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Tech: Nutty Roux (approved)

As per the community standards tech user rights can be requested from the Operations Manager or other sys admins of the RatioanlWiki website. This page can be used to request tech users rights by users.

Hi I'd like to be a tech I know how to right computer progrums and I like lookung at the internets free of trolls. And I'm alright with regular expressions. The capslock key on all my computers is mapped to control. I write my legal briefs in vim with LaTex. I replaced opiates with World of Warcraft. I run a Hackintosh. I make ASCII art, mostly penises. Etc. 04:07, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

You use VIM? Wow. I will still hook you up but the price just doubled. Tmtoulouse (talk) 21:34, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Goddamm right I do. 00:05, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

A LAWYER WHO CAN WORK A COMPUTER. He might destroy the WORLD if we're not careful. Obviously an excellent candidate - David Gerard (talk) 01:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Tech: Inquisitor Ehrenstein (approved, then removed)

I would like to be a tech to help contribute to Rational Wiki. I have intermediate PHP scripting skills, and I'm working on improving that as well as looking to learn Javascript soon. I also have good CSS and HTML skills. I'm also good with connecting things and coming up with solutions that require creativity. I've assisted with managing websites for organizations IRL, one minor example of which is the Sturmkrieg Administration Committee, which I am the primary sysadmin for. I have skills with eunuchs file systems. I set up and manage a VPS server and have three years of server side experience with MediaWiki. I have a basic understanding of MySQL commands, though I find them easy to learn and I can use MySQL from the command line though I prefer PHPmyAdmin. I also set up and run Linux on a personal computer. My Mac terminal also looks like the Fallout 3 terminal. I also have experience with Vim and Nano, Vim being my primary command line text editor. I manage the Sturmkrieg server completely from the command line without a control panel (I blame most webhosting control panels for the monumentally stupid security compromising extensions that people make) and also because I prefer SSH to SFTP. I've also worked on several extensions (nothing major) mainly as practice and have a few works in progress. The skin that Sturmkrieg uses is separate from Vector and designed by myself. I also have an interest in learning new skills and solutions. I'm also working on contributing to the source code of MediaWiki. More specifically, I'm working on giving greater flexibility of user input to maintenance scripts. –Александр(а) (Talk | Contribs | Ragebox) 08:59, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Given that this guy is involved in a few interpersonal conflicts with other users, and his general tendency towards Manichean crusades, I don't think it's a good idea.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:24, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Eh, it's not a position of responsibility that's easy to get very far abusing. Trent and David are the gatekeepers. But the bigger point is that the tech role is absolutely limited to on-wiki stuff - it's mostly about the MW space. Anyway, Trent or David will see this. 14:31, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm also dropping the problems I have and working on understanding other people's points. Plus when I get serious responsibility I get serious about it. For example, when dealing people on Sturmkrieg who were cyberbullying my friends. I could have brought down exterminatus on them, but I stayed professional. Privileged information stays confidential. –Александр(а) (Talk | Contribs | Ragebox) 17:18, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

If it's all on wiki stuff, than I don't see it being an issue. I'm not going to do stupid stuff like vandalize user CSS pages, which would obviously be abuse. –Александр(а) (Talk | Contribs | Ragebox) 17:44, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

"Sturmkrieg" and your bigotry tracking stuff really put a lot of people off and they ready have problems with your behavior on RW. Techs don't have authority to "exterminate" users. God that's creepy. Just FYI. 18:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

To clarify, I'm not talking about "exterminating" anyone. Exterminatus is when when a planet is firebombed and nerdspeak for blowing the frak out of sth or going ape in some way. Sturmkrieg is not associated with my own personal projects. –Александр(а) (Talk | Contribs | Ragebox) 22:29, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

AS a volunteer based project people stepping forward and wanting to help is always appreciated. There are multiple projects going on right now on the technical end of things that require various levels of expertise/access. My job is to facilitate volunteers towards projects that need doing and that they can and want to work on, and providing the tools needed to accomplish those jobs. Before turning any tools over, whether on wiki or other places, I like to have an idea of what role and what you want to work on. Are there particular ideas you have that you want to implement, or are you just looking to help out where we need it? If the former can you provide some details, if the latter we should communicate via e-mail about what needs work and see what would be a good fit. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:21, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

One thing I'm interested in is working on new MediaWiki Vector skins. Not to set as the default skin, but maybe something to include as options. We could change the default skin if users thought that one of the other ones was better, but I'm not going to advocate for it. I could handle some of the technical stuff for users on the wiki such as user name changes or system message changes. For example, I could work on setting the design settings of templates on the skin CSS pages so that templates can have a specific appearance for each skin. It's not much of an issue with standard MW skins that are included, but it would be good if we have skins in different colors. If there's any other jobs I'm open. –Александр(а) (Talk | Contribs | Ragebox) 00:08, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

