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Why the edit revert?

Hi there, Could you please let me know why you reverted my edits to ? If you look at the edits I made, you'll see that all of them added to the accuracy of the article and removed unfounded claims like "He and Tulsi have been running a string of "nonprofits" for a while." (the citation is one article in which a single nonprofit is mentioned, and that nonprofit is an actual nonprofit, no quotation marks) or "Tulsi claims to have distanced herself from her father's politics, but her staff and supporters are straight out of the original anti-gay group." (Two of the articles are from 2004, before Tulsi distanced herself, and the other two articles make no mention of her staff being anti-gay. There's also no conclusive evidence that her supporters are largely anti-gay.)

Please take another look at my edits, or at least tell me why they were reverted so that I could try again while avoiding those mistakes.


--Mirek (talk) 15:42, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Tulsi was busy being anti-LGBT (and anti trans) only a few months ago, and this sudden apology and "support" is literally just for her campaign. There is nothing wrong with the article as written. — Dysk (contribs) 16:22, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Could you cite some primary sources to that fact? She has a stellar voting record when in comes to LGBTQ rights, with the Human Rights Campaign giving her a perfect score of 100 for her last term in Congress, and mentioned the importance of LGBTQ equality in her campaign launch speech.
Either way, whether she said something anti-LGBT recently is not relevant to this conversation, as that particular claim was never in the article I edited. I'm all for exposing the negatives about Tulsi or anyone else for that matter, but the article contains a number of unsubstantiated claims as well as some straight-out lies (see my edit history as well as the comments for each edit; I mention 2 of these claims above). I hope you'll agree with me that it's important to stick to factual information here rather than resorting to slander and lies, as the current article does in some instances. If you have first-hand evidance of anti-LGBT statements from Tulsi, feel free to add them to the article. Either way, please revert my edits (and feel free to fact-check them).
--Mirek (talk) 19:31, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
I'd really appreciate it if you replied to my comments. As stated before, I'm not against criticism against Gabbard, but that criticism should be fair and founded in facts. My edits, if you take a look at them and the sources behind them, were simply about removing lies from the article. (If you take a look at the talk page for the article, you'll see a number of people have expressed that the article reads like a hitpiece, although they refer to edits at various points in time.) If you'd like well-researched arguments against Tulsi, this video goes over a few (both pros and cons): , with an addendum at . I don't want to start an edit war over this, but if you don't reply to my comments, I plan to add my edits back.
--Mirek (talk) 16:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Mirek ok hang on and I will take another look at it. — Dysk (contribs) 16:10, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Thanks :) --Mirek (talk) 18:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for the edits! --Mirek (talk) 18:25, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


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Is it OK

If people edit your drafts? RoninMacbeth (talk) 12:51, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

RoninMacbeth It sure is, they are only drafts because I don't consider them finished enough to have in mainspace yet. Add whatever you like. Dysklyver (talk) 13:28, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Message from the RationalWiki Ministry of Demotion and Personal Impediment

Dear Dysklyver,

We regret to inform you that you have been demoted to the rank of sysop. You have been granted a mop and bucket for the purposes of cleaning up the mess around here.

No questions are allowed. If you have any further questions, (further questions are permissible) please refer to the enclosed pamphlet So you are now a sysop.

At your leisure, please go to the dungeon Room 202 to see the reward mops and hammers you can work towards having!

--RWRW (talk) 00:19, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

So... why are you so blocked from Wikimedia projects?

