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Go ahead and chat, Sirs.

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Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:39, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

I think I'm pretty hip to this stuff. Go ahead and make me a sysop if you want. Or don't. I don't mind. Logicnsuch (talk) 22:44, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

When users tell you not to repeat the action

It's generally best not to repeat it. That page you made is not going anywhere beyond delete or your essayspace. The edits in God were salvaged only because I compromised a bit an incorporated it where it fits better. But the same goes for that Wix site you wanted to put in. You have to deal with not having content you want included if others don't agree with them; you can't keep pushing against people repeatly like that. It's not conductive to wiki editing. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:10, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, if you're going to delete my stuff, then go ahead and say why not. Give some good reasons. This is RATIONALWiki, after all. Logicnsuch (talk) 20:56, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
I would say drink to another "I thought this was RATIONALWiki!" punchline but I'm already drunk. You are a sucky user and I'd prefer if you went back to the crappy hole you hence crawled out of, and stay there. Legit, you haven't done anything remotely productive from what I've seen, so no thanks, go jump on VillainsWiki or something Click Link Or Gulag (talk) 02:48, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
See, when someone deletes a page, they tend to put a reason for why they're doing that. See? It's a stub, it wasn't sourced, and I did a cursory googling this "Guru Zeeza" and couldn't find anything to substantiate the article's claims. It was rightfully deleted. I've protected the article's name so you can't keep spamming us with it; if you want that protection removed, I need a darn good reason. Next customer. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:32, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
It turns out @GrammarCommie did it first, the fecker. But my demand still stands; he's just a part of it too. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:33, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit war one more time, get a block. You were let off too easily, but your disruptive constant recreating pages or reverting edits needs to stop now. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 04:26, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, I did something productive. I wrote most of the "Green Eggs And Ham Fallacy" page. Just search that and then click on "Everything". If you think it has potential, then make it not a draft anymore. Thanks. i'll step outta the edit warring from now on, but just so you know, Guru Zeeza is a real guy. I saw him performing in Arizona. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:47, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
Don't turn Green Eggs And Ham Fallacy into an essay, huh? It's not an essay, and it took a lot of effort to make. Aside from that, go on with whatever. Logicnsuch (talk) 22:29, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring.

Other users with more patience than I have requested that you cease this behavior, you have not. If, after your nine hour block is up and you continue I'll block you again, this time for 3.6 days. If you persist after that, I'll block you for a week. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:34, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Has anything I've done been THAT damaging? I just write a couple jokes here, put a little wit over there, put an item on the Clogosphere page... what have I done for all this? You can quit edit warring too, you know. I'm not posting Swastikas everywhere. Just quit re-reverting all my harmless little edits, unless they're complete tripe! Logicnsuch (talk) 22:37, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
Which reply would you prefer, the one in which I give you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, or the one where your feelings are spared? Because the sad truth is that they are two separate paths, neither of which converge on the other. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:43, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
How about we discuss the reasoning for these blocks a little more? Logicnsuch (talk) 22:47, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
That's what we're doing. Choose. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:48, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
I mean, when I make an edit, let's discuss the quality of the edit, and whether or not the article benefits from the edit, instead of assuming that everything I do is destructive. You overplay the severity, Sir. Logicnsuch (talk) 22:50, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
"I mean, when I make an edit, let's discuss the quality of the edit, and whether or not the article benefits from the edit..." That would be what we are doing, though the tone of that is up to you. Again, choose. "...assuming that everything I do is destructive..." I never said that. "...You overplay the severity, Sir." You're repeatedly attempting to misbehave, I am preventing you from doing so. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:59, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I exert my mod abilities just to say, you deserved a block for edit warring (in Extraterrestrial), as I have already given the signal to block if you repeat the action.. If you're complaining about the repercussions now, you should've tried changing your behavior or at least asking for clarification or contest when the warning has been administered (for the same reason: recreating pages after being deleted by several users, reverting more than twice), not try edit warring again. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:21, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

I concur with LeftyGreenMario. Bongolian (talk) 04:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't concur with him. I disagree heartily. Logicnsuch (talk) 01:11, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Her actually. You can disagree but if you want to improve your case then you should really listen, especially to more experienced user, and convince us you listened. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:27, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I have listened, Sir, and I disagree with most of what you've said, Sir. — Unsigned, by: Logicnsuch / talk / contribs
Like I said before. If you think we're being too hard on you, then please feel free to find some other online community where there aren't any rules, expectations for behavior, or enforcement mechanisms. I'm sure you'll enjoy yourself more there. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 21:29, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
I have followed all rules. I have made immense contributions to this wiki, and I've sprinkled in a few harmless little jests here and there that, for some reason, have been grossly exaggerated. Logicnsuch (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
You have repeatedly edit warred which is against the community standards. You were warned not to continue, said you would stop, and did it again anyway until you were blocked. It also doesn't help my perception of you when you twice call someone "sir" after they just told you "him" is incorrect. How have you made immense contributions? CowHouse (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
I said I would stop edit warring, and I did. After that, I simply made sure that good edits would remain where I put them. GrammarCommie and the others edit warred. They took my edits off to begin with. I did not. How's THAT for logic? Logicnsuch (talk) 20:51, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Vandal bin

