать, как этот скромный пролетарий!!UncleHo (talk) 07:52, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Offenbachien tres que, "leosse raison", perfleft un Albarnache, in situ der phrasendelfguede? ħuman 07:46, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Offenbar Sie nur eine Sprache, wie es häufig bei Anglo Unterdrücker.UncleHo (talk) 07:43, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
- Nig sog, que vespa? ħuman 07:39, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
Can we at least do this via talk page instead of edit war?[edit]
See relevant talk page. P-Foster (talk) 07:12, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
- Edit war? Where? I can haz onions about editz! ħuman 07:35, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
"This place is full of right-wing bias..."[edit]
Actually, it's full of lots of different biases, depending on where you look. RW is, in some ways, a collection of like-minded people to be sure, but it's no hive mind. Lots of different users have lots of different opinions on things, and the articles often reflect that fact--which to me, even as a committed leftist, is a good thing. It's not "socialismwiki" or "leftywiki," and it's certainly not your personal forum for spouting off your own political views. Try to keep in mind that smart people can hold opinions that differ from yours, and because of that, edit comments that come across as self-superior and dismissive won't make you a lot of friends here.
Besides which, if you're so fucking concerned about social justice and the revolution, writing RW articles won't help those things at all. Editing a vanity project like this is pretty bloody bourgeois. P-Foster (talk) 08:26, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Shame that it upsets a "committed leftist" so much to see right wing bias eliminated. Back in my day, when we saw fascists, we beat them with baseball bats until the Socialized healthcare system put them into the ICU.
You kids are too soft.UncleHo (talk) 08:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Oh my god... it's full of stars! ħuman 08:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- 1. You know nothing about me, much less my age, so try not to be so presumptuous. 2. Don't be all "I'm more left than you." It's boring and trite and see number 1 above--you have no idea about me or my politics or political activity. 3. Did you just say there's fascist material on this website? Godwin's Law; I win. 4. It's a community of differently minded people--try to respect that, or better yet, pick a better and more important battle to fight. Yes, I'm a "committed leftist." I'm also a decent human being--or at least, I try my best to be one. So when friends or other folks have political opinions that diverge from mine, I try my damn best to refrain from being some shrieky, preachy, sanctimonious lefty asshole--'cause those people are annoying and do little to change anyone's mind, and worse than that, they're boring. /there's a community here, and I dropped the original note on this page to ask you to keep that in mind and to try to be respectful and have fun; at the end of the day, that's what this place should be about, and if you can't be fun, maybe you should find another little corner of the internet to dick around on. At the end of the day, when they're scoring up who did waht in the Revolution, "removing right-wing bias from RW articles" ain't gonna count for much. P-Foster (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- "1. You know nothing about me, much less my age, so try not to be so presumptuous."
- Ha ha ha! Just an hour earlier, P-Foster himself called me a kid [3] . Research psychologist (talk) 09:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- P-Foster is actually a fairly mellow dude. ħuman 09:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Something tells me his definition of Leftism is 2 steps away from Mussolini, though.UncleHo (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the sound on my goose-stepping around the apartment while singing the Horst Wessel Song. P-Foster (talk) 19:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Do you even realize how much you sound like Andy? Cleaning out right-wing bias instead of WP's left-wing bias? Putting people who don't agree with you 100% squarely in the opposite camp? Inserting unsourced conspiracy theories into articles in order to deny that your ideology could have any potential weakness? Any of that sound familiar? Röstigraben (talk) 19:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- The difference is Andy is a whimpering little fascist punk who wants some sort of bizzaro Corporate Theocracy. I, on the other hand, am a revolutionary Socialist who thinks eggs must be broken and people must be offended (At the very least). The truth has a left wing bias, kid, deal with it. Also, it's funny how you dismiss things you do not agree with (Even though they're true) as "conspiracy theories." A useful defense mechanism.UncleHo (talk) 19:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- And just like Andy, you simply know what constitutes "truth" and don't have to bother about supporting your statements with facts. Röstigraben (talk) 20:09, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- The difference is Andy is a whimpering little fascist punk who wants some sort of bizzaro Corporate Theocracy. I, on the other hand, am a revolutionary Socialist who thinks eggs must be broken and people must be offended (At the very least). The truth has a left wing bias, kid, deal with it. Also, it's funny how you dismiss things you do not agree with (Even though they're true) as "conspiracy theories." A useful defense mechanism.UncleHo (talk) 19:53, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Do you even realize how much you sound like Andy? Cleaning out right-wing bias instead of WP's left-wing bias? Putting people who don't agree with you 100% squarely in the opposite camp? Inserting unsourced conspiracy theories into articles in order to deny that your ideology could have any potential weakness? Any of that sound familiar? Röstigraben (talk) 19:47, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, could you repeat that? I couldn't hear you over the sound on my goose-stepping around the apartment while singing the Horst Wessel Song. P-Foster (talk) 19:25, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Something tells me his definition of Leftism is 2 steps away from Mussolini, though.UncleHo (talk) 19:21, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- P-Foster is actually a fairly mellow dude. ħuman 09:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- 1. You know nothing about me, much less my age, so try not to be so presumptuous. 2. Don't be all "I'm more left than you." It's boring and trite and see number 1 above--you have no idea about me or my politics or political activity. 3. Did you just say there's fascist material on this website? Godwin's Law; I win. 4. It's a community of differently minded people--try to respect that, or better yet, pick a better and more important battle to fight. Yes, I'm a "committed leftist." I'm also a decent human being--or at least, I try my best to be one. So when friends or other folks have political opinions that diverge from mine, I try my damn best to refrain from being some shrieky, preachy, sanctimonious lefty asshole--'cause those people are annoying and do little to change anyone's mind, and worse than that, they're boring. /there's a community here, and I dropped the original note on this page to ask you to keep that in mind and to try to be respectful and have fun; at the end of the day, that's what this place should be about, and if you can't be fun, maybe you should find another little corner of the internet to dick around on. At the end of the day, when they're scoring up who did waht in the Revolution, "removing right-wing bias from RW articles" ain't gonna count for much. P-Foster (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Making Arguments[edit]
So while I know that you think that I'm reverting you on the Moore and UHC articles becuase I'm not lefty enough for you, that's not the case. I pretty much agree with you (...at least on UHC. Moore is a buffoon whose poor scholarship and abrasive style have done more to alienate people and give anti-progressive forces an easy target than anything else, but I digress...). By saying "intelligent people know that," you're doing no better than Andy Schlafly saying "it's as clear as 2+2=4!!! open your mind!!!!. It's not an argument, it's an opinion with no backing, and its painting with a broad brush--all things that undergrads get Cs for doing. Arguing that "some people woulkd argue that..." is worse. so what? Some people would argue the Earth is flat. People argue lots of things. That doesn't make them right. If you're gonna appeal to someone else's arguments, convince us why those arguemnts are good ones. Name them, for starters. More importantly, what do OTHER people argue, and how do you counter those arguments.
