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NekoDysk 13:12, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Block #100840[edit]

To the moderators: @Bongolian, @DuceMoosolini, @LeftyGreenMario, @RWRW, @RoninMacbeth, @Spud

On 19:47, 17 January 2019 @Dysklyver blocked me with an expiration time of about 9 hours (autoblock disabled) for the following reason: "Overdue for a block: Actively proving to be an unwanted misogynist asshole."

I checked RationalWiki:Blocking_policy and I read that:

  • "In general, RationalWiki discourages blocking, especially for extended periods of time."
  • "Blocking should only be used if somebody is maliciously editing a page or pages, as explained below."

Since it doesn't seem to me that I did any of the kind of malicious actions listed on RationalWiki:Blocking_policy#Malicious_editing, I ask Dysklyver to make clear: (1) which policy I violated to justify a 9 hours block and (2) when/where I violated such policy.

Thinker(unlicensed)

I'll be happy to unblock you, as per the mighty rules, if you'd just tell me what you think of their actual block reason, and whether you think it's accurate or not. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
(also someone else will probably eventually unblock you if I don't but that's my ask) ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:17, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Nine hours is not a particularly long block, but let's hear from @Dysklyver before unblocking you. Bongolian (talk) 20:22, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Putting toxic masculinity in air quotes is not a good sign, but not grounds to call someone a misogynist and probably not grounds to get banned over. The user is getting worked up over an ad like all the other anti-feminists, but that's about it, really. This is basing just on Saloon Bar, maybe this user posted actual misogynistic comments somewhere else? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:34, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Still uncomfortable about these kinds of blocks. Unless this person's alleged misogyny is reaching DarkMaster2 levels of disruption, I would advise unblocking. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Agree. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
To clarify the situation, the issue is encapsulated in Special:Diff/2033395, where the Thinker appears to make some pretty dodgy implications. Per RW:CS#C. para. 3 this is not allowed. misogyny is bad, etc etc. I have unblocked you, have fun. NekoDysk 21:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
@Dysklyver "where the Thinker appears to make some pretty dodgy implications. Per RW:CS#C. para. 3 this is not allowed."
What is not allowed? RW:CS#C. para. 3 says "Discussions here sometimes get heated, but resorting to personal attacks is strongly frowned upon, however justified they may seem. In particular, attacks incorporating racist, threatening, sexist and homophobic language and insults are not tolerated. Accusations of fascism or comparisons to Hitler are also best avoided (see Godwin's Law)."
Which part of RW:CS#C. para. 3 do you think I violated? Thinker(unlicensed) 21:47, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
I also support unblocking this user. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:49, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Syops[edit]

If you make more mainspace edits I could make you a sysop. Commie Lib (talk) 23:24, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Sysop[edit]

Because of your edits to and time on the wiki, wizard Sysop has been added to your user rights. Feel free to let your newfound ᴘᴏᴡᴇʀ course through your veins. Once the high wears off, see RationalWiki:Sysop guide for more information. If you have questions, bleat ask away.Commie Lib (talk) 22:24, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

The horror. NekoDysk 22:36, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
I have created a monster. Don't disappoint. Commie Lib (talk) 23:34, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

To Be Honest[edit]

If you want to engage in constructive dialogue with RWians, I would advise not engaging with Ikanreed. Like I said, I trust him. But he's a zealot, in the best and worst ways. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:26, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Indeed I'm not discussing very much with ikanreed anymore, that accusation of racism is the reason. I think it is important and I explained why. If you don't want to adjudicate that, then no problem. But I don't see why it shouldn't be considered on the page "All things in moderation". Thinker(unlicensed) 19:53, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
Partly because it isn't really anything the moderators should get involved in for now, partly because if the mods did get involved, well, it probably wouldn't end too well for you. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:15, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Alleged, Allegedly allegation[edit]

I have to say, I don't see the point in your argument. CNN has a certain bias, so what? It should be obvious from our discussion in the Saloon that others think your point represents a weak hypothesis. It proved so annoying it was finally collapsed, I don't want to continue indefinitely with this argument but I think there is a real difference in the two cases you offered:1) CNN: 'Empire' star Jussie Smollett attacked in possible hate crime and 2) CNN: Conservative activist allegedly attacked on UC Berkeley campus. In the second case the alleged assailant is identified in the story. In the first case the attack is a rewrite of a police report with no identified perpetrators. Media is free to assume the event took place because the police reported it. No one can sue CNN for that. Your complaint just makes you appear to be intentionally annoying.Ariel31459 (talk) 23:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Invitation RW discord[edit]

You are hereby invited to the discord. Have fun.