Is it just because you socked a lot? —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 01:27, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

I stood for their Arbcom election. Got blocked. Evaded with a new account. Got banned. Evaded that with a succession of accounts. Got globally locked. — Dysk (contribs) 08:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
I don't hang around Wikipedia, but... is "Arbcom" the arbitration committee? What does that actually do, and why were you blocked the first time? Just curious. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 10:59, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee is sort of a coop/mods combi. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee. I got blocked because well, this:
Stop icon
You have been blocked indefinitely from editing per the consensus and your own consent here.
After 6 months you can apply for the block to be lifted, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.
This was of course later replaced with a ban. — Dysk (contribs) 11:37, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
There's so much bureaucracy there I can hardly make out what the issue is... is it just that you were doing some things they didn't like? Regardless, just try not to cause trouble around here eh? —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 11:45, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
The nub of the issue is basically that some topics are sacred. (I nominated some biscuits for deletion and some administrators did not approve). It is amazing how much bureaucracy it took to get rid of me from that point onwards. Made much harder by the whole Arbcom election bureaucracy, and the ongoing attempt to out-wikilawyer a lawyer. — Dysk (contribs) 12:28, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Indent your first replies

Multiple times now, you've responded to a post without indenting. You know how to do it, so do it please :) —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 12:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Do not encourage vandalism

Unless it is a link to your account, you should remove the "Click here to vandalise!!!" link on your user page. CowHouse (talk) 04:22, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Hey little buddies!

@Kingdamian1 I'm still waiting for that Florida Department of Agriculture to come and get me at the Miami airport that you think I'm located at! I'm sitting here in my boiler room watching Dexter, waiting for Adam Putnam's swat team to take me down. Fucktards.... ZombiesRComing (talk) 21:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Yeah I gave up on that when I realized that Miami was the wrong place. Chill. — Dysk (contribs) 22:13, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Tables are bad

Not the colours so much, but if it all works properly I see no reason I couldn't push your mockup to the actual main page. Death to table-based layout! —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 05:37, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

@Kazitor It should all work, most of it is inspired by the main page at Wikipedia and various portals I did there. — Dysk (contribs) 10:09, 14 September 2018 (UTC)

Nominating everyone ain't great

I know free and fair elections, but you should seriously only nominate people you would be okay with modding you. I can't take words from your mouth, or deny you the chance to pick users you personally feel are appropriate, but I caution against your choice. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:24, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Well you never know, the good candidates might forget to accept the nominations and let... well I did try and pick a fair representation of loons... um, better make sure the most sensible candidates are running eh. — Dysk (contribs) 02:57, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
"a fair representation of loons" I hope I'm not considered to be one of these loons :p --RWRW (talk) 03:03, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
I was on the fence until I saw your propaganda, really the main loon category includes "Fake news", the Grand RW Judge (who my have problem accepting the nomination due to being blocked) and my sockpuppet, etc. — Dysk (contribs) 03:07, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
You should also inform nominees on their talk page with {{modnotice}} CowHouse (talk) 03:04, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
ya, will do. — Dysk (contribs) 03:07, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
Done. Although it might seem like a nominated everyone, I really haven't and there is still room to seek out and nominate a few more. — Dysk (contribs)

I already know...

... About my nomination. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:21, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

A word of Thanks

I want to thank you for nominating me for a moderator spot in the election. I don't know where you place me on the spectrum between the competent and the catastrophic, nevertheless I quite enjoyed the mention. Thanks again, Ariel31459 (talk) 02:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)


HardWork.jpg Tireless Worker Award
For ingenuity beyond the call of duty
For overseeing the 2001 moderator elections.

Thanks, Cosmikdebris (talk) 00:33, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Seconded. And for your work overseeing the RMF board election. --RWRW (talk) 00:49, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
Hey thanks :) Also good to see the time travel going on here :D — Dysk (contribs) 10:10, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
And just for looking into the possibility of making the Hoydaze templates timezoe sensitive, I think I owe you this. And, of course, thanks for everything you're doing on that other wiki. Spud (talk) 12:25, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

My Essay

Hi there Dysklyver thanks for adding to my essay. You wrote basically exactly what I would have said.Doublethink (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

Why did you revert my topic?

