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Suggestion re.:suggestions

How about a suggestion/question box directly accessable (-ible?) from main page? Directly relevant to RW I mean - not about articles or cp or anything like that. There doesn't seem to be anywhere for grabbing everyone's attention other than relying on a general lurking tendency.

Reason I ask:

When I first logged on to RW there were very few edits by IPs. They are increasing by the day. (Even sysops (and I!) have been known to do it) One of the reasons for user names is to give a feeling that you know the person and can track their edits relatively easily. You can't do that with an IP address. It takes seconds to log on so why not do it?.

"I'm at work & can't remember my password."

Well why not register under "yourname2" or some such?

I would suggest that IP edits be banned - it's easy (so I understand) on a wiki, but that would exclude the timid and shy. Keep^{Me informed} 20:20, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, part one I did as well as I thought I could - linked to "help" from the noticeboard, and asked people who think they can "help" to "watch" it. There is a decentralized aspect to wikis that can be disconcerting, but I think it's also part of their strength. There is no "central alert" feature because it would get really clumsy as membership increases. Part two, I think the only "partial cure" is to shame people who edit without logging in in every way possible. It's tough, because you don't want to leave a nasty note at some IP's talk page, after all, they may be "shy", or just dipping in their toe. The best thing to do is put the {{welcome/IP|yourusername}} on the talk page. Then, if you see that it's some dumbass like you or Trent or Doc, go to their talk page and humiliate them thoroughly. As far as banning IP edits, I don't think that will ever happen here. I know, it takes away the easy "trusted editor, I won't go look" aspect of watching pages or recent changes, especially with your current slow d/l times, but I find I am slowly learning who those three or four fools who get timed out (or whatever) are by IP range, as well as username. Suggestions for guidelines, of course, are best made and discussed at RW talk:community standards. human^{be in} 21:13, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

If I may chime in with my opinion, I think that blocking IP edits would detract from our policy of welcoming all editors._Eye See ^You 21:28, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

The stupid it burns

Its a CP link s beware, but this is their attempt at humor? Ouch, I think newton needs to spend a little more time practicing over here... tmtoulouse ^annoy 12:53, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Back button

I am annoyed with my back button not working for other browsers. Can you try this version and see if it works? tmtoulouse ^annoy 20:18, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

{{#form: {{#input:type=button|value=Back|onClick= var summary=; history.back(); }} }}

Works for firefox...why would people use other browsers?CЯacke® 20:24, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Nope! - ie (pocket windows) Keep^{Me informed} 20:28, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Suckorz for me. Why upgrade to firefox, when I'm using mozilla? Call me cranky... PS, please learn to indent comments with colons, k? Isn't that in the "help" files? human^{be in} 22:06, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Where I put my colon is my bidness alone!CЯacke® 22:09, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Don't, please don't, make me pwn your colon. Or Bohdan's. Since his is so fragile.... human^{be in} 22:11, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

• nah, he uses dees.CЯacke® 22:12, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

• Is someone asking about my colon? Bohdan

If I use colons things disappear off the right side of the screen & string down one word per line after 3 indents - 's very hard to read - but that's only me. If I change view to 'desktop' it means I have to scroll across eaach line - 's very hard to read. Keep^{Me informed} 22:27, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Bless you and your colon(s), and may you be more blessed with broadband sooner than later. In the USA, that means "wtf", my "New Orleans is gone|city" drowned. Hopefully, in the UK, there is hope. Hope. I hope. human^{be in} 22:51, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

FSM

Not the one who has the Noodly Appendage but the whackjobs on th a main page. I found dis a here that explain who it is anat. CЯacke® 00:31, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

No, not He. I see tmt has updated the "according to" report on it. Thanks for the linkies! human^{be in} 20:13, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

Pure science articles

As I look through wanted pages I come upon some articles that were made when we were first getting going. These are nicely done pure science encyclopedia entries. What should be done with these do you think? tmtoulouse ^annoy 13:22, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

wandalism

I just vandalized you also. I guess I am done for tonight. You might want to get rid of that "move" button. I am really starting to like it. Bohdan2 23:44, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

