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We kinda have a policy of not linking to racist garbage like Maetpedia or Stromfornt (typos intentional). --transResident Transformers fanform! 18:23, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

We feed CP like this, don't we? And you'll notice I refrained from actually linking to them. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 18:26, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Can't the site be configured in order to prevent links to feed their google rankings? (I'm assuming that's why the policy exists). NightFlareSpeak, mortal 18:30, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
It's already that way - links are "nofollow", as far as I know. humanUser talk:Human 18:34, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
That's accurate. --Linus(plot evil tech) 15:08, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh, dear. I refuse to even open those sites... Sterilexx 18:46, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

So, why exactly is it that we have such policy? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 05:06, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
It was an "accident of acclamation". At the MP article, I once wrote under External links something like "we don't link to racist garbage", and then a series of RW editors reverted EL additions back to that. So everyone sort of agreed. As far as maintaining WIGO-reichworld, I see no problem with using appropriate links to illustrate points. We could always put a disclaimer at the top of the WIGO section warning those who get freaked out by neo-Nazism in the flesh (so to speak) that these links go somewhere rather uncivilized. By the way, did anyone add a link to here from metapedia and stormfront (and neo-Nazi and Nazi, etc.) yet? humanUser talk:Human 13:26, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
I think not. Jigsaw 14:06, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Now there are. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 14:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Intelligence gathered so far[edit]

For whoever is interested in MP:

  • Most editing in english MP seems to be done by NatAll75 and CHM8318
  • Most editing in spanish MP seems to be done by Walter Romero and Argentum 1976
  • Adding spoof looks easy enough to do for an amateur such as moi
  • They're so unmotivated to remove obvious vandalism it should probably be considered too cheap


They're clearly not used to this kind of thing. The most annoying thing about MP is that we're going to have to set up sock accounts really slowly if we don't want to be spotted. If this was CP they would have banned the last five users to sign up as soon as we starting this discussion. MP just aren't paranoid enough... yet. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:01, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Ehh, I don't understand. If MP is so not-paranoid why would we need to be so careful in setting up our socks? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:06, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
A dozen users signing up at the same time looks suspicious even to a neaderthal. But they haven't blocked that Old Swenson guy yet, have they? Not paranoid enough, I say! :)— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:11, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Well, of course that does look suspicious, but one or two accounts per day per person seems more than fine even considering the low activity they get. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Excellent! They're going to end up with a "Sock to Human" ratio of about 30:1!— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:33, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Did you like my Old Swenson thing? It'll probably be a while until they start reading us so I wouldn't worry. Jigsaw 14:01, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Indeed, it was most lulzworthy, and long may it stand unnoticed! I bet a couple of them are aware of RW, though -- we had Metapedians over here a while back, didn't we? They were fretting over the article we had about them.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 14:09, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Now that you mention that, they probably will notice us soon. Its probably better that way though, it could accelerate their descend into paranoia. Jigsaw 14:19, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Now you're talking :). I am fighting the urge to make a pun about your name...— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 14:21, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Spit it. Jigsaw 14:34, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Get jiggy with it. Oh yeah.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 14:39, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Excellent. The only pun I could think of was related to jizz. Jigsaw 14:45, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
And suddenly I retake the moral high ground. Yes!— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 14:48, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

List of Administrators: Admin, Aurvandil, Bh3u4m, CHM8318, Doktor Faustus, Günther, Gunpowder, Hagal, M.1712, NatAll75, Teutonic, Troy, Southgate, Yaroslav, Zolotaryov Rational Edperception 08:53, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Couple things[edit]

  1. Namespace comes after fame and success prove its worthiness
  2. The WIGO voting mechanism is a backend program Trent wrote. If this gets rolling, we can ask him to duplicate it for WIGO Naziland.

humanUser talk:Human 18:34, 7 May 2008 (EDT)


It appears that the task you all gave me was solved by others. Damn, you guys are quick—I hadn't even got to the point of begging for help yet. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 14:57, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

A testament indeed to the efficiency of the old "ignore the problem and hope someone else deals with it" approach. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 14:58, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
(Edit conflict. grr) We aim to please. Peronsally, I think it's still essentially your baby, so feel free to micro-manage what's going on around here.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 15:01, 8 May 2008 (EDT)


