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Do we really need more sysops? look at our user list. We have a 27% sysop density here at RationalWiki. Currently we experience no vandalism of any kind an there are almost no other administrative duties. Having a high percentage of administrators is bad for a wiki because instead of a single community where a few members have extra tools it divides the Wiki into two opposing camps, with one acting as bully towards the other. Do we want to become like Conservapedia where you have to be a sysop to be somebody? -Icewedge 13:19, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

When you put it that way, it makes sense, but I don't have control over who is and isn't. I think we need more pages first anyway. Flippin^;-) 13:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes agreed. We need more pages. The fact that people are already clamoring for sysop ship when we have about a one to one sysop to page ration is ridiculous. Lets see people contribute constructively for a while before they even think about administrative duties. -Icewedge 13:29, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

TK could be a special case. I would vote for postponing Sysop appointments until there are more users/vandals to make it necessary. Doesn't mean either TK or HG can't be first in the queue (if TK's appointment is postponed. that's postponed, not cancelled). Airdish 13:35, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Seems like more than one person has been made a Sysop, since the posts here, without this so-called mandatory community discussion. I am not trying to stir the pot, but is this really fair? Hoji is made a Sysop, is blocking our members at CP, like Wikinterpreter, who I unblocked. So, me, discussion is mandatory, and HeartOfGold too. Is this really what you are all about? This is your fairness? --TK_/MyTalk 04:37, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

NO! THIS ! IS ! SPARTAAAAA!!! Sorry, I just have to say it. I do think TK would be a more worthy sysop than Hoji (good to get multiple viewpoints!), but one thing I'd remind you of is this: have a look at the protected pages and the block log. All but two of the blocks are either sysops mucking around, or Bohdan. All I can say, TK, is that you're not missing a great deal. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!} 18:56, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

• Thanks for that, Wiki. Of course if one could check the pages deleted from the DB, another story would emerge, no? All that was on my mind, originally, was trying to get another POV. I posted below today, what my motives were. Now that I have learned this place really isn't different than any other site, and the Admins here do exactly the same things that they accused Admins at CP doing, I am a bit disillusioned. The only real difference is, what they say it is. The talk the talk, but have never walked the walk, and as I have already said, this page is proof. They won't promote me or anyone because of their personal dislike, and use technicalities and plain lies to cover it up. And, one might ask, "Where are the big guns?" They are strangely quiet and missing in all of this. At least Andy posts, balls out. And please save me the bullshit about the "community" deciding here. Where was the vote on the last three people promoted? Maybe a wiki glitch? ROFLMFAO! I'd at least have some respect if they told the truth: They want to screw with Conservatives and CP Admins here because they felt they were screwed with at CP. Not very high-minded, but at least understandable. --TK_/MyTalk 20:00, 1 June 2007 (CDT)
  • "Promote" you? PROMOTE you? If you call it that, for what? There is a reason this site is exactly like all others, sir. And I'll go get the link... as soon as switch over from Peter B. to Mad Mike Malloy ... Ah, here it is. A clean slate doesn't help much if you have a dirty mind. human^{be in} 20:10, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

• Hahaha! From a man who deletes items here, hides them, endorses the wholesale removal of items from users talk pages, and refuses the same rights to others? Get yourself a sense of honor and fairness. You, sir, are the bully. --TK_/MyTalk 20:19, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

"Wherever you go, there you are". PS, got diff links on any of your four accusations? human^{be in} 20:42, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

• You know human, they have lots of products on the market for that chem imbalance of yours.....--TK_/MyTalk 07:43, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

• Don't feed the Troll --Kels 11:03, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

TK - so that Rationalwiki doesn't spend the next eternity discussing your sysopship, here's an offer. I'll give you my sysopship, for one week, and we'll see how it goes. We'll see if you would be a good sysop, and you'll see how little there is to do in the job. It won't increase the number of sysops, and if there is MASSIVE DAMAGE as a result of this, it'll be temporary. The option was open for ♥ o' Gold, so let's give TK benefit of the doubt. If he proves himself worthy, then great, he's happy, if he doesn't, we'll be vindicated in taking ... steps. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

That was truly a very nice gesture, Wikinterpreter! But I wouldn't feel right. How about I take the missing Hoji's wrongfully allotted slot, how's that? There isn't jack-shit a sysop can do that cannot be undone. However given the constant shit unHuman deals out, I wouldn't stand a chance if you made me a Bureaucrat for a month, and I never logged in once. I never asked this to be discussed forever. Or at all. Blame Flippin for putting it to a vote and discussion. I have, in unblocking you (twice now) and several others, including ColinR, more than proved my willingness to meet (almost) everyone here more than half way. RW is starting to remind me of Air America, and reflect its great management. --TK_/MyTalk 18:23, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Sorry, we don't have management, we have mobocracy. You can find more stringent management elsewhere.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 18:27, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Get off it, and go fuck a goat, Doc. Someone makes people sysops and bureaucrats, someone, certainly not the members, decided to promote Hoji. Someone decides what rules to adopt, what rule proposals to delete, pages to blank from the DB. No votes on any of those, lol. Perhaps some B-12 for you is in Order? BTW, how's your weekend going? --TK_/MyTalk 18:37, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Don't feed the Troll --Kels 18:48, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

• Nice way to get people to actually come here and stay, Kels. If you hadn't noticed, people are leaving, and without other voices that you hate, that will continue. It is no coincidence that the page with the most views is mine. They didn't come from the very few real members here, even accounting for their several sock members as well. Real people, coming here, and reading this shit will leave. You can delude yourself all you want, but for RW to survive and grow, many of the members here actually have to change their ways. --TK_/MyTalk 18:54, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

• • I hereby move to end this discussion, on two grounds: "go fuck a goat" and "I never asked this to be discussed forever. Or at all." Movement, if seconded and acclaimed, will cause all discussion here of TK's bid for sysop demotion to be archived and dropped. PS, since I wasn't involved, you will be blocked for another minute for complete rudeness to another editor. human^{be in} 20:02, 2 June 2007 (CDT)
    • Seconded. --Kels 20:08, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

• Sorry sub-human, you were among those earlier telling me I didn't have a choice to have this discussed. You are truly just an asshole...a would be dictator worse, far worse, than anything or anybody at CP. Now enjoy your scant page hits without me, as I just sit back and laugh. --TK_/MyTalk 00:16, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Shorter TK: Pay attention to MEEEEEEEEEE!!! --Kels 08:19, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Im sorry, I just can't get offended by goat fucking