If your primary interest is in working on site then the tech user group is reasonable. I don't believe we have a set tech guide written yet, something to add to my to-do list. But in general anything that is not a bug fix or that will alter the aesthitics or feel of the site should go through a community approval process. Anything that edits the common files should be extensively debugged before implementing live. The tech user rights containts many of the rights of the moderator position but those rights should never be used out side of their need to fix techinical issues on wiki. And thanks for your offer to help!. Tmtoulouse (talk) 16:14, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

Tech: Zero (approved)

I'm a software developer by trade with a desire to help with filters and possibly bots. I throw myself to the wolves for consideration. Zero (talk) 18:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Belatedly approved in March 2016. Cømяade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 00:56, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

Ninja:Readymade (Withdrawn)

I've discovered there's a repetitive job that needs doing, which will flood recent changes all evening-adding Category:Talk pages for deleted articles to shedloads of articles that failed the AfD. I'd write a bot but I never past Hello World I'm afraid. @DiamondDisc1 Wilder^Bicycle 16:21, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Readymade It's "passed" not "past". ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:23, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I was aiming for "got past." Do I get extra marks for being wrong in two different ways? Wilder^Bicycle 16:27, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

If you're not technically skilled, it's best not to venture into writing a bot. What Ninja can do for you however is allow you to turn your "Bot" permission on, then manually make the repetitive changes that you want to make, then turn your Bot permission off and go back to normal editing. Bongolian (talk) 19:31, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

What? i just said i wasn't writing a bot because I'm not technically skilled. Wilder^Bicycle 19:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

I didn't understand your sentence: poor grammar. Bongolian (talk) 19:52, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

OK fuck it, do the fucking job yourselves. Wilder^Bicycle 19:58, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Huh? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:22, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@Readymade Make the bot first, then ask for ninja. :)-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 05:40, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: K0rnsbl0d (Done)

Been making a bunch of edits to clean up the wiki, so have I earned my way to sysop? I'm here to be cleanup crew and show you how it's done. K0rnsbl0d^{Let the galaxy burn!"Kill!Maim!Burn!"} 20:14, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

@K0rnsbl0d Done. Cruise Control ^Manual! 22:40, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: Right-wing RationalWiki (Withdrawn)

I've been her for a year and I haven't destroyed anything. Contrary to popular belief I'm not actually plotting to block all the liberals here, just most of them . --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 14:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

I think we've done this before, with rather predictable results. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 14:56, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

"Even those who oppose mainstream RW ideas are — and should be — given sysop, as we encourage constructive dialogue", - RationalWiki Sysop policy page. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 15:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Given that, by your own admission you only want SysOp privileges so you can stage a Coup d'état against anyone who dosen't toe your line in the sand and kiss your ass, I think we can safely rule out constructive dialog as a motive for your request. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 15:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

1 single Sysop could never pull off a Coup, and I wouldn't be foolish enough to try it since it. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 15:31, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Not only is it possible, but it's disturbingly easy to pull off. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 15:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Then you have my word that I won't attempt it. Besides its well known that I wish to take control of this Wiki through democratic means, i.e the next moderator elections. I have no interest in becoming a dictator or tyrant. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie: I'm inclined to agree with RWRW. One sysop can't overthrow everyone else, especially given the fact that sysops can't take away mod and tech rights, and that most users have a spare sock lying around. Remember how well FAMAS's coup went? That's what happens when one sysop steps out of line. I say he should be demoted. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Off-topic, but do most users really have a spare sock lying around!? :O}0 --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:27, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario I may or may not have a spare sock lying around somewhere. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 18:48, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Oh, well, I do have a meat puppet, being my sister BabyLuigiOnFire. *wink* --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:15, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes

1. Has earned my...well, I wouldn't say trust, but he has at least demonstrated that he's not going to burn the wiki to the ground overnight. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:54, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
2. But only if he changes his name. Ariel31459 (talk) 02:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
3. If they start blocking everyone immediately, lose it. But otherwise, what's the harm? They've already been given autopatrolled, so it wouldn't make anything harder to spot. —Kazitor, ^pending 05:57, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

   For the record, I don't agree with the auto-patrolled either. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:25, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

   So the request has been withdrawn and the discussion should be over, yet you seem to want to kick someone (me) while their down? Charming. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 19:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

   It's no surprise, @Right-wing RationalWiki, that you're thin-skinnned just like your hero. Give this up and move on: either make some sane edits or leave. You're not doing yourself any favors. Bongolian (talk) 19:59, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

   I have been making sane edits, yet you all used your personal dislike for me to discredit me and sabotage my user rights request. Besides I tried to 'move on' but people like you and LeftyGreenMario keep opening old wounds. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 20:03, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