[1] "Peter Lipson" is a redlink on the czech metapedia. That's pretty silly. --AjkeldsenCum dissensie 15:08, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Fuckin great. Just fuckin great. Does it mention that I'm a jew too?-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --It hurts when I do "this" 15:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Any publicity is good publicity, right? --AjkeldsenCum dissensie 15:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
LOL that's just too funny. I speak some serbo-croat - which an ex girlfriend told me is darn close to Czech - but not enough to go there and edit it to add "Kike" :D Fox 15:44, 8 May 2008 (EDT)


Quite a few user pages just say "'sup". What does this mean?--Bobbing up 15:23, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

It means I couldn't think soon enough in something good to spam. Jigsaw 15:26, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
(Damn you and damn your damn edit conflicts) I think it means they've been sandalised by Sigjaw and no one noticed yet. Excellent. You know, I think we might be able to finish off Metapedia before the weekend.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 15:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)


I'm toying with using this for a future WIFR, but for now I'll just stick a link to it here so I don't have to wade through all that crap again to relocate it: Ugly Aryans! Apologies to those of you aren't Nazis. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I really hate to ask this...[edit]

But, is this true? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:07, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Looks like the answer may be yes & no. Check out snopes.com for their take on it. They are normally quite reliable. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 17:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Holy shit[edit]

Andy is an actor?! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:11, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

That really is a "Royal Flush" :D Fox 16:13, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

That's right, my radioactive friend! But we should be shush shush about this, really. They're not especially bright when it comes to weeding out parody/vandalism, so there's a good chance they won't even notice this. But did you see the others, too? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 16:14, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Star Wars[edit]

...I found it funny... UchihaKATON! 16:56, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Me too! That was you, was it? I think they probably know what's happening now.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 17:00, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
How do you know? They haven't even responded. Jigsaw 17:22, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
You're right. But next time they glance at RC they're sure to work it out, aren't they? And, in other news, I hope whoever's doing this is writing down the passwords. Some of the accounts will probably get through.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 17:27, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
From my (admittedly limited) experience, they really don't mind much whether something is a spoof or not and likely wouldn't see much wrong in so many new accounts in such a short time (if they notice the time logs at all, after all, they weren't around to perceive it). We probably should calm down a bit with the new accounts though. Jigsaw 17:40, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Maybe somethings here could be deleted just in case. I doubt they'd bother checking our RC. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 17:45, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
I meant their RC. The one with scores of new accounts on it.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 17:48, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Gawd, I hope you guys are around to help clean up the mess when the retaliation comes. If they figure out who is playing with them, anyway. Hint: Don't let on and maybe they'll just think it was anonymous. humanUser talk:Human 18:07, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
They've only had 2 obvious wandal attacks today, haven't they? Unless they do notice the spoofs (and I bet they won't) they'll think it was a single individual or 2 and we should stay undiscovered. Jigsaw 18:12, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Holy shit, there is more than a hundred Star Wars things now. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 18:18, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

"We are under attack and need help." Rational Edperception 19:57, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

"We are apparently under some sort of attack. Anyone know what's happened to Günther?" [2] Bwuahahahaha! humanUser talk:Human 20:25, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Sounds like dialog from a bad WWII movie. Rational Edperception 20:27, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
You should see the user creation log... you guys are definitely a bunch of idiots (of the best kind). humanUser talk:Human 20:32, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

So far...[edit]

Only two not-quite parody pages have been deleted, even though there are many more in the face of recent changes. This is almost too easy... Jigsaw 16:19, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I can't even get it to verify my e-mail. If this was D-day, I would be the guy who falls into the water and drowns before even seeing the beaches. Worst invasion ever.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 16:21, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
If you're using a web proxy, try another. Jigsaw 16:26, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
When you try to edit your userpage (and fail), you'll get a chance to send a confimration email. Rational Edperception 16:28, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, but I've requested several emails by now. I think it just doesn't like the address itself. I'll try another...— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 16:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Now I'm having e-mail problems too, I've tried various users, proxies and e-mails.
Is anyone else having that issue? Jigsaw 15:00, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
From what I can see other people seem to be getting on - so it would seem not.--Bobbing up 15:10, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
You don't need an e-mail to create an account, but you do need one in order to edit. Jigsaw 15:28, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

