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Is this a fleeting visit, or are you going to stick around? SophieWilder 16:27, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Probably not insane[edit]

Have fun! - David Gerard (talk) 09:59, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yay. Zero (talk) 12:18, 4 September 2013 (UTC)


Actually, they're all part of the same anti-vandal script. I'm having a problem with the main one (in my monobook) it keeps running into your spam filter. I just put a note on the technical support page for assistance on what's triggering the spam filter. (I didn't write this tool , but I USE this tool regularly over on wikipedia )  DeadMan Wonderland   13:45, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Tagging for deletion[edit]

When you are tagging an article for deletion, please don't just add a template, as you did here. You also need to point out your reasons for deletion on the article talk page. At the very least, this will increase the chance that people will notice the discussion and participate in it. Unlike Wikipedia, we don't have a centralized page that keeps track of deletion discussions.--ZooGuard (talk) 12:01, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

We really should have a centralized deletion page, though. (This will, of course, not happen, because the status quo's fee-fees might get hurt.) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:15, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

This website is not a concentration camp[edit]

I know you´re new around here and all, but don´t act like a fascist please. Free speech and dissent are cherished here, whatever their source. Marcus Cicero SPQR100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 15:38, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

It just seemed like somebody jumped in, created an account to troll and I was all "Well. This guy's a dingbat." and spanked him. Zero (talk) 15:40, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, well. Thats not how we do things around here. Yes, he was trolling. But who is to say that trolling cannot be valuable at times? Marcus Cicero SPQR100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 15:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
I do, actually. I'm okay with being snarky but I actually don't like trolling all that much. I'll respect the way things are done here, but I don't have to like it. Zero (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Marcus Cicero is a tedious attention-seeking twat, a one-trick pony, and best ignored. Alec Sanderson (talk) 17:06, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Seconded. He's just trolling you. Ignore. Hipocrite 17:53, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
You must take everything MarcusCicero says about RationalWiki with a bulkerful of salt. He's a perennial troll. Template:MC can give you an idea of his history on the site, though it's outdated. (And it's impossible to put the whole of Special:Contributions/MarcusCicero in a template anyway.) The fact that he was elected as a Moderator is one of the multiple signs that the site is undergoing a silent crisis.--AndYourFoesShallRejoice... (talk) 20:35, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
Zero, you're new here so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't even know who the above people are, which should show you the extent with which the RWian propaganda machine has been a success. It reminds me of Mussolini's Italy. First of all, I was elected moderator on the abstentionist/abolitionist platform. I am firmly opposed to the existence of the institution and will continue to ignore it, and seek its abolition. I joined this website many years ago, with a simple message - tolerance. Tolerance towards people of differing points of view. At every turn I have been met with hatred, malice, and envy. However, I was beginning to change hearts and minds, so the powers that be laid claim to my account, fradulantly making posts on my behalf. They had hacked into my account and defamed me in an absolutely atrocious fashion. This is a truth they will do anything to prevent you learning of. But the truth must be known. They attempted to imprison me many times, at one time they sent me on a two year exile. My supporters helped me, and in the end I overcame this era in the wilderness. I'm back now, sword in hand, ready to speak truth to power. They have created an awesome propaganda machine, but truth and justice will always win against hate and tyranny. I hope and pray that you will join me in my crusade for liberty, and free Rationalwiki and restore it to its ancestral liberty. Freedom will reign here once again, as it did in the past! Marcus Cicero SPQR100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 22:25, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
And how. Marcus Cicero is RW's conscience. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 22:35, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Mop and bucket stuff.[edit]

When replying to an unsigned post, please take an extra second and slap the "unsigned" template onto said posy. Thanks! PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?.Moderator 14:20, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

What's the template again? Zero (talk) 14:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
It's ((subst:unsigned|IPAddressHere)), replace (()) with {{}}
There's a quick unsig template button on the lower half of the edit page to speed you up. Nullahnung (talk) 14:52, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll keep it in mind. — Unsigned, by: Zero / talk / contribs

You are not to blank the post of another user again.[edit]

Don't be a jack ass. Acei9 03:03, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