Stop hand.png You have been vandal binned because of your recent edits. This means that you can only make one edit per 30 minutes. If you continue to make unwanted edits, you may be blocked without further warning.--CowHouse (talk) 05:36, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

I believe it's more fair to impose vandal bin only after the user has edit warred or recreated a deleted page after receiving the block by GrammarCommie. This user has done nothing so far aside after the block from contesting the block (though this is the only action Logicnsuch can do right now). --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
In my opinion, Logicnsuch should have been vandal binned instead of blocked but I can't control what GrammarCommie does. Logicnsuch is a serial offender in terms of edit warring and recreating deleted articles, so I'm surprised nobody else vandal binned them earlier. I disagree that it's the only action they can do right now. Logicnsuch could say they intend to improve, but that has not happened yet. If that happens, then it's fair to parole them. CowHouse (talk) 12:51, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I say we calm down a bit and chat about all my recent edits- then decide whether they stay or go. I appear to be the most rational one here. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:26, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Argument by assertion. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:29, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I'm not saying I AM the most rational one here. I'm up for debating that. But I sure don't deserve this here vandal bin thingy. It's very irritating. I'll slow down if ya go easy on preventing all communication. Just block every page except my talk page, Kay? Say, how bad was what I put on the Extraterrestrial page? I put the thing about the Alex Jones app on the Clogosphere page. I did that. No kidding. I am a constructive editor. Please cease your Destructive, counterproductive Vandalism and trolling, and quit these tiresome and lengthy bans which prevent constructive debate, and perhaps we can come to an understanding. Thanks. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:59, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Adding one WIGO doesn't make up for your edit-warring, page recreating, and general unruliness. I support leaving you in the bin until you truly demonstrate that you deserve parole. If that seems too harsh, you can try to find an online community that doesn't have rules and behavior standards and doesn't expect them to be followed. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:03, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Which exact edits of mine can be classed as vandalism and trolling respectively, and what qualifies them as such? Or are you merely throwing around accusations? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:15, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Well, you sure have tended to remove a bunch of my stuff relentlessly and without reason. I'd call that vandalism. Look, I'm serious. Go right on ahead and delete the Green Eggs and ham thing. I don't want it on here anymore. Also, quit the vandal bin thing, eh? Quite counterproductive to only be able to say anything every thrity seconds. Just on my talk page, don't do the 30 minute thing. All other pages, fine. But not here. glad we've discussed this. Go on and vaporize the Green Eggs And Ham thing. Thanks. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:00, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
"Well, you sure have tended to remove a bunch of my stuff relentlessly and without reason. I'd call that vandalism." Link the exact edits please. "Look, I'm serious. Go right on ahead and delete the Green Eggs and ham thing. I don't want it on here anymore." There's really no need to delete the article in question at this point. "Also, quit the vandal bin thing, eh? Quite counterproductive to only be able to say anything every thrity seconds. Just on my talk page, don't do the 30 minute thing. All other pages, fine." You've been given conditions that are easily met, if you're willing to put in the effort. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:21, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Logicsuch: That's not "vandalism" and it would be wise to not throw around that term. That "relentlessly" part was because you were readding content repeatedly, which is by definition edit warringWikipedia's W.svg and universally agreed to be unproductive wiki editing, including the few times I've warned to you in this talk page. You were edit warring in How do you know? Were you there?, Deepity, and Biology, to name some, and that's not including pages you repeatedly recreated like (Guru Zeeza, versions for sysops to check; and Dumb Argument versions)) There is a reason your edits were reverted (even in edit summaries): your edits are not "jokes" (other users can check this edit in Extraterrestrial, this edit in Biology, Extrasensory Perception. This not the first time we have to explain our actions to you, and it appears you're have a poor understanding of the concept of relevancy here, the whole Green Eggs and Ham fallacy issue, here, and here, and your reasoning for edit warrnig in Guru Zeeza. Your edit warring is agreed to be unacceptable, moreso that you're not really learning why your edits are reverted, and it doesn't help your case that you're accusing others of being vandals. Hence you are vandalbinned. You're the one not being productive here, and if you really care about being more productive, it would be best to take advice and make improvements to your edits. Sure, you made a few contributions here and there, but they're overall low quality and disruptive. If you want to get out of vandal bins and blocks, you should've learned earlier from our warnings, but you'll have to earn it now. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:25, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Logicnsuch, insisting that you are a constructive editor is not going to get you paroled. You have to, at the very least, say that you will not continue edit warring and recreating deleted articles. You still have not acknowledged that you have done anything wrong so why should you be paroled? I also suggest you look at our funspace articles as many of your edits would be more appropriate there. CowHouse (talk) 05:23, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