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goat-fucking

DocSock 12:45, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

DocSock, you're pathetic. I could do a much better photoshop job. See Xerxes. GodlessLiberal 14:44, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

PalMD

Nomination: Active user, totally "gets" the site and its goals, would benefit him and the site for him to have "delete" and "block" buttons. I'd like to see him on the "management" team. human^{be in} 14:55, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

PalMD support

yeah, what human said --jtl^talk 17:05, 5 July 2007 (CDT) Go for it! -- Stevo (talk) 17:53, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Stevo

Nomination: New but very active and proficient user, "gets" the site and its goals, and I think it would benefit him and the site for him to have "delete" and "block" buttons. It would help him greatly in the housekeeping work he has already thrown himself into wholeheartedly. I'd like to see him demoted to sysop, to reduce my workload. human^{be in} 14:57, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Stevo support

and again what human said. --jtl^talk 17:06, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the nomination and support, I'm not sure I really deserve this demotion but having the sysop tools certainly would be handy. And I wouldn't have to keep asking others to delete things. -- Stevo (talk) 17:12, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

Demote him now!!!! _liessmoke^mirrors 17:15, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

It would be helpful to demote him. Would save a lot of steps.--PalMD^-Goatspeed! 17:24, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

If I can figure out how, I'll go do it now. Further comment is still welcome, of course, since I am acting precipitously. (if you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate!) human^{be in} 17:28, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

TK

TK Support

Sure, why not? Cracker 10:01, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes...Airdish 10:13, 24 May 2007 (CDT)Airdish 14:56, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

(cautious) yes Flippin^;-) 10:14, 24 May 2007 (CDT) Flippin^;-) 15:01, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Can't see why not, clean slate and all that. Trashbat 10:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Yup. Wikinterpreter^woo!

Hell yeah! olliegrind 10:28, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Stranger things have happened! Jrssr5 10:29, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Although, I wouldn't mind seeing my block at CP going away ... Jrssr5 20:12, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Can think of no reason why not. I may or may not agree with his view but reasonable men can work together! Mad Min 13:16, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I ask you why do we even need more sysops in the first place and why do we have new users with no good mainspace contributions running for administrative power. -Icewedge 13:32, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

He gets really beat up on, and I feel this would be an nice gesture. I know he's sometimes (well, okay, a lot of the time :)) misguided, but he's a good guy overall. He would, however, have to recognize the hierarchal superiority of the tech directors ;). ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 22:19, 24 May 2007 (CDT) (Linus, thanks! For real, you are mostly superior to me in all ways, but I will deny it if asked. ;-) )

TK Oppose

Not until he lifts the ban he imposed on one of my CP socks or at least responds to an email to tell me why he did it.--CatWatcher 10:12, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

1.It's obvious the reference was to active members. 2. Almost all his activities here so far have been relentlessly negative. 3. I'd like to see him respond to the questions I left on his talk page including his objectives, and his feeling about our purpose which includes, "Refuting and analyzing the anti-science movement, ideas and people."--Bob_M (talk) 10:32, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

This site is going to be based on the free exchange of ideas and debating crackpot theories. Over the last couple days, TK has shown that his argumentative abilities are on par with a 12 year old. Providing him with any authority will therefore detract from the legitimacy of this site. No. --Huey gunna getcha 10:51, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

For now. If I see constructive content production (whether I agree with it or not), and when I see discussions on his talk page not degenerating into food fights, which at the same time means seeing at least several weeks of activity without belligerence on his part, I will consider changing my vote. So far it's based on about two days of observation, and when it makes me wince to read most of what someone writes, I don't see why they would "need" extra buttons. The user seems to want power, not resoonsibility. The user demands people not talk to him on his talk page. So far it's only a proposed guideline, but user talk pages are for community discussion and the content is "public". I'm sorry if this seems harsh, but they are my observations. I don't know about others, but I earned my responsibility by working on the transition from 1.0 to 2.0 (I know others did), and by making myself useful after the transition. I also only expect to hold such responsibility as long as I continue to meet those standards. human^{be in} 12:33, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Name calling/personal attacks [1] human^{be in} 12:02, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Just a quick heads-up that I changed the URL in your post. It pointed to DocSock's edit and not to TK's. If you wanted to point at the entire discussion, feel free to revert without comment. I just edited it to give the (in my eyes) more intuitive result. --Sid 12:39, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh, great, thanks for the heads up. Yeah, I was just using the diff I looked at. Clumsy of me! I think I also mentioned it on TK's talk page where he complained about personal attacks on himself. Thanks again for fixing it, and for letting me know! humanbe in 12:47, 1 June 2007 (CDT) Retrieved from "http://www.rationalwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Human"

• So, by letting Hoji be a Sysop, when in point of fact he denies ever being a member before, you have violated your word. If he was a member, let's see him post here, or on his page, he was. He says you spoofed him. --TK_/MyTalk 17:22, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

TK, when quoting, it's only polite to either not add formatting or to say that the emphasis is yours. I also don't know why you bothered to (1) paste it in the first place (I gave my reasoning in the Edit History here, too) and (2) afterwards undo the change. I'll leave it in since it doesn't hurt, but I reverted your reversion and removed your uncommented emphasis in my post. If you got a problem, say so loud and clear. --Sid 17:42, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Addition: Regarding your selective bolding of me saying that the other diff is more intuitive, I've got to say that the post is in the "TK Oppose" section and mentions name-calling and personal attacks. In that context, your post ("No, unHuman..just you being he asshole you have always been....a two faced prick.") is indeed the more intuitive thing, and Human agreed. --Sid 17:47, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

And everyone, check the edit history here. What I see is Sid "helping" Human direct the link to something more damaging. However, what they point to is, that they are allowed to edit and delete things from their talk pages, while I was told by Human, Trent and others that was forbidden here. So, again it is proven that some of the Sysops and Bureaucrats here do exactly what they complain sysops other places are doing, and they do things they deny other members here the right to do. Interesting. Not! --TK_/MyTalk 17:45, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Hiya TK. What I did is followed a change link to a page I was watching. Turns out, on that page, responding to a section I created and made a comment in, you called me some names (ow, I am so injured). So I just used that diff link to reference it. The fact that it was two diffs later is irrelevant, but might lead to confusion as to what I was talking about. So Sid fixed the link to the exact edit I meant, and told me on my talk page, where I resonded to him, as quoted above. If you want we can list both links? The first one and the "oops, this is the exact diff" one? Anyway, I don't know about Sid, but I haven't edited or deleted anything from my talk page (you're tripping?). human^{be in} 19:21, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

Ah, I missed you replying here. Like I said above: This is about what YOU said. This is the "TK Oppose" section, so I figured that the link right after "Name calling/personal attacks" was meant to point at the edit where you engaged in, well, name calling and personal attacks (as opposed to the reply to your edit). Turns out I was right. It's not a big deal: Human's reply shows that I did exactly what he meant to do.

