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Vodka Eyeballing[edit]

Could someone please tell me that vodka eyeballing is just a media invention?--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 14:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Not quite as stupid as burning bins and getting high on the fumes. Kids are very very odd. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 15:01, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

doesnt alcohol in the eye sting like crazy ? at least its Canadians Hamster (talk) 15:03, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

You just don't understand us. It's a total rush. We don't have to conform to your societal norms, conformist. Keep your judgments off my body. If I wanted yolkjds'lf fu7u09f Fuck, I just passed out. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The first I saw of this was in Kevin and Perry Go Large. (Ok, ok, so I was in Loughborough in 2000, and there wasn't a great selection of movies on at their fleapit at the time.) I'm sure it was intended as being ridiculous, but there was definitely some vodka eyeballing going on there. Bondurant (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Never actually heard of it in the eye, but we used to snort vodka from time to time. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Can we get Ace to try this, purely in the interests of science of course? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 15:17, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The articles about this seem to consistently quote scientists as saying that the method if inefficient. I'd doubt the piss artist would be so cavalier with his sauce. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:24, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Do they use a dropper to drip it in or hold an eyebath (like you get with Optrex)? Even when bypassing first pass metabolism I can't see how you'd get enough into your system. Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 15:27, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Young whippersnappers these days. Back in my time we used to drink our liquor, dammit. DickTurpis (talk) 15:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

From the videos I've seen on the news, they seem to just put their eye on the mouth of the bottle, tip it back and let the good times roll. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Ridiculous. Everyone knows the most efficient method of taking in vodka is to inject it directly into the brain, and pinch the carotic artery so that it doesn't escape into the rest of the body. ^{ONE / TALK} 16:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I propose that we ask Ace to try pouring it into his ear and report on the result.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 20:51, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. Ace, you've been conscripted. You may use rum or whisky in vodka's stead, if you so choose (don't waste the good stuff though). We expect a full report by Sunday. DickTurpis (talk) 20:53, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I could never resist a challenge. I'll try it tonight, with someone watching on skype so you know I have done so. Ace ⁱ⁹ 20:56, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I can see the headline now "Local Man Dies From Aural Alcohol Intake While Sadists Watch and Laugh Live Via Internet" (a bit long for a headline, I suppose), I volunteer to be said sadist. Let me know when you'll be on skype (EDT time please, not your backwards, antipodal day-is-night time scheme). DickTurpis (talk) 21:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to use gin. Ace ⁱ⁹ 21:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Here's a guy with a beard using a neti pot for coffee and whiskey. These eyeball kids are lame. Ethanol nasal irrigation is hardcore. Corry (talk) 02:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Church shoos away girl raped by member[edit]

My faith slipped yet another notch--Thanatos (talk) 23:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

CBS article. Shoot me now, please. --Sid (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

You've certainly got to hand it to the church. They may not obey the letter of the law in having the rape victim stoned to death, but you can't accuse them of ignoring the spirit. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 04:13, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that's the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. Day by day, I grow more cynical about this world, and this is one of the reasons why. Almost makes me wanna go and puke and piss all over that church in response. Lord of the Goons ^{The official spikey-haired skeptical punk} 04:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I've not seen Uygur that pissed off... well, almost ever.

^moral 06:54, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Phelps? Any relation to Fred perchance? Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 10:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

That was actually my first response too.--Thanatos (talk) 02:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ion clocks show relativistic effects at small scales - real or a complex joke ?[edit]

Its really sad when things get to the point that I cant tell a real science item from a joke , so what do people think ? HERE Hamster (talk) 15:06, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Well, it's all in the closing paragraph, it's nothing that wasn't known. It's just a case that the instruments are now sensitive enough to detect the phenomena at levels that we previously thought we'd not be able to observe them at. Although if you're talking about that fourth post, the one about "what if there's a difference between a real clock and a biological clock" that has to be a joke, surely...

^moral 19:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

its more the phrases "The ions are held in small traps using radio-frequency fields to confine them, and the motion of the ions is very precisely controlled" that leave me going WTF ? I am old enough that black and white tube type tv's were typical when I was a teenager. Stuff like this is like tuning in the scifi channel. Hamster (talk) 20:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I guess such things depend in part on one's perspective: it's certainly impressive that they're able to build atomic clocks which are quite so accurate, but the basic idea (i.e. ion traps) is relatively run-of-the-mill - the inventors of such things won the Nobel Prize over 20 years ago, and so they almost certainly developed it quite some time before. alt (talk) 22:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

