Talk:Elon Musk/Archive1
Topic[edit]
We probably ought to start with background.
Biographies:
--chipbag01Tolk page 21:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
Article needs attention[edit]
This article is currently of low quality, with a basic fact list and a few unhelpful anecdotes which don't help us understand him. Lack of references. Should be merged with Hyperloop. TeslaK20 (talk) 21:19, 24 July 2016 (UTC)
Iain M Banks[edit]
I saw the article touches on Musk's interest in Banks' Culture series of sci-fi novels. Which reminded me of this article https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ypw9ky/why-are-elon-musk-and-mark-zuckerberg-reading-utopian-sci-fi from 3 years ago. The 2 autonomous barges that serve as landing platforms for SpaceX's verticle landing reusable rockets are named after 2 of the sentient starhips from the Culture novels.
Whilst searching for the above article I also found an article from The Guardian which entirely coincidentally has today's date on it, which suggests that Musk badly misunderstands Banks' views and his work. https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2018/jun/19/elon-musk-iain-banks-culture-novels . Anyway I hope these articles might prove usefull if anyone wanted to expand upon the existing Banks references.
As an aside, Iain M Banks just happens to be one of my favourite ever writers and I highly recommend that any sci-fi fan that hasn't already done so, should prioritize reading all of the 'Culture' series as soon as they possibly can. Some of his non sci-fi work, which he wrote as Iain Banks, the M is only used for his sci-fi, is also pretty good, I just could not put 'The Wasp Factory' down, read it from cover to cover in a single sitting. not a real jedidamn right i'm paranoid 23:36, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
r/EnoughMuskSpam[edit]
https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughMuskSpam/ LuodiWang (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- That's a nice subreddit. I like thread. We should definitely cover his promises that only serve to hype futurists.—Hamburguesa con queso con un cara
(talk • stalk) 21:52, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Writing quality[edit]
The overall quality of writing in this article is extremely poor when compared to other RW articles. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:32, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Great. Make it better GrammarCommie! Thanks!!! ShabiDOO 20:47, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I myself am not interested in talking about his assholish behavior. --It's-a me,
LeftyGreenMario! 20:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Shabidoo I know very little about Musk, and am not sure I want to change that. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- Content is not the only thing you can do. Rewriting some of the text, correcting grammar, cutting out the padding, finding copyright images, add a bit of snark. And as for content, you'd be surprised how little time it takes to read up on him and add a thing or two. I knew very little about him as well. And you don't have to just look up the stupid shit he does or says. It could use a little more of his biography which you can easily find reliable sources for and give a brief overview. ShabiDOO 21:52, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Shabidoo I know very little about Musk, and am not sure I want to change that. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:18, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
- I myself am not interested in talking about his assholish behavior. --It's-a me,
Hey, folks! I think the section on his business ventures could expand. His electric cars and space capsules have been receiving a lot of attention recently. Nerd (talk) 21:58, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Non sequitur?[edit]
Under the batshit crazy section it mentions substance abuse and goes on to say he smoked weed on a podcast. Went to find said smoking on Youtube, apparently Joe Rogan offered it to him, whereupon Musk made doubly sure it was legal to smoke it, tried it briefly, and went on to proclaim he never smokes weed. What am I missing here, is smoking weed the aforementioned substance abuse? Are we trying to say that smoking this weed was a bad thing? (Also, he seemed like a genuinely nice and caring person in that short part of the podcast I watched, but that's just an aside thing I noticed, not really relevant since we are trying to find what the bad things about him are.) Oh, btw, this is the bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DasnKpMyQ8 Right in the first minute is where he smokes. Feel free to use as citation. 171.33.193.245 (talk) 16:52, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- The substance abuse refers to taking both stimulants and transquilizers to work 20 hour days and try and sleep 4 hours. He admitted this. The pot smoking online, in itself is not a big deal (though a CEO doing that is disconcerting for investors), doing it while you're already stuck in several controversies sets off some red flags. He likely is a pleasant guy to be around, however he has tweeted some very awful stuff, multiple times, about several people and issues and won't back down from it. It is an interesting contrast with his otherwise near Mesiah image (which may deserved to some extent). ShabiDOO 22:05, 11 September 2018 (UTC)
- Fair enough. May be good to put this clarification you provided in the article itself, maybe with a citation to where he admitted it, but by no means are you obligated to do so. 171.33.193.245 (talk) 14:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Up in smoke[edit]
Is his future so doing? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 17:20, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
- He's still a millionaireDoublethink (talk) 04:17, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Elon[edit]
Really sad that he lost his mind. He was a visionary.Doublethink (talk) 04:08, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Bullshit[edit]
@Nerd While some of it may have been redundant, there's no need to delete the snarky aspects of the article. This is RW, not Wikipedia. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 19:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Having two sections on his questionable accusation of pedophilia is redundant to me. Furthermore, there is a difference between reasoned criticism and downright bashing. The former we do; the latter we avoid. Nerd (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Really? Bashing counts as snark, and frankly, Elon deserves it. Besides, RW has always been open to bashing, it's called "snark" for a reason. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 19:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, really. Verbal attacks are not OK. (We are better than him, no?) Instead of throwing vitriol at him, why not dissect the things he has said and done? This is a place for rational thought, not hit pieces. Nerd (talk) 19:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- There's no reason to not make it funny while doing so. Other than that I`m not disinclined to disagree with you. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 20:17, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Ah, but snark or humor to some is offensive or over the top to others. So let's be careful. We do not want to give the impression that we are some sort of angry blog.