At this point, I think you have to demonstrate that you are a constructive editor before you are paroled. You said you would stop edit warring on September 14 but then did it again twice. CowHouse (talk) 06:04, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit wars only start because somebody is bugged by one little edit. The choice is yours- do you wish to edit war? I don't wish to edit war. I simply wish to edit. You can delete the Green Eggs and Ham thing. I'm serious. I don't want any duplicate articles on this wiki. Unlike you uncouth fellows, I have integrity and believe in the furthering of this fine wiki. I'm not saying you gotta un-vandal bin me everywhere- just here, on my dern talk page. Just un-vandal bin me here, all right? It's becoming very tiring to wait 30 minutes to say something. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:10, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
That's not how the mechanical features of the Vandal Bin program work. They apply to your entire account, not just specific pages. Further, statements such as "Unlike you uncouth fellows, I have integrity and believe in the furthering of this fine wiki." don't really help your case, they just make you a lot less likable. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:15, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Dude, the vandal bin is punitive. It's supposed to be tiresome and annoying. Also, "unlike you uncouth fellows?" Shit like that has the opposite effect of what you're going for. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 23:38, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey, I'm not sure if I can delete that Green Eggs And Ham Fallacy, or if I know how to do it, so please delete those pages. Thanks. Do it. Now. You uncouth fellows! Logicnsuch (talk) 00:15, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
RationalWiki:Community Standards: Avoid edit wars. If an edit you make is repeatedly reverted, or someone has otherwise objected to it, then discuss it on the article's talk page. It is the best possible way for editors to reach any sort of understanding or compromise. CowHouse (talk) 03:25, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Logicnsuch, as far as I'm aware you cannot be vandal binned on certain pages but not others. The alternative to the vandal bin would be to allow you to access your talk page but block you entirely from other pages. CowHouse (talk) 04:02, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, sure! Just go right on ahead and do that. I'd rather be able to yap constantly on here than to only be able to edit every page only every 30 minutes. I mean, right now, considering I'm a so-called "vandal" and all, what's the point of letting every page wide open to me? Just block me from every page except this one. I prefer that much more. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:36, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
As you wish. CowHouse (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

Problem with Green Eggs And Ham solved

Lefty Green Mario solved my quandary. What I call the Green Eggs And Ham Fallacy is, in fact, nothing more than Courtier's Reply. It is not the "were you there" thing, as that's too specific and applies only to Creationism. But it is Courtier's Reply. I can say that. I assumed I had found me own fallacy, but since you already have it cataloged and have an official term for it, you can remove my essay and forget entirely about it. As I said, I wasn't sure if anything had been created to describe that sort of thing. While it doesn't have much to do with most of the Fallacies I've heard about, it does indeed have a term. I never would have guessed. Thanks, Lefty Green Mario. I'd delete the essay myself, but I've been banned unnecessarily, so you smart fellas who like to flaunt your superiority can go on over there and vaporize the whole thing. No more troubles with that, anyway. I'll try and tone down the joke-y edits. I'm not sure if I can add any real sources, considering how extensive this whole great wiki is... but I'll try. Go right on ahead and remove me from vandal bin, now that the whole Green Eggs And Ham thing's been solved. I assumed you fellas didn't know about it. I guess you did. I can accept that. I'm reasonable. Anyway, just go right on ahead and delete the whole page that I spent about two hours writing and coding... no, I'm not being sarcastic. Logicnsuch (talk) 20:30, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Quit sulking, it makes you sound like a petulant child. Your article is just fine and dandy in Essayspace, where you can edit it whenever you want. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:37, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
While it may seem like the wiki is a vast resource, there are still coverage gaps. I myself had the impression not knowing what to contribute, but I pried a little further, and here I am. I just realized, for instance, that the CDC Whistleblower controversy wasn't covered at all, which was a major coverage gap, but I'm sure you can find resources. Our stubs are endless, a lot of articles require expansion. The widely known Stanford prison experiment is a sham, and our talk pages address the need to rewrite the article for instance. I don't know how well-versed you are in critical thinking but it's also all right if you want to learn by just reading our articles first and then maybe checking out sources like Respectful Insolence or Encyclopedia of American Loons or Snopes. I don't know your interests, I may or may not be able to recommend more resources. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:32, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
The chicken coop is a more productive way of dealing with this than ranting about it here. БaбyЛuigiOнФire(T|C) 21:33, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
We're not even close to minimum headless chicken mode. I don't suggest going there. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 21:34, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
He's requesting to get unvandal binned in his rant, hence why I think it's more appropriate for there than requesting it here. БaбyЛuigiOнФire(T|C) 21:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Passive-aggressive whining isn't enough to convince me that he should be let out of the bin. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 22:35, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
Hey, Green Eggs And Ham Fallacy is still a page. Please remove it. Thanks. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:41, 24 September 2018 (UTC)
No. БaбyЛuigiOнФire(T|C) 02:19, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
You call yourself a responsible admin to let double pages like that float around? Do away with it! Logicnsuch (talk) 22:07, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
It has already been deleted. CowHouse (talk) 11:46, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
Good job. Quite efficient. Logicnsuch (talk) 20:48, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

