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New logo large.png Meh. You signing up for a RationalWiki account doesn't really move us one way or the other, Machina.

This is probably because of your poor, obvious attempts at trolling or displays of unwelcome behavior. Maybe you should try to examine our articles and mission statement first, or take a walk outside.

We realize that it's possible that you may be here in good faith, so we'll do our best to tolerate it. But don't expect us to get too excited.

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Your posts are a bit weird. Maybe tone it down. Also, please sign your comments with for tildes (~~~~). Thanks. Decidedly not a sock of User:Fareeha_A 23:18, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean weird? I have a question about a page and ask for clarification. Machina (talk) 00:25, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
Hahaha the tildes come after your message. Also, please indent with colons (:). I haven't read the content of your posts (oh my valuable time!) but content like 'is the Unibomber right?' is weird. Decidedly not a sock of User:Fareeha_A 00:30, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
This is all very confusing to me. I've never seen such a complicated message interface before. I'm still learning how everything works here.Machina (talk) 00:44, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
You don't have to copy the <.nowiki> tag. That tells the page not to treat whatever's in the tag as wiki text. Indent colons as n + 1, so if my comment is 4 colons, yours is 5. No wiki works like this: this versus ''this''. Decidedly not a sock of User:Fareeha_A 01:14, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Are you okay?[edit]

Asking whether suicide is the "answer" to anything isn't normal, have you considered seeking professional help? Christopher (talk) 15:32, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Machina, please tell us you're OK. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:26, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
the fact that it hasn't been talked about is part of the problem. I think making people stay around is more about personal comfort than theirs. Camus said that the most important philosophical question is whether or not to commit suicide. Just repeating that life is worth it or that you are sick to be thinking such things is dodging the question.Machina (talk) 16:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
But Albert Camus did not commit suicide did he? Questions are worth asking sometimes because your publisher is after you to write something. Maybe you should write about this question of yours as Camus once did. The idea that you seem to be missing is this: an individual decides for himself what the value of his life should be. There is no philosophy, no logic that can force the question to be answered. Certainly if your friends are all happy, or at least satisfied with the course of their lives they will regard talk of suicide as crazy talk. Who wants to play catch with a hornets nest? Why would a happy person commit suicide? Curiosity? Be well.Ariel31459 (talk) 22:29, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

If you feel like it...[edit]

...we can talk about how life isn't worth a dime. I agree with your rationale and i'd love to have another miserabelist around! Ever heard of Emil Cioran? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMOM34XEi2k&t=304s Tought that thinking about Suicide is a great comfort in life. Benaresh (talk) 21:10, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

it's not that I choose to feel like this but the answers that life is worth living and all that haven't proven effective or convincing. They never delve into the actual nitty gritty that is life. Considering that there isn't any inherent purpose to life or meaning, and that it's all pretty much or say so is disheartening. The same thing as the notion that we don't HAVE to do anything. People always say suicide isn't an answer but never say why. All their logic is rooted in what makes them feel better but not the one suffering. Machina (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

You're back![edit]

Love the interesting philosophical topics you add to the Saloon Bar. β€”ClickerClock (talk) 04:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Welcome![edit]

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I think you'd like this movie[edit]

I (heart) Huckabee's is a little bit of fun arguing between existentialism and nihilism. It got panned by Ebert, I think, as a completely pointless film. But it's a fun watch. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 01:57, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

I don't think so. I don't usually like to think too hard about things.Machina (talk) 05:50, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Depression[edit]

I`m sorry for being so unsympathetic and snarky, I didn't realize you're struggling with depression as am I. Mea culpa. β€” Oxyaena Harass 19:38, 11 November 2019 (UTC) You're not the bad guy, 05:55, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Page[edit]

Since you spend so much time here, maybe you should make a userpage. And maybe get your head out of the saloon bar.--Delibirda the Annoying Grammar Nazi (talk) 08:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Why is that?Machina (talk) 01:06, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

