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Look, I dont mean to sound like a dissenter......but....[edit] I the only that thinks he is pulling a little princess moment, watching the pages intently, waiting for everyone to say "oh pleaz I sorryz!" only to come back and be the same? I know I am, well, a bastard at times but nonetheless......Ace McWickedRevolt 02:36, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh, I'm convinced you're right...but you do have to be careful. I'd prefer to make a tit out of myself by reaching out than have somebody actually troubled by all this nonsense we get up to here. Yes, he's a total drama queen, but he's also only 14 - and I know I had some pretty strange opinions of myself and of the world when I was that age, and I'll bet the same is true for you Ace. DogP 02:50, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Hormones. Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science. 03:00, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Don't think he's old enuff to understand the stupidity that goeth with being an adult. ToastToastand marmite 03:02, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
I dont wanna offend the poor bastard and, at that age (fuck it seems like, ironically enough, an age ago) I sure felt a little fuct up and unable to make sense of myself nor the world around me. I just feel like we are being played and, true to his style, bending our collective will to suit his view. I'm just sayin... Hmmmmmm Ace McWickedRevolt 03:17, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
I just find the veiled threats in his final shot re: jail and suicide talk a little like classical attention seeking behaviour and even in absence, has pulled the community back in his direction. Hmmmmmm. mutter mutter jibber jabber (and as one wise man used to end his posts "all disclaimers apply"). Ace McWickedRevolt 03:30, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually, I was not suggesting I would, I was merely pointing out that flaming hurts the person who it is done to. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 16:40, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Like I say, you're right.....but. DogP 10:52, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Yes, of course he's pulling a drama queen move - and he's probably too young to even realize it - it's just what he's like. The way I see it, there are roughly four possible "responses" to such hissy-fits. 1. "Good riddance", 2. "Oh noes, please don't go", 3. No response, and 4. Friendly snark. As I recall, I chose (4), many chose (3), some chose (1), and (2) was in short supply - which is good, because (2) is the lamest one. Anyway, I'm sure our pet twerp will be back, but I hope he also takes a little time away for contemplation, playing outside, etc. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:07, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Well, there were a few sickening (2)'s I am afraid. Me I chose the snark. Ace McWickedRevolt 16:18, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Grading: Trent: originality 9/10, suckering people, 8/10, not getting 2ed, 10/10, getting 1ed, 10/10. 92.5, A minus.
Felicious One: originality 3/10, suckering people, 9/10, not getting 2ed, 4/10, getting 1ed, 6/10. 55.0, C minus on a curve. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:41, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually Human I suspect the "April Fool's" bit from CUR was a mere excuse to come back after recovering from his hissy fit. Ace McWickedRevolt 18:49, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually, it was. I admit that openly and freely. I only say that RationalWiki is deeply embedded in me and I can't leave it, even though I would like nothing more indeed. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:10, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

If that is the case then CUR you must adapt to this place particulalry your most recent "revert/delete". That didnt make fun of you in the slightest and should cause no offence. Just because you dont like it doesnt mean you can just delete on a whim. Ace McWickedRevolt 21:20, 2 April 2009 (EDT)
Sounds like a good time to raise the price of the "merchandise" to me. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:21, 2 April 2009 (EDT)

Mmmmm disturbing[edit]

For human. MMMMMM Disturbing

Gee, thank Ace. But why does he have a Lady's haircut? (PS, old cartoon caption: I'll convert you to Christianity, son, if you will show me how to grow one of those!")

Thanks for the delightfully profane welcome back to RW from my little editing spree on ASK! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:57, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

SES Application Scans[edit]

I need ur emails. Neveruse513 15:20, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Either see: "e-mail this user" (bottom left in "toolbox"). Or use this: (off his website). ToastToastand marmite 15:32, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Human, does that mean someone got Andy's SES application through FOIA? If so, can has?-Diadochus 15:39, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Neveruse has: he's premusably got 'em scanned & needs 'em OCRing. (see last comment here.) ToastToastand marmite 15:44, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks for the address. Also, is it possible to upload the PDFs directly to RW? Neveruse513 15:47, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
I think not, you could upload it somewhere else & give the link. I'm at if you want me to try. ToastToastand marmite 15:51, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Can we have a teaser? Perhaps one of the lulzier moments in the application? PLEEZ! The EmperorKneel before Zod! 15:57, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Yes, Neveruse, that's the email addy to use. Thanks! ħumanUser talk:Human 15:59, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
Teaser uploaded. Neveruse513 16:12, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

If something gets mailed to me I can host it on RW easy enough, at the moment there is no way for users to upload much more than images. tmtoulouse 16:05, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

No share? With me? Please! Sterilewalkie-talkie 22:10, 3 April 2009 (EDT)
We'll all share. We're commies. It's sad that Neveruse is struggling to scan, I have a scanner at my hand. Although, I can't make pdfs, so I guess it's cool. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:35, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

What format is it currently in? PDF or hardcopy?The EmperorKneel before Zod! 00:37, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm assuming that Neveruse paid for a paper copy via the mail. Perhaps we should move some of this to Neveruse's orange box? Not that I mind it being here, but I'm not exactly the nexus of this exploit, NU is. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:46, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

World Domination Plans[edit]

I have sent you a very unimportant email (I think...RW chose the moment I sent it to stop loading, so I have no idea). --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 19:00, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Check. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:49, 4 April 2009 (EDT)
To quote Human on a very similar matter between Pi and TOP
Seekrits?! Kan we haz pleez?

