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Super ^{Dude,Where's my car?} 11:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Hey, Please note that claiming that various organisations torture children is a pretty heavy accusation and should be well referenced. If you want, you can create a userspace page and work on the article there before adding it to mainspace. Super ^{Dude,Where's my car?} 11:52, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. About that next time, I will try to remember to cite my sources. ClickerClock (talk) 12:17, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Formatting

Please only capitalise the first word of a new section heading, plus any proper nouns. Don't capitalise every word. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 07:31, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Sorry. Thanks for letting me know. I will try to in the future. ClickerClock (talk) 07:38, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Janitor

We're so sorry, but your recent edits here have made us demote you to the unfortunate position of janitor. Here's your broom and dust pan. Now get back to work! Old guard (talk) 02:56, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

NOOOOOO! ClickerClock (talk) 03:24, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Your sig

Should probably contain a link to your user or user talk page. You may have "sign my name exactly as shown" ticked, unticking it will solve this. Christopher (talk) 13:15, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Okay, will attempt. ClickerClock 07:29, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Attempt one. ClickerClock (talk) 07:30, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Attempt success! ClickerClock (talk) 07:31, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Christopher (talk) 07:32, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Welcoming new users

We generally only welcome users when they've made a couple of edits. Christopher (talk) 17:17, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Sorry!ClickerClock (talk) 08:42, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Citing Wikipedia

Whilst it isn't ideal, there's nothing wrong with citing Wikipedia and it's certainly better than having {{fact}} tags all over an article. Christopher (talk) 10:32, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

You got a point and Wikipedia is just as accurate as Britannica. ClickerClock (talk) 10:33, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

It has to be accurate, I saw a Wikipedia article that said so!. Christopher (talk) 10:44, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Trail/trial

As the alternative spelling materially altered what was being said, and I was commenting anyway, you can see why I made the change - the right 'wrong action.' 86.146.100.101 (talk) 11:57, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Please instead ask the person you corrected to spell his words properly. ClickerClock (talk) 11:59, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

It is a natural/learned wiki-editor-habit to correct an error spotted wherever it is - and you can see where I was coming from. 86.146.100.101 (talk) 12:18, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Yep.ClickerClock (talk) 00:28, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Gadgetspace is editable

Have fun. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 01:02, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Not to ClickerClock it isn't, due to him/her not being a tech. This should probably change. Christopher (talk) 14:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I see you

Since 95% of your edits are of a technical nature (and thanks!) have you considered asking to be a Ninja? it would help you switch to bot mode and not fill in recent changes so much. (although of course you should be visible for contentious changes) Bicycle^wheel 11:28, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Sure! ClickerClock (talk) 11:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I think you could use tech as well, I'll make you one in a second. Christopher (talk) 14:03, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Changing navsidebar colors

http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Logicnav&diff=1842378&oldid=1763563

This only works if you change the colors of the icon, too. If you're interested in doing it yourself, Inkscape is excellent. If not, hit me up (or don't change the colors :P). Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 00:45, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Just to let you know

On this talk page, you said:

"I changed the wording to 'He proposes that echidnas and platypuses are the descendants of a cross between birds and mammals.' Better?"

This is just to let you know that in the same place, I've responded to your question.162.197.60.142 (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2017 (UTC)Gene McCarthy

Cute tech-savvy robots wanted for the board of trustees!

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If you are still having technical difficulties

Please email me, David Gerard, or Tim Starling. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 17:01, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Generations

Should we make a fun article on another generation? (Remember Fun:Millennials?) —вιgℓʝвιgℓ (ᴛᴀʟᴋ/sᴛᴀʟᴋ) 15:36, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Sure! @Bigljbigl ClickerClock (talk) 03:04, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back!

You missed the 2017 board election, can't think of anything else that important off the top of my head. Christopher (talk) 10:56, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks ! ClickerClock (talk) 10:57, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Testing

Testing 1, 2, 3. ClickerClock (User talk:ClickerClock) If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|ClickerClock}} to your message, and signing it.