You could have unblocked yourself[edit]

I have unblocked you. As a sysop, you could have unblocked yourself. I think that in giving you an infinite block without any discussion, that's what Hairless Cat expected you to do. I now advise you not to just revert the changes to the Leo Gura page without discussing it on the article's talk page first. Spud (talk) 01:03, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah very good then, thanks. But I don't know how to unblock myself, also I don't think the reverting of changes is going to work very well since it's all the work of one user who seems determined to paint him as something other than he is, which is a nutbar. I would need the support of other mods or sysop.Machina (talk) 04:35, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Discuss it on the article's talk page. If you think that more people need to see the page and join the discussion, leave a short message in the Saloon Bar saying, "Please join the discussion on the Leo Gura talk page." Please do not discuss it at length in the Saloon Bar. Spud (talk) 04:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try that.Machina (talk) 05:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

You know, I'm not great about it myself[edit]

But indent your talk page posts, please. At least sometimes? You always revert to top level and it makes the threads a bit jankier. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Discord.[edit]

If you have it, join either of the servers and let's chat. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:16, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Where is the discord link.Machina (talk) 21:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nevermind I found it, I'm CyberDragon.Machina (talk) 21:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad you're back[edit]

And it's a little selfish of me, but I'm really glad you're back without explicit solipsism, it honestly hurt me to think that you didn't understand that I existed. I don't know what your shroomey journey entailed, but I'm glad you're back. Even if there is only a 99% doubt in your mind that I actually exist, that is way cooler than a 100% doubt that I exist. I am pretty fucking sure you exist, and I try not to hold you to my perception, so all I'm saying is I'm glad to see you've posted again, and I'm really impressed by what has come out of it. The difference between 100% and 99% is pretty cool, and solely on a personal level, I really appreciate that you're talking about it that way. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 06:51, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

I guess I learned that the people at shroomery aren't special and I'm a little OK with no knowing. It wasn't solipsism that bothered be but being afraid of being wrong.Machina (talk) 01:12, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Hope you read this[edit]

They removed your post about not being understood while I was responding, I'm not happy about it. This whole, "nobody gets me" became something very real and very painful to me recently, it's surreal. You're right, and I'm there with you, it's very difficult to be something different in a world you don't agree with and doesn't agree with you. I found a way to be comfortable with it, and believe me, I'm not happy with anyone who wants to be weird in their own right and not comfortable with other people being weird. I'm having very complicated feelings about a situation that I can't talk about. My brother had a friend in high school that shot his dad, then shot himself. He had never talked about it with me until I talked about what happened with him. I told him I felt like it was a failure in my leadership, to let it happen at all. I had to go to work today, knowing that everyone there was going to be grieving a different way than they did yesterday, and knowing there's no guidance counselor or anything, it's just each other. Tomorrow will probably be weirder. No one can tell you're unhappy, you're right, and no one knows what to do when you say you're unhappy. No one expects you to be happy, and they treat you like just not being unhappy sometimes should be enough. I at least, treated somebody like not being unhappy when they were at work was enough. I trusted them when they said they were taking time off after a hospital visit. I couldn't have really done much more. I trusted them to be getting better, I don't want people to work when they're sick. It was the only thing I could do, and it didn't work out very well. I'm still holding onto the justification that I trusted them, I'm too old for somebody lying to me about being OK to break my trust in anybody else. But I do mean, if you're not OK, I've been not OK too. I have never quite found a home, I'm patient to a fault, sometimes people get bored with my need to talk about every detail of a thing, most of the time people don't get what I'm excited about when I'm excited, but I try not to be the kind of guy to tell them what they are excited about is wrong. You give them the same "OK, I don't get you" hall pass that, I promise, almost all of them give you. I know it's hard to not be allowed to be your authentic self. And it looks like nobody else is being their authentic selves either, but they are somehow having an easier time. But for a lot of people, "just vibing" is literally their authentic selves. Please don't take this as any health advice. I'm there too, support groups are full of people who are generally trying to get over their own perspective. I'm not lying when I say I really want to hear your perspective. I'm not lying when I say I can't always be there for you. I don't want to talk about what happened literally for legal reasons, I'm really disgusted by news outlets just throwing factoids around. Things get weird, I don't have much to offer, but in the worst of times, everything I have is yours too. I'm a really shy person, I know what it's like to tell everyone I'm fine. I know you're fine. I'm fine too. If you want to talk, let me know, I'm not on discord and I've never used Zoom, but I've always been pretty good at figuring something out. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 06:14, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll make a note of that. BUt I wasn't lying. Every effort I made to connect has failed despite changes. The only recourse is to quit.Machina (talk) 01:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
I know you're not lying. And I don't think it's wrong to quit a thing, maybe I'm reading your words wrong. But I do know it's a really hard way to go, to isolate completely and have thoughts and feelings you want to share but can't. I keep trying, because my dip shit introverted ass can't quite be vulnerable, so I offload those feelings some place else. (welcome to someplace else, btw) Gol Sarnitt (talk) 05:00, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

