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Gingerbread monolith

Is that thing real? The weird monoliths have been so far mostly amusing, but that one's fucking awesome! Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 20:55, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Apparently so. I agree, it is; that's why I added in a picture. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 20:57, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

I never agreed with everything Sam Harris said, and now he's certainly not "my buddy"

Lol — Oxyaena ^Harass 14:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

:A salon article... that should already say it all... --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 21:35, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Ah yes, the genetic fallacy. How quaint. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:51, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Alas, upon reading it I see that he's become a Mikey-like racialist. I stand thoroughly corrected; I guess I misjudged you. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 20:42, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

You don't agree?

I wrote something on the mod talk page that you felt obliged to disassociate yourself from in the discussion about nobs in the coop. If it is no matter then ignore this message. If you want to question me about some ideas, even out of boredom, please do so. Use my talk page if you prefer.Ariel31459 (talk) 05:22, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ariel31459 Eh, it doesn't really matter. I don't hold it personally against you. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 05:25, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Good. I was hoping we would get along. Ariel31459 (talk) 05:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Renaming rights

So, I've seen you (and various other users) rename trolls and their ilk quite a few times. I was wondering: How do I acquire this incredible power? Twodots (talk) 00:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

You need to be a mod or a tech. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 01:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah. Well, I'm probably not going to be elected as a mod anytime soon. At least not democratically... Twodots (talk) 01:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

I’m sorry for my previous trolling and edits.

I’ve been pulled back to reality after 1/6. I now see that Conservapedia is truly a hate site, and while Rationalwiki may disagree with my political beliefs, it’s a lot better than the shitshow that is CP. No more trolling, only constructive edits. (also the COVID crap in the bar from a few weeks ago labeled “shit from Sievert” was not me, it was likely Ken

) Sievert 81 (talk) 07:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

It's okay. I have conservative family members who've been there when it comes to the 1-6 thing. It just sounded a lot like something the old you would write. It could've also been an alt of nobs, as it was also not far from his writing style... --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 19:28, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Why'd you block the BoN?

They've made nothing but constructive edits... Twodots (talk) 02:23, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Can you fix my contributions?

Can you oversight the edit summary’s on the edits I made where I reverted Mr Poots vandalism? It’s screwing up the way my contributions page is displayed with the diamond character things. Sievert 81 (talk) 04:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sievert 81 Done. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 04:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Sievert 81 (talk) 04:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Editorializing

What was the reason you said my edition was "editorializing". I was just writing about a common criticism, with four different sources, and I even called it poisoning the well. GeeJayK (talk) 07:56, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Do large talk pages cause a problem

Hey CircularReasoning, Is there an actual problem with large talk pages and archives? Simple text is so small by modern standards of disk space, I would not think they are dangerous. RationalWiki is pretty much the closest I let myself come to social media. I really enjoy being relaxed and light-hearted here, free from the confining strictures of wikipedia, and I believed the only issues would be philosophical, requiring those who think I am a nut-job to have to ignore me, but please let me know I am causing space trouble with all my musings! --Bertrc (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

@Bertrc It's not that I think it wastes space as in bytes; I meant that archiving keeps talkpages tidy so you don't have to scroll through 35+ threads to see the most recent on talkpages. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 22:32, 14 January 2021 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. --Bertrc (talk) 19:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Quick q

Hi I’m half asleep bc I took mirtazapine and drink a lot to forget the inauguration. so sorry if this is weird. if it is pls delete. But just quick q, r u opposed to ancom ideas inherently, or just the way they’re sometimes promoted on here? if ideology itself, what r your problems wi th it? I mean obviously I’m arguably some form of ancom mysrlf (or at least im an anti capitalist anarchist the “com” part i can take it or leave it) bt I’m not mad or what’ve m just curius to hear thoughts thanks! lov u your cool 11:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC) 💜 ASELA^{និយាយ} 💜 11:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