It sounds reasonably plausible to me. They've been doing this kind of things with lasers for years, though I guess for reasons of being able to detect the results they had to use some other part of spectrum to control the ions here. I've never heard of RF being used for this purpose, but if you can do it with light then why not other parts of the spectrum? --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:39, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The RF comes into it because they use a Paul Trap to ensure the ions (Al+ in this case) don't move. They still use lasers to excite the ions. So far as I can tell (as I'm not an expert), this work has two main changes from earlier clocks: they've built a higher quality ion trap, and they're able to cool the ions more effectively by changing some of the atoms used. The key to making these things accurate is to make sure the ions don't move about, because the frequency they oscillate at (i.e., the speed of the clock) depends upon the electric fields present. If the ions are moving around (because they're hot, or your trap's not good enough) the electric fields aren't well-defined. alt (talk) 23:02, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I've worked with rudimentary ion traps on some mass spectrometers and they're practically magic to me. Certainly holding them still is a very important part because you're trying to precisely measure frequencies emitted by these things, and if they're moving you're going to at least get a lot of Doppler broadening - i.e., some are moving towards your detector and some are moving away, so the frequencies you observe are blue and red shifted respectively. But still, to get it this precise is amazingly impressive, the feedback controls to keep a normal atomic clock functioning are quite complicated so to keep these things synced up must be orders of magnitude higher. Anyway, I think its quite a good example of how even when you have some good scientific knowledge, you can still be impressed by the abilities of the specialists!

^moral 01:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh absolutely. I'm just interested that the bit Hamster thought sounded Sci-Fi was the idea of using electric fields to manipulate charged particles, and didn't comment on the fact that, for example, I'm aging at a different rate to my housemates simply by virtue of me living in the attic. alt (talk) 09:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

They're sscillating magnetic and electric fields... I suppose it could sound a little sci-fi if you've never experienced ion trap technology. But I think the difference between what sounds sci-fi and what doesn't is the technology, not the phenomena we describe. Quantum theory doesn't sound sci-fi, but using it to teleport things does.

^moral 11:52, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

when I read ions trapped by radio frequency... I flashed on EE Doc Smiths Skylark of Space series. Hamster (talk) 03:56, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

One Trillion Dollars spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars[edit]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-zerkel/1-trillion-for-wars-makes_b_589262.html Well, mission accomplished I guess.Ryantherebel (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm a sucker for base-10 milestones. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I thought we burnt through that long ago. I guess it depends on whose accountants one is using? ħuman

11:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Best Conservative Rock Anthems[edit]

This is funny because it's not on Conservapedia. But what HolyTaco.com is to CP:Worst College Majors this list will be to CP:Best Conservative Rock Music. I'm posting the Wonkette link because 1) the actual list was written in May 2006, an oversight on Wonkette's part and the likely reason why it has not yet made it on CP yet; and 2) the comments are funny. Who knew that The Who and The Clash would become conservative icons, or that the anti-Vietnam song "Who'll Stop the Rain?" would resonate with conservatives today? --Leotardo (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

The list. Whacked. Seriously whacked. Reads more like a list of "what we are whining against" than anything else. ħuman

11:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I have trouble figuring out the point of these kinds of things, whether it be deciding some word from 1580 is "conservative" or that "Walk Like an Egyptian" was an anti-terrorist anthem. What does it really achieve outside of bizarre rah-rah-boosterism? I realize there aren't many conservative artists (who are actually good at their craft), and that if conservatives want to make the whole world a dichotomy they'd have to include Winterband in their "CP:Great Conservative Rock Bands. Ever", but still: is this really an effective use of brain power? I think a lot of people would be more swayed by a conservative who was able to be as effective, artistically, as Lady Gaga, then by conservatives in another twenty years saying "Bad Romance" was all about America's relationship with Obama, or whoever is the loathed liberal of the moment. --Leotardo (talk) 15:20, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

US citizen killed in Israeli raids on flotilla[edit]

Fox News readers cheer. EddyP (talk) 18:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh, but don't you see? He wasn't born in America to American parents, so he wasn't American. Bastard time Hoover! 19:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

“”First, the people of that area of the world have never been peaceful. They have been butchering each other over trivialities since the begining of time. Israel has been the light of civilization in the area since it was founded.

NNURGH! *facemelts from stupid* I don't understand how people can even comment like this! No one can be THAT retarded! --The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 23:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I skimmed some of the Old Testament - a book they wrote about themselves - and it seems to imply the reason the Israelites survived was by massacring every other tribe they encountered. ħuman

04:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Wherein even "liberal" Christians annoy me on occasion[edit]

This latest post on the slacktivist blog really got my goat. When you are accused of hypocrisy, it seems to me a really dick move to retort "Oh yeah? Well, you're a hypocrite too!" Even if you're actually right. The whole attempt at misdirection on how many times the bible talks about homosexuality is a very obvious diversionary tactic. How many times exactly does the all powerful creator of the universe have to say a thing before you take it seriously?

