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## Potentially interesting discussion on RW

here. tmtoulouse 13:53, 29 January 2009 (EST)

The slander, it galls me! Although I guess a lot vandals do come here and register, but so do fine people like Tony, Joshua, and me! ħuman 14:31, 29 January 2009 (EST)
That is sort of the issue though isn't it? We have users with a wide range of perspective on the issue of parody/vandalism, but as a site we merely serve as a means for everyone to get together and talk about it. Personally I think that is a good thing. And TK is, as always, trying to be an ingratiating asshole, read the earlier thread where he is trying to pull Tony into private communications. His MO never changes. tmtoulouse 14:38, 29 January 2009 (EST)
My word Trent, that's the longest screed I've seen from you with so few spelling/grammar errors. Oh yes ... it was true too.  (Toast) and marmalade 14:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)
I think most of us "condemn" outright vandalism on CP. It just so happens that, because we seem diametrically opposed to CP, a lot of people who vandalize CP look at us as a haven. Of course, it doesn't hurt that TK ratchets up the paranoia at every turn, so any vandalism is automatically blamed on us. I also love the part where he talks about digging into RW's history. And if Tony should want to try that at CP? It's essentially impossible. TK is truly amazing. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 15:00, 29 January 2009 (EST) BTW - this coming from a person who has never vandalized CP, nor do I really find it funny when others do.
Well, from the perspective of someone who has (according to CP) committed vandalism, here's how I see it. There is a difference between parody for the purpose of social commentary and vandalism. I did not delete pages, insert malicious code into templates, or attempt to gain blocking rights to abuse. Even when I had edit rights as SSchultz, I didn't use those rights to screw around with pages when noone was watching. My purpose for being at CP was to expose the idiocy that already exists. As far as RW and vandalism, I look at it this way. We all agree that seeing someone slip on a banana peel is funny, but we don't go around dropping banana peels in front of random strangers, and so to suggest that we're responsible for every person who slips on a peel is foolish. Those individuals that choose to "vandalize" CP are acting of their own accord, as I was. There is no vast left wing conspiracy, nor is it our fault that CP is incapable of figuring out what may or may not fall under Poe's Law. Stile4aly 15:15, 29 January 2009 (EST)
I think CP would be funnier if no one "wandalized" it, ever. Then we wouldn't have to guess if something is "real" or not. Poe could take a holiday. ħuman 15:25, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Well that discussion died a death as per any usual CP conversation. Only difference was none of us got banned. But while RW seemed to be dead it passed the time. What happened over here? Server borken? DogP 01:50, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Er, an intercom message that was sent out got caught an in infinite loop that I didn't realize till I got an e-mail about it. Always feel free to drop me a line if there is a problem on RW. If I know about it I won't mind and if I don't it will alert me to that fact. tmtoulouse 01:54, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Looking at that thread, if I ever harbored any delusions that GeoPlrd was a relatively smart and decent guy, they've been put to rest. He's as stupid as the rest of them. DickTurpis 02:41, 30 January 2009 (EST)

Meh, he was cornered and outnumbered. I still say he is a good guy, just needs to get away from Andy speak, hell from Andy. tmtoulouse 02:46, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Make that Andy & TK. It's pretty obvious that TK has manipulated Geo, remember the whole TK parole thing and his plagiarised UCLA article? As TK's parole officer Geo was remiss in not taking action at the time. Also when TK returned last year Geo (who hade been quiet for a long time) was one of the first to welcome him back, Can't but help think that it was the public face of private communications. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 06:15, 30 January 2009 (EST)
According to Mr Sidaway we make deliberate and organized attempts to embarrass them by planting parodic content. Tony, there is no cabal. Silver Sloth 07:12, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I assume Tony S has been "nobbled" via one of TK's private emails. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:50, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Most v(w)andalism comes from Chan and Uncyclopedia, we know it and they know it. It's just that RW is a smaller community and not as likely to respond by using uber-geek skils to crash your server so it's an easy target. ArmondikoVsshole 07:27, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Lately, our MO has been trying to distinguish parody from actual edits. While some users here may be conducting those parodies, it is certainly not an organized effort. Also, we hardly need to organize to embarass them. They do that quite well themselves. Z3rotalk 12:37, 30 January 2009 (EST)
That's exactly why I left - whatever parody I dreamed up was outclassed by the genuine ridiculousness. There was no point hanging round like a spare part. Yours trulyDear Sir 14:00, 30 January 2009 (EST)

## Utube

Is there a way to embed Youtube vids directly on site or is it external links only? Chris Fanshaw 19:44, 29 January 2009 (EST)

Yes Worm (t | c) 19:50, 29 January 2009 (EST)
This comes up enough it should probably be added to our widely read FAQ. 216.221.87.112 19:51, 29 January 2009 (EST)
Cheers. Chris Fanshaw 19:53, 29 January 2009 (EST)
If someone wants to add it to the FAQ, go ahead. But this is not a video site and the videos added must be directly relevent (such as the peanut butter argument), using them as just glorified illustrations or "just because we can" is not on. If they're there as references, they should just be external links in the footnotes section. So basically, go ahead, but don't overuse it! ArmondikoVsshole 07:23, 30 January 2009 (EST)

## GNU, copyleft, CP and us...

So I'm making the switch from Windows to ubuntu--I've already done my eee-pc, and I'm prolly going to do the other laptop on the weekend. All this has got me very curious about GNU and open source and the ways in which these ideas are challenging the corporate stranglehold on information technology.