My Nephew Hacked My Account!

Hey. My nephew hacked my account a few days after I created it. He's been having some jollies while I've been away. Unblock me, and I'll do my darndest to keep his little peanut-butter smudged fingers outta this. I'm gonna change my password. Again, sorry for the inconvenience. He is going to get a swift talking to. Logicnsuch (talk) 20:49, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

You know, I get that stolen accounts happen. But stolen rationalwiki accounts? By kids? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:55, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Yeah. he's getting his weekly candy ration taken out, I'm sure of that. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:06, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Forgive me for holding you to a higher standard than most people who ask for ban forgiveness, but... can you substantiate this claim in any way at all? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:15, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Lemme see... everything from the past two or three weeks, roughly, has been Timmy. He's chuckling over there in the corner right now. Little brat. I'll tell his parents to take away his choo-choo for the week. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:20, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
(Just to be clear, you know I'm not taking this at all seriously, right?) ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:40, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
Arrgh, Timmy. He's done this before- once. I'm not letting him near this PC again, you can be sure of that. Also, his choo choo is getting taken away. No more choo choo for him. Little ragamuffin. He's screaming. Hang on. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:48, 2 October 2018 (UTC)
It's your responsibility to keep your account locked away. I'm not prepared to believe your story because your behavior has not really changed nor was there a drastic drop in edit quality (not that there is much edit quality). "My kids 'hacked' my account" is one of the oldest playing cards in the book and it's rarely convincing. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:06, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
Don't you worry- I told Timmy that everybody on here knows what he did. He's not getting Fortnite Tuesday, you can be sure of that. If there's ever anything suspicious on this account again, just feel free to delete it, and if Timmy keeps edit warring, then just block him for a day or two. he really took advantage of my trip to Fresno. He's not my kid- he's my nephew. But I'll keep him away from this account now, I swear. Logicnsuch (talk) 20:42, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
When exactly did Timmy wish himself into the Internet and messed with your account? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:03, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Possible resolution

@LeftyGreenMario, you, as well as other users, seem to think that children hacking one's account is but a "rarely convincing" excuse, and that it was Logicnsuch themself behind all their actions all along. On the other hand, Logicnsuch blames it on their nephew, Timmy, although @Ikanreed is "not taking this at all seriously".

Please calm down. These two propositions are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps both sides are correct. Logicnsuch is possibly their own nephew, Timmy. It is quite conceivable that one of Logicnsuch's parents has a special relationship with Logicnsuch's sibling, and the outcome is, of course, Logicnsuch.

No, this is no dumb argument. The effects of such a phenomenon has been documented. In particular, this potentially powerful hypothesis could explain Logicnsuch's supreme intelligence when it comes to editing, grasping analogies, and well as understanding how welcome he is here.

This also raises the question: just as Logicnsuch is Timmy, could he also be Guru Zeeza, Videos for People, and the owner of Thebestnews as well? If demonstrated, RationalWiki can certainly be proud that it has choo-chooed humanity one station closer to the Theory of Everything. (talk) 13:24, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