How about we force you to promise to "repair" your wandalism on wheels within 24 hours? Would it be so much fun then? At least you used funny titles for your moves. So you get credit for that. human^{be in} 23:56, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

What kinda shit just went down here.... on wheels?-αmεσ (!) 00:09, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Exactly. Bohdan found the "move" button and went Willy on us. Specifically, at least, Tmt's and my user pages. At least he picked funny titles... human^{be in} 00:13, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

It all started when I was saying you set me up, but I was really trying to set you up, then tmt said he "forgot how to block" then I moved him, then justly I got blocked by you, then I avoided the block in true vandal fashion and came back and moved/pwned you because you blocked me, and I made this explanation all one sentence. Bohdan2 00:16, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Just another attention loving vandal then! - Icewedge 00:18, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Exactly. Btw, B., better re-login. I unblocked B. and am about to hammer B2, just for fun. human^{be in} 00:21, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

See, this is the kinda fun you can't have at Conservapedia. At best you get this hilarity... on wheels.-αmεσ (!) 00:19, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Question

What's with leaving blank answer sections? Thunderkatz^Ho! 20:52, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Shhhh! It's a secret plot! Don't tell nadhoB! human^{be in} 21:09, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

secret plot? I want in! Who is this "nadhoB"? he sounds like a real idiot. Bohdan

I want in on the secret plot.... ekcoL ^{......gnihctaW syawlA}

Answer

- .... . .- -. ... .-- . .-. .. ... ....- ..--- .-.-.- Locke ^{Always Watching......} 21:56, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

.---- ----- .---- ----- .---- ----- --- ..-. -.-. --- ..- .-. ... . human^{be in} 11:57, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Caught ya!

I bothered Ames about this first, but I see you're around too. I moved Essay:Bias in Science to here. Can you delete the essay? Thanks.--Bayes ^Factor 22:32, 20 August 2007 (CDT)

Done. Easier, by the way, if you use the "move" tab, then the talk gets moved over an donly redirects get left behind. No biggie, I copied talk over. Now, you might want to proofread that first sentence, it got damaged when you de-1st personed it, I think. Otherwise, looks great, thanks, and can't wait to see your next wandalism valuable contribution. Goatspeed! human^{be in} 02:15, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Removed red link. human^{be in} 12:41, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Specificallyok

Could you speedy delete this wikispam? "Specificallyok" Sterile^{blah, blah, blah} 12:32, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Thy will be done, Sir. Thanks! human^{be in} 12:38, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

heads up

RationalWiki:Community Page Conservative put a little backbone in them, lets see how much. tmtoulouse ^annoy 12:42, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Haha, cool. Nice reply. What's funny is how clueless they are about copyright law. Even without GFDL, fair use completely covers these. Heck, so does "fairness", in that we quote them in their entirety to refute instead of mining the articles. If I type it here, will they have the sense to go to the "side by side" category and find the others? human^{be in} 12:49, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

I wonder if its just bullying and street theater thinking we are a bunch of kids that they can intimidate, or if they really think they have a case. We will find out based on their next move. Either they will slither away and disappear again or actually do something. One is spineless but intelligent, the other is clueless but shows they have a little backbone. Its a catch-22. tmtoulouse ^annoy 12:53, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Can you add dates to the copies of the emails? And aren't they "demands", not "threats"? I also don't know/can't tell if it's cluelessness or bullying, since they have both traits in abundance. Probably both in equal measure. They really think they own not only copyright but the right to prevent fair use commentary or parody, and they think since Andy's a lawyer his threats are big scary mean and must be obeyed. Of course, they have also formed a little "authoritarian" club, and probably forget that the ROW doesn't instantly snap-to and obey whenever given orders. human^{be in} 13:28, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Come to that, how would Andy prove damages? The original works weren't for profit, and Andy continually claims that no money is received. Not to mention, they aren't losing pagehits because of us, if anything they're gaining because we link to them. So taking that in with what's already said above, he'd have one helluva tough sell to a judge. --Kels 13:32, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, copyright law protects your "creations" you even if you aren't making money. No one can copy your cartoons without permission even if neither you nor they are making any money. However, (1) they are a GFDL site (eliminating all their rights to complain), and (2) we are quoting their material for the fair use of parody and commentary (in different places), both of which are explicitly protected, even if something is not GFDL. Anyway, the demands are either bullying or misguided (traits in plentiful supply at CP, go figure).