So poking around today, I finally noticed the copyleft symbol on our pages--and I then noticed CP isn't using one. Is this a particular bit of poor spirit on the part of Andrew Layton Schlafly--using the free wiki software but not giving back to the community that supports and created that software by allowing people to use CP material? What sort of ramifications, if any, does this have for his using wikimedia images, say? do any other notable wikis behave in a similar way?

Anyway, I am becoming very interested in the politics of GNU and open source, but am a bit of a noob, tech-wise....can anyone recommend any good books/articles to bring me up to speed on what people /are saying about the social/cultural/political impacts of these things? TheoryOfPractice 00:48, 30 January 2009 (EST)

For starters, read Richard Stallman's articles here, and Eric S. Raymond's The Cathedral and the Bazaar, here. ListenerXTalkerX 00:57, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks...TheoryOfPractice 01:18, 30 January 2009 (EST)
MediaWiki's license only covers the software, what you use it for is up to you (that's one part of what free as in speech means), so you don't have to copyleft the text in the wiki. Now, according to the GPL if they make any changes to the software but don't distribute it and only use it on their server, they don't have to release the changes. The AGPL closes that loophole. But they can barely even operate the site, so I wouldn't be worried about them improving Mediawiki and not giving back. As for the text, they say this, including obligatory Wikipedia bashing. -- Nx talk 04:37, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Make sure not to miss our own fabulous article on the Open source movement which is richly detailed, in depth required reading and is practically a standard reference tome on the subject. DogP 14:04, 30 January 2009 (EST)

is here for anyone who wants it.  (Toast) and marmalade 18:24, 30 January 2009 (EST)

## Looky here!

Rules for the game are simple- you give me ideas for cards. I make them, and give you credit on the cards. We design a card game. Got it off the idea of Liberals:The Gardrening. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:33, 30 January 2009 (EST)

I love gardening. I grow my own asparagus, strawberries, raspberries, gooseberries, blackcurrants, lettuce, onions, shallots, zucchini/courgette, tomatoes, chillies, leeks, carrots, arugala, etc. All organically. It would be great to have a liberal gardening game on RationalWiki. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 18:38, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I still don't know where you get this idea dolphins are friendly, they are EVIL!!!! 18:34, 30 January 2009 (EST) — Unsigned, by: dolphin-hater / talk / contribs
By the way, what should be the picture on my card? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:42, 30 January 2009 (EST)
A cheetah or wolf? - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 18:52, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I'm a bit wary of bringing up a senstive subject, but since you suggested it. . . --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:53, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Although therianthropy or not, no one can deny that I like them. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:54, 30 January 2009 (EST)
So you didn't think much of that one I already made for you. :o( €₳\$£ΘĪÐMethinks it is a Weasel 18:55, 30 January 2009 (EST)
If it's a gardening game perhaps a rabbit would be more appropriate than something carnivorous. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 18:57, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Yum, gardening, I like trees. By the way, how come all those cards have what appears to be an irrelevant copyright line on them? Did some company copyright putting a picture above words or something? ħuman 20:45, 30 January 2009 (EST)
The design and layout is copyrighted. Doesn't matter much, though, those things are practically everywhere. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 20:55, 30 January 2009 (EST)

## Looky here!

Rules for the game are simple- you give me ideas for cards. I make them, and give you credit on the cards. We design a card game. Got it off the idea of Liberals:The Gardrening. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:33, 30 January 2009 (EST)

I love gardening. I grow my own asparagus, strawberries, raspberries, gooseberries, blackcurrants, lettuce, onions, shallots, zucchini/courgette, tomatoes, chillies, leeks, carrots, arugala, etc. All organically. It would be great to have a liberal gardening game on RationalWiki. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 18:38, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I still don't know where you get this idea dolphins are friendly, they are EVIL!!!! 18:34, 30 January 2009 (EST) — Unsigned, by: dolphin-hater / talk / contribs
By the way, what should be the picture on my card? --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:42, 30 January 2009 (EST)
A cheetah or wolf? - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 18:52, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I'm a bit wary of bringing up a senstive subject, but since you suggested it. . . --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:53, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Although therianthropy or not, no one can deny that I like them. --"ConservapediaUndergroundTransistorcan't spell criticism (yes I can!) 18:54, 30 January 2009 (EST)
So you didn't think much of that one I already made for you. :o( €₳\$£ΘĪÐMethinks it is a Weasel 18:55, 30 January 2009 (EST)
If it's a gardening game perhaps a rabbit would be more appropriate than something carnivorous. ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 18:57, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Yum, gardening, I like trees. By the way, how come all those cards have what appears to be an irrelevant copyright line on them? Did some company copyright putting a picture above words or something? ħuman 20:45, 30 January 2009 (EST)
The design and layout is copyrighted. Doesn't matter much, though, those things are practically everywhere. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 20:55, 30 January 2009 (EST)

## Wikipedia inaccessible?

For some reason I can't get to Wikipedia. Am I the only one? MIP has actually signed in - 20:46, 30 January 2009 (EST)

I can get in fine. €₳\$£ΘĪÐMethinks it is a Weasel 20:49, 30 January 2009 (EST)
I'm OK too.  (Toast) and marmalade 20:54, 30 January 2009 (EST)
Hmm, when I try it keeps loading and loading until Firefox tells me there was a "network timeout." MIP has actually signed in - 21:13, 30 January 2009 (EST)
All fine here in the Yukay. Yours trulyDear Sir 07:44, 31 January 2009 (EST)