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Same Forum, different layout. All the interesting stuff from the latest leaks.


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Techy Things to do with showing/hosting logs[edit]

Suggestion[edit]

It might be worth, at some point, migrating some of the many posts mentioned above to the relevant articles: Conservapedia:Fab Five and Conservapedia:Conservapedia Group. I'd do it, but I've been drinking vodka and Red Bull since lunch. --Ψ GremlinRunāt! 13:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Fully agreed, and it's likely what's going to happen once we're past the initial binging. It'll take a bit to figure out what are larger trends and what are simply tiny trivia blips. For example, Karajou versus the Bible Project seems to be larger, but him being a complete asshat may just be a collection of blips. Not sure myself, yet. --Sid (talk) 13:58, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

More Readable Versions[edit]

Currently hosting more readable versions of the dumped logs. If someone could mirror this zip, I'd appreciate it. Click to download. – Nick Heer 21:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Good work, I will mirror it here for a while. 130.113.121.183 (talk) 21:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks a lot. Second mirror here. mb 23:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I still can't read it. It's not exactly easy for me to read anything with my eyesight, but CSS? WTF is that? Goddamnit. It's either between text that goes beyond the left of my screen in terrible format, or a bunch of squares with numbers. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 00:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Have you tried completely disabling the CSS? It's View -> Page Style -> No Style if you have Firefox. You'll have to scroll over lots of crap the CSS is normally hiding but you'll also have a reasonably large font and nothing will run off screen. mb 01:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Awesome, this makes it much more simpler. Thanks, Mountain Blue. Next time I watch porn, I'll think of you. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 01:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Pared down[edit]

Hey, I've pared down all the extraneous html from the fab five files, now it's mostly plaintext and actually readable: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NTS51UOC is the link. Other one should be coming soon. ThunderkatzHo! 05:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The CP archive is here. I can do .tar.gz if people can't open .zips. ThunderkatzHo! 05:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Can anyone explain to me how to read these? I just get a ton of numbered folders, with individual pages? how can I read and navigate all of them? Or can I not? On a Mac here. DogP (talk) 05:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
That's some serious regex foo. I'm way to goddamn lazy to do that. But, on the other hand, I was thinking of doing it for everything and creating an indexed, searchable database of all four leaks. Uhh, meet me in the Forum. – Nick Heer 05:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
@DogP You basically have to look at each page individually. When you double click a page, it'll open up in your default browser. If you want, I can give you things to type into your Terminal to concatenate all the pages into one, but it won't tell you where one discussion topic ends and another begins (though I could probably give you code to show that too, if you really wanted). ThunderkatzHo! 05:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
OK, so if you have enough Unix-fu to get to the main folder of all the number folders (if you type "ls" you'll see a list of the different folders, just google "unix cd" for moving around) in the Terminal application (in your Utilities folder), you're going to type two things: first, you're going to type "bash" and hit enter (this enters the bash shell, in case you're not in already, and we need it for for loops). Then you're going to copy and paste this in:
for f in [0-9]*; do for j in "$f"/*.html; do cat "$j" >> all.html; echo \<br/\>\<HR\>\<br/\> >> all.html; done; done
Once you hit enter, you should see a file called "all.html" appear in the folder where you ran this. If you double click it, it'll open in your default broswer, and have every conversation in that archive in one giant page, which each discussion topic separated by a fancy little bar (I didn't keep dates when I pared everything down, so I have no idea if there's any order to any of it). ThunderkatzHo! 05:47, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks so much for all the help, but now that I know they won't build into an actual site, I'll just search them for thing - that works fine. I just thought I was missing something. DogP (talk) 05:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Realized there might not be pared down versions of the other archives, so ZB is here. Special Sysop group possibly coming soon. Also realized that each of these pages has a topic title I haven't been including. Worth redoing to include it? ThunderkatzHo! 06:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Topic title would indeed be useful and also if you could put in some delimiter (like a bunch of dashes) to separate the threads. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 09:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

More pared down[edit]

TZB, CP, and Fab Five archives, all pared down to mostly plaintext, with topics at the top of each page, all in one archive: [1]. ThunderkatzHo! 18:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Fixing the formatting[edit]

I wrote some code to fix all of the formatting and URLs in general: Code available here feel free to run it on the source files, and then redistribute. Runs in a POSIX environment. ("But I run Windows" I hear you screeching. I wrote it on CYGWIN, and ran it on CYGWIN). --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 05:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Slap the whole thing onto the webs somewhere?[edit]

Seeing how inconvenient it is for many people to browse and read these things offline: how about we put all those leaked discussion groups on a web server? Not as yet another tarball, as an actual browsable collection of actual pages? I have the space, the bandwidth and the regex fu. If it turns out there is demand I may do something. Comments please. mb 11:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Would love to be able to translate all these links to the discussions into actual workable links, so I can see what people are talking about (haven't downloaded the entire file yet). Of course, this comes across as "I'm too lazy to download and see what people are talking about, so do the work for me" but, well, I am lazy and it would make it easier :-) 12.16.112.2 (talk) 14:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd find it easier to read them that way. It'd probably turn out like PJR's behind the scenes at CP site. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 15:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Turn out like... what? Good or bad? Please elaborate. mb 15:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Turn out good I think. I'm one of these people having display problems, particularly with the left margin, and something that allows me to view the leaks without messing around with computer stuff beyond my ken would be excellent. It'd also be a useful resource to link directly to, as we're currently using references which mean people have to go into their own copies to find any reference. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 16:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the display suck and the referencing thing were what I what thinking about. What I meant to ask was: what's PJR's behind the scenes at CP site? mb 16:06, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
You haven't seen this site? -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 16:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Discussion Group Details Lists[edit]

Although this may end up like the bible project I have created 2 lists from tables generated by Larron. Here and here. if anyone thinks this is wrong stylistically or just too obsessive please inervene but for my own sake I intend to work through the lists highlighting any important or interesting bits in an additional column. It will help me cross reference in the future etc and may be of use to others. StarFish (talk) 13:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I have moved them out of the mainspace. - π 13:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Pi. StarFish (talk) 14:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

CP dump on the web, browsable[edit]

All threads from the recent CP dump, sorted by date of first post: http://cp.noym.net. The layout of the index page may still change but the URLS are stable, ie. threads can now be linked to. Is this useful? Would anybody want me to do the same thing with the Fab Five archive? mb 19:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Damn son. Puts my stuff to shame. ThunderkatzHo! 19:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Would it be possible to use the versions that fixed the style sheets? 130.113.218.226 (talk) 20:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Eh? I did use the versions that fixed the style sheets. Of course we can change the style sheets even further if that's what people want. Ask for something specific. mb 20:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Maybe just my browser then. 130.113.218.226 (talk) 20:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't work for me in any browser - the stylesheet isn't loading so the left margin is still trimmed. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 21:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
+1. Also, I've read the CP leaks with bad formatting, do the Fab Five ones first. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 21:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Eh. I'm on it. mb 21:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
PROBLEM SOLVED. I uploaded text-only versions of all pages, helpfully provided by User:Thunderkatz. These don't need any style sheets at all. mb 03:08, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Everything looks awesome now, thanks mb. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 13:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Meanwhile, please to enjoy The Fab Five on the Web. mb 21:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Also, The Complete and Unabridged Zeuglodon Blues. mb 03:10, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks - one minor item: the title of http://cp.noym.net/cp.html is "Fab Five", instead of "Conservapedia Group"...
And what about the Special Discussion Group? The material is a little bit dated.. http://cpmonitor.wordpress.com/2010/04/07/more-sauces/
larronsicut fur in nocte 13:39, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Holy crap, we do have the SDG? I was blissfully unaware of that. Aside from the SDG, what do you mean the material is a little bit dated? Is there newer sauce I should know about? mb 14:31, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
No, he just meant the contents of the SDG are pretty old (3 years?) by now. --Ψ GremlinПоговорите! 14:41, 11 February 2011 (UTC)



Miscellaneous with interesting commentary by the native wildlife of Rationalwiki[edit]

Zero Header[edit]

My fave so far is CP/31-60/22fabadcccb44b2a.htm, where Ed says "all the new users with a name like mine ("Ed") are parodists." Occasionaluse (talk) 14:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

My fave there has to be Kara - he is seriously nuts. However, I love the couple of posts where first he's complaining that the Rats are sending spam to the zoho account - clearly forgetting Andy had it on the Main page and clearly not knowing how spammers harvet info. "The first one so far is a "request" to send money out of another country. Next will be Russian dates, porn, quack medicine, and so on *ad nauseum*."(CP/91-120/13b6c329d74631eb.htm). What I really loved tho was (Fab Five/271-300/33af99353c2d9156.htm)
This time, and I assume it's still him, has placed my name and email addy on a Russian "mail-order bride" site, and now I have messages from a "Yekarterina" who's a little more-than-desperate to leave the confines of the Lake Baikal area. The only question I had for her was where and how did she get my name...which she has refused to answer. I have this person blocked.
Lol! Awesome! He even interrogates desperate Russian brides. --? GremlinSermā! 14:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Karajou sure does talk to himself a lot there... Occasionaluse (talk) 14:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason we are using references like "Fab Five/271-300/33af99353c2d9156.htm" instead of the normal way we cite things on here? --Leotardo (talk) 14:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's the same convention as with SDG and TZB. The actual files aren't on RW, but the link is a reverence to their location in the archives. --? GremlinPraat! 14:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Psy, you're the best. My morning will be fun-filled now. PubliusTalk 14:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
It brings a tear to my eye to think that never again will TK be around to leak CP's email lists to us. RIP TK, you faithless shit. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 14:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


How strangely flattering: RonLar is Larron backwards...and he is taking our POV apart with Larron's typical boatload of charts!
Everyone wave goodbye to him.
--TK Fab Five/31-60/cf3a5abf9e43cf64.htm
larronsicut fur in nocte 14:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm not totally sold by the "TK leaked the ZGB" line (hopefully someone can let me know which editor it was exactly which rewrote all those URIs accidentally in the last archive), but I'm pretty damned sure TK didn't leak this lot. Whoever did pull these down did a better job of forging the data this time, but there's a bloody obvious error in it. MaxAlex Swimming pool 14:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
And that would be? --? GremlinПоговорите! 14:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Oh, fie and tush. You're just trying to start a witch hunt to find out which of the other CP sysops is the RW mole... We know it isn't Kendoll or RobS... Hrm. Could it be Karajou? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
@LArron: I think it's in that thread, but somewhere Andy asks people not to block you. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 15:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
There's a bit of speculation that CPalmer is a sock of Bugler in 391-420 0038. Either way, it's always nice to meet a local. EddyP Great King! Disaster! 15:56, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Which of the sysops is supposed to have leaked this latest batch? It has a thread about TK's passing so I assume it wasn't he... --Benod (talk) 19:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, quite, amongst other issues. I put some thoughts on my user page, MaxAlex Swimming pool 20:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
TK probably disclosed his access details to another user rather than manually copying everything. Don't forget Occam's Razor. Despite what they do over there, TK is the only senior sysop who was called out as a parodist and traitor. After all it's hardly the first time he let other people into their discussions.  Lily Inspirate me. 20:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I put both possibilities in the discussion. But it's not just the dates that are wrong, the whole thing smells. There is a simple, easy explanation for all this other than TK leaking stuff cackhandedly, so I know where my Occam's razor is cutting. MaxAlex Swimming pool 20:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I promised never to rat on TK's feed but now that he's gone and Psy has made it public we had access to the account on solemn promise that it was read only. It's a great loss now that he's gone. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 22:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
So could someone clear up once and for all what TK's deal was? What was his aim for CP? EddyP Great King! Disaster! 22:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd also be interested to know who "we" is... –SuspectedReplicant retire me 22:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I kind of figured that would be the reason used, but it simply doesn't add up. TK used that mail account for years, I don't get why he would let someone in there - with google's predilection for never deleting data, there would almost certainly be juicy gossip in there. And he would share that with a site that was trying to out him as a homo? What would TK gain from such an arrangement? Doesn't add up. MaxAlex Swimming pool 08:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Quick fix to make it more readable: do a find and replace across all files, replacing @import "/groups/

with

@import "http://groups.google.com/groups/Nick Heer 21:09, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Better Yet: Currently hosting readable versions of the dumped logs. If someone could mirror this zip, I'd appreciate it. Click to download. – Nick Heer 21:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Right, this is going to sound incredibly ignorant, but can someone tell/show/message me how to read the archives, or point me to where it is explained? This whole thread sounds interesting but I have absolutely no idea what to do to read the stuff.AlexR4444 (talk) 00:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

