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Fund raising template thing[edit]

Has been moved to RationalWiki:Site support/template


WHY MUST YOU DO THIS --מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

Hehe. Feel free to undo it if you think it improovs the article! ħumanUser talk:Human 17:02, 6 November 2008 (EST)
He's right! Why the revert?! Took my a long time to assemble that page. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)
We lost good IPs getting it there ... also, since when in chivalry did Bohdan get your unblocking past the others?--מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!
Thanks for removing that tag. It was gonna cause me problems with making this edit. ='D JuanK 17:27, 6 November 2008 (EST)
Hehe, @ Interpreted, it wouldn't last long anyway, would it? And as far as my unblocking, the infi-block of May 07 was undone by some priviged user snapping and going berserk, when it was reinstated it was for a more reasonable period (like six months?). Anyway, when B went to unblock me, he discovered I wasn't blocked. But my IP still was. Then through some fluke, comcast assigned me a new IP address, and voila! Human once more reigns supreme on CP! ħumanUser talk:Human 18:06, 6 November 2008 (EST)


Yes, maybe I should have a coffee before editing. Good job I didn't fix the Spanish history as well. :-) --Bobbing up 02:56, 7 November 2008 (EST)

Hang On St. Christopher[edit]

You're a Tom Waits fan? Awesome! A Writer of Vaudevilles 04:21, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Oh yes indeed... I'll tell you all my secrets but I'll lie about my past... ħumanUser talk:Human 12:29, 8 November 2008 (EST)
I'm a rain dog too! --Kels 12:35, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Fund drive thing[edit]

Think it is almost ready? tmtoulouse 12:41, 8 November 2008 (EST)

Pretty close, yeah. Although, that text I moved over to the left to make it "less tall" looks a little lonely. I haven't looked over the "slogans" much since fixing some typos there, though. ħumanUser talk:Human 13:39, 8 November 2008 (EST)
I think we should move forward with it pretty soon. tmtoulouse 00:04, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Thanks, fella :)[edit]

Good to have you back, btw. --Robledo 17:16, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Er, you're welcome... what did I do? Oh, you mean the caption thing? You're welcome! And it's nice to be back, thank you! ħumanUser talk:Human 21:05, 9 November 2008 (EST)

Party affiliation[edit]

I loved it:

R-South Africa

Hehe, thanks... it's an old joke, one of my little favorites that I first heard as "Strom Thurmond, the Senator from South Africa"... ħumanUser talk:Human 17:30, 10 November 2008 (EST)

Tomb of the unknown topic[edit]

Was that an Ibsen reference? Diego001 18:45, 11 November 2008 (EST)

I don't know. Probably not, but you never know. By the way, I also have no idea what you're talking about... :) ħumanUser talk:Human 19:04, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Oh, it's a play by Henrik Ibsen called A Doll's House. It's a fairly disturbing piece about traditionalist roles of men and women in society. You said "Welcome to the Dollhouse" on my talk page and I thought it might've been an Ibsen reference. Diego001 19:36, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Ah, now I see! No, it's just a reference to the fairly disturbing movie. Heck, I can't even spell Henrik! But thanks for thinking I might be smert. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:48, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Ah, I always think that of people. Diego001 21:52, 11 November 2008 (EST)
More disturbing is Happiness, written and directed by the same guy. CorryMom signed me up for the army, just because the fat man dared her to. 21:59, 11 November 2008 (EST)
Yes, excellent fucking movie. I found Dollhouse via Happiness. Happiness was moer "professional", as I recall (PS, funded my Michael Stipe?). Now I'm thinking of this totally sick German movie... talk about your family values... I'll dig out a title. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:10, 11 November 2008 (EST)

share 'em z Worldle cloud...[edit]

...when you have it.... Sterilevote! 18:26, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Wordle of kendoll regarding atheism.png
Here it be! ħumanUser talk:Human 21:03, 12 November 2008 (EST)
Pretty... Sterilerationalize 08:30, 13 November 2008 (EST)
Hehe, yeah... if I had the patience, I would have removed a lot of trivial words, but still. I should try again using all the text in the article... ħumanUser talk:Human 14:16, 13 November 2008 (EST)


I've put TK into the vandal group. We don't want him being disruptive here. Proxima Centauri 02:32, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Probably a good move... Wait, did he turn up here???? (checks to see) ħumanUser talk:Human 03:27, 15 November 2008 (EST)
Do we need to warn new sysops that they may get emails from TK where he pretends to be very nice? I hope I'm not overreacting. If there is any email campaign the first we will know is when a number of naive new sysops start complaining that we shouldn't be horrible to nice TK. He may set out to put people against me because I alerted everybody and put him into the vandal group. I'm a bit uneasy. Proxima Centauri 04:47, 15 November 2008 (EST)
I would hope any sysop who hasn't been witness to TK would at least research him. I mean, it's not like there's a lack of evidence of his "unpleasantness." I think you're safe :-) --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 05:18, 15 November 2008 (EST)
I think y'all shouldn't be so horrible to nice TK. :-( --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:25, 15 November 2008 (EST)
Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Sorry Proxima Centauri 05:28, 15 November 2008 (EST)

Again, TK is a nice addition both here and in CP. He has served his times away, he has got the longest blocks in RW. When someone will start complaining about his behaviour, then consider him a vandal. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 06:05, 15 November 2008 (EST)

If TK starts another email hate campaign we can't monitor it. We may not realize its going on till things break apart and Rationalwikiwiki is laughing at us again. Proxima Centauri 06:20, 15 November 2008 (EST)

So who are these innocent new Sysops that TK will lure into his power? At least they'll check him out. An e-mail has never killed anyone [citation needed], nor has anyone fallen to TK's evil strategies - apart from me, of course. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 06:23, 15 November 2008 (EST)
Speaking as a (relatively) new Sysop, it took me quite a while to understand just who TK was and what his role was on the site. Evidence of his jerkdom does abound, but it's fragmented at best. The Newcomer's Guide blurb on him is ambiguous--it makes him seem almost as though he's genuinely broken with Andy, repented, and reformed as a decent RWer. Because he's been so inactive on CP, he hasn't shown up very much on the newer WIGO pages or on recent CP speculation. Because the average page on CP has a life span of, like, a month before it's wiped, and because of his fondness for chatrooms/email/IM, it's hard to dig up damning records of his actions like you can with other Sysops. So, most of the information on TK's past comes from you senior RW editors--and secondary sources like that, especially to an ex-CPer used to untrustworthy sysops, might not be enough to convince new editors that TK actually is hostile and not just a a misunderstood user or the victim of a vendetta. If I hadn't gotten really bored one afternoon and decided to figure out just what the hell this guy was about, I daresay he might have been able to fool me for a while. So, yeah, I think it could happen. A Writer of Vaudevilles 07:12, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Probably the best history is on RWW RWW - TK. It may not be entirely impartial. --Bobbing up 07:47, 16 November 2008 (EST)
Writer, thanks for chiming in to answer Ed@CP. And, yes, it is very hard work to "catch up" on the TK story. Bob, thanks for pointing out the RWW article on him, it's actually pretty accurate and covers the story well. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:31, 16 November 2008 (EST)
just think of TK as the serpent in the Garden. ToastToastand marmite 19:08, 16 November 2008 (EST)
I think the phrase that describes him best is "destructive rules lawyer". Anyone who's ever gamed knows that type. --Kels 19:35, 16 November 2008 (EST)

Radioactive afikomen took TK out of the vandal group. I'll put him back if you want me to. You can put him back yourself. From his userpage I guess that Radioactive character is getting at you as well as at me. Proxima Centauri 15:01, 17 November 2008 (EST)

I'd say only put him there if he causes any trouble. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 15:17, 17 November 2008 (EST)
He's only made one edit here. He's concentrating on Conservapedia. If he does more those who know about him will certainly tell the others. Proxima Centauri 04:40, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I've paroled TK. If he causes trouble we can do a review. Proxima Centauri 09:24, 19 November 2008 (EST)

Side by side thing[edit]

I'm thinking of trying to a side-by-side to explain to meaning of some of the obscure gags in Essay:Wiki Parable. I believe there is a template for this? But I can't find it. Any ideas?--False Flag 15:41, 17 November 2008 (EST)

It's not a template in the wiki-sense, but a boiler-plate thing you can adapt to your needs: RationalWiki:Side-by-Side_Template ħumanUser talk:Human 16:24, 17 November 2008 (EST)
Thank you. I'll have to play with it later.--False Flag 16:45, 17 November 2008 (EST)