This sin't about politics--it's about shoddy workmanship. P-Foster (talk) 19:35, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, Moore's films are researched and fact checked quite well. It's all on his website. You might disagree with his tone (I think it's great, you can't fault the man for dumping ice water on people to wake them up) but he's not exactly making things up.UncleHo (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Then why not bring some of that diligence to your own work here and stop making edits that undermine the arguments you want to make? P-Foster (talk) 19:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- +1. Uncle Ho, write something that would actually convince someone who doesn't already agree with you. Edit-warring to put in stuff that even people who agree with you think is just shitty writing is just going to get reverted for being rubbish - David Gerard (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- "Actually, Moore's films are researched and fact checked quite well. It's all on his website." What? So now we are to believe anything people say about themselves that makes them look good on their own website? Consider the source, okay? If someone says "my films are well researched and fact checked", then you should check to make sure this is the case andd see what oter people think about the quality of his citations. For example, a creationist could claim that his claims are "researched and fact checked quite well" and cite CMI and AiG and other sources, despite the fact that these "sources" are anything but. So think before spewing the Party line blindly, okay? --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 22:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- I think he means that the research is on his website, not that the website says the films are well researched. Not that that makes UncleHo any less obnoxious, mind you, but let's keep the arguments on the level. Colonel of Squirrels白山羊不山羊。商讨。 22:04, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- "Actually, Moore's films are researched and fact checked quite well. It's all on his website." What? So now we are to believe anything people say about themselves that makes them look good on their own website? Consider the source, okay? If someone says "my films are well researched and fact checked", then you should check to make sure this is the case andd see what oter people think about the quality of his citations. For example, a creationist could claim that his claims are "researched and fact checked quite well" and cite CMI and AiG and other sources, despite the fact that these "sources" are anything but. So think before spewing the Party line blindly, okay? --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 22:13, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- +1. Uncle Ho, write something that would actually convince someone who doesn't already agree with you. Edit-warring to put in stuff that even people who agree with you think is just shitty writing is just going to get reverted for being rubbish - David Gerard (talk) 20:14, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
- Then why not bring some of that diligence to your own work here and stop making edits that undermine the arguments you want to make? P-Foster (talk) 19:43, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
Sit ins[edit]
If you're going to push your political agenda you need to get your history right. Sit ins were first widely employed by Ghandi in India. There is a world outside the US, you know. Jack Hughes (talk) 09:39, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry I'm not well educated on conciliatory, spineless pedophiles and their tactics, I guess?UncleHo (talk) 21:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, and now that I look back on the statement in question, I was referring to sit-down strikes, in which workers refuse to leave their workplace. As far as I know, Gandhi did not employ this tactic. In fact, everything I've found claims it was invented by the IWW. If you're going to push your political agenda, you need to get your history right.UncleHo (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ah, I see you're a member of the Judean Peoples Front - splitter! Jack Hughes (talk) 08:55, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, and now that I look back on the statement in question, I was referring to sit-down strikes, in which workers refuse to leave their workplace. As far as I know, Gandhi did not employ this tactic. In fact, everything I've found claims it was invented by the IWW. If you're going to push your political agenda, you need to get your history right.UncleHo (talk) 21:32, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Rosa Luxemburg[edit]
You keep claiming she was killed by the Social Democrats. People keep reverting you. I put a fact tag on the claim. You re-inserted the claim in a different way with no citation. Please get a citation for the claim or it will prolly be reverted. P-Foster (talk) 22:01, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Why is it that I seem to be the only one ever asked to cite anything? The Spartacists, of whom Rosa was a leader, were crushed by the Social Democrats in Germany. Rosa was captured, beaten, shot and thrown in a river by Freikorps thugs paid and supported by the SPD. This is fact. I would expect a "comitted leftist" to know this.UncleHo (talk) 22:05, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, now that I do more reading, it turns out she was also decapitated!UncleHo (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- EC...I am far more familiar with developing world history than Eurocentric history. sue me. Get a citation if it's such common knowledge. or just eff off. Either way is fine. P-Foster (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps it's time to do some reading, "comrade" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosa_Luxemburg UncleHo (talk) 22:08, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- EC...I am far more familiar with developing world history than Eurocentric history. sue me. Get a citation if it's such common knowledge. or just eff off. Either way is fine. P-Foster (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, now that I do more reading, it turns out she was also decapitated!UncleHo (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
A link to wikipedia? Wow. I never thought of that. Look, dude, here's some advice--when a guy like me tells you that you need to work on you social skills, it's really time to evaluate how you conduct yourself. Enjoy the day. P-Foster (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- When knowledge is that close and you don't bother finding it, you will not get much sympathy from me.UncleHo (talk) 22:17, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't object to this because it's a falsehood, but because it has no place in the article on Social Democrats. The SPD post-war government made a deal with the devil in order to fend off the Communist revolt, and while they probably didn't specifically order her death, they must've been at least aware of the potential consequences of commissioning the help of the Freikorps. All true, but that doesn't make this incident any useful for a general distinction between the two camps. Röstigraben (talk) 05:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