That was rude. (talk) 00:45, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Reversion of comment on Tech Support page

Seriously, what the hell? Was it a mistake?--Don Juan (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, shit. Brain fart on my part. Just saw the edit summary. Still, I recommend keeping the [redacted] in place with auto[redacted] enabled.--Don Juan (talk) 16:06, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
Yes no worries. The best thing would probably be to rewrite the comment minus the bit I was complaining about. — Dysk (contribs) 16:07, 4 December 2018 (UTC)


Harrassment no. Ban evasion and trolling yes. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:09, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Harassment yes, crosswiki. See wikipedia:User:JaySmith2018, wikipedia:simple:User:Vermont/Reports/JRS, wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JaySmith2018/Archive etc. Affected users are registered here. — Dysk (contribs) 18:21, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Activity in other wikis don't qualify. Focus the scope on this wiki. Permaban is inappropriate. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 20:35, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
this is one of their esteemed contributions to this wiki earlier. I have unblocked, but am completely convinced they will be a complete pain in the proverbials and be permabanned by someone else for something else later, as they have before. Indeed I am pretty certain the only reason they are here is as a wind-up... — Dysk (contribs) 20:57, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
I would agree to a short-term block. Three days block is fine for me, and the user can spend the rest of its numbered days in the vandal bin. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 23:20, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

About that guy...


Come to any conclusions about it yet? I don't want to be too hasty, it might be him turning over a new leaf, or a potential new editor who has nothing to do with EIK. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 11:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

The normal spam has a distinct pattern, and this doesn't match it and no further similar spam has appeared. I think it is just a Fun:Elvis Presley fan who could maybe be a contributor, although his stated aim "to share with others some facts/collections about Elvis that are rare and ... cool" may not be particularly missional. And the whole thing could have just been a joke, given that he didn't reappear. I think we just leave it go and worry about it if he comes back and adds Elvis facts to every single article. :D — Dysk (contribs) 13:15, 19 December 2018 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for the sysop status! --TheUmbilicalCordGuy (talk) 22:08, 23 December 2018 (UTC)


Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!
You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Somebody just wants to let you know you did something silly.

For handing Trolly McTrollface a Mop --RWRW (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2019 (UTC)

Actually you can Trout me, I just realised it wasn't you. --RWRW (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
I think we should both trout the Don! — Dysk (contribs) 22:53, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
OH! So this is where you guys plotted your evil plan! You going to be robbing banks next? Who will put a stop to this madness!? WHO!? Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 00:16, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Aye, maybe this place was too public for conspiring. That isn't a bad idea, the best thing about bank robbery is you don't have to pay tax on the money you 'earn'. --RWRW (talk) 15:26, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
There's always the Cabal to do your evil plotting, of which there is none. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 16:27, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
There is no cabal. — Dysk (contribs) 17:25, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
Only a member of the Cabal would say there is no Cabal. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 00:38, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm not LogicNSuch

I just thought you'd enjoy having this clarified for you. Guffer (talk) 18:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)


You should really archive some of the shit here, page is getting clunky. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 16:23, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Will consider it, but may also go for a EEng style page... — Dysk (contribs)


Hey thanks for unblocking me, but I see you said I am "dodgy". Why do you say that? You can checkuser my account and you will see I am editing from (redacted), other than that, I don't know why you would say that, but I am sorry if I did something wrong. Public School Girl (talk) 18:24, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

We say that because other supposed "high school students" have turned out to be nothing more than mere trolls, you are suspect because of that. Don't be a troll, and you won't be suspect. On another note, to not have yourself become suspect, I suggest you request a name chance, @Public School Girl. Judging from the comments you've left behind, I`m starting to suspect you're legitimate, but I`m still cautious regardless. Ɖøn Ĵuan To Harass and Intimidate 18:34, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Oh. I totally get that. I'm not going to lie, my freshman year I vandalized a bunch of pages on Wikipedia, and I kind of feel bad about it, but that was four years ago. I will try to think of something to change the name to, but I have to go for now because the bell is about to ring. Public School Girl (talk) 18:49, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
At first glance it looked the spambots were doing their thing again, your userpage is so similar to what they use. I half expected links to diet pill sites to be added immediately when I unblocked. Anyway, enjoy your stay. — Dysk (contribs) 20:28, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

For creating that account to prevent imposters. My original name on this wiki is the one I`m using now, I decided to go back to the old one, got tired of the new one. Palaeonictis Fossil beds 15:30, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense. :) — Dysk (contribs) 15:31, 31 January 2019 (UTC)