Our article on Jesus has replaced the official Conservapedia article. There is no reference as that would risk it being found faster. Naughty naughty Fuck and RationalWiki trigger the spam filter unless removed. Proxima Centauri 15:11, 18 November 2008 (EST)

How long will this stay? SandraD has already been blocked presumably for writing sensible stuff stuff about teenage pregnancy. The Jesus article seems to be staying. I'[ve lost another sockie. Proxima Centauri 15:19, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Another vandal added something else. Ed Poor reverted the secondvandal and left the RationalWiki article. Tomorrow I'll put all this onto Conservapedia talk:What's going on at. At the moment Conservapedia is less likely to notice it here. It lassted twenty minutes. ROTFL. Proxima Centauri 15:27, 18 November 2008 (EST)
Hehe.... Ed Smeg found it and reverted to teh Assfly's last version and protected it. Oh well. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:07, 18 November 2008 (EST)
I’ve added it here. Proxima Centauri 09:21, 19 November 2008 (EST)

The Right Reverend Father Human[edit]

You spent some time in a seminary? CorryMom signed me up for the army, just because the fat man dared her to. 17:49, 21 November 2008 (EST)

Hmmm, I doubt it... what did I miss? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:39, 21 November 2008 (EST)


I get this message:

You have been banned from this forum.
Please contact the webmaster or board administrator for more information.

While I wouldn't fault the wisdom of such a move soem warning I faced expulsion woulda been a nice touch. CЯacke®

I see nothing that would indicate you are banned - did someone else fix it since you left this message? ħumanUser talk:Human 13:42, 22 November 2008 (EST)
Nope, I can access it if I spoof an IP but cannot log in under "Cracker". It's not really a big deal. Nothing ever goes on there anyways. CЯacke® 14:43, 23 November 2008 (EST)
When I checked what wa s"blocked", there were no user names - but a boatload of IPs. I guess someone went nuts and caught yours up in the net? As you say, not much happens there anyway these days. I check every few days, and half the time there aren't even any new posts. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:33, 23 November 2008 (EST)


There is an edit war in progress at Wikiindex. Conservapedia doesn’t like the criticism that I and other RationalWikians wrote about teh Schlalfly website. Both sides asked for an impartial administrator. It looks possible, perhaps likely that the criticism will be replaced by links to our website with its even greater wealth of information and criticism. Someone wants an article with Constructive criticism of Conservapedia. Now since when has Andrew Schlafly PhD listened to constructive criticism? Any amount of work that RationalWikians have put into criticizing Conservapedia risks being deleted there. I’ve copied it here so it won’t be lost. See The Conservapedia RationalWiki War. When we know better what’s happening at Wikiindex we can decide what to do with it. A good bit of the discussion is at Conservapedia, RationalWiki etc. There is much more in the 2 articles, Conservapedia and RationalWiki. The Conservapedia RationalWiki war is deleted. See also the talk pages to the articles above. Proxima Centauri 09:21, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I deleted the war article over there. 2 users wanted it deleted. I've also put external links to RationalWiki into the Conservapedia article and the RationalWiki aticle. There's also a link to the RationalWiki article The Conservapedia RationalWiki War. Please bear that in mind if you consider deleting that one here. If the Conservapedians try to get those links deleted as well I hope other RationalWikians will support me over there. Proxima Centauri 12:43, 23 November 2008 (EST)
That shouldn't have been put in the mainspace. Thanks for the updates on the wikiindex wars... ħumanUser talk:Human 18:21, 23 November 2008 (EST)

Stupid Obligatory Headline[edit]

Why are we so cavalier with block rights? Wisest word Hoover!

Because we don't block people except for fun, and it's useful for them to be able to unblock themselves. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:24, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Hmm... A case of your finest block rights, if you please. Wisest word Hoover!

O Great Homo Sapien[edit]

I saw this quote written on a kettle, and I laughed far too hard for my own good:
May I put it in my random quote thingy on my user page? It is made of win. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 21:04, 23 November 2008 (EST)

I don't know what I have to do with it, but I don't see why not... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:48, 23 November 2008 (EST)
I just thought you captured the absurdity of Ken's Batphone calls quite nicely, and would have felt remiss if I didn't ask first. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 23:31, 23 November 2008 (EST)
No problem at all to quote (it's a wiki, after all), but what did I say and where that you want to memorialize? Just curious... about why American isn't curios!!! ħumanUser talk:Human 23:41, 23 November 2008 (EST)
Oh, the line I quoted above aping Kenservative's "Gentlemen" ramblings (this one: "Gentlemen-at-another-website-look-where-I-pimped-my-article-now-ZOMG") on Kektklik's talk page. It produced some major least I assume it was you who said it. No other humans wandering around here...--Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 02:27, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Ah, I found it. It helps to use the little "search" box in firefox... sure, go ahead and use it, fine with me. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:31, 24 November 2008 (EST)


Hey! I was looking through the list of Sysops and saw "town crier." What exactly is that (or is that just a faux billet that sounds funny)?--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 01:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think it's just a billet-doux put there to confuse you. The "user rights group" known as "town crier" carries with it no useful functions that I know of. Do you wanna be one? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:33, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Lol! Sure... sounds like loads of fun!--MAstEr oF pUPetStalk! 01:36, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Done... enjoy! ħumanUser talk:Human 16:55, 25 November 2008 (EST)

By all that's holy[edit]

You must stop him. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 23:02, 25 November 2008 (EST)

If he thinks he can eliminate all knowledge of donuts from the homskollar universe, he's got himself another stink coming. When is he going to write the AFD page with his "reasons", I wonder? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)
I dunno, but the history gives even Conservative an innocent playful side that shouldn't be forgotten. :( AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 23:49, 25 November 2008 (EST)
MarkR started it (in defense of the article), and also added a bunch to the article. Who knows what TK's gripe was? We may never know. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:59, 26 November 2008 (EST)
He is trying to suck the only remaining memory of the happy times on Conservapedia before people like him poisoned the water there forever? - User 01:06, 26 November 2008 (EST)
Sounds about right, if one is that obsessed. And I guess he is? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)

vandal help[edit]

AuH20 is a vandal (replaced life with "life begins at conception" or something), so I reverted his changes and blocked him for 3 hours. I don't know if I handled it correctly, can you let me know what I should have done? Alecwh 16:15, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I moved him or her to the vandal group... Sterilerationalize 16:18, 30 November 2008 (EST)
You move fast Sterile! Thanks, I'll remember to do that next time. Also, sorry for my gender specifying, there is no excuse. Alecwh 16:23, 30 November 2008 (EST)


What's the matter, man? Have you no seen the main page? Are you asleep at the switch? DickTurpis 00:32, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Looks fine to me, as usual. What did I miss? ħumanUser talk:Human 02:37, 3 December 2008 (EST)

You discussed me.[edit]

You always have and you always will. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 19:16, 3 December 2008 (EST)— Unsigned, by: Ajkeldsen / talk / contribs

Buah-huh? Pinto's5150 Talk 19:22, 3 December 2008 (EST)

What he said. ToastToastand marmite 19:25, 3 December 2008 (EST)

I feel as if I missed something. Carptrash 20:28, 3 December 2008 (EST)

Me too... must investigate this... ħumanUser talk:Human 20:31, 3 December 2008 (EST)
I can't find where I discussed you, Andreas dearest. Could this be a donut-related issue? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:40, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Fafuxsake; look @ teh HISTORY Ajkeldsen =/= AKjeldsen. ToastToastand marmite 20:48, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Someone should block a few of Bohdan's socks and force him to edit as himself, whatever that is... ħumanUser talk:Human 20:55, 3 December 2008 (EST)
This is too deep for me but I think I agree with you if you mean that one of any of us is probably enough. More than enough in some cases, but more of any of us is too much. Carptrash 20:58, 3 December 2008 (EST)
@Human. That was my instant identification too, but I had considered one or two others. ToastToastand marmite 21:01, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Uh oh, is that a headless chicken running around? --Vtalk
Narr! It's a brainless Bohdan! ToastToastand marmite 21:09, 3 December 2008 (EST)
I neither endorse nor condone V's comments, except say that a mistake was made. ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ Banhammer, Renamer, and Goat

Hermann, did you actually think that the post was made by Kjeldsen? Clym Yeobright 21:34, 3 December 2008 (EST)