- Except it does, because it shows that Social Democrats and Socialists have had violent conflicts in the past and are therefore not so cozy as one would think. Many Socialists today still don't trust Social Democrats and see them as weasels who would sell them out the second it became convenient.UncleHo (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Many socialists think just same of other socialists (I know way too many of the sort of people the "People's Front of Judea" scene was based on), so that's hardly a distinction - David Gerard (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- And these socialists you know aren't funding paramilitary groups to crush Socialists, murder their leaders and dump their decapitated bodies in rivers.UncleHo (talk) 21:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Nor are the social democrats I know. But socialists certainly did stuff on that level lots and lots and fucking lots, and it's ridiculous to claim or even imply otherwise - David Gerard (talk) 22:12, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- And these socialists you know aren't funding paramilitary groups to crush Socialists, murder their leaders and dump their decapitated bodies in rivers.UncleHo (talk) 21:50, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Many socialists think just same of other socialists (I know way too many of the sort of people the "People's Front of Judea" scene was based on), so that's hardly a distinction - David Gerard (talk) 21:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- Except it does, because it shows that Social Democrats and Socialists have had violent conflicts in the past and are therefore not so cozy as one would think. Many Socialists today still don't trust Social Democrats and see them as weasels who would sell them out the second it became convenient.UncleHo (talk) 21:21, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't object to this because it's a falsehood, but because it has no place in the article on Social Democrats. The SPD post-war government made a deal with the devil in order to fend off the Communist revolt, and while they probably didn't specifically order her death, they must've been at least aware of the potential consequences of commissioning the help of the Freikorps. All true, but that doesn't make this incident any useful for a general distinction between the two camps. Röstigraben (talk) 05:23, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
What's it like, being absolutely no fun? P-Foster (talk) 21:53, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
A bad habit of yours...[edit]
Sentence fragments (even when set aside in parentheses) do not begin with an upper-case letter. I've had to fix the same type of mistake from you twice in two days now. The Revolution needs proper grammar! How else will the masses overcome their false consciousness??!!? P-Foster (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
- Two more bad habits of mine. Taking lots of painkillers after a 3 inch piece of shrapnel entered my back somewhere outside Ramadi, causing permanent back pain, and drinking lots of booze.UncleHo (talk) 08:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
- It doesn't keep you from being pedantic, annoying and boring. P-Foster (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
- Ditto at P Foster. Please learn not to abuse capital letters. It's hard work enough editing your stuff to make it palatable, don't tempt me to simply rollback for illiteracy. ħuman 03:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- It doesn't keep you from being pedantic, annoying and boring. P-Foster (talk) 20:35, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
ICE[edit]
I know my way around. You apparently don't. Please stop being utterly wrong regarding backpressure (needed on n/a engines, undesireable on supercharged engines) and get over it. ħuman 08:34, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Forced induction engines need some backpressure to operate correctly. Especially turbos, as it is exhaust pressure, after all, which spools the turbo. You might "know your way around" but I spent a large portion of my life building 1000+ horsepower engines for tractor pulling. UncleHo (talk) 08:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- The pressure differential is what drives a turbo. IE, as little as possible after the turbine. You are simply wrong. ħuman 08:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- I was talking about the pressure of the entire system. You want some manifold pressure for a forced induction system, while the rest should be free of restriction (To a point, anyway. I could go deeper into tuning issues, but I'll spare you the Corky Bell routine.)UncleHo (talk) 01:52, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
- The pressure differential is what drives a turbo. IE, as little as possible after the turbine. You are simply wrong. ħuman 08:48, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
SIGINT[edit]
Jargon should be explained. ħuman 03:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Sorry, SIGINT is short for Signals Intelligence, which is a fancy way to say intercepting and decoding messages.UncleHo (talk) 03:39, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for fixing it at waterboarding. I think you used it in one other place, too? ħuman 03:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
Audio woo[edit]
Please don't post about how electronics works until you know enough not to claim that diodes amplify or that high impedance means high power draw - David Gerard (talk) 11:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Please don't reprimand me until you learn that amplifiers are a box of diodes and transistors (Then there's the little issue of rectifiers...), and that impedence reduces the amount of Va that reaches the device, being as it is resistance combined with reactance.UncleHo (talk) 22:19, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Erm, that's bollocks, Unc. Are you related to Uncle Ed? DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 22:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- So how do diodes amplify, and how does high impedance in speakers or headphones lead to high power draw? Show me the equations - David Gerard (talk) 22:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do you even know how impedance works, or were you just looking for something to post on my comment page? If you don't know how resistance or impedance effects load power, I really don't know what to say to you, other than stop talking about anything electronics related. Then again, being as you've never heard of triacs or voltage multipliers, I really doubt you have any idea what you're talking about at all.UncleHo (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Dildoes amplify impedance? Well, I guess that's true, but still... --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 23:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- As the person who corrected Ho's egregious errors (or lack of clarity? AGF), I must interject that impedance is resistance, reactance and capacitance combined. IE, Ho, you forgot one. ħuman 00:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, impedence is Xc, Xl and resistance, however it still resists the flow of power like resistance would. Also I still find it really funny none of you know about voltage multipliers. This is first semester electronics here.UncleHo (talk) 02:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Funny that you write so badly about electronics while claiming to know it inside out. ħuman 03:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a power lineman, not a technician. I have taken electronics courses to understand the fundamentals, but I am not an expert. That said, if someone doesn't understand basic concepts like power drops and voltage multiplier circuits, they are totally ignorant of the subject.UncleHo (talk) 03:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, and you chimed in on a place where you had no idea what you were talking about. Your "expertise" didn't apply, and Dave was right with his OP here. Get over it. ħuman 03:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't question your initial edits, as I wrote my section while drinking and it was probably a horrible rant, however, are you seriously going to deny that small amplifiers are useful for high power or high impedance (Not