The EmperorKneel before Zod! 19:56, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

You already rule the galaxy! We just want the world. :P --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 21:10, 4 April 2009 (EDT)

Please promote me. . .[edit]

. . . for three days. Back to editor. And also block me for those three days. Why? Minor spats with people. --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 17:46, 5 April 2009 (EDT)

I have said it before, and I will say it again: Your skin is so thin that it could have been made with a microtome. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 17:50, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
Seems he blocked himself, is there really a need to promote as well? ħumanUser talk:Human 17:56, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
Attention seeking? ToastToastand marmite 18:10, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
Probably some kind of plot. --Ted 18:39, 6 April 2009 (EDT)
Just do it so he doesn't change his mind. He did, after all, "leave" a few days ago. Sterilewalkie-talkie 18:14, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
OK. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:16, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
Martin already dun did it. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:17, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
Martin? Pffffft I fucking did it and it felt damn good. Just wanted to make sure he doesnt pop back up with a "april fools" or some other crap. Ace McWickedRevolt 18:19, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
I must have misread the log... glad you enjoyed it. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:23, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
It made me feel like a big man. Ace McWickedRevolt 18:27, 5 April 2009 (EDT)
We were both doing it simultaneously and Ace beat me to the save button. Totnesmartin 04:15, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Ace is a big man. Who wants sand kicked in their face? Ace McWickedRevolt 04:36, 7 April 2009 (EDT)
Big? How big? lol. nevermind, just ignore me... :p Refugeetalk page 01:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
How big? see photo above. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 01:04, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
lol! Banana.gif Refugeetalk page 01:09, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Essay Space[edit]

Just to prove that demotions are not very useful, I must say I am quite wiki illiterate and have no idea how to build an "essay space". Would you check quickly to see if my latest rant made it correctly into the "essay space". Essay:A Constutional Amendment in Iowa‎ (great the title has a typo in it. that I will fix.)--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Nous naissons tous fous. Quelques-uns le demeurent.» 15:23, 6 April 2009 (EDT)Essay:A Constitutional Amendment in Iowa‎

Yes, what you did worked. Simple using a title that starts "Essay:" is all that is required (similarly, "Debate:" puts something in the debate namespace). This only works if the namespace in question is "configured", of course, which those are. EG, at CP, since the namespaces don't actually exist, all their essays and debates are actually in the mainspace (AFAIK). Anyway - easy way to be sure - look at the far left tab above the page - it will say "essay" if you succeeded, whereas in the mainspace is will say "article". ħumanUser talk:Human 17:11, 6 April 2009 (EDT)

re: Xena.[edit]

Dude, dial it back a notch. Belligerency is my schtick, and I usually save it for CUR. TheoryOfPractice 00:11, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Dude, thank for the concern - and the advice. But when a new user (yeah, as if) makes hundreds of edits and half of them are fucking lame, sadly, I end up with a microchip on my shoulder. Especially when they show no real understanding of what we are doing, and ignore most comments on their talk page. But, that said, advice taken under advisement. PS, if anyone sysops that wanker I'll undo it. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:14, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Dude I sysopped her days ago. EVERYONE is a sysop. TheoryOfPractice 00:15, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh. Yeah, I forgot. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:18, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
On that point when did a few days become standard? I use to use at least a month and at least 50 edits as a rule. - User 00:27, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
When RA started sysoping everyone in sight. I also used to have a standard (a week or two or three, bunch of edits, etc.) but those all went down the drain, and Trent approved of the "mostly harmless" doctrine, so that's what we have now. Essentially, as ToP says, "everyone's a sysop [except Fall Down]". PS, I apollywoggied to Xena. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:31, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
I think I am kind of at fault for the RA thing. I think at one point I had made a third of the sites sysops and twice as many as RA, he went on a binge after that. It is the mostly harmless bit that worries me, we seem to be sysoping people who are quite confrontational, general distractions and people who have no idea how to use the wiki software. The latter is my greater concern, when you have to explain linking to a sysop you doubt their ability to do the job. Just my $0.0141459. - User 00:37, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Well, Pi, it was easy for anyone to aggravate RA's desire to outdo, so no harm there. As far as "mostly harmless", RA defined it as "edited for three hours and didn't vape the main page". No harm, really, I think, in backing off to a slightly saner, less competitive approach to sysopping. As in, sure, everyone gets to be one - once they are at least acclimated and - sorry to add this - answer fucking messages on their talk page. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:09, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Well at least you answer the fucking messages on your talk page in a fashion ;) (why don't we have a winking smiley yet). - User 01:14, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Who, me? hell, half the conversations here are over by the time I get up. Oh, yeah. Well, I try. And where's the magic smiley bar I thought someone made for edittools? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:19, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
  1. importScript('User:Nx/Scripts/Smileybox.js');
  2. Try living on the other side of the planet from most of the editors.
  3. I liked peer review, it is what most of the articles need.
Winking0001.gif - User 01:23, 8 April 2009 (EDT)