You're pushing the letter of the "law" to the extreme here. Let me tell you: It's annoying. Let me also tell you: Unlike CP, this is a community. Even if you were made sysop, nobody here would show more respect. It wouldn't change your edit history (which is filled with you complaining and/or trying to gain power by exploiting pseudo-loopholes). You would gain NOTHING. I honestly suggest you stop for a moment and consider a change of pace. This place is meant for constructive discussion and hanging out peacefully. So far, I don't recall you doing either. Any horribly mean thing we say in your eyes is just a direct reaction to your remarks or actions on CP or RW. If you want those remarks to stop, tune down the attitude. Take a look at what people here criticize and why. Action and reaction.

Shake off the mindset that we're here to harm or attack. Stop interpreting so terribly much into everything we do. It will get you nowhere. RW is just plain RW. It was founded by people who got kicked out of CP for being too liberal or too fair in science issues, and it evolved into a general hang-out zone. I'm sorry, but your Evil Cabal is in another castle. --Sid 18:11, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

• Except, Sid, the rules here actually say I cannot be "attacked" or held accountable for something somewhere else, don't they? Yet they are only selectively enforced. My asking for Sysop, based upon a technicality, exactly what you and others who are Admins here did at other places. That record is very clear and accessible. And please, I don't expect any power or auto respect, and you and others implying that is disingenuous. What I expected was what I was promised by your Founder, ColinR; a clean slate, no attacks for actions somewhere else. If you continue to be honest, Sid, I think you will agree with what Colin has already told me, I didn't get it. Which is what lead him to make a rule and post it on the main page for all of you to see. He did it while chatting with me about the "problem". You don't address the fact that your sysops and bureaucrats have and are routinely deleting things from their public talk pages, something I was warned not to do by Trent and Human. So, like you said; Action and reaction. If your members had followed the rules, there would have been no reaction.
• Your last sentence, is laughable. There are at least a hundred pages here, or were before being removed, about attacking and vandalizing another cite, and still much here of people admitting it. Please, I understand more than most you and others wanting this place to change, and agree. All I wanted was to be a part of that. You and others allowed past actions to color your opinion, and I have already said I had some of those lumps coming to me, and was prepared to take them. Just not the continual pounding, even to this day, about shit from another site, and you and other Admins here do nothing about enforcing your rules about it. Even this page is a mockery and lie, given the promotion of others to Sysop in the past month (week), without discussion or community involvement. Congratulations to all Admins here! You have become what you claim to hate. --TK_/MyTalk 19:37, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

"You don't address the fact that your sysops and bureaucrats have and are routinely deleting things from their public talk pages" -- pointers, please? I've only noticed one other user doing that, and in that case I archived for him. But if I missed something, please let me know. --jtl^talk 19:41, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

• Using the asterisk for emphasis and to ruin the formatting. TK, you claim, "the rules here actually say I cannot be "attacked" or held accountable for something somewhere else" when you actually changed my altering of the note on the front page to say that! I changed it from "the past" to "activities elsewhere". You reverted my edit - and removed the all important link to Helena Bonham Carter! human^{be in} 19:51, 1 June 2007 (CDT)

As someone who has had moderation experience in the past, there are a number of things I want to see in a Sysop:

• Trustworthiness
• Reliability
• Good conflict resolution abilities
• Good ability with the tools at hand (in this case, the wiki system)
• Flexibility
• Ability not to take criticism or even insults personally

Having watched a good part of TK's activities in the past couple of days since RW 2.0 started up, I have yet to see any of those qualities. Questions about his positive traits have resulted in attacks, a high level of defensiveness and avoidance of the question, sometimes generating conflict where none existed. I would strongly oppose this member as Sysop, unless he were able to demonstrate a high level in most, if not all, of those qualities. However, to date he has shown more interest in insulting users, demonstrating abrasiveness, and pursuing status, rather than actually contributing to RW in any positive way. --Kels 13:46, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Given that this and this I'm changing to no, for now. I know it's something that's happened on another site but it was a direct result of User:Kels editing while not logged in here. I'm not going to comment on the exact timeline but it's enough to change my mind. Airdish 14:55, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

After deliberating and listening to both sides--I agree with Airdish. Flippin^;-) 15:02, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Although I favor TK as an important user on this site, I currently oppose him as a sysop. I'd like to wait until this site is ramped up a bit before making any new sysops at all... -AmesG 22:07, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I would prefer to keep TK as far away from power as possible. He may not be able to resist blocking people, as he has shown on CP with his many baseless blocks. Həlios^{-speak to me!} 02:03, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

TK Comments

... But, if he is made Sysop and behaves the same way we have all seen him (I said if - I am taking him at his word that he was just obeying the rules in cp) then I can see his Sysopship being revoked quick-smart. Then RW could be accused of banning alternative opinions. If we say no then RW is breaking it's rules (though I think it's purely on a technicality that he should be made Sysop, in my opinion he was not a "member" in any constructive or honest sense of the word). It's rock and hard-place time IMO, folks. Airdish 10:15, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks Air, I agree, this one makes me a little uncomfortable, but in order to not be hypocrites, I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt. But just barely, IMHO. I know we can't right now, but it would be nice if we could put him on a kind of probation, but I expect with all eyes on him he will feel a higher standard than some of us to perform. so, I think we have to, but I'm a little worried. Flippin^;-) 10:18, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

If we let him in, then we are showing that we are better than CP - I can't imagine a similar discussion there, can you? --Wikinterpreter^woo!