- You are not disinclined to disagree with me. A triple negative is a negative. Care to explain what the problems are in your view? Nerd (talk) 21:55, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- There's no reason to not make it funny while doing so. Other than that I`m not disinclined to disagree with you. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 20:17, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, really. Verbal attacks are not OK. (We are better than him, no?) Instead of throwing vitriol at him, why not dissect the things he has said and done? This is a place for rational thought, not hit pieces. Nerd (talk) 19:42, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Really? Bashing counts as snark, and frankly, Elon deserves it. Besides, RW has always been open to bashing, it's called "snark" for a reason. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 19:32, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
I disagree. Just because it has always been that way does not mean we should continue. I consider it my mission here to bring in as many relevant facts and and as much nuance as possible, leaving aside the opinions. Readers can certainly think for themselves. Some light humor is totally fine. But abuse is a different story. Furthermore, there is very little difference between your revision and mine. Nerd (talk) 22:02, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- You're free to disagree, but don't go deleting content just because you don't like it, there must be a more valid reason than personal feelings regarding snarky humor. This isn't Wikipedia. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 22:04, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- I don't like the big chunk I deleted because it is redundant. We do not need two sections on allegations of pedophilia. Nor do we need loaded language. Nerd (talk) 22:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, I agree with deleting the redundant sections of the article, but I disagree on removing the loaded language. This isn't Wikipedia. — Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 22:10, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- I don't like the big chunk I deleted because it is redundant. We do not need two sections on allegations of pedophilia. Nor do we need loaded language. Nerd (talk) 22:07, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
- In any case, thank you for the respectful conversation. I appreciate it. We should have more of the same around here. Nerd (talk) 22:18, 23 December 2018 (UTC)
Delete or write a real page[edit]
All Musk has to do with Hyperloop is publishing a PDF stating that it is possible. It's definitely not the only thing he does, so it seems unfair to redirect him there. It's as if somebody looked for anything bad about him. At most it could be mentioned as reverse stopped clock. — Unsigned, by: 62.245.80.77 / talk / contribs Requesting thread archival (why?) Plutocow (talk)
how the fuck could he win?[edit]
when nothing he said about Unsworth was remotely true, and when accusations of this type ruin lives. AMassiveGay (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
- becaues he was tried in Silicon Valley, it's a statistical impossibility to find five people in Silicon Valley and have absolutely none of them be insane Musk cultists who think he's the messiah and can do no wrong and would never under any circumstances vote to convict him.