My baby[edit]

It's all grown up. *sobs of joy* --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Hiding Identies[edit]

If people are going to go play with neo-nazis, shouldn't we deep-burn anything on RW that would let them trace any of us first. Sooner or later we will get visits from the Cyber-SS, and I think it would be wise to take precautions before finding a problem on our hands. Angband 13:50, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Indeed. I think that anyone wishing to discuss ... sensitive issues should enable their email. We can discuss stuff safer that way, and hey, I has some wandalism on wheels to do. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Done. Jigsaw 14:09, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
I agree. It's only common sense.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 14:23, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
So, are we going to make a google group or something? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 14:38, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Patience ... ;) --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

(undent) I was going to suggest a new namespace for select users, like the sysop-only pages on CP. We'll also have to discuss fortifying against retaliatiory vandalism when they become aware of what is going on. Angband 15:37, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Nah, the sysop-only pages were exposed by Tmtoulouse, icewedge, and Linus within hours of creation - all with different methods. I'd look for something more secure. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
r Really how? I probably won't be taking part though, I prefer to give others advice. Also I sent you an e-mail Interpreted about a ... sensitive issue. Goodnight Angband 15:44, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Transposing pages as templates, and exporting them via transwiki ... and something else, I can't remember what. Just type in {{Seekrit naemspace:Dark doings}}, and pow, it comes. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
Your partyvan back up has arrived, Rationalwikians. Expect the cogs of the internet to come to full capacity in the next day or two. --La cabra anónima 16:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Thanks, Cabra Anonima ... OR SHOULD IS SAY Haet? ;) --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

(undent) Thanks for everything Interpreted, yes I was able to see chit-chat about the Halifax Troll from last july. I was going to post it on their Main Page for the lulz.Angband 17:01, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Arrgh, what be this blabberin' ye speak of? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 17:06, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Go to CP type {{Sysop:Vandalism}}, hit preview. Angband 17:47, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

The religious right is the bane of society[edit]

The religious right is child molesters who want to destory the aryan race. They are the most perverted and antiwhite guys on earth. Whitepowah!! Murray clay with boobs 17:33, 11 May 2008 (EDT)


how do ya do the tinyurl thingy? DLerner 20:37, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Follow link explaining how from the page itself? I'd suspect that you go to tinyurl.com, put your url in a box and click "go", then copy the new link they give you. humanUser talk:Human 20:59, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

thank u. now i can haz tinyurl DLerner 21:05, 11 May 2008 (EDT)


Wow, "a Jew from Iran". How confusing must that be to our moronic friends? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:12, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

MP Blog log[edit]

The list says there's two logs without infinite time blocks. There's at least five:

01:24, 11 June 2008 NatAll75 (Talk | contribs) blocked "LIBERALCOMMUNISTLOL (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled) (Inserting nonsense/gibberish into pages)

03:38, 16 May 2008 NatAll75 (Talk | contribs) blocked "Cmountsr (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled) (Abusing multiple accounts)

03:37, 16 May 2008 NatAll75 (Talk | contribs) blocked "Eula rowden (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled) (Abusing multiple accounts)

23:19, 10 May 2008 NatAll75 (Talk | contribs) blocked "Bronze (contribs)" with an expiry time of 6 months (account creation disabled) (Removing content from pages)

01:13, 5 October 2007 NatAll75 (Talk | contribs) blocked "Konrad Kruger (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 week (account creation disabled) (Adding unnecessary pages. )

D-Notice 15:45, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

06:10, 3 October 2007 Yaroslav Zolotaryov (Talk | contribs) blocked "Soo… What is this, Nazipedia? (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 day (account creation disabled) (Unacceptable username)
I corrected the value in WIGO4R. If you don't think it's worthy then click the down arrow. That's what its all about. (The truth is not a popularity contest). Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 03:18, 25 July 2008 (EDT)



Following up the links for Liteditor exposing Fox, this association occurred to me:
Jinxmchue = Yankevich?
Or have I fallen for a simulacrum? Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 03:11, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Your drugs are better than mine? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:18, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
Simvastatin & warfarin? Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 03:20, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
See to the right? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:34, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
Contraindicated. :( Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 04:22, 25 July 2008 (EDT)
Pwned. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:24, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