I didn't care one way or the other. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:11, 3 December 2008 (EST)
I know what you mean. Who really cares about what Kjeldsen thinks anyway? Clym Yeobright 22:14, 3 December 2008 (EST)
I didn't care that it was deleted. Don't you trust me? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:22, 3 December 2008 (EST)
What are you talking about? What was deleted? Clym Yeobright 22:24, 3 December 2008 (EST)
Well said! I certainly never have! --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 06:10, 4 December 2008 (EST)

A very important email.[edit]

I have just sent you one. PFoster 21:04, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Got it, thanks. Ken will be very sad, hehe. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:18, 5 December 2008 (EST)

In all seriousness,[edit]

I need a bit of help finding the image of Teh Dancing Assfly, but have been unable to do so, much to my dismay. I started by searching on the Sysop page for Kendoll, but was unable to locate the image, and have been scouring the wiki trying to find it. Placed in one simple word... HALP! ĴάΛäšςǍ₰ Banhammer, Renamer, and Goat

P.S, did I manage to log you out?
I don't think you manged to log me out, no - how would you do that? Which image are you looking for? Not the clog dancing Irish girl... was there a modification of that? Can you describe it better, I'll try to help you find it. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:16, 6 December 2008 (EST)
Grunt work: where to start: ħumanUser talk:Human 00:21, 6 December 2008 (EST)
Ah, I see you, or some IP pretending to be you,[1] found it?[2] Good work, sorry I didn't have an instant answer, but you're welcome for the "nudge". ħumanUser talk:Human 01:18, 6 December 2008 (EST)

Philip J. Rayment[edit]

The bottom of Conservapedia:Sysops/Philip J. Rayment doesn't show. Why? Proxima Centauri 03:08, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Fixed. Runaway ref tag.[3] --Shagie 03:23, 9 December 2008 (EST)

Take over[edit]

You take over. I'm shutting down. Proxima Centauri 15:21, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Take over what? Blocking new users with one or even no edits? I don't understand... ħumanUser talk:Human 15:22, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Deleted articles don't show as contribs. It's Lay down again. ToastToastand marmite 15:29, 10 December 2008 (EST)
No, nothing was deleted. Fall down
Actually, FD, "bitch" was. ħumanUser talk:Human 15:34, 10 December 2008 (EST)
I don't believe that was created by Autumn flowers, though. Fall down

Well, thanks :) Here's one for the scientists here: Could it be that whatever is causing CP is actually contagious? You appear to be immune to it so far though. --Rose Pedals 15:34, 10 December 2008 (EST)

The answer is quite easy, my dear misogynist troll: Proxima works on many different wikis, most of which have much tougher attitudes towards vandals and trolls. She never really got immersed in our rather laissez-faire blocking policy here at RW. So when she encounters assholes spewing shite, she does what she would on any other wiki and blocks them for what seems to her to be a reasonable period given the luser's history, taking into account all user names, etc., that they have used. ħumanUser talk:Human 15:40, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Rose Pedals is not me; I always sign myself. Fall down

Well, thanks :) Here's one for the scientists here: Could it be that whatever is causing CP is actually contagious? You appear to be immune to it so far though. --Rose Pedals 15:34, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Hate to say this, but now you have all gone batshit insane. "Also, he was a sock of Hitler." was certainly a silly edit, but misogynist? MISOGYNIST? Are you sure it means what you think it means? Or is it something about my user name? Care to enlighten me? Apparently CP is contagious, after all. Godspeed to you all. -- 15:52, 10 December 2008 (EST)
No, you silly BoN, that was the "slightly funny" edit that I couldn't see why someone was blocked for. FD & co. is the misogynist I refer to. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:05, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Well, then I still don't get why I, "Rose Pedals", am again blocked for a year. But as I stated over on PC's talk, I guess I know what's going on... the trolls are winning. Sorry... -- 16:12, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Hi Rose. I must say that your "Charles Darwin was a sock of Hitler" edit did look a little like a vandal.--Bobbing up 16:39, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Yesterday there were 2 accounts for User:Rose Pedals. Computers could distinguish they had different contributions. Humans couldn't tell them apart so easily. What happened? Proxima Centauri 06:12, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Probably one of them was spelled with a capital "i" (I),which in sanserif looks very similar to a lowercase "L" (l). Fortinbrass 06:27, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Correction: no -it wasn't that they both appear to be spelled identically. Fortinbrass 06:31, 11 December 2008 (EST)

I blocked him for several reasons.

1. He turned up in the middle of a vandal attack.

2. The name, Rose Pedals was similar to User:Spring flowers, User:Summer flowers and User:Autumn flowers. Those three are socks of the vandal.

3 The first contribution this new user made looked like vandalism.

4 When the second Rose Pedals came up that confirmed this user is setting out to confuse us and I blocked again without hesitation.

I still think it's more likely than not that the Rose Pedals accounts are socks of the vandal. I think we should leave one of the two accounts open just incase he wants to edit constructively. If there's more trouble block him. Proxima Centauri 10:18, 11 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks for the update, yes, there was a lot of confusion going on. Hopefully it is all settled out now. ħumanUser talk:Human 14:01, 11 December 2008 (EST)
On an associated technical question, how come we have two different users with what looks like exactly the same name "Rose Pedals"? Look at the user creation log and the talk pages - they are different. Or are my old eyes playing tricks?--Bobbing up 14:24, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Is probably using a different Ascii letter for one of the letters - no idea which one - it's not cap i & lc L though. Or the space might be involved " " and "_" ? Fortinbrass 14:29, 11 December 2008 (EST)
"Rose Pedаls" "Rose Pedals" Hmmm. Firefox is marking the first "Pedals" as mispelled, so although even in a serif font it looks the same, obviously one of the characters is not. Copied into Word, changed font to "wingdings", the "a" is different. The "wrong one" is the one with the short talk page. Yup, copying the url shows the "a" is really %D0%B0, whatever that is. Should we rename them to something innocuous? ħumanUser talk:Human 14:31, 11 December 2008 (EST)
Well, they are pretty innocuous already. But it does rather indicate a knowledge of block circumvention, proxies, and trickywikying on the part of the innocent Miss Rose. Still - assume good faith, presumption of innocence and all that.--Bobbing up 14:41, 11 December 2008 (EST)
True. PS, by "renaming them" I only meant the one with the weird character in it. Perhaps Rose signed on using a mucked up character first then re-signed using normal letters? (The weird one was first, IIRC). ħumanUser talk:Human 14:46, 11 December 2008 (EST)
OK. Yes that could be the explanation. I'd put the first account in the vandal bin (for the "Darwin was a sock of Hitler" edit) when the second one was created, so I think her IP should have been blocked as well. Presumably Rose has a dynamic IP and she logged of and logged back in, was automatically given a new IP, and created the new account - without, what she suddenly realised was, a strange character. Isn't "assume good faith" a wonderful thing?--Bobbing up 16:06, 11 December 2008 (EST)


Not naming sections could be quite lulzy if used properly. Totnesmartin 15:32, 10 December 2008 (EST)

In theory, yes. Let's see how it works in practice! ħumanUser talk:Human 15:43, 10 December 2008 (EST)
In practice you can't jump to the section from the TOC. I just tried. Totnesmartin 16:31, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Just a general questions, do we use Checkuser on this wiki? SirChuckBCall the FBI 18:27, 10 December 2008 (EST)
No, Trent disabled it because we thought it was creepy having access to it. Theoretically he could do the equivalent by digging into the database, but he also takes months-long wiki breaks (ok, he does wander though in drag to see how the peasants live, and do things like relocate the server in the middle of the night). ħumanUser talk:Human 18:31, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Ah, I figured as much as nobody ever seemed to use it :) but that is good to know. SirChuckBCall the FBI 18:34, 10 December 2008 (EST)

thanks for the clean-up[edit]

You've always been good to me. Carptrash 18:21, 10 December 2008 (EST)

No problem. I live for fixing typos ;). You seem to have settled in here quite well, despite having to leave some of yourself at the door - I hope you're having fun! ħumanUser talk:Human 18:26, 10 December 2008 (EST)
Stay warm!