- Speaking of which how is Musk not classified as a libertarian wingnut and how is there no section on his insane cult of personality at this point? 76.126.165.152 (talk)
Pyramidology[edit]
See variously on the net. Anna Livia (talk) 20:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
On wanting to launch your own astronauts being “nationalist”[edit]
I question the wisdom of ever insisting that we rely on just one launch vehicle to get humans into orbit. But after February 24, 2022, the folly of believing that we wanted to develop our own solely because of “nationalism” should be obvious. So I took the liberty of removing the offending statement from the article. 2600:1006:B142:B24D:69BC:AC32:3109:7845 (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2022 (UTC)A
- Uh what's going on? --Andrew5 (talk) 21:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Is it not obvious? The war in Ukraine and its consequences like massive sanctions? 2600:1700:38E0:A040:5DA4:774:7389:4DA3 (talk) 20:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC) A on a different computer
Ukraine War[edit]
This article needs an update for what Elon has done in Ukraine. While he had semi-legendary status in Ukraine due to providing internet through Starlink, he has pretty much pissed away all goodwill when he proposed a "peace treaty" that had straight-up Russian propaganda and screamed "I looked up the Ukrainian conflict on Wikipedia for 5 minutes so now I'm a foreign policy expert." --Anti-Putinist Action (talk) 18:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
"Sociopathy" -_-[edit]
Can we please refrain from making an ASPD diagnosis for this person? He is (self-admittedly) autistic, and blindly labeling him a sociopath will only serve to further the stigma towards those who suffer from autism and personality disorders. There is no evidence that he is a " narcissistic sociopath" anyway. Where are the reliable sources? What if he's just a rich asshole?. This is page is nothing more than armchair psychology until we hear from his psychiatrist or whatever. Something needs to be done about this section. To even speculate what his psychopathology is based just on watching him on television (and two unreliable sources with a hate boner for him) is completely offensive and inappropriate. Don't act like you know his neurodivergencies more than he does.--RadicalRadish (talk) 04:59, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Sociopathy isn't interchangeable with ASPD. For the record, you can be narcissistic without having narcissistic personality disorder. Personality disorders exist on the extreme manifestation of personality traits that interfere with one's ability to maintain healthy social and occupational relationships. Not every descriptor of a personality with negative connotations is a diagnostic label or a product of neurodiversity. - Only Sort of Dumb (talk) 06:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC).
- You didnt directly address my argument. The concern was not the narcissistic part alone, I put loads of emphasis on the Sociopath side of things. Sociopathy and ASPD are interchangeable terms BTW. The term sociopath has always referred to people with the neurodiversity, healthline says so, googling sociopath will show you the wiki page for ASPD, and even our own wiki states that people diagnosed with ASPD are often called sociopaths. With that said I still stand with the notion that this section needs a makeover. It is unethical to speculate and suggest the mental health disorders of real people, especially if its being done so to put a person in a negative light... Its just very ableist especially since mental health diagnosis were originally made to harm those who were different. We arent mental health professionals, the youtube video cited as a source suggesting Elon Musk is a sociopath wasnt made by a mental health professional, and even if we were its unlikely any of us are professionally examining Elon Musk one-on-one.--RadicalRadish (talk) 09:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- OSD has a degree in psychology, and as a clinical diagnosis ASPD is not equivalent to sociopathy, which as a term is medically disparaged. That being said I otherwise agree with you, although Elon is still a miserable pile of shit. Vee (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- This is a wiki for thinking people, right? Here's something to consider for you: The fact that he let Trump and other assholes return to Twitter also means that he's now able to say "You're fired!" to them as well. (As I added to the article.) I wouldn't say that's out of question for the future... People who still think Trump was playing 5D chess are wrong of course, but in Elon's case I'm not so sure. - And I agree with Radish about (see above).--Max Sinister (talk) 06:02, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
- OSD has a degree in psychology, and as a clinical diagnosis ASPD is not equivalent to sociopathy, which as a term is medically disparaged. That being said I otherwise agree with you, although Elon is still a miserable pile of shit. Vee (talk) 09:49, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
- You didnt directly address my argument. The concern was not the narcissistic part alone, I put loads of emphasis on the Sociopath side of things. Sociopathy and ASPD are interchangeable terms BTW. The term sociopath has always referred to people with the neurodiversity, healthline says so, googling sociopath will show you the wiki page for ASPD, and even our own wiki states that people diagnosed with ASPD are often called sociopaths. With that said I still stand with the notion that this section needs a makeover. It is unethical to speculate and suggest the mental health disorders of real people, especially if its being done so to put a person in a negative light... Its just very ableist especially since mental health diagnosis were originally made to harm those who were different. We arent mental health professionals, the youtube video cited as a source suggesting Elon Musk is a sociopath wasnt made by a mental health professional, and even if we were its unlikely any of us are professionally examining Elon Musk one-on-one.--RadicalRadish (talk) 09:46, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Elon musk is openly a white supremacist now.[edit]
https://twitter.com/Wilson__Valdez/status/1655398486232244224 — Unsigned, by: 2601:281:D880:DED0:8CB7:B2BC:B49A:3041 / talk / contribs Requesting thread archival (why?) Plutocow (talk)
Emerald Mines[edit]
Should we mention something about this? He's denying that his family became rich from those mines and offered 1 Mil. Dogecoin, if anyone could show him any proof. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 17:08, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- If you have sufficient proof...--Max Sinister (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
HE'S FINALLY STEPPING DOWN![edit]
https://abcnews.go.com/Business/elon-musk-chosen-new-twitter-ceo-step-weeks/story?id=99265576 — Unsigned, by: 2601:281:d880:ded0:24e7:3603:7c1e:2bfe / talk / contribs
- Sort of. He's brought in Linda Yaccarino, former head of advertising at NBCUniversal. Musk will remain executive chairman and CTO.
