User talk:Machina

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New logo large.png Meh. You signing up for a RationalWiki account doesn't really move us one way or the other, Machina.

This is probably because we're getting bored of lame attempts at trolling our site and/or obvious sockpuppetry. Maybe you should try mixing things up a little or try taking a walk outside.

We realize that it is possible that you think your activity here is really important, so we'll do our best to tolerate it. But don't expect us to get too excited.

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Your posts are a bit weird. Maybe tone it down. Also, please sign your comments with for tildes (~~~~). Thanks. Koi "dammit Koi stop making such long sigs!" development 23:18, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
What do you mean weird? I have a question about a page and ask for clarification. Machina (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Hahaha the tildes come after your message. Also, please indent with colons (:). I haven't read the content of your posts (oh my valuable time!) but content like 'is the Unibomber right?' is weird. Koi "dammit Koi stop making such long sigs!" development 00:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
This is all very confusing to me. I've never seen such a complicated message interface before. I'm still learning how everything works here.Machina (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
You don't have to copy the <.nowiki> tag. That tells the page not to treat whatever's in the tag as wiki text. Indent colons as n + 1, so if my comment is 4 colons, yours is 5. No wiki works like this: this versus ''this''. Koi "dammit Koi stop making such long sigs!" development 01:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Are you okay?[edit]

Asking whether suicide is the "answer" to anything isn't normal, have you considered seeking professional help? Christopher (talk) 15:32, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Machina, please tell us you're OK. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:26, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
the fact that it hasn't been talked about is part of the problem. I think making people stay around is more about personal comfort than theirs. Camus said that the most important philosophical question is whether or not to commit suicide. Just repeating that life is worth it or that you are sick to be thinking such things is dodging the question.Machina (talk) 16:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
But Albert Camus did not commit suicide did he? Questions are worth asking sometimes because your publisher is after you to write something. Maybe you should write about this question of yours as Camus once did. The idea that you seem to be missing is this: an individual decides for himself what the value of his life should be. There is no philosophy, no logic that can force the question to be answered. Certainly if your friends are all happy, or at least satisfied with the course of their lives they will regard talk of suicide as crazy talk. Who wants to play catch with a hornets nest? Why would a happy person commit suicide? Curiosity? Be well.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

If you feel like it...[edit]

...we can talk about how life isn't worth a dime. I agree with your rationale and i'd love to have another miserabelist around! Ever heard of Emil Cioran? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMOM34XEi2k&t=304s Tought that thinking about Suicide is a great comfort in life. Benaresh (talk) 21:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

it's not that I choose to feel like this but the answers that life is worth living and all that haven't proven effective or convincing. They never delve into the actual nitty gritty that is life. Considering that there isn't any inherent purpose to life or meaning, and that it's all pretty much or say so is disheartening. The same thing as the notion that we don't HAVE to do anything. People always say suicide isn't an answer but never say why. All their logic is rooted in what makes them feel better but not the one suffering. Machina (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

You're back![edit]

Love the interesting philosophical topics you add to the Saloon Bar. —ClickerClock (talk) 04:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome![edit]

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Nerd (talk) 02:08, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I think you'd like this movie[edit]

I (heart) Huckabee's is a little bit of fun arguing between existentialism and nihilism. It got panned by Ebert, I think, as a completely pointless film. But it's a fun watch. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't think so. I don't usually like to think too hard about things.Machina (talk) 05:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Depression[edit]

I`m sorry for being so unsympathetic and snarky, I didn't realize you're struggling with depression as am I. Mea culpa. Oxyaena Harass 19:38, 11 November 2019 (UTC) You're not the bad guy, 05:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Page[edit]

Since you spend so much time here, maybe you should make a userpage. And maybe get your head out of the saloon bar.--Delibirda the Annoying Grammar Nazi (talk) 08:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Why is that?Machina (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

You could have unblocked yourself[edit]

I have unblocked you. As a sysop, you could have unblocked yourself. I think that in giving you an infinite block without any discussion, that's what Hairless Cat expected you to do. I now advise you not to just revert the changes to the Leo Gura page without discussing it on the article's talk page first. Spud (talk) 01:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah very good then, thanks. But I don't know how to unblock myself, also I don't think the reverting of changes is going to work very well since it's all the work of one user who seems determined to paint him as something other than he is, which is a nutbar. I would need the support of other mods or sysop.Machina (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Discuss it on the article's talk page. If you think that more people need to see the page and join the discussion, leave a short message in the Saloon Bar saying, "Please join the discussion on the Leo Gura talk page." Please do not discuss it at length in the Saloon Bar. Spud (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try that.Machina (talk) 05:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