If "leaving some of myself at the door" is the same as "playing without a full deck" - then absolutely yes. I'm pretty happy just offering here what I feel no attachment to. Carptrash 18:38, 10 December 2008 (EST)

Hehe, well, yeah, there that, too. I know that to play here you have to hide some of your lights under a bushel or two, although of course even there you've figured out ways to have fun with it ("Is this where I put my UFO sighting?"). Also, those Carpchives are sure coming in handy! Got any Carpgarlic or Carppeppers to go with them? ħumanUser talk:Human 18:44, 10 December 2008 (EST)

S, did you happen to catch my UFO story? it was on my user page for a day. Longer than I'd intended, but with no power there was not much that i could do. Anyway, it went up pretty much for you, so you might as well catch it. Carptrash 03:29, 12 December 2008 (EST)

I have followed through on your clever plan...[edit]

"Anonymous User" (obviously not your real name), what's wrong with Jesus saying "Shut up!"?? I wasted time with your unsubstantial additions and found propaganda supporting tax-payer funded abortion and higher taxes, so it's obvious to me you're not here to think and learn. Like all atheists, you deny that Obama refuses to salute the flag and that including the phrase "under God" in The Pledge of Allegiance prevents incest. You can whine all you want, but the half-life of Carbon-14 may have only been 100 years at the time of Christ. I haven't seen you admit you're wrong about anything yet. I'll ask the simple question one last time, do you ever admit you're wrong? You're trespassing; don't return.--Andy Schlafly 12:05, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for helping straightening me out. - though my talk page might be a better place to meet. Carptrash 12:01, 12 December 2008 (EST)
That looks impressive, exactly what I had in mind but couldn't voice as well as Human. Pinto's5150 Talk 12:26, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Have you considered taking a speech or writing class at your local community college? Carptrash 12:39, 12 December 2008 (EST)
It's more my way of saying I had the general idea in my head, but had no clue in hell how to actually do something about it as I am, still to this day, a minor wikinub. Pinto's5150 Talk 12:49, 12 December 2008 (EST)
So, check back after your 18th birthday and we'll talk. Before then however, do not cross any state line to do this. Carptrash 13:01, 12 December 2008 (EST)
This conversation makes no sense. Banana Montgomery. JazzMan 13:35, 12 December 2008 (EST)
I'm just not sure how my name got at the top of all this. --Kels 13:48, 12 December 2008 (EST)
The template automatically puts the name of the user reading it. So I see my name. That's why I read this conversation at all, I thought they were talking about me! JazzMan 13:50, 12 December 2008 (EST)
It's all about MEEEEEEEEEE!!!! --Kels 13:51, 12 December 2008 (EST)
Yes Kels. Aaaaaaaaaall about you. JazzMan 14:01, 12 December 2008 (EST)

Vandal 2[edit]

I can't put User:Wilhemia "Wil" Grimlock Roberts "Rob" Farfenugin Spackletack Georgio Flimfam Oddrasia, Jr. II into the vandal group. The computer treated that as a valid name when I blocked the character. When I tried to put the long name into the vandal group the computer insisted that's not a valid username. Proxima Centauri 13:47, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Have you tried renaming them? I suspect the quote marks in the name are causing the difficulty. ħumanUser talk:Human 13:20, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Have you been hit by the New Hampster Power failures we've heard about on t'news? Wrap up warm. Frohlich 13:23, 15 December 2008 (EST)
I've been running my generator since midnight Thursday, yes. Internet & cable TV were dead from sometime Friday until sometime today, too. So I have heat, and water, and a working fridge, etc., I just have to spill gasoline all over myself at twelve hour intervals. Friday was the worst, so much power was out finding a gasoline station with electricity to run their pumps took hours. And an hour wait in line to fill up my jugs for the generator. Things are a lot better now, but my street still isn't turned back on. Thanks for asking :) ħumanUser talk:Human 13:28, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Stock up on petrol, tarpaulins, and guns, Human - this is only the beginning. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!
Petrol doesn't last long, and guns need ammo. I'm a'stocking up on gerbils. I can sell them to people and stay alive that way. Seriously, if one were to stock up for the 'pocalypse, it should be powder, shot and balls, food seed, and livestock. Oh, yeah, and a tank. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:07, 16 December 2008 (EST)

I just got home[edit]


from a library steering column meeting and it looks like this.
I did get a fire going and do have power, which is nice. Hopefully still will tomorrow morning. How is it going with you? I gave up t.v. years ago, so loss of cable is well, a pro-choice move for me.
Stay warm. Carptrash 22:43, 15 December 2008 (EST)

I heard you are expecting a "little" snow... like a foot or two? Best of luck, hope the power stays on. Cable for me is not all about tv. It's my innertubez. Looks very pretty, by the way, nice house, attractive aliens (or are those ghosts?) floating around in the air... sheesh, we haven't even had snow yet this year and we've already had a "disaster". Just refilled the generator, good til tomorrow afternoon. I hope they fix the damn broken pole up the road and turn our street back on before then. Anyway, snuggle in for a long one! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:02, 16 December 2008 (EST)


Since I'm stuck in an area deeply hit by the recession, and hunting for a job through the muck, I'm stuck here with very little to do during most of the day. If you have any pages that need a start in snarkiness, feel free to link them up on my Talk Page. I'll start them as best as I can, and at least give others enough rope to hang themselves, too. --Irrational Atheist 15:55, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Wanted pages is a good place to start - just ignore all those bible things, they are linked by a template, that's why they have so many in-links. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:22, 19 December 2008 (EST)
Will do. BTW, can you figure out what's wrong with the caption on the Jim Webb page? I can't figure it out. --Irrational Atheist 16:25, 19 December 2008 (EST)
You need to use "thumb" or "frame" to add a caption (I think frame allows it, anyway). "Thumb" defaults to the right and to user-preference specified width, which I prefer to allow. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:28, 19 December 2008 (EST)

Email confirmed[edit]

I've confirmed it now. Proxima Centauri 01:50, 20 December 2008 (EST)

Thanks. I have sent you a Very Important Email. Hehe. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:32, 20 December 2008 (EST)

A request (of sorts) Episode 1[edit]

Please may i (son of Philip DOUGHBRAIN Venson) be a sysop around here? (i gave PhilipV teh blockie once (check his block log, and look at the first one mwahahahaha)Samurai Fish 05:24, 22 December 2008 (EST)

You are heading in the wrong direction son. - User 05:32, 22 December 2008 (EST)
I think that you'll need to spend a little more time being sensible and productive first.--Bobbing up 06:08, 22 December 2008 (EST)

forget Yoko for a few[edit]

unless you want to include something by her on your 10 CDs (or albums) on a desert island. Get to it. chop chop. Carptrash 00:49, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Why 10? My 100 might include Live in Toronto, or whatever the hell it was called. "Don't worry Kyoko Mother's only looking for her hand" is heartbreaking. Especially if you know the story. But thanks for the advice :) ħumanUser talk:Human 01:01, 23 December 2008 (EST)

I am known through the galaxy for my willing and ableness to give advice and pretty much any subject. I still, however, need to work on taking it. Carptrash 01:34, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Me too. Well the last point, anyway. I am right now in a pissing contest with someone my boss dislikes, his boss dislikes, and, well, I dislike. Not sure if it's worth the nice chunk of monthly change at this point - wiki arguments are fun, you can alk away, apologize, people are generally decent, actually. This guy is just an ass, and I'm not saying I'm not, but he is saying I am. Not really how many $$ that's worth. Three snowflakes and a fluffy spring bullrush seed? CT, I do appreciate your presence here, even if it doesn't always seem that way. Actually, right now, I could use someone to talk to....... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:40, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Well my view is always that if you let someone else "make" you feel bad that you are giving too much away. Once you get into a negative downward spiral you need to just figure out some way to turn it around. And I've found that the most successful way for me to do it is to go to a better feeling place. Just stop the bad feels because they are all from inside you. So get control of that, then figure out what to do next. But this is not an easy thing. So think about the fact that you now have heat. That's got to get you feeling better. My cult claims that nothing is more important than you feel good. it also says don't proselytize, So what is the problem at work or can't it be done in less that 30 pages? Carptrash 02:00, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Yup agreed on the first, absolutely. The mellowing out is always vital, the essential disowning of the anger by coming to understand where it comes from? PS, I have sent you a Very Important Email (sorry, that's a bad CP joke you probably don't care about) that seemed to make sense to me as a way to "feel better". ħumanUser talk:Human 02:10, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, have heat. And when electric went out lat night again for four hours I made my own electric (although that depends on gasoline supplies). Have hot bath, do my own plumbing... there are things that matter more, always. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:40, 23 December 2008 (EST)


