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I made something...[edit]

...but I am not a user. A 'shopped pic of Andy: — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Are those dildos? And why are you dropping this on me, again? Thanks for playing! ħumanUser talk:Human 02:22, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Something to laugh at[edit]

This stupidity. As Stephanie Miller said a few days ago, "The only people who want Sarah Palin to run for president are those who've been living under a rock for a decade and liberals." The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 06:29, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh fuck laughing for the seventh replay! We should transcribe this illiteracy to her article. And the stupidity. FUCK Thank you Goonz! ħumanUser talk:Human 06:44, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
I love it when SP has that has moments. Her voice slows down as she realises she has no idea what she's talking about, then speeds suddenly up as she takes a wild guess & runs with it. ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:27, 4 June 2011 (UTC)


(→History: and who cares? $30k worth of this silliness is worth $zero)

Sure - or, as I calculated on my blog, in material terms maybe a hundred bucks or so at most. But the real monetary value of their 'donation' is explicitly not the point. Like everything else Energetic Solutions does, it's all about smoke & mirrors. That generous $30k looks darn fine on press releases. Anaglyph (talk) 06:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it would, if it had any "real world" value. But thanks. A hundred bucks? Aren't they just blank credit cards? ħumanUser talk:Human 08:08, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Cutting them a modicum of slack. A few cents for the cards, a penny or two for the ink. The fact is that they offer a 'recycling program' for the cruddy things anyway so for all I know they're just using second-hand issue. In which case you're right - $zero. Point is that it's irrelevant - it's just the publicity they care about. It's all about the headline on their site.
Yes, I got that. We should mock them more for it. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm all for mocking. (talk) 08:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Hello 122.x.x.x, I don't think we've met. My name is 168.x.x.x or something like that. How are you today? ħumanUser talk:Human 08:31, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah yeah. Stupid auto log out crap...Anaglyph (talk) 08:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Can't you turn that off? Like check the "remember me" box"? Not that it matters. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I run an app that delegates all my secure passwords and remembers them in its smart but tiny brain. Thus, I remember ONE very tricky 16 digit password and it wrangles some hundreds of individual other ones. Super secure. Only problem is that it 'conveniently' ignores the 'remember this computer' checkbox in some kind of random way. Thus, I can be fine for a couple hours doing stuff and then 'pfft' I get logged out without knowing it. Annoying, but not as annoying as having to remember a dictionary's worth of baffling ascii strings.Anaglyph (talk) 08:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I came up with a great way of creating an uncrackable yet easy to remember password. Never used it, though. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


Once again you are using rollback to revert edits that are not clearly vandalism. And in addition to removing the parts that you believe are "bad writing", you're removing uncontroversial and useful additions such as wikilinks. Please be more careful. -- Nx / talk 12:50, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

OMG I am so sorry! Thanks for fixing the one of twenty awful edits I fixed that I did so badly. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:48, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Minnesota's very own, home-grown nuttery[edit]

If you think teabagger videos are funny and/or disturbing, you ain't seen nothing yet. Here's a sample of some extreme nuttery homegrown here in the state of Minnesota. Enjoy and/or throw up. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 07:19, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I WNAT MY BIRANS BAKC! ħumanUser talk:Human 07:54, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
More interestingly, though, was that the Repubs had him give a prayer at the legislature.... the day they voted on an anti-gay marriage amendment nonetheless.
When was that recorded? The lady seems unaware that Minnesota's own Supreme Court struck down Minnesota's sodomy law in 2001, so it is not even there in an unenforceable capacity. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 01:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)


Probably should let people reply to you before you archive, or at least give them a minute to read your posts.--User:Brxbrx/sig 05:09, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Shut up I archived your case as well you idiot and don't tell me what to do until you've been here a year or two. Also you are wrong, I didn't archive any threads with recent comments by me. So, hey guess what? Fuck off, troll. You really are useless, you know that? ħumanUser talk:Human 05:11, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I think Human was right to archive the two cases, which had come to their natural conclusions. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:13, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you LX, that's what I thought. I would never archive an active Coop complaint. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:14, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
??? chillax max. You archived Ace McWicked's case, even though you'd just commented there. I was momentarily frustrated because I was caught in an edit conflict responding to your comment. I could not care less if my cooping is present or not. Most of my wikidrama is garishly displayed all over the place. I really don't see how this particular comment managed to attract so much venom out of you.--User:Brxbrx/sig 05:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
You chill, idiot. I edited it yesterday, and there is a big long thread tailing out into nothing after that. Tell you what. You stop being a drama whore and shut the fuck up. Oh, answer to your last question, because you are an uninformed idiot who injects their ill-informed opinion into everything on recent changes. Take a step back, kid. You add very little of value here, I am sorry to say that so bluntly, but it's true. That stupid election page you put up? Where are the links to what mods are and can do and how many there will be, etc.? You are just a hyperactive drama whore. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:25, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
Stop sign.svg

This conversation is about to go badly downhill, inevitably ending in comparisons to Hitler, and hurt feelings all around.
Stop now. Step away from the keyboard.
Go pet a jerboa, or milk a goat.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
It started off that way. But thanks for the intervention. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
okay then... see this edit, made mere minutes before you archived the section. I was just saying that if you're going to comment, you should let it sit for a bit so people can reply or at least see it. Now: how am I the drama whore? Who erupted into a profanity filled rant over an innocuous comment?--User:Brxbrx/sig 05:32, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
OMIGOD IM SORRY. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:36, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I should note that I'm rather thick, and often unable to distinguish sarcasm from sincerity.--User:Brxbrx/sig 05:37, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I can't wait for Nx to show up. Ace of Spades 06:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm probably only pestering you, but I am still confused. Did you actually apologize for this unfortuante misunderstanding or am I still an uninformed stupid idiot troll kid (at least solely in the context of this discussion- our other grievances would remain up for review even if I were absolved here).--User:Brxbrx/sig 18:08, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Apologize? Don't be silly. He'll just ask his "butt-buddy" to hide the embarrassment -- Nx / talk 06:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I was hoping to avoid you coming by to spray more venom, predictable as you are in that regard lately. But you gotta be you. Nutty Rouxnever mind 12:06, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Spraying venom? Me? HAHAHAHAHA. -- Nx / talk 19:34, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
I was not trolling, NR. I rarely deliberately troll on this site. I was trying to figure out what's become of this particular conflict.--User:Brxbrx/sig 13:44, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

As promised[edit]

File:Aceshouse.jpg fuck off

Ace of Spades 04:34, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Pure class! Bet the Missus loves it too! ħumanUser talk:Human 05:05, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
She'll fucking love it. Ace of Spades 05:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Silly vandalism question[edit]

You said on another user's page "There's no need to block anything but true spambots,"... do you know anything about spam bots? (this is for a site unrelated to you guys). if we missed one, and found the spam a few days later, is it likely that particular bot with that particular name would ever log in again? as in, do the people who write this crap, reuse names? or do they just keep randomly generating them... just curious if you know. and if you don't, no biggie! thanks.--Sun mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 21:54, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I wish I could help there. I suspect that the writers will re-use names as long as they keep working, but more likely, they will keep using IP addresses as long as they aren't blocked. But really, I don't know. The user formerly known as user:Gooniepunk2010 seemed to have a pretty good handle on the process. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:09, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
There's no reason not to block a spambot account. But they'll come back with another username anyway, just make sure you have captchas, and if that's not helping, try a different captcha system. For example, RW and RWW used reCAPTCHA, but RWW was getting way more spam. Then I changed RWW's captcha to a math-based one, and now the spambots are gone. -- Nx / talk 08:27, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, what he said. Thanks, Nx. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:29, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Worn out[edit]

from cleaning up PC's illiterate droppings. will check back later to see the awesome edits to my watchlist pages the sane and intelligent among you made... ħumanUser talk:Human 08:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Human is trolling andremoving good stuff. Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Human is removing incredibly badly written material. I cut my teeth on the garbage that was your Magdalene laundry article, and you still write just as badly. And add things that are just as stupid. Sorry, but it's true. Your writing style is poor and your idea of good sources is worse. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Moderator nomination[edit]

Hey Human. I guess you probably know already, but you're one of the nominees at the RationalWiki:Moderator elections, & haven't yet commented on your nomination. I know you're not happy with how ill-defined the role is at present, but it looks like elections are going ahead anyway, with nominations ending at 2:43am UTC on June 21 for some reason. If you want to stand as a candidate, you should accept before then. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 15:01, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if I accepted in time. Though I doubt I stand an ice cube's chance in hell of being elected. Thanks for the heads-up though! ħumanUser talk:Human 07:58, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Since nobody has formally called an end to nominations or confirmed whether the election apparatus is ready to run, I can't see how your accepting now could be a problem. ЩєазєюіδWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:20, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Cool then. In a stupid sort of way, since the election for those who will enforce the rules has no rules. Excellent. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:52, 23 June 2011 (UTC)


You are far from impartial, other RationalWikians are noticing that you revert good edits that I make, see here. One thing a moderator needs is to be impartial and I hope RationalWikians will take that into account when they decide how to vote. Also please do not edit when you've been drinking. Proxima Centauri (talk) 07:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