Here's the low down- Timmy, I assume, did all that stuff about Guru Zeeza, Videos For People, and The Best News, whatever that is. I come back to this site, find everything in a complete shambles- Timmy's a fan of that channel, Videos For People. I tell him it's dumb, but he calls it high art or whatever. I'm not Timmy, Timmy ain't me, and you can be sure, I'm keeping him the Hell out of here from now on. If anything looks suspicious, then go ahead, ban his little keister for a while- no kidding. You can do that, and I'll tell him that I've given you complete permission to do that. But, as for me, I have some interesting things to say, so lemme back on here, and I'll make this account far more secure. Logicnsuch (talk) 22:12, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Why don't you simply create a new account under a different name, and write this account off to hackery? Cosmikdebris (talk) 22:38, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Why would I do that? Can't you unblock this one? Logicnsuch (talk) 23:25, 5 October 2018 (UTC)
Why would Cosmikdebris do that? Can't Cosmikdebris extend your block? Preemptively, perhaps, lest your other "ragamuffin" identities say "some interesting things"? (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
We sympathize with the need to make your account more secure. Maybe a secure solution would be to post your account password publicly here, so that we can close your account and henceforth keep your little peanut-butter smudged fingers outta here. (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
No need to do that- I put a lock on my door. I don't think Timmy'll get anywhere near here anytime soon. Just go ahead and unblock me. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:31, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
No need to unblock you. Quite the opposite- unblocking you isn't the way to "go ahead", it's going in reverse. Going ahead means extending your block, putting a lock on your account. That way, we don't think you will be able to be "constructive" here anytime soon, which is great!
But just in case you still have "some interesting things to say", you may post them in the comments section of Guru Zeeza's website. Being a supremely relevant and well-documented figure of our time, I'm sure the good guru's site is highly popular even among RationalWiki users, so don't you worry that your ramblings fall upon deaf ears.
While we're in a spiritual mood, we invite you to join us in the following devotion:
In the name of the mods and the mops of the mob,
Just go ahead and extend Logicnsuch's block
For ever and ever. r'Amen. (talk) 09:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Why would I go on that website? I want to edit around here. I'm not sure what Timmy did while he was on here, but you can remove anything you think looks iffy. From here on out, I'll add credible sources, a few details, etc. Timmy's been punished. Got his choo choo taken away from him, I convinced his mom to do that. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:56, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

How To Tell Me From Timmy

Some of you refuse to believe that Timmy hacked my account, so I'll give you an easy way to tell us apart. Timmy edit warred while he was on here, right? If I edit something, and you take it away, and I don't edit war, then it's me for sure, since I'm not immature as Hell. If there's any edit warring, then it's Timmy, and I will scold him to the best of my ability. How about that? Solution? You can unban me now, and I will add usually only reliable sources and straight facts- no jokes. If a jokes seems not funny or not to your preferences, then it's Timmy. Agreed? you can unblock me, and if Timmy pops on here, you can block him until I get back. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Tell Cosmo and Wanda to screw off. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
No idea who those are, but I'm telling you, this is a surefire way to tell me from Timmy on here. OK? Go ahead and unblock me now, and I'll install a lock on the door so Timmy can't get in. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
Timmy's been punished.
Aww... , Logicnsuch/Timmy, cheer up. However, it is doubtful that referring to oneself in third person is an effective way of dealing with grief.
From here on out, I'll add credible sources, a few details, etc.
I will add usually only reliable sources and straight facts- no jokes.
A blocked user that has the privilege of editing his talk page can start drafting a new article under a newly created section at the bottom of the talk page. If the content is well-received, other users can copy and paste the content onto a new page on that user's behalf. Alternatively, the user can do so himself once his block expires. Adding credible sources, a few details, etc. can really demonstrate one's sincerity, and can help one re-earn the trust of other users in the community.
But we know that vandals like Logicnsuch wouldn't do that...
If I edit something, and you take it away, and I don't edit war, then it's me for sure
If a jokes seems not funny or not to your preferences, then it's Timmy.
this is a surefire way to tell me from Timmy on here.
How convenient.
Muh behavior good.
No it isn't.
Oh that was not muh true behavior. Unban me pl0x.
Good thing we know that Timmy and a certain Logicnsuch is the same person.
I want to edit around here.
Vandals that want to edit around here shouldn't be allowed to. Much less the unrepentant ones who try to shift the blame.
you can remove anything you think looks iffy.
That will be too late. And that's why Logicnsuch's block should be extended preemptively.
But better be late than never. Perhaps let's start with removing the deceitful assertions regarding the separate existence of Logicnsuch and Timmy.
You can unban me now
Go ahead and unblock me now.
Not only should Logicnsuch's block be extended preemptively, perhaps a ceremony should be organized to celebrate his simultaneous entry into the vandal bin and the chicken coop.
I'm not sure what Timmy did while he was on here
The inbreeding required to create an offspring who is his own nephew appears to have a negative effect on the memory of the said offspring.
I'm not immature as Hell.
It is quite common for the immature to still be interested in choo-choos.
Got his choo choo taken away from him.
There, there. We know you are sad, but trust us that in a few short years time, you will be less interested in choo-choos, and more interested in playthings that are spelled similarly but without the c's (possibly including LeftyGreenMario's). That is of course, dependent on the assumption that your mental age develops at a normal rate, which could be quite far-fetched considering your behavior on this website and your intertwined ancestry.
I convinced his mom to do that.
Hmm, as you are your own nephew, ... his mom, your mom, his sister, and your sister are all the same person, isn't it? We know this can be a hard thing to swallow, but that's precisely what she should not have been made to do. (talk) 09:34, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Doesn't matter who is behind this account. I won't extend the block, but if this account makes a bad edit that's another block. Simple. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:09, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
So what you're saying is that I have to wait until October 26 because of what Timmy did? Look here. Unblock me now, see what I do, and if I do nothing, and don't edit war, then you'll know I'm not Timmy. If I do, which I won't, then you can go ahead and think I'm Timmy for the rest of your natural lives, and block me till the ends of the Earth. I'm not a vandal. Timmy is. Unblock me, I'll prove to you that I'm not Timmy, and then the conflict can be over- or, if I vandalize, which I won't, then go ahead and block me. You have nothing to lose. This is a good way to prove it. Give me, say, two weeks to prove I'm not Timmy. Okay? All you have to do is press the unblock button. It would be only rational. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey, just go ahead and unblock me now. Logicnsuch (talk) 21:56, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
I have to wait until October 26
Hopefully, that will be October 26 of next year. And every time a new year comes around, hopefully it will be the October 26 of the year following that.
You have nothing to lose.
Time is lost. Time has to be spent monitoring Logicnsuch, and spotting the trollish edits that he will slip in. Time has to be spent reverting these edits. Time has to be spent blocking Logicnsuch, and entertain the needless silly drama that will inevitably follow.
Give me, say, two weeks to prove I'm not Timmy.
If I do, which I won't, then you can go ahead and think I'm Timmy for the rest of your natural lives, and block me till the ends of the Earth.
Logicnsuch's pathetic attempt to trick us into letting our guard down after two weeks of pretense and "good behavior" has not gone unnoticed.
It's not a matter of if Logicnsuch will vandalize, but a matter of when, because we know that he will. Logicnsuch's insistence on propagating the falsehood about the separate existence of Timmy is sufficient evidence of this.
A solution has been already proposed- Logicnsuch drafting good material on this talk page to earn back trust- but alas, Logicnsuch clearly has no intention of contributing constructively to this website, only the opposite in fact. Another proposed solution was that Logicnsuch be blocked, and that he can release his emissions in the comments section of Guru Zeeza's website, but this solution was also not considered. The best solution of all was proposed at 08:44, 6 October 2018 (UTC)- that Logicnsuch posts his account password openly here so we can close his account, but it was also not adopted.
Yet Logicnsuch obstinately pushes for his impractical non-solution- that he be unblocked.
If we were to really unban him, only to find that Logicnsuch engages in fiendish vandalism as expected, we have a feeling that he will either blame Timmy (which is technically not wrong, since he is Timmy), or conjure yet another "ragamuffin" identity to deflect the blame towards, and then plead to be unbanned, and so on. In LeftyGreenMario's words, that will be "wish[ing made-up identities] into the Internet".
Speaking of made-up ragamuffin identities, this brings us to the exposé in the following section. (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)


