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Denying Hell[edit]

Yup, Sid. That's what he means! SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:35, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Yegh. There goes my hope that I might have misunderstood it. Thanks for verifying! --Sid 06:52, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I see The Schlafly has decided to play it coy this time. "Sure it's a sin, and sin is punishable by hell. But I'm not sure God won't change his mind." So Andy, could we apply that to, say, homosexual behaviour or being a Liberal? Those are unforgivable sins in your mind, but maybe God's having a good day and will let them sinners off the hook.
Reminds me of a quote from the old show, "Bless Me Father" (from memory). "Of course I believe hell is a real place. It is a matter of strict church orthodoxy. But only a damned fool would believe there's actually anyone there." --Kels 09:17, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Totally gratuitous snark on a typo[edit]

I love the idea of foot rationing. SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:26, 7 June 2008 (EDT) Damn, he's removed it! SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:30, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Is it something reasonable like two feet per person, or do you think it's more like China's "one child" policy  : ) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:48, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Who's there[edit]

Is it just me or do there seem to be an excess of Socks &/or trolls on CP @ this moment (20:10, 7 June 2008 their time) SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:15, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Given that about 80% of their editors fall into one or both groups at any given time... --Kels 20:18, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Nods.gifSusanG  ContribsTalk 20:23, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I'm not there, so there can't be that many. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 20:24, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Sez you! I think you are - I think you're MargeryCampbell or ApGriffith or WillD or ALL THREE! SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:30, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Gotcha. You're Sundance! ... or Morgenstern or RKLuffy88. SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:32, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Much as I appreciate your bigging up of my sockery skills, I haven't been anyone at CP for a couple of days now. And what has Sundance done to recieve such a categorical unmasking? Is it something good?? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 20:34, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Signed up within seconds of my comment above, as did Morgenstern. SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:37, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
I guess they must be me after all :D But you don't really think Margery is a sock, do you? <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 20:41, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
No comment! SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:55, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Sundance is far too active to be me. I think he's just stupid. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 20:43, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Have to agree - he don't feel like you either. SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:55, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Keep feeling up Jellyfish, and people will talk. --Kels 21:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Jellyfish cannot be felt up. We sting. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 21:08, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
As a definite old crab, I'm immune to Jelly's stings, my hard carapace protects me. SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Crabs are just armoured spiders. We jellyfish have our own warrior caste -- the GIANT SQUID. Fear us. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 21:37, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
SQUID! They are not your clan Jelly! They are an altogether more modren breed who permit Crabkind to ride upon their backs as we devour the hordes of Jellifishen with our snappity snappity clawkins. SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:45, 7 June 2008 (EDT) (am I really going mad, or is it the hour of the night?)(nope- I'm going mad!)
Yes, I am aware that the squid like to entertain your crabbish delusions regarding your species' friendship. It is all a cunning plan foisted on you by the Clownfish -- but we shall not speak of them. Squid are true friends of the jelly nation, and true friends of us alone. Nuts to you. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 21:53, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Nonsense,. Just you wait, some night in the near future you will awaken to the sound of snappity, snappity and know that the KING CRAB is nigh, as is your end Mwuhahahaha (Sinister laugh, exits stage left, pursued by a bear) SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:57, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Pursued by bear? Bears are harmless!
ResponseBear.gif <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 22:04, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
The bear to which I refer was the Bard's bear not a mangy, motheaten excuse for a bear like what THAT is. SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:11, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Don't taunt the bears! Dear God, don't taunt the bears! <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 22:16, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

IN OTHER NEWS[edit]

I think CP should make me a sysop, because most of the time I'm the only one who notices when they get vandalised. I mean, for God's sake, people. Wake up! <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 21:56, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Didn't you notice the Ronald Reagan one earlier? It's not been rectified yet, I don't think. SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:58, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
nope, it's still there! SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:01, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Oh, tell a lie -- looks like Andy's leapt in after all. What a man! <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!Tsubasa-Jelly 22:00, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Seaweed does sound a little suspect. SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Awww, you spoiled the Ronald Reagan wandalism. NightFlareStill doesn't have a RWW article. 22:33, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Not yet I didn't - it's still there. SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:39, 7 June 2008 (EDT) (It wasn't you, Night, Was it? )
Not me, and it already got reverted. NightFlareStill doesn't have a RWW article. 22:49, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