One out of ten? Good luck. And I still disagree with that one. You are a poor writer, overall, and tend to dump your latest garbage you found here. Good luck. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:32, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, the command to not edit when I have been drinking is interesting. How about I order you to not edit without thinking? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:33, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
No comment on Proxima's edits specifically... but I think it is good form, when reverting another editor's edits, to give reasons for doing so (either in edit summary or better yet on talk page), rather than just reverting without comment. Yet you do not seem to be in the habit of giving reasons, rather just reverting and leaving others to guess what your reasons were (and, on those occasions you do give reasons, I've noticed they don't tend to be very informative either). (((Zack Martin))) 09:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, unless said editor has a history of endless illiterate, multiple edits to pages. Kissing the goat's ass gets old, ya know? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:41, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
I think you need your grammar nazis checked Human... a lot of it doesn't look like illiterate text to me. It's not "encyclopedic" style, but more like a pundit style, like you would see on The Daily Show, or The Colbert Report, but it's still grammatically well formulated. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 10:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Human's grammar nazing must be working then, a year ago it would not have been coherent. - π 10:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
The substance of your larger edits is usually OK, so there's no reason to throw everything out. But Human has a point in that you also frequently insert sentences that are grammatically incorrect, sound more like direct speech than written material or don't really make sense. I like your additions and sources as far as facts are concerned, but paying a bit more attention to style would be nice. Röstigraben (talk) 15:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Also please do not edit when you've been drinking. That's fucking ridiculous. Ace of Spades 21:00, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey, bro...[edit]

Geez, I'm about as popular as you are on this wiki. You been able to get into CP yet? nobsViva la Revolución! 01:43, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

How'd you manage that odious position? And, no, but thanks for asking - the message has changed, though, to "Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request." Is that place still active? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:45, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Lesbian image[edit]

Someone put it into Category:NSFW so it doesn't show up unless you explicitly enable nsfw images in your preferences. -- Nx / talk 06:36, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, ok, thanks! ħumanUser talk:Human 06:38, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Hmm, couldn't find such a checkbox, must look again. Did find "Gadgets for bureaucrats" of which we have none though. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:41, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Found it in the link you provided, nevermind. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:42, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

You have inspired me[edit]

You once told me that you visited the ocean "to feel small." After some contimplation, I realized that, after all these years, the reason that I have a love for outer space and astonomy is simple: because looking up through my telescope at the cosmos makes me feel small since the universe is massive and vast. All I have to say is: Thank you for the inspiration. YOu finally added some resolve to my hobby. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 07:40, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Awe gee shucks thanks. Feeling small and also being a tiny part of a huge thing. Glad my words resonated in some small way! ħumanUser talk:Human 04:10, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Nothing I like better than to lay on my back staring at the cosmos and feeling tiny...even better if you some lady polishing your knob at the same time. Word. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 04:17, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Goodpost.gif Perfection. I did once watch a meteor shower with a friend 200 miles away. We had to align our spines so we could yell "left!" "right!" coherently. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

First MC....[edit]

Then YOU! Followed by the world. Subjugate yourself to your new leaders. Quickly now. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 11:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Stop it. Please?[edit]

Seriously, Human. Calling people assholes and liars left and right doesn't do anyone much good at all. Cant't we all just get along? P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 04:15, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, when the person in question lies about me on his blog, I gotta say it. OK, you're right, calling Gerwyn an asshole is over the top. He's just a liar. Gerwyn has accused me of financial misfeasance in my role as a trustee with no evidence. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:18, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
You know what? his blog has a comments section. That would probably be a better place to address what he blogs about. P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 04:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I did. The man is attacking my and my friend's position as trustees by suggesting we are mishandling RW funds. That is not just business at his blog, it is a direct attack on me as an editor here. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:24, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
And calling him names is helping how, exactly? If you want to drag him before the Coop, it's there for that. If you want the mods to intervene, we're there for that. If you just want to throw mud back, how is that productive? P-FosterCan't we talk about this, baby?Moderator 04:26, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I yield to "asshole". "Liar" is not calling him a name. I should sue the fucker for defamation. Do you understand the nature of his accusations against Eira and I? Fuck the coop, fuck the mods, they can't and won't ever do anything. The man has slandered me and I won't stand for it. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:29, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
By the way "left and right" is rather spraying. "Here" and "here" would make more sense. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:30, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Both of you shut the fuck up. The concern here is MC being a douche for the last 3 years. Not Huw's problem with Psy nor P-Foster jumping on Huw. This extends beyond our own personal squabbles so, you know, get with the fucking program. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 04:31, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Personally, I like my vinegar and water cocktail. It has always made me feel fresher. I guess I couldn't even follow the thread at the mod squad due to all the top level headers. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Actually, what I did - just so we can clarify this for once and for all - is accuse and Eira of being unfit to serve as Trustees, due to your continued lack of judgement and an inability to act properly. I also mentioned that the Trustees are responsible for the finances of the wiki and should people with bad jusgement have that responsibility. Show me exactly where I accused you of "financial misfeasance". Show me. Quote me chapter and verse. Go on. --PsyGremlinPrata! 11:46, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
You dumb fuck, you just did. I'd sue you but you are out of my jurisdiction. Seriously. ħumanUser talk:Human 11:48, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
No I didn't. I've questioned your judgement as a Trustee. Where have I accused you of diddling the finances? Come on, I'm waiting. Where have I accused you of financial mismanagement? I haven't and you know it. Your rage in an impotent rage, because you're still mad that I called you out on your bullshit. Admit it. There are no accusations of financial mismanagement against you. Are there? Where have I accused you of financial mismanagement? Of diddling funds? I've said you're not fit to have the Trustees' responsibility dealing with funds and other impirtant matters. There's a difference - get over your rage and admit you were wrong. --PsyGremlinSprich! 11:58, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Do you publsih accounts so you can prove everything is OK? If there are published accounts please tell us where we can access the information? Proxima Centauri (talk) 12:02, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Proxima please do not get involved in this there is enough fights going on at the moment. Nobody has accused anyone of taking money and the pseudoaccounts are on the wiki. - π Moderator 12:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
I await your reply. And apology. --PsyGremlinZungumza! 12:23, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
And I await yours. Let calmer minds intervene here. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:45, 11 July 2011 (UTC)


BTW, I call the last four years worth it now that the NJ Star Ledger has basically just followed our Andrew Schlafly page as a model and source for their article. Thanks for the support back when we created it in keeping it sourced and snark-free - that's a real vindication. DogP (talk) 23:29, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I dunno if I deserve any thanks for that, but maybe, who knows, back in the day, I might have fought the valiant fight to get things right? Nice to see you around again. Thanks, though! ħumanUser talk:Human 08:37, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Susan's room[edit]

Really Watching.gif

Mourn gently and celebrate loudly the life of our dear friend, SusanG, a/k/a Toast.

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ニャン ニャン ニャン Susan ニャン ニャン! --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 05:34, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Now that is a party favor! ħumanUser talk:Human 05:55, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Susan is greatly missed. But she's in the arms of Jesus now. Amen.--ADtalkModerator 07:09, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Lol! You know how hard she would kick you for that, when you get there too? ħumanUser talk:Human 07:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I first met Susan when she joined RW as a male, being justifiably paranoid about how women are treated in this boy's club we call the internet. After a week or two, she realized we were "not as bad as" and rejoined as her ladylike self. At the time, she and her girlfriend were flooded out of their home, and she mostly edited using a PDA. Using that clumsy device she wrote all our "help" files, and I proofread/copyedited her work for the big screen. There was a slight/extreme overuse of mentions of her favorite cheese, Stilton, but we all let that pass. As time went by, and she and hers slowly got their life back into order, and we gradually found out that she was struggling with cancer. She edited from the hospital. They thought she was in remission. They were wrong, I guess, or maybe she was just bluffing us a bit. We lost her earlier this year. She is the first person I would think of as a "peer" I have lost in this way - in this year of death which I will not elaborate on now. I don't think I am going to like getting older. My parents are still alive. If losing Susan makes me cry so much, over one song she made a Dyslexicon meme of (Ah "Vienna"), what will it be like to lose my parents? What will it be like when I have to get used to burying friends? ħumanUser talk:Human 08:10, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

She would kick my ass around the block for such maudlin thoughts. Damn I miss her. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:11, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
Well said, Human. steriletalk
Susan made me a sysop because I'd been here a month & hadn't broken anything. At that time (mid-2008) she was definitely one of the big personalities on the wiki, alongside Human, RA, Chaos & a few others. Then there were several LANCB incidents & some fairly transparent sockpuppetry, before Toast arrived. I don't know much of the details about her illness, as I think she didn't often like to talk about it on-wiki & I never had any off-line contact with her. Anyway, she was a big influence on the site & will definitely be missed. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 19:14, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I added a picture (Shrubbery) to the above gallery, one that she may have created. She even thanked me for using it on my user page. I miss having her around, for sure. Aboriginal Noise Theist, barely hanging by a nail 02:08, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I left Susan a toast of sorts on her Toast talk page. I'm gonna miss the girl. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 07:26, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
I should point out that the title of this section looks a bit, well, wrong. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 08:07, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Did that help? You had to point that out, didn't you? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:50, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

They're murdering me[edit]

Human, you need to know this. They are preventing me from editing ANYWHERE, even to defend myself in the Coop. You need to act now. I'm scared of what they might do. I am MarcusCicero and the craven fools are finally coming to kill me. (talk) 16:05, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

What am I expected to do? Have you contacted the people that got elected to that thing a while back, what was it called? The New Order? Love and Rockets? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Also, I suggest you add (more than) a subtle hint of Wilde to your Joyce-tinted Swiftian drollery. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Howdy stranger[edit]

New logo large.png Welcome to RationalWiki, Human!

Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards!

Tell us how you found RationalWiki here!

If you are interested in contributing:

The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 08:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Can this be my sanctuary? Yes.[edit]

Thanks Human, you are as ever, a good and loyal man. There are few men with as generous a spirit as you, with such bravery of character. I do not intend to allow the bastards to murder me, not while blood still flows in my veins! One by one I shall have my revenge. The Cruel one will come first, he who calls himself Foster. Then comes the Sophist, the most dangerous and fanatic of them all (AD) Then comes the idiot, the racist from South Africa, the one who hates blacks but ironically has a black heart...

Also, I amn't afforded even a trial to defend myself. Even Stalin allowed his accused a trial. And lets have no doubt - the present madness IS a show trial. I'm never going away, I'm going to haunt this fucking place until I die. That will be my revenge. I am bitter and angry and vengeful. (talk) 10:03, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Well, you can always hang here, obviously. But if you continually piss off the fascists and control freaks, it's gonna be an uphill climb. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


Is still used for legit purposes. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 04:37, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Consensus is to delete. Human's solution was elegant since it's been used a fair amount and was mentioned by several editors on the talkpage. Have a look at the talkpage. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 04:50, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
actually consensus is not to delete. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 04:55, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
That's not what I'm seeing right here. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 05:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
You are right, I was reading it wrong sorry. But anyways, it all kinda stalled. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 05:12, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
(EC) Actually, the talkpage is inconclusive. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 05:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing. I see the votes in favor of deletion and the loose consensus from discussion in favor of deletion or blanking. Blanking is more elegant solution. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 05:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
I was just taking out the trash in the neatest way I could see. That template pair is mostly used to silence people. Not exactly the RW way to live, is it? ħumanUser talk:Human 05:16, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. I, personally, think we should turn the templates into a smiley of some kind. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 05:19, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Might be handy as a "mod only" tool as it is our position to "put the fires out" as it were. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 05:20, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
So... was I right or wrong? If you guys are telling me I'm reading the talk page differently than you I'll come back sober instead of blanking the template and hoping the kiddies don't edit war me. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 05:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

You grumpy old fuck[edit]

"lame ass authoritarianism"? You grumpy old fuck, go start Humanwiki with your lame ass geocities-esque site design. Jesus you can be a pain. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 09:27, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Lol, you quoted Wired magazine! The tits issue, as I like to fondly call it. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:21, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
I have a seriously vintage piece of stereo kit. An old Technics amp and a couple of AWA speakers not to disimilar to these babies. The amp still rocks but I need new speakers but want to keep the casing. Perhaps we should talk. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 07:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps we should... you'd be like my 12th antipodean customer. I am big in the antipodes. First step, I think is to get me accurate dimensions of all holes - front and back. Pictures with rulers work well. Feel free to discuss via Now I am back to watching Scarface. Even though I know how it ends. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:12, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
You're a twat Ace, honestly. Psygremlin is basically me, except he is friends with PFoster et all and plays his role with much more conviction than I ever could. He is a nasty piece of work and its the people like me and Human are showing him for what he is. Cop on and smell the flowers. (talk) 20:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)


can you do mahogany or cherry veneers? Occasionaluse (talk) 20:37, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

I can do anything. Real wood veneer speakers can be pricey, of course. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:29, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

As per the community consensus.....[edit]

You are violating it. Dither about it all you like, the fact still remains. So, you know, fucking quit it. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 09:28, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Human can do what he likes. The community decision was retarded and motivated by retarded interests. Human is a free person and entitled to do what he likes with his own userspace. If you weren't such a boring fascist cunt you would see that. (talk) 11:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
How so, Ace? I let some amusing BoN stake out a space here. As far as I know, the low IQ reactionaries are going to now block MC for a couple of years so they don't have to face his amusing rants. Ace, let's get serious. Remember your introduction to this community - the hilarious HSTesque rants? Would never fly anywhere else. Your endless frotting and love affair with Nutty? Come on and get over yourself. You are just as much a beneficiary of my and others libertarian/anarchic vision of this site (which used to be held by many others) as the BoN who is using my talk page subpage as a temporary gaff. The people who want to silence others on this site are just dumb fucking cunts and have no idea of this site's history. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:56, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I was not here at the dawn of time, but I have been here a while; and if you look back into site history, you will also happen upon TK, who like MarcusCicero (but unlike Ace) sought to sunder the community through trolling and other tactics. Back then, however, the mob was small enough and the Cabal's camaraderie was strong enough that things could not get so far out of hand. The debate over the Community Standards in my early months, the one that cost us AKjeldsen, was contentious, but peanuts compared to what we have done in recent months. Trolling is what is always has been, but the community has changed since the old days and trolls are now capable of much greater damage. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:38, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Human, your disregard of this community and its decision is almost as bad as your hypocrisy. Your "libertarian/anarchic vision of this site" disappears when you are on the receiving end of criticism and insults. -- Nx / talk 07:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
Human sober up, go into rehab or something. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 07:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
I ain't going to get draw into "What Ace did/does" because fact is, community made it's decision. It didn't make a decision regarding me, it made a decision regarding MC. Which you are violating. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 07:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

I mean this truly, Human[edit]

I think you may have over-reached yourself here. Trying to defend me perhaps isn't the wisest course, not when Foster has dispatched his creatures to deal with you as he sees fit. No, probably better to abandon me, and I'd understand if you did so. I'm feeling really down at the moment, I remember what this site used to be like, unfortunately some people are determined to make it rule defined and boring. (talk) 11:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Whoever you are, why would I abandon my principles just because some people have contrary, small-minded, authoritarian, stifling, censoring views? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
contrary, small-minded, authoritarian, stifling, censoring views? Then fuck off maybe? If you can't handle disagreement and if you can't respect that the tide turned out of your favour why not get it over with or fucking deal with it? Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 08:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

AD deleted this from my talk page without permission. Bad judgement and intrusion unwelcome:

<Deleted pursuant to community vote on this specific matter. Sorry about that if you didn't see it.--ADtalkModerator 09:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)>

Please do not delete edits to my talk page again. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:31, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Fuck you. Fuck all of you censors.

<Deleted pursuant to community vote on this specific matter.--ADtalkModerator 08:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)>

AD, you have now proven yourself to be a true asshat. Please STOP DELETING COMMENTS FROM MY TALK PAGE. Let Pibot take care of it in due time. Wait, AD, you are a frickin mod??? Are you abusing the free speech zone that is an RW user talk page as a mod, or just as an idiot? And you interfere in an editor's talk page despite their clearly stated desire not to have contents deleted? Really? Geez, kids, how hard is it for you just to leave people alone? What fucking rule am I breaking by leaving a comment by an IP on my talk page, despite all the censors' efforts?

Jebus on an easter stick, what has this place turned into? I don't even have the patience to check RC or my watchlist to see what's going on when this is the orange box "welcome" I get for popping back in for a minute or two. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:13, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

What fucking rule am I breaking by leaving a comment by an IP on my talk page, despite all the censors' efforts? The rule that talk pages are community property. -- Nx / talk 08:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
There was a vote about this. The community voted not to allow anyone to decide arbitrarily against the community decision to block and revert a specific troll site-wide. I'm sorry that you disagree.
It's not a question of it being "hard," it's just a question of not permitting you to unilaterally over-rule a vote.--ADtalkModerator 08:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
You ever thought there might be a reason he's doing it? -- (talk) 08:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
I imagine he thinks that RW comprises a certain set of anarchic morals, all about defying authority and unbridled speech. And that's a totally valid view that he had free rein to try to convince people of, during the week-long votes on this matter. But a vote having been taken, he's not free to just ignore the result because he didn't like it, like a petulant child.--ADtalkModerator 09:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I wonder what the trollfeeders would have done when Heart of Gold was around. Sigh. steriletalk 14:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I just want Bohdan back. Blue (is useful) 22:04, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Or this guy. B♭maj7 Doin' it to you in your ear hole. 22:05, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
So now "community property" means people can delete comments on my talk page against my will? That is so fucked up it's not even funny. Seriously? Is this the New Order? That's insane. The community is now "protecting" me from things they find offensive that do not bother me? ħumanUser talk:Human 05:03, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
We're not protecting you, we're protecting the community. -- Nx / talk 05:16, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
What we are doing is enforcing a block. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Good on you Human, keep fighting the good fight. (((Zack Martin))) 05:26, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Blocked at Conservapedia[edit]