   Also of note, RWRW's tantrum indicates he's either trolling or doesn't understand how RW works (despite being here for a year). RW is a mobocracy, not a democracy. Any Sysop can make someone else a Sysop unless they've been previously permabanned, but it's generally up to do mob to override such decisions when they turn out to be excessively disruptive (the Chicken Coop). Bongolian (talk) 19:40, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

# For my reasons that are stated above (if I am indeed allowed to vote for myself). --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

No

1. I don't know what this account is for, it smells like a parody account who likes to draw attention to himself and the users generally play along. I don't generally think parody accounts should get powers, and if the owner of the parody account wants power, then I think he should just create a serious one. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 18:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
2. I don't trust RWRW, as if that wasn't obvious enough. Part of that distrust stems from the fact that RWRW has repeatedly expressed a desire to turn RantionWiki into a Conservapedia clone, and part from certain edits that look suspiciously like trolling. If I had made Tankie style edits defending Stalin when I first signed up, even in jest, it is highly unlikely that I would have been viewed favorably. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 18:46, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

   Out of curiosity, what exactly do you naysayers think will happen if I get Sysop rights? --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

   Not much because anything bad you do is easily fixed. I just doubt that you deserve or need sysop rights though. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:08, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

   Then if you acknowledge that I won't cause any lasting damage, surely that means your opposes are based off personal dislikes for me rather than what's best for the wiki. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 19:21, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

   Don't misrepresent my arguments and don't call me Shirley. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:25, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

3. He's obviously a parodist and, personally, I don't find the joke of people pretending to have political opinions very different from their own funny anymore. It may have been how Stephen Colbert built an entire career but online it just makes you look like a troll. What I don't want to do now is set a precedent for giving sysop rights to someone who has said that their sole purpose here is to cause trouble. The next user that says that might be the new F.A. who really means it. I think RWRW has been like The Boy Who Cried Wolf and only has himself to blame for people not trusting him. He is, however, obviously capable of making some good quality edits to articles. My advice to him would be to ditch the Right-wing RationalWiki persona and start again with a new account. Then he could be made a sysop in a few days, like nearly everyone else. Spud (talk) 01:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
4. Well put, Spud. Bongolian (talk) 01:39, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
5. Per Spud. /spɻɪgi:nə/ (/tɑ:k/) (/kɑntʃrɪbju:ʃʊnz/) @ 01:44, 12 June 2018 (UTC)
6. Hell no.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3  (talk • stalk) 03:49, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Goat

1. I'm of mixed minds on this. RWRW has a point regarding Sysop policy, but RWRW has also not been autopatrolled after 1 year: so much for the coup possibilities. Where are his socks rising to his defence? On the other hand, RWRW's edits are rather narrow. Troll potential is high, and if RWRW is not a troll, they don't know the difference between authoritarianism and conservativism. Bongolian (talk) 18:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
2. I just got back from vacation and decided to check this out, personally I feel mixed about this. I understand the Sysop policy but always had a suspicion against those who request for the position unless they have some valid reasons. While I was made Sysop though I never requested it officially (I'm actually surprised that Christopher actually made me one just because I had the "I would like to be a Sysop" on my userbox) I have behaved myself and made sure not to deal with anything I had no idea about (though I have been given some advice on how to handle some stuff, thx guys.) So I'm on the fence with this. Untill I hear a valid reason I wont say yes or no.Rimuru Da Ninja 02:10, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Tech: Palaeonictis

I meet all of the requirements:

I have technical expertise, I have some knowledge of PHP, and most importantly, I definitely DO know how to google, unlike some people. I've also been on this wiki for years, and have contributed substantially to many articles relating to evolution and religion.--Palaeonictis (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

I see no reason why not. @LeftyGreenMario @Bongolian. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:37, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

OK, done. @Palaeonictis Bongolian (talk) 21:05, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Ninja: DuceMoosolini

I just pooped up the Recent Changes by adding links to Iran-Iraq War. This is not the first time I have done such a thing. May I have Ninja rights? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:07, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

OK, done! Bongolian (talk) 19:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:22, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: Tabula Rasa/ Doublethink (Done)

@RWRW I request the restoration of my sysop rights. I promise to use the talk page before editing and not edit the social justice article. Tabula Rasa (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

@Tabula Rasa I have had quite a hectic few days so I haven't really checked RationalWiki as much as usual. Before restoring your Mop, I intend on thoroughly reading through the Coop discussion that recently took place. I have some stuff to do this morning so I will get back to you in a few hours. --RWRW (talk) 07:49, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

It's only been a couple of days since the Coop case. I'd say that you need to wait at least a couple of weeks. It won't hurt. Bongolian (talk) 07:55, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Yeah the timing isn't great, though its worth remembering that I was made a Sysop shortly after being denied it by the community. I have now looked over the Coop discussion. @Tabula Rasa hypothetically speaking, if you were given the Mop would you pledge to never edit war and to never permaban IPs? --RWRW (talk) 09:02, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I do pledge that. Tabula Rasa (talk) 16:20, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