Even I can't disagree with that, and in any case, in order for him to rescind my ban, I would have to tell him who my sock was, and he might just start looking at some of my sock's edits. Now I wouldn't want that, would I? :P --CatWatcher 10:26, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Might I suggest that he contribute one or two rational articles to show good faith?--Bob_M (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I wouldn't be in favour of that: It would make him seem like he had to justify his Sysop status. Airdish 10:44, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

And that would be a bad idea because ...--Bob_M (talk) 10:48, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

...because he - technically - was on RW1 and if that means he should be given Sysopage on RW2 then it should be given to him. As I've said before I'm not sure it's a good thing but "clean slate" and all that. Not trying to pick a fight, just getting my opinions straight :-) Airdish 10:51, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I really feel like I coming over to Airdish's side on this. He ought to be given it, but I know he'll be watched very closely for a while. Emotionally, I feel like Bob above -- he has been relentlessly negative and I would look forward to that changing. Flippin^;-) 11:03, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Ok, so, given this, there's more to be thought on. I don't know exactly what was said about RW1 members. I'm not changing my position, but I just don't know.Airdish 11:16, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, I don't remember the discussion that well. But first off there was a jokey off-the-cuff remark by somebody to the effect that everybody would be sysops automatically. Later though there there was some sort of qualification to that statement I think. Subsequently the allocation of posts firmed up somewhat when the site opened. It's not that black and white.--Bob_M (talk) 11:48, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

The RW1 membership issue is not a "rule" to "game". Colin offered sysopship to members of the cabal, which essentially but not absolutely meant the people who had come to RW1 and participated. I don't remember a user called TK anywhere on RW1 (or anywhere else, for that matter) who seemed to be even a fringe member of the cabal. (There was, and is, no cabal). human^{be in} 12:37, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

• Odd then that Colin told me, just last night, he would consider and think about my request, and speak to "the others". He didn't think I was gaming, but maybe he hadn't gotten the talking points from Kel yet. Yes, it was Kel who originally posted on my page that red herring. And I see all the usual suspects have picked it up. Including Trent. Are you ever kind, or nice? At least Colin and a few others doesn't greet my every post with suspicion and nastiness. I was user len. And for God's sake, spare me another post saying you didn't intend, you didnt mean, etc. Its pretty clear what you mean, (un)Human. --TK _/MyTalk 12:54, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I welcomed you with open arms to this site. Have some fun. have some pizza. We have pizza! It's "InHuman" by the way. human^{be in} 14:19, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

• Look, take this to Colin and Trent then. On their pages. I have made this a public debate, as you wanted. You have gathered a number of votes--several from people who can't stand your tone. Now, take this up with the bureaucrats. If we were on CP I would say, this is Andy's issue--not Airdish, Bob, Ames, Me or anyone else's at the moment. Flippin^;-) 12:59, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

• Excuse me? I asked you not to make a poll, and to take it down before anyone ever voted! I made a request. Others invaded my talk page to insult me. I never once asked for that. --TK _/MyTalk 13:11, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Apparently the mob has made a policy that is someone requests sysopism, it gets discussed like this. You requested, on your talk page, so this happened. human^{be in} 14:19, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

TK, I hope you realize that a significant portion of your entries are nothing but bitching and moaning. Perhaps we should call you a whambulance. --Huey gunna getcha 14:54, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Archive

hall we archive TK's poll since he doesn't want it? Tmtoulouse 13:52, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I think we should let it roll till it stops by itself. --Bob_M (talk) 15:57, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I think, if he wants to withdraw his request to be one (for now), yes, archive immediately. If he still wants to be one, well, this seems to be how the mob has decided to discuss that sort of request. Oh, and if "someone" decides to make him one, for some reason of humor or masochism, then it should be archived, also. human^{be in} 16:09, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Hi, just jumping in here. This seemed to be the best way to address his interest in being a sysop, per our guidelines (e.g. letting the mob decide). I did not make it to be mean, I thought it was in line with his interest. Flippin^;-) 16:13, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I asked for what Colin promised all members of 1.0. Contrary to Trent's misleading posts, there were no conditions, except maybe ones in his head. Under that promise, there was no vote or other conditions. I didn't want a poll, knew what would happen with one. I have posted I thought Flippin was only doing what he thought "right", and no good intention ever goes unpunished, right? Trent you are filled with hate and bias, and your heart is cold, no soup for you! Nothing that happened here was my "fault" except my breathing. You never once tried to stop the gang rape, and when you did show up, to keep your popularity, you took the safe road and bitched me out. Cool for you. You should take down what Colin put on the main page. You guys won't support that. There is even a fucking page here comparing CP Sysops and me to Nazi's! If any of you are so moronic as to not realize how morally and intellectually wrong it is to equate people you disagree with as mass murders, I pity you. My family was Catholic from Austria. Many were gassed by the Nazi's. Thanks to you who tried. Maybe in a month or two, the haters will have found newer, greener pastures. If the rules permit, please lock my talk until I think it safe to come back. Otherwise, leave it open for the haters. --TK _/MyTalk 22:50, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I was just at that page, the actions at CP were compared to fascism. You conflate that with the Holocaust, don't link, and as a result of that, you lie. Don't make me ban you for another minute, that would be ugly. Yes! That's a threat. You can now feel free to say on other pages that sysops are threatening you for speaking your mind. human^{be in} 23:27, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

TK, although I do welcome you here, I do think you came here with a mindset as strongly as the one you accuse us of. Case in point, you were very quick to jump down HeartOfGold's throat... without cause. Also, you misconstrue Trent's promise: he made that promise to a select group of users, specifically the "Cabal" that opposed CP. Categorically, you were not one of them. Except in name only. But unlike a lot on CP, we are not textualists here, but look to the spirit of the law. Sorry dude :-( but your point was not proven... -AmesG 22:57, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Up to you, Ames. I am looking at it now. It has no contextual subtleties to it. It doesn't say "active members of the cabal, or this wiki" or anything else. It merely says all members here now, will be sysop'd if they request it. While I understand, and have already admitted I was joshing about it with Colin, the truth is, there were no posted "conditions" whatsoever. If there were, they were in your head, or Trent's. I never jumped down HOG's throat, either. He was very disingenuous in IM's and his emails to other sysops at CP. Wanna see them? You will live and learn with him here. We all have to do that everywhere in life. This vote, in my mind was a separate deal completely. And even in it, I am being held responsible for things I shouldn't be under the clean salte deal, now effectively discarded. --TK _/MyTalk 23:03, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

P.S.: Another thing. For you to post here, after what I said on my talk page to you, and cast doubt upon why I came here is callous. I hope you will reflect on your words, and change your mind.

Why, oh why, did you come here? I hope, to have fun, like the rest of us, and do some debunking of antiscientific thought? human^{be in} 23:27, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Dude, could you come down off that cross? We need the wood. If you're that desperate to be here, why not just edit some articles without worrying about having REAL ULTIMATE MODPOWER? If works for me. And this way, if/when the Evil Liberal Cabal censors you, you get DOUBLE Persecution Points!--Gulik 23:22, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Triple bonus points for quoting Tom Waits! human^{be in} 23:27, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

HeartofGold

Has requested sysopship to "show that people who are conservative can be fair."