  1. Easy for you to say.
  2. I live on the other side of the planet form all' of you!
  3. It makes sense to us, but I think it looks weird to noobs. Seriously, we're hard enough on them as it is, what with the obligatory goat worship and all. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:26, 8 April 2009 (EDT)


PS, does your script work in "adfree"? It's already in my monobook.jism there. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:28, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
It should go in monobook.js or monobook_adfree.js; however you don't need adfree any more as there are no ads. - User 01:30, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
I know on both points. Care to look at my monobook adssucks.js (oops) and see if I forgotted something? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:33, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Eh, I bet i know what it is. I killed the edit tool bar above the edit window because it loads slow and instead of the first character one types one gets some silly wikimarkup. Did that also kill the smiley bar? Can you put the smiley bar below the edit window with the greek and stuff? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:35, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
How did you kill it? - User 01:40, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Preferences - Editing - uncheck "Show edit toolbar (JavaScript)" ħumanUser talk:Human 01:43, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
We could put it down the bottom but if you look at it it is a very javascript thing, I wouldn't know how to present it in that table below. - User 01:52, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh well :( ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 01:57, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
importScript('User:Nx/Scripts/Smileylist.js'); --  Nx/talk  03:00, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Excellent, that worked! Banana.gif Monty.gif Party.gif Thank you! ħumanUser talk:Human 17:45, 8 April 2009 (EDT)


Could you manage the Pi - Xena spat? I have to get to bed to get the bus for my train trip tomorrow, so... 6.5 hours of sleep is gunna be a stretch. Thank ye, JĀvąṢ₡ä₰ hi there 23:50, 8 April 2009 (EDT)

Pi is eating sushi and is about to go to class, so will be no problems in a minute. - User 23:53, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
I doubt I can, since she is pissing me off too. It's more like the Xena/RW spat. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:54, 8 April 2009 (EDT)
Count me in. I've been wandering around all day, trying to understand what she means half the time, and why the other half is supposed to be funny. I know, I have no sense of humor.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Nous naissons tous fous. Quelques-uns le demeurent.» 00:07, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Is she our friend Teresita? I was reading ad hominem after the Ayn Rand comment on Xena's talk page, where someone dismissed it on the basis of her other views, and the fact that after reading our article I am less sure of what ad hominem means reminded me of her editing style. - User 00:10, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Yes she is. Anyway, WfG, yeah, about 1/3 (and dropping) of her edits seem very good. The other 2/3 (and climbing) are batshit random droppings in out-of-context places in articles. Luckily (gawd, RA would skewer me for this, if he was still around), she has threatened in several places to take her ball and go home. I wish she would, as you said, just slow down and think more, perhaps we'd only get the "good" edits. Although, she fucking footnotes nothing, she links nothing, and she doesn't bother to even follow our style. I call "wiki-wanker". She musta got kicked out of somewhere else and came back to us for her fix. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:16, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
I am available for awhile to manage xena if she starts making foolish edits once more. I could use a fight. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 00:44, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Hehe, Ace, when I see you editing "favor" on my talk page I immediately think "he wants me to break something", and then think, "what the hell, sounds like fun". Sadly, in regards of your opportunity to join in this equal opportunity slugfest, she seems to have gone AFK a while ago. HOWEEEEVER! She might wake up long before me - and while you are still twilighting tomorrow's hangover. So keep an eye out in a few hours. Ciao! ħumanUser talk:Human 00:58, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Teresita anyone? -- So the stuff about "j" looked too polished for a "one off", and i googled. check out the language on "The Book of J" here, and our newly added additions. I really hate socks.

--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot"«Nous naissons tous fous. Quelques-uns le demeurent.» 10:54, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

This may only be marginally relevant, but in quite a few of her recent "additions" I've seen random "extra" CRs (that the wiki of course ignores). Typical evidence of copy/pasting. I hope she's only bringing things she wrote on board... ħumanUser talk:Human 15:02, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Random CP[edit]

Let's stop assaulting Trent's talkpage. Drop this into your monobook_adfree.js and hit show preview. You should see it immediately. //

This is the indented version. --  Nx/talk  00:29, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

OK. As far as his talk page, it's only "one" orange box. I'll try it. Do I need the last pair of //'s? Or were you editing a MW/JS mix? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:01, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Money! Nice. You should port that to the sitewide js I think. (Notice how I'm used to playing dictator of all things RW if I think they're good ideas?) And we should promote it a little, so people know it happened. Off to edit blackboard now, as soon as you move it to sitewide js. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:07, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
(EC) The first and last line of js comments combined with html comments is there to hide it from MW, it's useful to put that into .js files because mediawiki will try to parse them as wikitext when displaying diffs. Anyway, to test out the non-indented version, change



Which one should it be? --  Nx/talk  01:08, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