always the same, mind you, and this may be where Dave got confused) devices?UncleHo (talk) 04:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm glad you have covered the AGF issue, yeah, you were just confused. I fixed it. ħuman 04:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- I didn't question your initial edits, as I wrote my section while drinking and it was probably a horrible rant, however, are you seriously going to deny that small amplifiers are useful for high power or high impedance (Not always the same, mind you, and this may be where Dave got confused) devices?UncleHo (talk) 04:02, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, and you chimed in on a place where you had no idea what you were talking about. Your "expertise" didn't apply, and Dave was right with his OP here. Get over it. ħuman 03:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- I'm a power lineman, not a technician. I have taken electronics courses to understand the fundamentals, but I am not an expert. That said, if someone doesn't understand basic concepts like power drops and voltage multiplier circuits, they are totally ignorant of the subject.UncleHo (talk) 03:51, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Funny that you write so badly about electronics while claiming to know it inside out. ħuman 03:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yes, impedence is Xc, Xl and resistance, however it still resists the flow of power like resistance would. Also I still find it really funny none of you know about voltage multipliers. This is first semester electronics here.UncleHo (talk) 02:54, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- As the person who corrected Ho's egregious errors (or lack of clarity? AGF), I must interject that impedance is resistance, reactance and capacitance combined. IE, Ho, you forgot one. ħuman 00:49, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Dildoes amplify impedance? Well, I guess that's true, but still... --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 23:49, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do you even know how impedance works, or were you just looking for something to post on my comment page? If you don't know how resistance or impedance effects load power, I really don't know what to say to you, other than stop talking about anything electronics related. Then again, being as you've never heard of triacs or voltage multipliers, I really doubt you have any idea what you're talking about at all.UncleHo (talk) 23:48, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- So how do diodes amplify, and how does high impedance in speakers or headphones lead to high power draw? Show me the equations - David Gerard (talk) 22:42, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Erm, that's bollocks, Unc. Are you related to Uncle Ed? DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 22:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
"#12 AWG copper stranded wire (The kind found in most electronic devices)" You're a fucking loon, right? Seriously, did you type that and expect to be taken seriously? ħuman 06:01, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Indeed. Please. Just stop talking about electronics. Really really. Either that or detail how a diode amplifies - David Gerard (talk) 09:18, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Being a lineman is indeed a respected profession, and one for which one must have a good electrical knowledge - but it is a very different field of knowledge to that of the electronics used in HiFi amplifiers. Diodes don't amplify. There are no voltage multipliers used in a HiFi amp. Power flow is an incorrect term, what actually flows is current. Oh and Huw; impedance is not resistance, reactance and capacitance combined, but rather resistance and reactance combined (the reactance being inductive, capacative or both, depending on the circuit.) DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 10:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Doh, Dave, thanks for the reminder. Sorry about that one, UH. ħuman 22:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Being a lineman is indeed a respected profession, and one for which one must have a good electrical knowledge - but it is a very different field of knowledge to that of the electronics used in HiFi amplifiers. Diodes don't amplify. There are no voltage multipliers used in a HiFi amp. Power flow is an incorrect term, what actually flows is current. Oh and Huw; impedance is not resistance, reactance and capacitance combined, but rather resistance and reactance combined (the reactance being inductive, capacative or both, depending on the circuit.) DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 10:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- The cable on my Audio-Technicas is #12 stranded copper. Besides, even if the cable is larger, the basic idea that the cable's resistance is tiny and not worth worrying about still applies. For home wiring, you're not going to have enough of a run to make any significant difference in sound quality. That's what I was trying to stress, and use some math to drive it home.UncleHo (talk) 18:57, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- Home wiring is almost always solid, not stranded. But, yeah, these days the standard is 12 awg on 20 amp breakers. ħuman 22:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
- I was talking home AUDIO wiring, not home electric wiring. I've never seen solid audio wiring. I really do think we should have some sort of math in there showing how insignificant the resistance across the cable for your average audio run would be, instead of just saying "IT'S TRUE BECAUSE WE SAY SO OK?"UncleHo (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
- Then why didn't you write "speaker wire", since that's what you are talking about? And it varies from 22 awg to easily as high as 8 awg. There is no "most common" size. You also seemed to have missed the solid speaker wire (and interconnect) thing, I don't know if people still do it though. There are many tables I've seen out there listing the series resistance of various length runs and gauges, along with discussions of the ratio to speaker impedance and the effect on amplifier damping factor. ħuman 00:00, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Even if the wire was #8, it still has an insignificant amount of resistance compared to the internal resistance of the components, so cutting length out of the wire run does nothing for your home application. If you have tables about this, why not post them? It would help clarify things. If we want to be intellectual around here, we can't just say things are true because WE said it. Evidence is always helpful.UncleHo (talk) 02:44, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