HG Support

I'd support fairly quickly. The clean slate rule works against you, too! But it should not take long to see that you are the "same" decent person I observed, um, elsewhere. human^{be in} 13:09, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Second. Good user with a ... well, you know. ;) Flippin^;-) 13:11, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Support. --TK _/MyTalk 13:13, 24 May 2007 (CDT) Given HG comments below.

I also support this person. He showed fairness and level-headedness on CP, both commendable attributes.Prof0705 13:14, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Support - seems like a pleasant person. Trashbat 13:15, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes. Airdish 13:24, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Support. I agree with the view that we don't need more sysops, but I don't see how having more would hurt. And I think it would be good to have at least one sysop of good will from the right-hand side of the political spectrum, as well as one who wasn't part of the original supposed cabal. Also, HG has a sense of humor. I wouldn't mind clarification on what pronoun HG prefers, though, since I feel rather silly writing without them. --jtl^talk 20:08, 24 May 2007 (CDT) (first 'one' in 2nd sentence added later --jtl^talk 22:40, 24 May 2007 (CDT))

H.o.G. has fantastic dedication, an even temperament, and a contrasting political view. These are all pluses in my opinion. Should we wait, though, before making new sysops? Once we start making new sysops, though, this user should be first.-AmesG 22:08, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

No reason why not. ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 22:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

HG Oppose

Cracker I expect this to be a landslide, so I'm voting NO just to keep him/her humble. What a prick I am!

I have no opinion one way or another about HeartofGold but I oppose until we have a clear reason for the appointment of more sysops.--Bob_M (talk) 13:54, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I'm opposing on the grounds we have no reason for more Sysops. I assume that by the time we do, we'll know how the aspirants work in this environment a bit better. --Kels 14:06, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

HG Comments

I am concerned because I don't know who or what the constitution party are/is (and the conflicting statements made about them give me pause) so I'm going to stay silent on this one. But if it was a tie and I had to cast the remaining vote i'd go for yes based on what I've seen. Ah, screw it, I'll go for yes.Airdish 13:21, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Also, if you don't give me a sysopship, I will throw a hissy fit. (Not really. But I would enjoy having a sysopship here, probably wouldn't do much with it, and making me a sysop will enhance the impression of a "Doll house" or "house of mirrors.") HG_HeartOfGold ^talk 19:56, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

You're increasing my support by 1) Threatening a hissy fit (pull no punches!) 2) Claiming you would "enjoy" it (have fun!) 3) Saying you wouldn't "do much with it" (why work when you can sleep!) and lastly, 4) helping promote the "Dollhouse" concept (Welcome to it!). human^{be in} 20:38, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I have reviewed the seniority, and I beat this user, Hojimachong, a fine user, who I believe is a sysop, to creating my account. [2] So, I should be made a sysop according to this rational. Heart♥Gold ^tx 22:41, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Hoji's back! Sorry Heart, he was a cabal member, IIRC. Just took his time gambling his Cp sysop cred by signing on here, probably. human^{be in} 23:33, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

General Comments on process

Do we need more Sysops at present? No offence meant to either "candidate" but I thought I'd ask the question. Airdish 13:22, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I think we need a rough guideline on how long these nominations should ferment before a decision is made based on comments. human^{be in} 13:24, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

You could always add them when RW hits 10,000 pages. Aziraphale 13:38, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Any day now, hehehehehehe.... Airdish 13:41, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Fundamental Power Situation

Maybe before we add anyone to the top-heavy list of sysops, let's just worry about the site we do have. It strikes me as more than a little odd that the first thing that comes from some of the CP folks is a bid for sysop status. While I would support both in the future, for now I'm left feeling that none of this is necessary. I am not embarassed for putting up this page--I think it is part of the site's learning curve--but granting knighthood or whatever to people is really not what we came here to do. Otherwise, all we've done is create another CP where the inmates run the prison (don't read into that analogy, folks.)

I think we are better than this. Let's try and get back to the work we came here to do, not the petty gossip that is so easy to become mired in. Flippin^;-) 13:53, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Considering that I suspect this place will need a lot less banning and deleting that CP, what does it ned so many sysops for? --Gulik 17:23, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

After me, we do not need any more sysopships. One of the first things I will do if I am made a sysop is lobby for higher standards in selecting sysops. But please do not make these reforms until after I am a sysop. Thanks. HG_HeartOfGold ^talk 19:58, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Sysopship here, unlike CP, carries no status, no greater lobbying power. ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 08:26, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Linus is certainly right here. I've been looking for stuff to sysop, but there's not much yet. Oh, and thanks for the additional characters box; much appreciated. --Wikinterpreter^woo!

I definitely don't want to be sysop, and no matter what he tells you, don't give it to DocSock..he's a immoral vandal, and a devient.--PalMD^-Talk 08:40, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

While I'm sure that HeartOfGold is a nice person and everything of his I've seen has been most polite and reasonable I find his statement, "One of the first things I will do if I am made a sysop is lobby for higher standards in selecting sysops." a little worrying as it implies that he believes that sysops have some sort of higher status or more influence. HeartOfGold, if you spoke in jest please tell me. --Bob_M (talk) 09:36, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, if somebody wants my sysopmanship--take it. I don't think it is any kind of power--just a mild duty to try and get better with the software and help maintain standards. OH--and to block everybody I can in one awesome blaze of vandalism!!! Jk Flippin^;-) 09:40, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

It is a varient on the joke that the first thing young attornies do after passing the bar exam is support higher standards on the test. I'll take Flippin's Sysopmanship. Heart♥Gold ^tx 11:58, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for that HeartOf Gold - To subtle for an old man from the valleys like me I'm afraid. :-) Funny you should say that Flippin - I was about to suggest a sysop reduction drive. Can we really afford to pay for this many?--Bob_M (talk) 12:04, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

List of Sysops who are willing to relinquish their sysopships for Heart♥Gold

Sysops who have indicated the would give up their sysop for Heart♥Gold
Flippin

Yo, Heart, don't be such a whore... just wait a little, and I'm sure you will be "promoted". K? Love ya, kisses. human^{be in} 22:23, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Just in case you did not know, I am a married man:) To a woman. (I thought you were a man):) Heart♥Gold ^tx 22:54, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, whatever barriers society puts in the way of our love... how trivial are they, compared to our passion? human^{be in} 00:14, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

RationalWiki Day of Prayer

Heart of Gold is funny

Our mother, who art in compost

And all things that died in vain,

Thy sun will warm, thy rain will fall

On everything in its time.