- It'll be interesting to see exactly what this means. Twitter certainly has an "advertising problem" at least on the Western side, reportedly by all means a self-inflicted problem post-Musk due to the increased prominence of 4chan-like edgelord crapola (that Musk himself seems to fancy and promote for some reason). This of course leads to an unsafe environment for brands to promote anything (I mean, we all know that advertisers would run like hell away from 4Chan if they ever fancied to put themselves in that position). Thus entertainment platforms fully engaged in activity brands don't find "safe" tend to have more "leftover" advertisers, which tend to be scummy and scammy (MLM scams; "oh noes currency fears!" scams, which on the old fart networks like Fox News is gold, but on Twitter is cryptocurrency; shady dietary supplements, and the like.) These small shady companies probably don't pay well.
- (I know American right-wingers -- well, the "I like to shitpost" 13-year-old boy right-wingers, that is -- like to frame the resulting clampdown on major social media (meaning you can't engage in such concepts as "hate speech" and "violent speech" and the like, oh noes!) as "oh noes they're violating mah free speech!". Which is bogus. The same pressures with advertiser driven social media apply to other things. THE PORN, for instance, which is why many social networks don't allow it at all. Youtube's had several "advertisers flee for being placed in something offensive" scandals, and most of the scandals weren't American political at all -- the biggest ones I recall were CSAM or child inappropriate material, eg pedophile-suggestive material and "Elsagate
". It's basically all about "brand safety", just think in those terms.)
- At any rate, I don't think a new CEO with a background in advertising can solve this problem without clashing into Musk's terrible shitpost habit. He has to kick a bit of that for things to improve. BobJohnson (talk) 20:44, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- And they already hate her already, for being a member of the World Economic Forum, and some of them are now even turning on elon musk.— Unsigned, by: 2601:281:d880:ded0:24e7:3603:7c1e:2bfe / talk / contribs
[edit]
https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-virgin-islands-subpoenaed-elon-musk-jeffrey-epstein-litigation-2023-05-15/ 01:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC) — Unsigned, by: 2601:281:D880:DED0:B9BC:651E:E0F0:C5A3 / talk / contribs
- 'I did not take financial advice from him' VS 'I DID take Financial advice from him but JPMorgan still sucked' in the same tweet no less! https://twitter.com/bestofdyingtwit/status/1658307166602924032 2601:281:D880:DED0:B9BC:651E:E0F0:C5A3 (talk) 03:20, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
In case you ever needed more evidence that Elon musk is an anti-semite[edit]
https://twitter.com/rothschildmd/status/1666489810838773760 here you go! A somebody. (talk) 17:25, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Block feature removal[edit]
https://twitter.com/halomancer1/status/1666596261255053314?s=46&t=D7Oq_tW5cb3uXWCzhM6h6Q
Missional? Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 13:21, 8 June 2023 (UTC)
"Cis is a slur"[edit]
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1671370284102819841
Should this be mentioned? Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 12:37, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- While I'm not fan of covering Twitter drama, he owns Twitter and we cover his transphobia, so I'd say, yes. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 13:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
- It also fits with the hypocrisy of his self-declared "free speech absolutism", so I added it. BobJohnson (talk) 15:02, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
Eh...[edit]
It's Musk season again, I think. Anyway: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65981876?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-bbcnews&utm_content=later-36011852&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio
It's dumb and ridiculous, but is it worth mentioning that he and Zuckerberg are going to punch each other in the face? I mean, we have dumb stuff from Trump on Trump's page, dunno if this is missional for both this one and Zuckerberg's page (I think we have a page for Zuckerberg?). Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 18:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
- Nevermind, his Mom said no. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 12:48, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
SpaceX, Ukraine, and Joseph Starlink[edit]
Ukraine relies on Musk-controlled Starlink for military communication. Here's on how there's concerns in several governments about Musk's control, and how he personally meddles with how Starlink works, jeopardizing Ukraine's military operations at times and possibly more in the future. There's been earlier news as well, including in late 2022 of Musk trying to blackmail the US for more funds to keep Starlink available for Ukraine (with US, Poland, Ukraine, and other countries already paying most of the cost).[1]
