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RationalWiki talk:Discord
The "ratdiscord"[edit]
As someone who tried to mediate the conflict whether the "ratcord" discord server should stay on the sidebar (see above section), I am no longer convinced this is a healthy relationship.
- The "ratcord" is inhabited by a large userbase who doesn't edit the wiki nor cares about the wiki. The link exists here only to suck off activity and potential editors to the discord. In fact, the admins and mods of the "ratcord" brag about not editing the wiki.
- The "ratcord" has been a source of a lot of canvassing, where users from the wiki ask others to participate on the mod noticeboard and chicken coop.
- There was an agreement that there wouldn't be interserver conflicts (between "ratcord" and the support chat). This is officially codified in the rules of both. Yet, very recently "ratcord" mods have posted memes attacking the other server. I said this back then[1] and I will stay consistent: the "ratcord" has not respected this rule and I don't think it will change anytime soon.
I ask the wiki editobase whether they really want to be connected to a discord server that has nothing to do with the wiki other than instigating conflict and rooting activity. — Godless Raven talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹
17:34, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- I personally don't think it's worth caring about. Removing ratcord from this page will gain us little, but will definitely cause drama--Hastur! (talk) 17:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- I feel like this is another attempt to start drama. Vorarchivist (talk) 17:54, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- I’m given to understand that the matter was settled and no action is necessary.
Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 18:06, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- I’m given to understand that the matter was settled and no action is necessary.
- ...you tried to mediate? I remember you being the one who tried to call the guild far-left. You were not involved with the conflict within regards to that page and don't pretend to be. Anyone who doesn't believe me, well the archives are right there. In any case, yes the Discord should stay. Accusations of canvassing are ungrounded, please post actual evidence of canvassing (aka solliciting for votes in a certain direction). Merely talking isn't canvassing, there has to be an active push to it. "Memes attacking the other server"... what? I have been monitoring the way the Support Chat is talked about in that guild, and the worst it gets is people questioning why (and the answer is "it has a structure more tightly following the wiki, when it comes to mods"). There have been no interserver conflicts beyond one or two banned users trying to appeal in Support Chat for Ratcord, which usually gets handled swiftly, typically by Ratcord mods who are in the Support Chat. There is no hostile relationship between Ratcord or the Support Chat, not anymore anyway. We've come to an amicable agreement on the existence of the two servers. You're just trying to kick up drama. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! /
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Remove "ratcord" from the server list[edit]
[hide]This vote has been closed. Please do not add, remove or change votes. The result of this vote was: 12-4, Yay gets 75% of the vote. "Ratcord" is no longer linked to by RW. -- Techpriest (talk) 09:34, 27 August 2021 (UTC) | |
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To be clear, I recognize that there is no functional way to talk about this subject without bringing up discord drama. Apologies in advance for anyone who is sick of it or doesn't want it to exist. But I feel it's time to address an elephant in the room. "Ratcord", the server on the list as "RationalWiki" should at least from my perspective be removed from the server list. There are several reasons for this, but the main inciting incident was a situation where a user was arbitrarily banned from the server for the crime of "being boring". Do note that this is not a rule described in the server list, nor was any attempt to amend the rules met with anything but dejection and when I made a point of noting this and standing up for it, I was subsequently subjected to a similar ban vote. (I left before it was enacted because users were calling me pointless garbage and I am under no obligation required to put up with that.) This is a very clear discrepancy with how the site itself is ran; to get permanently banned here (outside of obvious trolling), a rules violation has to be established. Even outside of this drama, the connection the server has with RationalWiki as a whole is tenuous at best. The editor overlap between those of us highly active here and the userbase on ratcord is rather notoriously pretty much non-existent. Several prolific editors once were on the discord but were also eventually banned. I have seen multiple editors come and go from that server, with few managing to stick around. Some got banned for unacceptable behavior, others left because of other things. At the moment, the overlap in terms of active users is pretty much tiny to the point of obsolence. This has been the result for about as long as I've been on the site, but as a general rule, the way things go on the discord and the way we do things here wasn't different enough for this to be an issue, so I advocated for the server to be kept in our list. That said, there's now a clear discrepancy here, and it needs addressing. As a result, I am putting it up to a vote. Since this vote concerns potential outside influence, I want to remind voters that for this vote, RationalWiki:Eligible users is specifically put into effect based on my own mod fiat, the basic concept that we should aim to reduce potential brigades and the fact that this pertains to communities we passively endorse which arguably makes this policy. -- Techpriest (talk) 00:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC) Yay[edit]