Give us this day our daily lulz

And take down "no trespassing" signs

That we may meander through the fields

For thine is the sock, and the hose, and the stocking...

For ever and a day,

Ahem.

Without apologies to any poets human^{be in} 12:39, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I don't get it. Is this copied from somwhere? Heart♥Gold ^tx 14:31, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Um, no, I wrote it at about 12:29 CST today. Then I spent 10 minutes trying to get it to format correctly. human^{be in} 15:14, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Poetry was never my strong suit. Heart♥Gold ^tx 15:17, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

"There was a big high wall there that tried to stop me, sign was painted said 'private property', but on the back side it didn't say nothin" -- Wooody Guthrie --jtl^talk 21:31, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

No, bad Human, I demand an apology. No, I actually haven't even read it yet. Həlios^{-speak to me!} 02:06, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Subhuman want sysop.

Subhuman in RW1 under different name. Subhuman want power and pretty buttons. Subhuman want clean bed. Who vote subhuman?

SH Support

Strong support. Displays great command of language and wiki skills. Forgoes unnecessary complexity of userboxes in favor of simple statements. Does not wear shoes. Does not hog the goat snacks. Does not know how to use fire. human^{be in} 16:02, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Make good sysop. Like type, word good, many good trait. ʄĹїþþїɲ^;-) 09:53, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

SH Oppose

I find it unlikely Subhuman will keep his bed clean. He also ate my good shoes. --Kels 16:17, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

SH Comments

Oook. --Simian Wikiist

Human very clever. Vote Subhuman. Oook Oook Oook. Subhuman get kels new shoes made from goat. Kill goat hisself. Why kells care about subhuman bed? Kels want Subhuman have nice bed? OOOOk OOOK OOOK! Subhuman very happy. Subuman get goat for kels. --Subhuman cabal member 16:23, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Subhuman has schizophrenia, just so you know. &#115;&#117;&#98;&#104;&#117;&#109;&#97;&#110;&#32;&#61;&#32;&#98;&#111;&#98; ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 18:23, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Spica the Hiver for Sysop!

After winning the battle against TK, I hereby nominate myself for Sysop. And throw a couple o' bunches o' nanas to Subhuman as a bribe for his vote. Subhuman good! Subhuman smash, destroy, maim, kill! Spica 17:57, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

Spica Support

I'm trained in verbal de-escalation techniques, Control & Restraint (Level 1), have excellent management skills and have good arbitration/conflict resolution skills. Spica 19:07, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

And I'm not human (both according to TK and by species). Spica 19:08, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm all about the non-humans. Support! --Kels 19:13, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

I think everyone who is not me should be unbanned and made sysops at CP. Your resume does sound excellent, by the way. human^{be in} 15:14, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Thank you both for your support :D I am a mental health nurse by profession of 16 years standing. I do the "dealing with unbalanced minds and the associated delusional ideas" thing all the time at work. BTW, I've met God several times, and Jesus, and they're all really nice people........when they're well....... ;-) Spica 16:49, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

...*and* I'm a Mod and Admin on some other fora, so I have experience of being fair, just and reasonable. I can also deploy the Iron Fist of the Third Imperium, when needed ;-) Spica 16:52, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Such as? Would they happen to include myspace? --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

My own Mod and Admin experience inlcudes (but is not limited to):my own private fora; several games-related fora; a private mental health nursing form. TBH, I have little, if any experience of MySpace or other such blog-related sites. My experience of looking at such sites is limited to reading them. Spica 06:07, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Spica Oppose

You're suspicious. ICEWEDGE SOCK!!!!!! --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

I'm always suspicious; it's one of my positive personality traits :D Spica 15:03, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Spica Comments

So, come on then, do I get to be a SysOp or not? :D Spica 16:59, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

When I do, Spica, when I do. lol --TK_/MyTalk 23:22, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm just going by the old Anglo-Saxon proverb: ask ye not, get ye not ;) Spica 05:31, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Well good luck to you. Most find they change the rules depending on who is asking...some were even made Sysop who never requested or wanted it, hardly come here, like Hoji. ;-) --TK_/MyTalk 07:48, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

If the general concensus as to whether I should be made a SysOp is "no" and as long as an explanation is given as to why, I'd happy to accept that answer. Spica 09:50, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Archiving

We definitely have some to do. HG, for instance, and TK. How best to do it? One per user nomination, under the pagespace? human^{be in} 17:40, 5 July 2007 (CDT)

AutoFire?

For? Against? Thoughts? --_transResident Transfan^form! 19:55, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

What? But then you'll lessen my share of vandal kills! Nah, I don't see any reason why not, but a lot why. -- מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי ^{שְׁלֹום!}

How's about me?

Might as well throw my hat in the ring. I think I might have the right mix of intelligence and snark to do the job. Stile4aly 21:54, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

I are not sysop, but I wood liek to be. Can I has sysopship, plees?

Suggestion

As I give this page another cursory look, I can't help but wonder what would happen if we just gave sysop status to everyone mentioned here. We proclaim that "even vandals are welcome," so why don't we just give it a shot. Wikis aren't difficult to fix, why don't we just grant sysopship to everyone and see what happens. It isn't like we have a stupid 90/10 rule to deal with. I would appreciate any comments on this, but personally, I am thinking this could be done today. ʄĹїþþїɲ^;-) 08:26, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

I would agree to that._Eye See ^You 22:48, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Hell, I'd even put my name down for the list. _Eye See ^You 23:46, 5 August 2007 (CDT)

Tech: ClickerClock (approved)

Might as well as I'm attempting to fix some technical problems that require tech access. ClickerClock (talk) 12:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

Do you folks want me to help with fixing the gadgets or not?ClickerClock (talk) 05:57, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

No-one looks at this page, I've just made you a tech. Christopher (talk) 14:12, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Ninja: ClickerClock (user is now a tech, techs can make themselves ninjas and have all the same rights anyway)

ClickerClock (talk) 11:30, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

I've just made you tech, techs have all the same rights as ninjas plus loads more so you don't need it. Christopher (talk) 14:12, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

Ninja:RoninMacbeth (approved)

I'm most likely going to be denied, but screw it.

First, I think that I have proven myself to be a trustworthy editor, which is one of the more important qualifications for being a ninja. Also, because I use talk pages far too often (in addition to "kenning," my bad), it would keep my changes from spamming the RC feed. Finally, ninjas are one of three user groups that can bestow bot rights, and I would like to create a parallel bot that can fulfill any niche functions The Fuzz and The Archivist do not already handle. Since I would refuse any mod nomination offered to me due to limited time, that eliminates one of those three. Since I do not have the technical knowledge to be a tech, that means that my establishment of a bot can only be accomplished through the post of Ninja.