09:41, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Let's try this again. ClickerClock (Talk) If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|ClickerClock}} to your message, and signing it. 09:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

It works if you don't substitute it. Christopher (talk) If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|Christopher}} to your message, and signing it. 10:44, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Odd. @Christopher, the wikipedia says it only works if subst: is used. It works with subst too! If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|ClickerClock}} to your message, and signing it. It failed when I attempted to add it to my user sig. So I guess we cant do that. ClickerClock (talk) 10:48, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the "Awesome Award", ClickerClock! I appreciate it. Bongolian (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Testing

Testing 1, 2, 3. ClickerClock (User talk:ClickerClock) If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|ClickerClock}} to your message, and signing it.

09:41, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Let's try this again. ClickerClock (Talk) If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|ClickerClock}} to your message, and signing it. 09:43, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

It works if you don't substitute it. Christopher (talk) If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|Christopher}} to your message, and signing it. 10:44, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Odd. @Christopher, the wikipedia says it only works if subst: is used. It works with subst too! If you reply here, please ping me by adding {{ping|ClickerClock}} to your message, and signing it. It failed when I attempted to add it to my user sig. So I guess we cant do that. ClickerClock (talk) 10:48, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the "Awesome Award", ClickerClock! I appreciate it. Bongolian (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Vladimir Putin as a science denier that's anti-innovation.

You seem to be reverting the fact that Putin is a science denier himself.[1] He has been promoting entrepreneurism and internationalization in Russian science in attempt to burnish the nation's prestige while also diversifying its stultifying, oil-dependent economy. However, the arrest of innovators, such as Dmitri Trubitsyn in Akademgorodok, a Soviet-era sanctuary of scientific research that was supposed to showcase this, illustrate why such a breakthrough in Russian science has proved so elusive: The Russian state, which is Putin's main vehicle for his plans for the nation’s resurgence, often stifles growth. A bureaucracy empowered by a steady erosion of democratic checks and balances can often smother new ideas. In other words, Russia is arresting scientists for allegedly involved in a criminal conspiracy for inventing and innovating too fast, too freely.[2] Also, he has not only rejected science and feared the educated,[3] but also denies man-made climate change as a threat, just like Trump.

What does Trump cracking down on science and tech has to do with Putin? And what Putin has to do with the anti-science movement? -- Bryan See (talk) 15:26, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

@Bryan See I was not aware that Putin was a global warming denier nor that he was arresting scientists. Thank you for the information. ClickerClock (talk) 09:38, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Not to mention, waging war on science because Putin knows that his threat to his regime is always and precisely among the thinking and educated. Also, he may be a Luddite who's anti-technology - he may paint computers (he may have echoed Trump's views), digital technology (such as the carrier's superior Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch system) and the Internet (of which he calls the project of the CIA). @ClickerClock -- Bryan See (talk) 12:04, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Phobosgate

There's a talk page section on Phobosgate, see User_talk:Bryan See/Phobosgate#Sources_to_make_serious_case_for_Phobosgate -- Bryan See (talk) 08:26, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Have a beer!

For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Spud has awarded you some beer. Look it has a goat on the label!

Thanks. You deserve this. Spud (talk) 13:13, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! ClickerClock (talk) 13:14, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Message

I failed too many times, could you just email it? —ℓσωℓу ѕуѕσρ вιgℓʝвιgℓ σf gσαтιѕтαи (ᴡᴏʀᴅs ᴏғ ᴡɪsᴅᴏᴍ/ᴀᴄʜɪᴇᴠᴇᴍᴇɴᴛs) 05:38, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bigljbigl done! ClickerClock (talk) 05:43, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Moving pages to userspace

In relation to User:Bryan See, I noticed that you have moved quite a few of his pages from mainspace to userspace. I'm interested in your opinion on whether these pages should also be moved:

• Ramzan Kadyrov
• Parents Against Underage Smartphones

Thanks. CowHouse (talk) 03:40, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

@CowHouse Ramzan Kadyrov seems to be fine, it just needs more work. Parents Against Underage Smartphones has too little references to be in mainspace. Don't forgot to remove categories if it's in user space. ClickerClock (talk) 03:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you!