I guess I just don't understand how you can possibly make the connection that the Bible is an anthology written by men, not a divinity, and that it addresses obviously primitive concerns and must therefore be filtered through the sieve of human reason before applying anything that it says to your life but then fail to recognise the obvious corollary that since this is all that it is possible to know about what the Christian god wants us to do, one should not be a Christian. Fancy interpretative footwork does not get you around the plain, and often horribly immoral, teachings in the good book. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:04, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

So I'm chatting on skypy with fans of Mike Malloy last night and we're talking aliens coming to earth and this guy starts quoting the Bible to me, to "prove" the case. So I start reading at Genesis 1:1. A history book? Freak out. ħuman

11:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Democracy NOW![edit]

I was browsing around for more podcasts when I saw this one. Anybody familiar with Democracy NOW!? Does it have any noticable leanings in either direction? -- Ravenhull (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

They've been around for at least a decade and a half. U.S. program. Very left wing, and not beholden to the U.S. Democratic Party, closer to the Ralph Nader or Alexander Cockburn kind of left. I haven't heard it in ages though. Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm a regular watcher/reader/listener of DN. Slanted pretty much as far to the left as you can get in America. They sometimes are a little knee-jerk, as is any media outlet that is shaped by a political ideology--as in all of them...The difference here is that DN makes no facile claims to "objectivity," as if such a thing were possible. What they do well is to give a voice to opinions and analyses that would never make it into corporate media--whether you agree or disagree with those opinions and analyses, it's hard to argue that that isn't a good thing. P-Foster (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

To clarify - not beholden to the U.S. Democratic Party = a GOOD thing imo. To the extent that there is a (responsible, not lunatic) left independent of the Democrats and a (responsible, not lunatic) conservatism independent of the Republicans, they can only be good things. The Democratic Party left and the Republican Party right are just entrenched interest groups playing a permanent game of 'gotcha politics'. Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

With ya there, Messieur Rodential One. ħuman

11:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

WHO [sic] can you trust?[edit]

Scientists who drew up the key World Health Organisation guidelines advising governments to stockpile drugs in the event of a flu pandemic had previously been paid by drug companies which stood to profit, according to a report out today. 03:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Interesting. But this New Scientist article seems to have a different idea.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 06:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Seems a bit vague. If employing an expert in a field like this, it's difficult to imagine that they'd have spent an entire career entirely isolated in academia. I'd be more concerned if they were, at the time of producing the report, had a direct tie to a company benefiting from their recommendations. Whether they were right or wrong to suggest stockpiling has to be judged on a sensible estimate of the risk of not responding as they did. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 11:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

An outright hoax, doubtful. That there was a real risk and some recommendations were swayed in the direction of some companies rather than others to the tune of a couple of billion, quite plausible.

^moral 12:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey bartender![edit]

Get me a white soviet. Rational Whacker (talk) 04:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Did you mistake one of us for your friendly underage bartender, CUR? Anyway, belatedly, here's your poison. Have some White China on me. ħuman

11:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, now for some white cuban and some white cambodian. I love communism, why the fuck these CONservatives hate it so much? ^{— Unsigned, by: Rational Whacker / talk / contribs}

Because it usually winds up causing horrific death tolls and unimaginable pain and suffering to millions of people. SJ ^Debaser 15:36, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Yay, dead people!!! I'm drunk right now if you're wondering and I probably better go sober up before I fuck up. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

the Soviet weren't real communist, and only Stalin killed that much people.Waronstupidity (talk) 17:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

U.S. Army Combatives[edit]

So my last weigh in told me the Army thinks I'm overweight. My last Physical Fitness test tells me I'm barely fit. I decided to do something about it. Last week I started going to the gym in earnest on a CrossFit regimen, but I quickly started to lose motivation because to get there before it's full up of guys on profile pretending to work out I have to hit it when the doors open at 0530. That gives me an hour before the wasters show up.

ANYWAY, I started to lose motivation because I don't have a partner and I have to be there so early and my only goal was "Get fit", which is kind of hard to get pumped about. So I set another goal. My neighbor placed second in the heavyweight class during the Post Open combatives tournament last month and I thought to myself: "Self, I think not getting turned into a red smear on the canvas in next year's tournament would be a hell of a motivator."

So I talked to him about it and he said I should talk to the combatives guys at the fighthouse at lunch. They were pretty welcoming and I did my first session with them today. BADLY. So badly, in fact, that the only positive thing said to me during the hour-long session was along the lines of: "If you stick with this and come back every day, you're going to be an excellent example of the progression from an overweight, uncoordinated, weakling piece of shit into a competent fighter."

I have a long way to go. The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 18:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Hand-to-hand combat? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 18:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretty much. It's what the Army uses now. It combines grappling, boxing and mixed martial arts. It was actually pretty motivating afterwards, in spite of the fact that my stance sucks, I suck at kicking, I suck at punching, and the Women's Middleweight winner from the last tournament had me pinned and choked me out in less than 10 seconds. I have to work on stance and stepping over the weekend (and for weeks to come) but I'm in the classes because I want the techniques. The strength and coordination will come in time. I can't wait until Monday! The Foxhole Atheist (talk) 18:39, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I would recommend following the tips of Northern Ireland's premier mixed martial artist, this is not a guy you'd like to mess with! DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 00:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

We needs an article[edit]

"Babywise," or "Growing Kids God's Way." any folks here--maybe someone who has succesfully reproduced--know anything about this? P-Foster (talk) 00:49, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

"-maybe someone who has successfully reproduced". Erm reproduction usually involves getting a shag, so you'll be lucky to find anyone on here who fits that bill. DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 01:02, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I shag frequently but have not considered repoducing yet. Ace ⁱ⁹ 01:04, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