Sorry, this is much overdue, but I wanted to thank you for welcoming me to the herd. I have a feeling you'll see my every move, so I figured I better make nice. Although I'll make nice in a sincere way. Excuse me while I go off and redefine "sincere." A.Ha 21:14, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Eh, you're welcome, of course. Any user with "giggity" in their name creates a minor background chuckle whenever they edit ;) I, um, also edited your redlinked "sincere" so you don't have to redefine it :) (No offense intended!). Nice of you to turn up here and say hello. Now it's time to go add "Blondie" to our list of heavy metal bands... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:17, 23 December 2008 (EST)
Damn! Foiled again! A.Ha 21:19, 23 December 2008 (EST)


for cleaning up after me in Washington d.c. There are a few more marches that could be added, notably MLK's and perhaps the Million Man March might be fun. Anyway, I was wandering through the carpchives and just picked ones I was at. Then it's on to writing a piece about how rational these marches are. "Life is supposed to be fun." Carptrash 11:52, 24 December 2008 (EST)

Well, as you probably are aware by now, I have this rather large stash of commas I stole over at wikipedia. And if I don't get rid of them, I have to pay taxes on them. So it is my pleasure to disseminate them in places where they might be needed. And, yeah, I'd really love to see the million man on there, and MLK would be sweet, too. How about Hoover-era stuff? And what was that post -civil war (I think) veteran's march to get paid (or was that on the white house?)? ħumanUser talk:Human 16:36, 24 December 2008 (EST)


Okay, is fun and all, but I really don't know how to revert multiple edits to a page. I was going to do rollback, but I wanted to leave an edit comment when I did it, which rollback generally doesn't give me, and now I can't even do that. Help? --Kels 00:27, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Edit an old version. Click history or go back through edits, pick one you like, and make it shiny ;) Click "edit", click "save" after an appropriately disgusting edit comment. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:33, 25 December 2008 (EST)
Okay, so it's just editing at all. I wonder if that explains the diffs of TK or whoever adding a line to their talk pages for no apparent reason? --Kels 00:43, 25 December 2008 (EST)
If you edit and make "any" change, the edit "exists". IE, a space or line return is enough. This lets you leave an edit comment without any obvious change to the page. If you check the diffs on my talk page at CP, you'll see TK thanking me for capitalizing his god pronoun (which RW blocked me for a week for) in this fashion. Was that your question? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:04, 25 December 2008 (EST)

What is wrong with my cat?[edit]

She is very cute, she went to sleep in the card box. She is much bigger now. - User 21:00, 25 December 2008 (EST)

I'm sorry, there was a cat in there? I didn't see her. Feel free to revert, as always. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:03, 25 December 2008 (EST)
I think I have a better picture of her sleeping in the card box. - User 21:08, 25 December 2008 (EST)


The vote at Conservapedia:What is going on at CP? isn't working. Proxima Centauri

I've sorted it out - the entries need to be like "wigo1000" - all one word, not "wigo 1000". Unforktunately, it means any votes for the Obama smear one made so far are now lost. wassaiLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 09:38, 26 December 2008 (EST)
I noticed last night that the red arrows on all WIGO pages were broken, was that the symptom? I emailed Trent... is it all working again now? ħumanUser talk:Human 13:12, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Just me, all better after restarting Firefox. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:40, 27 December 2008 (EST)


H: nip over there & block an IP will you? Toast 20:19, 26 December 2008 (EST)

I presume you mean ? Sorry, I clicked on them a number of ways, and "block this user" was never on the screen. Maybe Proxima can do it? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:32, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Sorry, thought you were a burrowrat. Toast 20:34, 26 December 2008 (EST)
I'm not a sysop there. Proxima Centauri 11:45, 28 December 2008 (EST)
PS, I don't know why a "small" wiki like RWW allows IP edits in the first place... ħumanUser talk:Human 20:37, 26 December 2008 (EST)
And, no, since the rearrangement, I don't what, if any, powers I have there. It makes more sense for me just to be an editor, really, considering my level of activity here. I was a crat or at least a sysop "before the changes". Maybe check the sysop list there? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:37, 26 December 2008 (EST)
I just blocked the IP for a week. It doesn't look like you currently have block rights there. I would give them to you, but I can't work out how to. . . . wassaiLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 20:39, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Thanx, Ermine I was getting fed up with it. Toast 20:54, 26 December 2008 (EST)
Stoat, that's cool, thanks for getting it done. Personally, I think it is RWW's best interests for me not to have "big buttons" there, whether I care about their mission or not - too much conflict of interest? ħumanUser talk:Human 01:17, 27 December 2008 (EST)
I don't really agree about the conflict of interest thing, but if you really don't want those "big buttons", they can be very easily taken away again. Anyway, I've raised it with you on your RWW talk page. Probably best we discuss it further there. wassaiLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 11:03, 28 December 2008 (EST)
Thanks for the heads-up, I'll go discuss it there. ħumanUser talk:Human 14:20, 28 December 2008 (EST)


This is my official apology for knocking Yoko. I am sorry and deeply regret my own stupidity.

BTW, do we have an article concerning Simulated Reality? I was wondering if we had anything close to it and could write it. I want to avoid moronic entries from now on.--Nate River 22:24, 27 December 2008 (EST)

1) No harm, no foul, many people would have written the same thing. Apology accepted, forgiveness instantaneous. 2) Not sure what it is, I dunno, if you can write a start, and link it to and from other articles... why not? Doesn't sound "moronic" to me, sounds rather cutting edge, given the "Wii" commercial I see on TV. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:31, 27 December 2008 (EST)


Aside from PFoster's rather strange opposition to the band in all its aspects, the whole thing reminded me of a line from a Robyn Hitchcock live show I'd downloaded, where he and his band covered the entirety of Sgt. Pepper's, including tracks that were left off and put on other albums. Very good rendition, but there's a great line in the intro, "Obviously the Beatles are best known for their early hits like Beatlemania and We Are the Beatles, but they did carry on to make a series of very interesting records even as the Mersey Beat receded." Tongue very firmly lodged in cheek, there. If you're interested, the concert is here, and you can download it or just listen to it on the built-in player. Very convenient. --Kels 00:34, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Cool, I'll check it out. I am also dying to find out when Cheap Trick release their live 2007 performance of Pepper on DVD. PFoster is one of those jazz/classical types (I think) who just love to hate the Beatles as the "best of pop" - which they hate anyway. Remember the boos when Dylan !omigod! played an electric guitar? I'll stand the Concert for George up against any whiny crap PFoster has to say about "soul" and "performance" and "cats" eight days a week. I like that quote you made. Many Liverpudlians, apparently, prefer the early Beatles - their band, their sound. But if I were to go to a desert isle... Beethoven 5 & 9, A chunk of the Ring, some Mozart, Miles, and Rubber Soul, Revolver, Pepper, Abbery Road (maybe). Pet Sounds kicked the Beatles ass? Fucking clueless. There's a reason Brian Wilson "retired" for forty-odd years after Paul answered back with Pepper. </rant> And thanks for the link, I'll check it out... ħumanUser talk:Human 00:44, 28 December 2008 (EST)
There's a reason Brian Wilson "retired" for forty-odd years after Paul answered back with Pepper Three of them actually. Psychosis, cocaine and quack shrinks. PFoster 00:50, 28 December 2008 (EST)
And being beaten at his own game didn't come into play at all? PS, I've heard Pet Sounds. Some nice harmonies, but fairly juvenile lyrics. A few nice hooks, but [no] real ideas that I noticed. But then again, I haven't listened to it 1000 times, so who knows? A Love Supreme, however, makes me want to listen to it 1000 times. Pet doesn't. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:52, 28 December 2008 (EST)
(major EC) Well, I think there's a disconnect between "better" (whatever that means) and "enduring" or "influential" in regards to the page. There's a lot of stuff that's probably technically better than what the Beatles did, or at least much of the stuff Paul wrote. Hell, even some of Metallica's early stuff was technically excellent. And I won't discount Pet Sounds, it's a great album. But when it comes to enduring appeal, wide-ranging influence and yes, there are some very good performances and writing in there too at times, it's hard to hold a candle to the Beatles in modern music. There are a few others they stand with, like the Stones who I mostly don't care for, The Who, and so forth, and that's cool. But complexity and inventiveness isn't necessarily the point there, is it? --Kels 00:54, 28 December 2008 (EST)
Yes, enduring vs. critics is an interesting issue. Why is Beethoven's 5th such a big deal? Because it is so accessible? Critics love stuff that never sees the light of day, and no one cares. So the critics are also a problem. In the end, I'll go with the Pyramids and the moon landing. Oh, and Pepper plus the Penny/Fields single. Hehe. You forgot the best work of Queen, and others... but the others... I always compare them to the Beatles best work, which was spread over the last few albums. Eh, it's an argument best turned inside out and into a listening festival, not an angry hate thing "hey, listen to this!" "then let's listen to this" "then this!". The whole "so-and-so sucks" or "I hate so-and-so" drains all the fun out of talking to other people who are really into music... I'd rather get their recommendations than hear them slam stuff I like. Remind me to mention the 17 YO christian who works next door sometime... (it's a good thing) ħumanUser talk:Human 01:04, 28 December 2008 (EST)
You get the same sort of thing in art as well, even within genres. Hell, even between black & white illustrators and colour illustrators, let alone among the many sorts of comic and animation types, and of course the fine artists hate us all, and so forth. It's much more fun just to throw things we like at each other and get all enthusiastic and gush about the things we love. Like me telling my 20-something friend about the wonders of Supertramp earlier today. --Kels 01:07, 28 December 2008 (EST)
Gawd, I hate Supertramp. But they were so great! Hehe.... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:16, 28 December 2008 (EST)
Hadn't listened to them in ages, and then Breakfast in America came on my friend's internet radio station, and reminded me that they did way better stuff than that through their career, and I was telling my friend about it. You know how it goes. But there was good stuff out there that I got into at the time, like Yes, and Rush, and Alan Parsons Project, and Styx, and Al Stewart, and, and, and... --Kels 01:19, 28 December 2008 (EST)