Someone finally noticed my multiple threads on the Duplicate articles page! -DiamondDisc1|1csiDdnomaiD (talk) 05:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Cool. ClickerClock (talk) 05:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I need someone to vandalize my page

It's to test a gadget.

@Bongolian

ClickerClock (talk) 07:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Any particular type of vandalism? Bongolian (talk) 07:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Not really. ClickerClock (talk) 07:16, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@Bongolian ClickerClock (talk) 07:18, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

You could always create a sock puppet to test the vandalism yourself if you wanted to. I'll give it a go. Bongolian (talk) 07:19, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Note to self: make a sockpuppet. ClickerClock (talk) 07:20, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

It's works! Thank you for the vandalism. @Bongolian ClickerClock (talk) 07:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

Speciesism

So I see you've made edits to the "speciesism" page to refute, as you call it, the "pro animal bias".

Some issues with what you added:

1. “People part of the Animal Liberation Front often use strawmen to make make their point. The standard Animal Liberation argument goes [Singer's Argument]” – This suggests that you don’t understand what a strawman is. A strawman is when an opponent’s argument is misrepresented, and that misrepresented argument is refuted instead of the actual argument. How was what Singer said misrepresenting an argument? He simply explained his thoughts and was consistent in what he said. He wasn’t trying to rebut any point.
2. “Therefore valuing humans because of intelligence is illogical. Valuing humans on the basis of intelligence can have nasty consequences.” – Exactly. Intelligence doesn’t matter, so saying animals matter less than humans due to their lower intelligence is baseless
3. "The thing many animal rights activists overlook is that Signer is an eugenicist who actually values a healthy dog's life over a baby with down's syndrome. He honestly believes that parents should be allowed to kill their disabled babies." - This argument is an instance of the genetic fallacy. Ideas should be evaluated on their own terms, not by reference to the originators. What he says about parents and their babies has nothing to do about his views regarding animals.
4. "Disabled humans do not like being compared to animals nor do they like being considered or argued to be less worthy of life than a healthy dog." – This ableism is solely with respect to cognitive ability. I’m sure a dog doesn’t “like being considered or argued to be less worthy of life” than a healthy person. This means nothing.
5. "He also stated in an interview in 2013 that he believes that in 100 to 200 years from today, humans will look back on how we treat animals today in a similar vein to how we now look back on our ancestors who kept slaves." – If you really want this to be a false equivalence, you need to explain why it is one.
6. "Using slavery as an excuse to promote your agenda is of course messed up and racist." – I doubt that Dawkins was trying to be racist. It’s not an “agenda” either since Dawkins outside of that one interview doesn’t seem to talk much on the issue.

RockyRob97 (talk) 11:36, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

1. The misrepresentation is that animal rights activists act like speciesist value humans more based on intelligence. It's more complicated.
2. We agree.
3. Overruled. Genetic fallacies apply to evidence (studies), not a philosophical argument. Overlooking a man's eugenicist ideas devalues disabled people. Scientists nowadays often refuse to use research that were an result of unethical eugenics. I understand that Singer sees me less than human. I understand that Animal rights activists often view disabled people as pawns in their battle for animal rights. I am not a speaking point. I am a human being. Animal rights activists continue to ignore disabled people who are deeply uncomfortable with a man who believes its okay to murder disabled babies.
4. Excuse me? I said I do not like being compared to an animal. The fact you consider a dog's feelings over a disabled human really says something about your priorities. I value a dog's life but I refuse to be argued to be less worthy of life than a dog to promote your agenda. That is it. Simple. Do not use an philosophical argument where you argue a disabled child's life to be less than a dog.
5. It is a false equivalence but you do not believe it to be so. Jewish people often get very offended if you compare the holocaust to animal slaughter. Black people get offended if you use their suffering composed of a disgusting history of rape, kidnapping, child labor, lynching, mutilation for PETA purposes.
6. Accidental racism exists.

—ClickerClock (talk) 12:06, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Thanks

...but you can understand my position: I don't think I am being unreasonable/over-sensitive. Anna Livia (talk) 10:17, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

Delete

Could you delete all edits by I have strong opinions about high school? Xe's a troll. I already binned xer. —Supreme Leader Bigs of Goatistan (Words of Wisdom/Achievements) 20:47, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

All edits seem to be reverted already. —ClickerClock (talk) 01:00, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Not funny

I am not amused - especially after the vandalism on my user and talk page. Anna Livia (talk) 20:51, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. @Anna Livia —ClickerClock (talk) 02:02, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

• Opening or attention getter - Address the individual: "ClickerClock,"
• State your concern - Express your analysis of the situation in a direct manner while owning your emotions about it. "I'm concerned that LynnR is no longer responding about the joke on the page on Anarchism."
• State the problem as you see it - "The sentence 'By the way, any information relating to anarchists should be reported to your local police' is not explicitly marked as a joke, so RationalWiki might lose angered audience members or otherwise take this seriously."
• State a solution - "Let's explicitly mark the sentence as a joke or delete the sentence."
• Obtain agreement (or buy-in) - "How does that sound to you?"--73.252.167.210 (talk) 23:55, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I did use the preview button

Not sure why you think I haven't. - Chris.Sherlock (talk) 00:16, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm asking you to use it more. Look at this. I had to click a button on every single edit you made on this wiki to say "this is not vandalism. stop flagging this edit". I had to manually click a button for all your edits. @Chris.Sherlock —ClickerClock (talk) 00:20, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

To keep or not to keep?

Should this be reverted? Birdman already posted that on both his user and talk page. I was not at all involved in this fiasco, and you seem to be the sysoping guru, so I'm asking here. LynnR (talk) 03:46, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@LynnR lets guess ignore birdman and let birdman rant —ClickerClock (talk) 11:36, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, that seems like the best thing to do. Thanks. LynnR (talk) 12:31, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Doxxing?

This was just posted on a user's talkpage. I do not think Smash Fascism meant to dox Tuna or any other person, only meaning to inform him about Rightpedia's smear piece (it's possible they're unrelated anyway and Rightpedia just wants to connect a bunch of RW accounts to one person), but the page also gives his real name, address, and picture. Even if it's not actually Tuna in the page, I'd rather we not spread that personal information by leaving it up. Does this violate the rules? (sqıɹʇuoɔ) (ʞlɐʇ) ɐuıƃƃıɹds @ 17:52, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

I think it probably was intentional, I've deleted the revision. Christopher (talk) 17:54, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Complimentary hug

Thanks for endorsing me! -DiamondDisc1|1csiDdnomaiD (talk) 05:28, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks ! —ClickerClock (talk) 05:30, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Moderator nomination

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations.

CowHouse (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Sent an email

Just to confirm, did you get the reply I sent? —Kazitor, ^pending 10:40, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kazitor No, did u get my email? —ClickerClock (talk) 13:14, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Kazitor I got it. It's just in the spam folder. —ClickerClock (talk) 13:30, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

being a ballot reader

Have you considered it? You're not a candidate and would definitely be able to do it. Christopher (talk) 17:59, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

@Christopher explain —ClickerClock (talk) 03:18, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

There's some stuff on RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations, you probably want to talk to FCP. My impression is that someone is needed to read the poll results, and presumably that person shouldn't be a candidate so they can't alter the results in their favour. —Kazitor, ^pending 03:28, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

OpenSTV is a Python program that reads a ballot file. David Gerard would grab the ballot file, I would regex out some stuff that OpenSTV can't read and add in candidate names, etc. You'd confirm that the changes I made were reasonable (literally just removing candidate IDs that OpenSTV reads as weights), read the ballot file for irregularities (eg, a bunch of accounts voting in the exact same way in a short time period), and read the results that OpenSTV outputs to confirm that they're reasonable (eg, widely hated candidates don't win). If you're comfortable with Python, we'd also love it if you ran OpenSTV yourself. If this sounds intimidating, it's not, and I'd be there to help. Hopefully David too, though that's less probable. FuzzyCatPotato of the Cut-rate Oganessons (talk/stalk) 18:47, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