403 Update[edit]

In CP/90/f6f01b662eb84088.html, TerryH is complaining about being 403'ed. Looks like it might be another victory for cockup vs conspiracy after all. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 14:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

This made my day. Editor at CPma?y ksia;z.e 15:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
There's also talk by Andy and Jpatt (he claims something like "20 rangeblocks in 5 seconds") that I'm too lazy to look-up. It seems they are 403'ing ip addresses, especially from Europe, to prevent DDoS attacks. --? GremlinSermā! 15:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
My address has been going in and out of 403 mode for weeks, at completely unpredictable intervals. Whatever it is they think they're doing there isn't to much rhyme or reason to it. Hateboy (talk) 15:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
More likely that your IP is changing.
CP/31-60/727da2ed08f13d44.htm seems to where Andy asks about blocking IPs from the server, and it was on Dec 21 last year, which is roughly when the 403 problems started. Could be coincidence... –SuspectedReplicant retire me 16:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Ah yes. In CP/31-60/a2416fb4e4eb26a1.htm, he says he's blocked 77.*, 80.*, 81.*, 82.*, 84.*, 85.*, and 86.* (117,440,512 IPs). That certainly explains one of my ranges. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 16:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Dear fuck, I'm just having a read through and some of it is seriously unhinged. I mean, seriously, there is so much hate in there. Paranoia, distrust, desire to embarrass, remove, even harm anyone they label "liberal". If you stop treating it as a joke for a moment some of it's pretty scary. Scarlet A.pngsshole 20:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
It's funny how Karajou always accuses us of being "hate-filled" and then quite happily spits the bile he does. I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Fab Five right now. --? GremlinSpeak! 20:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Most likely they've skipped to yet another SDG. EddyP Great King! Disaster! 21:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I would typically consider it to be scary, except that there is no reality to it. It may show that they have a desire to embarrass and harm people, but they can't, and they won't. They simply don't have the ability and power to do so. When they actually do try, they fail. Nothing on Conervapedia is taken seriously, so whatever posted there is basically a rant to thin air. Look at the FBI incident. Look at Karajou's supposed reportings of people to local governments. They don't work out so well. Just recently, Karajou apparently tried to get me, and other RationalWikians, blocked from Wikipedia, but that too, of course, failed. They may show a desire to do nasty things, but they simply cannot do anything as I see it. All talk, but no successful action. ~SuperHamster Talk 22:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Dunno...[edit]

"Since it's creation, the Fab Five has expanded to include Karajou and TerryH." So it would be more like the Sweaty Seven then? Hateboy (talk) 15:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Or now TK is no more, perhaps the Subnormal Six. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:39, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Although I didn't like the guy I have to say that TK was probably the smartest of the bunch. He certainly managed to lead them a merry dance. Ken, Karajou, Ed, Jpratt and RobS are all dunces; Andy and TerryH ought to be smarter than they appear as they have had reasonable educations but they have a degree of madness which over-rides critical thinking. Of course the really smart ones like DanH, TimS, Bethany and Sharon left in disgust; I wonder if we'll ever see Jallen back?  Lily Inspirate me. 19:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Zeugloden Leak[edit]

Has anyone found any messages from when the Zeugloden Blues was leaked? It would be interesting to see what they said. EddyP Great King! Disaster! 21:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I did a quick search for Zeuglodon, Blues and ZB within all files. Only stuff posted originally to TZB was uncovered. Nothing reactionary. – Nick Heer 02:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Radioactive Afikomen a traitor to RW?[edit]

Perhaps he'd like to explain himself? Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 23:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that too. His plan was pretty poor though, so no harm done. EddyP Great King! Disaster! 23:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Hah, yeah that's a pretty weaksauce plan right there. I guess it didn't appeal to the super spy within TK either. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 23:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Reference ? P-Foster (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'd like a reference, too. The Goonie Punk Can't sleep, clowns will eat me! 23:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
/Fab Five/271-300/649aef7b2eaa5226.htm and meh and erm. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 00:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I think it says it pretty plainly in the link. He was pissed off at us and wanted to lash out, I get pissed off at you guys (I.E. the amorphous blob that is RationalWiki as an entity) sometimes too. No harm no foul and all that jazz. Tmtoulouse (talk) 00:37, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
It's nothing I haven't considered before, like leaking the Super Secret Contents of the Super Secret Forum. Scarlet A.pngsshole 10:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

*snort* Hahahahaha! I'm flattered you thought me capable of being selfless enough to betray this place. I'm far too vain to ruin my own image with betrayal. My intent was to spur participation in the RationalWiki Folding@Home group. I figured no one would give a crap unless it involved Conservapedia, and so I hoped to CP to start their own F@H group Surely, RW's sheer spitefulness would drive many of you to participate in RationalWiki's own Folding@Home group? But, alas, it was not to be. TK never expressed any interest. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

On Armondikov's note, however, there was a time where I gave serious thought to sabotaging this wiki as much as possible. You know, rename everbody to an absurdly long name and strip everybody's user rights, move all the high-revision-count pages to include characters MediaWiki didn't like then delete them, and put up a copy of the secret forums for Conservapedians to read. The only reason I didn't was because (1) it would've been easily fixable, if still tedious and headache-inducing to repair, and (2) vanity again; any infamy I gained would be short-lived and quickly forgotten (RationalWiki has a terrible institutional memory). Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

But, that was a very angry time in my life. I'm happy to say I've largely moved on. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 20:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Citizendium[edit]

Can anyone find which file has the comments about how we attacked citizendium with the skills we honed on CP and ASK? Tmtoulouse (talk) 04:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

/CP/241-270/adc41bff0d91cc83.htm Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 04:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Another (unexpected) keyword to look for[edit]

Just do a search for mentions of the Guard Dog. I'm too sleepy to do a timeline analysis or anything, but Ken apparently suggested asking PJR to whip up a new version of it (I guess because PJR likes Conservapedia and all the sysops who backed him in his struggle against TK and Andy. Er... wait.), which was met with (somewhat surprising) hostility. Bonus points for Ed suggesting that he could write a PHP bot/extension for MediaWiki that acts as a guard-dog before the edit even gets logged in the database - the ultimate oversight. --Sid (talk) 04:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I would have loved for someone to have called Ed's bluff on that. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 09:52, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ides in the TZB archives[edit]

FUCK YEAH! They totally bought the Ides! Brilliant. TZB/730/7c8a048fb3fc1560.html DogP (talk) 06:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Also PJR freaked out about them here. DogP (talk) 21:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Titles of Threads[edit]

Activity at the SDGs
I just made a list of the titles of the threads at CP and Fab Five. Have a look here.

--larronsicut fur in nocte 09:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Superb. IMO this should be moved to mainspace and linked to the articles about lists in question. Another column added with a brief description of the contents. I'm happy to work on this if others agree. StarFish (talk) 10:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The date the thread was started could be useful also. The thing with this volume of data is that it is only meaningful if we are able to cross reference it with other "real world" events that we know about and as a huge mess of html text it's difficult to get to grips with. StarFish (talk) 10:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Of course I did this using a small perl script. The date of the first edit is already in, I may add the author. Feel free to move wherever it fits best, and to add content... larronsicut fur in nocte 10:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
yes I see the date. It's nice work larron. The author would be a good addition too. This makes the data MUCH more manageable. StarFish (talk) 10:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)



Andy Schlafly[edit]

aka teh Assfly aka AndyPandy aka The WonderWannabeFailure

Backbone of the United States[edit]

This one actually made me LOL! CP/CP/61-90/3113befb9b6ab337.htm Take it away, Andy:

The rotating image of Conservapedia is powerful in many ways. But Iwill take it down Tuesday morning unless someone objects, because I think it may be slow to load and thereby limiting our traffic and number of visitors. Those who saw it Monday night and Tuesday, however, are likely to be persuaded by the message it conveys: Conservatism is the backbone of the United States, and freedom in the world.

SuspectedReplicant retire me 17:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Assfly on Page Rank[edit]

Also of note regarding page rankings (CP/91-120/0016091b2735e999.htm):

"Traffic is strong so far in November.
One note of caution about Alexa traffic: it only measures traffic that finds websites using the Alexa search engine. It does not capture our large amount of traffic resulting from users typing in "Conservapedia" directly, or bookmarks. A relatively small percentage of our traffic comes from search engines, and a very small percentage from Alexa.
Our ranking based on fuller measures of traffic should be much higher than our Alexa ranking.
Andy"

Quite a serious misunderstanding of Alexa's rankings... while Schlafly speaks true that they can only gather proximal data from a small number of Alexa users/volunteers, this is true of ALL websites. Thus every site should be higher than shown - which means Alexa shows all sites fairly accurately! That's why the stats are measured by rank or percentage rather than by solid and absolute numbers. Scarlet A.pngsshole 20:35, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Night Editing and Registration[edit]

From CP/211-240/0592d85440f3a0ec.htm

We always thought it was the Team Killer, but "NEVER HAVE BOTH REGISTRATION AND EDITING ON AT THE SAME TIME for a while. There is no reason to." comes straight from teh Assfly's keyboard. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 19:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Great find! That needs to be added to some of the CP pages, and probably the Timeline.  Lily Inspirate me. 19:40, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

/8 blocks[edit]

I lost my place (I think it's in the "CP" archive), but Andy proposes blocking the world. He then says he executed 6 or 8 /8 blocks. I was interested to hear this didn't come from TK. Occasionaluse (talk) 16:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Andy blocking the planet: CP/31-60/727da2ed08f13d44 Occasionaluse (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
7 /8 blocks by Andy: CP/31-60/a2416fb4e4eb26a1 Occasionaluse (talk) 19:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Been There, Done That, Had The Edit ConflictsSuspectedReplicant retire me 20:00, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Cocksucker. I'll find you. Occasionaluse (talk) 21:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I'll put the kettle on. You bring the Manglide. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 21:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

All Germans are Sid - unless they are not Germans. Then they are Auld Nick[edit]

Clement B. was one of my favorite editors at CP - remember thisimg? He somewhat exclusively quarreled with A. Schlafly - or, in A. Schlafly's words: His constant insulting of our editors over nit-picky issues seems designed to drive them awayFab Five/301-330/16807cf73c7b86a7.htm So, what to do? Try to counter his arguments? Or go on a wild goose-chase/Fab Five/301-330/a80d395d3244d7fd.htm? And one has to love A. Schlafly's knowledge of the German schools:

TK, thanks for the quick block and revert of "ClemB", formerly ClementB. I think the chances of his being a history and math teacher from Germany are less than 1 in a million. I've never known someone who taught both history and math, for starters. That's like coaching football and conducting the orchestra. The two skills just don't mix. And from Germany? I find it absurd, frankly.