- Wire always has some impedance. One could say #18 is fine for home use, but in modern homes there is often a rack of gear in the basement servicing the entire building and wire runs could easily be well over 100 feet. Now, that's not going to matter much in a room with no more that some cheap in-wall speakers perhaps with a manual volume pot, but for high quality sound it will have an effect. Sorry, I didn't bookmark the article I refer to, but it's easy enough to calculate the series resistance of a given gauge of wire and then determine at what length it hits, say, 1/2 ohm or some other arbitrary point where it starts to act as a frequency-dependent filter due to the speaker's non-linear impedance. If I come across it again, though, I'll post a link here for you. ħuman 19:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Man, what sort of rich people do you work with, having entire racks of high-end audio equipment, and hundreds of feet of runs? I could see that for commercial sound, but for home, that would be one hell of a system.UncleHo (talk) 19:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- It's typical for new construction in high-cost areas to wire the entire house for audio, video, etc. Obviously a simple ranch house in a rural area wouldn't receive this treatment. ħuman 19:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Man, what sort of rich people do you work with, having entire racks of high-end audio equipment, and hundreds of feet of runs? I could see that for commercial sound, but for home, that would be one hell of a system.UncleHo (talk) 19:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Wire always has some impedance. One could say #18 is fine for home use, but in modern homes there is often a rack of gear in the basement servicing the entire building and wire runs could easily be well over 100 feet. Now, that's not going to matter much in a room with no more that some cheap in-wall speakers perhaps with a manual volume pot, but for high quality sound it will have an effect. Sorry, I didn't bookmark the article I refer to, but it's easy enough to calculate the series resistance of a given gauge of wire and then determine at what length it hits, say, 1/2 ohm or some other arbitrary point where it starts to act as a frequency-dependent filter due to the speaker's non-linear impedance. If I come across it again, though, I'll post a link here for you. ħuman 19:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I was talking home AUDIO wiring, not home electric wiring. I've never seen solid audio wiring. I really do think we should have some sort of math in there showing how insignificant the resistance across the cable for your average audio run would be, instead of just saying "IT'S TRUE BECAUSE WE SAY SO OK?"UncleHo (talk) 23:14, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
- Home wiring is almost always solid, not stranded. But, yeah, these days the standard is 12 awg on 20 amp breakers. ħuman 22:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Here is one. Not the one I remember, though. ħuman 19:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
This might be the one I remember. ħuman 19:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
By the way, in my building, I have 11 channels of amplification and 23 speakers, with all but two of each (the ones attached to my office computer) capable of using the same source. http://www.humanspeakers.com/images/mygear.gif is still fairly accurate. Oh, and this ignores the two crappy powered speakers I got at the dump for my flaptop. This provides for sound in five different rooms, and video in three. With IR remote repeaters and a handful of extra basic remotes for my main receiver that also control several other components, I can control just about everything from anywhere. ħuman 19:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I just wanted to point out you've probably spent more on audio than I have on my car.UncleHo (talk) 19:51, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Maybe, maybe not... all the Adcom stuff was bought used at good prices, the Sony gear came via a friend who worked there and we often traded rather than used money, neither turntable was purchased (hand-me-downs), and the speakers, well, I get them at "cost" plus my labor. The big Magnavox TV's cost dwarfs any others. Most of the studio gear was bought used as well, except for a couple of patch bays and most of the cables. ħuman 21:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC
- My last car cost me $500/year excluding fuel, and the one I replaced it with (one year older, 70k miles younger, same model) this year cost $900. ħuman 21:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Hey, just to end this, now that I am sober, may I remind you of Ohm's law? Impedance=less power, and that's a simple, indisputable fact.UncleHo (talk) 09:53, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Oi![edit]
That's enough edit warring from you two. Sort it out on the talk page first. In the meantime, step away from the computer, have a walk around the block, smell some flowers, stroke a cat. But calm the fuck down ok? --PsyGremlinFale! 09:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- I would add that I don't understand Finnish language so I'd prefer if you speak English with me, or Estonian if you can. Fine, I actually know what "en puhu viron" means, but.... --Earthland (talk) 09:43, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Yeah, I wasn't sure of the level of mutual intelligibility between Finnish and Estonian, but I knew they were similar and in the same language family so I thought it'd be worth a shot. Also it's pretty hard to sort things out on the talk page with LX when he refuses to ever compromise.UncleHo (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ho, Hi Ho![edit]
My word but you have an active talk page. So much negativity! I always like your edits. --Hillary Rodham Clinton (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- Well, most of my edits have been made while drunk, and some here tend to take things rather seriously, so it leads to e-drama.UncleHo (talk) 20:03, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
- All inebriated edits should really be in a different colors. It would make life easier. Ace's, Human's and your talk pages would then be like rainbows!--Hillary Rodham Clinton (talk) 20:54, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
There's a red star up on the christmas tree[edit]
I dare you. --85.76.115.161 (talk) 11:52, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
If you're going to target Japan[edit]
These are some better targets: Governor of Tokyo Shintaro Ishihara,Uyoku Dantai groups and an upcoming film "The Truth about Nanjing". Just stop attacking Japan as a whole, OK. Go after the nationalists.--Thanatos (talk) 23:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
- Those are pretty good targets, yes, but not as good as the god emperor and Shiro Ishii.UncleHo (talk) 06:00, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ishii would make a good article, but the nationalists are the ones in Japan who either deny Nanjing happened or try to alter it's history. These ultra-right wing nuts (and that's saying something, considering Japan's conservative nature) are the Tea-party of Nippon. We could really use an article on them and it would give you a chance to vent.--Thanatos (talk) 18:02, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Stop being an asshole over the astaru thing.[edit]
Just stop. Aren't you bored yet? P-Foster (talk) 20:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
- Please, just stop being an asshole. Be a pussy or a dick, anything but an asshole. I've got that damn "Fuck you" song going round and round in my head. Will America become the next Zimbabwe with gorgeous borgeous negros running around stealing property from ugloAmericans?!?!? ~ Lumenos (talk) 21:55, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not done, sorry.UncleHo (talk) 06:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Are you going to talk about this at all? Because when others ask you to stop doing something and your only response is "no", you sound like a petulant child (i.e., a troll). Please discuss your edits, since they radically change a lot of the content. ThunderkatzHo! 06:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC) PS Lumenos, I hope to goat your use of the term negro was supposed to be ironic or something, because if it wasn't there's this great little site called metapedia that you'd be right at home at.
- Not done, sorry.UncleHo (talk) 06:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. LX is a racist and a fasicst. Am I the only one who can see this? His bullshit "religion" is a flimsy, pathetic justification of extreme right wing, racist doctrine. Yet, no one will challenge him except me. I say fuck him, If I knew where he lived, he'd already be dead.UncleHo (talk) 06:54, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
You want proof?