Why did you ban Robert for πxinfinity. It didn't look like he did anything wrong? Commie Lib (talk) 23:54, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Imho it's an alt of the guy that was supposed to have gone away by now. If they post angry messages on their talk page complaining then maybe it can be looked at again. — Dysk (contribs) 00:28, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Commie Lib (talk) 00:37, 13 February 2019 (UTC)


Could you give me some tips on what to change about the TFL page? Riptohelsinway (talk) 04:26, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

I would suggest either the expand it as a page, or to merge it as suggested on the AfD, in which case it could be a redirect. — Dysk (contribs) 10:22, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
So the main problem with the page is that its too short? Riptohelsinway (talk) 23:49, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Too short/insufficient content, not enough depth to the topic put forward. — Dysk (contribs) 23:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Is the article ready for mainspace yet? I expanded it: Draft:TFLism. Riptohelsinway (talk) 16:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
It's an improvement, but I feel like it is still in need of expansion. I think maybe further analysis of some of the key figures could help. Also archive links to relevant deleted content could be worth finding if possible, as the article has become a little short of citations now. — Dysk (contribs) 16:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Is it ok for me to move it to mainspace now? Riptohelsinway (talk) 19:58, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
Possibly. It may be worth getting a second opinion from someone who voted at AfD. — Dysk (contribs) 20:39, 21 February 2019 (UTC)


I find Nobs comment in the Saloon bar to be highly offensive, "Seroquel? 'Splains it all." Nobs appears to be bullying RationalZombie based on his stated medical condition. Why do you feel the need to un-collapse it? Bongolian (talk) 19:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, seriously, people get on me for being rude to people, but that shit is inhuman especially for someone who is clearly working on finding acceptance of their mental illness. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:55, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
So remove it, collapsing it makes it 1000% more visible and is well annoying, because people replied, etc. Collapsing should be done to an entire section/sub-section, or not at all. Habitually putting all of nobs comments into bright little boxes is not helping. — Dysk (contribs) 20:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
thats a lot of shit and removing comments in itsown right is problematic. collapsing means you can see what was said if you want while warning you not to engage with the twat. AMassiveGay (talk) 21:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Comments that amount to bullying are worthy of deletion in my view. Other things that are generically offensive are probably not unless they're directed at an editor (Holocaust denialism, sexism, racism). Bongolian (talk) 21:50, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
The community habitually rejects any policy to specifically deal with the problem of talk page etiquette. But collapsing every single comment made by nobs is not a satisfactory long term solution. I stand by the point that either you take the comment out of the thread and collapse it, or collapse the thread, or remove the comment. And that collapsing a single comment while leaving it in the thread is no good. — Dysk (contribs) 22:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you. This has been enlightening. I guess a discussion on prenatal screening for aborting a Down syndrome fetus would be inappropriate for the Saloon bar. nobs piss in my ear 02:23, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Trust me, you already know what everyone would say about it. — Dysk (contribs) 11:42, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Your Prediction

That Teresa May would be PM until Brexit day. I, uh, think you misspelled her name. Or are you saying that Teresa May the adult film star will be PM on Brexit day? RoninMacbeth (talk) 21:59, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Lul nope. — Dysk (contribs) 22:16, 14 February 2019 (UTC)


Man, some people like weird sex, don't be such a prude. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I like weird sex, but there are limits... — Dysk (contribs) 22:16, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
I don't like weird sex but that's a strange limit given current social mores. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 01:52, 16 February 2019 (UTC)


Why shouldn't there be an article about this? Mr Clean (talk) 19:50, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