I've never known someone who taught both history and math - unless he is sitting in a church basement and thinking about a course on critical thinking in math

larronsicut fur in nocte

That would be "teach history and math with a modicum of skill in either subject". Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 09:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I was taught French by a history teacher once. He was really bad at it. --Kels (talk) 22:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

TK's obituary[edit]

won't happen. As thus spoke Andy:

Unfortunately, I don't think we can confirm or deny anything about TK at this time. He chose not to use his real name on Conservapedia, and I think we need to respect that. Posting about him might just bring out abominable, sick comments by liberals. In Christ, Andy
cp/1-30/300d458b1c474f25.htm - Reagan's 100th and TK

larronsicut fur in nocte 09:31, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

If nothing else, the sysops' silence on this, part from Jpatt's "Oh, I hope the rats aren't lying," is a fairly good indicator of what a truly miserable bunch they are. Dean's wife's passing received more attention, even behind the scenes, than TK's. They are an utterly nasty bunch of individuals. --Ψ GremlinRunāt! 10:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Pageviews = book sales[edit]

Andy, from CP/151-180/ccb8c...:

But now "Biblical scientific foreknowledge" has over 34,000 page views and I'm convinced it has opened many hearts and minds to the Bible, with the result of converting many atheists and potential atheists to Christianity. Note that a typical best-selling book on the New York Times best-seller list has sales of about 30,000 copies. This entry has surpassed that.

Makes sense to me! It's also interesting that apparently, no other group member was able to reply to this post with a straight face. --Sid (talk) 12:12, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, with that logic my user page with 7,669 views did alright and I should get another deal - π 12:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Damn! My blog's had nearly double that. Do you think I should start negotiating a movie deal? --Ψ GremlinSpeak! 12:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Try to get Michael Bay, he is the only one that could do it justice. - π 12:46, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Their obsession (especially Andy's) with Pageviews is particularly laughable. It's as if they see every pageview as another liberal converted to conservatism, whereas most of the time it's people coming to laugh at them. Do a search for Conservapedia on Twitter and it's all people commenting on how ridiculous it is - mainly about  K e n D o l l ' s  current obsession with ponies and his previous one with obesity. They see record pageviews as proof of the power of their conservative message; I see it as record numbers of people coming to see how ridiculous the extreme right wing of American politics has become. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 12:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Best of all, even if somebody is converted and signs up going, "Thank you for your valuable insights. I have finally seen that conservatism is the way and I'm willing to help," one of the nutters there will go, "Liberal! Die! Die! Die!" --Ψ GremlinKhuluma! 12:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, their pageview obsession is laughable, and they know they're inflated. But this is the part where it gets good: They try/tried to use bot inflation to selectively seed their own Top 10 by only deleting/restoring articles they didn't want to see there. See "CP/61-90/23d7f..." - Hitler goes out, CPB gets to stay... McCain was kicked out, but that was a bad call... and of course, Karajou has his own take on this situation, thinking that the bot inflation will make people go "I wonder why this has so many views..." (so far, so good), which will then of course lead to their conversion and salvation (...huh...?) because they will of course be convinced by the high-quality work on CP (hahaha). --Sid (talk) 13:50, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Andy knew they were being inflated back in 2007, it's in the SDG archive. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 20:16, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Delusional or The Best of teh Assfly[edit]

CP/CP/121-150/09fd261489516151.htm:

  • 'Unlike most websites, including Wikipedia, every one of our visitors is looking to us for life-changing answers, and we are not disappointing them. Thanks for helping educate a world hungry for the truth, which is a scarce commodity. Andy. '--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 16:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Awesome find. Am adding to the quotes on Conservapedia. --Ψ GremlinTala! 16:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


CP/151-180/f0d4e1d374fe8a29.htm:

  • ' Andy: (the editor) Seems to be from Mississippi, but that's an unlikely source for an editor... '--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 16:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)



RobZ legit???

  • But I have a bad feeling about RobZ. His IP seems to be a proxy from Oklahoma, not a State having a large number of Wiki-style editors. Few people are named "RobZ" either. That looks suspicious to me. I'm going to block this one. But other new editors are worth watching. In Christ, Andy

YEC[edit]

I keep reading Andy's comments about a young Earth (mainly in the SDG) and am gob-smacked at his ignorance. (http://cp.noym.net/d786ff85bece67ec):

  • One can form an opinion about age without seeing alternatives. Lack of erosion in sharp features, for example. High concentration of freshwater. If I walk outside and see puddles, then I can conclude it has not been long since a rainfall, without any comparison needed.
More generally, I've noted a tendency for creationist organizations to officially reject an argument that may be persuasive to others and to me, and then that rejection is spread in a dogmatic way. I ran into this with the implausibility of a whale having evolved, with User:Conservative declaring that such argument had been "officially" rejected, despite its persuasive power and use by an established scientist to criticize evolution.

Basically he rejects the pseudo-scientific approach of the hardline YECs and goes with his "it just looks young to me" the same way that his beautiful fall foliage is proof against evolution. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 15:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Delusions of grandeur[edit]

Andy's megalomania in a nutshell (CG, January 31st, 2011):

We've broken our record for unique visitors in the month of January. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL!!!

All of our traffic sees the conservative message, and with our high volume, our site could be the single biggest reason American culture is moving to the right.

So there you have it, a backwater blog with half a dozen dim-witted regulars is the single biggest player in American politics. Fox News, eat your heart out. Röstigraben (talk) 15:10, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

How about a picture of an orangutan, crying?[edit]

Duh..... Jesus wept. DogP (talk) 23:49, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Well it's good to see that even the sysops have realised they aren't building an encyclopaedia anymore. --PsyGremlinSprich! 10:37, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Mr Schlafly goes to Washington[edit]

Recently, Andy has had delusions of grandeur regarding Conservapedia's place in the world, making such claims as Glenn Beck wouldn't be losing listeners, if he read Conservapedia, the millions who have dumped MySpace would be turning up at Conservapedia and even that Conservapedia is responsible for America's turn to the right.

But he takes it to a new level, in the comments below:

After watching and dealing with more than 3 years of liberal deceit attacking our site, we have accumulated valuable experience in recognizing and eradicating the liberal tricks and traps.

Now it's time to share that with our allies. Some will listen and vastly improve because of it. Some won't, either because they've been infiltrated themselves or they don't take good advice. But enough will listen to make our experience very, very worthwhile for many people.

Training sessions for others in various cities like DC may even be worthwhile.[1]

— Unsigned, by: Psygremlin / talk / contribs
I openly admit that some RWF discussions between Trent and I have had delusions of grandeur but nothing on that scale. Scarlet A.pngsshole 14:10, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Karajou[edit]

aka Kowardjerk aka Kajagoogoo aka Karajerk

Battlestar Galactica[edit]

Quoth Karajou:

...and user Gaius (AmesG, after a character in *Battlestar Galactica*).

I don't know whether to laugh or facepalm. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 15:25, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I remembered seeing this before:
That brings up Galactica, specifically a character who shares the exact same traits as Ames: Baltar. According to the series, Baltar sold out his people in exchange for power and prestige, totally uncaring that what he did was cause a lot of destruction. In the new series, Baltar was cast with a first name: Gaius.
from 150\c0ad2e1142f1d091.html in the old ZB files. Popeye seems to have a fixation. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 15:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I bet Karajou loved series 3... -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 15:29, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

That swabbie sure is angry[edit]

His conspiracy theory in Fab 5 61-90/58db5878324af749 has me in hysterics. Everything is an RW plot to steal his precious bodily fluids. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

And one day we shall obtain them! EddyP Great King! Disaster! 16:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Any more spoiler you can provide, for those of us who haven't been able to download the RAR files yet? 64.30.2.130 (talk) 18:24, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Whats particularly great about that sequence is the complaints about steal user names. What happened was that a series of pages were imported onto the wiki page. When you export a page from a site and import it into another wiki the act of importing attaches however much of the history of the page was exported, and thus creates false edit entries. So none of those accounts were ever actually created, its just a by product of how the export/import feature of MW works. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajerk on Page Rank[edit]

From CP/CP/61-90/66f70e2ada966533.htm: (paraphrasing)

Karajerk: Ha! RW is practically the least-viewed site on the entire internet!
Karajerk: Look! Look! RW hardly exists at all!
Rob Smith: You're looking at the wrong site.
Ed: (random nonsense)
Karajerk: Well... they don't matter anyway.

Stick to swabbing the decks, Popeye. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 17:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

This may have been just after Rob tried that same shtick here until we politely informed him that rationalwiki.com was replaced by rationalwiki.org several months ago. Indeed, if you stick them side-by-side on Alexa you can see the switch over clear as day. Scarlet A.pngsshole 18:31, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

{rest of lulz moved to Andy's section above}

The very first post in the very first folder of the Fab Five[edit]

"Is there any evidence of a bot that would set off alarms with RW users, alerting them to open access in Conservapedia? Consider this...They use this bot to commit vandalism, thereby disrupting our website.They coordinate amongst themselves when they do it; they have worked amongst themselves the details of this bot. Does the term "conspiracy" mean anything here? Can these people now be charged a crime? " Angry Bear thinks we're all going to jail, and the outlook for me getting any work done today now looks pretty grim. P-Foster (talk) 17:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Would you people cut me in on this cloak and dagger secret activity I keep hearing about? I'm currently the most prolific (read "saddest") RW editor and I have never been invited to one of these meetings where we co-ordinate attacks on CP! I feel properly left out... Scarlet A.pngsshole 18:27, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Says November's Botter of the Month. Your denial won't save you from RICO my friend. Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Trent, we had an agreement, I'm the plausible deniability in the plan! Scarlet A.pngsshole 18:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
That was before I realized how much Karajou had all ready weeded out and sent to the authorities. If I am going down, y'all are coming with me!Tmtoulouse (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Fine, I'll leak the secret forum contents to Schlafly and co! Scarlet A.pngsshole 20:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Do that, and you'll never see your goat again. --? GremlinParla! 20:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I think most of it's safe to leak, but I'd keep the messages for Jan 5-7 secret - for obvious reasons! –SuspectedReplicant retire me 20:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I thought it was 15-17th December.... Scarlet A.pngsshole 01:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajou aka Will-E-Coyote[edit]

I know its a bit self-centered but I can't help but be drawn to the revenge plans foisted at me personally. So far my favorite was the plan to try and attack my research. I will try and get the location but its on my home computer. Anyway roughly here is the plan:

  1. Take the conference papers I have published on my user page and send them to bottom-feeder Denyse O'Leary
  2. O'Leary will find a conservative psychologist to "rip them apart"
  3. Make them as negative and nasty as possible, publish them
  4. Wait for me to sue them
  5. In court I will say that they are slander and damaging to my future
  6. In classic Parry Mason fashion, yell out to the judge, "A ha! He dost convict himself from his own words, for is that naught what RW is all about?"
  7. ...
  8. Profit

There are several wonderful points here I would like to point out. First, the whole idea of a "conservative psychologist" as needed to "rip apart" my ideas. This shows the total black and white nature of his thought process. The whole idea that everything must have a conservative and liberal view. That since I am a liberal I must be pushing the liberal view on dopaminergic mediation of reinforcement learning, and that there must therefore be a better conservative view. Next, that they assume my reaction to criticism would be to sue instead of engage the critic and the points they raise. And most laughable is the shear Rube Golderberg approach to the plot. Its straight out of an Acme box, convoluted, strange and obviously doomed to failure from the get go. Tmtoulouse (talk) 17:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I think step 7 is "get sentenced to a week of community service for contempt of court" isn't it? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 17:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
More Karajou genius, from 31-60/76371: "And I'm willing to bet ten bucks that says new user RonLar is Sid. RonLar also has a German IP, he appeared very soon after JacobB was booted, and his first edit? A "maths" article!" They also discuss JacobB's parthian in that post. EddyP Great King! Disaster! 17:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Shit, I'm apparently WAY late to this party and won't get around to looking at these files till "tomorrow" (read: after I wake up again since it's way late now), but... wow. I usually try to hold back, but... *facepalm* --Sid (talk) 03:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Dear... imagine if our secret stash was leaked!! Scarlet A.pngsshole 18:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I thought our secret stash was grown hydroponically by Ace? --? GremlinFale! 18:53, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Someone posted here a week or so back how most of the their machinations here had in fact all been a complete disinformation exercise. It looks like the suckers fell for it hook, line and sinker.  Lily Inspirate me. 19:37, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
You mean the Ides, perhaps? That was our high water mark. With the right kind of eyes you can still see where the water broke... ħumanUser talk:Human 03:56, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Violent Video Games[edit]

Young people can't be trusted, but in CP/211-240/764e8ad5af39568e.htm Popeye and Pratti express their love for Lara Croft and Grand Theft Auto: Vice City. Quoth the swabbie:

And if racing is in your blood, how about a beautiful woman...on a Ducati Monster motorbike...racing bad guys with one hand on the throttle and the other wielding one of her special H&K .45 longslides?

I only hope their parents are supplying adequate supervision! –SuspectedReplicant retire me 19:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Didn't Andy do an Amicus Curiae brief about video games?  Lily Inspirate me. 19:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I thought Karajou was against killing endangered species. Hurr hurr. Vulpius (talk) 19:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Yup. The brief is on our serious Andy article. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 19:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Libel and slander[edit]

From: CP/1-30/e5037a239379b6dc.htm

"The following was sent to the press liaison at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Conservapedia&diff=405... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales#How_about_a_murder...
This is a message for you and Jimbo in particular, and Wikipedia as a whole. If you will look at the above links, there is an accusation against my website, Conservapedia, which involves an individual who allegedly committed suicide after being banned from the site. This accusation is completely unfounded and false; it furthermore would have been all over the news if it were true. The second link is from user Dmcq, who states on Jimbo's talk page that it is I - and I alone - who is engaged in personal attacks, as if the slander of murder/suicide never took place. The individual who is identified as user "CTown" in the first link - the alleged suicide victim - is actually the creation of a user with the website RationalWiki, as is the individual who reverted the edit, SuperHamster ( http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/User:SuperHamster); I suspect they are one and the same.
This is slander and libel, and I'm not going to tolerate it one bit. You have a bunch of users within Wikipedia who are part of a website that has engaged in malicious attacks not only against Conservapedia, but against anyone who happens to disagree with them. These attacks have included DDoS against our servers, links to porn, the uploading of vile graphic images, attacks based on outright lies via the press and blogosphere, and now a bit of libel via Wikipedia which, for all intents and purposes, involves a dead body. Wikipedia has been in the news the past several years because of similar edits directed against people from malicious users, and this is just the latest one. Should Wikipedia stomach another scandal in the press?
I for one, am not going to wait for the silly arbitration committee to take action on this; it's going to be settled NOW. I am of the opinion that malicious edits belong to the individual who posted them, and not to Wikipedia as a whole. But Wikipedia admins need to take severe and decisive action, not only against those individuals who made the edits, but against those who support them as well. You can start by removing users Dmcq, SuperHamster, and all other individuals associated with the website RationalWiki.
Brian Macdonald
Murfreesboro, Tennessee
user Karajou"

This is a pretty impressive overreaction. Scarlet A.pngsshole 20:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

And from the press liaison, doubtless *crickets* --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Both slander and libel, is it? Let the bumfly do the lawyering, Koward. Webbtje (talk) 20:33, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
CP/211-240/c7841a1b815917eb.htm Karajou admits he knows the DDoS attacks (the only one I've seen acknowledging a DDoS attack as it happened) are from... 4Chan. Scarlet A.pngsshole 20:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Most of the vandalism over there comes from 4chan. Clearly they know this, so why the obsession with RW? ???What is it now? 20:52, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Ahh what slothful detecting skills he has. Does he not realize that DMCQ is their very own DMorris? Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 20:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I mean PCHSNJROTC. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 15:42, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
I might be wrong, but for all Karajerk's posts about 'I informed so-and-so that such-and-such did blah-blah to my blog' there's not one post reporting any feedback, or action taken. --? GremlinKhuluma! 20:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
It seems I have a better success rate than the swabbie. About 3-4 years ago on UESP we had three users from a school in Kent who kept editing from school. One was really productive and helped out a lot; the other two were real pains in the ass, and kept re-registering accounts and then adding crap all over the site. Nothing too problematic there, but they were also using the site to bully the other kid reasonably seriously and eventually I decided it had gone too far. Email duly sent, talking mainly about the bullying and less about the editing and we got a nice post from somebody claiming to be the deputy headmaster (IIRC) - it could have been too, because it was much better spelled than their typical stuff - plus posts from the other two saying they'd been "told" to write apologies for the trouble they'd caused us. Nothing else from them after that, and I get to keep use the "This user has had his sexuality questioned by vandals." userbox. :)
I suspect the difference might be in tone. My email was along the lines of "I'm writing about a problem..." whereas I imagine Popeye starts "I DEMAND that..." and goes downhill from there. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 21:03, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Holy schmoly, Karajou's email is both sad and hilarious. Not only is his theory that I am CTown on Wikipedia a completely platformless, wacko assumption (Why would I remove my own comment using another account, or even make such a comment on Wikipedia in the first place using a sockpuppet when I'm an established Wikipedia editor?), but does he honestly think that a private request for established Wikipedia users to be blocked simply because they also participate at RationalWiki would actually be taken seriously, based on the false observations of some random guy from Conservapedia? I do also like how Karajou says that "Wikipedia admins need to take severe and decisive action" by removing RationalWikians, when at least one RationalWikian is an administrator at Wikipedia. I'd like to know what reply Karajou received, if any. My guess is that the guy who was reading the email gave an odd "O_O", and then deleted it. ~SuperHamster Talk 21:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

And the unsubstantiated assertions that RW engages in cyber terrorism continue in CP\31-60\2f3b5583293e8df4.htm where Karajou seems convinced that we (especially the ones in the UK according to TK) are behind attacking PayPal in an Anonymous operation.
With the news coming out that people are now being arrested for

WikiLeaks-related cyber-attacks, I wouldn't doubt that the rats are laying lower than dirt so they wouldn't be accused of being part of it. Still, I think just ONE of those people would be stupid enough to go to one of those sites and say "Conservapedia is attacking Wikileaks; can I get your retaliation software?" ...Their idiotic website and forum may not have clues to it, but the long arm

of the law may be standing by with a shovel, ready to do some digging.
I normally don't care for CP at all, but I have put a lot of effort into writing for this place. I have a vested interest and an attachment to it (not to get all sentimental). Seeing this cunt talk like this genuinely makes me really fucking angry. Put up the evidence that RW's primary activity, as a site, is DDoS attacks on Conservapedia already.I'm sure Karajou will read this now and absolutely love how "the liberal rats are getting worked up" but you know what? I am worked up. I have quite an affinity for this site and the people who use it and I do not like one bit how its badmouthed with unsubstantiated claims. That cock needs to come over here and put up or shut up, not whine with little conspiracies in closed circles. Scarlet A.pngsshole 02:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Have you found the part where Karajou fantasizes about hiring the hacker that shut down wikileaks to shut us down? I am sure the hypocrisy never registered. Tmtoulouse (talk) 03:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you just reminded me of that one. Kowardjerk - striking out and up at random.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 03:26, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Two days after Karajou made the above post on January 4th, he made this one at CP\1-30\4a42ab3d840cccb2:

Below is the screenshot I saved from the Wikipedia page where I had it out with this "Sean Townsend." The page in question will be deleted by Jimmy Wales upon my recommendation, as this individual could not or would not answer a demand for proof by me that his allegations of "suicide" were true. Wales also personally blocked the guy's IP; I ran this IP within Conservapedia, and it came back as user "SMiller1," a sock account created in December; this account was blocked today. RW had they hands all over this, and they were exposed right in front of Wales. He was skeptical at first, but was very cooperative when he was shown evidence of what they engage in, including the masking use of proxy IPs, their cyber-bullying ways, and so on. I also told Wales that I wasn't going to tolerate going through a silly arbitration hearing, as something like this needed a decisive, immediate decision. And it worked. RW has been exposed for what they are, and what was absolutely needed in this case was for Wales himself to see it. This is now a major failure against Trent Toulouse and his gang.

Now this is odd. Karajou says that Jimbo is going to delete a certain page, and also says that Jimbo has already gone ahead and blocked the IP address. However, according to Jimbo's block log, Jimbo hasn't blocked anyone since May, and according to his deletion log, hasn't deleted anything since September. Am I missing something, or is Karajou simply lost and deluding himself to believe that Jimbo is working with him? And somehow, this all turned out to be "a major failure against Trent Toulouse and his gang". Also, considering that Karajou's original request was to have Dmcq (who, as far as I know, isn't a RationalWikian), me, and all RationalWikians removed from Wikipedia, I fail to see how he succeeded in anything whatsoever. The next day, Karajou followed up by saying:

If anyone here wishes to join in on the Wikipedia page, I would suggest that the edit be supportive of Wales, Wikipedia editors, and myself doing what we can to prevent another major scandal against Wikipedia being created by a malicious editor.