You've been blocked at Conservapedia by Karajou because the annoymous proxy server you were using was used by someone else to vandalize, and Karajou thought you were responsible. As a general rule of thumb, we don't allow the use of annoymous proxy servers at Conservapedia, so there's nothing I can do really to defend you on this one.
I personally distrust Rat-Wikians in general, but I was actually hoping you'd changed your ways. It's sad to see you throw away a second chance just because you're too coward to reveal your IP address. DMorris2 (talk) 18:29, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I believe that Human was using a proxy because he was 403'd from even seeing the site. If I'm right, who's the coward now? B♭maj7 Define "talk." Define "page." 18:30, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
B flat is correct. RobS unblocked my user name, but Andrew never responded to my email request to unblock my IP from even being able to load CP. Fuck Karajou, he's just an asshole and we all know it, and fuck Andrew, he's incompetent. I appreciate that you tried, RobS. If Karajerk had a fucking brain cell to spare he'd have looked at the edits I made via tor. Seriously, he's only blocking me because he is an asshole who doesn't care about quality on CP, but only about his destructive powers. By the way, every edit I made via tor took 12 tries, since he had blocked most of the IPs back in 2008. Thanks for the update, DM. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:06, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


Human, I have posted something User talk:Human/The Sanctuary Of MarcusCicero, He who refuses to bend the knee to tyrants, he who refuses to obey the whims of megalomaniacs. I know it may be beyond your power to protect these few words, this castle of reason, but hold you must. Stand firm, and allow the onrush of tyrants and henchmen to break upon your shield of liberty. Do this for a time, and the bards will sing your name for an eternity. Thank you, noble brother. (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

You are hereby granted a safe haven in my user talk space. If you post inflammatory - ie, sexist, racist, or homophobic content - I will not defend you. But otherwise you are welcome to use my talk space to post your defences and other commentary. Anyone who deletes your comments to my user talk space, for the time being, will be blocked for 48 hours. And can you use shorter titles before you remind me of Kendoll? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:32, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
And I'm going to undo your abusive blocks of people who have been acting in accordance with the community's decision and if you continue I'm going to bring you to the coop for abusing your blocking powers.
You can have your little troll playground, but it's now hidden from recent changes so MC can leave the rest of the wiki alone. -- Nx / talk 05:46, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Good idea. No, this isn't sarcasm. --ʤɱ federalist 15:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
You using your server access for something like this is and outrageous. You're developing a pattern of enforcing your will like this and it's got to stop. Please undo it now. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 14:47, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Nx really is the Ken to our CP. His endless free time and unwavering mania usefulness trumps the problems he causes. Occasionaluse (talk) 14:50, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Talk about abuse of powers, Nx? How about abusing server access for the fourteenth time? What abusive block? You mean the one where I blocked someone who deleted a comment on my talk page? ħumanUser talk:Human 11:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
There's something very odd about you Human. And learn what "abuse" means before throwing it around. RatMaster háblame 09:09, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
WHo the fuck are you? ħumanUser talk:Human 11:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I like you Human but, you know, you are being a prick. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 09:23, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I like you too Ace. I also like MC, and I dislike the fascists on this site who want to silence him. Whoever 86... is. ħumanUser talk:Human 11:41, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
Yeah but there was this community vote and MC lost yet for some reason you think that doesn't count and continue to do what Human wants and call everyone fascists because they don't agree with you. You remind me of my two year old niece. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 12:33, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
I have decided to use the word "structuralists" as a more neutral tag for those who crave structure and rules, and stand in opposition to those of us who have been labeled "libertarians". I didn't let MarcusCicero violate the ban (which I find to be very much out of sync with the RW ethos, but whatever). Someone asked for a sanctuary and I granted it on strict terms. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:22, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Structuralism has more associations with dismantling structure. "Legalism" is the word you are looking for, I think. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 01:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
You granted sanctuary? Sorry to be rude, Human, but who the fuck do you think you are? Some sort of independent country, able to do whatever he pleases within the wiki on a whim with no regard to the community's decisions or the moderators judgments or the wiki's rules? You are as subject to the rules and decrees of the community as anyone else, and it's high time you started to act like it instead of pissing around and ignoring any rules you don't like just because you think you have some sort of status that makes you immune to criticism or repercussions? For chrissakes, Human, get a grip. --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 01:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, to an IP editor. Get a grip yourself. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:02, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Human, I'm not sure whether you're trolling or just incredibly deluded, bu it's obvious to literally everyone else on the wiki that that's MarcusCicero. --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 02:17, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Prove it. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:10, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Oh, so you are trolling. Thanks for removing whatever sliver of doubt I had that you still had the best interests of the community at heart. --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 04:15, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
You fail to provide even a sliver of proof other than the title of a Leonard Cohen song. Try again. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:46, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Can you suggest any test within our power to perform that would produce one result if the BoN is MarcusCicero, and a different result if the BoN is not MarcusCicero? Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:51, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Someone asked for a sanctuary and I granted it on strict terms. Yeah despite it being against the communities decision. Douche. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 02:35, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Such language unbecoming of a grey blob! ħumanUser talk:Human 04:08, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Whatever dude, for someone who talks about the community and RW with such reverence you certainly don't mind insisting on getting your own way, no matter what, when people disagree with you. Aceof SpadesSilverbrain.png 04:23, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
How about you give this a go. When someone disagrees with you... talk about something else. The weather perhaps. Its not a good idea to FORCE them to think like you, which is effectively what you are demanding of Human. This website was a great place once, where open-ness was cherished, now all of you cunts want everyone to think and act the same. Utterly pathetic and depressing. (talk) 11:11, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Military options are being explored[edit]

< Comment removed per community vote to ban MarcusCicero IPs as well as community vote to disallow ban "sanctuaries". Blue (pester) 23:52, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

I sadly have no sword but my rapier wit to offer you my friend, and my wit has been discredited as "only Human thinks it's funny" on this website. I will, however, attend council meetings in case there are any useful observations I can offer the warriors for the cause of the Good, the Honest, and the Rational. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:20, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
Blue, please stay off my talk page, thank you. ħumanUser talk:Human 10:50, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
I repeat, Blue, stop DELETING COMMENTS FROM MY TALK PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gawd, you people are assholes. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


Just letting you know that you've been nominated for moderator. Go here to accept or decline. Cheers. Blue (pester) 03:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Now please STOP deleting comments from my talk page. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:23, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Ace for God[edit]

Ace for mod 800x1366.png

ħumanUser talk:Human 03:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Your new GOD has arrived

Aceace 04:00, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Hows this then..[edit]

<deleted obvious attempt to circumvent community decision to disallow troll sanctuaries -- Nx / talk 06:57, 8 September 2011 (UTC) > Aceace 04:42, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