This isn't blanking. This is reverting a blanking. Zero (talk) 03:07, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
You numb-nuts, I'm talking about your block message. Acei9 03:08, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
Be more specific next time. It also looked from a cursory examination like it was somebody axing a post they didn't want to respond to. Zero (talk) 13:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
No. Acei9 20:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

A warning about Pibot talkpage archiving templates[edit]

Hello. In case you haven't noticed, there were some issues with your use of Template:Talkpage/Pibot, such as this one. First, the template parameters need to be on separate lines, otherwise the bot doesn't seem to read them correctly. Second, when copying the template, you should not forget to replace "Talk:Example" with the appropriate talk page name. Thank you.--ZooGuard (talk) 09:40, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I have. I've been keeping an eye on the mistakes and correcting them. Zero (talk) 05:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Something seems wrong[edit]

I am pretty sure that proposing an article for deletion shouldn't result in the deletion template spilling its guts on the proposed page. It looks like this is because for some reason you insist on using {{subst:afd}}, which at the moment is a redirect. I haven't looked at Wikipedia deletion templates for some time, but I think that in Wikipedia's case a two-twiered template system with subst-ing was used because of timestamps.--ZooGuard (talk) 18:51, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Mostly I ripped off the system associated with this. But yeah, subst probably isn't as grand as it was for the first, but I would like it to spill on 2 and 3 though. Zero (talk) 19:04, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
I have problems understanding your second sentence.--ZooGuard (talk) 19:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
In addition to long handed names, the templates are actually redirected from AFD, AFD2 and AFD3. The last two require subst since template would make things awfully messy.— Unsigned, by: Zero / talk / contribs
I fixed that bug, and another. Peter mqzp 08:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

A better way[edit]

Rather than manually adding pages to RationalWiki:Articles for deletion/Log you could make {{Afd2}} include a category, which could be used to automatically transclude the discussions into the main page with dpl. It would have the disadvantage, however, of removing the ability to watch the log page for new entries, but it would also make the system much simpler to use. Thoughts? Peter mqzp 09:50, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

That would kill one of the main reasons for having a centralized deletion page.
An even better way would be to use the features used in Template:Doc for creating a new template documentation page - it even supports pre-filling the new page with default content.--ZooGuard (talk) 09:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


It seems there were some OCR problems in text. For example, Prayer at the bottom is listed as Frayer. Hopper89 (talk) 18:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Anything else? Zero (talk) 13:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
"CIAIM FOR RELIEF" should be "CLAIM." And a space between the "libel" in "Complaint For Libel,Libel Per Se..." Hopper89 (talk) 16:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
The space was left out because in the complaint there is no space. This is supposed to be a straight copy with no corrections. Zero (talk) 16:38, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

I accept your challenge![edit]

We shall duel!--ZeroIsLogic (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

So you linked to a lolita fashion pic[edit]

And it's awesome, and I'm jealous. :) That is all. Wehpudicabok [話] [変] [留] 04:12, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

What can I say? When I want to be, I'm totally fabulous. Zero (talk) 13:02, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Huw Powell on FB[edit]

It's me, dude. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Re-adding inconclusive articles to AfD[edit]

So, I guess you can't do that? Brutal \m/ESSIAH 05:03, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

You have to justify the position. Just reading them with no addition to the discussion is worthless. Zero (talk) 05:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
So you mean that when I re-add it, I have to make it clear that I've re-added it, and for a reason? Brutal \m/ESSIAH 05:16, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I don't think that's what Zero was referring to. If a vote was inconclusive or keep, then presumably that's not going to change unless there's a significant shift in the editors and/or their views here. If there's some new piece of information that warrants reopening the question, then that could justify it, as you may actually change some people's minds (or draw more interest to the question). In the absence of either of those things, what's the point? You'll reopen the discussion and it will end inconclusively again. - Grant (talk) 06:13, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Good point. I'll just have to deal with it, then. Thanks for clearing that up. Brutal \m/ESSIAH 06:58, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Grant has explained it on the head. Zero (talk) 11:20, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

It's and its.[edit]

For Christ's sake, learn the difference. Father Vivian O'Blivion (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Monty Python's Flying Circus! Zero (talk) 15:10, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Misogyny page[edit]

