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Block #100840

To the moderators: @Bongolian, @DuceMoosolini, @LeftyGreenMario, @RWRW, @RoninMacbeth, @Spud

On 19:47, 17 January 2019 @Dysklyver blocked me with an expiration time of about 9 hours (autoblock disabled) for the following reason: "Overdue for a block: Actively proving to be an unwanted misogynist asshole."

I checked RationalWiki:Blocking_policy and I read that:

• "In general, RationalWiki discourages blocking, especially for extended periods of time."
• "Blocking should only be used if somebody is maliciously editing a page or pages, as explained below."

Since it doesn't seem to me that I did any of the kind of malicious actions listed on RationalWiki:Blocking_policy#Malicious_editing, I ask Dysklyver to make clear: (1) which policy I violated to justify a 9 hours block and (2) when/where I violated such policy.

Thinker^(unlicensed)

I'll be happy to unblock you, as per the mighty rules, if you'd just tell me what you think of their actual block reason, and whether you think it's accurate or not. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 20:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

(also someone else will probably eventually unblock you if I don't but that's my ask) ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 20:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Nine hours is not a particularly long block, but let's hear from @Dysklyver before unblocking you. Bongolian (talk) 20:22, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Putting toxic masculinity in air quotes is not a good sign, but not grounds to call someone a misogynist and probably not grounds to get banned over. The user is getting worked up over an ad like all the other anti-feminists, but that's about it, really. This is basing just on Saloon Bar, maybe this user posted actual misogynistic comments somewhere else? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Still uncomfortable about these kinds of blocks. Unless this person's alleged misogyny is reaching DarkMaster2 levels of disruption, I would advise unblocking. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Agree. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

To clarify the situation, the issue is encapsulated in Special:Diff/2033395, where the Thinker appears to make some pretty dodgy implications. Per RW:CS#C. para. 3 this is not allowed. misogyny is bad, etc etc. I have unblocked you, have fun. — Dysk (contribs) 21:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Dysklyver "where the Thinker appears to make some pretty dodgy implications. Per RW:CS#C. para. 3 this is not allowed."

What is not allowed? RW:CS#C. para. 3 says "Discussions here sometimes get heated, but resorting to personal attacks is strongly frowned upon, however justified they may seem. In particular, attacks incorporating racist, threatening, sexist and homophobic language and insults are not tolerated. Accusations of fascism or comparisons to Hitler are also best avoided (see Godwin's Law)."

Which part of RW:CS#C. para. 3 do you think I violated? Thinker^(unlicensed) 21:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

I also support unblocking this user. DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 21:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Syops

If you make more mainspace edits I could make you a sysop. Commie Lib (talk) 23:24, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Sysop

Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, wizard Sysop has been added to your user rights. Feel free to let your newfound ᴘᴏᴡᴇʀ course through your veins. Once the high wears off, see RationalWiki:Sysop guide for more information. If you have questions, bleat ask away.Commie Lib (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

The horror. — Dysk (contribs) 22:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

I have created a monster. Don't disappoint. Commie Lib (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

To Be Honest

If you want to engage in constructive dialogue with RWians, I would advise not engaging with Ikanreed. Like I said, I trust him. But he's a zealot, in the best and worst ways. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Indeed I'm not discussing very much with ikanreed anymore, that accusation of racism is the reason. I think it is important and I explained why. If you don't want to adjudicate that, then no problem. But I don't see why it shouldn't be considered on the page "All things in moderation". Thinker^(unlicensed) 19:53, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Partly because it isn't really anything the moderators should get involved in for now, partly because if the mods did get involved, well, it probably wouldn't end too well for you. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Alleged, Allegedly allegation

I have to say, I don't see the point in your argument. CNN has a certain bias, so what? It should be obvious from our discussion in the Saloon that others think your point represents a weak hypothesis. It proved so annoying it was finally collapsed, I don't want to continue indefinitely with this argument but I think there is a real difference in the two cases you offered:1) CNN: 'Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime and 2) CNN: Conservative activist allegedly attacked on UC Berkeley campus. In the second case the alleged assailant is identified in the story. In the first case the attack is a rewrite of a police report with no identified perpetrators. Media is free to assume the event took place because the police reported it. No one can sue CNN for that. Your complaint just makes you appear to be intentionally annoying.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Invitation RW discord

You are hereby invited to the discord. Have fun.

Secret club

You are hereby formally invited to the cabal, of which there is none. — Oxyaena ^{Poke me} 21:23, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Please do not uncollapse troll comments

It's not helpful. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 18:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

You did it again yesterday in the Saloon. Stop it. Bongolian (talk) 18:14, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

It isn't worth it.

