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This is now continued at Debate:Things we may or may not believe in.

Andy Can Haz AIDS?

I am reading a book at the moment about the rise of the Christian Right and how they embeded with the NeoCons. I found a Phyllis Schlafly quote that read "I would rather my children became infected with an STD than know there were such things as condoms". Perhaps Andys insanity is a symptom of an aggressive case of Syphilis? Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 17:26, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Or in this case, syphyllis? Wait, was that funny? I can't even tell anymore. Bjones 17:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

HAHA yup thats funny. But, seriously, what a harsh quote from Ma Schlafly. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 17:34, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I just searched for the quote but couldn't find it - where was it from? --SpinyNorman 17:53, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

From a book I am reading called "Fall of the House of Bush". I'll check it out again when I get home as it is footnoted. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 17:57, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I don't have it, so I'm pretty sure he doesn't.. ;) Fuzzy =^_^= 18:26, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh ho! Sexual innuendo! Someone is getting a wee bit lippy here. And, by the way, NaThang, you were blocked for your reference on your talk page to a certain impure fluid, sometimes known as "the devil's toothpaste".

But seriously, dude, don't listen to the grandma-in-law. Wear a mini-flak-jacket on your l'il soldier. DickTurpis 18:32, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I made a reference? Since when? just put a little star next to the exact comment

No thanks. I'm abstaining from all forms of sex. Fuzzy =^_^= 18:38, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

|Abs|

User's absolute choice is to abstain from sex of any kind until marriage.

Ahem, yes we know:

Poor, poor fuzzykettle. --JeevesMkII 18:45, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

I assume that this only applies to conscious activities with another party? As a young man, unconscious sexual events tend to happen with sometimes embarassing frequency unless of course one takes "preventative measures". Sorry if that is what my wife desribes as TMI (too much information). Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 04:21, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

How evil can one be?!? Do you want our friend to become blind? Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 05:10, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

You know those hairy palms make for a soft touch....Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 05:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Aren't we given to understand the Schlafly family are all filthy papists? It's pretty much just repeating what their church believes. On the other paw it does make one grateful for abstinence education, you'd hate to think the world was littered with little Schlafly by-blows. --JeevesMkII 18:22, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

The phrase "all forms of sex" always worries me, because I keep thinking "how many forms are there?" and "am I missing out?" --PsyGremlin_Whut? 02:43, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

27, at last count, but I might be missing out, too... ħuman 02:51, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

The Phyllis Schlafly quote I mentioned above comes from page 249 of this book. Just for clarification. I dont have the said book however, so cant tell you where the author got it to start with. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 04:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm speculating here, but maybe Phyllis also comprehensively deals with the "how many forms of sex are there" question elsewhere in her book? Chapter 69 maybe. Matt 06:52, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I think the question of how many forms of sex are there depends on what you consider to be sex..... And whether or not different sexual moves are considered a new form or a variation on an old one.... SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 11:30, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, sex for Phyllis is surely "for the process of making children, in the missionary position only, and with no pleasure for the woman". Next up, genetically engineering away the orgasm. ArmondikoV^theist 13:00, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh yes, and mandatory clitoridectomy and infibulation for all little girls. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 13:07, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Oooh, oo!! And government subsidies for (non-kinky) chastity belts!! ArmondikoV^theist 13:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Two things, first to our own little Kettle.... Where you live dog? I'll send you some girls and you'll forget all about this abstinonsense. Second, I don't know why I thought of this, but anyone else remember when the first "test tube" babies were being successfully implanted and the religious right started screaming about thow this was an abomination against god's will. There was also talk about how this would be the end of heterosexual relationships because men wouldn't be needed anymore etc etc... I really need to find some of those articles and quotes and such. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 13:14, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Our little Kettle has a girl already. We shouldn't try to come between them (anyone who can remotely imagine putting up with Andy as a father-in-law is a saint). If they want to stop at "heavy petting" then there's no reason they should feel obligated to do more. But if you should change your mind, Fuzzy, (or your fuzzy mind) do remember that birth control is your friend. DickTurpis 13:24, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

You can send your girls to me, Sir. Ask Karajou for my (IP) address and location. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 13:26, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Dick Dick Dick, anyone who throw away their good youth on pointless monogamy(sp?) just needs a little nudging... That's all I'm saying, don't buy the first car you see, you gotta test drive baby, test drive. As for Editor at Cp, I would, but everyone on CP is now either Ames or Ace so they're probably take some time to get to you. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 13:49, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey, no tempting! NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 13:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Conservative and common sense?

Did Andy tell Conservative to get rid of some of his ranting on the front page?--BoredCPer 21:09, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, CP's credibility just jumped up a bit by removing the Hitler pic from the main page. The evolution article still has two Hitler pics and one Stalin pic. Corry^{Those are balls.} 21:16, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

That is because, as always, his "Gentleman at the other site crap" is vain boasting, he was talking shit about the polite discussions. Once again he ends up pwning himself. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 21:23, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

And no Conservative I am not going to watch stupid video. How about for the first time in your life you construct an argument or make a point without relying on someone else's words. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 21:25, 23 September 2008 (EDT)

It's a 1944 newsreel of MacArthur renewing a promise to liberate the Philippines from the Japanese. Didn't quite see the connection. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 07:37, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Except that he had to use somebody else's words to say "I shall return." Yawn. The man is a tool. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 09:19, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Now where did that go?

I think we should be told. Mick McT 03:21, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

So, has Bohdan deleted all those debates, essays and talk page discussions that don't lead directly to the improvement of CP? Those made by Andy are specially useless. NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 07:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

More significantly, the whole discussion about FBI involvement in rounding up CP vandals hasn't been deleted. weaseLOId~ 10:28, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

So long, normal named people

Some people seem to be on a mission to use up all the normal user names. MikeA to MikeZ - gone! BillA to BillZ - gone! Soon the only people allowed to join will be foreigners and children of pop stars.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 07:23, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

No no, I am sure that it is just a coincidence :-D Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 07:27, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

On a more serious note, it makes it easier to remember one's own socks too. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 07:27, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I was wondering the same thing myself. Is no-one allowed to be called Bill or Mike any more?

