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RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation/Archive47
Request for interaction ban with Ace McWicked[edit]
He clearly won't leave me alone despite multiple times, especially months ago when I made a simple request and he responded with a meltdown filled with personal attacks. I'd like an interaction ban with him. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 22:13, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Slightly weak oppose - I saw some of the abuse, and it was quite severe. However, IMO, it doesn't justify an IBAN.
- Pros to an iban:
- It will stop needless flamewars.
- He already had one, it helped.
- Said user has insulted LGM multiple times.
- Cons to an iban:
- If LGM becomes mod (99%), it would deny Ace contact, and that would be 16⅔% of our moderator fleet.
- The incident mentioned was in August, he might have matured since then.
- What he did today was over an honest mistake, and you don't get ibanned for mistakes, unless it's shear incompetence which wasn't displayed.
- Preventative, not punitive.
- Pros to an iban:
- For those reasons, I am not sure if an iban is justified and would be slightly against it. --Andrew5 (talk) 22:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- If Ace is denied contact, he could ask other mods to ask me. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 22:36, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- For the future, we don't do our votes like Wikipedia does it. Support/oppose is not how we do things around here; it's just a general vote (with some eligibility criteria). -- Techpriest (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ik I'm late, but per wp:WP:NOTAVOTE, which I have reminded people on Wikipedia (albeit in flawedways and in the latter, a flawed proposal.). --Andrew5 (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- And we aren't wikipedia. -- Techpriest (talk) 11:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Ik I'm late, but per wp:WP:NOTAVOTE, which I have reminded people on Wikipedia (albeit in flawedways and in the latter, a flawed proposal.). --Andrew5 (talk) 23:10, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- For the future, we don't do our votes like Wikipedia does it. Support/oppose is not how we do things around here; it's just a general vote (with some eligibility criteria). -- Techpriest (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- If Ace is denied contact, he could ask other mods to ask me. --It's-a me,
Let's do this to a vote[edit]
This vote has been closed. Please do not add, remove or change votes. The result of this vote was: 7-13 for Nay. Not implemented -- Techpriest (talk) 14:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Criteria are simple; Interaction Ban between Ace McWicked and LeftyGreenMario. Vote whichever way you prefer. Vote lasts 7 days. -- Techpriest (talk) 23:40, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Yay[edit]
Nay[edit]
Goat[edit]
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Brief timeline of events...[edit]
- I questioned why a user was blocked on the talkpage for said user because they asked why they had been blocked but no response was given.
- I asked the blocker for an explanation (thinking LGM was a mod). I did so without swearing and politely.
- I was advised LGM wasn't a mod.
- I apologised to LGM and began discussing it with Bongolian who is a mod
- LGM then engaged with me on Bongolian's talk page - not the other way around
- I questioned the block further because there was never an explanation given for the block.
- And yeah - that's it. I in no way abused LGM. I apologised and took it off LGM's talkpage to someone elses where LGM engaged with me.
- So yeah - I did nothing impolite, apologized for my error in thinking LGM was a mod. Still no explanation was given to the user why they were blocked by LGM. So yes, I will query an unfair block and did so without rancor. Which deserves this action? LGM still hasn't explained the block to anyone - including the actually user who was blocked even though asked directly. Acegodfuckingdamnit 23:56, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- LGM, just so we don't have to go through this entire case adjudicating this question, could you give a rundown as to why you blocked the user? I have my own suspicions and likely affirmations, but I'd just like it out of the way. -- Techpriest (talk) 23:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- [1] --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 00:00, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- Given the past interaction with Ace and his inability to be respectful, I have zero inclination to believe he was polite and respectful and willing to hear me out. Lack of swearing and personal attacks is NOT the same as being polite. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 00:04, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- You blocked someone and I asked for reasoning as I saw none. You didn’t even explain to the user why you blocked them. That is all that happened. Acegodfuckingdamnit 00:43, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- This reason was made after Bongolian queried in the talk page, which I tried to help jog Bonglian's memory as well. I also noted suspicion with the new account several times[2][3][follow-up edit] especially in response to another person also suspecting this user,[4][5] (GC even said he'll be "kicking" both of them), and we had prior concern trolls like Dunbar and Reefyc which this user acted like, which is in the first link I shared here. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 04:38, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- Anytime someone has said some suspicions as to why the ban was possibly justified, you've gone into a concern troll / red herring routine to deflect. So, Ace, have you stopped beating your wife yet? PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 07:01, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- This reason was made after Bongolian queried in the talk page, which I tried to help jog Bonglian's memory as well. I also noted suspicion with the new account several times[2][3][follow-up edit] especially in response to another person also suspecting this user,[4][5] (GC even said he'll be "kicking" both of them), and we had prior concern trolls like Dunbar and Reefyc which this user acted like, which is in the first link I shared here. --It's-a me,
- You blocked someone and I asked for reasoning as I saw none. You didn’t even explain to the user why you blocked them. That is all that happened. Acegodfuckingdamnit 00:43, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- [1] --It's-a me,
- LGM, just so we don't have to go through this entire case adjudicating this question, could you give a rundown as to why you blocked the user? I have my own suspicions and likely affirmations, but I'd just like it out of the way. -- Techpriest (talk) 23:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
For those that couldn’t hear me from the back...[edit]
A summary:
- After months of looking at RW but never really engaging with anyone I stumble upon someone asking on their talk page why they were blocked.