Nice to know that Karajou wants to get his gang to help him make RationalWiki look bad by kissing Jimbo's ass. ~SuperHamster Talk 04:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, what evidence? I'm sure "hey look, it's a proxy IP so it must belong to RW" might wash with Sclafly, but I doubt Jimbo Wales even cares about CP or RW or this tiny little raving lunatic sack of shit Karajou. Scarlet A.pngsshole 04:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
You're right about that. When Karajou proudly brought his "evidence" to Jimbo on Jimbo's talk page, this is all he got from Jimbo: "It's worth noting, though, that this has nothing to do with Wikipedia at all. It's a fight between Conservapedia and RationalWiki as far as I can tell." In other words, "I don't give a damn." I certainly do hope that the conversation on Jimbo's talk page that I just linked to wasn't the one that Karajou was referring to in which he proved to Jimbo that RationalWikians are all filthy, evil people, because that would just be pitiful. ~SuperHamster Talk 04:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajou's Cartoons[edit]

121-150\9e26e789aa2151bf.htm:

I'm not too concerned with the taking and/or altering of my cartoons by RW; they know they cannot do it without some sort of backlash against them...and if one of them tries to add their own name to my work and pass it off as theirs, well, they'll be explaining to a judge how I have the originals.

hehehe --Night Jaguar (talk) 20:46, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

He does like threatening lawsuits, doesn't he? No one carries a grudge quite like Karajou. ???What is it now? 20:51, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
He really does. he's at it again here. /391-420/8b5097a677b5088b.htm He's an angry, angry man. StarFish (talk) 21:07, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Like anyone besides him would want to put their names on those crappy cartoons. --Night Jaguar (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Unamerican Activities[edit]

Anger bear is charging his godspeed:

There's another thing we could do: remove on sight any new user who comes in

via RIPE in Europe, the Asia-Pacific network, and the Latin America

network. We've had nothing but trouble from those users.

(From Fab Five 121-150/e9d1b616a7a5eef4)

Well, I'm glad Africans are still allowed at CP. Everyone else who isn't a merkin can apparently suck it though. Also, I'm not entirely sure Karajou understands who RIPE are. That's the problem of giving whois to angry morons. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:13, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajou is an asshole[edit]

Yeah, that's been pretty well established from this latest batch, but this one is just stunning. From CP/181-210/f70bf25e8c40908c:

It was physics - and not God - that created the universe, according to scientist Hawking. Now, I wanted to put my question to him in this fashion on the main page, but it possibly might cause an uproar: "Stephan Hawking says God wasn't involved in creating the universe; it was physics. Well, Steve, if you know that much about the universe, then try getting out of your wheel chair!"

He also consistently misspells Hawking's name, in spite of it being in the article to which he's linked. What a classless prick. ???What is it now? 01:06, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Jeez, what a fucking arse. And I thought Kendoll's "If you're so smart, why are you fat?" was obnoxious. At least Kendoll thinks he's joking. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 01:23, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Damn. That's disgusting. Karajou must be a liberal. ~SuperHamster Talk 01:28, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Just stumbled on that one, at least Ed tells him it's out of order. Scarlet A.pngsshole 04:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
This as well: A nice Christian thought about Darwin burning in hell (1-30\c27dfc4b6d3de86a):

One side states that he died a Christian; the other states he died an...well...he's now roasting at 450 degrees since 1882. Which one is valid? Could both accounts be included?

CrundyTalk nerdy to me 10:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

This also in[edit]

Apparently water is wet. SJ Debaser 20:02, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajou again[edit]

From Fab Five/90-120/6da5feea74fd22aa, engaging in mutual self-congratulatory back-patting for "not marching in lock-step":

That's a double-darn right we don't march that way. And the trolls hate us ?for blocking their own goose-step marching. Oh well. Meanwhile, us courageous admins will endeavor to keep our steel-toed boots nicely polished after every troll removal. TK, put a mirror shine on your's...use spit!.

Alluding to his patented "liberals are fascists!" rant while proving in the very next sentence what a nice brownshirt thug he would've made...farewell, irony meter. Yup, that's first-class admin material right there, Andy. And the rest of the thread is also worth a read for their totally oblivious boasting about how individualistic and independent-minded they are. Röstigraben (talk) 10:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

RW article[edit]

From:391-420/8b5097a677b5088b

Karajou:Andy knows that I want to make an article about RW, and I think a couple here know it as well. The reason for it was supplied by Trent Toulouse himself when he blogged on Tony Sideway's page, and previously to Denyse O'Leary's; each time he defended RW as though it was a serious, scholarly, professional site that had much to contribute to mainstream science, even though what he said was in total contradiction to what is actually there.

Contrary to what he said, RW is an internet anarchist/vandalism website, and Trent is in a state of denial about it all. He denies that he is doing anything wrong to our site, yet the attacks continue against us from his. His people still boast of what they have done.

I have come to the conclusion that if a court case happens, it will be started by them. They will file the papers; they will make the complaints, and it will be based in slander and libel. Because they will be the plaintiffs, they will have to bring to a judge probable cause as to why a trial should occur. And they will also have to explain to that judge as to why they felt they had a right to do what they did to our site. I challenged AmesG to do that very thing a few weeks ago. When he demanded I stop slandering him after I made a block with his name on it, I said "If it's slander, make the most of it!"

So, here's my idea for the article...

First, we do the history of RW as we know it, how it was created and by whom.

Second, we do an analysis of what they actually accomplished as far as what their stated intention is as posted on their main page, to wit: do they refute the anti-science movement successfully? As far as I'm concerned, their pages aren't even valuable to a five-year-old, let alone anyone in main stream science. Even that idiot Richard Dawkins - who they actually contacted on his forum - won't put a link to them on his website.

Third, we describe their hostility against Conservapedia, Creation Wiki, and other websites and blogs that they do not agree with, but we do it using the First Amendment clauses on religion, speech, and assembly. We want to show the readers that they are just another whiney bunch of liberals who hate the thought of Christians and conservatives in their midst. This includes the cyber-terror tactics they admitted to.

Fourth, we get, upload, and include various RW screen shots to support our point; they cannot be links. They have restored the Flippin letter, and we can get that. But we do not tag these images as well; we do not put information as to their origin, copyright status, etc. Just the words "fair use" is all that is needed. My guess is that Trent will be in denial mode again, but will be forced to admit everything to a judge should it go to court. And if it is going to court, I think it's a good idea to have Trent and his buddies pay for everything to get the thing started. After all, why should we?

Any thoughts?

Yes, you are a deluded fucktard. - π 11:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

It's really funny to see the guy who screams "LAWSUIT!!!" and "CONSEQUENCES WILL NEVER BE THE SAME!!!" more than anybody else constantly assumes that we will sue them. He keeps insisting on how we are criminals who need to be brought to justice and how our site is some vile, evil pit where we openly plot to destroy the site because we cannot stand the truth of the Bible... and yet he just leans back and goes "Yep, they're gonna sue us... aaaaany second now... and THEN we got them!" --Sid (talk) 12:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Jesus fucking Christ he has some crazy arse ideas. From: Fab-Five/211-240/83b...

Question: Can a "cease and desist" order be filed within the cities of New York and Toronto against the law firm employing Grawert, and against McMaster University hosting Toulouse?

Really? - π 12:38, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
When did we contact Richard Dawkins? The only time we've ever been mentioned by the usual suspects has been positive. Again, the phrase "lying sack of shit" comes to mind. Scarlet A.pngsshole 19:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

PJR is a liberal[edit]

From: 331-360/285a4a5239115f3a

Although he is undoubtedly sincere, it's plain that he simply doesn't realize when his remarks about others become personal and hurtful. Like most liberals, he thinks phrases like "I'm just asking a question" or "I'm only telling the truth" can justify everything he wants to say.

Also laugh a minute funny is Ed's hypocrisy. He kicks PJR out of the group for making personal remarks about TK, his personal remarks being complaints that TK is insulting him. No punishment for TK and Ed defends himself on the grounds he said it to PJR's face. Ed come over here so I can tell you what an ugly little two-faced maggot you are to your face. - π 12:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

PJR is irrelevent, after all according to d15754bb9169d795 we're in charge of ASK:

PJR's website is under almost-full control by RW.

And it was Brian McDonald that said it, so it must be true. ASK is our summer wiki, where we go to escape the city air and relax whilst watching sunsets. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 13:04, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Let's get the facts right here. His name is Brian Macdonald - he explicitly says so in an interview with Bob Smeitana of the Nashville Tennessean in "Fab Five/181-210/88a35..." (Yes, somebody interviewed KARAJOU about the Bible Project, but apparently not TerryH?) --Sid (talk) 13:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajou takes on malware developers[edit]

It seems from CP\271-293\4bcece79792f9094 that Karajou fell for the anti-virus malware thing. Maybe he should sue them!

I just spent over 90 minutes removing the thing, and the next thing I want to do is to get a hold of people high up to hold the creators of this program accountable.
...
(step) 5. Beat the living daylights out of the &^#%(^% clowns who created it, then sue them for $100,000,000,000,000. Beat them some more.

I wonder what he's going to spend his one hundred trillion dollars on? Perhaps legal defense for his impending assault court case? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 15:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I get the impression that Karajou spends all day every day daydreaming revenge fantasies. It's sad. Very sad. ONE / TALK 16:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Like those guys who wander into the bar at opening time, and spend the rest of the day bemoaning their lot in life as they get tanked. They also tend to be mean drunks too. Sadly, I don't think Kajagoogoo has the charisma to hang out in bars. --Ψ GremlinKhuluma! 16:13, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Violation of Federal law[edit]

Apparently, creating rude usernames is now classed as a federal offense and is termed a "break in" (Fab Five\1-30\76ca184fb955e81c):

(Email to ISP) Between 4:30 and 5:01 AM eastern this morning an individual attempted a break-in of our website Conservapedia, and to do so he used your servers at Hurricane Electric as a proxy. This time, he got no further than to create user names based on vulgarity; he was thrown out before he got further.

Since this unauthorized use of your servers for this purpose constitutes a violation of Federal law, is there anything you can do about it from your end? It would be appreciated if you can.

Looks like they didn't learn their lesson from the original FBI case. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 16:05, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Lemme guess - Popeye? ONE / TALK 16:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yep.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 17:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
What lesson? They never knew a damn thing about it. Andy basically led them all down the primrose path. Karajou jibbered about the FBI nonstop but Andy didn't have the heart to tell him that nothing ever came of it. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 16:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
They constantly moan about big government, restrictions on free speech and judicial activism but then whenever someone they don't like shows up on CP, they want the full arsenal of state power deployed to bring them down. If Karajou could have his way, the NSA would monitor all of CP's incoming web traffic and immediately dispatch SWAT teams to take any suspected liberals out. His fantasies are really something to behold. Röstigraben (talk) 16:39, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Even more Kajagoogoo[edit]

CP/181-210/d15754bb9169d795.htm:

  • 'Conservative, I have read many of the RW troll edits to PJR's site; not only are they hassling him repeatedly, he's allowing it to happen with no retaliation, no punishment, no blocking.' Amazing how CP sysops still completely fail to understand how wikis work, and can't make the connection to why CP isn't successful.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 16:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I noted another sentence from the same file in the earlier PJR section, apparently we control ASK. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 16:57, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Well, it's good cover for that fact that we really run WND.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 17:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
But they obviously think CP is successful. It's hard to understand how these people can be so delusional and not get killed walking into traffic. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 19:14, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
They are suckered by Ken's SEO antics and despite the blatant clickbotting they think that pageviews are an indicator of their success. I'd like to say that CP is just an ant farm but their set-up is more like a bee colony with a handful of drones sucking round the Queen Aschlafly. Any workers that fly in are assumed to be from another colony and are summarily killed off. In real life they wouldn't be worthy of any note except that their antics are fascinating. I think that most of the parody and vandalism is really along the lines of "I wonder what would happen if I poked this stick in here? - Oh look at them run round in circles." Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 20:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The Three-way[edit]

Karajou (Fab Five/211-240/deb33d131898c01c.htm):

Three-way alliance: Conservapedia, Michael Savage, and WND

This could very-well be another half-baked idea of mine right off the top of my head, or it could be a blessing in disguise...