Nay[edit]
Ineligible[edit]
Goat[edit]
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Request to add "Saloon Bar" to the server list and formally affiliate it with the wiki.[edit]
Heyo, if you don't spend much time in the Saloon Bar, I've announced that I have created a new server to solve some of the issues we have with the Support Chat and the Ratcord. The current verification system I have in place requires new users to send a message to my talkpage, but I'd like to move it to the RationalWiki space for accessibility reasons. Of course, before I can do any of that, I probably should get the server formally affiliated and not just a pet-project. Can we start a vote about it here? Rockford the Roe boop my snoot 03:45, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
- You have my informal permission to set up a vote. -- Techpriest (talk) 17:02, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Alright, lets make this shit official[edit]
Yay[edit]
- I still have no idea why I haven't done this sooner
Rockford the Roe boop my snoot 15:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- OK. Spud (talk) 15:28, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
- I guess it's better if I don't have to spam your talkpage when I get around to joining. Vomitorium (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Nay[edit]
Goat[edit]
- Here's the server in question.
Rockford the Roe boop my snoot 15:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
WTFban[edit]
Could someone please let me back into the Discord server? I'm not entirely sure why I was thrown out in the first place… --Luigifan18 (talk) 15:55, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
- As I responded to your other comment on GeeJayK's talkpage, where you also mentioned you planned to discuss refs and your mini-essay "review board" idea more on Discord if let in again.
- As I remember, a moderator on Discord banned you for spamming things up with lots of pleading and comments that beat the dead horse of you adding refs and "mini-essays" to articles. The stuff you took to the Discord when you'd just been banned for months from RationalWiki, to continue there instead. You could appeal to Techpriest or to LeftyGreenMario (who banned you), but I think they'll keep you banned if your no. 1 idea for returning to the Discord is to do more of what got you banned there. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 19:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, what I was doing was asking @Cosmikdebris for the reason why he removed one of my old mini-essays. I actually agreed with that removal, but I wanted to know what the reasoning was so I could put it on my userpage without having to speculate. And I was actually talking about something entirely different when I was banned… --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I looked up the old conversation again, it was a few more things. It started like what I mentioned, then you were kicked off the server a couple of times while others changed the topic and talked about other things that they wanted to talk about instead, then when you came back the second time you were banned as soon as you posted (by then people wanted you gone there). --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 21:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and that second time, I was trying to change the freaking topic. --Luigifan18 (talk) 00:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- …Is @LeftyGreenMario even active on RationalWiki proper? --Luigifan18 (talk) 15:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, and that second time, I was trying to change the freaking topic. --Luigifan18 (talk) 00:29, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Well, I looked up the old conversation again, it was a few more things. It started like what I mentioned, then you were kicked off the server a couple of times while others changed the topic and talked about other things that they wanted to talk about instead, then when you came back the second time you were banned as soon as you posted (by then people wanted you gone there). --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 21:26, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
- No, what I was doing was asking @Cosmikdebris for the reason why he removed one of my old mini-essays. I actually agreed with that removal, but I wanted to know what the reasoning was so I could put it on my userpage without having to speculate. And I was actually talking about something entirely different when I was banned… --Luigifan18 (talk) 20:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)
Why is the Salloon Bar server not linked here despite people agreeing to add it?[edit]
Self-explanatory. TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan (talk) 03:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- No one bothered to make the edit. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 11:20, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- No point linking it now. It's a completely dead server, not a single post in well over a year. Christopher (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- That's a shame. A Ratcord replacement would probably go a long way. TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan (talk) 15:30, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- No point linking it now. It's a completely dead server, not a single post in well over a year. Christopher (talk) 14:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)