SHUSH Jelly.Over 12 hours now! SusanG  ContribsTalk 00:43, 8 June 2008 (EDT) </font> It lasted almost 23 hours! (And was only found by ascident in a who's/whose tussle between Jareddr & CPAdmin1.) I'm upset, I thought they hung on our every word over here and now I find they don't even read us even when we make it pretty obvious. SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:43, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Some of them (but not many, mark you) are smart/paranoid enough not to immediately jump whenever we mention something. Conservative isn't, but if Andy himself happened to notice some vandalism under discussion here he would probably wait for a little while before sorting it out. <font=""; face="Comic Sans MS">Jellyfish!</font>Tsubasa-Jelly 15:19, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

MRSA/Gay Plague Crap[edit]

Sigh. I've already taken the fight to them in a major way three times over this bollocks. Can someone else please do it this time, else I'll have to barrel in again. And I'm tired of it. DogP 22:50, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

Ken is unreachable. He is utterly unphased by any logic, sources or facts, or even how much of a moron he looks to even a casual observer for ignoring them. I have no doubt he feels this is some sort of great, unassailable masterpiece that will spell the end of homosexuality or advocacy or the gay agenda or something. Mind you, I'm also waiting for him to delete the original article because "we don't need two" or some such. His ego is Just That Big. --Kels 23:03, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

One freaking idiot[edit]

the conservative, where to begin!?. He says "Atheism article #4 on Google NZ" but, if you look closer (or at all) it is tagged as Satire by stumbleupon.com. Freaking idiot. Ace McWicked 00:35, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Huh? I have no stumbleupon... 121.216.227.175 01:51, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh,well Kenseravtive doesnt have it either than because if he did he would see it is tagged as Satire i.e. Bullshit. Ace McWicked 121.73.11.147 02:02, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Oh and sorry about my poor grammer and spelling, I have been drinking....a wee bit Ace McWicked 02:17, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

I like the tags for Andy's video. Barikada 02:30, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

So would anyone else agree to kenservative being CP's hypeman? Much like Flavor Flav?--TimS 11:24, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

If Flava Flav only danced for his own thing, and didn't want anything to do with Chuck D and the boys, that would fit. Although the Koward leading the S1W is sort of amusing. --Kels 11:38, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
I have little doubt Ken wears a big kitchen clock around his neck, along with the big gold chain with the keys to the closet which he has yet to leave. DogP 12:17, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

I followed a couple Stumbleupon links from Andy's video, and I came across this. *Sigh* If only they had said "Republicans", it really would have been the best one-liner. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:55, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Andy's Teaching Income[edit]