This is good work, Ace. We should ask Huw to host the ___ Tullius ___ fan fiction club right here. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 04:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
excellent. I figured i would cut and paste the original convo onto my own personal page, if this got silly enough. The level of "control freak" around here is getting silly.--Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 04:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I don't give fuck about MC. I am just having fun. Which is what RW is all about. Aceace 04:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
In part, sure. It's not ALL about having fun... but then again, since I've been back, it just seems to be about drama and control freaks. w hich i suppose is also fun.Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 04:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
by teh way, "you know who" has spies? when did voldemort come to Rational wiki?Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 04:50, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Maybe if Human's favored "Wild West" proposal goes through for the talk-page policy, some of us can have a good old-fashioned edit war over one of MarcusCicero's edits. Edit wars are getting mighty rare around here these days. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Spies? Will they steal technology or incite a revolt? (Reference too nerdy?) Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
(If it is then I'm too nerdy). Always incite a revolt. If your research mix is right then any stolen tech is of only marginal value. LowKey (talk) 06:48, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I get that some people disagree with the community vote. But it was a full vote, and it reached a decision. Now this juvenile stuff... I mean, what's the endgame here? MC posts something, it's reverted. Human reposts it under his own sig, it's reverted as an obvious stunt. Now you repost it somewhat altered. It's obviously the same message, so you're obviously saying, "Fuck you guys, I don't care what everyone votes." And if we leave it be, then just as obviously it means that community votes don't really matter very much. I guess I could delete it, but the next version would just be a slightly more altered version, and it's hard to see where the line would be.
So... I mean, what do you want? Do you just think that community votes shouldn't matter? I'm honestly puzzled at where you're going with this, and at a loss with how to deal with it.--ADtalkModerator 04:51, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Good post! Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:52, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Part of the reason, AD, that I got tired of the mod business was because people like Human and Maratrean only went with a community decision when it suited. I agree with you on this matter but it isn't working - so instead of working myself into a lather...I am just going to be Ace. Aceace 04:54, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I have a problem with the mods in general, cause everyone has such a different view of what they should be doing, what rules should and should not be, and what it even means to have a "community vote". granted, you did it, it's done - but for heaven's sake it is so out of control it is only going to breed more insubordnation, cause we aren't here to follow mods like they are gods. and AD, that is what some of you have been doing - even if you don't see it that way yourself.Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 04:56, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
And that's fine and lovable. I just wish you could find ways to do it that didn't revolve around hilarious it is to cause drama. The group of users who deliberately cause it out of some sort of childish anarchism then leads to the other group that just complains about how everything is about drama now. But there's not really much fucking choice, is there? If you're going to keep causing drama like this and keep deliberately pissing around like a lunatic child who just discovered his dangly bits, then either the people who are bored with it either have to intervene or just throw up our hands and admit that votes don't matter and we can just be Encyclopedia Dramatica. But no, we have to be the fucking bad guys and fodder for the Fun Nannies to cluck over how obsessed we are with the rules and with where people are talking. Awesome.--ADtalkModerator 05:01, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The reality is, you don't have to do anything. nothing posted by human, stupid or not, rules or not, is harming anything. There is a point where you have to look at the bigger picture. what are the rules for, and what does enforcing them accomplish. If you can show me that enforcing rules actually makes anything better, i'll support you 100%. but all I see are Mods who don't know if they should act, mod who (like me if you all were stupid enough to elect me) won't act, and mods who over act. why? cause no one knows or has any idea what the actual goals are with all these regulations. I'm sorry you think it's whining, but it's more about saying that there is something seriously wrong with what's going on. Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 05:07, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
(EC) Well, the goal of the vote was to stop Human from retaining MC's edits on his page as a sanctuary, as far as I can see. You don't think it's harming anyone. That's fine... I don't think MC's words have some magical totemic power to murder children in their cribs, either. But when everyone takes a vote to stop Human from retaining MC's edits to his page, and Human proceeds to retain MC's edits to his page, then that's kind a of a problem. It'd actually the very problem we were trying to avoid, these nattering drama-fits.
I know nothing is going to really hang on this. If Human gets to just ignore a vote, it won't be the end of the world. And we do let things slide all the time (all the time). But when it's so blatant and pissy, like smashing an ice cream cone into the carpet because SUSIE GOT CHOCOLATE AND THAT'S MY FAVORITE, then it's just a big "fuck you" to everyone who voted. As in: Fuck you guys. What are you going to do, come and police my talk page like a school proctor? You'd just look fucking ridiculous. And eventually you'll throw up your hands and give up, because if I can just keep doing it you'll start looking authoritarian and like a bully. So fuck the vote, I'm going to do what I want.
I don't know. Obviously I've already said here I'm not going to keep deleting it if it keeps going this way. I guess I'm throwing up my hands and giving up on this one. Just me being the bad guy again, thinking that when everyone agrees on something, it actually should matter.--ADtalkModerator 05:24, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
sighs... i don't think you are "being the bad guy", i just thing that the "picking carefully the battles you chose to fight" is something this wiki would be wise to remember. The people here are always going to be cats - you can try to herd them, join them, or just pet them. likely, a bit of each at any given time.Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 05:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
Well, of course I'm the bad guy. I'm the asshole who has to come in here and say, "Hey you kids, get off the grass!" I don't want to start the AD Pity Party (yes I am) - it's a stupid fucking rule, because all rules and votes about talk page nonsense are stupid. But this whole goddamn conversation is me picking my battle. I didn't revert Ace or ban Human. I'm not calling anyone the vitriolic names that are on the tip of my tongue. I'm trying to explain my point of view, the merit of my position, and why I think this whole nonsense here was wrong. And I'm trying to explain to you that I am fully aware of just how fucking ridiculous it is, but that I engage it anyway because there doesn't seem to be any alternative. If I ignore edit wars, then there's not much point to being in a position that's intended to cut them short. If that means I appear like a self-indulgent rulesmonger intent on sucking all the fun out of the place, that's fine. I don't like Encyclopedia Dramatica.--ADtalkModerator 05:39, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
I let the pinkos do the obsessing over power, control, etc. My fascination in this case is with how ambiguous words can become under pressure. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 05:10, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
The power of the written language, or lack there of. People in situations that are annoy, tend to be a bit "more" of everything as well. I push harder, you might be more sarcastic, someone else might have less patience, etc. it's a nasty game to play. people around here (me included) do it so very well.Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 05:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

pissing around like a lunatic child who just discovered his dangly bits BAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Aceace 05:03, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

The irony, of course, is that this is an entirely inappropriate conversation for Human's talk page. You guys ain't talking to Human, are you? steriletalk 11:12, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious[edit]

How are you going to remove me from this website permanently? Are you going to 403 block me? -- Nx / talk 09:41, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

hey hubert![edit]

I am told your rarely here anymore. You remember me right? We're still bffs? Its me (talk) 00:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

What's shaking, Humanoid? ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:07, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Fuck you, Fag Nuts[edit]

Aceace 11:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Ace. It's an incredible piece of music - I own about nine versions of it - even managed to see it performed live once. Pure rock and roll. Take care, buddy. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You are back![edit]

Th hug.gif I have missed you

The n00bs they are everywhere o_0 - π Moderator 01:56, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

And they are multiplying and getting more obnoxious. Aceace 02:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
They would say we should vote on that. Or not. Check the roolz.steriletalk 02:09, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Or that I am a hypocrite because it is me getting more obnoxious and that I should go back to ED...or something. Aceace 02:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Wait... didn't some of them come from ED when it closed down? - π Moderator 03:17, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, but apparently I belong there instead of them. Or something. Aceace 03:30, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Pi, Sterile, Ace: you're anachronisms. This isn't your circlejerk anymore. If all you want to do is troll and flame other users instead of contribute to my massage article, ED is a better place for you. Etc. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 03:38, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
That sounds very EDucational! Nutty, got the mail, you are the best! ħumanUser talk:Human 03:59, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I know. Hey send it back when you're done or I can get it when we're in Buffalo. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 13:40, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
The noobs are like a garden we must tend so they can help grow the site. It's a dance as old as time: noob becomes regular, regular becomes old guard. It's not as bad as they make it seem - only a couple have deviated from the progression. Blue (pester) 04:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
It has become a bit like Endless September around here with the weeds popping up faster than we can prune them. - π Moderator 04:06, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Or maybe we're just terrible gardeners. Blue (pester) 04:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I hate gardening. Aceace 04:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Just pave the whole thing and maybe get one of those chiminea so you can sit outside during winter. - π Moderator 04:21, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
We could always just ban all of them and replace them with parodists so we could be just like CP! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:28, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm already a parodist, and so are my thirty-two sysop socks. Shh. Blue (pester) 04:39, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
Of course, I'm one of them! ... er, you heard nothing! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Consider this.[edit]

You might think it's censorship, but the link above this post goes to a website where someone is saying pretty horrible things about real people in this community, things that border on threatening. Please think about removing it. P-Foster 05:40, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Remind me again why Human is a Trustee? It seems he cares more for the rantings of a mentally ill troll than the well-being of the site he's supposed to represent. PsyGremlinParlez! 08:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Coop again[edit]

Play with MC, or be a Trustee. Your call. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 13:44, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Fuck off, loser. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:25, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
Since when did you make up the rules? PS, note that I have not been personally informed of your whiny bitchiness and where to to reply to to it. Now eat shit and die, before I sue you, loser. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:28, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
note that I have not been personally informed of your whiny bitchiness and where to to reply to to it What do you think this thread is about, you moron? -- Nx / talk 07:31, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I guess he's been on the piss again and can't read too well. --PsyGremlinHable! 09:40, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Excellent choice, Human.[edit]

Throwing your lot in with this crowd. Well done, old friend. Well done. B♭maj7 (talk) Anachronistically anachronistic 23:53, 20 November 2011 (UTC)


Do not post personal information that was not volunteered on RW; Furthermore, it is petty and childish to reveal someone's real name to attack them. -- Nx / talk 08:02, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

See also Template talk:Pundits and Thread:User talk:Armondikov/Real name. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 08:08, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
He doesn't seem to care, so what's your problem? "Warning"? Seriously? ħumanUser talk:Human 06:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
That he doesn't care doesn't change that fact that you broke the rules and that you're a dick. -- Nx / talk 12:53, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
"Warning! Don't do it again, citizen."
AceAce For Mod! 06:58, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
"Please don't" would've worked better, but Nx fancies himself The Enforcer, so polite reminders don't cut it for him. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 07:22, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Please don't, Please, Please don't, Please don't. -- Nx / talk 12:59, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
Authoritarian loser, just happens to have four examples saved of not being an asshole. I have 60,000. Fuck off and leave me alone, troll. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:35, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


I gave no one permission to delete comments from my talk page - hiding them from me? I am a big boy, if they offend me I can archive them. If they offend you, you can go fuck yourself. This is a free speech zone. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I recall that some BON was revealing personal info recently, it could have been deleted for that reason. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:14, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Email function is enabled. Deletion of talk page posts by others is not. I am a public figure, nothing to hide. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
It was private information about someone else, you idiot. -- Nx / talk 05:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Shut the fuck up Nx. You are still here being an asshole? Damn. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:18, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
You don't have to give me permission to delete private information from your talk page. -- Nx / talk 05:22, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
And you don't have to be a complete asshole when explaining it. You are the biggest loser I have ever seen on this site. And yes i do. Fuck off. Go to hell. Eat shit and die. You are the worst thing that ever happened to this site. Fucking moron. Now GET OFF MY TALK PAGE AND NEVER COME BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ħumanUser talk:Human 05:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
Irony meter = broken. You set the tone of this conversation, moron, why are you complaining? -- Nx / talk 05:33, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, some people need to learn how to communicate information. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:25, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I agree, Nx is a fucking asshat. Aceace 04:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Interesting site (sticky)[edit]

A new wiki that discusses the internal politics of RW.