MA-CHEEEEEEESE-MO - David Gerard (talk) 01:37, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

When our own genetic experiment was in the vat, my born-again mother sent us a DVD that I think may have been "BabyWise". We never watched it and I have no idea where it is, if anywhere. But hmm. - David Gerard (talk) 01:13, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

A Facebook friend "liked" a group that opposes Babywise, a few clicks of the moose brought me to their site...P-Foster (talk) 01:15, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Gary and Anne Marie's family seem to consist of a poodle. 01:30, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

We too found it particularly inspirational that the main photo on the website for their "parenting ministry" showed a picture of their fucking dog - David Gerard (talk) 01:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

"most professionals in the pediatric, breastfeeding and child development communities vehemently oppose Ezzo's methods," 01:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Loya Jirga, pt 94[edit]

Although no term limits were ever set on Loya jirga elections, three months was the time that was mentioned most frequently by those who cared. Those three months are now up. Who wants to have another election? This might be a good time as one or two members have already left, and I will soon (moving house in a few weeks and my internet access doesn't come with me). So... new elections or keep calm and carry on? Totnesmartin (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The who? But seriously, I've seen the LJ thing do sweet fuck all, even when I'd say it could have popped its head up and said "hi" so if you want to reopen nominations and vote for new members, I doubt I'd notice.

^moral 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Three months was the least unpolular, but really it's had nothing to do. just the existence of it has kind of kept people onside. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Such is the power of the Lethargic Jerboa, people fear to cross it. EddyP (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't see any advantage in lengthy & distracting elections again at this point. How about if a Loya Jirga lasts until three months after its first actual involvement rather than just three months from being elected? Ŵêâŝêîôîď

^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a sensible idea. We'd better bury it in the archives before anyone notices. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

There goes my plan to sell my vote to the highest bidder. --PsyGremlin話しなさい 18:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

How about any given Limp Jumpers lasts until it does something, and then is immediately replaced (like, within a week - ten days or so that it takes us to "vote")? ħuman

20:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Damn. These next two months are my "farewell tour" before I start school again, and I was hoping to be elected to the Lloya Jirga before it was up : (

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It's kind of fiddly. The Linguini Jerker is pretty much a "in case of emergency break glass" thing, and we haven't really had a serious HCM inducing event. I reckon three months is just way too short. May six months? We could say three months from the moment they do something big, but that seems to be just a clever way of getting around the original three month limit. Mind you, the clever may be a way to get this done without risking a people getting annoyed about their wiki being borked. --

^{Ask me about our random string of characters} 01:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

If two have left (one was replaced?) and Martin is gonna have to retire, surely that opens up a chance for RA to be elected to an empty seat? ħuman

01:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Seconding the idea we should have a simple by-election...P-Foster (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

So let's do it! Totnesmartin (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

You have to type something in that edit box in order for people to know what the hell it's about. But you knew that, MigratedMartin. ħuman

03:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking RA would do it, he wanted the job. Looks like he doesn't care after all...or anyone else for that matter. Totnesmartin (talk) 06:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I care!

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How about this fucking idiot.....[edit]

Palin, of course, on Israel and the Oil Spill. She makes Rob Smith look like genius. Ace ⁱ⁹ 01:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

While I don't pretend to know everything about it, I'm pretty sure that if there's a growing "anti-Israel chorus", then it's probably for a good reason.

^moral 06:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Its the drilling that bothers me. "The offshore drilling is a disaster! To solve this, we'll drill somewhere else". Ace ⁱ⁹ 06:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

That part is incredibly intellectually dishonest. The conservative line on this one goes, "If it hadn't been for you damn environmentalists, we wouldn't have been drilling there." But even a moment's thought makes one think, "Really? So if ANWR had been open, they wouldn't be drilling in other known locations? There's a limit to how much profit they want to make?" Obviously, drilling is not a finite quantity. If ANWR was open, they'd be drilling there as well.--

^talk

07:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I can faintly remember a time when politicians who wanted to sound off on the issues of the day published op-eds in reputable newspapers that needed to meet certain quality standards. Nowadays, a columnist for a gossip paper who's completely clueless about the situation becomes the source for a wannabe politician whose lack of knowledge about, well, anything has never stopped her from making grandstanding statements, and finally, a neocon propaganda rag publishes the latter's nonsensical facebook post verbatim. Yeah, that's how you conduct an intelligent debate about complicated issues. Röstigraben (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Whilst I was completely with her on the first paragraph of her flotilla screed - "Don't believe everything in the media" is a good mantra - she kind of lost me then. I am certainly NOT pro-Palestein (whatever that means), but I struggle to understand why the right in the US love Israel so much. As for the Drill Baby, Drill nonsense, the levels of stupidity and/or dishonesty are staggering. It's one thing from a backwater blogger like Rob, but from a prominent 'politician'? Has anyone heard a conservative say "we were all for offshore drilling, but now we understand why people were concerned"? How they continue to completely back-track on their DBD stances and blame environmentalists/liberals/atheists^{just you wait} is even more dishonest than what we get from our own undistinguished politcos over here. DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 13:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Pro-Palestinian means that you support the Palestinian State's right to exist. In exactly the same way that the peace negotiators are trying to get Hamas to sign-up to the idea that Israel has a right to exist, a pro-Palestine stance means that you believe that Israel should sign up to a binding declaration that Palestine as a state and sovereign country has a right to exist, with an equal footing to Israel, including having Jerusalem as a shared capital between the two countries. The actual odds of Israel ever formally adopting the idea that Palestine as a state has the right to exist and actually sticking to that declaration–none. The Israeli political establishment doesn't want Palestine to exist any more than Hamas wants Israel to exist, hence perpetual conflict in the Middle East.