Don't forget John. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 07:32, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

They should watch out for Name Bias: by excluding Mikes and Bills in favour of Peaches and Paris, they could be leaving themselves open to Liberal Creep and Hollywood Values--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 08:09, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I confess to a bunch of those, although at least one other person has picked up on the plan as well. DickTurpis 11:10, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Do we need to lay out some sort of matrix and "claim" parts of the "namespace" I claim PaulA-PaulM. tmtoulouse 11:18, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Bill, Mike, some else I forgot :-D Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 11:45, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Bill and Mike aren't useful unless you get William, Will, and Michael as well. I think Michael and Mike are mostly covered. Not sure about the Bills. A good number of Pauls are gone too (that's easier as there is no obvious nickname part from "Pauly" which I imagine some Pauls might balk at being told they had to use). In many cases I tried to go with the more common initials rather than doing it alphabetically, so there's likely to be no real pattern on untaken names. Oh, and as Andy showed us with "SamD", he can make a "Samd" in addition. Most users, it seems, cannot; they are told when trying such a thing that it is to similar to an existing name. I guess the Almighty can circumvent this. DickTurpis 12:54, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I remember WIGOing that, but it just got negative votes. I'm obviously the only one here with a sophisticated sense of humor *prrt* oops, excuse me, we can edit that out can't we? NoEtc 16:46, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

You are right about William et co. But then, for me it's enough that people get frustrated at all these rules-not rules and abandon the idea. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 13:13, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Turkish

I'm sure Jinksie will claim that the Turkish poster should be banned for being turkish. Besides, clearly the edits in turkish are liberal, and the guy doesn't believe in school prayer -- and hell, he's not even an american, since americans don't "speeky the spanishis".--En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 11:15, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I think there's also a delicious irony that their English grammar bits and bobs are being tidied up by a Japanese girl. Then again, slagging off Obama, Lenski, Dawkins et al is clearly more important to your average homskollar than learning to talk proper. How much grammar does one of Andy's history students need to say "You want fries with that?" anyway. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:35, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I am pretty sure Jessica teaches English and that English is her first language, so I'm not sure I see the irony there. The irony would be if someone who spoke English as their second language was tidying up their grammar articles. And I'm not even sure if that would be ironic. Anyway, there is also a strong possibility that SyedO is not from Turkey. Just sayin.... Bjones 12:55, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

At least "officially", she is..."Jessica, 25, a Christian Japanese, although I have lived outside the country now for 10 years, as my father was transferred abroad" (from her userpage). Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 13:10, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

"Jessica, 25, a Christian Japanese, ...": I believe the noun form of "Japanese" is "Japanesie". Ought someone to point it out to her? --Marty 00:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Wouldn't she be a "Japanesa"? ħuman 00:44, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

New term

Do you believe in some god? But do you also believe in evolution? PJR has a new term for you. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 12:11, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

That pretty much sums up CP for me. Bjones 12:24, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

How can he go from bumping heads with Andy to spewing out something that could have straight from Brother Leader (or Bugler _parodist!) himself? Between this and his support of Hitler (well, you know what I mean) he's basically thrown away any cred he might have had over there and leapt out of the closet as a prancing, boa-waving goon(ok, without the prancing and boa-waving) --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:30, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

You understand he didn't make the term up, right? I've heard "useful idiot" used to describe both Zell Miller and Joe Leiberman after each spoke at the Republican National Convention. I mean, don't like PJR all you want, free world and all that, but it's hardly a Liberal ______-caliber term. Aziraphale 13:21, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Perfectly right. But at least I don't like its use in that context by PJR. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 13:24, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

According to that nice Mr Wikipedia, "Useful idiot" was first attributed to Lenin, to describe communist sympathisers in non-communist countries. Its first use in the west was in 1948, in a NY Times article on Italian politics. Totnesmartin 14:14, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

As I said, you're free not to like him, and as a corollary you're free not to like his use of the term. I just wanted to clarify that he wasn't pulling an Andy-ism of making a term up just to spite those he opposes. Aziraphale 14:46, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

It's not about liking him. But calling "useful idiots" those Christians who accept evolution - well, THAT I don't like. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 17:15, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe after the dustup with Karadiva, Andy gave him a quota to live up to. He's gotta post so much batshit insane before he's allowed to do anything that makes sense. --Kels 17:59, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

(unindent)Yes, Editor_at_CP, thus my corollary. And Kels, I don't see what's so batshit insane about it. Even if his belief in creationism is insane, starting from there and then seeing the application of "useful idiot" to pro-evolution Christians makes perfect sense. Guess he'll have to make quota elsewhere. Aziraphale 18:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

His basic definition is correct, and could be expanded to people who work for any leaders or cause that doesn't actually give a shit about them. 'Nother note I almost made there, bu the ghosts of Henry's Shabby Butlers whispered a warning over my shoulder... PJR, did you just call all Roman Catholics "idiots" (along with most other Christians)? ħuman 20:05, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Professor Schlafly

This gave me massive giggles. I've yet to look through the others. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:16, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

The questions, for reference. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:24, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

That makes really sad... on a deep level... There is so much potential for reasoned analysis and Schlafly is heaping praise on that pile of shit. Really? You don't know how to map an area without the use of an airplane? My god.... I predict that there will be some kind of remedial DeSchlaflyization classes offered at the college level soon. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 14:46, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I feel really sorry for the kid. And notice how Schlafly is incapable of giving a score lower than 90%, no matter how poor the answers (even when they got things wrong, as with answer 2 in my example)? I looked through all the other tests from "American History Homework One Answers" and only one kid got lower than 90, and the only reason for that was that they hadn't completed most of the questions. People PAY him to teach? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:57, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

As a teacher, I'm sure SirChuck is pulling his hair out reading a) the answers and b) Andy's marking. It's drivel and it gets 98%. For what? There's barely a markable fact in that whole thing. The George Washington answer, whilst priceless, doesn't quote a single fact except he was the first president and it gets full marks? Surely the parents must raise an eyebrow when they see this sort of thing? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 15:05, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I kinda want to WIGO this, but then I'd worry it'd seem like we're just mocking the kid, not Schlafly's teaching methods. She/he's innocent here, despite the undeniable brilliance that is the George Washington answer. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 15:11, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

