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Saloon bar pokies.png

I opened the Saloon bar and at the top I saw 7 out of the 8 smileys were the same. If I had gotten all 8 what would I have won? - User 02:58, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Obviously the 50p jackpot prize. But yeah, interactive Wiki-based fruit machine? ArmondikoVmoral 10:03, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
I am so tempted to upload a heap of images now and try and make one. - User 10:12, 17 April 2009 (EDT)


Just received this email:

I visited your links page, http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Birth_control, and I would like to

exchange links with you from my web site: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Just reply to this email and I'll add a link if you promise to link back when your link is up.

We'd appreciate it if you place a link back to our site using the following HTML code (just copy and paste it into your links page):


Please link to us using the code above, and then please email me at linkmanager@mikeciaccio.com where we can find the link back to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Best regards, Mike C.


(links removed by Toast)

The links were to a commercial blog, part of which is: this page.
I have replied: "Thanks for the offer, but I don't think we want to link to commercial sites." and would recommend that anyone else give a similar reply should they be contacted. ToastToastand marmite 05:40, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Maybe you should forward it to Ken, I'm sure he'll only be too delighted for some scammers to link to his homosexuality and gonorrhoea page. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 06:23, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Heh! with a bit of luck "Mike C." will see this & take up the idea. ToastToastand marmite 06:27, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Funny, the redundant words and oddly formal style reminded me immediately of Ken. --IN SOVIET CANUCKISTAN, BEAVER DAMS YOU!!!YossarianThe Man from the USSR 13:14, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Eh, I just delete linkswap spam. If people want to link to my site(s), they can. If they think I might find theirs interesting, they can let me know where it is and why. I still probably won't link to them... ħumanUser talk:Human 15:16, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Googling while bored...[edit]

...and found this. Totnesmartin 18:06, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

I need to go to bed - took me far too long to catch that. Good find. --PsyGremlinWhut? 18:17, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
What the hell were you googling to find that?!? ArmondikoVmoral 19:15, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
"hitwin"? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:46, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Snatch Wars[edit]

Anyone not seen this yet? You are missing out. Now put the kettle on and fack off. ArmondikoVmoral 18:53, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Okay, now that's a funny link. "You're on thin fucking ice my pedigreed chums. And I shall be under it when it breaks. Now fuck off!" Mega 21:55, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
There's also a lot of Cockney slang in that. Any non-Brits (or Irish) care to venture a translation of "I'll cut off your Jacobs" and explain it for elventy million interpoints? Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:23, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Jacobs = Jacobs Crackers = Knackers. (in my defence, I once heard Michael Caine explain that one) --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:42, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Not a lot of people know that. Totnesmartin 13:18, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
That video is awesome. Makes me want to do a Blake's 7 version. Luke: "Shut down all the garbage compactors on the detention level!" R2D2 (as Orac): "This is a gross misuse of my capabilities! I do it only under protest." Of course I know of old that with Linux video editing tools, you're damn lucky if they don't segfault let alone edit video. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 05:49, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I didn't know what "Snatch" was (thought it was a UK TV show), so I you tubed it, came up with this Bricktop compilation, okay, now I get it. But it's not about the kind of snatch I'm into. Mega 08:47, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
'Tis a film, and a funny one at that. It's worth the money just to hear Brad Pitt do his appalling pseudo-Irish accent. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 13:07, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

One smart Republican...[edit]

...too bad nobody'll listen to this guy. TheoryOfPractice 19:50, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

McCain's daughter's pretty smart too. But yeah, saw that on CNN's site and was anticipating the comments on Fox and WND saying how he was an anti-Christian bigot, the reason McCain lost, etc.. ENorman 21:06, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
One reason for McCain losing IMO is that he stopped "wanting to win" after they saddled him with that religious nutjob as VP pick. No way he wanted her anywhere near the controls of the ship. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:52, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
If you think about it, the Dems went through a stage when they could only put up ridiculous candidates (Mondale, Dukakis), maybe it's the GOP's turn for a bit. At least Palin 2012 will give Obama a guaranteed 'nother 4 years. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:16, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
She better get out more, Mr. Obama is racing ahead of her on foreign policy cred every time he goes to a G-20 meeting. Mega 10:32, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I reckon 3 and a half years of recession would hammer any President's popularity to the point where Palin could have a chance in 2012. That's fucking scary! ArmondikoVmoral 15:47, 19 April 2009 (EDT)


Won't work, but still. . . --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 12:32, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Slot Machine[edit]