You aren't permanently barred from being demoted, but I'd give it another week or two before putting your foot in the door again. It's all a matter of timing, and while I would personally vouch for you, I`m not sure others would be so keen on demoting you so quickly after you got promoted. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 16:25, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

• Personally, I think you should be re-mopped today. However, I appreciate that other members of the community may not share that view. I won’t demote you just yet, but I will do so by early January. I will also remove you from the ‘Sysoprevoke’ bin now, so any other admin can give you back the tools in the next couple of weeks if they see fit. --RWRW (talk) 17:10, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Understood, I will be continuing to work over winter break. Tabula Rasa (talk) 17:17, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I don't have any objection to the sysoping of Tabula Rasa, given that they have been a sysop before and haven't totally bungled everything up. although simply renaming their account would have been easier than creating a new one. Just saying. — Dysk (contribs) 17:41, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, but I don't know how to do that. I would have if I had known how to, I should have asked. Tabula Rasa (talk) 17:47, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I should probably add a helpful note somewhere, because it isn't possible to rename your own account, only to ask a tech/mod to do it. — Dysk (contribs) 17:51, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I've reconsidered my position, I advocate for the reinstatement of Tabula's sysop rights. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 18:21, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

That was my gut feeling, but I went against it believing it would open a can of worms. I’d happily endorse another Sysop restoring his rights, or do it myself myself if I made a mistake in assuming the community’s position. —RWRW (talk) 18:32, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

I also don't see a reason not to restore sysop. DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 18:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

So I`m guessing the consensus is to reinstate sysop rights? Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

You can go ahead and do it. RWRW and I will probably be the ones taking the heat if the community is pissed. DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 18:46, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Done. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 18:48, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, I promise not to disappoint everyone . Tabula Rasa (talk) 19:15, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Request to restore Tech role

I'm asking to be re-teched. I was appointed to Tech some time ago when my username was EK, and over the last year did various site maintenance stuff, such as maintaining the mediawiki name space, writing edit filter things, site election related work, sitenotice edits, etc. A week ago I quit the site over an editorial dispute, at the time it was intended to be permanent and I asked for my roles to be removed, which was done. Various people here subsequently convinced me to return, which I did two days ago and asked @RWRW to restore my roles, which he did. I was subsequently removed from Tech by @Bongolian who told me on me the Saloon Bar that I was required to post a request here as a "formality" before I could have the Tech role restored again, so here I am. — Z 02:31, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

No (1) part of a cabal who does all kinds of wiki stuff off-wiki in one or more discord channels and doesn't communicate any of this on the wiki. Scratch that, there is no cabal. (2) instability and drama and making LANCB a joke. Scratch that, too. EK made good contributions to the wiki's health in the past and is a good tech who uses the tools appropriately and does not abuse them. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 02:51, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Done. Thank you for your cooperation. Bongolian (talk) 02:54, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

thank you! — Z 03:11, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

@RWRW Mind undoing your latest "preemptive strike"? Consider me the messenger. — Dysk (contribs) 02:17, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I've seen nobody really object to Ze getting tech back so sure. --RWRW (talk) 17:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, it's really unfair to punish someone because of their sibling's behavior. Bongolian (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Autopatrolled: Kiko4564

@LeftyGreenMario I've been here a while, and no one gave me autopatrolled yet. As I haven't done anything majorly wrong, is there any chance that I can be demoted please? Kiko4564 (talk) 22:35, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, sure, why not. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Sysop: Kiko4564

@Nutty Roux I've been here a while, and no one remembered to make me a sysop yet. As I haven't done anything majorly wrong, beyond a bit of petty vandalism, is there any chance that I can be demoted please? Kiko4564 (talk) 21:17, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

you can have auto patrol. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 21:25, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. :) Kiko4564 (talk) 21:28, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Tech: The Crow

We need more techs. We lost three in the past few months. I nominate myself. Requisite skills I have:

• I know how to use HTML/CSS.
• I know, but really don't like JavaScript and PHP since I believe they're fundamentally flawed languages.
• I've been using MediaWiki on and off for about 7 years for personal sites.
• The Edit Filter is simply regex, I know how to regex, and in doubt I can pull up regex101.
• I have Google-fu, and did recently do research on Echo (the notification system).