I didn't test. (It took me twelveteen hours to even understand your comment!) I think the indented version is appropriate - it says "this isn't a main thing" - and may even get people's attention. OK, I'll go test... ergh... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:12, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
OK, obviously, both work. I prefer the indented - maybe we should bring screenshots to talk WIGO CP? The people there are the ones who care about this. Or just do it... (that gets my vote). It's an awesome toy for the CP-obsessed who come here. I would have already pasted it into the sitewide mb.js, but I couldn't find the place to do it in my cursory search. PS, when you add things like that, in the js comments you should "sign and date" them. For pride, but also for the history. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:17, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Done. I've uploaded some screenshots, I'll leave the rest to you. You can toggle it like this --  Nx/talk  01:33, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Oops, wait... it should only appear on CP namespace pages, not everywhere. Did I forget to test that? We really don't want this "everywhere", just where the CP hounds hang out. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:36, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
The test version appears everywhere to allow you to test it with show preview (since your monobook_adfree is in Userspace). Remove that from you monobook. --  Nx/talk  01:42, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Whew, thanks. I was just using a CP page and ignoring everything else. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:46, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Break something....[edit] know you want to. Or set something on fire. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 01:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Fire. It's been raining ass lately. Sunday is supposed to be dry and cleary skies. I have a couch I "dismantled" this winter (nice dry, dense wood), and lots of other crap around. Likely my Esther Pageant will involve heaps of flames and one or seven lovely glasses of the breath of life. Oh, and maybe I'll break something as well, in your honor, my favorite insane kiwi. (OK, you're my only kiwi, but still...) ħumanUser talk:Human 01:06, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
Ahh fire, good for everything. I once stole a giddeons bible from a hotel and started a fire in my bedroom the following evening so we could sit around and listen to me read stories from it. Smoke alarms, burnt carpet and loss of money followed. Actually the story behind retrieving the bible is interesting in itself but we'll save that for another time. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 01:09, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
I have a nice little "fire stand" I welded up a year or two ago, sits about 8 feet (2 meters) from a big ole hunk of granite in my field. Gots two 7 foot (2 meters) hunks of white oak for sittin' on. I loves me a little late-night burn. Flicker flicker pretty flames. Yes, I am a pyromaniac careful ex-Scout. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:21, 9 April 2009 (EDT)
I have had my fairshare of fire-fun, oh yes. And garnered police attention because of it. Ironic really. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 01:25, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Various stuffs[edit]

First, I just had a look at your website and I have to say that I truly admire that you've got such a lovely garden. Your personal website on it is inspired. I built a similar composter and always wondered if there was any sense in saving the "juice" that ran out, and now I know that I can just pour it on something that needs a hand. I also live in a place where it freezes in the winter so I can leave my kitchen waste outdoors. I cut the bottom off a kitty litter bucket, maybe 6 inches, and buried it in the ground by the garage with 4 stakes through corners to keep it from moving. I store my kitchen cuttings in another identical kitty litter bucket that I just keep the lid on tightly and set down in the other bucket bottom. That keeps critters from overturning it, and the lids on those things are hard enough for people to remove that none of my cat's enemies have gotten into it. I don't use it in the summer because rats and mice would chew through the plastic. I suspect they haven't over the last few winters because the cold air keeps any interesting scents at bay. It's easy enough to walk 15 more feet to throw stuff in the composter. We should talk about above ground planters. Cheers.

Second, I have my dad's Bose speakers from the late 60's. They're the ones that are in the shape of a smashed 6 sided box, with 3 faces, 2 short sides, and a large back. The speakers are in the 3 faces. Some of the cones buzz, so I think it's best just to get all of them reconed. Given your superior experience with loudspeakers, do you think it's worth doing? Are these old Bose crap or what? They sounded great until they shitted out after 30 years of good service.

Third, I have some Bose 301's that also need reconing. Is it worth it?

Fourth, do you have ideas about getting a nice integrated amp/receiver like an old solid state or tube Macintosh or something similar? I don't know a damned thing about these things, but I'm ready to replace my Yamaha. Is there a way to add a surround sound processor to a stereo amp?

Thee Nuttish Talk 19:27, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Wow, this was like emails I get from "customers"!

One, I appreciate you like my garden. I always loved houseplants, but they are so fickle. When I finally owned "dirt", it became a different story. Re:compost. Fucking squirrels will chew through anything to get to food. My system failed slightly there.

Two, those sound like 901s. Worst speaker I ever heard. Throw them out. Unless you/he really liked them, so then fix them up.

Three, 301s are the six inch two-way, right? Yup those are cool, I like them from what little experience I have with them.

Fourth, eBay? Figure out what you want and set up a search for it? The old Macs go for good money... Second part, "yes". Tape loop, processor, more amps for the surround signals. Hope this helped a bit... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:03, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

Nice talking to you today. I forgot to ask your real name or get your phone number, but whatever. Seems like we covered most of your questions. As far as DCRM (??) ing Schlalfy and his theft-site, go for it. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:03, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Promoting CUR[edit]