As for the parents...well, assuming they're of the same mind set as Herr Doktor Schlafly, I suspect they wouldn't exactly be nonplussed. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 15:14, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I suspect they're thinking that junior got a 98 on a test of history "free from liberal bias", so Andy must be doing a great job of imparting the "right" kind of knowledge to them. Meanwhile, Andy's cashing their checks after a hard week of academic rigor, like calling two sentences of nonsense about the Salem Witch Trials a "Good analysis", and reluctantly deducting a single point from a history answer that was lacking in any reference to umm, history. Once again, we see why Andy bears so much hostility towards those who successfully do the things he only pretends at. --SpinyNorman 21:50, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

I just had a realisation that annoyed me. Assfly asks questions of opinion and then grades on whether he agrees with the answer. As far as I can tell, the code is good = This answer matches my idiotic opinion, OK = I'm 95% certain I know your opinion on class prayer, you filthy liberal, Superb = I totally agree, plus you kissed up to God or some (other?) conservative figure who I approve of. --JeevesMkII 15:45, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

You would be correct in assuming my head has a few hundred hairs less. My father was a history major, if he read this crap, he'd probably vomit. I mean, George Washington was a great general? by whose standards? He was AWFUL. He got his men lost all the time, he regularly ignored basic standards of the time, and he got CAPTURED by the British in the French and Indian wars. As for being a great president, while accepting that he had a very difficult and unwanted job, he wasn't that good. His only real lasting contribution to the country, setting aside patriotic blindness, is that he essentially gave us the two term norm that became law. Other than that, he didn't really do much (even if only because it wasn't known what to do) That assinment is lacking any real proof to back the claims. As Jeeves pointed out, Schlafly asks the kids their opinions and grades on how they did. That's excellent for a Philosophy Class, or a Theology Class (to a point) or a Gym class, but in History, they need to back things up. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 16:18, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

The kids must think it's great to just parrot back one or two sentences of their teacher's opinion rather than having to remember facts and arguments. Some even get to see what points their classmates got before they have submitted their own work. The joke of course is that didn't Andy say he got burnout or something after marking four or five assignments a day? He should be able to mark all of this lot while drinking his cocoa. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 17:16, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

No kidding, using his grading system and attention to detail, dropout rates in America would be like .000005% SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 17:22, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

This assignment and grading process is nearly devoid of critical thought- Andy wastes these kids time and money twice by both assigning them unchallenging assignments and not putting a whole lot of thought into the grading. Maybe if he had a smaller class as opposed to the Biggest pre-college American history class in the world^TM he would have more time to actually challenge his students and help them grow intellectually. The irony about his abysmally low grading standards is how CP establishes grade inflation as a liberal-caused phenomenon. Corry^{Those are balls.} 17:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Isn't it also a bit depressing that none of the kids rise above the steaming shit pool their parents have immersed them in and write thoughtful responses to any of the questions? You know, instead of asking the bovine rhetorical question "I wonder how they made maps in the days of yore?" actually did five minutes of googling on this subject and write a paragraph on theodolites and geometry and poles and suchlike? --JeevesMkII 18:55, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

What the hell is with their answers. When I did history in my second to last year of high school we did about six each of which had to have an mini-essay length answer to the (200-300 words). We were marked on "insight" (as Andy puts it) or as a history teacher called drawing conclusions from primary and secondary sources. Has Andy even covered some of the basics like secondary and primary sources? $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 19:25, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Hah. Have you read his "lectures"? His coverage of history is so pathetically shallow that any discussion of sources of any kind would be an improvement. He doesn't mention a single important invention as far as I can see, has no discussion of social affairs or changes in attitude at all and we learn nothing about the background or achievements of any of the historical figures mentioned. His lectures essentially boil down to "this happened, then this and then this" ad infinitum. (Also, did you really only do one year of history in your school career? I know you merkins don't have much of it, but that's kind of scary.) --JeevesMkII 19:33, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

High schools generally require one year of US history, but in many places you're also expected to take other history classes. Someone should see if there's an Aschafly World History course in the works.--Bayes 19:43, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

SOMEONE HASN'T BEEN DOING THEIR HOMEWORK! This has been around a lot longer and met with similar derision. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 02:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I iz Aussie. We did "society and environment" which had history mixed in with geography and a little politics for three years and then in our final two years are the ones that actually count. I only did history only in the first, because in the final year you do only 5 subject and one has to English and there are 2 final year maths courses and I did both. But the history course had nothing like Andy's "this is what happened", it was all on what I though of as history theory where we learnt about primary and secondary sources and given questions like Was World War One Inevitable and other more sort of meta-level questions. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 19:44, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

All these other schooling systems seem weird to me. I got to do cool GCSEs when I was 16, like electronics. Thanks to that start in life, I still enjoy blowing up capacitors to this day. --JeevesMkII 19:55, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

In theory, I could have gone through college without taking any history courses at all (I don't know why you'd want to though) so I took US history I and II.... I remember thinking about how upset I was with my US History II teacher. She focused a lot on social issues, and was extremely feminist (we had a whole lecture on famous starlets of the 20's and 30's and their accomplishments in breaking the gender sterotype of the day) and my god did she hate Freud (not a good thing in my book). But on her worst day, she is still infinately better than Assfly. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 20:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

"What the Colonists would have payed for the tea before taxes wouldn't probably not have been enough to pay the people who had shipped it, or pay the people who made the tea. So I think some taxes were fine, but maybe Britain just went a little over board." Um, the tea issue was the monopoly that the East India (?) Co. was granted that let them sell tea to the colonies cheaper than the colonists could with their own businesses, not a "high tax" issue... ħuman 20:07, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

When you get all your history knowledge from a Bugs Bunny cartoon you can't expect much better. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 20:09, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

When I read the answer to H1, my first thought was to laugh and I'm thinking about how Miss Teen South Carolina could be one of Andy's alumni. Then I thought about how conservative A-listers like George Bush and Sarah Palin aren't exactly intellectually curious people, but that's okay because they "just know in their gut" what's right, and have the decisiveness to make critical decisions on that basis. When I look at this graded test through fresh eyes, I see the next generation of un-curious "deciders" being groomed to conform instead of think, and it scares the shit out of me. --SpinyNorman 22:03, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