Secret club[edit]

You are hereby formally invited to the cabal, of which there is none. Oxyaena Poke me 21:23, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Please do not uncollapse troll comments[edit]

It's not helpful. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

It isn't worth it.[edit]

Why are you trying to fight against the hordes of degeneracy that lurk here ? Go do more profitable ventures. — Unsigned, by: 2601:ca:8200:34a:547d:c472:fe15:52a / talk

Block #103049[edit]

To the moderators: @Bongolian, @DuceMoosolini, @LeftyGreenMario, @RWRW, @RoninMacbeth, @Spud

On 19:00, 20 March 2019 @Ikanreed blocked me with an expiration time of about 52 minutes for the following reason: "You're not entitled to troll".

I contest this block since I don't see my actions are trolling. I also point out that ikanreed is continuing his personal attacks by making up false accusations against me, precisely that I am a racist, that I defended every nazi mass murderer, and that I posted white nationalist (oh God, I'm not even a nationalist...) talking points (click, click). He also keeps collapsing my comment on the Talk Page of Christchurch terrorist attacks. Thinker(unlicensed) 19:26, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

It was trolling. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:27, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
It was trolling. Don't like the collapse, I'll give you the troll picture instead. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I weep crocodile tears for you, UnlicensedThinker. Did you know that as a sysop, you have the capacity to unblock yourself? Bongolian (talk) 19:31, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Was this trolling? Because ikanreed has blocked me from writing to any page of RW, included the Saloon Bar. Thinker(unlicensed) 19:34, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
It's either trolling or outstanding ignorance on how words work. Not flattering to your complexion either way. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:39, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Just unblock yourself, and please stop calling every mod over to handle stuff that you can take care of on your own.Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 19:46, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Do not ping the moderators because you are blocked. It makes you seem foolish. Talk on the relevant talk page, and if others don't agree with you, that's the end of the game. Ariel31459 (talk) 21:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

You understand don't you[edit]

That the solution to not being called a conspiratorial racist shit is to stop being a conspiratorial racist shit? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

To be more clear, I don't want to have to keep reading your garbage shitposts. It's tedious and tiring and fills up pages of the saloon bar with racist bullshit. Go do literally anything else with your time here, I can't take anymore of exactly what you do. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:08, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
"stop being a conspiratorial racist shit?"
@Ikanreed Still waiting for a link to a racist statement I made.
"I don't want to have to keep reading your garbage shitposts."
Who's forcing you to do that? Thinker(unlicensed) 22:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
Stop being so intellectually dishonest. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
@LeftyGreenMario ikanreed keeps calling me a racist, I ask him for a proof of any racist statement I made, he of course doesn't give any, and you say that I am the intellectually dishonest one... Thinker(unlicensed) 09:04, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Your sea lioning isn't as bad as it used to be[edit]

I appreciate the restraint. No really, this isn't sarcastic. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:41, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

That recent rape culture stint just tells me that nothing really has been changed. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:25, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, I was wrong. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 23:28, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Straw man[edit]

Rationalwikians spotted battling outside the Saloon bar. (colourised 2019) :D NekoDysk 13:19, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

so UT, in the past week has-

-RipCityLiberal (talk) 16:50, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

@RipCityLiberal Except I never did any of those things. Especially the last one, since I actually added a pro-vaccination video to both the anti-vaccination movement page and the Saloon Bar.

But go on, fight as many straw men as you like, if it makes you feel good... Thinker(unlicensed) 19:43, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Epic. NekoDysk 13:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
So the one thing I was wrong about and acknowledged, is the one again you choose to use as an example. Thanks for the confirmation!RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:18, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
Also you fucking deleted the conversation me and @TabulaRasa had about your first bullet point which was valuable and again, dealt with information you'd rather didn't exist. RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:22, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Pathetic and ridiculous[edit]

"Also still, UT continues to not recognize institutional and systemic racism which is spot on for a white supremacist. RipCityLiberal 15:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)"