Klaus von something[edit]

Somebody please do my homework for me and find out how true this is. NightFlareThis is a talk page. 22:48, 25 July 2008 (EDT)

No hotlinks to M-pedia and S-front?[edit]

Hey, Genghis - don't we explicitly discourage linking to the bad guys? PFoster 12:01, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Can I ask why? tmtoulouse persecute 12:02, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
Why we don't? Someone explained it once in terms of how links help to increase google rankings and thus visibility...PFoster 12:04, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
If someone goeth directly there then they can tell where one came from. (I can on my site using Google analytics) Using Tiny stops it. SusanG  ContribsTalk 12:07, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
Links from Here are NOFOLLOW I understand & don't increase rankings. SusanG  ContribsTalk 12:09, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
You might want to use that policy for Scientology links, too. They're believed to register IPs of visitors. Chris Fanshaw 12:11, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
Right, it doesn't increase their ranking and why do we care that they know we exist? tmtoulouse persecute 12:12, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
Alright, then. My bad. Move along, nothing to see here....PFoster 12:13, 27 July 2008 (EDT)
Just to explain. I was going to pose a query about whether I should do it but realised that we already have links to the sites from the blog entries. And if you look at how I linked them through tinyurls you will see it's not exactly complimentary. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:29, 27 July 2008 (EDT)


We have not updated this since the 28th of July, almost two months ago, hence, I am nominating this article for deletion (not to mention that it is against our policy to link to site of this particular content). It was nice while it lasted, but I don't see much reason for it to go on. ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ Give a man a face, and he will say what you want to hear. Give him a mask, and he will say what he wants

Well, it seems to be moderately active (like, a days worth of edits almost fills the page, as opposed to Wiki4CAM, which, frankly... anyway) but I'm not sure who keeps an eye on it or whether that activity is reportable. I don't think there's much need to delete the entire thing though but if there isn't a link to it via the main page like the other WIGOs it's not likely to recieve any attention from anyone. Is there any way of just integrating the metapedia stuff into the other WIGOs or somehow making a new category that includes it and others like it (as it's not particularly a blog, clog or news site)? ArmondikoVsshole 22:28, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
I oppose any deletion of this. We should leave it. That way, if someone wants to pick it up, they can. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 22:48, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
I've been here about a month now and I never noticed this page before. Also says it hasn't been edited since 31st January. Vote for deletion? SJ Debaser 08:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
Don't delete, just let it languish. Delete just due to not being edited? That's a rather strange criterion. Someone might come along and take an interest, after all. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:09, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
We could keep it as a tourist attraction...-- 忍者  N I N J A A A H ! ! ! ! ! 11:37, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Let's start it up again![edit]

I want to know WIGO:4R reich now.Bootmii 05:19, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Well I'll be damned, people have actually returned to Metapedia. Blue Talk 05:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
I would like it revived also, unless of course clogs covers it, but then I am guessing that we may want to split the content depending on the degree of NSFWness. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 03:02, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
No. ТyNot updated with a witty slogan this week 03:52, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
This has been dead for over four years. We put a tombstone on it and everything. Stop trying to exhume the body for heaven's sake. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 05:35, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Restarting 4R[edit]

In 13 March, there were about 300 edits in MP. CP's edits the same day were a hundred or two hundred more. 4R deserves to be alive.--Seonookim (talk) 07:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Coverage of Conservapedia gets grandfathered in because of its cultural importance to RationalWiki — it is not a measuring stick for the importance other sites. Ten edits a day on a racist wiki still makes for a very pathetic site not worth our attention. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 07:33, 14 March 2013 (UTC)


Should we just repurpose this WIGO to follow the Trump campaign? Vulpius (talk) 14:39, 14 March 2016 (UTC)

The Alt-Right[edit]

With the ascendancy of Trump and Bannon in particular and the alt-right in general, I propose we restart this page to keep track of their exploits, on sights such as Stormfront, The Daily Stormer, and possibly Breitbart. RoninMacbeth (talk) 01:00, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Why was this dead? Inactivity, since no one was adding it since 2012? Is there a healthy amount of new information we can add? It sounds like a good idea, but I'm not here for long enough. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:08, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Anyone want to go through Breitbart and see what... insights they have? RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:18, 16 March 2017 (UTC)