- I check the logs and can’t see any reason for the block.
- I see LGM was the blocker so ask her for her reasoning.
- She says to leave her alone.
- I thought LGM was still a mod so suggested as a mod she should explain herself.
- I am advised LGM is no longer a mod so I apologise and move on to Bonglian (who is a mod) to ask about the block.
- LGM follows me to Bonglain’s page to complain, even though I haven’t actually done anything wrong.
- LGM files a case against me in the mod corner because... I’ve given her PTSD or something.
- So the above actions have lead to all this. Really guys? Really? Acegodfuckingdamnit 23:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
- I see LGM was being harsh to you. I also see you failed to account for your misgendering of LGM (although you have called her female this time). Perhaps you can apologize for misgendering her? Then I will be ok to vote against this. --Andrew5 mobile (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- You want to talk about misgendering then start another mod case. Acegodfuckingdamnit 00:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I even suggest PTSD, and that you bring it up to try to mischaracterize my experience with you is downright vile. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 01:14, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Wait, LGM is female? I just thought, Mario and all. Sorry if I referred to you as a male before. CorruptUser 04:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, since LGM has a pic of a mustached Italian man in her signature, it's pretty easy to assume she's a guy.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 05:03, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm female. Must be a really weird revelation, is it, CorruptUser? I also don't blame anyone thinking I'm a man though. If people do refer to me as male, I occasionally don't correct them either, kinda like not correcting grammar errors. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 06:01, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- I actually thought LGM was male at first, I just tried not to make a gender assumption. I would recommend LGM add something like (she/her) in her signature to signify she is female, or add in a color like pink. Andrew5 mobile (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'm female. Must be a really weird revelation, is it, CorruptUser? I also don't blame anyone thinking I'm a man though. If people do refer to me as male, I occasionally don't correct them either, kinda like not correcting grammar errors. --It's-a me,
- Yeah, since LGM has a pic of a mustached Italian man in her signature, it's pretty easy to assume she's a guy.
- Wait, LGM is female? I just thought, Mario and all. Sorry if I referred to you as a male before. CorruptUser 04:46, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- Nowhere did I even suggest PTSD, and that you bring it up to try to mischaracterize my experience with you is downright vile. --It's-a me,
- You want to talk about misgendering then start another mod case. Acegodfuckingdamnit 00:08, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- I see LGM was being harsh to you. I also see you failed to account for your misgendering of LGM (although you have called her female this time). Perhaps you can apologize for misgendering her? Then I will be ok to vote against this. --Andrew5 mobile (talk) 00:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes, sometimes I attempt to pick up on it via actions. Problem - males can act female and Vice versa. As such I would not recommend that . Andrew5 mobile (talk) 17:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
- If someone is that clueless, look at the person's user page first before spouting off or use neutral language. In the case of LGM, it's clear from the userboxen (User:LeftyGreenMario). Bongolian (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Can we retire from this nonsense now?[edit]
Yeah. Acegodfuckingdamnit 22:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- Please. Scream!! (talk) 22:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- As much as it is 11-7 against and will take 15 "yea" votes to overturn, I don't think we can violate the CS. It should probably wait. --Andrew5 (talk) 23:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't follow... Acegodfuckingdamnit 01:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- I'm saying per the CS, we should let these votes go for a week. However, it will likely fail. --Andrew5 (talk) 02:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Id also prefer to end this.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Well, if it needs a week it needs a week. But it's pretty goddamned absurd. Acegodfuckingdamnit 02:41, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- Id also prefer to end this.
- I'm saying per the CS, we should let these votes go for a week. However, it will likely fail. --Andrew5 (talk) 02:04, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- I don't follow... Acegodfuckingdamnit 01:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
- As much as it is 11-7 against and will take 15 "yea" votes to overturn, I don't think we can violate the CS. It should probably wait. --Andrew5 (talk) 23:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)