Why are you trying to fight against the hordes of degeneracy that lurk here ? Go do more profitable ventures. ^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:ca:8200:34a:547d:c472:fe15:52a / talk}

Block #103049

To the moderators: @Bongolian, @DuceMoosolini, @LeftyGreenMario, @RWRW, @RoninMacbeth, @Spud

On 19:00, 20 March 2019 @Ikanreed blocked me with an expiration time of about 52 minutes for the following reason: "You're not entitled to troll".

I contest this block since I don't see my actions are trolling. I also point out that ikanreed is continuing his personal attacks by making up false accusations against me, precisely that I am a racist, that I defended every nazi mass murderer, and that I posted white nationalist (oh God, I'm not even a nationalist...) talking points (click, click). He also keeps collapsing my comment on the Talk Page of Christchurch terrorist attacks. Thinker^(unlicensed) 19:26, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

It was trolling. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:27, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

It was trolling. Don't like the collapse, I'll give you the troll picture instead. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

I weep crocodile tears for you, UnlicensedThinker. Did you know that as a sysop, you have the capacity to unblock yourself? Bongolian (talk) 19:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Was this trolling? Because ikanreed has blocked me from writing to any page of RW, included the Saloon Bar. Thinker^(unlicensed) 19:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

It's either trolling or outstanding ignorance on how words work. Not flattering to your complexion either way. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Just unblock yourself, and please stop calling every mod over to handle stuff that you can take care of on your own.DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 19:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Do not ping the moderators because you are blocked. It makes you seem foolish. Talk on the relevant talk page, and if others don't agree with you, that's the end of the game. Ariel31459 (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

You understand don't you

That the solution to not being called a conspiratorial racist shit is to stop being a conspiratorial racist shit? ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

To be more clear, I don't want to have to keep reading your garbage shitposts. It's tedious and tiring and fills up pages of the saloon bar with racist bullshit. Go do literally anything else with your time here, I can't take anymore of exactly what you do. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

"stop being a conspiratorial racist shit?"

@Ikanreed Still waiting for a link to a racist statement I made.

"I don't want to have to keep reading your garbage shitposts."

Who's forcing you to do that? Thinker^(unlicensed) 22:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Stop being so intellectually dishonest. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario ikanreed keeps calling me a racist, I ask him for a proof of any racist statement I made, he of course doesn't give any, and you say that I am the intellectually dishonest one... Thinker^(unlicensed) 09:04, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Your sea lioning isn't as bad as it used to be

I appreciate the restraint. No really, this isn't sarcastic. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

That recent rape culture stint just tells me that nothing really has been changed. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I was wrong. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 23:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Straw man

Rationalwikians spotted battling outside the Saloon bar. (colourised 2019) :D — Dysk (contribs) 13:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

so UT, in the past week has-

• Suggested black people shouldn't be entitled to a few exclusive spaces
• Suggested calling the police on black people whenever they look suspicious
• Hated on one of the only holidays dedicated to praising women
• Engaged in pro-plague politics

-RipCityLiberal (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@RipCityLiberal Except I never did any of those things. Especially the last one, since I actually added a pro-vaccination video to both the anti-vaccination movement page and the Saloon Bar.

But go on, fight as many straw men as you like, if it makes you feel good... Thinker^(unlicensed) 19:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Epic. — Dysk (contribs) 13:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

So the one thing I was wrong about and acknowledged, is the one again you choose to use as an example. Thanks for the confirmation!RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Also you fucking deleted the conversation me and @TabulaRasa had about your first bullet point which was valuable and again, dealt with information you'd rather didn't exist. RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Pathetic and ridiculous

"Also still, UT continues to not recognize institutional and systemic racism which is spot on for a white supremacist. RipCityLiberal 15:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)"

@RipCityLiberal You always go for personal attacks, because you are unable to argue your positions. I pointed out to the difficulties of reparations for slavery, and you accuse me of being a white supremacist. Next time what personal attack will you make? Will you call me a Nazi? Thinker^(unlicensed) 16:46, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thought the title was referring to you for a second.

That'd make more sense, tbh. Ꞩᵽꞧɨꞡꞡɨꞥⱥ (ⱦⱥłꞣ) (ȼøꞥⱦꞧɨƀꞩ) @ 18:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

LMAO, it would. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Look, they teamed up! After all, RipCityLiberal will probably never reply. He still has to reply to when I pointed out that he accused me of "engaging in pro-plague politics" after I posted a video supporting vaccinations, so... Thinker^(unlicensed) 21:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Lol. Sorry I have other things going on in my life than a wiki, especially to constantly respond to white supremacist masquerading as concern troll. I argue my positions with evidence, examples and passion. But when fucks like you ignore that, then I just call a spade a spade (although you would probably also hate being called a spade, what with you being so concerned about white purity and all that), and then you get offended. Again standard operating procedure for your ilk.