Guru Zeeza: An exposé

In the comments section of the awful Guru Zeeza website, if one hovers the mouse over the words that indicate when the comment was posted (e.g. "n days ago", "one month ago"), one gets to see the timestamp of when the comment was posted (e.g. Sep 14, 2018 1:21 AM). I've converted these timestamps to UTC; hopefully this was done properly.

Here are some "coincidences" regarding the timings of Logicnsuch's edits on RationalWiki, and those of certain comments on the Guru Zeeza website.

On the Guru Zeeza website

  • You saved me! THANK YOU!!! - Ron (Sep 14, 2018 1:21 AM)
  • You are the best guru I know. from the bottom of my heart, thank you for curing mky cancer. - Janice (Sep 14, 2018 1:21 AM)
  • Such things come from true magic. There is no science involved. - Gus (Sep 14, 2018 1:22 AM)

Hmm, three completely separate ragamuffin identities commenting within seconds of each other?

But lo, that's not it! Then conveniently came the moronic justification that Guru Zeeza really exists and has a website. Take note of the timestamp.

On RationalWiki (specifically, on User:GrammarCommie's talk page)

But that's all just a coincidence right? There's no way this WIX site was specifically created to be a pathetic excuse to justify the idiotic notion of Guru Zeeza allegedly being 100% real.

Or perhaps this was all attributable to "Timmy", who is totally someone else. The mystery deepens.

The sequel

Then came a trick- a trick that worked.