It's on AA now so this conversation is redundant. ToastToastand marmite 16:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually, this was last time this happened - 8 days ago. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I know he is a tantrumming little drama queen, but if we promoted every drama queen that threw a tantrum we would have no sysops. - User 01:52, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Name three that aren't Teresita. Cur is a youngun. He needs discipline. He is, sadly, a special case for us to deal with. MHO, anyway. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:04, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Also, fuck, dude, I can't get thunderbird to work again yet!!! Halp!!!! I'm cut off from my customers, etc......... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:05, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
I think we should give him a few days to maul over his behaviour somewhat. Teresita still seems to be under the belief she is not a sysop so she is harder to deal with. CUR on the other hand relishes his sysopship so it might scare him straight.
I don't use email clients so I can't help you there. What did you do to yourself? - User 02:10, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, T is worse. After the Mega binge, I was lonely for some silly Cur action. I, er, closed my XP and it wouldn't reboot. I'm not running on an old mirrored HD that worked, copied lots of shit off the pooched HD, but still had to re-download and install firefox for it to work. Haven't succeeded yet with TB. I'm fucked, basically. I get to spend all tomorrow trying to re-access my emails without losing any. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:17, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh joy, I have been there more times than I have wanted. Doing your own tech work is cheap but frustrating. - User 02:23, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Yup, it sucks. I am back on FF, after failed attempts since my last edits here. TB simply isn't loading, so I am screwed. Maybe six or seven more reboots will heal this POS? meantime, I should make some fresh backup CDs... I am so screwed, I hate losing data.... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:51, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
I have been blessed by Saint Dogbert never to lost any data in my many crashes. - User 02:53, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Good for you! I once lost two months of "my life" - an entire very pleasurable relationship vanished into the mist! Right now, my "D & S" files were copied from recent "borken" HDD to old, "working" HDD - as you see, I can sort of get FF running. Couldn't for bit between my earlier comments and now, TB is totally borken. Fuck RW, I need my email to do my work! Will be calling my local pro tomorrow. Heck, I spent most of Saturday helping him install a lift in his new garage. He's always been there to help me out.... But basically, I'm screwed. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:00, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
I agree with the CUR thing BTW. The guy (?) really REALLY fucked me off today. Then he goes and creates a fucking Acequote template. Sure, could be funny but the fucker did it AFTER I had blocked myself due to him causing me an embolism in a deliberate attempt to provoke after I chastised him. Here Human you might enjoy this. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 03:08, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Your computer troubles[edit]

Hit it with a hammer! Word educated Phantom Hoover! 03:08, 14 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks, I already tried wrenching it! ħumanUser talk:Human 03:19, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Report: HDD incapable of booting XP in any way. Plugged in "identical" HDD pulled a year ago when my RAID died, worked fine. Plugged in "bad" HDD as "slave", and could read it. Did massive copying of data from one drive to the other and formatted the drive with the corrupted XP on it. Really need to buy DVD burner so backing up is easier (the days of fitting my backups into 700 MB are sadly long gone...). ħumanUser talk:Human 16:17, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Signed an edit[edit]

Oh god. I've signed edit comments, blog comments, emails... one day I'll sign a cheque with four tildes, I just know it. Totnesmartin 05:27, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Hehe... ħumanUser talk:Human 16:15, 16 April 2009 (EDT)

Re: Mike Malloy[edit]

I listen to Mike every night on AM950 KTNF, Minnesota's independent Air America affiliate. Good to see others like listening to some good ol' Malloy as well.The Goonie 1 21:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Hehe, so do I, but I had to lie about my zip code to pull in the stream. I've been following him around the 'net since he turned up at AAR v 1.0. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:27, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
PS, do you catch Brunch With Bernie (Thom Hartman, first hour of Friday's shows)? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:29, 20 April 2009 (EDT)


I see you desysopped me on a whim. Apparently now any one who portrays RationalWiki in a bad way is desysopped. If you do not give a better rational or resysop me, I will take you to the Admin Abuse desk. You have 5 minutes. --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 16:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

And you cannot desysop me for a comment on something else, I believe that is in the rules somewhere. Actually, I've had a change of heart. You have been taken to the admin abuse desk. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 16:18, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

CUR, please.. calm down. Emotional reactions will get you nowhere, nor will demands/ultimatums, especially with Human (in my opinion, not knowing either of you personally). If you truly want your sysopship back, here are my suggestions: 1) study the issues leading to this occurrance. 2) acknowledge your part in it 3) devise a plan to not have this happen again 4) relay this plan to Human and convince him of your sincerity. 5) sysopship should be returned to you. viola! - Refugeetalk page 16:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Too late, it's already at the abuse desk. What did I do? See here. Apparently we have a special code of conduct on other sites that prevents us from acting as we normally do here. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 16:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