All things in moderation[edit]

A case involving you has been raised at the All things in moderation. Feel free to comment. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 16:27, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

If you come back and want to see what transpired, you can find it here: RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation/Archive43. Bongolian (talk) 01:29, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Collapsing[edit]

All you are doing is adding an element of pointlessly distressing and/or obsessive existential doom again and again to the saloon while ignoring all rational responses. This is frightening behaviour when considering how many users have told you how much it bothers/upsets them and how unwanted it is. Do you simply not give a shit about others? Do you want a topic ban? ShabiDOO 02:25, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

The "rational" responses don't say more than it's nonsense and I've already explained to them why their arguments don't really work and why the fear from this is different from that of death and other things.Machina (talk) 01:22, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

ATIM[edit]

Hi. I want to let you know that there's an ATIM thread about you here: RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation#Machina LongStylus (talk) 21:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Blocked[edit]

Per the ATIM a few weeks ago, I'm blocking you for uncollapsing the thread at the Saloon Bar. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 00:27, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Why? It's just mindlessly labeling things that are not solipsism as solipsism and there are good replies in the comments.Machina (talk) 00:37, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
You’ve gotten plenty of warnings about this. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:32, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Except they have nothing to do with solipsism.Machina (talk) 21:37, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Final warning from a mod[edit]

Do not uncollapse your topics again. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:23, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

It's me, Gol Dernitt[edit]

Do you still want to talk about Solipsim? Let's talk about it, here's a very affirming song.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wLAyAlhmxYP]/youtube.com]

The link is there. I don't mind if you edit my post, as long as you listen to the song. Always has been a favorite track of mine when it comes to solipsism. Commander Sprace (talk) 05:14, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

I don't live in a world of absolutes. But occasionally I see something and I do say "absolutely NOT" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PWeWi9k74c Be patient with me, I really would like to talk to you about solipsism. Commander Sprace (talk) 05:49, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm moving past it right now as I'm seeing how stupid it actually is.Machina (talk) 21:41, 16 July 2022 (UTC)

Your email to me[edit]

Regarding your email to me: "I want to know why I keep getting banned for asking questions, especially when they have nothing to do with solipsism. How is what I asked considered brain rot?"