1. Say something mildly racist
2. Get called out
3. Double down on the mild racism and include a "logic qualifier" that ups the racism slightly
4. Get called out, and have the "logic" called out as being inadequate for the institutional and systemic history
5. Ignore this and continue with word salad
6. Get called a straight up racist
7. "STRAW MAN, STRAW MAN!! YOUR ARGUMENT HAS NO LOGIC (BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT COMPLETELY)!!! I AM A VICTIM!!!"

Rinse and repeat.

I'm just waiting for the eventual, "If black people didn't want to get harassed by the police they should stop committing crimes", then transformation from white supremacist to alt-right will be complete.RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

"white supremacist An advocate or supporter of the doctrine that white people are superior to other peoples, and should therefore have greater power, authority, or status." Oxford Dictionary Thinker^(unlicensed) 07:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Ah yes the classic,"Good sir, here is the dictionary definition of the phrase you have used. As you can see, that cannot possibly describe me, as it does not exactly match word for word who I am as a human being." RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

@RipCityLiberal It's not that it doesn't much word by word the definition of Oxford dictionary, it's that it doesn't even closely resemble any definition of the term "white supremacist" that is commonly used.

Anyway, if you think I'm playing with semantics, then give your definition of "white supremacist" and provide one sentence I wrote on this site that support your assertion that I am a white supremacist, according to your definition. Let's see. Thinker^(unlicensed) 18:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

It's literally hysterical how predictable your entire thought process is. This is point by point your argument style. There is zero point in engaging with imbeciles like you. You either think your being clever or you honestly believe what you write. Either way it's dangerous. But that's white privilege for you.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

"There is zero point in engaging with imbeciles like you."

Still, you keep doing it. Thinker^(unlicensed) 20:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Mainly because I'm bored at work, but also because people like you need to be popped in the mouth from time to time to remind them that their beliefs are not normal, moral or just.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Should we take you two to the COOP? — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:25, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Please don't waste everyone's time in the COOP.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Please do not threaten each other. No one's beliefs justify preemptive violence. Commie Lib (talk) 00:44, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

"Please do not threaten each other."

@Tabula Rasa I never threaten RipCityLiberal. Thinker^(unlicensed) 06:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

"Threat" is certainly not how I would describe my statements. More like alliteration.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

This feud of yours is hilarious, keep up the great work, UT and RipCity! — Oxyaena ^Harass 17:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

First you want to take it to the Coop, then you think it's hilarious? Pick a side@Oxyaena :) --RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@UnlicensedThinker @Oxyaena ok then. I wouldn't like to see this go to the Coop though. There is no sysop tools abuse, vandalism, or serious harassment. ^{— Unsigned, by: Tabula Rasa / talk / contribs}

True, but it's starting to become disruptive. We don't want another Mona fiasco, do we? — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

@Oxyaena I guess you are correct. I went through the records of Mona and AvengeroftheBon that looked like a disaster. Commie Lib (talk)

@Oxyaena @Tabula Rasa I have no idea of what you are talking about. The situation is really simple: RipCityLiberal keeps accusing me of being a white supremacist. That's a pathetic and ridiculous claim. End. Thinker^(unlicensed) 22:38, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

The Mona situation is why we don't mention Israel and Palestine much on the wiki. Commie Lib (talk) 02:28, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like you've got your panties twisted up in a bunch over this, UT. — Oxyaena ^Harass 06:08, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Closet white supremacists don't like being called out. I'm happy to be the target of their delusions. Let's me sharpen my skills and also let off so much needed steam during this constant threat.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:31, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Deleting from your talk page

Don't do it unless it is for a good reason like harassment, doxing, or spamming. Bongolian (talk) 07:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bongolian From RationalWiki:Community_Standards#User_pages: "A user's talk page, like any other talk page on the site, is public and does not belong to the user. However, users are permitted to delete posts from their own talk pages at their discretion, being responsible for any abuse of this permission. Users who believe their comments have been removed unjustifiably can take their case to the Chicken Coop or All Things in Moderation, rather than edit-warring over the removal."

I removed from the thread "Pathetic and ridiculous" all the comments that were not mine or of RipLiberalCity, because that thread is intended as a conversation between me and RipLiberalCity and the comments from the other users were not pertinent to the conversation. So yes, I believe they are spam. Thinker^(unlicensed) 08:24, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

UT's the king of this hill, go find your own! — Oxyaena ^Harass 10:33, 27 June 2019 (UTC)

Block #107602

@Bongolian You blocked me for "Excessively offensive comments."

Which comments did I make that you think are excessively offensive?