You know what, I would have done the same thing as Human. After cutting a deal behind our backs with Fall Down, and then putting yourself forth as a representative of our site and being a supreme embarrassment, you can't be trusted to be a representative of the site, i.e. a sysop. You were given back your powers on the grounds that we would see if you could be responsible enough, and you weren't. Stop bitching about things well within your power to prevent. --Kels 16:28, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
CUR, just think for a minute. When I am at work (like now) do you think i behave the same way I do at home? At home I drink swear, drink heavily, wander around in a bathrobe and boxer shorts clutching a bottle of scotch and yelling at my girlfriend. At work I present myself in a different light. I wear a suit, I am clean, I drink coffee and speak politely. Same goes if you are representing RW somewhere else. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 16:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Right, so when the theemperor get desysopped? Where was this discussion? Why wasn't there a formal whatever? --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 16:33, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm just like you Ace, but the other way around. So my girlfriend thinks I'm really boring, and I keep getting fired. Is this normal? DogP 16:34, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
DogP, I would avoid wearing a bathrobe to work. Might help. Although there is nothing wrong with a scotch at lunch. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 16:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
EC EC) It's on AA now so this conversation is redundant. ToastToastand marmite 16:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
(xEC)CUR, you seem to be a drama queen. AFAIK, we have never been engaged in a discussion, but from reading your edits (which sometimes clutter the whole of Special:Recentchanges, I have to conclude that your persecution complex is so annoying that it will sometimes trigger persecution. And of course, I agree totally wiht Ace McWicked. larronsicut fur in nocte 16:38, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Need small--like in a cube 6 inches square--speakers to run into my small and cramped kitchen. Small, but still not sounding like total crap. Any suggestions? TheoryOfPractice 19:07, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

What continent are you shopping on, again? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:46, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Never mind, I stalked you at RWW, US-ish shopping location. It ought to be do-able, question is, who makes something? Can they be a bit taller than 6"? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:57, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Taller, yes by a few inches...wider or deeper, not too much. TheoryOfPractice 20:16, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
What's your budget? Also I assume bass isn't very important? Or is it? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:13, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Would like to bring it in for less than a c-note. Not expecting huge bass response, but want something better than your standard desktop computer speakers...TheoryOfPractice 21:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Hmmmmmm... why don't you just call me like the other guy did? #'s on the web site... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:44, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Unimportant Email[edit]

I sent you a largely unimportant email regarding the search rankings for the evolution article at a certain search engine starting with G. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 20:21, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I replied. OPERATION BRACE McWRANK is running at full speed! ħumanUser talk:Human 22:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


Has anybody every actually bought that thing?! Ohmy.gif And while we are discussing your company, I would also like to know what speaker you would recommend for a laptop computer, if you sell speakers oriented for laptop computers. JĀvąṢ₡ä₰ hi there 17:02, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Well of course, the INHuman is a joke... a purely fictional piece of vaporware. Not that I might not build a pair one day for fun... As far as laptop speakers, I guess I'd recommend the same as for any purpose - good sounding ones that balance the usual compromise between space constraints and overall sound quality (smaller speakers usually giving up more and more bass). So, at the "simplest", plug the laptop into an existing stereo via its line out jack(s) and an aux or tape input on the stereo. For a "standalone" dock on a desk, get an amplifier or receiver you deem appropriate, add some good speakers and that's the stereo system to plug the laptop into. Since the speakers will probably be quite close to you, a decent 6" two-way ought to be fine. My PC is plugged into a cheap used receiver which powers a couple of old EPI 60s. Then I run a tape output from the receiver through about 80 feet of interconnect to my "main" receiver, where it goes into a tape input. The main receiver send a tape output to the factory stereo with its overhead speakers and so on and so on. The upshot being I can listen to any source everywhere at once, and control it all with some extra remotes and remote repeaters.
A "schematic" is at the bottom of this file. Note, the office is in the factory, and the Genesis 11 speakers "in" the factory are actually in a separate workshop space. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:41, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Is it just us?[edit]

2 gay dudes and a straight dude walk into a RationalWiki. Discuss. User:Nutty Roux/signature 02:19, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Gunna go out and get some tail and drink some more cough syrup. Peace. User:Nutty Roux/signature 03:04, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
Yeah... ħumanUser talk:Human 03:20, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


Just thought you should know, your user talk page at WP is blocked by Microsoft when the Vista "parental controls" are activated. This is a little weird because:

  1. Your user page is not blocked.
  2. I can't remember any WP page ever being blocked before, and I've looked up some weird shit on there.

Bjones 17:15, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

That is strange. I wonder what about it is causing that? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:27, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

New article alerts[edit]

I think most of us are following Recent Changes still. If anyone really wants to find new stuff, there's always New Pages in special pages. Totnesmartin 08:55, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

True, though as someone said, things can get pushed off RC. And does anyone really ever check NP? Now, who knows if it will even get used, but since I usually monitor my watchlist (I prefer it to RC), I might like to receive such announcements. And, of course, all these groups are opt-in. However, I'm not wedded to it, it was just an idea - hence the intercom announcement asking for thoughts on it. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:32, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I predicted earlier this year (somewhere) that RW at its current rate of growth would make Recent Changes useless by Christmas, so these alerts (should be New Anything really) will probably be inevitable. So basically, ignore what I said this morning and go for it. Totnesmartin 19:52, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Bad craziness[edit]

Hmmm last night, after my usual case of beer, I indulged further with a variety of odd things and tasty snacks. I think perhaps I emailed you? I was messing around with my computer/RW account/email/facebook and I am not sure what I have done but I have vague, terror inducing memories. dear oh dear. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 20:54, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