ħumanUser talk:Human 04:07, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Not a very interesting site. It's just one guy's ramblings about who he currently thinks is a fascist etc. Admittedly RWW isn't as critical as it should be, but this isn't a good alternative. WëäŝëïöïďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 15:38, 19 November 2011 (UTC)


Huw, I just emailed you regarding official board business relating to the upcoming election. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 21:45, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, yes, got it. 'Tis ironic to alert me here, but certainly appropriate! ħumanUser talk:Human 23:24, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Such a nice person you are[edit]

[1] You add so much to the site with your constant personal attacks, I'm so glad you came back. -- Nx / talk 05:09, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

This was a particularly vile comment. You are in no position to criticise with your dredging up of deceased (and extremely well respected) member in order to attack another user. Revolting. AceAce For Mod! 05:18, 18 December 2011 (UTC) ħumanUser talk:Human 07:17, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

If you oversight some shit on my page at least please leave me a note and send me an email[edit]

This shit is getting old, children. ħumanUser talk:Human 07:03, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

On RW, we fuck a person in the ass and don't even have the goddamn common courtesy to give 'em a reach-around. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 07:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
The edit that was oversighted on your talk page was posted to a dozen more talk pages. It wasn't a message directed to you. If you click the suppression log link in the message that says "Details can be found in the suppression log." when you try to view the diff, you'll see that it says inappropriate personal information as the reason for deletion. There's your note. -- Nx / talk 07:49, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Human is an obstructionist in the classic sense: as punishment for disagreeing with him, he demands you fill out your forms in triplicate and submit it within 24 hours. He requires a majority vote that meets the arbitrary quorum he's set if we so much as wipe ourselves without asking him first. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 07:52, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh noez. And what happens if I don't? -- Nx / talk 07:58, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
(EC)Hey Human, the message oversighted from your talk page contained primarily (1) the (alleged) real name of the cheerleader troll, and her (alleged) hometown (2) the cell phone number of a very prominent member of the RW community (the later is already on Google, but who knows if it is real or not). There were a few other bits, but that was I think the two main bits of personal info (also some other female name, which I can't remember, but which is allegedly underage); and a few defamatory accusations. (((Zack Martin))) 08:00, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Oh and BTW, the message was allegedly from Mr. Cicero, but who can tell if it was actually him, or rather some impostor. (((Zack Martin))) 08:04, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

I have to agree with everyone else here, Human. The most important part was that they were releasing Trent's alleged cellphone number (I was, in fact, the one who began rev. deleting that incident), so this is a circumstance where I think the suspicion that usually follows rev. delete incidents is unwarranted. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 10:39, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Um, you do realise it's available via Google? (Conservaleaks courtesy of Karajou). Another example of why Conservaleaks is really really bad. And oversighting that is pretty pointless, if he's concerned he should get a new phone number. (The cheerleader troll's alleged real name is a bit different, since that name is not as much public knowledge as Trent's phone details are.) (((Zack Martin))) 10:47, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Regardless, it was a leak of private information. And, no, I don't care if Trent's cell # publicly available on google. Unless Trent himself posts that sort of information on RationalWiki, I consider it as priave and personal as my own cellphone number. Otherwise, it's just creepy stalking. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 10:50, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
You do realise that anyone who doesn't know, and wants to know, should be able to work it out just by reading this page? (((Zack Martin))) 10:55, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Good for them. But, that still doesn't change the fact that RationalWiki shouldn't allow personal information about people to be posted here without their permission. If some lifeless moron wants to stalk Trent, let them waste their own damn time. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 10:58, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Trent's phone number is public, it was used in the domain name registration. Still, I consider it private information, at least in the context of the comments that were oversighted. -- Nx / talk 11:13, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Once again, unless that sort of "public information" is posted here by the person whose phone number it is, it should be considered private. If you google some other people on this Wiki, you can find their phone numbers, adresses, etc. But, still, even though it's public information, we as a site shouldn't be party yo posting it against the persons' consent. It's unethical and wrong at best and could send us down a legal slippry slope at worst. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 11:18, 25 December 2011 (UTC)
My opinion on this matter is that Nx is a complete fuckwit who is worthy of little to no respect whatsoever. AceAce For Mod! 23:02, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Sweetheart, when you have a second...[edit]

...could you be a dear and get rid of material comparing me to a fucking sex criminal on that other wiki at which you are an admin?

Thanks, love.

Hugs and kisses,


P-Foster 02:48, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

What other website do you refer to? Conservapedia? ħumanUser talk:Human 02:52, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello Mr. Powell[edit]

Fuck you, you miserable piece of horse's ass! - Cicerone è il re!


...Swollen and obscene,
...Steamy Machine.
Please accept. AceVote Ace for Mod! 22:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Goodpost.gif The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 00:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Ace :) ħumanUser talk:Human 03:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Seeing you around again would please my heart. Lets retake this place, old friend. AceVote Ace for Mod! 05:21, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
At the very least we need a crabby but hilarious and prolific copy editor. Also, the Weeping Vagina. Could that happen now? I don't know but let's try. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 05:30, 15 December 2011 (UTC)
Nutty asks, Ace delivers. AceVote Ace for Mod! 05:37, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Of Wikis and Synergy[edit]

I dunno if you'll ever read this or care that I posted it, but no matter. I was just over at WikiSynergy looking at all the deleted revisions of our little battle with Green goose. Man, talk about times of olde. We had fucking Bob M, Theemperor, Sterile, and all sorts of other RW people over at WikiSynergy ruffling their feathers. Those were the days, my friend. Back when we proved that the only response that the pseudoscientists had for our critical thinking was to insult us as pseudoskeptics and then, in the case of Green goose, go on a rampage threatening anything and every one he could.... Anyways, if you read this, I hope get as much a kick out of those times as I did and still do. Peace out, my friend. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 09:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, those were Interesting Times indeed. Thanks for the reminder of the memories... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah, the Great Server Crash of '09. Hanging out at WikiSynergy and Teflpedia for two weeks on holiday. Man, those were the glory days. SJ Debaser 23:40, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
WikiSynergy was one of my favs in the strangeosphere found by rw. steriletalk 00:36, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah, such great memories! ħumanUser talk:Human 01:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Board of Trustees nomination[edit]

You have been nominated as a candidate in the 2012 election to the Board of Trustees. Accept or decline here. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 06:36, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up LX! ħumanUser talk:Human 21:48, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Lets retake this wiki![edit]

Congrats, I look forward to working with you again Human my friend. AceAce For Mod! 23:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks! Me too. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Oh great the chill-the-fuck-outers are going to take a giant shit on the beautiful utopian Neu Kultur we've been working on since we nearly got rid of you in May. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 03:19, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I forget, where's the owner's manual? Nobody dots is and crosses ts anymore around here. They all want power but noone wants to do the grunt work... ħumanUser talk:Human 03:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, I'd first like to see us codify mod behaviour/rules before even attempting community stuff. AceAce For Mod! 03:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Rules? I'd think "mods are a lower level of life than even un-sysopped editors" ought to cover it. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Take our Wiki back! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 03:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
You don't need rules for fucks sake and I'm going to stab you in the neck if you get a bug up your bitch ass about "attempting community stuff." I'll fucking cut you, Ace. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 03:52, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Fuck off Nutty. I have no interest in creating rules outside of clarifying what it is mods do and having some way of addressing mod abuse. AceAce For Mod! 04:06, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
All we need to do is remove all "powers" from mods, and reinstate the rule that there are no rules, just behave yourself (occasionally). ħumanUser talk:Human 11:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Congrats on the win.[edit]

It's only fitting. Seeing as it's your wiki and all. PintOfStout Talk BRONIES! 23:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! (I think) :) ħumanUser talk:Human 03:09, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Good to see you back in favour and in power. --DamoHi 04:33, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
"Power"? This must be the sarcastic congratulations section. ħumanUser talk:Human 11:54, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, congratulations my friend! The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 12:03, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! ħumanUser talk:Human 12:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Jesus Christ on a pogo stick[edit]

Are you losers STILL arguing about this nonsense? Let it go and move on. Stop clogging recent changes with your bullshit and edit the fucking wiki in a useful fucking manner. P-Foster Talk "a cheetos-eating, Mountain-Dew drinking vlogger living in someone's basement." 00:15, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Lets post pictures of our genitalia and have a competition on who's looks the most like a famous person. Mine nuts look a little like Abraham Lincoln. AceModerator 00:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Ok, this is officially the worst thing one could possibly read before going to bed. --ʤɱ heretic 00:30, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, my knob looks like Scarlet Johannsen so when I squish them together it looks like she is giving Lincoln a blow-job.......sweet dreams....AceModerator 00:32, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
(a) I do as I please, Foster. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on 12 systems. (b) You could barely make out a winking Ho Chi Minh when my ex bent over. What a rascal. (c) Some industrious person should look up whether the US Copyright Act applies to private expression and what the common law is from place to place. The answer may be of interest to Nx's haterection (haterection and all derivatives thereof are © 2012 Nutty Roux). Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 14:00, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
"somebody should look up what the law says" said our resident lawyer. @Ace: Now I need therapy. --ʤɱ netlabelist 14:21, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
@Ace: Meh, that's nothing. My balls look like Hilary Rodham Clinton cira 2004. If you look up a photo of her from that era and then look at my balls, you'd never be able to tell the difference. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 14:29, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
If she were ever president you could use your balls as a body double. AceModerator 19:10, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I used the word "industrious" with a some good clues to indicate that, while it's a complex issue, I think there's an answer. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 03:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

As Moderator, you have a responsibility - no, a duty - to guarantee free speech[edit]

This comment was made in the saloon bar moments ago. It will be censored, as this is what this website has now become. However, your election heralds the dawn of a new age of reason, compassion, and mobocratic restoration. You have a duty to ensure that this message is heard all around this website. You were elected on the basis of overthrowing the autocratic regime which has assumed control of this website. Help me do this, and future generations will sing of you as their great saviour.