At 09:50, 7 October 2018 (UTC), by alluding to the comments section on Guru Zeeza's website on this talk page, a certain BoN reminds all about its existence. Even Logicnsuch himself gets reminded about the comments section. He responds (as himself):

On RationalWiki (on this talk page)

  • Why would I go on that website? I want to edit around here. I'm not sure what Timmy did while he was on here, but you can remove anything you think looks iffy. From here on out, I'll add credible sources, a few details, etc. Timmy's been punished. Got his choo choo taken away from him, I convinced his mom to do that. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:56, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh, so Guru Zeeza was Timmy's doing, isn't it? After all, according to Logicnsuch earlier,

  • Here's the low down- Timmy, I assume, did all that stuff about Guru Zeeza, Videos For People, and The Best News, whatever that is. [...] Logicnsuch (talk)

But not long after, ...

On the Guru Zeeza website

  • I do not rational, Wiki. I am not from that, please Sporitual Enlightement of the soul. - Guru Zeeza (The TRUE Guru) (Oct 7, 2018 8:01 PM)
  • No such thing, I do no know which yoo are speaking of. - Guru Zeeza (The TRUE Guru) 7 days ago (Oct 7, 2018 8:08 PM)
  • I am all wise, I do not know such things, but Transcendence is closer than you know. - Guru Zeeza (The TRUE Guru) (Oct 7, 2018 8:09 PM)
  • I am not do such aa thing, I am available Tuesdays and Fridays for appointment only, in Arixzona. I do not kno why such hings. - Guru Zeeza (The TRUE Guru) (Oct 7, 2018 8:15 PM)
  • I do not know where such a thing could come from. I heal people, therapy, indian spirituality, please svhedule. - Guru Zeeza (The TRUE Guru) (Oct 7, 2018 8:18 PM)

Were the closeness of the RationalWiki and the Guru Zeeza website comment timings all coincidences again?

But that's not it!

At 23:31, 12 October 2018 (UTC), LeftyGreenMario suggested Logicnsuch to tell "Cosmo and Wanda to screw off". Again, take note of the timing of the response to her comment:

On RationalWiki (on this talk page)

  • No idea who those are, but I'm telling you, this is a surefire way to tell me from Timmy on here. OK? Go ahead and unblock me now, and I'll install a lock on the door so Timmy can't get in. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:41, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Surely enough, not long before, another ragamuffin identity gets wished into the Internet:

On the Guru Zeeza website

  • Thank you, Zeeza, for curing my chronic melanoma. you did it with your hands. A thousand blessings. I will never forget you. - Logan (Oct 12, 2018 11:32 PM)
  • And stop, Trolls. Guru Zeeza is a blessed old man. he deserves respect. he save people. - Logan (Oct 12, 2018 11:33 PM)

B-but it was all "Timmy" right? There's a lock on the door, but Timmy still managed to access Logicnsuch's PC within minutes of the latter editing RationalWiki. Did the transcendent guru's powers help Timmy walk through the locked door, and engage in trollish behavior like identity-fabrication that is indistinguishable from Logicnsuch's own actions on RationalWiki?

Why would someone feel compelled to maintain the illusion of Guru Zeeza's existence, if not for planning to harp about it later ad nauseam when one's block ends? When (again, not "if") Logicnsuch continues to push for the inclusion of his Guru Zeeza nonsense- or similar garbage- on RationalWiki once his block expires, what do you think will happen? More made-up personalities to take the blame for similarly made-up concepts like the Sequeira War Alternative and the Green Eggs and Ham fallacy? Stay tuned! (talk) 09:44, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Logicnsuch and drive-by BoN on a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:02, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Look, clearly, you fellows are getting your jollies out of this. Now, I don't know what the Hell Timmy's been doing- I haven't installed the lock yet, but it will be installed by Tuesday at the latest. I'm not going to punish him for anything he does on the Guru Zeeza website- he probably made that whole thing up on his tablet, and if he didn't, then it could be that you're harassing some random fraud out there. As for timing, I have no explanation for that, except that maybe Timmy posted all this stuff at once. The Wix site looks like pretty much anybody can post, under any persona, so I can imagine Timmy posting that stuff on there like crazy, still trying to pull over this whole "Guru Zeeza" shtick. Or- maybe, it could just be that Gurur Zeeza is a real person, maybe Timmy found out about him, and Guru Zeeza is mad about how you guys over here at RationalWiki keep spamming him about the stuff that Timmy did on here. Either way, I have nothing to do with whatever's going on over at the Guru Zeeza website. The whole thing is weird, I WILL ask Timmy about if he posted that stuff, and punish him accordingly, or force him to delete that website, but for now, just let me back on. I'll take care of the entire thing, and you can harass Timmy's little keister on the Guru Zeeza website if you want, to let him know that he's not fooling anybody. Say I said so. Logicnsuch (talk) 19:46, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
You should really hire Vicky, I hear she's a good babysitter. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:09, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Actually, Timmy will be gone by October 30, so after that, he'll be gone for good. You can quit fooling around now. I haven't asked Timmy if he was behind that Guru Zeeza site yet, but I am 99% sure. Don't be a child. Let me on here. Kay?Logicnsuch (talk) 20:11, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
It should have dawned on you after the first 20 times asking that we won't unblock you. You seem to share little Timmy's lack of pattern recognition. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 21:19, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
I AM NOT TIMMY. How many times do I have to say this? Jeesh, how is any of this rational? Logicnsuch (talk) 21:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
"But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink! Cosmikdebris (talk) 23:03, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
Once more, highly irrational. Unblock me now. Logicnsuch (talk) 16:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
No. Don't like it? Tough shit. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:31, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
I thought this was supposed to be RATIONAL Wiki! Logicnsuch (talk) 22:44, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
𝖅um 𝖂ohl! (talk) 13:00, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Kind of weird how this one IP has such an obsession with this Logicnsuch-Timmy business. Maybe 77 is Logic/Timmy and this is all a very elaborate prank. (talk) 15:20, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Shh! Please don't expose this, huh.
Great pains have been taken to keep this up. ((( Controlling both sides of a manufactured "debate" ))) requires the repeated signing in and out as appropriate, switching between writing styles, and so on - just for the sake of winning in the end, and perhaps some amusement for the few that share the sense of humor. As a BoN yourself, surely you must know what it takes to keep others from being suspicious of any connection between your BoN identity and that of your main account. (talk) 15:58, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Rectification of names