The ways you guys manage to abuse the wiki software never fails to amaze me. The slot machine rocks. However, having now played it eleventy times and I still haven't won, I'm starting to smell a fix... --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:09, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Worked for me, but no money came out of the computer. Totnesmartin 14:14, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Maybe if you put your credit card into that little slot in front of the PC, just under the cup holder? --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:22, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
A cup holder on a computer? Don't be... actually though, I did see one on a snowplough recently. Totnesmartin 14:25, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
WHY is it not on the bartop? User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 14:28, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I don't know, why don't you put it there :p Or perhaps just find a way of embedding this one, although that's not as fun as abusing Media Wiki. ArmondikoVmoral 15:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks for the compliment Psygremlin. It now has a link from the bartop so it can be played at any time. Glad to hear y'all like it. Smiley.gif. JĀvąṢ₡ä₰ hi there 15:37, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh I see Javascap is far less lazy than I. Good work man. - User 20:44, 19 April 2009 (EDT)


So farewell then J.G.Ballard.  Lily Ta, wack! 15:02, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Totnesmartin 15:03, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
That's sad. Still he had a good run. --PsyGremlinWhut? 15:11, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I loved me some Crash. At least he left us his work. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:58, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Really fucking weird. . .[edit]

Did anyone know this about Karajou? --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 15:41, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Yes, well all do. And no, it isn't Karajou. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:42, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
There goes that amusing factoid. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 15:43, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

It's been on our Karajou page since August. Totnesmartin 18:06, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Third world development[edit]

Just watched this video from TED. Great use of statistics. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 16:53, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Saga of the Mall Ninja[edit]

Just saw Observe & Report. It's no Superbad or Pineapple Express, but it's pretty good nevertheless. To get in the mood before seeing Observe, or just for the hell of it, I recommend reading the saga of the Mall Ninja. (And then probably feel just a wee bit superior because you don't live in America, amirite?) --Marty 01:59, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Millennialism is stupid[edit]

Eusebius, Eccl. Hist., III. xxxix., tr. Kirsopp Lake:

The same writer adduces other accounts, as though they came to him from unwritten tradition, and some strange parables and teachings of the Saviour, and some other more mythical accounts. Among them he says that there will be a millennium after the resurrection of the dead, when the kingdom of Christ will be set up in material form on this earth. I suppose that he got these notions by a perverse reading of the apostolic accounts, not realizing that they had spoken mystically and symbolically. For he was a man of very little intelligence, as is clear from his books.

I came across this passage the other day, and it reminded me of nothing so much as Slacktivist's Left Behind commentaries.  --Marty 02:05, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Er ... AAAARGH![edit]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder? ToastToastand marmite 07:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Just be careful if you start tinkering with your junk, google "bad plastic surgery" to see what I mean. Mega 09:20, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Xacly. Why look for trouble? ToastToastand marmite 10:09, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
By the time I'm getting up close and personal with someone's junk, I'm typically more thinking "this is awesome" as opposed to engaging in sort of aesthetic criticism. Reminds me of a blurb I read on the cover of a "Cosmo" once--it said something like "What He's Thinking the First Time He Sees You Naked: How to Hide Those Flaws in the Bedroom." Hey Cosmo--you know what he's thinking the first time he sees her naked? "Awesome. She's Naked." Corporations need to get the fuck off of women's bodies. TheoryOfPractice 10:47, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Is quite funny, the different forms though. Wonder what natural selection had to do with that? I suppose it's like men with a "size" problem which only they notice (generally) ToastToastand marmite 10:55, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
This made me tee hee hee. I love the variety of shapes and sizes of ladyparts. They are beautiful unto me. Please to not butcher. kthxbai. Thee Nuttish Talk 12:40, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
The paranoia put forth in that article is highly amusing, but it should be a no-brainer that (1) taking knives to things is not the way to improve their appearance, and (2) taking a knife to that will not come to any good. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 16:22, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Maybe they can go to Sudan or something, I hear they like to slice out women's tingles there. Mega 23:45, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

I say WIGO, you say WIGO[edit]

Im curious about something. How are people pronouncing "WIGO"? "Wig-oh"? "Why-go"? "We-go"? "Dubbleyoueyejeeyoh"? "Get a life Martin"? Totnesmartin 10:39, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