I promise hereby to also not wield my power in any way that would run contrary to that of the mob, nor will I parade around with my power as if I were a moderator. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 22:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I endorse you for what it's worth, but we recently went over the fact that the rules explicit state Trent, and I guess Gerard, create techs. This vote is a nullity. Having votes for techs has been raised and rejected multiple times. Nutty Roux (talk) 18:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Please reference our current CS, as well as a fairly long voting and suggestion period about these things (and David approved the changes). The rules don't explicitly state it's just Trent or Gerard, given that the only techs who were instated by Trent or Gerard were you and Bertran, and Bertran isn't active as far as I can tell. In the light of both not having to bother mostly inactive users as well as to prevent them from becoming a cabal, I proposed that new process for appointing techs and it was generally lauded. Unless the RMF bylaws say anything about techs (and a quick glance at the wiki page on them suggests no such thing), as far as I'm aware, the rules in general sense reflect the process that we underwent here (mostly, technically the vote is open for 2 weeks as per process, but unless a bunch of ppl suddenly vote against me, I doubt it'd change the outcome). Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 18:34, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

I didn't see that part get tacked on. Wow, that's a dumb rule now. Carry on. Nutty Roux (talk) 18:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

It's less than ideal in a few ways, but techs have the sort of control-the-horizontal-and-vertical that sysops do on lesser wikis. And I'm actively doing my best to be as absentee as is feasible. So having non-idiots endorsed as non-idiots by the Mob (praise be) at least minimises my presentness - David Gerard (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Endorsement

Any tech/mod/Operations Manager can endorse me. Please leave your signature below if you do.

• I endorse Crow for tech. He's well trusted, knows what he's doing (as seen in his statement, and his creation of a pretty useful bot). And in my opinion we could use a couple more techs. --RWRW (talk) 22:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Votes

Tech

1. Doesn't seem to be a bad idea...-Flandres (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
2. Don't delete and suppress the Saloon Bar, okay? 🥜🥜🥜🥜 --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

   I have no intentions to do so. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 22:10, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

3. Why does this even need a vote? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:11, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

   To prevent someone incapable getting promoted to tech. We voted on this (and ironically this was also my proposal). Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 22:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

   100% forgot about that. Oh well, you won the vote. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:14, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

4. Seems reasonable. Bongolian (talk) 22:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
5. He promised to add a dancing baby gif to the sitenotice-Hastur! (talk) 23:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

   I promised no such thing. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 23:09, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

   It was heavily implied by my projection in this comment. You're not gonna renege on me are you?-Hastur! (talk) 23:12, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

   So now people are required to dance to Hastur's mental projections? Bongolian (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

   I knew he was busy so I decided to do him a favor and promise a dancing baby gif on his behalf-Hastur! (talk) 00:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

6. Endorse. — Dysk (contribs) 02:16, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
7. Sure. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 02:21, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
8. Better than me. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
9. Clearly one of the most sensible and level-headed users around at the moment. Fully endorse. Spud (talk) 23:44, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Goat

• Baah.

Ninja: Penguinsfunnylolhaha

Hey I just like to remove red links and tidy up my user page. I was about to go on a massive Jihad against red links for various deleted pages but figured I should check if I can get these rights before shitting up the whole ass recent changes. Thanks 💙 ASELA^ཊལྐ 💙 11:15, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request granted. Sally forth. Nutty Roux (talk) 12:21, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Request

Please add +Sysop, +Staff, +Ninja, and +Autopatrolled to this account. Remove corresponding rights from User:D when done. Thanks. Judge Dredd (talk) 09:57, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

1) This is the wrong place to request rights. 2) We don't hand out and steal rights like candy. Bongolian (talk) 16:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

The sheer idiocy of that statement makes me suspect that you aren't paying attention. 1) This is RationalWiki:Requests for user rights, 2) I'm asking for my userrights to be transferred, it's not rocket science. Judge Dredd (talk) 17:42, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Insulting the mods is an excellent way to get what you want. Making friends and influencing people! Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 17:44, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

It's true that I was distracted though. Bongolian (talk) 17:48, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

If any of the mods were my friends, I wouldn't have to ask on this admin noticeboard mate. Judge Dredd (talk) 19:47, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

All I can add is sysop and autopatrolled. The rest you're gonna have to annoy somebody else for. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:58, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Reinstated staff (it's a pure vanity role and only grants edit access to the MW namespace). I'm hesitant to reinstate ninja, given the coop incident, which makes me wary of giving Dredd/Dysk the option to somewhat obscure his actions. Another tech can do that if they want. Removed all rights from User:D. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 20:02, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

I agree, it would be inadvisable to give Ninja to D's socks given what has transpired. @Ace McWicked, RWRW, Scream!!, and Spud I fail to see the point of yet another sock from D unless it is more of throwing people off the trail. Bongolian (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Agree. Ace^Moderator 02:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, there's no sockpuppetry as such going on. We know who this user is (as much as we ever know who anybody is). We're just seeing the consequences of another hasty LANCB and a forgotten password. But, yeah. I'd agree that's enough rights for now. No ninja. Spud (talk) 05:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Alrightly thanks mate. I can't personally see why Ninja is sensitive now for me to lose that right, but I can ask a tech for a bot flag later. @Bongolian Tsk tsk, another sock implies that I previously used more than one account... to which I say, Proof? Judge Dredd (talk) 10:23, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

You've got a lot of gall asking me for proof, when 1) you've had a number of socks documented on WP during that dramafest and 2) You're well-aware that the only way that I could provide solid proof on RW without your cooperation would be to commit the same offense for which you're likely to lose tech status. Bongolian (talk) 03:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Don't accuse people of shite you don't already have evidence for mate. As you are a Mod it could lead to inaccurate decisions, yadda yadda yah. Actually you are right I do have old accounts floating around here, but that's besides the point when I'm making a simple request in regards to my main, and you bring up spurious and unfounded allegations, regarding what I do not know. I suppose as you have no evidence you ain't gonna know either.