Suppose we did a sort of alliance with WorldNetDaily? Joseph Farah was keen to Conservapedia some months ago, but he hinted at ideas that he would like to see happen on the site; what they were I don't know, and I'm assuming he may have discussed them with Andy....

Joseph Farah is also friends with Michael Savage, and he has the third- largest conservative radio talk show in the country; a link with us to WND will definately be mentioned on the Savage show. That's a minimum of 8 million listeners a night, and they talk.

The man reminds me of Dwight from The Office. Anyway, I think CP is too crazy even for WND and Savage. --Night Jaguar (talk) 19:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I presume this was before Farah posted his "What the fuck?" review of the Conservative Bible Project? ;) --Sid (talk) 19:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Karajou for the rapture[edit]

Has this been mentioned?

Karajou: This video of the demonstrations in Egypt is pretty interesting, as well as very ominous. At the 1:17 mark something shows up in the video that could either be a reflection of a flag, an image of an individual on horseback deliberately-placed via Photoshop...of it could very well be the first appearance of the "Pale Rider", aka the Fourth Horseman of Revelation. To me, this is just more evidence - rider or not - that Jesus is coming back with the next few years.

CP/1-30/716a53263f6e3909.html 19:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC) SusanG Toast

He really is an idiot. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 21:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
"Here's a video showing the Fourth Horseman of Revelation, but even if it's not the Fourth Horseman of Revelation this video showing or not showing the Fourth Horseman of Revelation is just more evidence that Jesus is coming back." Nutty Roux (talk) 21:22, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

User: Qwest[edit]

Kajagoogoo suggests that he is blocking every user that logs in using the Qwest ISP and that they all must be my old friend "Qwest." What he doesn't realize is that Qwest serves something like 14 states (mainly red states) including some major cities (Denver, Phoenix, Salt Lake, etc). It's gratifying that my long term effect on CP is to deprive them of anyone using the Qwest network. Stile4aly (talk) 22:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)



Mock them liebruls[edit]

Now we know where the lipstick monkey originated:

"When it comes to off-beat stories involving atheists and evolutionists and anyone who believes in scientific quackery, always use photos of monkeys to illustrate; especially those that are shown in drag, in makeup, doing human things, etc. It's a subtle way of mocking their beliefs.

 Lily Inspirate me. 15:48, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

That is particularly subtle, yes. DogP (talk) 17:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Enemy Getting Wiser[edit]

True paranoia at work:

If anyone noticed, nearly all new user accounts now involve one, non-foreign, legitimate IP address that is not connected to previous trolls. The enemy is aware that we are using check-user, and removing users with provable past behavior problems.

Wonderful! "Hey guys, people are signing up who aren't on our checkuser list. But that's because the enemy know we use checkuser, not because they're genuine editors." --PsyGremlinTala! 16:00, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

OMG! It's the Pale Rider[edit]

What a bunch of uneducated halfwits - it really is fucking ludicrous what those dingdongs can get excited about. See this footage of riots in Tahrir Square? See the reflection of something behind the camera in the window, as the camera pans across the scene? r It's obviously one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse!. I mean, fucking hell, of all the assumptions you might want to jump to, that's got to take the biscuit. He's more gullible than a five year old. DogP (talk) 23:45, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Ed Poor[edit]

aka Pisspoor Ed aka Ed 'Badtouch' Poor aka The Loony Moonie

Delusional in the Ed[edit]

121-150/81551e4a86b12733.htm is a goldmine of Ed. I've added one quote to his page but another highlight is:

Why do you think the rats are always putting me down for "nothing more than quoting others"? It's not because they think I'm a crummy writer. They are *furious* with me for giving prominence to information that proves Wikipedia is biased and/or just plain wrong.

No, Ed. We're not furious, we're amused. You're a shit writer with an unhealthy fixation on little girls. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 17:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

PJR does the same thing, which makes sense, because at the heart of it, they are both really stupid people. Apparently fundamentalism/parody is just as ambiguous as rage/amusement. Occasionaluse (talk) 19:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


This never gets tired: Fab_Five/Fab Five/181-210/500ab25bba45c87f.htm:

  • '*Sigh* I wish you guys had agreed to let me be an assistant webmaster. All these problems would have melted away. You know, I used to coordinate technicians at ABC. And since leaving the corporate world, I've supported websites on three different servers. I'm the "go to" guy, when you need technical help. I find the right person to talk to; I explain the problem; I request immediate assistance; and the problem gets solved. Should I have boasted sooner or louder? I'm a shy, humble man. So I don't like to exalt myself, but Conservapedia is the target of a coordinated Denial Of Service attack, and I'd like to help. Andy, would you like to give me the authority to deal with this problem? Ed Poor.' --Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 21:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


Fab Five/241-270/d7980b7d150a4d0d.htm:

  • 'Also, WP writers are amateurish. We need not copy everything they do: only the good stuff! Ed. ' I need say no more.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 22:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)


Fab Five/301-330/16807cf73c7b86a7.htm May 5 2009, 6:23 pm

  • 'TK has pointed out the the main reason National Level conservative writers stay away is that they simply won't tolerate working conditions that include falsehood, quarreling and other such unpleasantness. If we want best-selling authors to drop in and donate their time, we must make a congenial environment. They will come, eventually, and maybe they'll even send their staff (or students). So let's get ready! Ed Poor. ' Still waiting Ed.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 23:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Jesus, they're STILL waiting for that magical influx of conservative writers? Seriously? It's been FOUR YEARS. CP once had a bunch of people willing to write articles. Then those people moved on and worked on some other site. Forgot the name... something about rats? --Sid (talk) 03:47, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Fab Five/361-390/8e7a49ea7f7eb15e.htm

  • ' Jimmy Wales only listens to VIP's. If Andy Schlafly contacts him, he might listen. He's sensitive to being embarrassed. Ed. ' Ed 'Cocksucker' Poor strikes again. In fact, a lot of the leaks tend to end with Ed rimming whatever hole is available.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 00:55, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

He even rims  K e n  D o l l  in CP\121-150\81551e4a86b12733.htm:

  • We have quality, based on our honesty and trustworthiness. We also have User:Conservative's amazing wizardry with Search Engine Optimization.

Interestingly, Googling "atheism and ponies" right now leads here rather than to CP. Has "The Selling Wizard" copied CP or is he ken? –SuspectedReplicant retire me 04:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Speaking of which from noting the link, did anyone notice that 27.2% of the poll taken would object if their daughter intended to marry an african-american? CLUEBOT to fill in all the people who claim that racism is gone. --Eira OMTG! The Goat be Praised. 06:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
"When I was at Wikipedia, I was BOLD. I tried out new things, and if it didn't work I could undo it. People in the early days really liked that. I instituted more good things there than I can remember. Perhaps I took Rev. Moon's dictum, "Give, and forget the given gift" too much to heart? Before the liberals took over there, I was one of the must trusted and respected sysops. Then those clever politicians figured out how to get rid of me. " DogP (talk) 06:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Ed on Ken[edit]

"I think he needs the attention" - FabFive/301-330/76f712... EddyP Great King! Disaster! 19:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

This Guy Knows Stuff? Must Be Liberal![edit]

This is a neat little exchange between Bad Touch and Tight Knickers from Fab Five/271-300/97386a87e8230f03.htm:

Is this guy on the level? If so, it would make the first new user in MONTHS with any substantial knowledge to share.
—Ed Poor
No doubt a liberal, and RW, but like many of them, will contribute lots until he needs to be sent packing.
—TK

CP in a nutshell. So to speak. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 08:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Wonderful. Sign on to CP to argue - you're a liberal and will be blocked. Sign on to CP to add good content - you're a liberal and will be blocked. No wonder they have no editors left. --? Gremlin話しなさい 08:44, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
The TZB era saw some discussion about some Warrior's Handbook or so (or more than one, I forgot), which basically amounted to "Parodists will act and edit like normal people. This means that anybody who acts or edits like a normal person is a parodist". I think only PJR called them out on that, but to no avail. To be fair, they're basically assuming what we also take for granted - that other than us, absolutely nobody gives a damn about CP anymore (aside from random vandalism). --Sid (talk) 11:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)



Papa Ed doesn't like kids that fight back...[edit]

So, yeah, allow me to present from this one:

When I taught Sunday School, if I saw two children abusing each other,

I rarely punished both. One "time-out" per incident is enough to get the message across: we are here to do class work, not to hurt each other. Sometimes I'd deliberately choose the "less troublesome" of the pair. I don't believe we have to get to the bottom of it; it doesn't matter who started it. I told the kids, if someone in class is hurting you, don't retaliate. Come to me if you need help.

Now I train Sunday School teachers . . .
—Ed Poor

Conclusions: No regard about objective justice. No regard about the concepts of proportional (or even reciprocal) punishment and fairness. No regard about responsibility, and that would be the case if he just picked who to punish at random. But noooo, for proper conservatives values you also have to mix a bit of sadism & cowardliness there in order to be as much as a fuckup that scews with other people's lives as possible, thus deliberately punishing the "less troublesome" one is actually a bragging point. Sen (talk) 22:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Wait a minute, aren't they liberal viewpoints? He's taking away the constitutional right of victims to defend themselves and instead is forcing them to rely on him for protection, precisely what the Nazi's did and what Obama's doing with expanding the federal government. These arguments copied from CP's article on gun control. -- Iscariot Andy Schlafly for Congress 2012! 18:47, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Following are just Amusing[edit]

Ed on CP

We, on the other hand, are America's premier on-line collaboratively written encyclopedia. We take America as the center of the world, and while we are concerned with our fellow human beings who live abroad or speak other languages, our focus is on America and we write in American English.
CP/91-120/6add1ebd4860f06b.html Ed Poor
My emphasis. 22:46, 12 February 2011 (UTC) SusanG Toast
That makes me want to just repeatedly jab my finger into my eye sockets. Never since the dawn of time has the word "premier" been so resoundingly abused. He gang-rapes the word. DogP (talk) 22:58, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Ed on Nixon & Moon

For what it's worth, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon told Richard Nixon during the Watergate Crisis (1) Do not resign, and (2) Do not withdraw from Vietnam.
I've generally found that people who listen to Rev. Moon prosper, and those who don't (um, well) tend to decline.
Ed Poor
CP/121-150/4f663de0759772ac.html
00:50, 13 February 2011 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Ed and math[edit]

From here. Ed at first goes: I think that a 760 SAT in math (in high school) qualifies me as a math expert. Followed by posting three more times, each time getting more grandiose by adding An experienced math teacher followed by Ed Poor, Substitute Math Teacher, PYE Education Center Queens, New York. Ace McAwesome 00:18, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

TK[edit]

aka Far too long to go into

TK vs. RJJensen[edit]

There's some grand stuff in the Fab 5 list with TK squaring off against RJJensen.

This email from the doc hits the nail on the head:

TK claims he is maintaining conservative orthodoxy by erasing true

information he does not like to hear. But what are TK's "orthodox" positions? Does he really have any? he never tells us--he never writes

articles, he only erases the work of people who do the writing here.