P.S. By the way, you find the time to block me, but you never replied to my post about removing spam from my own talk page. Thinker^(unlicensed) 13:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@UnlicensedThinker, you were effectively advocating violence in this statement that you made.[1] 1) ADX Florence is a maximum security prison designed primarily for violent prisoners. 2) You were thereby encouraging your fellow troll to commit violence in order to be imprisoned there. FYI, @Oxyaena. Bongolian (talk) 16:41, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

"you were effectively advocating violence in this statement that you made."

@Bongolian Wait! But wasn't the block for "Excessively offensive comments"? Now it is for "advocating violence"?

"ADX Florence is a maximum security prison designed primarily for violent prisoners. 2) You were thereby encouraging your fellow troll to commit violence in order to be imprisoned there."

Well, I did say to Trash Man that if he thinks ADX is such a nice place then he can commit some crimes to get imprisoned there... to laugh at his argument. But if you really want to interpret such mockery as advocating violence... OK. Maybe just let me know that, instead of blocking me with vague "Excessively offensive comments." Thinker^(unlicensed) 17:01, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Bongolian Why ping me? Also UT, do not remove the collapsed section for content that is clear trolling. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@Oxyaena, you had warned UT not to collapse the offending section just before I removed it completely, so I thought you should be made aware of what happened and why. Bongolian (talk) 19:24, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought UT removed it twice. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:36, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

Block #107602 (Off-Topic)

@2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C93E:519:E1F1:948D @GrammarCommie

This thread is about the off-topic comments made in the section Block #107602. I removed them from that section because there were not about Block #107602. Gimme a moment and I reply. Thinker^(unlicensed) 18:16, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

"Yays, UT has the support of a far-right loony!! Will he condemn that support or will he take what little he can get? Let's watch and find out!!!"

@GrammarCommie I don't know this 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C93E:519:E1F1:948D guy, and I don't know what "condemning the support of somebody for me" should mean. If there are specific statements made by this guy that you think I should condemn, point me to those statements and I will judge them. Thinker^(unlicensed) 18:26, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

This statement, made using their sockpuppet account. If you need proof that the BoN and the account are the same person I can link the relevant edits. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 18:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

So you asked me to condemn the support of 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C93E:519:E1F1:948D but you were actually referring to a post under another nickname and in another page? How could I possible understand what you meant? Even if 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:C93E:519:E1F1:948D and Communist are the same person, how could I know?

Anyway, here my reply to that post:

"Bill Clinton literally starved 500,000 brown children in Iraq to death. Wasn't he a white supremacist too then?"

I have no time and I don't care to fact-check that claim about Bill Clinton. It's true that many things related to immigration that now Democrats see has inhumane were actually supported and done by Democrats not a long time ago. For examlpe, see indignation about children in cages and Obama administration.

"The reality is that the Democratic base have become insanely liberal on immigration whereas Republicans are about where the center used to be. If anything Republicans have also become more liberal since the 90s, they just haven't turned into complete whackos who want to increase immigration as much as possible and think any restriction is "white supremacy" the way Democrats, especially college-educated white Democrats, have."

In part a hyperbole, but there are studies showing how the Democrats moved to the left more than Republicans moved to the right (click)

"The polarisation in our political landscape is entirely die to the Great Awokeming and the so-called rise of the far right is an absurd myth."

There's a rise of the right, and in part of the far-right.

"If anything Republicans have also become more racially liberal, just not at nearly the same rate as Democrats. You were far more likely to see a KKK or Nazi rally in 1992 than in 2019, it is complete bullshit media hype that there is supposedly a rising Nazi movement and that Nazis never marched on America's streets until 2017."

I don't have time and I don't care to fact-check those dates.

"I think a lot of "woke" people have skeletons in the closet. If you were around in 1997, you probably wanted to build a wall, and were therefore literally Hitler by your current standards. "

See my first comment. Thinker^(unlicensed) 22:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie I'm very curious about this evidence you speak of. All the more so since I know it to be imaginary. Or is this a "we're all iterations of the same universal mind" atman=brahman sorta deal? 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:EC6C:B406:F578:1C59 (talk) 00:35, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Sysoprevoke

Why did you get your tools taken? Commie Lib (talk) 02:42, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Recurring bullshitter. Enough is enough. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario Shouldn't this be taken to coop first? Commie Lib (talk) 02:46, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

I guess, if anyone cares enough about keeping UnlicensedThinker around to do it. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 02:47, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

Coop notice

A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment.

Commie Lib (talk) 02:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

I cannot comment on the coop, I've been blocked and I cannot unblock me. Thinker^(unlicensed) 07:50, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

I have unblocked you for the purpose of you representing yourself in the coop case. I advise you to stay out of the Saloon while the coop case is active. Bongolian (talk) 07:58, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

It the possible event you survive the assassination attempt you might want to not post so much on the bar anyway. Lest the pitchforks come out again on a regular basis. :p — Dysk (contribs) 11:27, 30 June 2019 (UTC)