"Don't believe everything in the media", yes, good start. Next line, "Like what I just said" or "Instead, believe my lies". ħuman

02:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

She is truly an embarrassment. PACODOG ^{woof, bitches} 02:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

What you're missing is there is a ready market for this stuff; look at the comments of Ed Schultz & Mike Malloy, two regular stand-ins for Sen. cp:Al Franken's cp:Air America:

I really believe that what is happening in the Gulf is a classic of how we do need campaign finance reform. [1] (See:cp:Gulf oil spill disaster#British Petroleum).
Eric Holder, another cp:corporatist [read "fascist"], who is going to do the Devil’s work now and pretend that he is conducting a criminal investigation into the events that led to the oil gush [2] nobs^{don't bother me} 01:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

-- Ace ⁱ⁹ 01:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey Rob, Big Red Ed was never on AAR. Malloy had his own show, until shown the door. Al did not own AAR, he had a show on the network until he moved home to MN to run for the Senate. But the way you put it is much more imaginative. ħuman

02:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Earlobing Gin[edit]

Never mind Eyeballing Vodka, try earlobing Gin. The newest craze...(thanks to Nutty Roux for capturing history in action..)...Ace ⁱ⁹ 07:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thelab.jpg

The lab
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The patient
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Tools
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The bottle
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Recommended dosage
Firsttaste.PNG

First Taste
Process.PNG

Sounds good....
Argh.PNG

....Tastes even better
Ginmachismo.jpg

Result? Muy Machismo!

Now that's machismo that even Ken and/or Andy could be proud of! The Goonie Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 07:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, but does it have macheesemo? Rodlen (talk) 07:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Was this really a good idea though? DickTurpis (talk) 07:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

And when do you publish your results? Did you use a control? Water in the other ear, perhaps? I am going to hold you to high academic standards here. DickTurpis (talk) 07:16, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Moreover, I doubt that Ace would have been sober enough for us to reliably measure the inebriating effects of aural alcohol intake. MARCVS ANTONIVS 07:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Sir, you are a god to me. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 10:13, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Any good experiment should be repeated several times to expunge any outliers. Hurry up Ace, that paper aint gonna publish itself. ^{ONE / TALK} 11:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I think we should be told of any psychological changes which the subject experienced.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 12:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I got a nice bottle of Single Malt last night. Which orifice should I be using? Worm^{(t | c)} 12:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

If it's anything other than the mouth, then you may as well use Tesco Value Scotch. I'd be happy to give that single malt a home... Bondurant (talk) 12:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Whoever the guy is in the picture, he's pretty cute. Yay cute liberals! --Leotardo (talk) 15:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

What about cute moderates? Rational Whacker (talk) 15:30, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh Ace McWicked is our official unkempt eye-candy. Between is rugged good looks and undeniable machismo he is the spearhead of our new promotional campaign to attract more ladies to the site. Look for this face on billboards across the country this summer. DickTurpis (talk) 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, sorry, I farted.

This page has been
gas attacked by SuperJosh.
Sorry.

Now you've said that, I'm tempted to print off pictures of Ace and run around town posting them up with the RW logo. Then again, it might attract less intellectual people to the site and engulf us in social networking and low-brow humour. SJ ^Debaser 16:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

We should have a RW beauty contest so I can win. Ace ⁱ⁹ 23:45, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

"Beauty" contest? Man, you just lost, like, 20,000 machismo points. DickTurpis (talk) 17:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Bebo una botella de 337 esta noche. No tiene las fotos. Šţěŗĭļė handstand 03:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Sending hate mail to the bitch cheerleader's school[edit]

As I was gonna point out last night when the server crashed, did anybody notice that the bitch's stupid rickroll seems to expose where she goes to school? East Washington U? Think it's actually her school? Anyone think sending her school some of the same shit she's been giving us is a good idea? Rational Whacker (talk) 15:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

No. SJ ^Debaser 15:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

NO. We are not a troll site. MARCVS ANTONIVS 15:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

So then where does her IP come from? DDoS possible? Told you all, imma dick. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Fucking hell no. Fucks sake. Are you insane?

^moral 15:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Of course, what I mean to say is do it by all means, but do it on your terms, in your time and under your name, rather than hiding behind the RationalWiki name when you do it.