The funny thing is, if they tried to just call our kettle black and do similar commentaries on us over there, they'd have to link to our files (or at least name the source) or we could claim infringement! human^{be in} 13:41, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Protection, yes, and putting teeth in a cease & desist order, but if he were to claim damages above and beyond, he'd have a mighty steep climb to prove it. And again, fair use and CP's own shifting statements would probably stop it well before that stage. --Kels 13:48, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, actually, CP is not a GFDL site (the only time they claimed any connection with GFDL was during the Disclaimer slip-up, and that was fixed), unless I missed something big. However, they claim that they allow even broader re-use of their material than GFDL, so GFDL is actually supposed to be stricter than whatever they think they're using. --Sid 13:20, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Ah, ok, thanks. Deeper irony - they were GFDL by accident briefly when they copied and pasted Wikipedia's disclaimers without cleaning them up first. Can anyone say "CopyPasteia"? And they complain about us... human^{be in} 16:10, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Wouldn't the copy+paste actually be in violation of GFDL, as they are not licensed under that and give no credit to wikipedia? Or is the slight rewording enough? Thunderkatz^Ho! 16:19, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

question

who was the IP user last night? Bohdan

You mean M. 64? No one really knows. It seemed like Newton in disguise, but HoG is smart enough to easily impersonate Newt to tweak us. The IP also redirected themself to TK, but that was undone, at least until TK logs in and confirms it (if it was him). So, at this point, speculation is silly and it was probably you. Or some anonymous person who wanted to tweak us. That they "knew where to go" to join certain discussions certainly narrows who they might have been, of course. Just as new users who descend on certain pages at CP instantly give themselves away as probably not being noobs. I know you aren't going to warn us, but when is your cabal going to descend and pwn this entire site permanently? human^{be in} 14:18, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

It wasn't me. My cabal is currently preparing for what we are calling the "Glorious Pwn". You won't know what hit you, but you will certainly feel it. Bohdan

How about renaming it "The Great Pwn Forward"? human^{be in} 14:30, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Wow, I can't believe I am taking advice from a non-vandal. The name change is official. Bohdan 14:33, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Hahaha, well, you're welcome. And I am actually under deep cover (Shhhhhhh!), making many apparently "constructive edits" to hide my near-constant wandalism of the site. If we survive "The Great Pwn Forward", I suggest the next covert operation be code-named "The Five Year Pwn" human^{be in} 15:14, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

answer

The answer is: not to have two sections called "question". Keep ^{Salmon smoked} 14:56, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

But one is capitalized and the other isn't, so they actually have different titles. 42!!! human^{be in} 15:06, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Ah! But nobody told wiki that! Keep ^hidden 15:14, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Wiki knows, check the links in the TOC, they are different. human^{be in} 15:36, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? Sterile^{blah, blah, blah} 15:25, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

African or European? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 15:34, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

I don't know... AHHHHHHHAHH!! Sterile^{blah, blah, blah} 15:35, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Touch of near tautology there - AND: is said swallow in a dive, climbing or flying level? Keep ^hidden 15:32, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

If you're gonna talk about swallows, wouldn't Bohdan's tlak page be a better place for it? Not that I mind it here, of course. Wwaauugghh!!! human^{be in} 15:36, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

You're thinking "spit or swallow aren't you? Smack, Smack! Keep ^hidden 15:44, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

What browser do you use?