As far as what the kids actually write, it is okay, god knows I wouldn't have wanted my highschool homework posted on the internet to be critiqued. The fact that Schlafly is making them do that is pretty twisted in and of itself. But the written feedback he is given is just so incredibly worthless and lazy. There is nothing there that could be used to grow or improve in writing style, analysis, or critical thinking. Schlafly is doing nothing as a teacher. 24.36.228.54 22:14, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

What the kids write would be ok if they were 10-11 years old (fifth-sixth grade). Not acceptable in the least for late high school. I think they are in this for the quick pat on the head and some tiem away from home, personally. As far as the public homework posting? Surely that is a violation of (minors') privacy in at least 27 states??? It's fucking WRONG and clueless. The only thing worse is Andy's "95-100" grading scale. They could use email for the homework perfectly easily. ħuman 00:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Isn't anyone else bothered by the fact that Andy is doing NOTHING about guiding them in basic English other than to say "cap British". Hello. This poster answered questions without using sentances! There are comma splices throughout every single answer. If you don't teach kids now, when will they learn? grrrrrrrrrrr.....--En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 23:58, 24 September 2008 (EDT) (course, look who i'm asking this of. mr. "i can't manage to use there v. their correctly Schafley himself.)

Yes. It's absolutely maddening. I don't even know what the questions are, and I can tell that many of these kids could not pass with this kind of work in any decent school. I rarely look at the homework part of the site because there is so much there that makes my blood boil. Inane questions, public postings of response and grades (way to not encourage boy/girl competition!), substance-free answers (and it's not even good bullshit), absurdly poor grammar (and sometimes spelling) with no correction, and most of all, the long term damage that he's doing to the kids by providing ludicrously inflated grades along with a complete absence of any real knowledge or skill - I just can't handle it. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 00:18, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"(and it's not even good bullshit)" - Exactly. At least "good" bullshitting teaches students a useful workplace skill! ħuman 00:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

One thing we'll have to do is compare the scores for the boys and girls in his class. Will be interesting to see if any difference in marks is as a result of Andy's marking. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 00:45, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

That's gonna be tough, when the minimum grade for "just turning up" is a 95 "very good"... ħuman 00:54, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

For some reason I blanked out on the fact that these kids were late high schoolers. My initial thought was that the person who wrote the above example was 12. These kids are only a few years younger than me. That scares the shit out of me (I'm 22, for the record). How on earth are they going to succeed in college? I suppose I'm just preaching to the choir, but come on! What are their parents thinking? What is he thinking?! Forgetting for a moment that he has no idea about history/teaching history, he should at least know what to expect in terms of work load in post-secondary school. The man has a law degree! From fucking Harvard. They don't give you 98/100 for "he wasn't really all that great," there. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 06:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, but they seem to have a criteria of "conciseness", just as with the CP articles, and ASchlafly's attention span seems to be very limited unless the article is about homosexuality or atheism, obivously. I could forgive it all if the marking comments were a bit more constructive. Even when a pupil gives you 100/100, you still can put more words down than "superb". It's like he hasn't given them any attention at all, probably too busy trying to refute professional statisticians in his next letter to PNAS (hurr, PEE-NAS, hurr ). ArmondikoV^theist 06:56, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't say CP's criteria is "concise" so much as it is downright cryptic. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 07:03, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think Andy's class has kids of varying ages. Any chance some of them are 12 or so? I suppose we have to ask Kettleticket. DickTurpis 13:10, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I seem to remember it being stated somewhere it was "pre-college", but perhaps I misinterpreted that phrase. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 02:32, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

They're all high school kids, so at the extremes, 13-19, inner margins, 14-18. ħuman 03:33, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I see, I see. Thanks for the clarification. Still scares the crap outta me, though. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 03:55, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Mike Birbiglia's Secret Public Journal...

... has a minor CP reference this week. Aziraphale 16:12, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

That was more than 20 words to read so I couldn't find it! Etc 16:58, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Some of the words are funny, if that helps any. Aziraphale 18:40, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

The link on "Jesus fought the dinosaurs and won" was to CP. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 19:15, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

Heh, I just noticed that the subheading on cp:Dinosaur reads "Creationary Ρerspective". :)   I'm afraid I don't understand its significance. --Marty Hi Jinx! 00:57, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Useful idiots

Wonderful irony from PJR here. How about those preachers that teach evolution in church when they are not even scientists! Instead of those top notch preachers that debunk evolution. Now THATS science. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 23:11, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

See above, new term ħuman 00:06, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I know Human, but this is a new comment. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 00:13, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, well Oopsie Me McWhoopsie! Sorrah... ħuman 00:18, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Next time you will sorry McHuman. Mmmmmm McHuman. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 00:22, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"I was calling them "useful idiots", not "idiots"." What?!? So "Useful Indiot" suddenly doesn't have the word "idiot" in it too?! It still implies that someone's an idiot, just that they're of use to you rather than a pure hinderence. Did he even read his own entry on it? ArmondikoV^theist 06:59, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Something I have noticed

I have noticed that Andy's last action, every night for awhile now, has been to wikify something. It's like a signal that night editing is on. I was waiting for it tonight and yep, there it is. It's always random, like he hits random page until he finds something to wikify, does it, then closes editing. Something I notice because I am at work at this time and reading CP. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 00:01, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yep. If you go back far enough, sometimes his "nightcap edit" is a little spelling thing or a grammar tweak, but he always makes a minor edit before switching off the wiki and going upstairs to coo sweet nothings in Mrs. Schlafly's ear. PFoster 00:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

She plays the naughty public school student and he the liberal professor........I feel sick now. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 00:07, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I dunno, bastid deleted a bunch of edits on talk:PNAS Response, then added a line about unsubstantiveness... I went to fix the > to a < could edit, then Andy went sleepies byes and I couldn't save it. Asshole, moron, fascist, liar, jerk, censor, narrow-minded twit. ħuman 00:11, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

PS, Ace, thanks, now I feel sick too.... ħuman 00:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I have trained my mind to not think about sex and anything related to Conservapedia at the same time. Don't you wish you had my skill? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Jinx ♥ penisbone

Hi Jinx!

Wandal ♥ Jinx.
Jinx ♥ penisbone.
∴ Wandal ♥ penisbone?