@RipCityLiberal You always go for personal attacks, because you are unable to argue your positions. I pointed out to the difficulties of reparations for slavery, and you accuse me of being a white supremacist. Next time what personal attack will you make? Will you call me a Nazi? Thinker(unlicensed) 16:46, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Thought the title was referring to you for a second.
That'd make more sense, tbh. Spriggina (thảo luận) (đóng góp) @ 18:38, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
LMAO, it would. Oxyaena Harass 19:35, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Look, they teamed up! After all, RipCityLiberal will probably never reply. He still has to reply to when I pointed out that he accused me of "engaging in pro-plague politics" after I posted a video supporting vaccinations, so... Thinker(unlicensed) 21:18, 20 June 2019 (UTC)
Lol. Sorry I have other things going on in my life than a wiki, especially to constantly respond to white supremacist masquerading as concern troll. I argue my positions with evidence, examples and passion. But when fucks like you ignore that, then I just call a spade a spade (although you would probably also hate being called a spade, what with you being so concerned about white purity and all that), and then you get offended. Again standard operating procedure for your ilk.
  1. Say something mildly racist
  2. Get called out
  3. Double down on the mild racism and include a "logic qualifier" that ups the racism slightly
  4. Get called out, and have the "logic" called out as being inadequate for the institutional and systemic history
  5. Ignore this and continue with word salad
  6. Get called a straight up racist
  7. "STRAW MAN, STRAW MAN!! YOUR ARGUMENT HAS NO LOGIC (BECAUSE I CHOOSE TO IGNORE IT COMPLETELY)!!! I AM A VICTIM!!!"
Rinse and repeat.
I'm just waiting for the eventual, "If black people didn't want to get harassed by the police they should stop committing crimes", then transformation from white supremacist to alt-right will be complete.RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:15, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
"white supremacist An advocate or supporter of the doctrine that white people are superior to other peoples, and should therefore have greater power, authority, or status." Oxford Dictionary Thinker(unlicensed) 07:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Ah yes the classic,"Good sir, here is the dictionary definition of the phrase you have used. As you can see, that cannot possibly describe me, as it does not exactly match word for word who I am as a human being." RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:03, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
@RipCityLiberal It's not that it doesn't much word by word the definition of Oxford dictionary, it's that it doesn't even closely resemble any definition of the term "white supremacist" that is commonly used.
Anyway, if you think I'm playing with semantics, then give your definition of "white supremacist" and provide one sentence I wrote on this site that support your assertion that I am a white supremacist, according to your definition. Let's see. Thinker(unlicensed) 18:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
It's literally hysterical how predictable your entire thought process is. This is point by point your argument style. There is zero point in engaging with imbeciles like you. You either think your being clever or you honestly believe what you write. Either way it's dangerous. But that's white privilege for you.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
"There is zero point in engaging with imbeciles like you."
Still, you keep doing it. Thinker(unlicensed) 20:17, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Mainly because I'm bored at work, but also because people like you need to be popped in the mouth from time to time to remind them that their beliefs are not normal, moral or just.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:11, 25 June 2019 (UTC)

Should we take you two to the COOP? Oxyaena Harass 21:25, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Please don't waste everyone's time in the COOP.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
Please do not threaten each other. No one's beliefs justify preemptive violence. Commie Lib (talk) 00:44, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
"Please do not threaten each other."
@Tabula Rasa I never threaten RipCityLiberal. Thinker(unlicensed) 06:32, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
"Threat" is certainly not how I would describe my statements. More like alliteration.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:25, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
This feud of yours is hilarious, keep up the great work, UT and RipCity! Oxyaena Harass 17:23, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
First you want to take it to the Coop, then you think it's hilarious? Pick a side@Oxyaena :) --RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:10, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@UnlicensedThinker @Oxyaena ok then. I wouldn't like to see this go to the Coop though. There is no sysop tools abuse, vandalism, or serious harassment. — Unsigned, by: Tabula Rasa / talk / contribs
True, but it's starting to become disruptive. We don't want another Mona fiasco, do we? Oxyaena Harass 20:00, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@Oxyaena I guess you are correct. I went through the records of Mona and AvengeroftheBon that looked like a disaster. Commie Lib (talk)
@Oxyaena @Tabula Rasa I have no idea of what you are talking about. The situation is really simple: RipCityLiberal keeps accusing me of being a white supremacist. That's a pathetic and ridiculous claim. End. Thinker(unlicensed) 22:38, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
The Mona situation is why we don't mention Israel and Palestine much on the wiki. Commie Lib (talk) 02:28, 27 June 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like you've got your panties twisted up in a bunch over this, UT. Oxyaena Harass 06:08, 27 June 2019 (UTC)