Early this year, when Musk made decisions favoring the spread of Russian propaganda on Twitter, the meme of Musk being "Joseph Starlink" (with an edited version of a Soviet pro-Stalin propaganda poster) spread. Seems suitable to include if/when Musk and Starlink is expanded on. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 20:26, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- I will remove that image if you add it to the article. A somebody. (talk) 23:01, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
- I'd propose its use with a caption like "Meme image from early 2023 criticizing Musk's pandering to Putin while in charge of Starlink." --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 08:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
A little more on this. Maybe, just like content on the Ukraine war in general, it will be best to flesh out content on this later, with more said and done and settled. "Elon Musk considered pulling plug on Ukraine’s Starlink access after ‘great conversation with Putin’" Ukraine is making at least some effort to diversify to rely less on Musk.[2]
A different problem with Starlink, also important and worth mentioning, is that it interferes with astronomical observations. In 2019.[3] In 2023.[4] The second link mentions that other private satellite companies are also a problem in recent times, though SpaceX's Starlink seems to be getting more focus, maybe because it makes such a large (negative) difference in this regard in a short time. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 08:23, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
- I agree and I think we should mention all of this, but we absolutely shouldn't fucking use that god-awful image. A somebody. (talk) 21:09, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
The Bank of Musk[edit]
https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/26/23934216/x-twitter-bank-elon-musk-2024
Sounds perfect for his page. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 11:01, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
Biography[edit]
That new biography about him seems to reveal a lot that was previously unknown. Chillpilled (talk) 19:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
Hold on. What the hell?[edit]
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2022/05/the-strange-and-terrifying-ideas-of-neoreactionaries
https://www.livescience.com/62518-rococos-basilisk-elon-musk-grimes.html
Was RationalWiki seriously one of the key links in a string of events that led to Musk's Twitter acquisition? Is this a joke? Chillpilled (talk) 22:29, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
Best known for?[edit]
Our intro states " But he is best known for his S3XY electric vehicles and his "plans" to colonise Mars".
I am not sure this is true. I have never heard of the "S3XY electric vehicle" (by that name) and I'd say he is currently a lot better known for his Twitter purchase than he is for his Mars nonsense. But other Musk-watchers may know better than me.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 09:21, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- That line was certainly written a few years ago. It might also still be true. But I wouldn't count on it. Chillpilled (talk) 09:38, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- The "S3XY" stands for Tesla's models: Tesla Model S, Tesla Model 3, Tesla Model X, and Tesla Model Y. Musk is also known for being an eternal 13 year old boy, so yes, this "naming convention" was deliberate, and in fact was spoiled somewhat by Ford having a trademark on Model E. BobJohnson (talk) 18:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- So - he's really best known for producing the "S3XY electric vehicles" rather than the "Tesla car"? :-) Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 18:13, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
- The "S3XY" stands for Tesla's models: Tesla Model S, Tesla Model 3, Tesla Model X, and Tesla Model Y. Musk is also known for being an eternal 13 year old boy, so yes, this "naming convention" was deliberate, and in fact was spoiled somewhat by Ford having a trademark on Model E. BobJohnson (talk) 18:10, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
Speaking of which, the page doesn't seem to mention the Cybertruck thing. Chillpilled (talk) 07:27, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- The what? Carthage (talk) 11:16, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
- Musk is probably at least as well known for his weird Cybertruck as he is for Mars shot.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 15:23, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
Antisemitism[edit]