--Marty 02:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

So since you noticed my revert of a lame attempt at vandalism, I guess you love penisbone, too. Probably several of them. Up your ass. 67.135.49.198 02:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Boy, it really must've burned your penisbone-stuffed butts that I easily found and blocked one of your lame sockpuppets. 67.135.49.198 02:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

That is pathetic Jinx! You can do better than that cant you? Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:22, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

No, he can't. Remember, Jinxmchue is a small-animal-torturing young boy and a vicious, twelve-year-old girl (the horrible kind that traumatized you in grade school) rolled into one. Shouting, "You're a FAGGOT!" is the limit of his insult skills. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey, Jinx _{hi Jinx!}, does Andy know how you talk when you're off the reservation? Foul mouthed twit. That's what brought TK down from being at the right hand of God. ħuman 02:29, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"burned your penisbone-stuffed butts" bahahaha classic mirth-making hilarity! Did you learn that one from your kids jinx? Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:31, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

First it's "pathetic," then it's "classic mirth-making hilarity." Are you schizo or something? 67.135.49.198 02:39, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Dont you know liberalism causes schizoid behaviour? Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:40, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

It really seems like Jinx _{hi Jinx!} has a "soft spot" for large penises: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 04:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Score. So, who wants to try to tell Deaflaschly that one of his prized bulldogs not only has a foul mouth (as evidenced here), but, er, has a thing for swinging steaks? ħuman 04:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, if he can tolerate a "liberal" like Philip J. Ramen so long as he's a creationist, then I think Aschafly will tolerate Jinxmchue's foul language and heteroflexibility so long as he remains a contemptible little shit. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats great! Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 04:29, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

But keep in mind that TK's downfall at CP was accidentally using gutter language in an email to teh assfly... Shit, I just warned Jinx _{hi Jinx!}! ħuman 04:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm, Jinxy must spend more time on this site than any one else. Well, one day the URL to this page will start circulating around all the disgruntled CP users and they'll get to see what little shits their sysops and head honchos are. ArmondikoV^theist 05:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Don't forget this talk page comment at Conservapedia. He sure does ♥ the penisbone. weaseLOId~ 07:22, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

So the libruls doubt that it exists, while the conservatives hope it exists so they can get their rocks off over a young boy with an errection? Am I correct in interpreting his comment right!??!? ArmondikoV^theist 07:26, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Ah the disingenuousness of the moral hypocrite - "This filth can be viewed on YouTube if anyone (i.e. any liberal) doubts me". Of course he would never have been looking for it in the first place, would he? But Jinx does seem to be obsessed with pornography judging by his countless edits to wp:Pornography addiction as well as this, [7], [8], and [9]. But really, female urination device seems rather prurient while this probably wasn't what he thought it was going to be. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 08:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"Living whales"?

Living whales? As opposed to what, dead ones? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:25, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah because dead ones are separated into the classes, Just dead, decaying, eww smelly and all boney. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:28, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Actually, the classes are all dead and mostly dead. If it's mostly dead, it's slightly alive! Corry^{Those are balls.} 09:20, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Don't forget "undead". whales need lots of brains, they are very big.--En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 17:31, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Don't they asplode, too? ħuman 02:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Only when you using da bangpowder. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

That's one of the most awesome pieces of footage ever. Shows you just how well government can work when they really set their minds on fucking up. 67.135.49.198 02:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Much like the war eh jinx. Stuff buddy, keep up the chit-chat!Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:38, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

The Vietnam War, yeah. We should've won that one. 67.135.49.198 02:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, if the pussies in Congress hadn't tied the Army's penises up in knots, we could have surely provided the NVA etc. with an awesome facial to improve their acne! Oh, yeah, and nuke 'em high. Fucking idiot. ħuman 02:46, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

As fun as this is, I am heading home for dinner. I am eating Jinx's children. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 02:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

You're eating Munchkins??? 67.135.49.198 02:45, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

There's nothing like a good placenta steak. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 03:38, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I was going to say something along the lines of "Jinxy's kids are best off being eaten compared to what he does to them" but that would be sladerous and probably untrue so I won't say it. ArmondikoV^theist 05:26, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Jinxy's kids are probably best off being eaten compared to what he does to them. NightFlare^{i haz a talk page.} 12:20, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

PNAS Response to Letter - Stratified

The talk page at CP is heavily edited by A. Schlafly himself. As a service to human(ity), I tried to make the change history visible. Alas, my attempts are far from satisfactory. Nevertheless, have a look:

PNAS Response Part 1

PNAS Response Part 2

--LArron 06:22, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

You have a lot of free time on your hands but thanks for retrieving it, it makes very interesting reading. Especially how the guy who was explaining the statistics (in a manner not approved by His Lordship, naturally) got banned. ArmondikoV^theist 07:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Improved version: PNAS Response... Any idea where to post it? --LArron 14:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

As you probably know by now, parallel efforts are ongoing at Conservapedia: Talk:PNAS_Response_to_Letter and I think we should have both "versions" available. Can you move it to a "parallel" title of some sort, and we can crosslink them? ħuman 17:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler adding to Turmoil at CP

Bugler is certainly ramping up his edit rate, and he's taken to the tactic of dropping in a pile of dictionary definition stub articles. "Please, Mr Schlafly, I can has sysop?" Bondurant 08:07, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Mentioned it somewhere above. He's certainly after that demotion!   ^Contribs_Talk 08:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Bugler, there is another harassing IP address at CP. Please make sure that it too gets blocked & banhammered. The IP address is: 67.135.49.198 ;-) Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 09:18, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm a bit disappointed in Bugler's run of stubby dictionary entries. Clearly, he swiped that idea from Chippy, an up-and-coming competitor. A much better gambit would have been to righteously nail Chip for his copy/paste habit.--WJThomas 09:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Help me out

What is HenryS talking about here? Who does he think SyedO is a sock of? Bjones 09:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hojimachong. Block log $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 09:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. I guess I could have done that myself. Doh! Bjones 10:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hoji, the only self-professed liberal sysop, right? Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 10:11, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Are they falling asleep?