I've had "mornings" like that... approaching PC in fear and doubt of what terrors I might have unleashed and backlashings I may have provoked. The minor ones are doing things like recreating "Hollywood values" on WP because someone brought its deletion up on talk WIGO. The worse ones are insulting the hell out of fellow Rats, or drunk-emailing women I'm not really in touch with any more. I've really tried to reduce drunk-dialling to zero, luckily I keep late hours so the clock keeps me in check a bit. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:03, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm well, I dont drunk-dail purposely I just end up pressing the wrong buttons. But jesus god, when I woke this morning there was shit all over the fucking place. My house looked like an animal had been turned loose inside. Various jesus statues were placed in significant positions, crap all over the floor, empty bottles and everything seemed to be covered in a thin layer of gruel. Hmmmmm, best not to dwell on these things. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 21:07, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
I think I have that movie. And the book. Classic HST... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:21, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
If it were just a movie then I wouldn't have to clean up when I get home from work damnit. There are these things on my desk and they keep moving around in my periphials but when I look at them directly the hide under the stack of papers on my desk. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 21:27, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
P.S. Thompson aint got nothing on me.
Naw, he was a wuss. Blamed everything on his lawyer... ħumanUser talk:Human 00:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
He also blamed Nixon for a lot. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 00:20, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, Nixon did get good drugs, and he did give good head... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Sunday Morning[edit]

So it was a typical Sunday morning. I woke, feeling sore from my violent acts the night before, and spent the better part of the morning wandering around in my bathrobe, smoking, swilling coffee and cursing those that wronged me. Then I dressed, showered and wandered into the street for my Sunday walk. I usually stroll into the city, pop codeine, buy beer and grab some breakfast.I was under instruction by the misses to buy a red-pepper. When I brought my beer I asked the kindly Indian chap at the counter if he had any. He said he might have some in the back so if I followed the passage, went round the corner and flipped the light switch then I would find a large storage fridge. I followed his instructions and found the fridge in question. I opened the door and, fucking hell, what in the name of sweet creeping Jesus is the odour. Such a dank, fruity, over-ripe oflactory sensation. I nearly vomited all over the counter and took leave from the store after berating the mans sanitary conditions. Whilst walking home, shuddering with memory and adjust sunglasses I saw a poster. Hmmmmm I thought, the reminds me of someone so I best take a photo and send it to them. However, only having my cellphone at hand, I had to take a less than sharp picture. I discovered when I got home that the picture I had taken on my cellphone was so grossly distored that I better find another source. See below. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 01:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Fuck, I got Aced sideways and upside down. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:58, 3 May 2009 (UTC)


Something's screwing up the tabs @ tyhe top of your user page ToastToastand marmite 01:34, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. It's not the DisplayTitle things, I tested that. Something must be awfully borken somewhere in there. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Unclosed tabs cause that. Check you userboxes, especially make sure they all have a and . - π 01:41, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, useboxes on this site are nasty, many were made and saved based on poor examples. They get largely tamed by the userbox box things, but still. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:43, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Fixed, it was an unclosed font tag. --  Nx/talk  08:27, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

My linguist ability list[edit]

Since you asked, Here is my linguistic abilities:

  • My first language is chinese (Traditional orthography, cantonese dialect).
  • Most of my English education has been done in the country of Canada.
  • I have problem writing in any language on any topic if it exceeds a page, so it is not specific to english. Thieh 06:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
Wow, I am impressed (with your English skills). I asked because I was wondering what language's syntax/grammar I was helping translate. No wonder I had no clue, I specialize in helping Ukrainians write English. Thanks for the answer! ħumanUser talk:Human 08:39, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


"I'm simply observing that many archaeologists (and you) don't appear to understand how hard it is to apply to full rigor of the scientific method to archaeological ruins" How many (name one?) archeologists are you arguing don't understand the scientific method? Oh, and once again, you insult me. I don't care, but you take the trouble to do so. ħuman be in 07:54, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

If asserting that somebody doesn't understand something is an insult, then you have been insulting me throughout our debate, as you have told me there are a number of things I don't understand, don't know, etc. You set the rules -- either allow us to say "you don't understand this" or don't. But don't do it yourself and then get all huffy about me doing the same thing. It's hypocritical, and downright Schlaflyesque. Thanks. Ungtss 08:14, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
Ooh, "Schlaflyesque". I thought the debate had turned a new corner with the last two sections or so. And who is "us"??? ħumanUser talk:Human 08:35, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
"Us" is you + me of course. You set the rule, I'll follow. Ungtss 09:10, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, that was weird. I got "new messaged" on this earlier today, and now again? Is someone playing games with the DB? PS, Ungtss "you insult me. I don't care" should pretty much close that issue, eh? (<-- Me being TK) ħumanUser talk:Human 08:52, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Try THAT[edit]

My Gaian Theory article has grown alot since I've begun researching it more. The actual science behind the hypothesis is actually pretty intriguing, and I have add much more of it. Check it out, and you'll see it's not all woo. The Goonie 1 05:55, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm Not Pushing An Agenda[edit]

Other than the will of the mob. So you needn't bring up the Ungtss block. I apologized, let's move on. Jorge hates leprechauns 04:37, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