BRING BACK THE MOBOCRACY. (talk) 00:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Human! Now you are needed most! The regime is cascading! The roof is falling! Put your shoulder to the door and blast it open! Let loose the light of liberty, and the dawn of enlightenment![edit]


You were elected on the basis of the enaction of revolutionary change. You easily topped the poll, followed closely by the other mobocratic candidates. Top reactionaries, such as Psygremlin and Nx were nowhere near getting elected. The regime will not release the true final tally as they fear the inevitable consequences of such information. The masses demand the restoration of the mobocracy. I once prophesised that a day would come where you would return, and herald the dawn of the new era. That day has now come. Dismantle the secret police, march the reactionaries to the gallows, and forge a new Rationalwiki, one defined by reason, compassion, and liberty! You must act now, else all will be lost. Godspeed, dear Human. You have a great many deeds ahead of you. (talk) 22:22, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey buddy[edit]

How's it going? AceModerator 02:16, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Baaaaaa ;) Got a cold, but mild. Beat a Vista box back into the 98-age. Wondering what's going on at RationalWiki these days. How are you? ħumanUser talk:Human 02:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, so-so. Sunday afternoon and drinking some wine before picking up my wife who has been out in the country over the weekend then heading out for sushi. I have a powerful craving for wasabi. AceModerator 02:21, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to the Moderator Group![edit]

This post has been removed.
It's good to know that our moderator values the privacy of others so much that when he posts private emails publicly without the consent of the other party, he redacts their identity. -- Nx / talk 17:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
There is no such thing as a "private" email. Once it is sent it is shared with the recipient. Look it up, dummy. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I did look it up, unlike you. -- Nx / talk 05:07, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
It's even better that in his first post related to anything mod-related our new moderator calls the rules the community made over the years "bureaucratic nonsense". Anybody want some popcorn for the next HCM? --ʤɱ constructivist 17:07, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
You are a waste of oxygen. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
No. I'm an aspie virgin authoritarian cunt. --ʤɱ digital native 12:51, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Indeed. And you are fucking useless. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Yup. running for a job that you think is "nonsense" seems completely reasonable. P-Foster 17:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I didn't call the job nonsense. I called Blue's bullshit nonsense. Note how she deleted her hate emails and locked down my talk page? I call that nonsense. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I misread it as a comment on the mod guidelines that the e-mail was running down, not as a comment on the e-mail itself. P-Foster Talk "Go get Ace" 04:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Funny you never commented on the content of the emails I received. Strange perspective. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:24, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
People voted for him knowing this. That's how democracy works. -- Nx / talk 18:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
It's the Rick Perry method. "This entire system is broken and horrible and nothing good can every come out of it. That's why you need me, somebody with no experience, to come in and take over!" --ShadowofLords (talk) 19:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
I find this most troubling. Can people, you know, not poke Human. It seems a purposeful effort on...some peoples part to provoke him. AceModerator 19:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

No, really[edit]

I have lost what little respect for you I ever had. You are a sad, sad person. Blue (pester) 17:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

You locked my talk page? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The dust had barely settled on the election results when I received this nasty missive from Blue (1/6/12):

Far be it from me to rake over old coals, but I would like to give you a bit of a heads-up: unlike bureaucratship, you aren't allowed to remove my or anyone else's moderator bit unless sanctioned by a community vote. We also have a set of voting standards and general procedures for votes that seek to change policy or deal with penalization of users, including removal of moderator rights.

Also, as a moderator you have the power to make it impossible for non-moderators to give a user sysop rights, through the user group called "sysoprevoke." The use of this group is completely up in the air and the subject of much recent tension, so be wary of using it without community approval. In a more general sense, there is a great amount of disagreement as to what the function of moderators is at all, so please try to tread carefully. Things you might have done without thinking as a bureaucrat might be perceived as abuse coming from a moderator.

The fact that I am telling you this, and the fact that this is private, are for the sole purpose of avoiding HCM.

I replied (1/7/12) "Put that on my talkpage if you think it useful. I prefer to work in public, when dealing with strangers.

I find most of it to be bureaucratic nonsense."

And for my trouble then received this further reassurance of good faith (emphasis in original; 1/8/12):

It's not in anybody's interest to start arguments, especially not in public. Old coals and all that. But you'll respond the same way - cavalier dismissal and hand-waving - if I write in good faith or bad faith, thoughtfully or irrationally. I truly hope to never have to interact with you again, but I know eventually we'll have a confrontation. Do you want that confrontation to lead to another May 2011? RationalWiki might just not survive another conflagration of that magnitude.

But who am I, a scoliotic, gender dysphoric, mildly autistic teenager, to tell someone such as you to watch your step? Nobody. So go forth and be merry, safe in the knowledge that I will sooner retire, scramble my password and prevent my computer from accessing than see myself forced into a confrontation that might cripple everything I've worked for and the community I have enjoyed for nearly four years.

Or you could just step down and let ListenerX become a moderator. But I doubt you've read this far. You rarely do.

Since I posted this email which I own - note that "privacy" is given up when a letter is sent - Blue has removed it from my talk page and even "protected" my talk page.

Anyone who messes with this object of discussion - this complete attack on me and even threat to go "May 2011" on me - has no honesty to call upon. This person called on me, two days after election, to resign! I present this communication as an example - for the second time - of how some people think it is ok to "run" this wiki. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:58, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Generally, I like Blue but in this case I think she's gone over the top. Judge & Jury on a crime yet to be committed? Shades of Orwell!. Scream!! (talk) 04:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
hmmm, I think I might go outside for awhile. AceModerator 04:05, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
I'll let you play in your sandbox for a while, Huw. I think, now, the best course of action is to let everyone see this as a monument to who you've become here. Blue (is useful) 04:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Looks like the person he became was Terry Hurlbut. Not something to be proud of. -- (talk) 04:19, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Since I posted this email which I own No, you don't note that "privacy" is given up when a letter is sent That's news to me, and probably a lot of people. You should put up a warning on your user page or talk page to inform anyone who might potentially email you that you might publish their email to avoid misunderstandings like this in the future -- Nx / talk 05:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Nx, please stop being obtuse, you are smarter than that. Did you even consider the content of what Blue wrote? When you send a letter to someone, it becomes their property, at least in the US, where I reside. Also, the only reason I posted this was that the content is 100% about the wiki, how it is run, and what being a "moderator" means. Apparently, to Blue, it means sending nasty, threatening emails to newly-elected moderators. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Sigh. Ok, since you're too pig-headed to look it up yourself, here's a link for you: [2]. -- Nx / talk 09:50, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
As usual, Nx is talking complete bullshit. Posting a link that discusses copyright in general and addresses none of the specifics is no use to anyone. According to Nx, for instance, this Rationalwiki article breaks the law. What has Nx forgotten? Everyone together: fair use. Google the phrase and stop dribbling over your keyboard, Nx. TerrenceKoeckring (talk) 23:36, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Posting a link that discusses copyright in general and addresses none of the specifics is no use to anyone. It does, you're just too busy frothing at the mouth to scroll down to number seven. this Rationalwiki article breaks the law. What has Nx forgotten? Everyone together: fair use. Human said that once the email is sent, it is his property, and he can do whatever he wants with it. That is not true. Fair use doesn't change that. -- Nx / talk 23:46, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Holy fuck you're even impersonating PJR now I see. Fact it, you know NOTHING about this. Stop quoting irrelevant etiquette sites and look at actual copyright law. You cock. TerrenceKoeckring (talk) 23:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I'd think it'd follow wiretapping laws, which, in most jurisdictions, require one party consent (i.e. I can tape a conversation to which I am party without your consent). It's interesting that in email, there should technically be no expectation of privacy (if you're transferring it in plain text), however, there seems to be. Completely irrelevant, but what feels right to me is that one party consent should apply, even if the other party requests otherwise. Occasionaluse (talk) 00:08, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm so glad Blue et al. know what sysoprevoke is for. Now maybe you can give it some transparency some place since it still does not exist. steriletalk 12:22, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

I find it odd that no one - no one at all - has commented at all on the content of what passes for a "welcome to the mod group" email. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:43, 18 January 2012 (UTC)
Bringing this up again so late in the game is trolling. Knock it off. P-Foster Talk "a cheetos-eating, Mountain-Dew drinking vlogger living in someone's basement." 02:55, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

I was not aware there was a one week statute of limitations on the New RationalWiki. How about you stop calling me a troll, and telling me what to do, and apply that noggin of yours to the fairly simple task of parsing the note a Moderator sent me upon my election, if you want to write in this section.