You know things are going downhill at CP when you have to remove your own sock's changes to the Obama article. Bjones 09:58, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

And in a strange turn of events, Joaquin re-removes the Muslim reference. They are so off their game lately. Bjones 10:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

That was classy, BJones. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 10:10, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I know lots of people have worked hard to make the Obama article the piling steam of shit that it is today. I wouldn't want to step on any toes. Bjones 10:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey, I worked damn hard to make the Obama article a pile of steaming dogshit. Anyone who tried to make "improvements" is insulting me personally. DickTurpis 20:17, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

It weren't you then? I liked it. It put CP in total confusion, see Joaquin. And it didn't do any harm. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 10:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

No, it was me. I should keep quiet about these things but my ego tells me to brag. Bjones 10:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Baiting Bungler with "idiot" in the section header was brilliant, I must say. --Toiretni 12:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Hm, interesting. Bugler behaves like a prick to everyone, but the moment an established sysop confronts him, he immediately surrenders the battle. He must really be desperate for that adminship, given how carefully he avoided stepping on DeanS' toes. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.}

Missing a chance?

Aren't CP missing out by asking for contributors to use (the politically correct) "First name & last initial"? Surely they should be asking for "Christian name and last initial". Oh, that'd stop any Jews though and probably Mormons and assorted other fringe wierdos Moonies and certainly Mohammedans Moslems Muslims. Forget I asked.   ^Contribs_Talk 11:55, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Ha! I never thought about it that way. I thought his obsession with AD/BC (like the Christian Rock version of AC/DC perhaps?) put off anyone who didn't use the Gregorian calendar. ArmondikoV^theist 14:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I might be wrong but I don't think the terms 'Christian name' and 'surname' are nearly as common in the States as they are here in Blighty. I think 'first name' & 'last name' are pretty standard, even among fundy types. weaseLOId~ 14:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I've pretty much never encountered them stateside. Applications and the like always say "first" and "last" - but of course, that's probably due to anti-Christian school prayer censoring liberal bias. ħuman 14:29, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm from a relatively conservative (in the old sense) part of Canada, and I only really saw the term "Christian name" written down, never in practice. It was always "first name" or "given name". --Kels 14:47, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Finland

Hang on, although I haven't been paying attention recently, did CP completely miss the Finland shooting? Is there no way it can be used to spin in the argument against gun control? Ajkgordon 12:26, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I did, but was reverted. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 12:30, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Here. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 12:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

No, that can't be you. Karajou clearly says it's Ace McWicked, and we all know Karajou is never, ever wrong. How typically Liberal of you to claim credit. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Are you sure that I am not Ace McWicked? Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 12:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Or could it be that I am Editor at CP? Or maybe I am Karajou? Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 17:08, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

...

This discussion ends here. Communist. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:45, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Right, I am going to block myself. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 13:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

(undent)Somebody has been reading WIGO:Talk, I do believe. Bjones 14:22, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yes, it's well known that WIGO-CP is essentially a cheap way for Conservapedia to keep an eye on their own work. ArmondikoV^theist 14:31, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well Bungler posted it on the Broken News suggestions page but Crock O'shite ignores all the foreign stuff he's so enamoured with McCain and his bimbo side-kick. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 14:47, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I thought it was Sarah Palin and her geriatric side-kick. Bjones 14:54, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Perfect, absolutely perfect. Ajkgordon 15:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think the "someone" is in the same boat as Bugler. That is, they not only read here. They belong here. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 15:22, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Delicious baby blood

A note for CP sysops. Someone "forgot" to turn New Account Creation on, and the result is this. It is my honest opinion that CP will die if not enough new blood will be allowed in. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 15:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I agree CP needs new blood. As it stands right now, any edit I make stays on the recent changes page for about two hours. I prefer that my edits get buried under a pile of other edits, if you know what I mean. Bjones 16:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"...if you know what I mean". Hmm, perhaps it means that you are too humble and modest? ;-) Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 17:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

CP needs new users if it's ever to get anywhere near being "Wikipedia for Wingnuts", like they say they want. But they won't get them, because Andy and Co won't LET them in. Every new user is another sock of AmesG until proven otherwise, and they simply don't have enough trusted suckups sysops to vet every single edit and every 'recent contributions' page for Liberal Subversion. So, Andy continues to strangle his baby in its crib, lest it wander away from him. --Gulik 18:33, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Actually, for once, I'm being useful instead of just yakking on here (I was promised penguin, you see). At User:Psygremlin/FBTB I'm trying to monitor the recent ins and outs over there. So far (18-25 Sept) - 200 new of which 115 blocked. Haven't check contribs from the remaining, but there's one or two I know have been. maybe a +3 or +4 gain in a week. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 21:37, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Promised Penguin? that sounds like me.... Was it? and when? SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 00:22, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Interesting page, Psygremlin. Perhaps you should exclude from your analysis the Bills and such, which "someone" (cough cough) registered just to take available usernames away. And I fear you will soon find yourself "unemployed", as only one new user was allowed in the last 28 hours. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 03:41, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Edumacation

American History round three is trickling in. Corry^{Those are balls.} 15:31, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Student 15 - Yikes. Then I read Student 30 - double-yikes. In the meantime, here's a question of my own: How come there are placeholders for only 30 students on the page when Andy claims to have 50-something? --SpinyNorman 15:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps Andy lets them grade their own papers. God knows it wouldn't be hard. Bjones 16:01, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"I think John Adams presidency was a drag. " Priceless! Can't wait to see what sort of mark that one gets. --Kels 16:11, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

98/100, I'll wager? DogP 17:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Though my favorite has to be the answer to what you admire most about George Washington (great question there, Andy): "I like George Washington’s great leadership abilities the most." Does anyone have any doubts that answer will receive any less than a 10/10? DickTurpis 16:31, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

For fuck's sake...he's actually managed to dumb down the George Washington question! (Cf. "George Washington. Was he really great?") --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 06:37, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

In retrospect I should have joined the course. It's a brilliant opportunity for Andy-approved Poe.--Antifly 16:29, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Again, the tragedy is that these kids aren't getting the proper instruction they deserve. On a side note, a real drawback to any kind of e-grading- when a teacher hands back a hand-graded paper, you can see the emotion where they circled a statement such as "I think John Adams presidency was a drag," drew an enormous question mark in red, and wrote a very large F. Corry^{Those are balls.} 16:41, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Interesting, looking waaaay back up the page I see someone boggling about the competition aspect of everyone posting their homework in public. Makes me smile, since for most of my classes homework assignments are submitted via blog. Seems to work out, more or less. --Kels 16:56, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