Of course, TK denies it and claims it's suspiciously like what RWians say about him. I wonder why that is... It certainly explains why RJ disappeared abruptly in early 2010. The Knife scores another one behind the scenes. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 19:12, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

In Fab Five/121-150/79543b21c409fc70.htm, I love RJJ giving TK the smackdown: "oh come on TK you're a mall cop, not an encyclopedist" & "It's a pain to see a bully who has never written any actual content try to rule an intellectual enterprise by means of a billy club and a gallon of white out." Sounds like all of CP's sysops really. I'm glad RJJ finally took the hint to leave. --? GremlinPrata! 19:18, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Yup. One of the few good, prolific writers they've had and TK took real pleasure in driving him away. RJJ has gone back to Wikipedia, where he's doing good work keeping neo-confederate bullshit off the civil war pages. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 19:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Of course TK took real pleasure in driving RJJ away, that was the plan. Just like he did with Fox, Iduan, DanH, BrianCo, HelpJazz, the aim was to stifle CP by forcing out any editor who looked like they might actually be useful to the project. The only sysop left who actually thinks that they are still trying to build an encyclopaedic resource is Karajou but he can only copy and paste from PD sources and has to many anger management issues against anyone who has a differing viewpoint. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 09:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Ultimately, the blame has to rest with Andy, for standing back and letting guys like TK get away with murder. Yet, he seems to place greater emphasis on "finding vandals" than "creating serious content." I'd love to find out just what hold TK had on Andy. I have some snooping to do. --? Gremlin話しなさい 09:48, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

TK vs. Gay Bashers Anonymous[edit]

In CP/181-210/a252107c89791fd0, TK gets very upset that everyone else is dog piling on the gays. Eventually, as all such arguments amongst "Christians" do, it devolves in to a debate over who god hates the most. You can tell when TK is angry, he starts putting "Conservative" in scare quotes. Best thread I've read so far. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 20:15, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Given that Terry Koeckritz was a not-so-closeted gay guy, it doesn't actually surprise me. Gooniepunk2010 Oi! Oi! Oi! 23:55, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Did anyone else see the one regarding the "transgendered activist"? Scarlet A.pngsshole 03:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Fuckin' Creepy[edit]

Fab Five:

  • ' TK: Hsmom appears to have recently moved..... ' followed by her change of IP address via CheckUser and nothing else.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 00:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

TK's demise[edit]

They most certainly didn't know before us CP/1-30/9ddbc42ce58246dd.htm Ace McAwesome 02:11, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

I haven't read through all of this stuff yet, but is that the sole discussion of TK's death? I can't even tell if JPratt is being sarcastic. I think we might have liked TK more than they did. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 03:15, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
\Fab Five\181-210\69407a14b05567e3.htm Discusses TK's very serious medical condition in Sept 2009. Scarlet A.pngsshole 03:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw that one as well. Makes it even creepier that the folks at CP didn't know that he was dead for so long. If someone I knew went through something like that, I think I'd be asking little questions every now and again, just to make sure that they were ok.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 03:24, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
So they knew he had a serious medical condition, and no one of them bothered to call him after more than one month of inactivity. I think Jpatt was sincere in his mail though, and that Karajou response was also sincere. I only saw Andy comment once on the case, Jpatt wanted to honor TK on the main page, and Andy said no. Thats on fab5/1-30/300d458b1c474f25. --Tlaloc (talk) 06:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
"Karajou's response was sincere." You mean the one (CP/1-30/9ddbc42ce58246dd.htm) where he says "looks like we've got some very bad news"? A very sincere comment indeed, stating that the death of a fellow human being was bad news. A really fucking heartfelt comment. SJ Debaser 20:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Bless[edit]

Fab Five/361-390/b00c22fcef528e45.htm:

I think that HsMom, Umlaut, RobertWDP, PJR and myself (Ieuan on CP at the time) really managed to piss off TK with what has to be the one solid memory I have of editing at CP, remembered solely for the lulz and the the very mild rebellion it caused on the Commandments Talk Pageimg from the Glorious 28th February 2009 to the Only-Slightly-Less-Glorious 5th March 2009. For those who don't know about it or can't remember it (which is probably everyone) 18 USC § 1030 once more reared it's ugly head and all of a sudden the game was on to bait Andy about the law and the unmentionable FBI incident, something that Umlaut and RobertWDP managed excessively well, managing to provoke TK into responding to protect Andy, who was having his arse handed to him on his refusal to explain how the law applied, and then being challenged on the law itself by PJR. In I step, to take over from Umlaut who was looking at the wrong end of the banhammer, and then me and PJR managed to completely dominate that discussion, ripping Andy's argument apart (without a peep from the great man himself, who didn't seem all that keen to go up against somebody else with actual legal knowledge), with the occasional jab by Kowardjerk to try and draw a reaction. It ended up with TK trying to archive the whole thingimg, with PJR reverting him, a whole revert war goes on, and then Hsmom steps in asking for the discussion to continue, causing TK to go into a raging hissy-fit. Brilliant.--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 02:18, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

HSMom is another classic example of a decent, hard working editor, who actually believed CP could be so much better and railed against the constant mismanagement of the site, and thus had to die. TK in particular had a huge hard-on for her, and the rest of the cowards just went with the party line: "She say something bad! Librull! Librull! Librull!"--PsyGremlinTala! 15:32, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

"True face"[edit]

CP\151-180\05d3deca51dbe19e.htm Supposedly sent from "Willminator" to TK, who promptly shares it. Karajou takes the bait.

"You may have it figured out, but you can never stop us. Let this be a warning to you: I am pro-abortion. I do support population control. I do support letting the weak die (or even helping them die). I do want to take your guns away you. I will see to it that no prayer is ever given in a public school. I will fight to destroy the institution of marriage as you know it. I will indoctrinate your children and insulate them from your religious dogma. I will fight the conservative myth of american exceptionalism. I will fight for a one world government. I will fight for gays in the military even if it weakens it. I will lie, revise history, cheat, steal and censor to further our goals. What are you going to do about it? I will stop at no end, but you have to operate within the fictional bounds of your morality. How can you win this game when I can break the rules? Give it up and get out of america while you still can because nothing will stop us. Do you think you're going to fight? Do you think we would have any problem using chemical warfare or weapons of mass destruction? Do you think we care if women and children get in the way? Face it, we will win. Liberalism and atheism will prevail. The conservative movement will be systematically dismantled and there is NOTHING you can do. Wake up to the facts. Wake up to a war that you simply cannot win."

Apparently this is taken in by all present as representative and genuine... I mean, I'm very aware Poe's Law applies on all sides of the political spectrum but, seriously, do they think this is real or are the contents of the group spiked with fake conversations (I can't think of any other reasonable explanation for this level of gullibility and paranoia) that is supposed to attract our attention? Scarlet A.pngsshole 02:59, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

And in light of CP\241-270\4a6ab2e60391979b.htm
"This can also happen to someone whose picture of the opposing position is such a grotesque caricature that it renders them unable to tell parody from reality. " (Definitely true of rat wiki, and of perhaps the bulk of evolutionist, atheist, and pro-homosexuality writers.)
—Ed
Scarlet A.pngsshole 03:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

So much for "private" discussions[edit]

Of course, any "private" conversation with TK wasn't, as can be seen from Fab Five/391-420/c4a726a041ede704.htm (more here Fab Five/391-420/514511068e1d8662.htm). Did rather enjoy Dean's "Boy, she sure is fiesty (sic), isn't she.." I did rather miss arguing with TK, it made life interesting. --? GremlinSiarad! 09:19, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

TZB Discussion[edit]

TK talks about the leak here (CP\241-270\814567755f8658ec). It's clear from Karajou's reply that TK managed to convince them that it was JessicaT who leaked the info rather than him. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 15:45, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Conservative[edit]

aka  K e n  D o l l  aka Kenservative aka Ruy Lopez aka Lumenos aka The one who gets no respect, even on Conservapedia

Poor Kendoll[edit]

Even when he's the voice of reason (only on CP could Kendoll ever be the voice of reason) he's ignored by his fellows. In CP/91-120/1bcedf3ac170522c all the sysops go nuts about how Google's veterans' day logo looks like it has an Islamic crescent in it.

Kendoll disagrees:

I think the "crescent" charge is silly. It is just the bottom of the e in the word Google. Some people have too much time on their hands.

But Ed plows straight back in with the conspiracy theories. God damn but they're fucking nuts over there. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:02, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

It blows my mind that Ken said that. Occasionaluse (talk) 21:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Wait, where does Ken say that? Occasionaluse (talk) 21:34, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
It doesn't appear in the main thread, you have to expand the quoted text from Ed's reply to see it. See below, I think TK had Kendoll in his killfile. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 21:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

 K e n  D o l l  and access to embedded videos[edit]

Fab Five/271-300/2fcb4cfddbaf9904.htm:

  • ' TK - I agree with TerryH about the video. So much valuable content is available there...but I am responding to this via Fab Five because it should be a very limited user right, perhaps just limited to the members of this group, or to just those few with the "Oversight" function. I grow queasy thinking what "Conservative" would do with that ability... '
He's totally right though, isn't he? Goat help CP if Kendoll ever had the ability to play video. Doubly so if he ever found out what to append to the URL to make them autoplay. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 23:08, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
He's right, but think of the lulz!--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

JPratt[edit]

New Users

  • I am always on the lookout for fakes, as we all are. When a user signs up with the perfect first name last initial without being told so...I smell rats.
  • I trust Andy is making Christianity interesting to those who would otherwise not touch Christian topics.

Mcmaster uni[edit]

"Is it time for a mcmaster article on CP? Only the truth." Oh yeah, that would be an interesting article, given that the only thing CP knows about it, is the alleged head-terrorist and high-priest of the Rats attends it.

DeanS[edit]

aka 'Who?'