I actually did have reasonable — but not absolute — proof, but I didn't trust the source. Bongolian (talk) 02:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Now I've covered that, I did previously have the +Ninja user-right, which I never misused, nor do I see any clear way it could be misused. I would appreciate this user-right being reinstated in the absence of any formal vote on the matter. Of course if y'all wish, I can bring up an ATIM vote on the subject. Judge Dredd (talk) 14:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not giving out Ninja because it allows you to role yourself as a bot. The thing is, bot edits are hidden from most users by default (standard way RecentChanges is for most users, although it does show on people's Watchlists), which reduces the amount of oversight an edit will immediately have. This is fine when you're just doing Category tagging or other maintenance stuff that generates a lot of edits (cleaning up sysop-locked double redirects was what resulted in me asking for Ninja after forgetting to ask it at first). Unless you can demonstrate a specific need for the role, I'm kinda wary to hand it out, especially given the fact you've done an impulsive decision before with rather disastrous consequences before, which bot would make easier to hide, had you enabled it. Also, we don't need an ATIM or coop vote on this. This role isn't like sysop in that we hand it out to everyone and their mother because we want to all be equal to some extent/have protection against people blocking established editors. It's a role meant for janitorial duties, which honestly unless you can give me a reason that you need it (I haven't heard any yet, nor do your recent edits indicate much of a need for it), therefore I'm not too willing to give it out. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 10:18, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I had the Ninja user-right, and I'm still very much unconvinced by your argument, explaining why you took it away. You unilaterally removed the user-right, thus I'm still entitled to bring the matter to the mob if necessary, since the CS' don't grant individual users that power.

You mention use case, well I do periodically fix shite here, what can I say? User-rights rarely have purpose on a continuous basis, rather on an occasional basis. I had planned to mass-message old guard users asking them if they were interested in returning, which is what I originally made this bot account for... I got distracted by a drama.

Regarding trust, well I have staff, and sysop... In a hypothetical scenario where I wanted to hide my actions, I could theoretically edit the site interface directly, making my edits invisible with display:none and do whatever I wanted. It would be invisible in every log, recent changes, and my own contributions page... far more efficient than a bot flag.

Contrary to popular belief I'm not interested in breaking this site. I have had plenty of opportunity to do so, as you and many others do, particularly the inactive Techs such as Kazitor, and so forth. So if you please? Judge Dredd (talk) 12:40, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Like I said before, I'm not doing it. Get someone else to do it. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 15:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Sysop: Electros

@Sirius I've been here for long enough and I have the number of edits that were requested by Hastur. Plus some wandals are wandalising and I want to get them to stop. Electros^Pardon? 23:16, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

Granted, Mike's temper tantrums are getting annoying. Rockford the Roe (talk) 00:02, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I was asleep. Seems Rockford sysoped you already. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 08:06, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

No worries. Electros^Pardon? 15:36, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Sysop: Iwillprobablygetbanned

@CircularReasoning I‘ve been here for a while. Can I become Sysop? I would change my name as well. Iwillprobablygetbanned (Reply) 16:18, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Iwillprobablygetbanned I'll do it for them. Electros^Pardon? 16:28, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

@Electros Thanks! Iwillprobablygetbanned (Reply) 16:31, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

Ninja: JJPMaster

I strongly dislike double redirects and occasionally try to fix them rapidly (either manually or using AutoWikiBrowser). I also have a "mass rollback" tool, which means that I will sometimes have to make a lot of edits quickly, and I would therefore like to request the flood ninja right. Courtesy ping: @CircularReasoning. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 17:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@JJPMaster Done. You are now a Ninja. Spud (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Ninja: Kevlarstar

@CorruptUser @Spud @CircularReasoning Can I become Ninja? I would fix unnecessary redirects and categories. Kevlarstar and his dog (Woof!) 18:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Done. --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 20:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Kevlarstar and his dog (Woof!) 06:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Tech: Rockford the Roe

Heyo, I'd like to get tech so I can rename Mr. Poot's accounts since Special:RecentChanges has become probably the most vulgar page on the site. I have some basic knowledge of HTML/CSS/JS and I'm pretty confident in my Google-fu skills if there's something I don't know. Rockford the Roe (talk) 18:57, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements

• I am willing to formally vouch for Rockford as a decent enough tech candidate. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 11:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Goat

• Hmm... guess I could use some assistance in renaming all those foul accounts... --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 19:00, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  I should probably help you out a bit more when I see them. Is there a faster way than copy-paste of the name? Also we should disallow emojis and those strange characters in the username in the first place. Doesn't really do anything for us to get rid of, in fact it makes it super obvious the name should be blocked before they even vandalize anything, but it'd be nice to know the vandals are extra-frustrated in creating names...CoryUsar (talk) 19:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  @CorruptUser What I usually do when going on renaming sprees is I go to their contribs link, and then the "rename user" option at the top of the specialpage (the last option in a tech/mod's POV)- and then change their foul username, usually to some awesome one-liner. --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 19:34, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

  Oh, and ditto on the strange characters (usually either lame accent mark/dot/chandrabindu/tilde stacking tricks or random characters from Akkadian, a long-dead but also kind of cool language spoken in ancient Sumeria that is distantly related to Hebrew, Arabic, and Syriac.) --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 19:37, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

• Rearranged the section a bit. Cast your votes, I vouch. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 11:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Questions for the candidate

• Are you familiar with past issues of abuse by techs that resulted in the loss of tech status? Bongolian (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

I haven't dived into any wiki drama since it's none of my business but I know that giving this kind of privilege would inevitably be abused. If I do anything beyond the scope, then you all can perma ban me. Rockford the Roe (talk) 20:08, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Votes

This vote has been closed. Please do not add, remove or change votes. The result of this vote was: 4:0 demote after almost a month. --Goatspeed. Watch meCircularRasoningSee what I'm planning 03:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Yea Per my own endorsement. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / / / ) 11:44, 16 January 2021 (UTC) Aye. — Oxyaena Harass 19:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC) Would need to be more active though --Goatspeed. Watch meCircularRasoningSee what I'm planning 04:08, 7 February 2021 (UTC) Yes. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 06:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC) Nay Goat This is not to say Rockford wouldn't be a good tech (and if anything methinks we need more people with renaming privileges to assist us overwhelmed mods and to replace the recently promoted Oxy and JD and possibly LANCB'd Duce), but more resumé is needed; we must remember the skill set every good tech must have. The reason why I ran for moderator instead of applying for tech is because I'm of a more simple user type. How good is he at pywiki coding? Can he provide good advice on the tech noticeboard? And also, he'd need to be more active. --Goatspeed. Watch meCircularRasoningSee what I'm planning 19:23, 16 January 2021 (UTC) Pywikibot skills are completely irrelevant for tech (as is Python knowledge in general). I ran Inferno before becoming a tech (if you look at the logs, Ze/EK gave Inferno bot rights) and nobody but me has access to it. The only skillset required is a willingness to look up how to mod the interface if requested (MediaWikis official project manual namespace is... less than helpful at times for showing the correct interface page you need), basic HTML/CSS skills (I'd go as far to say JS is optional, but it is welcome) and a willingness to learn to understand how to use the AbuseFilter syntax. Basically, you need to be willing to go and look at how MW works under the hood and be active enough to respond to relevant requests. That said, in practice, from my experience the role is mostly renaming users, handing out shit like ninja (allows users to self-grant the bot role when doing maintenance work without clogging up RC), watching the username creation log for common patterns of vandals to add to the AbuseFilter and the occasional interface page protection. Besides that, this is probably the role on the wiki with the least appreciation for shenanigans. Shenanigans as a sysop, the community can put up with and tolerate if you say sorry and apologize for it. Abuse any of the rights you have as a tech, and you can be looking at sysoprevoke at the bare minimum. Being a tech means in essence being a community role model without the ability to exert more power than a regular editor when things get out of hand. Every move you do with the rights it grants has to be justifiable towards every single editor, no exceptions (and this includes acting out of frustration or other emotions). Mods are a bit more freeform in how they approach this stuff, techs are not freeform in their rights at all. They can only use them insofar as the CS permits it. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / / / ) 21:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC) The main shenanigan that we know about is being able to to the functional equivalent of checkuser. It is the reason why there were two demotions, and is how we got to this point where there's a vote on tech. That said, there needs to be more than technical expertise to be tech, in particular there needs to be a level of community trust for techs. It's more important that a tech know their own limitations and be conscious enough not to exceed them than to have technical knowledge about every tool. It's also more important to have community trust. Bongolian (talk) 00:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC) The CU thing is entirely closed, it's not possible anymore. The community trust part is why we added the vote yes, so we agree on that. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / / / ) 17:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC) I remember one of a big reason I ran for moderator is so I can rename things and without getting tech privileges (as I don't want to have tech rights without knowing how to use them to their fullest extent). If there's a way to get rename rights without the rest of the tech tools, I hope we can establish this. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC) @LeftyGreenMario Huzzah! You're back! --Goatspeed. Watch meCircularRasoningSee what I'm planning 21:16, 16 January 2021 (UTC) LGM, honestly, I think you're more than capable if you'd want to be a tech based on your record. You seem to know the needed skills looking at your userpage/talkpage and the rest is easy enough to pick up on as you go. That said, if you want to run, please do read my other comment. Specifically about shenanigans. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / / / ) 21:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC) I'm sure you know I was there to witness tech abuses in the past. I remember tech trying to use a loophole as a sort of pseudocheck user and not really disclosing those methods as well as a tech trying to delete and suppress the chicken coop when under pressure. Got voted out of board for that (three votes out of three people present in the board meeting). But anyhow I did one time briefly went as tech when I was moderator just to check on what tools I could use or whatnot (I think I wanted to do string replacements for multiple articles, e.g change "Category:Insufferable assholes" to "" and tried to be tech just so if I could find extra special pages for those) and then just removed tech status when I was done checking and didn't find it. Anyway, this is my comment, but this isn't my tech application, but just so you know in case I do want rename rights or something. That being said, if there's a way I can get rename and without having to feel like I'm responsible for a lot tech powers I won't use and am hesitant to try to use, I can settle for that. Also, hello CircularReasoning. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC) Just an uneducated guess, but I'd assume giving renaming rights to people who aren't techs or mods would require a creation of another user rights group. Which probably means it requires root access. So DG and Trent would be only ones (at the moment) who could make it possible. Other than that it shouldn't be impossible. If you can give certain privileges to two distinct user groups, you should be able to give them to others as well. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 00:42, 17 January 2021* (UTC) @Knight Commander, Wikimedia has the global renamer permission, so I think installing that here wouldn't be that hard. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP... master? 16:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC) I was unaware that renaming trolls was so important or that it is a sufficient excuse to grant user rights that are easily misused. Goat for now, however-Hastur! (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Ninja: Oxyaena