John Adams being a drag queen, on the other hand, that'd be interest his-to-ri-cal research. --JeevesMkII 17:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Why do they all have to be referred to as numbers, when the fossil record plainly shows what their user name is? And, yeah, what happened to the other twenty-odd stoods? ħuman 17:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

The cynic in me might say assfly made them up, or they were satirical internet enrolments. On the other hand, it could just be their parents don't believe in computers. Some people still don't have 'em (weirdos!) --JeevesMkII 17:15, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Of course! The other twenty are Amish from over the PA border... ħuman 17:24, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Nah. The Amish don't have enough vitriol to want to associate with Andy. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:34, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Andy only accepts committed Christians, and the Amish just don't measure up. --Kels 17:37, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

They're pacifist aren't they? Goddamn liberals. Bjones 18:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Should any of these answers get posted on the ASchlafly (no jokes) page? I remember a criticsm written there about him publicly grading work which is usually frowned upon, but examples of exactly how well he marks things could beef that bit up a little. ArmondikoV^theist 19:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think there was some discussion of it, but there was some feeling that bringing his students into ridicule might not be, um, chivalrous. DickTurpis 19:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, reprinting what he has them put in public to use as an example of his teaching methods seems totally fair to me. It's not like someone stalked one of the teenagers there and published their address. No need for us to even mention who theusername is, since Andy has handily made them all into faceless numbers. ħuman 19:49, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'm not giving my opinion, just stating what I thought had been discussed before. But admittedly I might have dreamed it. I guess removing any semblance of a name might be a way to remove any mockery of young 'uns from the equation. I have no strong feelings, in any case. DickTurpis 19:57, 25 September 2008 (EDT) Yes. The "h" in your signature does have a mysterious line behind it

(unindent)Oh lord, part three...I showed some of the "answers" from the last round to a friend of mine tonight, and I think he wanted to cry. The Schlaflys of the world are so much more dangerous when they influence the young. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 06:30, 26 September 2008 (EDT) It's a voiceless pharyngeal fricative! ['ħju.mən]

Off-Topic Fun

I found this earlier today and it helped me get through some long teleconferences. You enter a name into the Palin Baby-Name Generator and you get lulz in return. "SpinyNorman" is "Halter Grasshopper Palin", in case you were wondering. --SpinyNorman 17:33, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

My real name produced "Spackle Camshaft Palin". : D Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 17:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"DinsdaleP" is "Mounty Bat Palin" --SpinyNorman 17:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

"Froth Moonshine Palin" I'll drink to that! --Kels 17:38, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I had to try - "Sarah Palin" is "Flack Gobbler Palin" --SpinyNorman 17:40, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

You leave Bristol out of this! --Kels 17:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Turbine Yukon Palin here. Bjones 17:43, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I'm "Stick Freedom Palin". Pink_{(Astronomy Domine)} 17:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think I win. I am Meat Notgay Palin. Corry^{Those are balls.} 18:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think not - "Jinx McHue" is "Penis Bone Palin" --SpinyNorman 18:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I got you all beat, I'm "Scat Dubya Palin." I shit you not. --JeevesMkII 18:09, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Pretty cool, 'cause I was shitting with Jinx (still like it though). --SpinyNorman 18:14, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

First only: Stake Shed Palin First and middle: Log Justice Palin All three: Open Aircraft Palin Bohdan = Steam Fangs Palin SHahB = Jeep Pike Palin Henry = RA!!!!! ħuman 18:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Oddly, entering "Bugler" yields "Ames Sock Palin." Corry^{Those are balls.} 18:33, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Andrew Layton, if you were born to Sarah Palin, your name would be: Luger Otter Palin - priceless. ħuman 18:35, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I am "Scat Dubya Palin" as well. I guess Jeeves and I have similar names...--Antifly 19:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

We have more than our share of Pauls, it would seem. DickTurpis 20:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

So what's on the Palin Baby-Name Generator page that would cause it to be blocked by my work's internet anti-fun-filter? I'll have to try my name when I get home now :-( In the mean-time, what does "Obama" give? Bondurant 04:08, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Corry, you're Karl Marx? -Sρΐяαl.Дгсђıτέςτ^{stand up and shout} 06:09, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

That's funny stuff.... Lets see, Frist name only: Stag Tunnel Palin, first and middle: Mole Valdez Paln, full name: Khaki Salmon Palin, and the best of all.... Full name with suffix, Hump Gizzards Palin. That's priceless. Oh, by the way, Barack Obama results in Tarp Lazer Palin. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 11:58, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Ha ha! Very good. My user name comes up with "Creation Schwarzkopf Palin" and real name "Strangle Thicket Palin" --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:23, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Biden's "lies"

Someone help a non-American (unless the Stephen Harper party gets a majority, then all bets are off) figure out what the hell Andy's talking about? Obviously this is the usual weirdness filtered through what passes for his brain, but I can't even tell what smears he's trying to make this time. --Kels 17:35, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

That one's a reach even for Andy - damn. --SpinyNorman 17:38, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

If Biden is ignorant of the facts, then he wasn't lying as he just doesn't know. If he is lying, then he knows the facts and isnt ignorant. Or, Biden is ignorant of the fact he is telling lies. So, the conclusion is, Schlafly is an idiot. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 17:40, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

You meant, "Blaster Commando Palin" is an idiot. --SpinyNorman 17:48, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I believe his "lies" to be a) That people didn't have no television at the time FDR was in office, and b) The stock market crashed well before he was elected. However, as noted, they can't be lies if they're mistakes from ignorance and vice versa. --JeevesMkII 17:49, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

The oracle has been asked a question. Surely we will get to the bottom of this now. Bjones 17:59, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Mr. Sulu, prepare for Godspeed! --JeevesMkII 18:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Off to the sock graveyard, I'm sure. But still, it's so satisfying just to ask the question. Bjones 18:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Next edit to the broken news Andy drives the point still deeper into his thumb. ħuman 18:23, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Based on this reply, where Andy has once again read Binden's mind, can it be long before "ignorant lying" becomes a CP (and liberal~) term? The countdown starts... now. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 21:01, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Quantum Conservatism

The answer is obvious, Kels. Joe Biden exists in a state of quantum superpostion wherein he is both a liar and ignorant at the same time. In fact, quantum mechanics are able to explain many seeming contradictions in Aschlafly's postions. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 18:17, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Interesting idea actually. It is obvious actually and I dont know why liberals deny this. I am going to add this to the Liberal Denial page. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 18:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

with no real answer to why he needs to "prove" the biden lied. i mean, usually lies are for some gain... what would be the gain to saying that there was TV then.