What browser do you use? - Icewedge 23:43, 21 August 2007 (CDT)

Mozilla 1.7.13, why do you ask? I just never bothered to do the Firefox/whatever changeover. I also, when required by incompentent websites, sometimes stoop down and use IE. But only if I have to. human^{be in} 02:26, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

I think I'd quit teh internets if I had to use Internet Exploder. Back when I first got on the information toll road Algore made for us I used Netscrape, (with the "dancing" "N"). My my the good old daze! St. CЯacke® 05:29, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, one place you have to use IE is to get MS junk to slow down your windoze. Another is at the Fisher Plow site - they have all kinds of old plow instructions and parts list, but the site only works on IE. Also, IIRC, signing up for a FedEx account has to be done on IE. FedEx = idiots, Fisher Plow = ok, as long as I can get those old pdf's. human^{be in} 11:53, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm always amused by what people use to access my webcomic. I've had Links, Lynx and even a Sony PSP browser. Fun stuff. --Kels 16:14, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Spamalert! Haha. What, no Mosaic? I guess that wouldn't work for a comic... human^{be in} 19:28, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Not sure if I've had Mosaic, but that's pretty rare these days, eh? Here's this month's browser list, for trivia's sake.

Firefox

MS Internet Explorer

Opera

Safari

Mozilla

Netscape

Camino

Konqueror

OmniWeb

For further trivia, I'm getting about 46 unique visitors a day, not too bad for the amount of time I've been up. --Kels 19:42, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Fascists

[1] Bohdan 19:22, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

You'll get that from time to time. Comes with the territory, being a wandal, and all. Want to make a sysop for 314 seconds? It'll cost you a 3141 second block, of course... human^{be in} 19:26, 22 August 2007 (CDT)

Beeb

Have you heard anyone use this? LateralQuercus 17:36, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, I know I didn't make it up... Google is your friend on this one. In fact, the third link is the BBC on line shop, which doesn't even use the word (meaning there are a lot of links to it from "beeb")! Also, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beeb human^{be in} 17:40, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Testing

Sorry, just testing my attempt at a welcome template, feel free to try it out. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 21:16, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

P.S. Anyone know how to make an image into a link?

I like the datestamp. Is it just five tildes, or something else? I like the auto-user ID. Link an image by putting a colon in front of "image", thusly:

[[:Image:hotporn.jpg|Great pron!]] human^{be in} 21:22, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Yea, it's just five tildes, now for some questions:

1. Is there any easy way to phase this template in? and
2. Not quite what I had in mind for the pic, say I wanted the picture itself to be a link, is that possible? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 21:28, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Oops, (2), misunderstood you. I think I have tried, not sure if I succeeded. Usually they link, of course, to themselves. Haha, yes, I bet I tried on these templates. We want the brains to link to the main page, of course.

(1), if it is compatible with the arguments in the old version of the template, it can simply be changed. If it is not, it will either need a new name, or all the previous iterations will have to be altered. Is there any way to skip the "first" argument (the new user's name) and go straight to the "new" first argument (welcomers name)? The old one is welcome|noob|oldhack (and welcome/IP|hack). So, first, you can add the timestamp anytime to welcome/IP. Second, if you can manage to program back-compatibility, I would instantly approve the "new" welcome template (but that's just me). How many pages have the "old" version on them? Oh, and before actual changes, I'd recommend a link to the new version and description of the changes be left at the template talk pages for "approval" of the mob. human^{be in} 21:45, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

I already did away with the first argument, so it now reads Welcome|oldhack|~~~~~, or did you mean that in another way? However on the issue of backwards compatibility, I am not that good with programing, perhaps one of our better programmers could tackle that? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 21:51, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

I know you ditched the noob name. Trouble is, the old version will do weird stuff if parsed by the new version - it will say "welcome old hack, blah blah blah, noob name below instead of date". All I can really think of is editing them all. At least, for now. Try asking Linus or IceWedge or JTL, they're pretty damn good with this stuff. OK, here's an idea. Program it so that it checks to see if arg. 1 = pagename, if so, ignore it and use arg. 2. Can you do that? I might be able to, but I'll break it sixteen times first. Also, for easy comparison, here is an example of the old one for testing purposes.

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, Human! Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards! Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out the to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet If writing a new article, consider writing up a draft And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun!

PS, how's that new hat fitting? ^{be in}humane 21:57, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Erm, not quite sure how to do that, [[Sandbox/Template:Welcome|feel free to have a go at it though]]. I'll run that past one of them later aswell. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 22:02, 23 August 2007 (CDT) P.S. Hat fits well thanks.