Hello! I'm not a registered user, but I just wanted to remove hateful stuff slandering my faith (Judaism). While some stuff you wrote regarding ordination is true, nowhere in the Torah it says women were "property". I removed it, but you and moderators keep putting it back. Just to let you know. (talk) 21:05, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

There's a difference between "hate" and "just stating the truth". If you honestly think we are wrong, go to the talk page, cite your sources and convince us. We'll be happy to examine them when it doesn't look like a drive-by. Zero (talk) 23:34, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

A small thing[edit]

Section headings are in sentence case, not title case, excepting proper nouns. Father Vivian O'Blivion (talk) 13:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay then. I'm unlikely to remember this though. Zero (talk - contributions) 13:12, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


Continuing on from my talk page... are you sure two is bad, meaning Hollywood values should be changed by a wikignome also? ·FemiliskSJ 14:29, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Media doesn't make sense since that means more of the press whereas film is for fictional productions. Zero (talk - contributions) 17:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Still getting my head around stylistic rules and stuff! ·FemiliskSJ 17:55, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Sarkeesian article[edit]

Have you got any better way to add in the fact that her research is self-admittedly shallow and her conclusions were predetermined? Some of her videos are quite nice and call out genuine antiwoman prejudices in the games industry, but some of her really popular stuff, including the study she gets so much flak for, is just wrong. I mean, she called SR4 a sexist game ffs. >.> (talk) 15:19, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

No, she called out the first three games as sexist. The fourth game she rather left alone. If you honestly have some well sourced and accurate information to bring to the table, please do. Zero (talk - contributions) 15:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Alright, more accurately she called the series as a whole sexist. The first game was indeed, the second slightly less so. The third was less sexist and more just out-and-out oversexual, the fourth likewise. That and I admit to a personal bias against her because she has a tendency to slut-shame in some of her videos. (talk) 15:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Wait, slut shaming? Are you being serious? That hasn't come across in any video she has done. Zero (talk - contributions) 15:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, entirely. Check out Women as Background Decoration. A good portion of the video is basically "these women are sexualized and this is bad because I said so." There's also one video (whose name I can't recall at the moment, apologies) where she calls out several female protagonists, including Chelle, for being "bad role models," for no reason I've ever been able to divine. (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
That isn't slut shaming. It's shaming the writers/developers. Not even close to the same thing. And Chelle? Who is that? Zero (talk - contributions) 15:35, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
the protagonist of the Portal games, and despite being mute probably one of the strongest female role-models of the last console generation. And no, if she were addressing the writers and developers then it would be shaming them, which is unproductive in itself. What she does in her videos is address the topic of the NPCs directly. (talk) 15:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Chel? She's completely without personality! She isn't a character so much as an avatar for the player. The same thing with Gordon Freeman. John-117 was originally supposed to be this way but it was scraped past the first game and with the books. And honestly, if you can't figure out that you cannot possibly shame a character (they're pixels, they have no emotions) then something is clearly not getting through. Zero (talk - contributions) 15:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

It's Chell, damnit! Two L's! And I can't recall any video where she criticised the Chell character for anything. That would be as ridiculous as criticising Gordon Freeman, as Zero pointed out. Please provide a timestamp of a video as evidence if you want to say that. Nullahnung (talk) 15:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
My mistake. It's not like her name is spelled out in the game anywhere. Zero (talk - contributions) 15:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah, it's fine. I just found it funny how both of you were spelling it wrong in different ways. Nullahnung (talk) 16:10, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Reverting my edits to Template:Article for deletion discussion starter?[edit]

Hey, I was wondering why you'd reverted my edits to Template:Article for deletion discussion starter? It seems to me from the statement "Your signature will be added automatically." in Template:afd3 that that is what Af2 starter is meant to do?--The General talk to me 18:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

My mistake. I went through the docs and corrected myself. Zero (talk - contributions) 21:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Annoying pedantry alert[edit]

I looked at your blog thing. It's quite good; however, in the banner thing, it reads "geekdom at it's finest". I'm afraid that this is grammatically inaccurate and kind of makes me sad. Could you please change it to "its" if possible? Thanks brah. THE GREAT RIGHTEØUS DESTRØYER What is this that stands before me?Dolan.png 06:50, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