I'd like ninja back. I think I've proven myself trustworthy enough not to abuse it. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Spud @Bongolian @Sirius — Oxyaena ^Harass 07:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Oxyaena Tell you what. If you remove that Retired template from your user page, I'll do it for you. I'm not going to demote someone who's not here. Spud (talk) 07:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@Spud Okay, removed. — Oxyaena ^Harass 08:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Granted it. Don't cause a fuss with it please or make me regret it. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 11:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'll only use it to cause world annihilation. — Oxyaena ^Harass 11:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Can I have my mop back please.

Tried a silly test to see if it was possible to desysop and block myself simultaneously using two computers. Seems to have failed. Could I have the mop back please. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 23:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Knight Commander Got ya covered. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 23:52, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks buddy! Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 23:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Ninja powerz?

Can I be made ninja so I can do the Naruto run in public without drawing comments form other people hunt red links? I don't know if I will do it often, but last night I was kinda looking for small improvements I can make to random articles and stumbled upon some red links to zap. If the mood ever strikes me to go on a tear through them I'd rather not clog up recent changes. I'll ping, idk, @RWRW. Who I know is secretly a master of ninjutsu! (You can fool the others, RWRW, but I'm onto you...)

Regards. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 14:24, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Granted. Enjoy your newfound ninjutsu, stash of shurikens and ability to stealth your way around the wiki. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 14:31, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

I guess I’m not really a master if my cover has been blown... all those years of training gone to waste. -- RWRW (talk) 15:49, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Tech: JJPMaster

Someone said that I seem pretty good at technical stuff, and . . . quite trustworthy, and as such, I would like to request the tech user right. As for the criteria, I have some coding experience, especially in JavaScript (from my absurd hobby of creating user scripts) and Python/Pywikibot, I am okay to good at understanding how MediaWiki works, I understand edit filters quite well, and I can also google things if there is something I don't know. I also would like to confirm that I will try not to abuse my "powers" if I do get elected.

And also, renaming. I want to do it. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 17:43, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

With minor exceptions, you've only been editing here for less than a month. I think it might be better to wait a bit longer. Bongolian (talk) 18:52, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bongolian: What exactly do you mean by "with minor exceptions"? JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 00:16, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

I agree, maybe you could wait perhaps a couple more months and make a few more edits so it won't be as controversial. (In case you haven't been following site politics that closely, this is because the mob has lately gotten wary of people abusing tech rights, often doing things like unilaterally unsysrevoking people or worse, using a cheap-man's exploit-based checkuser and then trying to burn the evidence by suppressing the Chicken Coop- multiple times. Not to say we don't trust you. --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See what I'm planning} 01:35, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

By that I meant that you made 6 non-mainspace edits in December 2020, then did not edit again until January 2021. There's nothing wrong with that, but it would be nice if you had a longer track record of mainspace edits before requesting tech permission. Bongolian (talk) 03:22, 13 February 2021 (UTC)