You can make a draft if you like (eg. Draft:Defamation) but you are not getting away with starting a mainspace page on such a tricky subject with a two sentence stub where one of the sentences is factually wrong. — Dysk (contribs) 19:53, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
What was wrong? Mr Clean (talk) 20:06, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Dysklyver. I was Mr. Clean. Arcticos just blocked me indefinitely, and took away my talk page access. Is that normal? Can I not get a chance to respond to accusations? I have no idea why he did this. I was happy to cooperate with you in making the defamation article. I would have made a draft we could work on together. Ostwelt Spangler (talk) 11:17, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Righto so there is an ongoing vendetta between that guy and his socks and Abd and his socks and really I am not in the least bit surprised. If you want to write the article then by all means go ahead, but you may want to look into 47 U.S.C. § 230 and transnational law first before making such general statements about who is and isn't responsible for something based purely on geographic location. — Dysk (contribs) 11:55, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Yes I will certainly look into it. I am not this Abd guy. Maybe this Arcticos character should be a little less trigger happy. Ostwelt Spangler (talk) 11:57, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Cool :thumbs_up: — Dysk (contribs) 11:58, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Arcticos was wrong in blocking Mr Clean as a sock of Abd Lomax, but he was right in blocking that account. Mr Clean/Ostwelt Spangler is a sock-puppet of Michael Coombs (a friend of Lomax), and also a notorious sock-puppeteer. He was recently banned a few days ago on another sock, Radiant Orb. The "Ostwelt Spangler" account, is a reference to Oswald Spengler, one of Mike's heroes. Spengler's book "The Decline of the West" is an alt-right favourite. I can't prove any of these claims right now as so few edits have been done, but I will eventually be proved right. Mike will pretend to be normal for a while like he did on his Radiant Orb account, but sooner or later will reveal himself when he posts crude and obsessive racism. Jean (talk) 12:32, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Riiiiigggghhhtttttooooo — Dysk (contribs) 12:38, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Notorious sock-puppeteer? I feel the lady doth protest too much, and that all of these accounts are operated by the same person to create the illusion of support. I also notice someone has created another sock with a name similar to mine to cause disruption, to pin on me. Most likely the same individual behind this entire shit show. Any ideas who it is? Why is he even targeting me and accusing me of being all of his enemies? Does he have some kind of paranoid disorder? This is just bizarre. Ostwelt Spangler (talk) 12:48, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
I am feeling munificent so you have been unblocked for now despite the fact you unironically comment on the Atlantis elephants. — Dysk (contribs) 12:57, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Most munificent of you sir. *tips hat* I suppose I'm rather open minded, why shouldn't there have been elephants on Atlantis? They're good swimmers. I was looking through Arcticos's comments after he blocked me to try to work out why he would do that. I noticed he has an interest in Atlantis, which intrigued me, as it's not something I've looked into myself. Ostwelt Spangler (talk) 13:03, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── So my own view is that Atlantis was probably a real but fairly ordinary civilization located on Santorini. However I am aware that some people favour the idea that Atlantis was in Africa, which is where the elephants thing normally takes it. The myth of Atlantis is so overhyped that accurate study of it is difficult tbh. — Dysk (contribs) 13:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@Mikemikev (Ostwelt Spangler), cut the trolling: you do realise no one is being sued for writing RationalWiki articles? Lomax invented some fake news about people from OpenPsych/Kirkegaard suing over RationalWiki content and made some sockpuppet impersonations to create this drama. Are you that dumb you thought someone was actually suing? lol. Hence your stupid "defamation" article. There are no lawsuits over RW, nor is there any libel on any of those articles. You're a victim of Lomax's fake news. Absolute moron. I think you thought if OpenPsych did a lawsuit, you could somehow remove your article. Sorry, it's up for life Michael. I'll be sure to add more of your insane beliefs and Nazi/ANTIFA impersonations (since you seem to have a personality disorder pretending to be both) on the article later today.Arcticos (talk) 13:25, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Did you even read the defamation article? — Dysk (contribs) 13:34, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
You know, this person and their socks can at worst be accused of not understanding the difference between defamation (a legal charge) and disagreement (a basic right guaranteed in most countries under some form of free speech law). ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:51, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