See: RationalWiki talk:All things in moderation/Archive59#Machina. This is in the general realm of solipsism ("Ignore the part of human condition is simulation. Though that part about it being a controlled hallucination is what this guy said"; RationalWiki:Saloon bar#Machina topic), as described here: Simulated reality. The problem is not that these ideas are brain rot per se, but fixating upon these ideas, as you are, is. Bongolian (talk) 18:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
I mean to ignore that area that he said about simulation because that's not what I am getting it. Yes in a science sense our brains construct reality to be a best guess of what's out there but my point was about emotions not that. I don't believe in the Matrix or stuff like that. The controlled hallucination was by a neuroscientist Anil Seth (I think that's the name). But my point was about emotions and I think it's important to answer that since emotions affect us every day. I want to know if I'm just misleading myself each day with emotions. @Bongolian Machina (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
The site as a whole is irritated by your ramblings about this kind of stuff. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 22:09, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
It's not ramblings though it's honest questions. How else am I supposed to know if this stuff is right or not?Machina (talk) 00:29, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Machina is completely incapable of listening to others and respecting the wishes and limits of people. Arguing any further is useless. Just block him when he undoes the collapses. Questions of existential dread by Machina should be collapsed. ShabiDOO 01:19, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
You of all people don't really answer the question, just label it as nonsense and move one while being unable to answer my follow ups. But I guess it's just easier to label it nonsense then to engage with it.Machina (talk) 05:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
@Machina Was this you who undid the collapse? [1] I'm not saying it is you, it could be anybody. LongStylus (talk) 03:23, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
I literally posted that a couple days ago. I haven't check it since today when I logged in. I didn't un-collapse that.Machina (talk) 05:31, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
Machina, you act as though you are entitled to have your questions answered and we are obligated to answer them. This is not the case. Your sense of entitlement is staggering. We (I included) have answered your existential dread more than enough. Fuck off, grow up, get it through your skull that we have wishes and limits that should be respected, respect them and stop acting like a petulant entitled fucking brat. YOUR EXISTENTIAL DREAD QUESTIONS ARE NOT WANTED HERE. Get your answers somewhere else. Knock it the fuck off ShabiDOO 09:20, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
As I have mentioned you haven't. Because I then ask a question that gets to the heart of the matter and all anyone can say is get therapy when therapy can't answer the questions I have. Therapists aren't philosophers, they are incapable of helping me.Machina (talk) 01:33, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
If you don't like the answers you get here, then ask your dumb questions somewhere else. It solves everyone's problems here. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 01:35, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
They aren't dumb questions but questions that are the foundation upon which we live our lives. The answers that people give are the easy ones that require little thought but when you look closer at them they don't hold up to examination.Machina (talk) 02:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

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You know you don't have to answer the questions yet you constantly feel the need to interject all the time about how it's dumb.Machina (talk) 23:20, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Blocked from Saloon Bar[edit]