The Beatles? Oh—you mean old-people-music! : ) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:08, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Growing older, but never getting old! --Kels 01:09, 28 December 2008 (EST)
"When I get older, losing my hair... many years from now..." I added it but someone pissed on it probably. Paul originally wrote it at the age of sixteen. I claim Liberal Censorship! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:12, 28 December 2008 (EST)
My favourite example of the old classical music vs. rock & roll argument is this early interview with Pink Floyd, especially the interviewer's comment at the end. I did have this linked from the "greatest achievements" essay, but somebody else took it out, thus robbing my tongue-in-cheek rant at the end of the music section of its punchline. wassaiLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 11:09, 28 December 2008 (EST)
I've decided that I play Sgt. Pepper and Pet Sounds, or select cuts from them, about the same amount, both at home and on OMAR's Dance Party, on KLDK, which is about as often an any single other album, except a few Best Of collections. Around the house, played by me and my soul mate, I'd say that Ludwig's 9th probably gets the most air time.
Two Pepper's from the carpchives. It's not just photographs. you know.
Cool. I have about eight B9's, all good. 3 copies of pepper, but all the same (stereo) mix. I have asked my parents for little in their wills but - my Mothers English cooking scale (awesome three beam thing! In English, they work by weight, not volume) and my Dad's Sgt. Pepper - mono, ca. 1967. The mono mix is the one the Beatles attended, ironically. The stereo mix was done after they got bored and went off to get stoned. KLDK? I'll have to check that out - do they have in internet stream thingie? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:55, 30 December 2008 (EST)
No inernet thingy for KLDk, but they can be found here [4] - which is better than being here [5]. We are 100 watts of community action. So imagine a 100 watt light bulb atop a near by hill, and if you can see it, you can hear it. While this explanation might be more woo-woo than science, it might not. Carptrash 11:18, 31 December 2008 (EST)
Nice piccy. Yah, your analogy is ok, but falls apart on analysis ;) Is this a 100 watt incandescent? Sodium vapor? Mercury vapor? Fluorescent? LEDs? Trouble is, incandescent lights are very inefficient, making mostly heat, so the 100w bulb only makes (I think) a few watts of light output. Your radio station is actually broadcasting 100 watts of output. Which is, of course, tiny compared to commercial stations (etc.), but not too shabby for a community station. However, as a metaphor not to be taken strictly, it's perfectly apt. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Request for assistance[edit]

Over at RWW, I am trying to create a template to display a random featured article, similar to what you have here, but it is not working. I request your assistance with it. Hans Johnson as in "keep ya hans off my" (cover your eyes!) 17:52, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Think you need DPL. Toast

Nevermind, Human. Fat Tuesday was able to help me; it's fixed now. Hans Johnson as in "keep ya hans off my" (cover your eyes!) 18:41, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Happy New Year[edit]


I assume it is New Year where you live now judging by the server clock. - User 00:02, 1 January 2009 (EST)

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Thanks, yes it is. Nice balloons! Party time! Have some of Hoji's goat pilaf! ħumanUser talk:Human 00:09, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Banana.gif Beer.gif Friends.gif Th hug.gif Hump.gif Laugh.gif Party animal.gif Wave.gifToast 00:14, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Wow, dancing bananas and stuff!!!! I suppose booze would just be so... predictable. So I made it small. I think we have some fancy beers around here somewhere... ħumanUser talk:Human 00:18, 1 January 2009 (EST)


fill up with this. Toast 00:46, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Yum! You know what I miss most? Random pwnage and wandalism of our own site. We have become far to SRS BSNS. Let's wreck this place and spend the next week cleaning it up! The best targets, are, of course, user pages, followed by user talk pages. But hell, let's outdo the Freds and the members of KISS, etc. We have the skillz, we have the rollback buttons, LET'S PARTY LIKE IT'S 1999! (oops) ħumanUser talk:Human 00:53, 1 January 2009 (EST)
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A Question[edit]

Why does my signature still show up w/ my old username? PFoster 03:52, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Probly cause the nickname field in your profile is set to PFoster, if you delete it you'll get your default sig back. --JeevesMkII 04:13, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Poe's law[edit]

Please can you tell me why my edit was reverted? The site that I linked to was relevant and I thought it was better to display the other sites in a list D-Notice 10:17, 1 January 2009 (EST)

Hmmm, let me try to remember... that was the Palin thing, right? Well, since it's obviously a parody site, I mean, obviously real, oops ;)... I think one reason was that Palin jokes are going to be very much yesterday's news soon. So, like when someone went around adding Blagojavich (sp?) jokes all over the place, it sorta triggered my "soon to be stale" button. Perhaps we should discuss the inclusion of other/more sites at the talk page? That way anyone else who cares about it one way or another will notice and chime in. ħumanUser talk:Human 14:38, 1 January 2009 (EST)


You are aware you just unblocked a heap of Fall down's socks aren't you? - User 22:58, 2 January 2009 (EST)

That is what the vandal bin is for....tmtoulouse 23:09, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Gee, like FD can't make more? Better to let them edit slowly, as themselves. I will be unblocking more soon. I have this fetish on RW: If I can't read the "current blocks" list on one screen, there's something wrong with it. You could buy me a bigger monitor ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 23:21, 2 January 2009 (EST)
He can move as many pages as he wants though as you just saw. If he moves a page over the top of on with content we lose the content. - User 23:23, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Actually once he is in the vandal group he can no longer move any pages. tmtoulouse 23:28, 2 January 2009 (EST)

(EC)Is it a wiki war? I guess I shall stop adding to the BAC and pay attention? (I'm stil trying to rename "Ass-rape Alison Cassidy" to gently-fondle-something...) ħumanUser talk:Human 23:30, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Oh, gee, that's so "easy" - no hammer to wield! ħumanUser talk:Human 23:30, 2 January 2009 (EST)
I already renamed the Alison Cassidy. BAC? - User 23:33, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Blood alcohol content my sheltered friend :). tmtoulouse 23:35, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Ah! That what I should be doing today but I crashed my car so I can't get out to that beer-pong game. - User 23:38, 2 January 2009 (EST)
I dont drink cheap enough beer for beer pong any more :(. tmtoulouse 23:40, 2 January 2009 (EST)
I was going to use the good quality stuff I found in the fridge at Uni. They did send an email out saying clear out the fridge, they should have stated what to clear out. - User 23:43, 2 January 2009 (EST)
I blew way too much money on expensive beer last night...but they had Chimay on tap! On tap! tmtoulouse 23:48, 2 January 2009 (EST)
Hehe, thanks Trent. What did you call the loser? I was gonna run with a "gently fondle nnnnn X" meme, but you beat me to it. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:36, 2 January 2009 (EST)
I think it something to do with how much he respected women. - User 23:38, 2 January 2009 (EST)

Help me![edit]

Hey Human: so I lost my password for user:MexMax and didn't have an e-mail address to match it. What can be done to recover that account, or should I just use this one?-Mex Max 14:17, 4 January 2009 (EST)

I think passwords are encrypted, so in the absence of an email address they are inaccessible even to someone with server access (especially to them?). Oh well :( There is one way to get you "MexMax" without the space back, if you want - we can rename MexMax, which will make the user name available to register again. HumanUser talk:Human 16:36, 4 January 2009 (EST)
Or, if you have access to the database, you can just manually replace the hashed password. I'm not sure what they use (probably md5?), but it's very easy to do... Alecwh 02:07, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Yes, there are ways to do this server side. 02:50, 8 January 2009 (EST)