@Asela As one of those antitheistic centrist liberals Oxy hates more than the alt-right, I just think that it (and communism in general) is a good idea in principle, but not in practice. Another main thing I don't like is many of its promoters' (while I agree that they are us liberal's allies in the fight against the far-right) strange obsession with considerably less dangerous "enemies" like those oh-so-evil liberals, centrists, rationalists, and pretty much everyone else on the left who is not extremely far-left. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 19:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

sorry for this nonsense poorly typed question lmao. That’s fair enough I obvs disagree about some things but not enough to push thru this agonising hangover to debate lmao 💜 ASELA^{និយាយ} 💜 05:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

thanks!

thanks for that small edit on my example for the whataboutism article. it really made it more clear ^-^ Autumncheney (talk) 04:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

@Autumncheney You're welcome! (And just for future reference, add new talkpage threads at the bottom, using the "add section" button.) --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 04:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Sixpootsticks

I just came here to remind you that that actually wasn't a Poot sockpuppet. I created that account in order to see if the edit filter enforcing the proposed alphanumeric username policy was enabled, for some reason. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 02:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see. But the policy has not actually been passed yet. So you might wanna wait and see if it does. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 00:40, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Indeffing yet another sock evasion of that monetarist troll on the MMT got a mod to threaten coop on me

so given I don't log into RW much, the issue is explained here https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User_talk:Neiltyson1fan#Permaban_for_GeeJayK if it escalates. You, Oxy, and Circ had all banned previous iterations of his vandalizing/trolling. I went onto the RW discord support chat a while ago and asked what to do with persistent sock evaders and they told me to block so that's what I did. , thanks ! :) Neiltyson1fan (talk) 01:17, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Actually this is a better place for the discussion, thanks https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki_talk:All_things_in_moderation#GeeJayK_was.2Fis_a_ban_evasion_of_IPs_2804:214:81DB:72DF:1:2:CCA7:2F2C.2C_2804:14c:5b72:856c:e4a5:71f4:2df5:57fb.2C_and_2804:214:81de:615e:1:2:c299:18cc.2C_and_multiple_usernames Neiltyson1fan (talk) 01:39, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Nice one

For reverting all that HC woo-pushing. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 05:31, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

You're welcome. Good thing we topic-banned him. While I suspect he might be a concern troll given his penchant for edit-warring and talkpage tangents, some of his edits are still salvageable. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 05:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I thought about making this post too, but I didn't want to be called a sycophant once again after everything that happened week. Apparently, moderating RW is harder than I though, you guys deserve praise. GeeJayK (talk) 05:38, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Not really, we deserve to be beaten, forced to walk on all fours, lick your boot, told how awful we are and what we do and don't deserve. Just to give up our own self-control to someone else, let them decide for us what we shall have, and, umm, what were we talking about?

Yeah, sure, praise is fine. CoryUsar (talk) 05:40, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@CorruptUser NO YOU HERETIC, WE ARE THE OLIGARCHIAL FREEZEPEACH-SUPPRESSING THOUGHTPOLICE! WORSHIP US, PEASANTS! /s --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 05:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Our favorite pastime...

(Edit conflict) Yeah. Especially since he had autopatrolled, and therefore was harder to notice; and due to the woefully poor judgement of the crazies who were dumb enough to trust an obvious edit-warrior with sysop rights, which he once even abused. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 05:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

"The Mormon"

FYI, there are actually 3 Mormon Senators currently in the Senate: Romney, Lee and Crapo. Bongolian (talk) 02:50, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bongolian Ah, I see. I meant Romney, the only Republican who voted for Trump's conviction last time. Feel free to correct that poll. Just out of curiosity, is one of the other 2 also from Utah? They're more obscure than him. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 03:08, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Lee is from Utah. Crapo is from Idaho. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 04:02, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

I see. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 04:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Utah might be Mormon Central, but Mormons are all over the place in the US. Colorado has a bunch of them, and so do Nevada and Arizona. I've met many in Kansas too. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:09, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Indeed, they even wanted to create one large, pan-Mormon US state called "Deseret", encompassing not only Utah but also parts of Idaho, Colorado, New Mexico, and most of Arizona and California (Southern California was more Mormon back then, and the state was reliably red if you can believe it). --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 18:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Why clear doesn't work

The side by side is coded as a float left and a float right, the clear property pushes everything floated left and right to beneath the object in question. It's presumably how the navbox already works(itself being a float right). Properly arranging the page requires a bit more ingenuity than that. I'm not sure if existing templates cover the case of pushing a float:right element into a subbox. Maybe I'll drop the sbs format, dunno. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 03:47, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Uhhhh....