@FuzzyCatPotato Sure —ClickerClock (talk) 01:47, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

david gerard will probs have the ballot ready today or tomorrow. does either day work for you? FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 13:44, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello? Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 20:13, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

The tea competition

It seems that Archivist removed the topic (more precisely, the topic's not on the saloon bar any more). It also seems you haven't been around for over two weeks (wow, how horrible). So, um. Just informing you. —Kazitor, ^pending 03:22, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

It cool —ClickerClock (talk) 10:59, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Since you're currently active again, what was supposed to the ego-boost for the competition? —Kazitor, ^pending 11:41, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kazitor

№1 Short Story ¶
awarded to
(Username)

—ClickerClock (talk) 04:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Ooh, that's fancy. Thanks :) —Kazitor, ^pending 05:05, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

@Kazitor Who won? —ClickerClock (talk) 06:37, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

I did, though I'm not sure if I'll be participating again. Also seems as if the other one just sort of... disappeared. —Kazitor, ^pending 08:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

March for our lives

You have been reverting my edits on the blog o sphere without leaving any comment why. Could you comment as to your reasons for doing so? West --110.144.19.106 (talk) 08:49, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@110.144.19.106 Breitbart is a trash site. The photos in that Breitbart article may have been photoshopped. It's only okay to post links from untrustworthy sites if the reporting has been collaborated by other better sources or as a joke. The Vice source is okay as it has been collaborated or it's a joke post. Not picking up rubbish isn't very important. Imagine how petty I would be, if I complain about pro-life protesters littering? Gotcha pro-lifers ha you littered! LOL. HAHA. See I'm not being petty at all. —ClickerClock (talk) 09:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Issues with other user

Hi. One user has made accusations against me and reverted all my edits and revoked my user rights. I was not given any warnings prior to any of his reverts.

With regard to his accusations, this is what he said "1. You seem to be a BJP proponent editing BJP-related pages. 2. You've engaged in plagiarism".

He has not said from where the plagiarism is supposed to come, and has not asked me about it. I used an old version of wikipedia for some of the information, but most of it was rewritten or clearly referenced to websites.

His other accusation about BJP (the BJP is the current ruling party in India) is also wrong. I'm not a proponent of the BJP. I'm also not aware that RationalWiki forbids editors on the basis of political affiliation.

On the other hands, due to the work of one editor, all Hinduism articles are extremely biased not only against the BJP, but against all aspects of Hinduism in general (like factual errors about Hindu educational institutions, ...). That user clearly was a SPA with the mission of Hindu-baiting. My edits were trying to make them a bit more factual and balanced.

For example, in the honor killings article I removed the category Hinduism [4], because it is not supported by any Hindu text or authority or guru, and is not practicised in Hinduism. I'm open to the possibility that it happens also among Hindus (I don't know), but is not part of Hinduism (which category implies).

My issue was not that honor killings do or do not occur among Hindus (I simply don't know enough about it), but that it is not part of Hinduism and Hindu doctrine (which I am sure about), which the categorization implies. My issue was solely about the categorization.

In the David Frawley article (about a fairly mainstream Hindu writer on Hinduism and Yoga) I balanced some extreme smears with actual quotes from the author. It is a "Biography of A Living People" article and therefore should be held to some higher standards.

And in an article about a Hindu educational institution, I pointed out that there are factual errors in the claims in the article [5], which still have not been fixed.

Please can you help? Thanks. --Stargazer (talk)

About that

Some of the stuff on the page was actually going to put in a book of mine, and I've got no where else to put it. The PIE related stuff was meant to be the basis of a translator, but that didn't end well. Darthmaul (talk) 05:40, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

@Darthmaul COOL! —ClickerClock (talk) 05:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi!Sonikkustar (talk) 10:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)