Thank you very much for your time, and I await your response(s). (Most likely rejection. Hey, I'm honest.) RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I think you might be good as a ninja, but let's see what other mods/techs think.-ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 00:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! I am...legitimately (and pleasantly) surprised you think I'd be a good choice. Thanks. RoninMacbeth (talk) 01:57, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

I seem to recall your username with some fondness. That being said, here's an open question: any history of yours — edit practices or otherwise — we should be aware of first? If not, one of the slave bot drivers like Fuzzy (or Christopher, IIRC?) ought to feel this one first. Thanks in advance. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Technical note: being a ninja won't help you make a bot. Ninjas can only bot and debot themselves.

@Reverend, I don't run a bot and probably wouldn't have the programming knowledge to do so. Christopher (talk) 15:02, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Much obliged (that makes two of us, for the record). Next on the list, then...

*uncorks shout-a-phone mouthpiece*

@FuzzyCatPotato "Heere, boy!" Reverend Black Percy (talk) 15:25, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

For normal humans, ninja only helps them do repetitive edits (like changing a ton of redirects after moving an article). It's only a bad idea if you don't think the ninja-ee can be trusted with the immense power of "not having edits show up in recent changes". Have at it @Reverend Black Percy 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 15:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Reverend Black Percy I was the janteloven guy. I was made sop in November, about a month after I joined the site. The majority of my mainspace edits have been on history and politics, because that's the subject I'm best at. @Christopher Aw, shucks. Well, I can still do redirects and stuff like that. @FuzzyCatPotato I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be trusted with that ability. Here is my list of contributions, in case you wish to review it. Thank you, RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

It would still be just as easy to make a bot (if you know the right programming languages, I think python is what you really need). Any tech or mod could bot it. Christopher (talk) 16:38, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth You're a ninja.

If you want to make a bot, make a new account (see Special:CreateAccount, no need to log out) and ask a tech to add bot to the account. See Manual:Pywikibot for PWB installation/information. See Archivist (running archivebot.py) and The Fuzz (running add_text.py or replace.py) for the type of edits that bots can do.

If you're not interested in PWB (or don't know Python) but still want bot edits and have basic coding skills (any language), you can use the api. FuzzyCatPotato!™ (talk/stalk) 16:45, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Being a social science nerd, I don't know Python. Fortunately, I do know people who know it. Thanks! RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Tech:Koidevelopment (denied)

Whoa I forgot this place was even here until RM edited. I uh want to be tech? I guess?
Qualifications

1. Barely able to use HTML
2. Is less able than a five year old to use JavaScript
3. No knowledge of PHP or any of those fancy sounding languages
4. Good at grammar
5. Thinks longboards are cool

Promises

1. Not to break anything
2. To make a 'Pirate' class
3. To (attempt to) make spam filters better
4. To make 'Godspeed!' a reason for an infinite block

Clearly I'm a solid candidate. *takes a bow*. the real reason is that i just like the idea of more power and won't do anything with it :> Vive Liberté! 00:36, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Wait, how do you change the block reasons? I've always wanted to add a few :)-ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 02:53, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Beats me. That's why I don't want to be a tech. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:21, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Not sure exactly but I'll find out for you in a sec Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 03:34, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@DiamondDisc1 MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown. Found it. Koifishdevelopment (swim) 03:44, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Koidevelopment Thanks!-ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 04:17, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@Koidevelopment Sorry, Koi. Generally we've only been granting tech to users who demonstrate they know what they're doing beforehand. (And we probably shouldn't even be doing that, but hey, it's a volunteer project.) Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 16:54, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

@FuzzyCatPotato Haha no worries mate. It was a joke request if you couldn't tell. Koi "I could really use an animator because I have so many ideas floating around in my head" development 17:28, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Sysop:Bigljbigl (approved)

Because his user rights have been Contested, to say the least, I would like to make a case for Bigljbigl to be re-demoted in his stead. Aside from an apparent distaste for User:CheeseburgerFace and an unquestionable eccentricity, Bigljbigl has demonstrated himself to be, by in large, a good-faith user who can be trusted. He has committed no vandalism as far as I can see. He is not a troll, and the Sysop guide states that "pretty much anyone who isn't an obvious vandal is made a Sysop soon after signing up." As far as I can see, his only "crime" is calling User:CheeseburgerFace an asshole. While I do not condone calling fellow users assholes, I believe that this does not constitute a promotable offense. I talked to him and managed to get him to agree to the rules. I have every expectation that he will fulfill the light responsibilities of sop-hood. Thank you, RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:10, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Done. (Unless someone strenuously disagrees, sysop is essentially the base state.) Fuzzy "Cat" Potato, Jr. (talk/stalk) 23:23, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Ninja: Palaeonictis (approved)

Hello, I request Ninja rights because I've been editing this wiki for years, have provided substantial content in several areas, and most of my edits nowadays are at the Saloon and minor edits here and there, so in order to not clog up the "Recent Changes" page I request the ability to be made a Ninja. Some posts I've edited include the following:

Neanderthal (I updated the religion section)

List of transitional fossils (I heavily updated the entire article]]

My essay: Observed instances of speciation

I added a "Pseudogenes" section to the Common descent article,

et cetera.--Palaeonictis (talk) 14:49, 9 August 2017 (UTC)

Have fun. Don't break anything. FuzzyCatPotato of the Intransigent Cutting boards (talk/stalk) 21:08, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Ninja: Bigs (approved)

I'm almost guaranteed to have this denied, but I don't have anything better to do. If you're a mod, you can read this and deny it, or just deny it and save yourself some time. If you do respond, please ping me.

1. I have proven to not be a troll, and I don't vandalize.
2. I have a tendency to do multiple edits while reading an article and mass edit my user page, so this may prevent spam.
3. Like mods, techs, and sysops, the position is glorified, and it really just means you have to make a ton of changes to stuff.
4. Have the time for it. Other than school, I have no life whatsoever, so I'm here enough.
5. Other than the whole preview thing, I tend to stop after told to (I fear being judged).
6. If anyone in power asks me for more credentials for why I should be ninja, I will gladly provide them.