- http://www.publiceye.org/racism/white-supremacy.html
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/racist-skinhead/racist-skinheads
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/1998/winter/the-new-barbarians
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/killer-kindred
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/1999/fall/sounds-of-violence
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2002/winter/from-the-belly-of-the-beast/behind-th
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2000/spring/pagans-and-prison
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2001/spring/the-new-romantics
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2000/spring/looking-backward
- http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2003/winter/reviving-paganism
This is maybe 1/16th of what I can find with a simple google search for "asatru racism"
In summary, fuck you LX, and fuck your fascist buddies! Even if I'm the only one who cares, it matters little to me. I know who you are.UncleHo (talk) 07:35, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is that proof of LX being a racist? No. So you can stop with the death threats now. -- Nx / talk 07:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is that huge proof of Asatru being racist? Yes? Heh. Clearly, our Asatru isn't like all the others and is NOT RACIST (racist as fuck) and you should leave him alone! Stop bending over for LX. I have MORE than proven his bullshit religion is warmed over Nazism, and you refuse to believe me. I suspect that even if I posted a picture of LX holding a sign saying "I AM LX! HEIL HITLER! 14/88!" with a huge swastika tattoo, you wouldn't believe it.UncleHo (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not bending over for LX. I don't agree with him on many things, and I don't particularly like him (he can be almost as bad as you when it comes to communism, but at least he can stay civil). The point you're failing to get is that people will side with LX even if they don't like him very much simply because you are a raging asshole. -- Nx / talk 08:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- From your very first link: "While members of the White Order of Thule practice a form of Odinism or Asatru, only a few followers of these pagan beliefs are White supremacist neonazis." The page already talks about how asatru can be used for racist beliefs but isn't inherently racist, so I don't understand what your point is. ThunderkatzHo! 07:52, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- (EC) You might try reading the pages before you copy-paste the links; you have just demolished your own case (never mind that it is based entirely on guilt by association). The first page linked to says, "[O]nly a few followers of these pagan beliefs are White supremacist neonazis." Most if not all of the rest acknowledge that Wotanism is a corruption even of Norse neopaganism, let alone the original Norse paganism. No, those people are not my "buddies;" to them I would say what Michael Douglas said to the neo-Nazi in the film Falling Down: "I'm an American; you're a sick asshole." ListenerXTalkerX 07:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- From the rest you would't bother reading because it would upset your white supremacist world view: HOLY SHIT ASATRU IS RACIST, AND THIS IS ONLY A FRACTION OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THEM! THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF FILES SHOWING THAT LX'S RELIGION IS MOSTLY RACIST (he is of course the sole aberration, the king of kings [NOT RACIST!!!!!]) BUT I STILL BELIEVE! I AM. THAT. DUMB! also, fuck you LX. To quote Michael Douglas in the film falling down, imagine me as Mike and you as the nazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKrMbM0K6EUncleHo (talk) 08:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Must we point out the quote in your very first link again? "While members of the White Order of Thule practice a form of Odinism or Asatru, only a few followers of these pagan beliefs are White supremacist neonazis." Reading through your sources, it becomes pretty clear that UncleHo hasn't read through them himself. One of the links might support what he is trying to say, but most of the links flat out refute his claim. UncleHo, I think I figured it out. You searched SPLC, and then after reading only the search summaries, decided the articles supported the fact that Asatru was inherently racist and copy/pasted them here. Good job. YOU FAIL RESEARCH FOREVER. ThunderkatzHo! 08:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Must I point out that you retarded British fascists not only have massive ADD, but are apparently illiterate?UncleHo (talk) 08:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Not British, hopefully not a fascist, never been diagnosed with ADD, scored perfectly fine on the reading section of the SAT's. Here's what I read after reading your articles:
- "Note that Christianity, paganism, pantheism, Odinism, and the Nordic heroic warrior myths do not automatically intersect with either White supremacy or antisemitism." "While members of the White Order of Thule practice a form of Odinism or Asatru, only a few followers of these pagan beliefs are White supremacist neonazis." "What Klassen did was to pick up ideas from the theories of Nietzsche, pantheisim, Odinism, and Celtic paganism as filtered through German Nazi retelling of the Norse heroic warrior myths, to create a religion of Aryanist White supremacy. Discarding the details, he created a form of cosmotheism in which the supreme power is the collective will of the Aryan race." "There is a large amount of literature about Norse, Viking and other Nordic heroic warrior myths. None of this is necessarily linked to White supremacist racism or antisemitism." "Some authors have racialized these myths." "The [14 Words Press] press has promoted a racist version of the ancient Norse religion Asatru that Lane refers to as Wotansvolk. Asatru, often referred to as Odinism, incorporates the worship of Odin, Thor and other gods and goddesses and is not innately racist."
- "Looking for a pre-Christian European faith to claim, some skinheads began moving towards Viking paganism in the 1990s. Known as Asatrú or Odinism, after the Norse god Odin, this religion was based on ancestral worship and heroic battle. As in radical Islam, the way to heaven (Valhalla) was to die in combat for your tribe. Much to the dismay of non-racist Asatrú adherents, Odinists found many followers in prisons, where the faith is recognized as a legitimate religion. Racist skinhead groups, like Volksfront, used Odinism to refashion themselves as "cultural heritage organizations," not hate groups."
- "Asatrú (and Icelandic word meaning "belief in the Æesir," or gods) has been officially recognized as a religion in Iceland since 1972. Historically, its architects have avoided racist interpretations of its Eurocentric cosmology." "But in the United States, where insiders say 15 percent of Asatrúers follow an overtly racist version of the theology, a struggle is now going on for the hearts and minds of its followers." "Some 40 Websites are devoted to forms of Asatrú (most of them nonracist)."
- ""Most of the guys in EK are into Asatrú [a neo-pagan faith that is not fundamentally racist, but is practiced by some racists], but then we also have guys who are into Christian Identity [an anti-Semitic theology based on a bizarre reading of the Bible], so it varies," Kennedy said. "Overall it's about brotherhood. It's about blood, not religion.""
- "Others adhere to pre-Christian theologies like Odinism, Asatrú and other polytheistic pagan faiths." (That's actually the entirety of the Asatru mentions in that article).
- "Racist Asatrúand Odinist activists sometimes do this work, too." "Non-racist versions of Asatrú and Odinism are pretty much acceptable religions in the prisons. But again, if it is a racist version of these religions, then those materials may be prohibited. "
- "Racist versions of Odinism and its Icelandic cousin, Ásatrú — as opposed to the more widespread, nonracist versions — together form a world view that one expert calls "the most dynamic of all tendencies on the radical right.""