^moral 15:40, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

No I told you, I'm drunk. I think I'm high on something to. Rational Whacker (talk)

Go away. The grown-ups are talking. P-Foster (talk) 15:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I'll do it in the name of TK lol. Rational Whacker (talk) 15:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Keep in mind our policy regarding how personal information is disclosed. Even cheerleaders have rights, and anything you find by Googling around should be carefully considered before posting it on RW. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 15:46, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Cheerleaders have "rights" and we have "lefts" because we have a brain. Oh look at the pretty logo! I'll continue this next week and hopefully I can remember my real name and first initial so I log in. Hasta La Vista! Rational Whacker (talk) 15:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait I thought I was being a dick on CP. Good night everybody! Rational Whacker (talk) 15:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Obtaining and posting this type of information is frowned upon in our community standards.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 15:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Is it just me or is this turning surreal?!?

^moral 16:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The only thing I can find surreal about it is the fact that he's being taken seriously. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 16:12, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

It's tricky. I don't think they're serious, but it's better to err on the side of caution and roll out the friendly warnings. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 16:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I was hopeful after responding with a blunt "no," that would be sufficient for people to ignore this thread and not entertain the poster with further comments. Apparently I was mistaken. SJ ^Debaser 16:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

IMO, it smacked of Human. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 16:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't know/care about the sock accounts here and their identities. Apart from one or two, yours being one of them NU. SJ ^Debaser 17:00, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I was saying your blunt response smacked of human. Which of my sawks do you care about? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh right, I thought you meant it was Human posting about the bitch cheerleader. What a hilarious misunderstanding. I'm going with the general assumption that you're MC/friends with him, not that it's my business. SJ ^Debaser 17:19, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Me being MC is illogical, but I'd be willing to consider any and all evidence. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:23, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Please don't. This meme is tiresome & basically feeding the troll. Ŵêâŝêîôîď

^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

What meme? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretending that you & MarcusCicero are the same person. Tedious. Ŵêâŝêîôîď

^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:29, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I hate Cheerleader. Waronstupidity (talk) 17:37, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I love lamp. But who Neveruse is or isn't isn't my business or of interest to me. I want not approve on it. I think polite post. SJ ^Debaser 17:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Would someone please explain to me what the heck is going on here? This is the second mention of cheerleader-related HCMs I've heard, and I would like to know that the heck everyone is talking about. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:36, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Time for another non-sequitur thread[edit]

I spilt beer on my alarm clock a few weeks ago and I'm afraid to plug it back in for fear of electrocuting myself and burning the house down. It's 1997 all over again... SJ ^Debaser 15:38, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

It should have dried out by now, surely.

^moral 15:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

The main worry I would have is that the dried remnants of the beer could cause overheating or a short, but then that seems only likely if you poured a pretty serious amount in to the thing. Maybe plug it in out in the garden and let it run for a few hours? Failing that, sell it at a car boot sale and then check the local newspapers over the coming months to see if the coroner has confirmed any reports of death by alarm clock. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 16:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

At which point we oversight that comment just in case the investigation leads back here...

^moral 16:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Do Britain's atheistic building codes not require ground fault circuit interrupters? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 16:51, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

New builds certainly do, and old ones are required to be upgraded. Trouble is lots and lots of the buildings in use here are old, particularly the sort of accomodation poor students live in, and buildings rented to poor students tend to have the sort of landlords who ignore minor details like the laws concerning health and safety. (Calling the Health and Safety Executive on your landlord when you've finally reached a state of total war and would quite like to break your lease is deeply emotionally satisfying.) - David Gerard (talk) 20:22, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I imagine SJ is caught in a vicious cycle by this spillage... no alarm clock -> no job -> no GFCI outlets -> no alarm clock... ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 20:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

It will be fine by now marra - besides, an alarm clock will be a class II (double insulated) appliance, so there's no risk of electric shock. (As to GFCIs, or Residual Current Devices as we call them, since the 17th edition of the wiring regs BS7671 came in to force in 2008, pretty much everything needs to be RCD protected at 30mA, but the regs are not retrospective). DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 22:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

My alarm clock is completely uninsulated and without any possibility of electric shock. I just wind it up. Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 07:20, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I used to have one of those. Then I dropped it, knocking the face plate akimbo, so it was always rang twenty minutes off.

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

There's a long thread on Consumerist about just this sort of thing. The best advice is dip it in some distilled water first (to rinse off anything that's dried onto the electronics) and then stick it in a container of uncooked rice for a few hours (to suck the moisture out).

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

And another non-sequitur[edit]

Don't you just hate it when you try to drink something (like tea) and because for some reason you're expecting - possibly just subconsciously - to taste something else, like lemonade, so it makes you think it tastes gawdawful and then you spit it out and everyone looks at you like you're insane... ^moral 15:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Though in fairness, I think this tea is tasting a little funky so might need to check the date on the milk...