—ѕυρяємє ℓєα∂єя вιgѕ σf gσαтιѕтαи (ᴡᴏʀᴅs ᴏғ ᴡɪsᴅᴏᴍ/ᴀᴄʜɪᴇᴠᴇᴍᴇɴᴛs) 18:05, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Have fun. Don't break anything. 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 22:02, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Tech: Kazitor (approved)

I've done plenty of PHP/JavaScript/HTML work in my time, and I'm such a boring person that maintenance would not be too beyond me.

It would certainly be mighty convenient to have access to various more-restricted things. I've been around since the end of June (damn, that long?) with no drama. —Kazitor, ^pending 10:16, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

@Kazitor Approved. —ClickerClock (talk) 10:23, 12 October 2017 (UTC)

Ninja: Spriggina (approved)

I would like to make a generator that makes the same type of spam that we see on a daily basis* (usually from a user like FirstnameLastname00), but it would be fairly complicated and I want to split each part (like name, sentences, etc.) into separate pages. This will fill up the recent changes list and annoy people, so I'd like to become a ninja to avoid that.

*It seems like a strange thing to make, it's simply because I'm bored out of my mind and need something to do. スプリギーナ (話) (貢献) @ 02:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

I can't say I completely understand what you're doing. You want to make a spam generator (why?) and think it'll flood recent changes. Why not write a python script or something? —Kazitor, ^pending 02:45, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Because I don't know Python, while I do know wikitext. This is what I'm trying to do, but using {{#choose}} instead of whatever weird bot does it. スプリギーナ (話) (貢献) @ 02:54, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

@Spriggina It's done, don't let it go to your head. —Kazitor, ^pending 03:41, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: Right-wing RationalWiki (coldly rejected)

I wish to respectfully put myself forward for adminship. There's a large number of Shy conservatives on this wiki and they need a senior voice to represent them. Yours Truly, —Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 19:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

No. No one has seen fit to give you autopatrolled status, but more importantly your lack of constructive (i.e. non-reverted) edits on mainspace pages. Bongolian (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I wasn’t asking you. —Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 19:48, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Too bad for you, he's one of the people you should be asking. As for me, I think giving you sysop privilieges is an idea on par with giving nuclear codes to a rhesus monkey, so I vote no. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:55, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

You can accomplish your stated goals without sysop privileges. As for your more covert goals... Well those may have wait for quite some time. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:13, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Of course not. There's no way you'll get much beyond autoconfirm status in a wiki that's heavily biased against your holy cause. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 20:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I think it's more like giving nuclear codes to somebody like Donald Trump.

...oh no. スプリギーナ (話) (貢献) @ 22:24, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

This stinks of political bias, I should have expected this from a bunch of lefties. And I'm curios to know what my so called "covert goals" are. --Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 23:27, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

It's "curious" not "curios" and as for those goals... Does blocking every user you disagree with, promoting every user that agrees with you, and giving this site a blatant pro-Trump slant sound familiar? ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 23:31, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

...That may sound a bit familiar...--Right-wing RationalWiki (talk) 23:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: RagingHippie (approved)

I mean, really. Come on. RagingHippie (talk) 05:45, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@RagingHippie Every man a sysop!--Parevent (talk) 06:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: Parevent (approved)

Give me back my mop and bucket, i have every right to decide which of my accounts has it and i've decided this one--Parevent (talk) 18:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

How do we know this is actually Paravant, though? スプリギーナ (話) (貢献) @ 18:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

One would have hoped using my old account would do it, but i've also had a short email conversation with @FuzzyCatPotato over the matter. --Parevent (talk) 18:57, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

@Christopher thought that your Paravant account might have been compromised,[3] so I think that Christopher and FuzzyCatPotato should weigh in on this. Bongolian (talk) 19:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

We trusted that RagingHippie was AgingHippie, so I see no reason to distrust Parevent. I say yes, until shown reasons to the contrary. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

I misunderstood the situation completely, I’ve reinstated sysop on your chosen account. Feel free to give sysop to any of your old accounts. Sorry! Christopher (talk) 19:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

It's fine, an understandable mistake.--Parevent (talk) 19:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Owner: Oolon Colluphid (denied)

Yea, yea, yea gimme owner. I’ll run this place into the ground yea. Oolon Colluphid (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

No. You might have more luck just buying RW with the vast royalties that you earned from your 4 books. Bongolian (talk) 00:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Tech: Felicia777 (denied)

I have a little over 2 years of MediaWiki experience, I can also use sophisticated coding like Java, of course I perfected mine in that short timespan. I think I am a perfect candidate for the Tech right. Felicia777 (talk) 01:26, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

While it's not that I don't trust you, you probably ought to wait longer than a day and 9 edits. —Kazitor, ^pending 01:36, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3  (talk • stalk) 01:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

You're not even autopatrolled and your first contribution was yesterday, so it looks quite suspicious. Bongolian (talk) 01:54, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

User says to know me and my sister through a Mario forum (which yes, I'm a part of). I say you should get the trust from the community first before you ask for any sort of rights. We like to see you demonstrate those "2 years of MediaWiki experience" first as well. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 02:02, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

Ninja: Cosmikdebris (approved)

I'd like to make some WIGO archives, and avoid clogging up the recent changes. Thanks, Cosmikdebris (talk) 00:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Done. Bongolian (talk) 01:15, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 01:23, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: Benn (approved)

I would like Sysop. My credentials: I have edited a few articles. I sort of understand the extra roles of a sysop. I am not a troll. Is there anything else you would need to know?Benn (talk) 00:04, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think you're a troll either. I'd be happy to demote you to autoconfirm status as of now, but if you edit more, then you'll convince me to be a sysop. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 00:09, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

I think you're good. Have fun with the mop and hammer (which you can use to break those pesky barrels). --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 03:33, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Sysop: LCRex (approved)

Not to sound entitled, but I've been here for 3 months, I've already proven myself to be a useful user, and you guys basically give out sysop rights like candy. LCRex ^{(poses menacingly)} 14:57, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Just get the mop, bucket, and free block and leave us alone. ;P --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 03:26, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Sysop for --san/Mike V (approved)

@LeftyGreenMario I've been here for a bit, can i have sysop? I want some SysopCandy™ Sincerely, --san (talk | contributions) 04:05, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@--san Ping doesn't work if you don't use the tildes. Anyhow, I've seen only a bit of reverts and not much else. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 18:43, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

@--san Have fun with the mop! --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 06:28, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Ninja: GrammarCommie (approved)

I will likely begin edit binges in the near future wherein I bring old articles up to modern formatting standards and would like to avoid clogging up the the recent changes log. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 14:17, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Done. Bongolian (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

@Bongolian Thank you. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 19:45, 15 May 2018 (UTC)