I have blocked you from editing the Saloon Bar. Your renaming of your thread is similar to your removing of collapses by other editors. It's disruptive and goes against people's wishes to have their boundaries respected. LongStylus (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Boundaries? They just renamed everything so that no one can tell what it is about, how is that not violating my boundaries? If people don't want to answer they don't have to but it's just plain rude to rename everything as Machina Topic.Machina (talk) 22:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
This website does not entitle users to post whatever they wish. If a user consistently makes edits that cause enough people discomfort, then appropriate measures can be taken to mitigate that discomfort. LongStylus (talk) 22:32, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Discomfort sounds a bit dramatic, how is what I'm posting discomfort?Machina (talk) 02:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
The topics you bring up on the Bar, the frequency at which you bring the same topics up, and your replies to other people's answers. LongStylus (talk) 02:53, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
You mean answers that I debunked but people keep saying them like they're right. Like how they butchered my experience on the positive thinking topic to prove their point rather than address me from where I am they twisted my words.Machina (talk) 04:33, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
If people find a user to be disruptive and causing discomfort, then appropriate actions can be taken to resolve the disruption. LongStylus (talk) 04:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Clearly, Machina, when multiple people find issues with your posts on Saloon Bar for probably years now, they're the problem, not you. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 09:13, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
LongStylus, Machina has never once ever conceeded a single point about anything. You've reasonably explained things, he doesn't care for your explanation. That is his problem not ours. Best course of action is to keep blocking him, epxlaining why and let him whinge and not reply. This cycle will continue until the community sufficiently tires of his petulance, hissyfits and obstinance and long term blocks him or banishes him. While I'd love to be proven wrong, it is hard to imagine this playing out any other way. ShabiDOO 16:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
When the explanation is just calling something nonsense or stupid that's not finding a problem with it that just sounds like not even trying or wanting to deal with it. It's also funny how you refer to what I do as petulance, hissyfits, and obstinance when you're the one demonstrating that behavior. I don't think you want to be proven wrong I think you've made up your mind and won't hear anything else. Especially considering that your answers to my questions were really just dodging.Machina (talk) 16:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
There you go again, being unwilling to concede any single point. What Shabidoo has characterized has been the accurate sentiment from practically everyone who has interacted with you including people who've read the conversations; you've been at this charade for literally years, over 5 years may I add. You even have a template created just for you to people to avoid Solipsism. To anyone else I'd attempt to offer advice to avoid people from introducing templates, collapsing your posts, renaming your threads, and general complaining about you, but you, you're beyond reproach. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:02, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Again? --Andrew5 (talk) 19:58, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Stay out of this Andrew5. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:00, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
You mean how people tend to agree with the non-answers given to my points, as though they said saying of value when really it's just avoiding giving a straight answer in response to the topic. Calling something nonsense or stupid isn't a reply but everyone seems to agree. No one has made a real point that I can concede to or that I haven't debunked in the same thread. You need to look over what I've written and see how nothing that was said either answers the question or hasn't been refuted in the same thread. His characterization is woefully inaccurate and speaks more to them then to me. I mean their answer to everything is just that it's nonsense...groundbreaking, why didn't I think of that? Oh that's right, because it's not an answer. You can just take a look at any thread I've made and you'll see no one here has made a single point worth conceding to, because they are all avoiding actually having to answer the question or they have been refuted. Seriously, people think therapy is a valid point to questions about existence when therapists aren't equipped to answer questions like that, at least not seriously think about it.Machina (talk) 20:03, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
You can continue doubling down. I don't care how many words you have to take to keep reiterating the same crap for the past 5 years or so. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:06, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
If I keep repeating it it's because no one has answered the question, that's how these things tend to work. Not just by dismissing it as nonsense. How is this rationalwiki?Machina (talk) 22:14, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't even know what the heck is going on here… I only joined the site this year. Can someone bring me up to speed? --Luigifan18 (talk) 00:06, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Nah. It's a completely uninteresting case Luigi. There are more interesting things (historical and current) worth learning about. ShabiDOO 11:25, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

It's just me an my hangups, that about sums it up.Machina (talk) 00:41, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Stumbled on your question about Colorado...?[edit]

Hey, I stumbled on your question about Colorado over in the Saloon bar (I don't post around here and wanted to reply, but wasn't sure how to add to that thread). I was born and raised in Colorado, and left at the end of 2020 when I was 23. My experience of it is that it's generally fine. I'm not very familiar with Canon City and the southern part of the state (except that it is beautiful). If you've got a safety net there though, you can take a minute to get on your feet and then move up to the Denver Metro area. Golden is nice, if a little pricey; same with Boulder. I've lived in Arvada and Littleton, and love both of those places. Lakewood is... interesting lol. I know a lot of people tend to have a sort of pearl-clutching 'but all the crime' kind of reaction to most (sub)urban places, but I never had any problems. Just don't walk around downtown at 3am by yourself and you should be fine (advice that applies to most places). Overall, Colorado's okay. The only real concerns I'd bring up to someone is that it isn't cheap to live out there (although some areas are worse than others and you can sometimes find deals), plus it's high altitude (something that would probably bother you for a minute if you're from Florida) and super dry (it might not look like it, but the whole state is literally a desert- and it has been known to catch fire (doing its best imitation of California)). Plus there's whatever water problems have been going on (I don't know much about that since I no longer live there, but from drinking water to water for crops and waste to snowfall/melt, any problems there are with water are likely only going to get worse). Aside from that, the state is generally fine. I hope this was helpful/informative, and that things work out for you! 50.111.132.184 (talk) 17:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)