You know, I'm not great about it myself[edit]

But indent your talk page posts, please. At least sometimes? You always revert to top level and it makes the threads a bit jankier. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Discord.[edit]

If you have it, join either of the servers and let's chat. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Where is the discord link.Machina (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind I found it, I'm CyberDragon.Machina (talk) 21:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad you're back[edit]

And it's a little selfish of me, but I'm really glad you're back without explicit solipsism, it honestly hurt me to think that you didn't understand that I existed. I don't know what your shroomey journey entailed, but I'm glad you're back. Even if there is only a 99% doubt in your mind that I actually exist, that is way cooler than a 100% doubt that I exist. I am pretty fucking sure you exist, and I try not to hold you to my perception, so all I'm saying is I'm glad to see you've posted again, and I'm really impressed by what has come out of it. The difference between 100% and 99% is pretty cool, and solely on a personal level, I really appreciate that you're talking about it that way. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I guess I learned that the people at shroomery aren't special and I'm a little OK with no knowing. It wasn't solipsism that bothered be but being afraid of being wrong.Machina (talk) 01:12, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Hope you read this[edit]

They removed your post about not being understood while I was responding, I'm not happy about it. This whole, "nobody gets me" became something very real and very painful to me recently, it's surreal. You're right, and I'm there with you, it's very difficult to be something different in a world you don't agree with and doesn't agree with you. I found a way to be comfortable with it, and believe me, I'm not happy with anyone who wants to be weird in their own right and not comfortable with other people being weird. I'm having very complicated feelings about a situation that I can't talk about. My brother had a friend in high school that shot his dad, then shot himself. He had never talked about it with me until I talked about what happened with him. I told him I felt like it was a failure in my leadership, to let it happen at all. I had to go to work today, knowing that everyone there was going to be grieving a different way than they did yesterday, and knowing there's no guidance counselor or anything, it's just each other. Tomorrow will probably be weirder. No one can tell you're unhappy, you're right, and no one knows what to do when you say you're unhappy. No one expects you to be happy, and they treat you like just not being unhappy sometimes should be enough. I at least, treated somebody like not being unhappy when they were at work was enough. I trusted them when they said they were taking time off after a hospital visit. I couldn't have really done much more. I trusted them to be getting better, I don't want people to work when they're sick. It was the only thing I could do, and it didn't work out very well. I'm still holding onto the justification that I trusted them, I'm too old for somebody lying to me about being OK to break my trust in anybody else. But I do mean, if you're not OK, I've been not OK too. I have never quite found a home, I'm patient to a fault, sometimes people get bored with my need to talk about every detail of a thing, most of the time people don't get what I'm excited about when I'm excited, but I try not to be the kind of guy to tell them what they are excited about is wrong. You give them the same "OK, I don't get you" hall pass that, I promise, almost all of them give you. I know it's hard to not be allowed to be your authentic self. And it looks like nobody else is being their authentic selves either, but they are somehow having an easier time. But for a lot of people, "just vibing" is literally their authentic selves. Please don't take this as any health advice. I'm there too, support groups are full of people who are generally trying to get over their own perspective. I'm not lying when I say I really want to hear your perspective. I'm not lying when I say I can't always be there for you. I don't want to talk about what happened literally for legal reasons, I'm really disgusted by news outlets just throwing factoids around. Things get weird, I don't have much to offer, but in the worst of times, everything I have is yours too. I'm a really shy person, I know what it's like to tell everyone I'm fine. I know you're fine. I'm fine too. If you want to talk, let me know, I'm not on discord and I've never used Zoom, but I've always been pretty good at figuring something out. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 06:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll make a note of that. BUt I wasn't lying. Every effort I made to connect has failed despite changes. The only recourse is to quit.Machina (talk) 01:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
I know you're not lying. And I don't think it's wrong to quit a thing, maybe I'm reading your words wrong. But I do know it's a really hard way to go, to isolate completely and have thoughts and feelings you want to share but can't. I keep trying, because my dip shit introverted ass can't quite be vulnerable, so I offload those feelings some place else. (welcome to someplace else, btw) Gol Sarnitt (talk) 05:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)