What is this? Not the existing system thing...I understand that well enough, but that thing following line 534. Or is it part of your sig? How is that about 5000 bytes? Please explain to a wikipleb. [1] Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 20:59, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

CRs sig is autoexpanding. This is uh bad. @CircularReasoning I indefed you until this is fixed (you can unblock yourself). Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 14:28, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

@Sirius @Knight Commander I just fixed it. Sorry about that; what I was trying to do was make it so if I change my sig in the future it would be the same. (Silly idea, I know.) --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 21:11, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Giving this to myself for trying to autoexpand my super-fancy sig

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Somebody just wants to let you know you did something silly.

--Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 21:13, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Reverting Edits

Do not revert major edits without giving a reason or contributing to an article's talk page. This sort of behavior is vandalism. If you wish to make major edits yourself, please take the time to actually do so. ImGoogleableIfYouWantToStalkMe (talk) 03:09, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@TMqWQfNP9zx2FbrA I reverted it because it did not appear constructive, and removed too much cited information with no explanation. While I'll at least grant to you that I should've said that in the rationale, assuming bad faith is generally poor form. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 03:21, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@TMqWQfNP9zx2FbrA Alas it was constructive. My apologies. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 03:23, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Apology accepted, and I will try and be nice! ImGoogleableIfYouWantToStalkMe (talk) 03:52, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

K. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 03:53, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Message from the Troll Attack Squashing Squad

For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, 🐐 has awarded you a Goat Star. May you enjoy good health, and be long lived and prosperous in the long tradition of goatery.

—cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 04:54, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

@Cosmikdebris Thank you. (Oh, and by the way, I did exactly what you did with that goat account what I did with this one. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 19:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Renaming

Is it necessary to rename every single troll sockpuppet? It can really clog up recent changes and gives the user unnecessary attention, especially when the new name is over the 25 character limit. It also makes it harder to spot patterns in usernames that can be added to the abuse filters.

Looking at the rename log it does seem to mainly be you, although I’m sure everyone with the rights has been guilty of it; myself included if you go back to before my LANCB. Christopher (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Personally, I think most of the new names are very funny and I think Circ should go on. Can sysops do that too or is it a mod privilege? GeeJayK (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@GeeJayK: Only mods and techs can rename users. JJP...MASTER!_{[talk to] JJP... master?} 20:00, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I don't think adding patterns to the filter is really that important, especially given GR and Mikey's penchants for filter evasion. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 20:04, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

If I’m in the minority then carry on, it’s just not how things used to be done a few years back. Perhaps only if you can think of something new, Raven poot number 58 is always going to be less funny than Raven poot 56. Christopher (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

I've sent you email

Hopefully you react to it. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 20:26, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

@Knight Commander Alright, I just did. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 20:32, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate it. Knight Commander^{In Service}_{To Her}^Goatness 20:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the help in debunking the thing in the saloon bar

Honestly, pointing something as obvious as that they spoke perfect English in a British accent makes you realise how dumb the entire thing is, sometimes the most obvious thing is difficult to see, but when you do you piece the logic together, thank you. :)--WMS (talk) 23:23, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

@WeakMindedSkeptic No hay problemo. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 00:54, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