The talk page template (talkpage?) has the code you'd need to hack up. human^{be in} 22:05, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm not quite sure how to modify that to work with these templates.

Oh, and how's this for a possible new IP welcome? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 22:28, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

We might want to scrap the "See my talk page" in favor of something like see the rationalwiki:help page. - Icewedge 23:02, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

I had thought that, too, to make it really easy to use. But I thought, isn't the "personal touch" a nice thing? Not that I'm argueing against dropping the talk page/oldhack link. I would vote for what you are suggesting. Then the remplate becomes argument-free and is backwards compatible... and upgradeable. human^{be in} 23:09, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Category Linky

Thanks very much. Sorry to create more work for you. Does this mean I'm banhammered??? - I'm still new here...PFoster 21:18, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

No problem at all, at least your edit comment made clear what you were trying to do. By the way, we have some very good 'help' files starting at RationalWiki:Help that explain a lot of things like that. human^{be in} 21:19, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

HA!

I could just cry: [2]. He is such a good vandal. B****n 21:55, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

It's those mad sysop skillz. I wonder if I can protect it so only bureaucratz can edit it? I actually thought someone had hacked in to it last night, but it looked like they just edited my sig on a talk page. Oh well, the Resident Vandal is dead, long live the Resident Vandal! human^{be in} 22:01, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

I wondered if you had noticed that. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 22:11, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

By the way, the gold medal for good pwnage, which can only be earned and not bought on teh eBayz, is when people keep your pwnage or wandalism instead of reverting it. The plastic medal is when people take the trouble to archive your "mark" in a special file (which takes actual work on their part). human^{be in} 23:13, 23 August 2007 (CDT)

Final

Well, here's the final versions:

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, Human! Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards! Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out the to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet If writing a new article, consider writing up a draft And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun!

{{Welcome|Pinto's5150}}

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, Human! Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards! Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out the to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet If writing a new article, consider writing up a draft And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun!

{{Welcome}}

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, anonymous editor! Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards! Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out the to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet If writing a new article, consider writing up a draft And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun! While you are free to continue to edit as, and be identified by, your IP address, you might prefer to create an account (they're free!), or log in if you already have one. If you create an account, your IP address will not be displayed and you will face fewer editing restrictions.

{{Welcome/IP|Pinto's5150}}

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, anonymous editor! Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards! Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out the to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet If writing a new article, consider writing up a draft And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun! While you are free to continue to edit as, and be identified by, your IP address, you might prefer to create an account (they're free!), or log in if you already have one. If you create an account, your IP address will not be displayed and you will face fewer editing restrictions.

{{Welcome/IP}}

Damn close, I'd say. The date does wrap weird on versions 1 & 4, I think it needs a BR in the right place? human^{be in} 01:20, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Something to remember though is that it will look different with every user (Due to variations in name length), well, not on 3 or 4, but with the other two it will. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 01:24, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

IP needs a BR between "guidelines" and "any questions" to avoid that; User needs one between "fun" and "any". human^{be in} 01:28, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Seems to throw the formatting a little bit on number 1, but it's your call. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 01:33, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Nevermind, fixed it. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 01:48, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Dammit, that brought back screwy text wrap.... Locke ^{Always Watching......} 01:49, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Try this: it needs four explicit lines:

• Please see our table of contents and guidelines.
• Pull up a goat and have some fun!
• Any questions? Please see my talk page (or RW help)
• Friday 24 August 2007

Can we do that? Does it make sense? (actually 5, I ignored the first line) At this point, the logo can be bigger, and the box a bit wider... more headH's? Let's get it right. I appreciate your efforts. human^{be in} 02:14, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Better? Locke ^{Always Watching......} 02:30, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

"welcome" looks all set to me... can /ip have a separate line for the date stamp? Nice work! human^{be in} 12:42, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Lookie what I did :) human^{be in} 14:34, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Looks good. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 15:23, 24 August 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, though you guys did all the hard work, I just came along and played typesetter at the end. I do like the results, it's always fun to make tools even better as a team! Thanks for all your (and Trent's) work on this! human^{be in} 15:25, 24 August 2007 (CDT)