Well, now we got a price for his classes - $250/head. [1] A glance at the youtube video shows about 35 students (counted frame at 0:19). Thats $8750. Gotta say "Damn thats a bit". hats for 1 hour/week?! If only our public school teachers were paid that much for each class they taught each semester (they tend to teach 4 or 5 classes 5 days a week, that would be 20 * 8750 * 2 (semesters per year)... $350,000. Ahh, if only we valued our public school teachers like that. It is amazing they do as well as they do on a tenth of that (or less in many districts). Another comparison UW Madison has $301.35 for one credit (Fall 2007).[2] --Shagie 14:50, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Well, outta that he's gotta rent the space where he teaches, buy the Cliff's Notes that he's clearly seen teaching out of at one point in the video, probably some sort of insurance against one of the kids getting hurt while he's acting in loco parentis, etc.etc....PFoster 15:07, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Loco, minus the parentis  : ) Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:56, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
He also says it includes all supplies. He almost certainly schools them, say, three times a week @ one hour per, and has to prep and grade as well. No matter how much of a tool he is, those "side time" costs can't be denied. So call it $8750 for nine hours a week (one prep/one grading per each class, stat pulled out of Andy's ass, but probably quite reasonable), for what, 16 weeks/term? 9 x 16 = 144 hours; 8750/144 = about $60/hour before expenses. Knock out, say, $50/student in expenses (some things, like texts, can be re-used, and I bet his "rent" at the church is nominal if not free), and you've got 7000/144 ~= $48/hour. Sounds like a lot, but he still has to pay taxes, (pay to keep CP on line?), and stuff. As a bona fide lawyer, both of those are far below what he should be able togross or earn. If he could manage 4 classes he'd gross about 35k a year, 5 is about 43k. One last comment - a class size of 35 students is a poor statistic. Decent public schools (and of course private ones and colleges) strive to average perhaps half that. Still, it's awesome to have an actual "reality based" number from teh asshat! ħumanUser talk:Human 17:06, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Oops, one major error I made in getting his annual income, all that math is for one semester. So double the annual gross figures to 70k or 86k. ħumanUser talk:Human 17:08, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Thats still two to four times as much as a public school teacher. The other bit to factor in is Kettle's comment about being able to see PS more on monday if he took the class. One day, one or two hours.[3] --Shagie 17:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Not stateside it isn't. Our local (as in my school district) average salary is over $50k, and they get nice health coverage on top of that (another 6-10k). Keep in mind that out of his net after expenses, he also has to pay both halves of his FICA, too, another 7.5% not included in the teacher salary. I must say, though, that we have a "good" school system, which equals "expensive". Good point about Kettle's comment, but do we know how many hours? It could be all afternoon. Anyway, we are doing a lot of guessing here, of course. At least we have one hard number, though! ħumanUser talk:Human 17:40, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Doesn't Andy get free medical coverage from the fine medical professionals at the AAPS? Not that I'd trust that lot to treat a hangnail, but you get what you pay for. --Kels 18:19, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Can't find the dif off the top of my head, but I recall Kettleticket saying that the class meets once a week for maybe 2 hours. Not sure on prep time, but if he teaches the same thing over and over again the prep time for each class is probably minimal. Grading time is the likely the real time-consumer, and I don't know how much he has to do. If it's a few multiple choice tests each semester then that's hardly anything. If he has to grade papers, well, that's a lot more. Whatever the case, he seems to be doing pretty well financially, as I doubt there are many $150 textbooks he provides (are there any textbooks crazy enough for him to rely on? Probably...). I think there's enough here to make his argument that WP is associated with a for-profit venture while CP isn't assertion pretty laughable. Oh, and one more thing, I'm not completely certain, but I think the while Cliff's Notes thing is not true. From the video, whatever book he has looks to big and thick to be Cliff's Notes, and I don't think Cliff does history in any case. Likely it's some crappy homeskool thing with a similar color scheme. DickTurpis 22:50, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Just Plain Silly[edit]

"Warning, Warning - Bias Approaching!" http://www.conservapedia.com/Bias_alert Ace McWicked 17:53, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes, if you didn't already know CONSERVApedia was predicated on bias, reading "Examples of Bias in Wikipedia" would really sound the alarm... Lyra Silvertongue 07:40, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

ZOMG!!11!elevendy![edit]

The video-game one is like, "Meh? Who gives a shit?"
Now, if someone inserted into, say, Abraham Lincoln, his cross-dressing proclivities, then you'd be talking soem serious lulz. Video games cannot suffer from parody as they don't come up high enough on the radar of enough people. Parody only works if the real or parodied thing is well within the minds of the general populous, not just an inside joke to those who in-the-know.
Besides we don't out parody in WIGO! CЯacke® 19:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, come on -if an obvious parody has been created, just enjoy it, don't share your opinion here. We'll put ourselves out of business if we help them 'fix' all their bogus articles. Not that they could. DogP 19:43, 8 June 2008 (EDT)
Guys, really, stop doing that. Parodies aren't fun if they don't last.
Though I gotta disagree with it being too obscure to be lulzy though, there are even good parodies about things that simply don't exist. NightFlareStill doesn't have a RWW article. 20:01, 8 June 2008 (EDT)