Hi Human. I have created three new templates Template:Holydaze/TODAY contains the code that was originally on Holydaze to create the automated days. I also have Template:Holydaze/TOMORROW and Template:Holydaze/YESTERDAY which have the code set up so as to give positive responses for today being tomorrow and yesterday so as a result will display tomorrow and yesterday's holydaze (including the moving month based ones and Easter). So assuming these work as I expect them to, with a parser function I can get a day to display over three days. I was think about 8 hrs either side. - User 01:51, 8 January 2009 (EST)

Excellent! Are these times all based off UTC? Doesn't the official "day" start 12 hours before that and end 12 hours after it? Ah, it runs from UTC-11 to UTC+13. I guess eight hours +/- would be fine, although -11/+13 would be sweet (that's the "48 hour day" I was referring to way back when). ħumanUser talk:Human 14:05, 8 January 2009 (EST)
12 would cover everyone, but how many people are up editing in Nauru at midnight hoping to see the correct holydai? - User 18:32, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Well, we have people in NZ and Alaska, so let's at least cover that range? (+/- 8-10 hours?) And many of us are active at our local midnights, right now it's disconcerting to see a holydai start at 7 PM and end before it's over :( ħumanUser talk:Human 19:14, 8 January 2009 (EST)
I'll set it and you can tweak it to your heart's content. - User 19:16, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Oh, that's outstanding. I'm sure [CUR] will want to improve it too, once he/she/it finds it! ħumanUser talk:Human 20:51, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Oh good God no! I am not going to be able to sleep now thinking he might go near my ad hoc assembly carefully constructed templates. - User
Template:Holydaze. - User 20:53, 8 January 2009 (EST)
I wondered at that omission, Human. I'm sure you're right. fröhlich "gay" and "happy" 21:22, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Nice work, Pi! I've been meaning to zap/translate a few more of the leftover manual ones soon. One issue is the equini - they sort of dodge back and forth between a pair of dates irregularly. I wonder if it would be best to just "move" the subtemplate back and forth so it's in the right place for the following year? The March one is steady for the next five years, but the Sep. one goes 22,23,23,22,22,23... Any ideas? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:38, 8 January 2009 (EST)
There is the Thai solar calendar we could link them too using special parser function if Trent wants to install them. I don't like to annoy him too much at the moment. - User 22:20, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Sweet idea (can we do the Chinese new year the same way?), after the server move is over. We'll next see Trent late this spring ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 22:42, 8 January 2009 (EST)


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This is a service announcement: Please be aware that Limp Bizkit has sucked ever since Borland left. Thank you for your attention. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 21:52, 8 January 2009 (EST)
The electrocutioner showed up last night. It appeared that he and I were the only ones on at the time and he wasn't doing an major damage, so I let him go until he ran out of steam and left out of boredom. - User 22:23, 8 January 2009 (EST)
I found its "contributions" quite amusing. So I guess I am saying you made the right decision. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:40, 8 January 2009 (EST)
I suppose as long as I'm doling out apologies I should tell Human I'm sorry for intimating that he'd never won Grammies. The electrocutioner 14:05, 15 January 2009 (EST)
Also: you have the most annoying user page I have ever seen. Those goddamn banners make me want to rip out somebody's spleen. The electrocutioner 14:08, 15 January 2009 (EST)

Community Standards[edit]

In an effort to update our sometimes too-vague and too-often ignored current Community Standards, I drafted a possible update of them. The draft can be found here. I invite you, and the rest of the site, to discuss this important issue. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:37, 9 January 2009 (EST)


Bob and you thought a side-by-side page comparing the old community standards with the proposed ones would be a better way of presenting them. Did you mean something like this? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 00:44, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Close, but I'm not sure it's quite right (good try though) - again, it's a constitutional convention by fiat. I would say, first, you have to express, clearly, what might be wrong with the standards as they are. Then propose - or ask for (much better, IMHO) - improvements - not on a page only you edit, but on a discussion page, and don't change it as the discussion progresses. Let people suggest changes/improvements if they want, or express their content with the status quo. Again, first, you have to get people on board with the idea that "something is wrong and needs to be fixed". Which I am not convinced that you can do (since this wiki runs pretty damn well, considering that it has no rules). ħumanUser talk:Human 01:06, 10 January 2009 (EST)
(Yes, in the same sense that a drunken sailor with a broken hip walks pretty damn well. He gets there, but it ain't pretty.) --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 09:16, 10 January 2009 (EST)
What you suggest is that I should effectively stop what I am doing and justify needing to update our existing community standards. Yet that response to the suggestions has largely been positive, with some nitpicking about individual points. Why should I have to run it by other people for approval, when other people have already implicitly approved of the effort?
The community standards, as you yourself have said, are simply "guidelines". Yet you oppose the updating of them as "rules". The only logical conclusion to draw from you statement(s) is that you are either drunk again, or you are opposed to the very existence of our community standards as they are now. Furthermore, 80% of what I have added was simply an expression of what we already do (e.g. removed the almost-never-used Fibonacci sequence for blocking, described the process for demoting sysops as it is currently done, etc). Are you also opposed to making it easier for newcomers to understand our way of doing things, then? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:09, 10 January 2009 (EST)
What I suggest is that 1. You present a clear argument that our guidelines are out of date, ignored, unclear, whatever. Then 2. present specific cases and possible solutions, one at a time so they can be discussed clearly. The response was largely positive? Clearly you are ignoring some of the larger criticisms, at the general level - as you are trying to shut down my suggestion here, by claiming largely positive responses.
"Why should I have to run it by other people for approval, when other people have already implicitly approved of the effort?" What exactly does that even mean? If there is dissent, it needs to be addressed. If there is complete consensus (ie, unanimous?) then, let it be done.
Your ad hominem attack and insult is duly noted: Human's "drunk again", let's ignore him.
I understand some of where you are coming from, but why do you need to come here and accuse me of inebriation, when all my edits to the "constitutional convention" page have been thought out and clear?
"Are you also opposed to making it easier for newcomers to understand our way of doing things, then?" My turn for an ad hominem - that's how TK writes emails. Please stop power-tripping. Your ego and issues were clearly apparent in the original "the person who suggest the move should have the 'privilege' of executing it". ħumanUser talk:Human 22:01, 10 January 2009 (EST)
I apologize for the you're-drunk ad hominem and my very TK-esque "then you must oppose this" comments. I'm sorry for failing the ideal of refraining from personal attacks. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 22:15, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Accepted on both counts and forgiven (to be human...?). We all make slips and type things we didn't intend the way they come across. The message I am trying to get across still matters, though. I'm trying to coach you in how to "manage" this mess, if your up to it. Discussion still going on at the RW page, of course. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:20, 10 January 2009 (EST)
The following is a point-by-point rebuttal, which I promise shall not engage in any ad-hominem attacks or unseemly suggestions:

What I suggest is that 1. You present a clear argument that our guidelines are out of date, ignored, unclear, whatever.

I do not need to. The reason why is this:
The talk page edit history shows the following people have responded so far on the talk page:
  • You
  • Me
  • AKjeldsen
  • Armondikov
  • Bob M
  • ConservapediaUndergroundResistor
  • FalseFlag
  • Frohlich
  • Gauss
  • Netharian
  • NightFlare
  • TheoryOfPractice
  • Tmtoulouse
  • Toast
  • Totnesmartin
  • Weaseloid
  • П
Because they responded on the talk page, we can assume that at least these individuals have read the material on the article page. All of them had the opportunity to express their opposition to very act of updating/changing the community standards. Yet only one person has demanded that the debate over the issues effectively be halted so it can be proved that rules must be changed in the first place. Only one has expressed a wholesale opposition to any rules. And that user is you. To describe what you are asking for, 18 people (the number of people in the list I supplied, not counting you) are discussing something already, and 1 person has demanded that they stop and first justify why they need to talk about it. How is that just? If they are already clearly interested in discussing a particular goal (that of updating the community standards), why should they first stop and justify it to you—and I do mean only you, as you are the only one demanding they do so.

Then 2. present specific cases and possible solutions, one at a time so they can be discussed clearly.

That is precisely what is being done on the talk page. I tried to address you concerns about the format it was presented in (you suggested that I present it in a side-by-side, point-by-point format), although your response seemed to be more interested in stopping the process entirely and rebooting it to conform to your own tastes. If more people people would like to see the proposals presented differently, then I would be only too happy to comply.