"Wee-guh" I think, but that could just be my accent. And thank you for getting me strange looks - and one "Where?" - in the office, as I practice saying it out loud. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:47, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Wig-oh. TheoryOfPractice 10:48, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
"Wig-oh" too. Taytopacket 10:49, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
"We-go" Neveruse513 10:52, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Wee-goh. ToastToastand marmite 10:53, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Ditto. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 10:55, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
"Why-go". Evil wisest Phantom Hoover! 11:05, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
But I used to pronounce WII (teh game thing) "Why Eye" like a geordie. ~~
We-go. SirChuckBCall the FBI 12:22, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Wig-oh. I don't think WIGO implies a longer vowel sound... ArmondikoVmoral 14:28, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Whygo. I've also heard wiggo. And, of course, I suppose most of us aren't pronouncing it out loud anyway, except the few who've made telephone contact. Speaking of which, has anyone who didn't already know each other met up IRL yet? ħumanUser talk:Human 14:31, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
We-Go for me. Can we rearrange these by national origin? I think it might be interesting. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I was thinking the same thing... Neveruse513 14:34, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

UK, or the cousins on the East of the Pond[edit]

USA, or the cousins on the West of the Pond[edit]

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 15:44, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Note to people who typed "wig-o[h]": that doesn't tell us how you "say" it... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:30, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Presumably "wig-o" means "wig" followed by "o": same syllables as "wiggo", but with less stress on the first syllable. Anyone who disagrees had better change their answer now. :) --Marty 21:45, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Canuckistan, or the Cousins from the Land of Snow[edit]

We-go --Kels 18:50, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Ex pats[edit]

UK to USA[edit]

  • Why-go ħumanUser talk:Human 15:20, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

USA to UK[edit]

Soviet Canuckistan to The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave[edit]

Wig-oh. TheoryOfPractice 10:48, 20 April 2009 (EDT)



Mystical Land of the Faeries[edit]

We-go. DogP 15:51, 20 April 2009 (EDT)


VeeGoh - as in we go to Paris larronsicut fur in nocte 17:28, 20 April 2009 (EDT)


What? you *say* that word in your head?--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"Such is life." 17:29, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

No, but if I had to say it. . . --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 19:25, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

  • Why-stay ħumanUser talk:Human 23:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Muslim Pronunciation[edit]

"Pokistan" --B.Hussein Obama.


Well, who's going to count the results then? Moan whine. DogP 02:39, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

IT IS PERNOWNCED WHY-GO if you are talking to me. Apparently, it's pernownced "wiggo" if you are confused. And no one pernownces it "Way to go". ħumanUser talk:Human 02:43, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Results are very close. Includng the Germanic pronunciation, vee-go, all forms that equate to "weee-go" are at 13. All forms that are NOT that form, are at 14. Or something. So the people who are clearly pronouncing it wrong have bloody gone and won. DogP 03:02, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Depends on your regional accent as well. Southern and Northern Brits have very different accents and pronounce words differently. But look how many people got involved! What a nice bonding activity. SuperJosh "crying into a flannel" 05:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
So, like all other mobocracy voting, the situation is even more ambiguous after voting... ArmondikoVmoral 05:50, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Vote? Who said anything about a vote? This was a sampling of linguistic trends. Totnesmartin 13:11, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Hey, who said it was over? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:20, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Durban II[edit]

This just showed up on Wikipedia's main page. I wonder how long it will take someone at Conservapedia to slap up a news bite about it under a tagline such as "RACISM AT THE U.N.!" Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 13:39, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

That thing is broken as shit. Look at the member list for such entities as the Commission on Human Rights and it's apparent that there is a fundamental flaw in the U.N. management of such things: they have no standards, which is directly a result of having no enforcement power. Which is in large part because the biggest countries in the world flout the UN routinely, because for decades the world's only superpower has either puppeteered it or ignored it when inconvenient. I love my country, but this is a major problem with the advancement of worldwide civil rights that can be laid squarely at our doorstep.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 06:38, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Ask, and ye shall receive. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:42, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

RW email[edit]

I had two messages on my user talk page that people had sent me emails, but I haven't received anything. I tried sending myself a message and still didn't get anything. So is anyone else having problems receiving email through the RW system? Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 14:49, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Works fine for me. What provider are you using? Evil wisest Phantom Hoover! 14:54, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I use my own domain names and have emails split three ways - to a standard POP account from my ISP, to Gmail and to another web-based account. It works fine if I send myself a message directly from my work account. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 15:18, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm using Gmail; which account do you use here? Evil wisest Phantom Hoover! 15:22, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
My own domain, which is redirected to the other accounts. Try sending me a message PH and I'll send you one (possibly). Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 16:01, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I've sent you test * 3 from RW & test * one from me. ToastToastand marmite 16:29, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Just sent a test to moiself and it came through fine. --PsyGremlinWhut? 04:32, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
I had the same problem some time ago, I couldn't receive any email sent through the wiki software (RationalWiki's or otherwise) and changing the email account wouldn't work. Eventually it fixed itself. NightFlare 05:03, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
When we went to the server in the potted plant next to Trent's desk, we had no mail function because it requires a working SMTP thing on the wiki's server. Trent eventually got something running, but I think it's a bit buggy - if it works at all. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:53, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
The hostname on the server was incorrect. It was using RationalWiki as the hostname, i.e. it was sending email as www-data at rationalwiki, which isn't a valid email address. The malformed email address might have been rejected by some servers. Also, sendmail (the program that sends mail - Captain Obvious) always tried to figure out the fully qualified domain name before sending mail, and gave up after a timeout, causing some delay (sending mail still worked though). I've fixed it so sendmail now sends email as www-data at rationalwiki.com, a valid email address. --  Nx/talk  17:04, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Stephen Hawking is "very ill"[edit]

