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Thank you for your helpful comment in Talk:Hereditarianism. --It's-a me, 🎄Lefty Green Mario!🎄 01:59, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

E. O. Wilson

Hi, I moved your E. O. Wilson page to Draft:E. O. Wilson. I suggest that you add more content before it gets moved back to mainspace. Bongolian (talk) 04:36, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

Autopatrolled

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Revert

Hi. I reverted your edits on IQ because the consensus of professionals is that IQ is not pseudoscience. An IP brought it up and I granted their request to revert it. See Talk:IQ#The_Pseudoscience_Claim_Should_be_Dropped_and.2For_the_Page_Rewritten LongStylus (talk) 04:03, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

ATIM

Hi. Please see this thread on ATIM: RationalWiki_talk:All_things_in_moderation#CBH LongStylus (talk) 00:34, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry for implying that the comment on Galaxy's talk page was yours. After seeing Super otter with hair's edits, I think that was a really poor judgment on my part. I believe that it's more likely mikemikev. LongStylus (talk) 02:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Edits on 'Race Traitor'

Please do not plagiarize content from Wikipedia on RationalWiki. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 13:57, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Copying from Wikipedia isn't plagiarism when it's attributed. All content at Wikipedia is under a creative commons license. CBH (talk) 20:34, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

It is considered plagiarism, and in very poor taste, here. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 20:43, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

"Go away Smith"

You're hiding something from us, aren't you? GeeJayK ^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 18:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

Read this discussion. [1] The previous user who accused me of being Kirkegaard, Brain Galaxy, went on to be blocked as a Smith alt. One of Smith's earlier accounts Concerned also made that argument about me. Only Smith's accounts have promoted this conspiracy theory, so it's an easy way to recognize them. CBH (talk) 18:58, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

All things in moderation

A case involving you has been raised at All things in moderation. Feel free to comment.

Bongolian (talk) 18:36, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't concern me. I've shifted focus to Wikipedia, where the resulting media coverage gets far more attention, and where another person (a real leftist!) metastasized my changes across dozens more articles than I ever edited directly. See, especially the last section All truths are linked: Wikipedia as a social experiment if you doubt my success.

Also remember that if you revoke talk page access now, you'll see nothing more about how I pulled this off. And at Wikipedia, I and my supporters will subtly mock you for having silenced me the exact moment I might have revealed something useful. CBH (talk) 20:03, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

Wow. I was going to give you some benefit of the doubt, but not anymore. What "useful insights" could possibly come from a racist, anyways? Don't bother to answer that, because I already know; none whatsoever. A real leftist would know better than to buy into racist pseudoscience. Your snide remarks have revealed nothing except that your intellect is vastly inferior to that of a turnip. --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:12, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

He's referring to an account called NightHeron on Wikipedia [2]. The account is barely active and most of their edits have been about matters related to abortion. Both CBH and Jonathan Kane have alleged that this is a hoax account. I had the account checked out over a year ago and the WMF told me this person has confirmed their identity. There is no evidence it is a fake account. This user talks about pulling things off but what have they have accomplished? nothing. All their edits on this website have been reverted. They lost, case closed! Johns (talk) 00:07, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

I've been pinged and/or mentioned several times here and at ATIM, so I'll offer my comments. First of all: congratulations to Chillpilled for his detective work with respect to Kirkegaard's trolling at this site.

Second: the NightHeron account wasn't created by Kirkegaard, and I never said that it was. It originally belonged to someone who later agreed to let Kirkegaard share it, while setting up a private proxy server so that they could both edit from the account without the IP address changing. Kirkegaard also has shared other people's Wikipedia accounts by the same method. When he tried to get me to share the account, he offered to send me the "proxy info" so I could also edit from the same IP address, and that was part of the email I mentioned here that I forwarded to Wikipedia's ArbCom in March.

I'm pretty sure I know who the account's owner is. It's someone who is active at Twitter (which presumably is where Kirkegaard met him), and his activity at Twitter reflects what his real politics are. On Twitter he calls Wikipedia a "liberal cesspool of misinformation and bias".

Third: there is a document that's been widely shared in private that makes it clearer what CBH is gloating about, and I think other people should be aware of that background. Since linking to the document itself seems to be verboten, I'll provide a brief summary without any of the doxxing details. It's about the Wikipedia user Generalrelative, and towards the end it includes the following paragraph:

Generalrelative's pattern of editing provides documentation of a vital principle about arguments against hereditarianism. When an actually pseudoscientific idea gets rejected, such as homeopathy or creationism, other areas of science aren't affected. Leftists like to pretend that rejecting hereditarianism with respect to group differences works the same way, but in the real world when "racial hereditarianism" is treated as a fringe view, it becomes necessary to reject well-established research in a vast number of other areas. This law of social science is well demonstrated by Generalrelative's reaction to "racial hereditarianism" being classified as fringe starting in 2020, and to the "race and intelligence" article being modified based on that belief.