What did PZ Meyers do

You mentioned ElevatorGate, but uh, he came to the defense of Watson and did point out sexism problems in the atheist community that I think is prevalent today. Are you confusing him for Richard Dawkins? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 00:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario UNPOPULAR OPINION ALERT- PLEASE DON'T SHOOT ME Tbh I think the same could be said for the both of them from a certain point of view; Dawkins for his overreaction to Watson, and PZ for his excessive hostility to not only legitimately-sexist people in the atheist community who actually harassed her online in the shitstorm that followed (a reaction of his that was well-warranted to be fair) but also to anyone who did not fully agree with Atheism Plus' beliefs or methods (or their view that some socially-awkward idiot making a clumsy attempt at asking someone out constitutes harassment even though he clearly took Watson's "no" for an answer and did not seem to ask her directly for sex and nor did he seem to be imposing or creepy AFAIK), whom he would too often accuse of the same failings. And just to clarify, the reason why I felt so turned-off by A-Plus when I read up on it was because while yes, Watson was indeed actually harassed by assholes online, a lot of her and her defenders' subsequent behavior towards people who did not agree with everything else she says was often disproportionately toxic. That, and the fact that they seemed to set a pretty low bar for what constitutes harassment, but most importantly their "with us or against us" attitude. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 00:43, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't help that Meyers was punching up at Dawkins, having no discernable accomplishments or awards in his field, while Dawkins is an FRS, Nierenberg and Faraday Prize winner in evolutionary biology; and yet was not above speaking up for Meyers when Meyers was mistreated at the screening of Expelled. DocYankem^{Prevent Truth Decay!}01:13, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Yep, that too I suppose. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 01:14, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

"Copaganda"

While I don't think Demsoc2's example is very good, there is a tendency by the public to view law enforcement in a romanticized and idealized way, especially in popular media. Personally, I think we ought to be critical of these stereotypes, as they do affect how people perceive the world. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie Yes, but the reason why I put it in essayspace is because its name doesn't sound very professional, and sounds more like some esoteric parlance term. Our articles should have more professional titles. Perhaps the salvageable parts of it could be mentioned in the appropriate existing article(s), like police brutality or something. I'll concede that my rationale for essaying it wasn't the best, though. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 16:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I don’t think names or professionalism are an issue, the current name is fine. What would you call it? The existing essay/draft needs a lot of work, but I can definitely see copaganda becoming an actual article iff someone wants to write it. Christopher (talk) 16:50, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Christopher My point is that the salvageable parts of this essay would not need their own article to begin with; perhaps make them a new section in our existing police brutality article, named "Reception and media lionization of cops" or something? --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 17:02, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

For future reference, you can’t ping people if you’ve got a template sig. I agree the “essay” as it stands isn’t worth an article, that’s why @Demsoc1 created it as a draft. Beginning the article as a section of police brutality could work, although if Demsoc1 wants to do that I’d say it would be easiest to keep editing the “essay” for now. Christopher (talk) 17:10, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

@Demsoc2 Christopher (talk) 17:11, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Kay. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 05:09, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Your thoughts on circular reasoning?

Personally, I don't view 'circular reasoning' in the phobic manner that some rationalists view it - in some cases...it's just inevitable. I am curious as to what your views are though, on the notion that inspired your moniker Leucippus^Talk 16:31, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

If I remember correctly, I chose it because I decided I'd name my account after a logical fallacy, so it's more befitting of a site like this. --Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 21:06, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Brazil

I welcome you into explaining why you undid my edit on Brazil. Explain what was wrong and why. Galahad1822 (talk) 10:51, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

GrammarCommie owning up and apologizing for incivility and general shit-stirring instead of just shifting the blame onto others like me and Duce. Repeatedly.

--Goatspeed. _{Fossil evidence of my evolution}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 21:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

On the topic of GC, I don't see what can be gained from edit warring on his talk page. If he doesn't want it collapsed then just leave it, it's his talk page after all. --RWRW (talk) 21:13, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I refuse to apologize when you've made attacks on my fucking character, without evidence, repeatedly. First you come barging in and accuse me of defending Oxy solely because she's a leftist. Then you accuse me of trying to shift blame for me being angry on you and Duce, which by the fucking way you both fucking deserve with your fucking ass self righteous hypocrisy. Duce fucking nuked community property during an outburst, but has the fucking gall to get on my fucking case and talk down to me? Are you fucking kidding me? AND AFTER I TOLD HIM TO LEAVE MY TALKPAGE!! I'm the fucking villain here? Really? REALLY?!?!!? How the hell do you figure that? What the actual fuck did you think would happen when you fucking shat on my talkpage? What did you think would happen when you came in swinging accusations to a man who's just had a severe rage storm? Did you think I'd fucking just overlook it? Did you think it'd help anything? What the fuck did you expect to accomplish? Jesus motherfucking christ!! ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 21:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)