Ahem[edit]

DeanS studied our use of the exclamation "Ahem", and used it to try to track us as he noticed me and "Other users using "ahem" on RW". In so doing, he accused a bunch of CP people who weren't me. Fab! In TZB/520/29d5b16ac477b88f.html. DogP (talk) 06:36, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

tl; dr[edit]

Was I mentioned in any interesting way? I thought not. PS, I love you. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

What? Who are you? --Idiot numbre 188 (talk) 10:28, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually human, I do seem to remember seeing you mentioned a couple of times in the Fab Five communiqués (cucumber and tomato sandwich anyone? - you'd have to know about Enid Blyton to get that joke).--Stunteddwarf Spirit of the Cherry Blossom 16:46, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
I could see things were about to kick off, so I got out of there! CrundyTalk nerdy to me 09:39, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Range Blocking[edit]

I have just been reading some of the leaked CP stuff, about how they were discussing blocking all foreign IP addresses, and Andy even boasts of blocking, if I understand what he's saying correctly, slightly under 470,000,000 IP addresses in 90 seconds. I know that a few here have been chortling themselves silly at the fact that the folk over at CP have range-blocked vast portions of the world, more or less, in order to 'block parodists', and are thus letting their own paranoia make them destroy their own project. However, as you may or may not have heard, the internet is coming close to running out of IP addresses. Most people who actually know what they're talking about agree that the best solution to this is to migrate from IPv4 to IPv6, but I think this means that those range blocks are likely to disappear. In addition, as the total available number of IP addresses will go from a little under 4.3 billion to 340 undecillion, it might be very interesting as to how CP handles that. 81.151.252.240 (talk) 20:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

"I'm a treatcherous twickster fwum Bulgawia"... is this coincidence or are they still butthurt about how they never quite managed to properly block the archiver bot? Aw, those were the times. Mountain Blue 23:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

A pale/sour apple green rider[edit]

Oh man. I've been busy elsewhere, an hence behind the times on this, but this conversation is straight awesome. Corry (talk) 06:38, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

I swear, if any Conservapedian ends up fighting off the Feds from within his barricaded compound, my money's on Kara. --Ψ GremlinFale! 07:10, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
Now that shit is scary! DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 18:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Keep hands and feet inside the car at all times[edit]

Ed: Why can't I find Andy's, Karajou's, or my talk pages?
Dean: Er... I think Andy was doing something.
Andy: (ACTUAL QUOTE) I tried something new in deleting "KevinW"'s edits: I deleted them directly from the mySQL database. To read my talk page afterwards, I had to delete it and then recreate it. There must be an easier way.
All: ...
Ed: Relational. Database. R-E-L-A-T...
MadameHardy (talk) 02:42, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

In fairness, Andy only claims to have worked as a full-time professional computer programmer for a few years, or something. Mountain Blue 02:48, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
"Relational" is the same as "relativity" which is a liberal fallacy (TM). MadameHardy (talk) 05:44, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Heh, and twice in one thread Ed Poor begs for access to the software. DeltaStarSenior SysopSpeciationspeed! 06:12, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm collecting those.  Lily Inspirate me. 11:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Was it good for you, too?[edit]

Tim resigns, Andy ripostes:

AS: "Conservapedia, like a gym, is there for your benefit. You don't seem to be getting much out of it, based on your posting. But that's not because the gym is broken. I get something new out of Conservapedia every day. Joaquin posted on my talk page yesterday, "Thank you so much for this magnificent opportunity that you have given to all of us." "

MadameHardy (talk) 03:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

OMG the sky is falling![edit]

Note that there is absolutely no mention of Conservapedia in the RW thread below.
Clickbot (talk) 03:11, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Shit I remember this - it was some halfbaked scheme of Humans to freak out people on RW and had nothing to do with CP. Brilliant. Ace of Spades 06:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Lol, do I get a gold star, or a purple pimpernel, or something? This place used to be so much fun, scaring the natives was just a side line. ħumanUser talk:Human 08:36, 5 March 2011 (UTC)
Talk about rampant paranoia. As if we'd discuss such matters openly. That's what the soopah-seekrit Google group is for... --PsyGremlin말하십시오 11:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Btw Clickbot, all those wonderful refs you added - they're wrong - take you to "Rat page view bot targets" not the relevant talk below. --PsyGremlinSermā! 11:33, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
Fixed. --PsyGremlin話しなさい 11:40, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
That's incredible. So someone starts a discussion about some secret project using PHP and all the CP sysops start foaming at the mouth. Astounding! CrundyTalk nerdy to me 10:43, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
"A good chunk of vandal members are Brits, EU states, and their admins are S.Africa, New Zealand, and of course Canada" - Oh yes, those nasty Canucks always have it in for the US!  Lily Inspirate me. 12:19, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
It's just another symptom of their crushing persecution complex - 'Look! The whole world is against us? Why does everybody hate us?" --PsyGremlinSprich! 12:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
I remember the very phone call in which Huw and I hatched the Ides of October plan. Make some obscure computery references with a slightly siister overtone and wait to see who wants to have fun. Purrrrfect. Oh and WTF Rob?! Do you really get off on pot stirring so much that you'd ratchet up the paranoia of a raging paranoiac like Karaturd by claiming your RW password was stolen? Come on, man. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 13:22, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Operation Undercover[edit]

Keep it still, but the php is loaded and works. The "cover" html is running as expected. ħumanUser talk:Human 05:47, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

I'll email you about what my guy is doing with the code. But this is very exciting. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 05:56, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Very good, it looks like it is all coming together. Got a few stragglers and new helpers, but that's all good. ħumanUser talk:Human 06:02, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
Ooh, ooh, I can code PHP, can I play? Please? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 20:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I can get a good swing with a golf club, can I play? Cubic educated Hoover! 21:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Great, you're both in! ħumanUser talk:Human 21:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Are you familiar with the meaning of the word "security"?--BobNot Jim 21:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Just get everyone doing whatever you're doing to promise they aren't TK. Broccoli 22:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Hu check out the private area where I've posted an interesting workaround to the MediaWiki problem. It looks promising. Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 23:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I will. I hope it will work, it would be nice to have full use of that exploit. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Cloak = dagger. AceMcWicked 23:04, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Human, the brute force dictionary exploit WORKS. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 23:07, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I've a couple of spare machines which are largely idle whan I'm at work so you could offload the workload onto them. However they do share a 20Mb uncontested broadband pipe. Is the bandwidth the limiting factor or the processing power? Redchuck.gif ГенгисGum disease 23:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I think it might ending up being a problem - the dictionary is astonishingly large and is located on another machine so I'm taxing my connection up and down. Let me experiment with getting the dictionary local. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 23:33, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Did you get my email Hu? I sent it from the hotmail address I set-up for this purpose. AceMcWicked 00:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Ace, yes, your suggestion is superb. I'll try to run a beta version of it on some random wiki that no one loves in the next day or two. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:45, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

RS: Anyone know anything about the brute force dictionary? RW has a team ready, some with several spare terminals, ready to begin a brute force attack.

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Human#Operation_Undercover [2]

BM: http://www.governmentsecurity.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=8342

http://www.brothersoft.com/pdf-password-cracker-ent-261083.html
Bad news here...it's a passwrod cracking device that uses "brute force", which in our case will compromise every password available.
If you notice the RW posting on tailoring the program to MediaWiki use, which means they now are going to seize control of Conservapedia.
I suggest shutting down access to the site and the servers for the time being. [3]

GP: Just backup the site on a separate machine and alert the webhost. A brute force attack is hacking and would be grounds for FBI intervention [4]

BM : Just in case they want to hide the evidence...it's saved and uploaded. [5]

BM: http://www.mcmaster.ca/univsec/contactus.cfmr

This FBI thing will go nowhere unless we force the issue. I suggest we send a threat of legal action against certain officials at the above link, telling them that they will be held legally and criminally responsible for the acts against Conservapedia by their "student" Trent Toulouse. [6]

JP: It may be time to cut off foreign edits. Sorry Geoffry, we'll keep you Justine and few contributors but from a security standpoint it makes sense. A good chunk of vandal members are Brits, EU states, and their admins are S.Africa, New Zealand, and of course Canada to name a few. If you prevent editing you just may throw a monkey wrench in their schemes.

God is on our side, who can be against us? [7]

RS: What if the attack is aimed at key Sysops e-mail accounts? [8]

TH: Well, I defy them to get my e-mail account. Its password has thirteen characters, including letters, numerals, and punctuation marks, chosen totally at random. And worse yet for any enemy, it's not the same as my password for CP or anyplace else. [9]

JP : Is it time for a mcmaster article on CP? Only the truth. [10]

BM: From the looks of it, the user who's concocted the scheme and is about to make the first "test" is Human. What we could do is to keep an eye out for the website subject to this "test", find out what happened, when it happened, and notify the administrator of the site just who did it. [11]

PB3: Just ran a fresh backup to a separate location. [12]

TH: Have you any advice for me, in my role as senior administrator and developer of CreationWiki?

For everyone's information, we have a comprehensive backup program in place, that runs a backup every single day, at 1:30 a.m. Pacific Time.
But: should I encourage my fellow administrators to get hard, random passwords like the one I use?
Should I log in under secure-shell access and download the latest backups to my own machine? [13]

BM: How about making it a rule for all sysops on up, to have a secure password. Couldn't hurt! [14]

GP: I'm going to change mine shortly. Lets see them use a dictionary to crack a password composed of a nonexistent word or 6. :D [15]

GP: I don't really see how cutting off foreign edits will help. There is nothing that these overgrown children can do that will harm CP. Worst case, we just reload from backup and call it a day. [16]

PB3: Terry,

I would suggest that you (and all persons with any sort of authority) change their password to something random, and change it frequently (every month or so).
I use this website to generate a strong, completely random password when I need one - http://www.pctools.com/guides/password/
This is considered standard procedure in the IT world because it is the easiest (and fastest) way to increase security. [17]

RS: Get ready. It appears my password has been stolen from my RationalWiki account. I thought I had a pretty strong 16 character code with both upper and lower case letters, numbers, and symbols. It was stolen in a about one day. [18]

BM: Anyone logging in to RW and setting up an account has to realize that the password their has been compromised already; we have to assume that Trent has access to all of them and has probably shared them with his cronies like a carcass is with buzzards. [19]

TK: Exactly so, and he can also change them at will and lock users out, then switch them back. [20]

AS: Just changed my password to something that is virtually unbreakable.

Thanks for the intelligence.
In Christ,
Andy [21]

BM: I changed mine too; I don't like it - too complicated - but I know it'll work. [22]

EP: When I signed up at Rat Wiki, I used 'edpoor' as my password there.[23]

That is not my CP password. [24]

EP: Perhaps we could program the system to:

(a) Record the IP of every attempt to log in.
(b) Cut off that IP's access after a certain number of failed login attempts [25]

TH: Just so everyone knows:

I never use the same password twice, and certainly not at Wiki projects.
Every password that I have ever used to create an account at a Wiki project is unique to that project and that account.
So even if Trent Toulouse thinks he can pull some monkeyshines by using the passwords I used to create (thus far inactive) accounts on RationalWiki, it wouldn't do him any good. He's not going to be able to use the password I created at RationalWiki in order to log in to CP or CW or even to Wikipedia, BugZilla, etc.
Frankly, I'm surprised that he can get away with this. Does his being in Canada grant him some kind of diplomatic immunity? How does such activity square with international law? That is, what treaties might he be breaking? [26]

PB3: When I signed up for RW, I set my poassword as "nicetry" haha. [27]

BM: I never signed up there, except that one time when I went looking for their site back when it was hidden in 2007.

It's the principle of the thing. It's the difference between diving in the pool versus diving in the dumpster. [28]

RS: Do we have a contingency plan? In the event of a widespread and simultaneous hacking attack, where would we meet up? I'm assuming they may try to hack our e-mails first to disrupt our private communications, then go after the main server. How would we maintain communication with each other? [29]

BM: I'll get a new group created immediately, and I will get that info to Andy.

Give Andy your phone numbers as well. [30]

Footnotes[edit]

  1. pro-aborts flying circles around pro-lifers in court
  2. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  3. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  4. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  5. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  6. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  7. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  8. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  9. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:44 AM
  10. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 7:45 PM
  11. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM
  12. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 9:55 PM
  13. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM
  14. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM
  15. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:46 AM
  16. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 2:48 AM
  17. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 4:19 AM
  18. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 11:23 PM
  19. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:50 AM
  20. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 9:29 AM
  21. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:38 PM
  22. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 6:58 PM
  23. It's been changed since, don't bother.
  24. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Tue, Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:15 PM
  25. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:17 PM
  26. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Oct 30, 2009 at 7:24 PM
  27. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:19 PM
  28. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM
  29. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:41 AM
  30. ZB2: brute force dictionary - Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:52 AM