For the record he apologized for that one tweet. I only learned about this not too long ago, but apparently he did back in Nov. 2023. Between that and all the damage-control he's been up to I don't even know. Has he bought back some plausible deniability at this point? I realize he may have shown his hand. But I'm also of the view it may be wise to give people some room, not to pigeonhole them into their worst positions. It's not that he never apologized for a tweet before this one either; he did for the Paul Pelosi conspiracy theory. Chillpilled (talk) 00:23, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
- I've changed the lead section to reflect this a bit, and also added a section on his natalism. I think his eugenic-natalism actually has non-conspiratorial explanatory value as to why he was more flexible, apologizing to Jewish people, but not black people considering what is basically his expressed prejudice against both. He sees Jews and Asians as being moreso "high-IQ model minorities", perhaps he believes there's a genetic factor to that, and from this he likes them more and wants them to reproduce. However it's tricky, because he also showed sympathy for the idea that basically, a lot of Jews don't agree with his eugenic-natalism (not that there could be any sort of historic reason for that). Then he apologized, but then this could also have been essentially just PR. Chillpilled (talk) 11:29, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
Tesla and SpaceX.[edit]
There is a problem with this article as it currently stands, and that problem is that there is too much focus on the various twitter bullshit and nearly no focus on the bullshit at his other companies, Tesla and SpaceX, for example the racism, sexism, the disregard for safety regulations, and regulations in general. A somebody. (talk) 21:40, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
Pro-Slavery tweet[edit]
I don't think anyone is surprised about this by now. Was posted on the Discord by Chill and I didn't see it here yet, so. Arcadium Trancefer (talk) 12:18, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
general discrimination at his companies.[edit]
Given that Tesla has recently settled a racial discrimination lawsuit, it seems odd that the article makes no mention of the various types of discrimination at his companies, except maybe Xitter. A somebody. (talk) 22:15, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
Government subsidies,[edit]
Given his new role I guess that some mention should be made of the massive government subsidies and pay-out he has received.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 06:52, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Kekius Maximus[edit]
Whatever next? ('Wide eyed innocence') Anna Livia (talk) 15:50, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Do we include nicknames that this dipshit gives himself? Carthage (talk) 15:51, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- And, given his new logo - it should be 'Rana Maximus' (or possibly Bufonem Maximus). Anna Livia (talk) 15:57, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- We should state in no uncertain terms that this makes him likely some variety of racist. Pepe the frog is a known white supremacist hate symbol. Kadashova (talk) 00:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- Lord knows why he wanted to try to play Mr. 4chan "meme God wannabe" today.
- I took a peek over at 4chan (where the "MAGA civil war" is still in full effect), most of them aren't buying it at all. BobJohnson (talk) 00:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- This is a claim from the ADL, who said it's only a far-right symbol in certain contexts. Chillpilled (talk) 06:57, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think that when "kek" is accompanied by a Pepe the Frog meme[5] it's safe to say he's outing himself as a Nazi. That he's nicknamed himself as "Kekius Maximus" with himself on a throne, would seem to indicate that he positioned himself as emperor of Kekistan. The new nickname/meme caused a flood of alt-right kek-based memecoins, followed by an immediate crash after he removed the nickname/meme. Some Nazi sucker reportedly lost $1 million.[6] Bongolian (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- It would be worth covering this latest pump and dump, I think, but crypto is outside of my wheelbarrow. Carthage (talk) 11:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- There was a suggestion in using the Pepe meme he was actually mocking the Groyper Army accounts he banned, as if he'd scalped them and taken their skins for himself. Otherwise I'm aware the frog memes are widespread in cryptocurrency communities, Twitch streams, etc. these days. Chillpilled (talk) 22:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- I think that when "kek" is accompanied by a Pepe the Frog meme[5] it's safe to say he's outing himself as a Nazi. That he's nicknamed himself as "Kekius Maximus" with himself on a throne, would seem to indicate that he positioned himself as emperor of Kekistan. The new nickname/meme caused a flood of alt-right kek-based memecoins, followed by an immediate crash after he removed the nickname/meme. Some Nazi sucker reportedly lost $1 million.[6] Bongolian (talk) 08:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