The response was largely positive? Clearly you are ignoring some of the larger criticisms, at the general level

I apologize for not being clear enough. When I said that the response was largely positive, I referring to people's response to the idea that the community standards should be updated. None of the people listed above (again, aside from you) have said anything indicating they oppose the updating of the community standards.

- as you are trying to shut down my suggestion here, by claiming largely positive responses.

Claiming largely positive responses is not trying to "shut down" suggestions. It is a rebuttal—a rebuttal of your suggestion, which claimed that it was necessary for me to justify any attempt to update the community standards. And what my rebuttal was saying was that mobocracy had spoken, and it was clearly interested in updating the community standards.

"Why should I have to run it by other people for approval, when other people have already implicitly approved of the effort?" What exactly does that even mean? If there is dissent, it needs to be addressed. If there is complete consensus (ie, unanimous?) then, let it be done.

When I said "Why should I have to run it by other people for approval, when other people have already implicitly approved of the effort", I was pointing out that no one has objected to the idea of updating the community standards.
Your right, dissent does need to be addressed. Which is what I am doing right now by responding to you.
There is a consensus, and it is "being done". As I stated earlier, numerous people—including yourself—contributed and are contributing to the effort to update the community standards. On RationalWiki, which, as of this month, has only 50 active users, 15 registered users (discounting the unregistered IPs and you, of course) appearing on a page and and approving of the effort taking place is a phenomenal consensus. No matter how much you call it a "fiat", unless you can muster a few more users to oppose, not just how some things are worded, but the very idea of updating the community standards, then our efforts represent the consensus.

Your ad hominem attack and insult is duly noted: Human's "drunk again", let's ignore him.

I understand some of where you are coming from, but why do you need to come here and accuse me of inebriation, when all my edits to the "constitutional convention" page have been thought out and clear?

I have apologized, and I apologize again. My personal attack on you violated the community standards, and common principle. I am sorry.

"Are you also opposed to making it easier for newcomers to understand our way of doing things, then?" My turn for an ad hominem - that's how TK writes emails.

That is only fair. I attacked you, you can attack me.

Please stop power-tripping. Your ego and issues were clearly apparent in the original "the person who suggest the move should have the 'privilege' of executing it".

You are under the impression that I am doing this purely for the ego-tripping. I am not. Also, I never used the word "privelege", the actual text used the passive phrasing "gets to".
I realized soon after that it had no place in the community standards, and I removed it. I do apologize for letting my personal preferences color what is supposed to our community's standards. It has been rectified and I didn't put up any sort of fight over it, so I do not see how that reflects an ego problem or "issues". If anything, my amenability over the subject argues against me having problems.
Furthermore, how is the idea that the person who makes a suggestion gets to be the one to carry it out considered egotistical, or revealing in any way any "issues"? I find that insinuation to be more offensive and degrading than the comparison to TK. It rejects that I am capable of maturing, and assumes that I will always just be an egotistical power-mad person incapable of changing or growing.
I genuinely want the community standards to be updated, and even if the final version accepted shares not a single word in common with what I would like it to say, I would still be happy to see it done. (Which is not to say I won't argue for it to more closely reflect what I believe it should say—just like everybody else is doing on the talk page.)
That concludes my rebuttal. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 01:09, 11 January 2009 (EST)


I don't want to get caught up in this feud, but I'm concerned about the comments above (if I'm reading this right) suggesting that community standards might become "rules" rather than guidelines. As far as I'm concerned, that theme wasn't explicit or implicit in RA's new draft of the standards. If that really is what's being proposed, can it be discussed on the revamp's talk page, so everyone can give an opinion on it? The users listed above have spoken in favour of rewriting or updating the community standards, but not necessarily applying them as "rules". I think that most people would probably still support them being guidelines/standards only. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:57, 12 January 2009 (EST)

That particular question seems completely semantic. Obviously, the point of having guidelines in the first place is that people should generally do what they say, otherwise what's the point of the whole exercise? Whether we then call them "rules" or "guidelines" or "divine mandates" or whatever doesn't really make a difference - the only difference is simply that according to the prevailing RationalWiki discourse, "rules" are bad and "guidelines" are not. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 13:02, 12 January 2009 (EST)
Ohhhh, can we pretty please with a cherry on top call them "divine mandates"? That would be the shit. tmtoulouse 13:07, 12 January 2009 (EST)
There's a pretty big difference in the meaning; I guess you could call it semantic, but I think it's pretty important. "Guidelines" give guidance in what to do - yes, they should be followed as much as possible, but there are common sense exceptions and situations where they don't quite apply. Similarly, "standards" express what is the norm. "Rules" are more rigid, and would imply some sort of authority &/or disciplinary process to back them up. As it is, the guidelines are only enforced by (& only exist because of) community consensus & peer pressure (I.E. mobocracy). There are times somebody might use their own judgement & do something outside of the rules; other people might approve or disapprove. It doesn't automatically become an issue just because they've broken a rule; it only becomes an issue if other users object. Essentially the difference between community guidelines & site rules is the difference between saying "what we do is ---" and "what you must do is ---". WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:41, 12 January 2009 (EST)
I don't really think the difference is all that significant. Fundamentally, we have a social group with a set of norms for behaviour. You are correct that the guidelines are fundamentally an expression of "what we do, but implicit in that statement is also the complimentary statement "this is what you must do to join and remain in this group."
The fact that there is no formal disciplinary apparatus to support the rules does not tell the whole story, either, because that just means that a failure to follow the norms will result in the rather effective disciplinary measure of various degrees of exclusion (or of course in a change of the norms if the group agrees with the different behaviour, but that's a different aspect.) That can either be a forced exclusion, such as the vandal brake, a block or simple social ostracism, or it can be voluntary, if the person doesn't like the environment and decides to leave. In that way, peer pressure can be a very strong informal source of authority in itself. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 14:28, 12 January 2009 (EST)

What is still broken?[edit]

People have been dropping "this is broken" nuggets on a half dozen talk pages....I am uploading a backup of the server as I type, and know there are some kinks to work out with some of the wikibots, but other than that my list is done. If there is something else broken I am not aware of it and should be made aware of it. So you know of anything? tmtoulouse 23:29, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Apart from not being able to access the site for some hours? - No. (now can't get RWW BTW) Toast 23:40, 9 January 2009 (EST)
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..............................that was a...........mistake. tmtoulouse 23:42, 9 January 2009 (EST)
I think JS was the root to many broken parts whinges. I see the "0" tab is back, and the junk below the edit screen works, so things are probably close to 100%. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:01, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Yes the Javascript Recent Changes/Watchlist is back on line as well (sigh of thanks) [can you get RWW?] Toast 01:06, 10 January 2009 (EST)
No RWW right now. Trent's moving it. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:08, 10 January 2009 (EST)
Aah! IC. Toast 01:10, 10 January 2009 (EST)


I there any reason to upload a picture of my local Woolworth store in it's present ("this store is now closed") state? They've gone bust over here you know. fröhlich "gay" and "happy" 00:39, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I dunno, can you think of one? Do we have a fun article on sheep? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:02, 13 January 2009 (EST)


Vould vou vike vou voin ve vabal? --"ConservapediaUndergroundInductorRusty-spotted catspeed! 11:12, 12 January 2009 (EST)

Debate:Science namespace[edit]

I have rolled back CUR mess on the debate page. If you still want to add your last two comments to the discussion you can move them to the saloon. - User 19:52, 13 January 2009 (EST)

Thanks for the heads up, that was thoughtful. I followed it over there, though. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:59, 13 January 2009 (EST)


He's moved the new section bit to Common.js & removed it from all our pages. Toast s.png (with butter!) talk to Toast 14:09, 15 January 2009 (EST)

(and there's no difference between Monobook & adfree now.) Toast s.png (with butter!) talk to Toast 14:11, 15 January 2009 (EST)

Desysoping request[edit]

Hey mate, can you promote me back up to editor? Totnesmartin 19:07, 15 January 2009 (EST)

You're serious about this leaving thing? Oh, well... Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:12, 15 January 2009 (EST)
It went ahead and did it, Totnes. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:12, 15 January 2009 (EST)
This site is shrinking rapidly! ħumanUser talk:Human 19:54, 15 January 2009 (EST)

Archive your goddamn talk page already![edit]

Just sayin'. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 19:12, 15 January 2009 (EST)

I have meant to for a while, then some troll or other edited it, and I forgot... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:55, 15 January 2009 (EST)