Spare a moment for Stephen Hawking, who it seems is very ill. Here's to you Stephen, all the non-mad people in the world raise a toast to your health. DogP 15:49, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

I hope he gets better, <obscure Guardian reference>being only one of only seven people in the world to have read Brief History of Time.</reference> Evil wisest Phantom Hoover! 16:58, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I have read it twice so does that make me 2 of the 7? Ace McWickedbitch and moan 17:11, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
My 10-year old brother, very annoying like myself, has the book. So he's one-half. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 19:02, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

A miracle that he's lasted this long to be honest. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 18:15, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
If he dies, there will be a massive void of smarts and awesome in the universe, possibly proving the information paradox ENorman 18:43, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
He's "very ill"? He's been "very ill" for a great many years, cripes. Although for the sake of taking a turn for the worst (I'm hoping his decision to come to Canada is unrelated), he's got my best wishes as another of that 7. What are the chances most of us are on the same wiki? --Kels 18:47, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I think this time he's very very ill. Hope he gets another few years still. I make four... we probably are all here. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:56, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
We sure it's only seven? --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 19:02, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

May have been a misprint, seeing as it's the Grauniad. I've also read ABHOT, and I even understood it! But yeah, a thought for the greatest mind alive. Totnesmartin 19:06, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Well, he's never said he was the greatest, he seems to be fairly modest about what his contribution is. But if he dies and gets less publicity than Jade Fucking Goody there will officially be something wrong with the world. ArmondikoVmoral 19:41, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Fuck that Jade Goody fucks me off. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 02:56, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
One more reader here, which reminds me I haven't read the Bible yet... or The God Delusion... or any Discworld novel...
Whatever happens, his ability to introduce us lowly citizens to the world of such an advanced part of science is something that should be appreciated and remembered for longer than any lifetime. NightFlare 03:35, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Read it - many times. For about half an hour after putting it down I understand it but then the stoopid encroaches & the smarts vanish & I have to read it again. ToastToastand marmite 04:30, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

(outdent)This is a real shame, as he's one of the very few people who has raised the profile of science and even make it exciting. And all this from a man who has been immobile for most of his adult life.

About 10 years ago, when I was about to start a PhD in relativity theory, I went down to Cambridge with my supervisor to see Hawkin give a lecture. The lecture lasted about 40 minutes, all pre-recorded on his speech software. The funny thing is that when you see him on TV, they cut together shots of him tapping away on his keypad and talking simultaneously, but that's not how it happens in reality. At the end of the lecture, one of the students asked him a question, and Prof Hawkin started tapping out his reply. We all sat there patiently in respectful silence while the great man tapped away, but after nearly 15 minutes we were starting to shift uncomfortably in our seats. Then, finally, the reply came, which lasted less than a minute. And then you realise just what obstacles this man has to hurdle just to get by from day to day. Bondurant 04:34, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Quite amazing really. Quite how he can do it I have no idea. ArmondikoVmoral 05:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Latest: "Expected to be out of hospital tomorrow." ToastToastand marmite 14:10, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Any links for any of this news? Lynad Bunny! ...Agh! Don't hurt me! 15:25, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
I googled "Stephen Hawking ill" (without quotes) and found a lot of stuff. WP is also sort-of tracking it on their SH article, too. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:07, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Since we were discussing Hawking...[edit]

My top three physics/theoretical physics books -

Ace McWickedbitch and moan 19:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Not to knock his book or his science, but Kaku's radio show is probably the worst produced and run show I've ever heard. I now listen to it like I watch ghostbusters, for the lulz. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:10, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Well his book is awesome, within 2 chapters my brains were leaking out my ears and i couldn't sleep. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 20:18, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Cool. Wait, that's the result of almost every activity you engage in! Anyway, yeah, one of his was a NYT bestseller for a while last year - as he tediously repeats a half dozen times in each show. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:30, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Possible Debate[edit]

Move along drunks, nothing to see here. Visit the social club down the road for debate.