While we're on the topic of his nicknames, @A somebody. reinstated "The Boer" nickname that I had removed. There are two problems with that: 1) I could not find anyone using that nickname for him other than us. 2) He is not actually a Boer by South African standards (old Dutch ancestry): his mother's family came from Canada and his father's family came from England, which can be confirmed in Walter Isaacson's biography of Musk. Bongolian (talk) 18:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)
- 'Errol Musk's paternal grandmother was descended from the Dutch Free Burghers.[1]' -From Wikipedia, also The Boer, Space Karen, and Elmo are the only Nicknames people USE for him. A somebody. (talk) 01:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's nice but it's still the case that no one refers to him as "The Boer". The 1/4-Boer Musk? It's ridiculous. Bongolian (talk) 05:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nobody refers to him as Ted Faro, Chief Twit, Elongated Muskrat, Kekius Maximus, either, and yet they are still listed. Also People DO call him Boer as an Insult. A somebody. (talk) 23:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- Perhaps, but you have yet to show a single citation to that effect. Bongolian (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Going into this further than I had wanted… The parents of Musk's purported Boer grandfather, Walter Henry James Musk, were Harry Musk and Lucy Frances Champion.[7] Harry Musk was born in England.[8] Lucy Frances Champion was the child of John Irish Champion and Jacoba Louïza Theron.[9] Where her parents were born is not listed on the FamilySearch genealogy site, but Champion is either an English or Norman surname (not Dutch),[10] and Theron
is an Occitan surname (southern France). Musk seems to be definitely not Boer. Bongolian (talk) 03:41, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia said it was Errol musk's paternal grandmother, you need to go up a generation. Also here are people on Twitter dot Com calling Elon musk The Boer https://x.com/Jackson61689330/status/1786633494094922034 https://x.com/per0vskite/status/1850049446492635498 https://x.com/TheSonicShr00m/status/1874091795078144162 just a few examples. A somebody. (talk) 03:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- The Wikipedia article does indeed say that, but the article it cites in The Times is completely irrelevant, not mentioning anything about his genealogy, Boers or Dutch Free Burghers.[11] Musk's paternal grandmother was Cora Amelia Robinson, born in Liverpool, England.[12] Three anonymous jackasses on Twitter does not impress. It doesn't even show up in Urban Dictionary.[13] Don't bother telling me about "Space Boer"; it only has 7 likes and no cites.[14] Bongolian (talk) 08:15, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia said it was Errol musk's paternal grandmother, you need to go up a generation. Also here are people on Twitter dot Com calling Elon musk The Boer https://x.com/Jackson61689330/status/1786633494094922034 https://x.com/per0vskite/status/1850049446492635498 https://x.com/TheSonicShr00m/status/1874091795078144162 just a few examples. A somebody. (talk) 03:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Going into this further than I had wanted… The parents of Musk's purported Boer grandfather, Walter Henry James Musk, were Harry Musk and Lucy Frances Champion.[7] Harry Musk was born in England.[8] Lucy Frances Champion was the child of John Irish Champion and Jacoba Louïza Theron.[9] Where her parents were born is not listed on the FamilySearch genealogy site, but Champion is either an English or Norman surname (not Dutch),[10] and Theron
- Perhaps, but you have yet to show a single citation to that effect. Bongolian (talk) 03:13, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Nobody refers to him as Ted Faro, Chief Twit, Elongated Muskrat, Kekius Maximus, either, and yet they are still listed. Also People DO call him Boer as an Insult. A somebody. (talk) 23:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
- That's nice but it's still the case that no one refers to him as "The Boer". The 1/4-Boer Musk? It's ridiculous. Bongolian (talk) 05:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)
You cited fucking Reddit and a fucking fandom wiki for Ted Faro. A somebody. (talk) 17:07, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- The Ted Faro nick was added by a BoN. I'd support removing it personally. The nickname does not seem to have any currency except among fans of the game Horizon Zero Dawn. BobJohnson (talk) 23:00, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
Nigel Farage[edit]
Now dislikes Elon Musk. Anna Livia (talk) 00:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Musk says Farage 'doesn't have what it takes' to be Reform UK leader, BBC. Did this have anything to do with it? Zachary353 (talk)
- Looks like they have different opinions about fascist thug Tommy Robinson.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:16, 6 January 2025 (UTC)