^moral 15:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I remember once my friends dad went into a convenience store and got us the "cherry coke" we wanted from the soda fountain. He didn't tell us until we'd finished that they were out of cherry and it was regular coke. Blew our fucking minds, man. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 15:58, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Don't check the date, just smell the milk. Those dates are nonsense. The nose doesn't lie.--

Kriss Akabusi ^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 16:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Akabusi is wise. The actual date varies quite a bit, depending on how long the milk has been open and the quality of the fridge. Only downside to the sniff method is that the dried milk around the cap may smell a bit sour even if the milk itself is fine. I love milk and I dedicate a lot of time to understanding and drinking it. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 16:03, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Whenever I smell check milk, it always smells bad. I go by taste. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 16:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

If you go by smell pour it into a glass first. The crusty bits around the mouth of the carton can have a discernible odor the milk itself doesn't have. DickTurpis (talk) 16:07, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

You know what I hate? When you're pouring what you expect to be gin in your ear, but it turns out you got the bottles wrong an it's actually flat Sprite. Bad scene, man, bad scene. DickTurpis (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

That's why we're all here. We provide support in times of woe. I'm sorry to hear about the Sprite problem, but I know you're strong enough to get "back on the horse" and return to pouring top shelf booze in to your ear holes. Tried pouring advocaat in your ear? It's booze, but it's a bit like milk. Best of both worlds. --ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 16:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

(EC) As a man whose gin comes in large, plastic bottles, I can relate to that. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 16:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Pretty easy to tell when the milk in your tea has turned. Just look and see if it's formed little particles on the surface when you pour it in, rather than just dispersing. If so, toss it out even if it does smell okay. --Kels (talk) 17:56, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

I recommend Cravendale or Tesco's Pure milk. It is superfiltered to remove most of the bacteria and lasts a lot longer than the regular stuff. Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 07:24, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Cosmos, Carl Sagan, and BP[edit]

How fitting- I was just watching an old "Cosmos" episode in which Sagan showed footage of the Valdez catastrophe. I wonder what he'd say about the choice he posited in 1980 now that billions and billions of gallons of oil flood are flooding into the Gulf: "Our generation must choose. Which do we value more, short-term profits or the long-term habitability of our planetary home?" Corry (talk) 21:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Short term profits, please! But seriously, people will choose that.

^moral 15:14, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Hee![edit]

via PZ 20:50, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I saw that in my newspaper a day or so ago. But I wasn't too surprised - I already lost faith in "Dear Abby" when she suggested to someone that they take a picture of their kids every morning so that they have an updated photo to show the cops in the event that their kids get abducted. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 21:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

I lost faith in her when I found out that the picture she's been using is twenty years old.

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:38, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ha! I never new that. Interesting. It really puts the columns where she gives self-confidence advice in a new light. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 21:45, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Ayn Landers - David Gerard (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

What's really cool is taking a pic once a week or so of your kid, then when they're like, 18 or 20 putting them together as a video and watching them grow. A bit more on the "positive thinking" side than obsessing over possible abduction (although preparedness is a good thing). --Kels (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Dealing with trolls[edit]

We are trying to hammer out our policy regarding trolls on the Community Standards talk page. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:34, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Why is it so easy to parody Palin?[edit]

I always said she was a tv personality--Thanatos (talk) 02:18, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Loya Jirga, pt 94[edit]

Although no term limits were ever set on Loya jirga elections, three months was the time that was mentioned most frequently by those who cared. Those three months are now up. Who wants to have another election? This might be a good time as one or two members have already left, and I will soon (moving house in a few weeks and my internet access doesn't come with me). So... new elections or keep calm and carry on? Totnesmartin (talk) 15:34, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The who? But seriously, I've seen the LJ thing do sweet fuck all, even when I'd say it could have popped its head up and said "hi" so if you want to reopen nominations and vote for new members, I doubt I'd notice.

^moral 16:03, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Three months was the least unpolular, but really it's had nothing to do. just the existence of it has kind of kept people onside. Totnesmartin (talk) 16:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Such is the power of the Lethargic Jerboa, people fear to cross it. EddyP (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I can't see any advantage in lengthy & distracting elections again at this point. How about if a Loya Jirga lasts until three months after its first actual involvement rather than just three months from being elected? Ŵêâŝêîôîď

^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 17:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like a sensible idea. We'd better bury it in the archives before anyone notices. Totnesmartin (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

There goes my plan to sell my vote to the highest bidder. --PsyGremlin講話 18:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

How about any given Limp Jumpers lasts until it does something, and then is immediately replaced (like, within a week - ten days or so that it takes us to "vote")? ħuman

20:37, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Damn. These next two months are my "farewell tour" before I start school again, and I was hoping to be elected to the Lloya Jirga before it was up : (

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 21:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

It's kind of fiddly. The Linguini Jerker is pretty much a "in case of emergency break glass" thing, and we haven't really had a serious HCM inducing event. I reckon three months is just way too short. May six months? We could say three months from the moment they do something big, but that seems to be just a clever way of getting around the original three month limit. Mind you, the clever may be a way to get this done without risking a people getting annoyed about their wiki being borked. --

^{Ask me about our random string of characters} 01:01, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

If two have left (one was replaced?) and Martin is gonna have to retire, surely that opens up a chance for RA to be elected to an empty seat? ħuman

01:25, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Seconding the idea we should have a simple by-election...P-Foster (talk) 01:41, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

So let's do it! Totnesmartin (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

You have to type something in that edit box in order for people to know what the hell it's about. But you knew that, MigratedMartin. ħuman

03:46, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking RA would do it, he wanted the job. Looks like he doesn't care after all...or anyone else for that matter. Totnesmartin (talk) 06:15, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I care!

Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

How about this fucking idiot.....[edit]

Palin, of course, on Israel and the Oil Spill. She makes Rob Smith look like genius. Ace ⁱ⁹ 01:08, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

While I don't pretend to know everything about it, I'm pretty sure that if there's a growing "anti-Israel chorus", then it's probably for a good reason.

^moral 06:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Its the drilling that bothers me. "The offshore drilling is a disaster! To solve this, we'll drill somewhere else". Ace ⁱ⁹ 06:50, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

That part is incredibly intellectually dishonest. The conservative line on this one goes, "If it hadn't been for you damn environmentalists, we wouldn't have been drilling there." But even a moment's thought makes one think, "Really? So if ANWR had been open, they wouldn't be drilling in other known locations? There's a limit to how much profit they want to make?" Obviously, drilling is not a finite quantity. If ANWR was open, they'd be drilling there as well.--

^talk

07:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

I can faintly remember a time when politicians who wanted to sound off on the issues of the day published op-eds in reputable newspapers that needed to meet certain quality standards. Nowadays, a columnist for a gossip paper who's completely clueless about the situation becomes the source for a wannabe politician whose lack of knowledge about, well, anything has never stopped her from making grandstanding statements, and finally, a neocon propaganda rag publishes the latter's nonsensical facebook post verbatim. Yeah, that's how you conduct an intelligent debate about complicated issues. Röstigraben (talk) 07:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Whilst I was completely with her on the first paragraph of her flotilla screed - "Don't believe everything in the media" is a good mantra - she kind of lost me then. I am certainly NOT pro-Palestein (whatever that means), but I struggle to understand why the right in the US love Israel so much. As for the Drill Baby, Drill nonsense, the levels of stupidity and/or dishonesty are staggering. It's one thing from a backwater blogger like Rob, but from a prominent 'politician'? Has anyone heard a conservative say "we were all for offshore drilling, but now we understand why people were concerned"? How they continue to completely back-track on their DBD stances and blame environmentalists/liberals/atheists^{just you wait} is even more dishonest than what we get from our own undistinguished politcos over here. DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 13:33, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Pro-Palestinian means that you support the Palestinian State's right to exist. In exactly the same way that the peace negotiators are trying to get Hamas to sign-up to the idea that Israel has a right to exist, a pro-Palestine stance means that you believe that Israel should sign up to a binding declaration that Palestine as a state and sovereign country has a right to exist, with an equal footing to Israel, including having Jerusalem as a shared capital between the two countries. The actual odds of Israel ever formally adopting the idea that Palestine as a state has the right to exist and actually sticking to that declaration–none. The Israeli political establishment doesn't want Palestine to exist any more than Hamas wants Israel to exist, hence perpetual conflict in the Middle East.

"Don't believe everything in the media", yes, good start. Next line, "Like what I just said" or "Instead, believe my lies". ħuman

02:06, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

She is truly an embarrassment. PACODOG ^{woof, bitches} 02:24, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

What you're missing is there is a ready market for this stuff; look at the comments of Ed Schultz & Mike Malloy, two regular stand-ins for Sen. cp:Al Franken's cp:Air America:

I really believe that what is happening in the Gulf is a classic of how we do need campaign finance reform. [3] (See:cp:Gulf oil spill disaster#British Petroleum).
Eric Holder, another cp:corporatist [read "fascist"], who is going to do the Devil’s work now and pretend that he is conducting a criminal investigation into the events that led to the oil gush [4] nobs^{don't bother me} 01:43, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

-- Ace ⁱ⁹ 01:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey Rob, Big Red Ed was never on AAR. Malloy had his own show, until shown the door. Al did not own AAR, he had a show on the network until he moved home to MN to run for the Senate. But the way you put it is much more imaginative. ħuman

02:22, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Earlobing Gin[edit]

Never mind Eyeballing Vodka, try earlobing Gin. The newest craze...(thanks to Nutty Roux for capturing history in action..)...Ace ⁱ⁹ 07:01, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Thelab.jpg

The lab
Labrat.jpg

The patient
Mytools.jpg

Tools
Lighthouse.PNG

The bottle
Ginshot.PNG

Recommended dosage
Firsttaste.PNG

First Taste
Process.PNG

Sounds good....
Argh.PNG

....Tastes even better
Ginmachismo.jpg

Result? Muy Machismo!

Now that's machismo that even Ken and/or Andy could be proud of! Gooniepunk2010 ^{Oi! Oi! Oi!} 07:04, 4 June 2010 (UTC)