OK, sorry, I probably mentioned it again, but I won't do so any more. But, really, cutting out an entire section is not the way to improve an article. Surely we can discuss the various "lines" in the section on the talk page and chuck the bad ones and keep the brilliance? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
In the future, I'll try to talk it over more first. To be fair I did make a link in the place where the list had been. No hard feelings, and to be fair, I do think the list is pretty funny. Sorry about the same thread on three different pages. Jorge Radix Malorum Est Superbia 04:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
It's OK. (I did see the link in the end, but obviously not on the talk page, where I added it) We all want the best for the site in the end, but sometimes we get caught up in "how" to make it better. It's quite likely that my deep love for the article the way it was will get overridden, well, that's OK, I'm not the boss of RW. As I said, I can keep a copy (or a diff link) if it matters to me. Let's just try to make the article the best it can be, RW-style, when we are done. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:52, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Lacks Goat?[edit]

I hate to admit it, but I guess I'm just not in on the joke. Please enlighten me. Jorge (don't believe a word he says) 22:16, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Goats are a combined mascot/running joke here, possibly from the idea of "sheep" and "goats" in pop psychology - goats being the people who think for themselves. That's my guess anyway. Totnesmartin 22:21, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I always took it to be the stereotypical assumption that the god-botherers think all us heathens, atheists and freethinkers are really sacrificing goats to Satan or whoever. --Kels 22:24, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, about that:visit my talk page if you need a sacrificing goat. — Unsigned, by: Cracker / talk / contribs
It's not even as deep as T and K above would imagine. An early/founding member, PalMD, started adding recipes mostly using goat, and the animal quickly became the "unofficial" RW mascot and running in-joke for whatever purpose it was needed. Perhap it's more fun to leave such facts in the mists of the distant past and let latterday mytholigists take over, though... ħumanUser talk:Human 22:47, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
I was under the understanding that the recipies were put up after "sacrifice a goat" jokes were already common. Although that might have prompted making it the official unofficial mascot. --Kels 22:50, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Hmmmm: "T and K above." An odd coincidence? T and K? Or a sigh of something more sinister? Amin7b5 23:06, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Kels, did you lurk at RW1? Because I suspect the evidence may be buried under a deep layer of alluvial silt. If the meme popped up back then, it would have no archeological trace of its genesis on RW2, it would just appear fully-formed. And something in me makes me think the recipes were antediluvian. We should really get Trent to post the archive of RW1 on a sub-wiki, uneditable, to aid in our research of this evolution/creation debate. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:13, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
  • 18:53, 24 May 2007 (hist) (diff) N Template:User likes goats ‎ (New page) - by DocSock.
  • 16:00, 29 May 2007 (hist) (diff) N Recipe:Goat vindaloo ‎ (New page) - DocSock's first recipe.
  • 09:21, 31 May 2007 (hist) (diff) N File:Goats.jpg ‎ (pub domain)
  • 09:21, 31 May 2007 (hist) (diff) N Goat ‎ (New page) - moar DS ħumanUser talk:Human 23:20, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
(malicious EC) Actually, I was made a member only two days before RW1 went bye-bye. So I could wander about and look at stuff for a little bit, but I never really got that deep into it before everything got changed. Looking at the diffs, it wasn't more than a couple of weeks later stuff like recipe:goat vindaloo and recipe:goat burger got added, so maybe you're right. --Kels 23:23, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
As you can see, Doc was busy at it only two days after RW2 started, and the first recipes came a week into the new site. That's probably what started the downward spiral, since Doc and his Sock were very active and influential back in those days. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
But now and he and mom (Ames) don't even talk any more, it's so sad to be a latch-key wiki. --Kels 23:31, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
And uncle Colin said he went out for cigarettes, but he never did come back... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:45, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Mmmmmmkay.....I can't say that really answers my question. Should I understand "lacks goat" to mean something lacks substance or otherwise doesn't mesh with the established paradigm? Just trying to clarify. Jorge (don't believe a word he says) 01:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... Goats really exploded as part of RW2. I don't remember much about them from RW1, but, you know, that was like 2 years ago, and I wasn't there but a few golden weeks. And it was sloooooow. Sterile search engine 01:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Jorge, "lacks goat" is RW slang for being off-mission, not funny, or otherwise decripitious in the view of at least one editor. We could say "lacks rationalwikiness", but since we have our official unofficial mascot, we can lean on that. Goatspeed! ħumanUser talk:Human 02:55, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Understood. I really am trying to be a good janitor. No hard feelings, right? Jorge Radix Malorum Est Superbia 05:52, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Of course not. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:00, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Contrib List on CP[edit]

You mean this, this, and that? or is the list some compressed version of it? (That's the best list publicly available) [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 05:58, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

What I had was a "by date" list of every article I created (and some deletion/recreation notes). Digging them out of 2000 edits will be a pain. Especially the ones Ed Smeg deleted. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
It was my fault for not keeping a local copy, of course. Knowing how the memory police at CP operate. Also, did it really matter? No... ħumanUser talk:Human 07:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
I was able to get your page from google cache, although it's not the wiki code, it's still better than nothing. Try this link: --  Nx/talk  07:16, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, your talk page: --  Nx/talk  07:17, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Nx! I forgot the wayback machines... it's ok if it's not wikified, since I'd have to delete all the links to post it here anyway. Or change them. Thanks again. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:18, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
No problem --  Nx/talk  07:36, 10 May 2009 (UTC)