@Dyskluver Yes, it was a few lines of crap and like you said mostly inaccurate. And "Twist Spanker" is Mikemikev's new sockpuppet. Once exposed as him, he quickly creates new accounts. Notice also these latest accounts appearing very recent fixate only with my edits - Atlantis and now UKIP... not suspicious (sarcasm).Arcticos (talk) 13:55, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
I am not in the least surprised given that you focus only on the same topics he does, that you are obsessed with finding his socks rather than waiting for them to say anything much, and that you are almost certainly filed under "sock of the smith bros" in Trolloland. I think you are doing a good job with the British politics articles, but when it comes to the trolls, be aware there is no practical limit to the number of accounts they can create, so there is little point blocking them early. — Dysk (contribs) 14:02, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
@Dyskluver we only focus on the same topics, since I influence Mikemikev. He can't think for himself and has been robbing my opinions and interests for past 6 years, he's like a puppy who follows me around. As an example, Mikemikev only became interested in UKIP after my influence and I started writing about them. Prior to me doing that, he attacked UKIP as "Zionists" and "Jewish-controlled" on Stormfront and Political Forum, but suddenly after I started writing about UKIP on wikis - he began supporting them on his Twitter and Gab accounts and tried to reinvent himself from a neo-Nazi to a populist. I don't support these type of parties (as can be seen in my edits - I've been heavily critical of UKIP), but basically where I influenced Mikemikev was showing him populists have a more sensible way of being anti-immigration that wins votes, rather than his Nazi type crackpottery that scares away the electorate.Arcticos (talk) 15:21, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Alas these parties do seem to generate that kind of support. It does seem to be sending them downhill though, as UKIP has literally devolved in xenophobic fuckdom now. Even Captain Farage has jumped ship, and you know what they say about rats and sinking ships... — Dysk (contribs) 19:01, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Right-wing populist parties have no ideological coherency beyond anti-EU and anti-immigration; once these two things are achieved, or adopted by mainstream parties as policies, their vote collapses. Also, most people who support these type of parties don't want to see them persist for a long period of time, but the mainstream parties to listen to them. I always knew UKIP's "purple revolution" was going to not last long.Arcticos (talk) 21:08, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Everything Arctico here writes is a lie. One of his smear tactics is to claim his opponent "changed his views" because of him. It make him feel powerful of something, idk. I still think Arctico's views are fucking retarded. I'm not playing "realpolitik", I'm not standing for election. Most importantly I can't be fired. I just describe the situation honestly. If only everybody could do the same. Fagin (talk) 09:44, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Fair. Everyone is entitled to their views, even if I don't particularly agree with them. — Dysk (contribs) 09:57, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
lol. "Honestly". Mike all your crazy beliefs are lies: you're a 9/11 conspiratard, Holocaust denier and spread the "white genocide" conspiracy theory. It's as if your MO is to make "white people" look dumb as possible with the nonsense you believe... Hope not Hate must love you. What's next David Icke reptilians and hollow-earth? And yes I know you're incapable of a sensible discussion about anything and don't do "realpolitik". Even Abd ul-Rahman Lomax in his latest blog article described you as a "troll".Arcticos (talk) 14:57, 25 February 2019 (UTC)


If y'all could take this somewhere else and stop shitting on Dysk's talk page that'd be great. Palaeonictis Fossil beds 15:18, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Ostwelt Spangler / Fagin / Twist Spanker are Mikemikev sockpuppets. It's not as if he's now even pretending to be someone else - like he did on Spangler. After I blocked those socks, Dysk unblocked. Mikemikev wouldn't post here and I wouldn't need to respond if you just blocked Mikemikev when he shows. If you don't block his socks, he will be spamming this place on new accounts. RationalWiki needs to start creating long-term abuse pages like Wikipedia: Long-term abuse/Mikemikev.Arcticos (talk) 16:27, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Why on earth do we need a shrine to the trolls? I unblocked Ostwelt because it was unclear at that time whether they were Mike or whether we were being paranoid. The other accounts are probably mike, but could easily be some kid having a laugh pretending to be (aka a "joe job"). These people are far too disorganised to do anything significantly problematic so just chill, and block when it is patently obvious trolling has started. — Dysk (contribs) 20:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)