- "Odinism is a [20th century] racist reconstruction of pre-Christian, Norse pagan traditions that were generally called Asatrú." "An Asatrúer or an Odinist, racist or not, would never pray to a god." "There are really three positions: the militant racists, the nonracists and, in between, a third, "ethnic" position."
- "Yockey's influence also persists today among the growing number of practitioners of Odinism (see Pagans and Prison FIX LINK) — in particular, the Ásatrú Alliance, headquartered in Arizona — who seek to revive the pagan rituals of pre-Christian Nordic culture."
- "Gardell does address the tensions between racist and non-racist Norse paganism, as well as those who promote "ethnic Asatrú," or Norse paganism as an "ethnic religion" for people of northern European background. While generally claiming they are not racist, they have positions which lead many — including Gardell — to conclude that their beliefs are, in fact, racist."
- Not British, hopefully not a fascist, never been diagnosed with ADD, scored perfectly fine on the reading section of the SAT's. Here's what I read after reading your articles:
- Must I point out that you retarded British fascists not only have massive ADD, but are apparently illiterate?UncleHo (talk) 08:19, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Must we point out the quote in your very first link again? "While members of the White Order of Thule practice a form of Odinism or Asatru, only a few followers of these pagan beliefs are White supremacist neonazis." Reading through your sources, it becomes pretty clear that UncleHo hasn't read through them himself. One of the links might support what he is trying to say, but most of the links flat out refute his claim. UncleHo, I think I figured it out. You searched SPLC, and then after reading only the search summaries, decided the articles supported the fact that Asatru was inherently racist and copy/pasted them here. Good job. YOU FAIL RESEARCH FOREVER. ThunderkatzHo! 08:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- From the rest you would't bother reading because it would upset your white supremacist world view: HOLY SHIT ASATRU IS RACIST, AND THIS IS ONLY A FRACTION OF WHAT WE HAVE ON THEM! THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF FILES SHOWING THAT LX'S RELIGION IS MOSTLY RACIST (he is of course the sole aberration, the king of kings [NOT RACIST!!!!!]) BUT I STILL BELIEVE! I AM. THAT. DUMB! also, fuck you LX. To quote Michael Douglas in the film falling down, imagine me as Mike and you as the nazi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKrMbM0K6EUncleHo (talk) 08:01, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- (EC) You might try reading the pages before you copy-paste the links; you have just demolished your own case (never mind that it is based entirely on guilt by association). The first page linked to says, "[O]nly a few followers of these pagan beliefs are White supremacist neonazis." Most if not all of the rest acknowledge that Wotanism is a corruption even of Norse neopaganism, let alone the original Norse paganism. No, those people are not my "buddies;" to them I would say what Michael Douglas said to the neo-Nazi in the film Falling Down: "I'm an American; you're a sick asshole." ListenerXTalkerX 07:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Is that huge proof of Asatru being racist? Yes? Heh. Clearly, our Asatru isn't like all the others and is NOT RACIST (racist as fuck) and you should leave him alone! Stop bending over for LX. I have MORE than proven his bullshit religion is warmed over Nazism, and you refuse to believe me. I suspect that even if I posted a picture of LX holding a sign saying "I AM LX! HEIL HITLER! 14/88!" with a huge swastika tattoo, you wouldn't believe it.UncleHo (talk) 07:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
What I see in all these sources is neo-Nazis taking Asatru and warping it into a racist version to fit their own needs. Nothing in any of these sources leads me to believe that Asatru is inherently racist. Racist interpretations of Asatru are already addressed in our article. You're a troll. Good night. ThunderkatzHo! 09:02, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- What you see in the article is a few sentences, as most, mentioning the massive racism present in LX's religion, but apparently he could be a proud member of the Waffen SS and have "KILL ALL JEWS!" in his profile, yet you would not see any reason to mention the racism that is endemic (and mentioned in every single article there) because it would upset your white supremacist worldview!UncleHo (talk) 09:50, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
P-Foster (talk) 18:11, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The problem here is cawmyanism[edit]
If you people would stay in your own properties and speak for yourselfs instead of going after the mainspace cawyanist territory, then you wouldn't have these problems. "Who will be self- appointed representative of RW, hiding nameless in edit history of articles?" this is what you squabble about. Getting behind the curtain and playing with the microphone of the Wizard of Oz. (The Wizard is the voice of "reason" who speaks in RW articles.) ~ Lumenos (talk) 08:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not helping. Nevermind. Carry on. It must be settled. But some Liquid threads would be nice about now, because of all the edit conflicts. ~ Lumenos (talk) 08:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, you're not helping. In fact, Heinrich Himmler would be more useful now than a Brit.UncleHo (talk) 08:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is all very confusing. Does this mean I can't be your wikilawyer? 'Cause that would be so awesome... well but then I would have to figure out what is going on here and that would be work. I think you are pretty much welcome at Lumeniki, as would be LX. But if you make teh controversial comments in articles you "have to" sign them (or someone could do it for you). I prepared a place for
your kind the last time "this" happened. ~ Lumenos (talk) 22:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- This is all very confusing. Does this mean I can't be your wikilawyer? 'Cause that would be so awesome... well but then I would have to figure out what is going on here and that would be work. I think you are pretty much welcome at Lumeniki, as would be LX. But if you make teh controversial comments in articles you "have to" sign them (or someone could do it for you). I prepared a place for
- Yes, you're not helping. In fact, Heinrich Himmler would be more useful now than a Brit.UncleHo (talk) 08:27, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
What Ace reckons...[edit]
I don't like LX - everyone, including LX, knows this. I think his religion is silly and absurd. Nonetheless I am fair in my opinions, LX has never betrayed a racist attitude nor professed any such prejudice against any subset of society (except for commies) so UncleHo should get the fuck of his case. Ace McAwesome 08:10, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
- I don't like LX. LX "knows this." I think his religion is silly and absurd. Nonetheless I refuse to read massive evidence showing his religion is more racist than the Waffen SS. That would disagree with my white supremacist world view, and that would be BAD! I can only disagree with Nazis in words and not in actions, because I secretly agree with them 100%!UncleHo (talk) 08:25, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
The Chicken Coop[edit]
Your recent behavior has been brought before the Coop.. P-Foster (talk) 18:28, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
As per RW's ad hoc response to everything[edit]
You have been blocked for 3 months and promoted. See here. Ace McAwesome 22:09, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
Death threat[edit]
Would you seriously kill LX if you had the opportunity? [4] Wouldn't you be afraid of going to prison? Do you think people deserve to die for saying "racist" or "fascist" things?