I think I've got the originals kicking around somewhere. I might do this. Zero (talk - contributions) 07:12, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Petalburg City Gym Leader[edit]


Your Hovind edit-comment ("And he's out!")? I really wanted that to mean something else. Alas! MarmotHead (talk) 19:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Shall we celebrate him being out then? Get another brew soon? Zero (talk - contributions) 20:02, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes! I'm gf free (for a week) and thus have a wide open schedule. Over the weekend? Maybe in Louisville? Details by email. MarmotHead (talk) 21:03, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Armoured Skeptic[edit]

Hello, I've started this discussion: RationalWiki:Saloon_bar#Armoured Skeptic. I thought you might want to contribute. Grim23 (talk) 17:18, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

The Emperor protects[edit]

Have you read The Last Church by Graham McNeill? There are some great quotes in there. Grim23 (talk) 17:56, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

I know the plot, but I haven't been able to find a copy of the book it comes from. Zero (talk - contributions) 18:49, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
It's from Tales of Heresy. Grim23 (talk) 19:50, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Armoured Skeptic[edit]

Why not document things properly, on AS page. The overview should be proportional and provide an overview. ~ Aneris 08:31, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Have you read thunderf00t's entry? Amazing Atheist? I'll trim it a bit, but its not uncommon to put some padding in. Zero (talk - contributions) 08:57, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Tech time![edit]

You're a tech! Don't break anything important.

The tech support page is at TECH.

If you happen to know JavaScript, it'd be great if you could edit MediaWiki:Gadget-HotArticleRate.js to use a combination of {{bronze}}/{{silver}}/{{gold}}+{{pri}} (both on mainpage) instead of {{bronze}}/{{silver}}/{{gold}}+{{rated}} (first on mainpage, second on the talkpage). The gadget isn't widely used, so it doesn't matter if you temporarily break it. Thanks!

Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 17:49, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Please clarify[edit]

Can you please edit your contribution "But considering Shives didn't even respond to him, this straw man is too obvious." to Armored Skeptic to be more clear. ClickerClock (talk) 11:40, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Finally using your fine work[edit]

Technical_support#Fun_with_MediaWiki.21_The_upgrade_.28sticky.29 and it is indeed making life easier - David Gerard (talk) 22:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)


What the actual fuck did you mean? This is a perfectly acceptable way of linking things.--JorisEnter (talk) 15:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

I strongly suspect he didn't respond because you're so aggressive in your compulsion to assert your way on things this utterly insignificant that you chase people to their talk pages to stomp your feet and swear at them. It's pathetic that you stewed on this and came back to revert him several days later rather than doing what most reasonable people would have done and said "you know what Assistant Professor Enter? Zero made a perfectly acceptable edit and I don't care that much anyway, like most adults. I'll leave this be and try imagining how my behaviour appears to normal adult human beings before I act like a crybaby or bully." Conscience (talk) 15:11, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
Troll--JorisEnter (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
I didn't respond because I've been on vacation for the past week. But tell me, why does having the y not being the link color matter that much? Not having the entire word be a link is just terrible web design. We look like armatures that way. Zero (talk - contributions) 22:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Eh, the y takes on the same colour as the rest of the link. See this.--JorisEnter (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

On anthropomorphism[edit]

Anthropomorphic means "which has the shape of a human", I believe you would use something like "metanthropic" or "anthropogenetic" to denote human origin — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

What's this about? Zero (talk - contributions) 21:46, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

"Bad Citation is bad and you should feel bad"[edit]


I see that you have reversed my edit on Luci Green, saying, "Bad Citation is bad and you should feel bad". Can you explain? You can see the quoted tweet here:

I have already discussed this edit with Worzelpete, CheeseburgerFace and Reverend Black Percy over here:

I understand that you guys are skeptical of new users, but if we just keep reversing edits, we aren't progressing. Thanks Rational1 (talk) 05:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

You've been nominated as a moderator[edit]

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 04:22, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Ikanreed is fiddling with the WIGO extension[edit]

User_talk:David_Gerard#So_testing_my_ideas_for_fixing_wigo_for_1.27 come on by - David Gerard (talk) 18:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)

New template for you[edit]

{{tech pledge}}. —Kazitor, pending 01:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)