Best regards,

ħumanUser talk:Human 02:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

It's been commented on extensively here, here, here, and probably elsewhere. I don't think there's a whole lot more to be said about it at this stage. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 07:10, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah, thanks! Odd that this is the first time those links have been posted here. Now I can find out what people think of this ugly behaviour. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Fucking Christ!!!![edit]

They have a side-template for Norse Mythology here!!!!!! The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 10:59, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Showing up after a sustained period of limited activity...[edit]

...and making smug, snarky comments about "the children" and "the noobs" (aka community members who have done some good work around here) is hardly a "nice guy" thing to do. Not liking something new is okay. Taking a self-superior attitude and crapping all over stuff that has been around for months and that good people have put good work into is much less so. P-Foster Talk "Watched Mad Men thinking it was supposed to be a sit-com. Found it disappointing." 03:58, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Do you have any idea why my activity has been "limited"? Do you? Being attacked within 5 minutes every time I show up and edit takes a lot of the fun out of a wiki. Taking advice or commentary on my behaviour from someone who calls me a "troll" is thin sauce, by the way. Sorry, the professionals are back in town and the junkyard is gonna get cleaned up. Good people putting good work into making high-quality shit that stays around for months is not a valid argument to not criticize it. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:27, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
Still no reason to be smug, self-superior, or snarky. Or any of the other less-popular dwarves. P-Foster Talk "Watched Mad Men thinking it was supposed to be a sit-com. Found it disappointing." 04:33, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
By definition RW is smug and self-superior. And especially snarky. Your point was...? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:58, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Captain, the butthurt has reached critical levels! Abandon wiki! -- (talk) 18:37, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


Yes, Better. AceModerator 09:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, that link will no longer work. The upshot is I got rid of the copper template in it's entirety. AceModerator 11:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Excellent work! ħumanUser talk:Human 03:57, 3 March 2012 (UTC)


Nice to see you around again. Where were you on Toast day? Redchuck.gif ГенгисOur ignorance is God; what we know is science.Moderator 10:40, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Indeed. You might also want to stay for a spell now that we have a cold fusion crank about these parts. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 12:11, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Hmmm, Template:Holydaze/0224, I like it. Nobody uses the "email this user" function any more for remembrances? Has it really been that long since I played "Vienna" at full volume all night? Here's one for the bronze-age basher, then. RNS, for some reason haven't found a way to work RW into my new schedule and stuff. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:17, 9 March 2012 (UTC)


I knew once the cranks started showing up, you'd come around again. I don't know how, but I just somehow knew you would show up to stop them from breaking your Wiki. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 13:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Ace for Mod[edit]


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This needs a time stamp to get archived. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

A peace offering.[edit]

Human is Good. Good Human

I have been a bit of a dick to you, notably in the wake of the McWiki fiasco. I am sorry. I always dug hanging with you here in the wiki-sphere, and I look forward to being able to do so again. You're a big part of this project, and to love it and be a dick to you don't really go together. Have a beer on me. It's Good, Human. P-Foster Talk ""Santorum is the cream rising to the top."" 04:19, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

No grudges held; olive branches, copious doves, buried hatchets, many pipes of peace smoked and played... enjoying that beer now. Peace, ħumanUser talk:Human 02:02, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
I also wish to be praised. AceModerator 02:03, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Then write me a pottery! Just a small one that will fit over by the gate, nothing too fancy... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
But no haikus. Haikus are easy. Twelve stanzas of beat poetry! Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 04:36, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Reagan as the best president in US history?[edit]

Do you think so? Moonshot926 (talk) 17:57, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Ridiculous question. Reagan was an embarrassment to the 20th century. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

What are your reasons for saying he was not the best?

He saved the world from tyranny and cut the people's taxes. Moonshot926 (talk) 10:59, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Reagan was a hack who read his queue cards. And to the "he cut people's taxes" point: BULLSHIT!!! Yes, he cut the taxes of the rich, but iof you look at the actual, statistical data, he raised taxes on the middle class an poor numerous times. And this is just the start, lest we ignore things like Iran-Contra, his training and funding of the mujihadeen (yes, Reagan is directly responisble for bin Laden), and on and on and on. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 11:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
And on the "savng the world from tyranny" point, that is also bullshit. He replaced communistic tyranny in South America with death squads, and allowed the Middle East to fall into the hands of Islamic extremist nutters. Yes, the Soviet Union fell a while he was President, but that was the consequence of the communist regime itself and not of Reagan. And look at just how fucked up he left Latin America. "Saved the world from tyranny" indeed, so long as you are ignorant to what he actually did! The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 11:10, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, i would like to correct you because you made a huge errors.

"!!! Yes, he cut the taxes of the rich, but iof you look at the actual, statistical data, he raised taxes on the middle class an poor numerous times"

As a result of ERTA and other tax acts in the 1980s, the top 10% were paying 57.2% of total income taxes by 1988 - up from 48% in 1981[3] - while the bottom 50% of earners share dropped from 7.5% to 5.7% in the same period. The total share borne by middle income earners of the 50th to 95th percentile decreased from 57.5% to 48.7% between 1981 and 1988.[4]

The poor were paying LESS share of taxes and the rich were paying MORE share of taxes thanks to Reagan. (talk) 11:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

"his training and funding of the mujihadeen (yes, Reagan is directly responisble for bin Laden), and on and on and on."

On July 3, 1979, U.S. President Carter signed a presidential finding authorizing funding for anticommunist guerrillas in Afghanistan.[3] Following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December Operation Storm-333 and installation of a more pro-Soviet president, Babrak Karmal, Carter announced, "The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan is the greatest threat to peace since the Second World War".[23]

Jimmy Carter started the funding of the Mujahideen. Important detail? (talk) 11:25, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Your statistics compared to mine are flawed. So the rich payed more taxes per capita. THAT'S BECAUSE THEY SAW AN HUGE INFLUX IN THEIR INCOME!!!! Look at the ACTUAL TAX RATES! The rich paid the lowest tax rates in 100 years under Reagan while the actual rates of the middle class and poor went up! If you are going to debate me, make sure you are talking about the same statistics, not strawmen statistics like you threw out. Secondly, under Reagan, support of Mujahadeen activity increased 100 fold. Again, Iran-Contra is a prime example of this and, whether you like it or not, Reagan was 100% responsible for Iran-Contra. And there again, we have the problem of his funding of death squads in Latin America that murdered thousands of civilians, all in the name of "fighting communism." Get your facts straight. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 11:32, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

The median family income increased $4,000 under Reagan. The biggest increase in the past 40 years. Also Reagan whipped inflation.

1976 = 5.75%

1977 = 6.50%

1978 = 7.62%

1979 = 11.22%

1980 = 13.58%

1981 = 10.35%

1982 = 6.16%

1983 = 3.22%

1984 = 4.30%

1985 = 3.55%

1986 = 1.91%

1987 = 3.66%

1988 = 4.08%

Look at inflation under Carter(1976-1980) versus inflation under Reagan(1980-1988). (talk) 11:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

What does infaltion have to do with the price of beans again? How does that relate to any of the points I made? The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 06:10, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Is there a special template to get this special idiot off one's talk page? ħumanUser talk:Human 02:55, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Collapse perhaps? ТyLonely. Ever so lonely. 02:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
I was actually thinking more of a manual archiving... ħumanUser talk:Human 02:58, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey Human, you notice both Democrats and Republicans now look back on the Good 'ol days of Reagan & Clinton, which are not going to return anytime soon. nobsI'm not a doctor but I play one with the girls 19:39, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
That's because everyone is looking for the next economic bubble like we had under those guys and forgets that, when economic bubbles burst, we run into economic situations like we have now. The Symphony of Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 20:40, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
That just means we need to make more bubbles, faster! :-) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I remember the 1980's. Everything was great under Reagan. There was a huge influx of capital thanks to his tax cuts. The tech industry boomed. Microsoft, Apple, IBM all got big at that time. Plus there was all the high-technollogy defense projects under Reagan. The MX missile, F-117 nighthawk, B-2 bomber and Strategic Defense Initiative. Moonshot926 (talk) 21:44, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

The SDI? You mean the "Star Wars" boondoggle?
Everything was great under Reagan. Except for the whole AIDS crisis. But who cares about gay people, eh? Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
SDI was not a boondoggle. Very imporant research was done in national laboratories and universities. I thought liberals were in favor of the government funding science? SDI would eventually lead to the Patriot system, THAAD and the Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System. So it was hardly a waste. Moonshot926 (talk) 23:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Learn to indent.
Very imporant research was done... Very important research in the very important fields of blowing people up. Liberals are in favor of the government funding science, yes, but they prefer to leave the science of killing large amounts of people to the private sector, rather than directly funding such things with taxpayer money.
I notice you didn't respond to my point about Reagan ignoring the growing AIDS epidemic. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 23:28, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but lots of the technollogy we use today was derived from Cold War military technollogy. For example, GPS was developed for guidance of ballistic missiles. So i guess you could say that GPS was developed with the intent to kill millions of people. So, in your opinion, GPS was a waste of money. The HIV strain was not definitively identified until 1984/85. So Reagan's first term was already over. At the time, the outbreak of the disease wasn't even called AIDS -- it was called "GRID," which stands for "Gay Related Immune Deficiency." At the time this was thought to be a "Gay related" illness which didn't concern mainstream America. Reagan was no different from anyone else in this regard. The fact is, until the disease started to spread outside the Gay Community, there wasn't much that any government did to combat it. Moonshot926 (talk) 23:54, 27 March 2012 (UTC)
Replace gays with jews, or commies, or atheists, or any other minority. --il'Dictator Mikal 00:07, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
@Moonshot. Point taken. I stand corrected. Nonetheless, I maintain that that money would have been better spent on less violent research. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 02:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)