How about nepotists, as in people who give things to undeserving offspring, ignoring the needs of the rest of the people? This is similar to racism and it is much more common and socially acceptable these days. Do you think it is a dangerous philosophy that we are programed to do such things? (Donating money to one's offspring may seem to help one's genes survive.) ~ Lumenos (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
- Even now that I'm out of rehab, I still think racism is fucking disgusting and all racists should be sentenced to death. UncleHo (talk) 09:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- Now, is LX a racist? People are judged by where they hang their hats. I am of the opinion that if one hangs their hat among white supremacists while screaming "NOT RACIST" they are both a racist and a coward.UncleHo (talk) 09:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- When it comes to nepotism, remember that I am a revolutionary socialist. The bourgeoisie must be fought wherever they rear their ugly heads.UncleHo (talk) 09:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- There is absolutely no evidence that LX is a racist. Just because some racists choose to twist Nordic or Germanic paganism to justify their racism, does not mean there is anything inherently racist about those forms of paganism. A lot of people have twisted Christianity to justify racism (once upon a time very common in the US South, not so common nowadays, but still exists in the form of Christian Identity and some forms of British Israelitism) — that doesn't make Christianity an inherently racist religion, nor does it mean that all Christians are racist.
- And I think advocating the death of anyone, racist or not, is absolutely reprehensible. Racism is not a good thing, but at the same time it is also a very natural human inclination. Rather than demonising racists — or even killing them, as you advocate — we should care for them as individuals and try to lead them into the light. In fact, advocating killing racists is worse than racism, since most racists don't actually support exterminating those they look down on, even if some do (and on certain regrettable occasions, those few who do manage to implement their plans.) (((Zack Martin)))™ 10:04, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually the KKK still uses Baptist churches in the south as a front these days. I'd also speculate that LX was a racist if he was a member of one of those, by the way. Anyway, take the white supremacist religion, add in the whole libertarian thing and, yeah, chances are good he's not terribly fond of us darkies. What you have to realize is that racism can often be subconscious. Just because someone isn't burning crosses or beating black people doesn't mean they can't be a racist.UncleHo (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- Some Baptist churches in the US South may well be fronts for the KKK. But not all are. There are quite a few Baptist denominations in the Southern US with majority African-American membership. Among the historically white denominations, while some are very conservative (such as the well known SBC), others are more moderate/liberal (e.g. ABCUSA or CBF), so you'd expect them to be much less likely to harbour racists than the more conservative historically white groups. And even the SBC has plenty of non-white members - the racist Baptist churches tend to be independent or members of very small denominations. So your claim "member of Baptist church in US South" = "racist like the KKK" is demonstrably false. And if racism is subconscious, maybe you are a racist? (((Zack Martin)))™ 08:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Actually the KKK still uses Baptist churches in the south as a front these days. I'd also speculate that LX was a racist if he was a member of one of those, by the way. Anyway, take the white supremacist religion, add in the whole libertarian thing and, yeah, chances are good he's not terribly fond of us darkies. What you have to realize is that racism can often be subconscious. Just because someone isn't burning crosses or beating black people doesn't mean they can't be a racist.UncleHo (talk) 19:23, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- When it comes to nepotism, remember that I am a revolutionary socialist. The bourgeoisie must be fought wherever they rear their ugly heads.UncleHo (talk) 09:45, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- Now, is LX a racist? People are judged by where they hang their hats. I am of the opinion that if one hangs their hat among white supremacists while screaming "NOT RACIST" they are both a racist and a coward.UncleHo (talk) 09:35, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
By the way, it still really annoys me how LX keeps the page on his little cult on lockdown so one can't even mention the bonafide hate groups that practice his "religion." The same people who tear Christianity and Islam to shreds are forced to write a positive article about some garbage neopaganism because big brother is always watching.UncleHo (talk) 19:33, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- Have you seen the Asatru article? There are something like 10+ paragraphs in there that mention the presence of racists in Norse Neo-Paganism. If "Big brother" LX is keeping that page on lockdown, he isn't doing a very good job. (((Zack Martin)))™ 08:48, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Every single religion in the world has its crazy racist followers, how is Asatru different? The reason they arent mentioned as often as the racist elements of Christianity and Islam is because Asatru is a much smaller religion with an even smaller group within that small group who are neo-nazis, its to the point that while its notable it isnt worth getting in to much of a huff. — Unsigned, by: 69.120.86.245 / talk / contribs 07:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Recent edits[edit]
I have given you a short block to cool your temper/sober up. Please consider how you wish to proceed here. The community was not too happy with your behaviour a year ago and I hope you don't intend to go down that route again. Генгисevolving 12:12, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not your fascist hero. I'm not the Odinist you want. I'm the hero RW deserves, but not the one it needs right now. I'm a silent guardian, a watchful protector. A not racist knight.UncleHo (talk) 12:48, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- Dude, you are like not racism incarnate! Welcome back! I needs moar instructions from me favouritist uncle in the hole world. I think Ron Paul is the most not racist candidate right now because he wants to do a major scale back on the ole' genocide machine. Somehow I think that is so much more not racist than all the other candidates combined, but I have found one thing to be nearly universally the case with socialisation; I must be Wong. (Note that Old Man Ron has absolute authority on GooTube.)~ Lumenos (talk) 03:55, 6 February 2012 (UTC)