I AM [...] TIMMY. How many times do I have to say this?
—Logicnsuch, 21:56, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

According to the Analects, the Master said, "If names be not correct, language is not in accordance with the truth of things. If language be not in accordance with the truth of things, affairs cannot be carried on to success."

Hence the request at RationalWiki:Requests to change username to change Logicnsuch's name to "Logicnsuch (i.e. Timmy)". It is doubtful that this effort will be successful, but hopefully, veritas vincit - truth prevails. Cheers. (talk) 13:00, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

It has already been reverted. 'Tis a sad day. (talk) 13:05, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Timmy will be gone in a few days, so you can unlock me then. Thanks. I look forward to contributing to this great wiki of yours. Logicnsuch (talk) 16:22, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey, let's unblock me now, huh? Thanks. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:57, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Hey, why did you engage in illogical spamming, huh? I thought you were supposed to be LOGIC nsuch! (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Well, I'm not sure how I can convince you that I'm not Timmy. I tried using humor. You know, because it's very cowardly to refuse to respond to queries about the Rationality of this Wiki, since you refuse to unblock me even after I've assured you there's no danger from Timmy anymore. You can play your stupid drinking game if you want- just unblock me, huh? The lock has been installed on the door, the Home Depot guys came over, Timmy has been punished by his parents, and he'll be gone in just a few days. Enough blocking. Just unblock me. Thanks. Logicnsuch (talk) 17:17, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Unblock me, huh? Logicnsuch (talk) 21:41, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
You ask one more time, and I will extend your block for 3 more days. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:21, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
I can unblock you and return you to the vandal bin if that is preferable. Otherwise, just wait until the block ends. CowHouse (talk) 06:56, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
All righty, I'll wait, if you truly can't unblock me right this very moment. Logicnsuch (talk) 23:34, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Blocktober's grand total (talk) 13:59, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Great point! Logicnsuch (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for the unblock. Timmy will not return, I can guarantee that. Logicnsuch (talk) 17:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)


Blocking trolls is the best Sequeira War Alternative to edit wars.

"Timmy" is a fiction you invented to cover your ass when you got caught. It's also an insult to think such a transparent ploy would work.
—GrammarCommie, 02:02, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

The contents of the deleted pages on Guru Zeeza, Dumb Argument, Gyrocles, and the Logicnsuch phenomenon, as well as other information, are available in the comments section of the Guru Zeeza website, while it still exists. (talk) 15:51, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

And here's another account that was permabanned for ban evasion last week- and you will find that its writing style was very similar to that of LNS- and not to mention their interest in this "Nicolas Sequeira" guy; sound familiar? --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSteal my ideas 01:57, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. Your valuable observations have been added to the list. (talk) 07:47, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
Oh, and I've got two more that Illogicnsuch had previously used a couple of days before Happyfolk to spam the Saloon Bar with his stupid self promotion- and they both also appear to be interested in an <sarcasm>extremely popular</sarcasm> youtube movie (that has only 98 views, one of which is mine when I clicked the link in the old Saloon Bar revision) that was, as always, made by an <sarcasm>extremely relevant</sarcasm> YouTube channel with subscribers in the lower single-digits. --Goatspeed. See what I'm up toCircularREmail2.gifasoningSteal my ideas 21:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC)