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Welcome to your mother's basement! Here you can ask for autopatrolled, sysop rights, ninja rights, or tech rights.

Please include your reason for requesting the rights. For example, if requesting sysop rights, one could say: "I've been here for bloody ages and you fuckers forgot to give me sysop".

Please also {{ping|user's name}} a mod or tech — otherwise, nobody will respond.


Ninja: Penguinsfunnylolhaha

Hey I just like to remove red links and tidy up my user page. I was about to go on a massive Jihad against red links for various deleted pages but figured I should check if I can get these rights before shitting up the whole ass recent changes. Thanks A S E L A និយាយ 11:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request granted. Sally forth. Nutty Roux (talk) 12:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request

Please add +Sysop, +Staff, +Ninja, and +Autopatrolled to this account. Remove corresponding rights from User:D when done. Thanks. Judge Dredd (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

1) This is the wrong place to request rights. 2) We don't hand out and steal rights like candy. Bongolian (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
The sheer idiocy of that statement makes me suspect that you aren't paying attention. 1) This is RationalWiki:Requests for user rights, 2) I'm asking for my userrights to be transferred, it's not rocket science. Judge Dredd (talk) 17:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Insulting the mods is an excellent way to get what you want. Making friends and influencing people! Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 17:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
It's true that I was distracted though. Bongolian (talk) 17:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
If any of the mods were my friends, I wouldn't have to ask on this admin noticeboard mate. Judge Dredd (talk) 19:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
All I can add is sysop and autopatrolled. The rest you're gonna have to annoy somebody else for. Oxyaena Harass 19:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Reinstated staff (it's a pure vanity role and only grants edit access to the MW namespace). I'm hesitant to reinstate ninja, given the coop incident, which makes me wary of giving Dredd/Dysk the option to somewhat obscure his actions. Another tech can do that if they want. Removed all rights from User:D. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree, it would be inadvisable to give Ninja to D's socks given what has transpired. @Ace McWicked, RWRW, Scream!!, and Spud I fail to see the point of yet another sock from D unless it is more of throwing people off the trail. Bongolian (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Agree. AceModerator 02:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Well, there's no sockpuppetry as such going on. We know who this user is (as much as we ever know who anybody is). We're just seeing the consequences of another hasty LANCB and a forgotten password. But, yeah. I'd agree that's enough rights for now. No ninja. Spud (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Alrightly thanks mate. I can't personally see why Ninja is sensitive now for me to lose that right, but I can ask a tech for a bot flag later. @Bongolian Tsk tsk, another sock implies that I previously used more than one account... to which I say, Proof? Judge Dredd (talk) 10:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
You've got a lot of gall asking me for proof, when 1) you've had a number of socks documented on WP during that dramafest and 2) You're well-aware that the only way that I could provide solid proof on RW without your cooperation would be to commit the same offense for which you're likely to lose tech status. Bongolian (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Don't accuse people of shite you don't already have evidence for mate. As you are a Mod it could lead to inaccurate decisions, yadda yadda yah. Actually you are right I do have old accounts floating around here, but that's besides the point when I'm making a simple request in regards to my main, and you bring up spurious and unfounded allegations, regarding what I do not know. I suppose as you have no evidence you ain't gonna know either.

I actually did have reasonable — but not absolute — proof, but I didn't trust the source. Bongolian (talk) 02:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Now I've covered that, I did previously have the +Ninja user-right, which I never misused, nor do I see any clear way it could be misused. I would appreciate this user-right being reinstated in the absence of any formal vote on the matter. Of course if y'all wish, I can bring up an ATIM vote on the subject. Judge Dredd (talk) 14:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not giving out Ninja because it allows you to role yourself as a bot. The thing is, bot edits are hidden from most users by default (standard way RecentChanges is for most users, although it does show on people's Watchlists), which reduces the amount of oversight an edit will immediately have. This is fine when you're just doing Category tagging or other maintenance stuff that generates a lot of edits (cleaning up sysop-locked double redirects was what resulted in me asking for Ninja after forgetting to ask it at first). Unless you can demonstrate a specific need for the role, I'm kinda wary to hand it out, especially given the fact you've done an impulsive decision before with rather disastrous consequences before, which bot would make easier to hide, had you enabled it. Also, we don't need an ATIM or coop vote on this. This role isn't like sysop in that we hand it out to everyone and their mother because we want to all be equal to some extent/have protection against people blocking established editors. It's a role meant for janitorial duties, which honestly unless you can give me a reason that you need it (I haven't heard any yet, nor do your recent edits indicate much of a need for it), therefore I'm not too willing to give it out. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 10:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
I had the Ninja user-right, and I'm still very much unconvinced by your argument, explaining why you took it away. You unilaterally removed the user-right, thus I'm still entitled to bring the matter to the mob if necessary, since the CS' don't grant individual users that power.
You mention use case, well I do periodically fix shite here, what can I say? User-rights rarely have purpose on a continuous basis, rather on an occasional basis. I had planned to mass-message old guard users asking them if they were interested in returning, which is what I originally made this bot account for... I got distracted by a drama.
Regarding trust, well I have staff, and sysop... In a hypothetical scenario where I wanted to hide my actions, I could theoretically edit the site interface directly, making my edits invisible with display:none and do whatever I wanted. It would be invisible in every log, recent changes, and my own contributions page... far more efficient than a bot flag.
Contrary to popular belief I'm not interested in breaking this site. I have had plenty of opportunity to do so, as you and many others do, particularly the inactive Techs such as Kazitor, and so forth. So if you please? Judge Dredd (talk) 12:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Like I said before, I'm not doing it. Get someone else to do it. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 15:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Sysop: Electros

@Sirius I've been here for long enough and I have the number of edits that were requested by Hastur. Plus some wandals are wandalising and I want to get them to stop. ElectrosPardon? 23:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Granted, Mike's temper tantrums are getting annoying. Rockford the Roe (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, I was asleep. Seems Rockford sysoped you already. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 08:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
No worries. ElectrosPardon? 15:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Sysop: Iwillprobablygetbanned

@CircularReasoning I‘ve been here for a while. Can I become Sysop? I would change my name as well. Iwillprobablygetbanned (Reply) 16:18, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Iwillprobablygetbanned I'll do it for them. ElectrosPardon? 16:28, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
@Electros Thanks! Iwillprobablygetbanned (Reply) 16:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Tech: Rockford the Roe

Heyo, I'd like to get tech so I can rename Mr. Poot's accounts since Special:RecentChanges has become probably the most vulgar page on the site. I have some basic knowledge of HTML/CSS/JS and I'm pretty confident in my Google-fu skills if there's something I don't know. Rockford the Roe (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements

  • I am willing to formally vouch for Rockford as a decent enough tech candidate. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 11:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Anti-endorsements

Goat

  • Hmm... guess I could use some assistance in renaming all those foul accounts... --Goatspeed. Stalk meCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I've been messing around with 19:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    I should probably help you out a bit more when I see them. Is there a faster way than copy-paste of the name? Also we should disallow emojis and those strange characters in the username in the first place. Doesn't really do anything for us to get rid of, in fact it makes it super obvious the name should be blocked before they even vandalize anything, but it'd be nice to know the vandals are extra-frustrated in creating names...CoryUsar (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    @CorruptUser What I usually do when going on renaming sprees is I go to their contribs link, and then the "rename user" option at the top of the specialpage (the last option in a tech/mod's POV)- and then change their foul username, usually to some awesome one-liner. --Goatspeed. Stalk meCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I've been messing around with 19:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
    Oh, and ditto on the strange characters (usually either lame accent mark/dot/chandrabindu/tilde stacking tricks or random characters from Akkadian, a long-dead but also kind of cool language spoken in ancient Sumeria that is distantly related to Hebrew, Arabic, and Syriac.) --Goatspeed. Stalk meCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I've been messing around with 19:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Rearranged the section a bit. Cast your votes, I vouch. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 11:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

  • Are you familiar with past issues of abuse by techs that resulted in the loss of tech status? Bongolian (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Votes

Yea

  1. Per my own endorsement. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 11:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
  2. Aye. Oxyaena Harass 19:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Nay

Goat

  • This is not to say Rockford wouldn't be a good tech (and if anything methinks we need more people with renaming privileges to assist us overwhelmed mods and to replace the recently promoted Oxy and JD and possibly LANCB'd Duce), but more resumé is needed; we must remember the skill set every good tech must have. The reason why I ran for moderator instead of applying for tech is because I'm of a more simple user type. How good is he at pywiki coding? Can he provide good advice on the tech noticeboard? And also, he'd need to be more active. --Goatspeed. Stalk meCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I've been messing around with 19:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Pywikibot skills are completely irrelevant for tech (as is Python knowledge in general). I ran Inferno before becoming a tech (if you look at the logs, Ze/EK gave Inferno bot rights) and nobody but me has access to it. The only skillset required is a willingness to look up how to mod the interface if requested (MediaWikis official project manual namespace is... less than helpful at times for showing the correct interface page you need), basic HTML/CSS skills (I'd go as far to say JS is optional, but it is welcome) and a willingness to learn to understand how to use the AbuseFilter syntax. Basically, you need to be willing to go and look at how MW works under the hood and be active enough to respond to relevant requests. That said, in practice, from my experience the role is mostly renaming users, handing out shit like ninja (allows users to self-grant the bot role when doing maintenance work without clogging up RC), watching the username creation log for common patterns of vandals to add to the AbuseFilter and the occasional interface page protection. Besides that, this is probably the role on the wiki with the least appreciation for shenanigans. Shenanigans as a sysop, the community can put up with and tolerate if you say sorry and apologize for it. Abuse any of the rights you have as a tech, and you can be looking at sysoprevoke at the bare minimum. Being a tech means in essence being a community role model without the ability to exert more power than a regular editor when things get out of hand. Every move you do with the rights it grants has to be justifiable towards every single editor, no exceptions (and this includes acting out of frustration or other emotions). Mods are a bit more freeform in how they approach this stuff, techs are not freeform in their rights at all. They can only use them insofar as the CS permits it. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    The main shenanigan that we know about is being able to to the functional equivalent of checkuser. It is the reason why there were two demotions, and is how we got to this point where there's a vote on tech. That said, there needs to be more than technical expertise to be tech, in particular there needs to be a level of community trust for techs. It's more important that a tech know their own limitations and be conscious enough not to exceed them than to have technical knowledge about every tool. It's also more important to have community trust. Bongolian (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
  • I remember one of a big reason I ran for moderator is so I can rename things and without getting tech privileges (as I don't want to have tech rights without knowing how to use them to their fullest extent). If there's a way to get rename rights without the rest of the tech tools, I hope we can establish this. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    @LeftyGreenMario Huzzah! You're back! --Goatspeed. Stalk meCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I've been messing around with 21:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    LGM, honestly, I think you're more than capable if you'd want to be a tech based on your record. You seem to know the needed skills looking at your userpage/talkpage and the rest is easy enough to pick up on as you go. That said, if you want to run, please do read my other comment. Specifically about shenanigans. Sirius (dog star / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 21:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    I'm sure you know I was there to witness tech abuses in the past. I remember tech trying to use a loophole as a sort of pseudocheck user and not really disclosing those methods as well as a tech trying to delete and suppress the chicken coop when under pressure. Got voted out of board for that (three votes out of three people present in the board meeting). But anyhow I did one time briefly went as tech when I was moderator just to check on what tools I could use or whatnot (I think I wanted to do string replacements for multiple articles, e.g change "Category:Insufferable assholes" to "" and tried to be tech just so if I could find extra special pages for those) and then just removed tech status when I was done checking and didn't find it. Anyway, this is my comment, but this isn't my tech application, but just so you know in case I do want rename rights or something. That being said, if there's a way I can get rename and without having to feel like I'm responsible for a lot tech powers I won't use and am hesitant to try to use, I can settle for that.
    Also, hello CircularReasoning. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 23:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
    Just an uneducated guess, but I'd assume giving renaming rights to people who aren't techs or mods would require a creation of another user rights group. Which probably means it requires root access. So DG and Trent would be only ones (at the moment) who could make it possible. Other than that it shouldn't be impossible. If you can give certain privileges to two distinct user groups, you should be able to give them to others as well. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 00:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)