This paragraph is followed by a list of diffs of Generalrelative removing material as "fringe" from Wikipedia's Flynn effect article, material about the Flynn effect as "fringe" from the baby boomers article, material about recent human evolution, about cognitive epidemiology, about the savanna principle, etc. These removals, and the argument they're being used to support, closely parallel the argument that CBH made here and his attempt to classify IQ as pseudoscience in this edit. He didn't have much success getting these changes made to RationalWiki articles, but somehow he apparently got someone else to make similar changes at Wikipedia.

One last note: Emily Willoughby had been aware of what was happening on these articles ever since Kirkegaard talked to me about it in 2020, and she made several attempts to interfere with it, but RW's article about Willoughby still describes Kirkegaard as someone "whom she collaborated with on Wikipedia", even though she in fact did the opposite. I'm still hoping this inaccuracy could be corrected eventually. --Tetrapteryx (talk) 02:53, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

ArbCom seems oddly hit-or-miss about responding to these kinds of situations. You might try contacting an individual seasoned admin, especially a trustworthy one with experience in the topic area. Wikipedia will have to figure its own thing out though; this would hardly be the first trolling ring they dealt with. I don't know much about you or Willoughby (haven't read into what your complaints were) but as far as the lowest hanging fruit there goes, I mostly buy her explanation about the Nazi dinosaur art. You can only meet so many actual Jewish neo-Nazis (I have met one, that was very much enough) before you stop thinking it's impossible for an individual Jew to (much less extreme) find Nazi jokes funny. Chillpilled (talk) 03:22, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Tetrapteryx, a lot of people including myself have emailed Wikipedia about the nightheron account. If the account really was a hoaxer they would have been blocked by now but years have passed. Emil Kirkegaard has been attacking Generalrelative and off-site accusing this user of being @Pinkerite Pinkerite is not Generalrelative. I have gone over general's edits on Wikipedia none of them are spoof or joke edits they are genuine edits in debunking race intelligence and other pseudosciences. The account editing is completely legit, I see no spoof editing or trolling. Are you saying the Generalrelative account is somehow related to Kirkegaard? CBH was saying above their edits attracted "a real leftist!", is this Generalrelative? I doubt anyone will ever get to the bottom of who owns these accounts. If there is real spoofing I doubt they will ever publicly reveal this. Johns (talk) 05:31, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey there ~ I was accused of being Generalrelative on my Talk page by "LuteCurrie" who may have been impersonated by Mikemikev ~ but I haven't seen a direct accusation from Kirkegaard. I was told that my presence was requested on Edward Dutton's discord, but my attempts to contact Dutton have been ignored or not received. AFAIK I've only been mentioned once by Kirkegaard on his media and he says nothing about Generalrelative there. So does anybody have any more info ~ either about Kirkegaard talking about me or this Generalrelative person? Thanks. Pinkerite (talk) 06:03, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

CBH was saying above their edits attracted "a real leftist!", is this Generalrelative? — Yes, having seen the document they posted, that's who they were referring to. They also doxed this person, and the identity given is certainly not Pinkerite.

See the ATIM case if you haven't already, Pinkerite. These accounts may have alternately been run by Kirkegaard or an associate of his, based on what Tetrapteryx has said before. Chillpilled (talk) 06:43, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

To answer your earlier comment, there was an admin whom I trusted and who understood what was going on, DGG, but he didn't want to take action about it himself because he considered himself an involved admin. I had several phone discussions with him about whether he could gather a group of uninvolved admins to address the issue, and initially he agreed he should do that, but then later he told me that he felt soliciting actions from other admins wasn't consistent with his moral principles. (Which was disappointing, but I respected his desire to do what he felt was the right thing.) I had hoped he might change his mind eventually, but he died earlier this year, and there aren't any other Wikipedia admins whom I trust enough to raise the issue with them. DGG's death pretty much erased any hope I had for a resolution.

By the way, Wikipedia has had cases of sockpuppetry that lasted for up to a decade before they were uncovered, including a few cases of administrators being exposed as socks, so I wouldn't make much of the fact that this issue has been ongoing for the past three years without anyone being blocked over it. --Tetrapteryx (talk) 07:32, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Also, I should clarify that I'm not aware of any evidence that Generalrelative is Kirkegaard or someone connected to him. As far as I can tell, he's just a leftist WP editor whose behavior is extremely predictable, and Kirkegaard has made use of that for his "social experiment". --Tetrapteryx (talk) 09:00, 31 December 2023 (UTC)