Actually, what I wanted to know wasn't why Andy was saying he lied (he's a liberal, of course!), but what he was supposedly lying about. I'm still kinda unclear on that. Is it one of those "the new deal never happened" conservative conspiracies, or what? --Kels 19:44, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I actually saw it on the Daily Show last night, it's hilarious. One, FDR was not president when the market tanked, and two, no one had televisions back then. ħuman 21:21, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I thought the thing about him not being President was not a huge error, as he was President shortly thereafter and was the one who really had to deal with the fallout. That was minor. The TV thing was funny, though. DickTurpis 21:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd say that's pretty minor too, saying TV instead of radio. Pretty stupid/picky to declare that a huge gaffe, I bet 99.94% of the audience didn't even notice or care. --Kels 21:45, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Um, for the benefit of cross-ponders in the audience: Biden's "FDR went on TV in 1929" comment was extremely stupid. It would be one thing to name-drop the Fireside Chats in a discussion of the Great Depression without really remembering much about them from your ninth-grade history class; it's quite another thing to confuse FDR with Hoover, or television with radio. (FDR is one of the most well-known U.S. presidents, due partly to his being president for a little over 12 years, and partly to his famous uses of radio: the aforementioned Fireside Chats and his famous speech after the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, which was broadcast live by radio. Television did not play a large role in American politics until the Kennedy-Nixon debates in 1960.

Biden's mistake was a ridiculous and elementary error. Any American schoolchild, asked to "circle the two mistakes in this sentence", would know exactly what the two mistakes were. Biden made a gaffe. Now, that doesn't necessarily make him ignorant; I bet Biden would be able to circle the mistakes himself, if you asked him. The transcript did indicate to me that perhaps Biden was what the kids these days call bullshitting — he never even acknowledged his mistake, as you might expect him to do if he were listening to the words coming out of his own mouth. Katie Couric didn't press him on the issue, either. On the one hand, it's nice that they both acted like grown-ups under the circumstances, and Couric didn't stop the interview and go "gotcha!" — they both seemed to understand that Biden was simply criticizing Bush's failure to act in a manner becoming FDR (a respected and as-it-happens Democratic president) by going on television and explaining things; in that context it doesn't really matter that FDR never went on TV. On the other hand, it was a stupid thing to say, and I'm disappointed that Biden (and his campaign[10]) doesn't seem to have displayed any embarrassment over the gaffe. --Marty 23:01, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

It was a stupid mistake, obviously, but how many mistakes do politicians make? Does Andy seriously want to start throwing around words like ignorant? I mean really... Anybody stop to think about "Fool me once, shame on..... shame on.... Me.......... Fool me, you can't fooled again?" No? How about "Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better." But on a more serious note, this is pretty par for the course for Andy... Remember the big deal about when Obama said "The bomb that dropped on Pearl Harbor?" Andy was all He's a secret muslim, he doesn't even know basic US history.... and seeing how Andy grades his bullshit papers.. He should keep history far away from the table. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 00:34, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Every now and again people still make fun of McC for talking about "Czechoslovakia", so making fun of Biden is only fair. His factual error may not have been as big, but he managed to cram two pretty dumb ones into one sentence - pretty clear that he was more or less talking out his ass. 71.194.134.131

It was a relatively minor error, made unthinkingly while speaking about a more direct point. Sure it was a gaffe - something Biden has been known for - but just like we shouldn't pounce hard on McCain for confusing Shi'ite and Sunni (multiple times), we shouldn't pounce on Biden for this error. Not really newsworthy except as the most minor of "oops" moments, especially when you place it in perspective.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 01:13, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Except that McCain went on to repete that gaffe 3 times over the next two days. He either wasn't paying attention to Lieberman, or he didn't care to remember what Lieberman told him. --En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 12:07, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Liberal tricks

Liberals will often appear in a state quantum superpostion in order to make contradictory statements so they can later deny one in support of the other. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 18:27, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Could explain a lot acutally. Andy's psychic powers must be due to the fact that opinions about school prayer are in quantum entanglement with denial of abortion causing breast cancer. ArmondikoV^theist 19:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Gentlemen to the red courtesy phone, please

Ugh. Let there be no more said about this. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think, Kenny baby, that it's a wonderful idea. Having Hitler and your moronic views on the front page is a wonderful illustration of Conservapedia's content and of sheep like complacency of its owner. On the other hand, the Gentlemen at your website may have something to say about it if they know what's good for 'em. --JeevesMkII 19:38, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

First of all, Kennyboy, do you honestly seek our opinion on this? And secondly, nothing would surprise any of us at this stage, unless you were to happen to develop some semblance of intelligence. DickTurpis 19:42, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, and is there an emoticon for a huge fucking smile and two thumbs up? Because that is totally what I give your Hitler pic proposal. In fact, if you could just replace the entire main page with Hitler's mug, that would be the most amazing fucking thing. EVER. DickTurpis 19:46, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Since you are seeking our opinion, Conservative, mine is that you should get those pictures printed on T-shirts. You could have Hitler nice & big on the front, Darwin on the back, & fit in a Conservapedia logo on the sleeve or something. Distribute them through Conservapedia so everyone can wear them with pride & spread the message to a much wider audience. Something to think about, eh? weaseLOId~ 20:00, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

That is the first url I have ever clicked on either CP or RW that was so long it ran past the address box. But, what do you expect from Ken? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 20:02, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I think Ken should not only put them on the front page, but they should be featured prominently, right at the top for all of 2009. Heck, I think he should make them larger as well, so each pic takes up the full column width, so all can see the evils of the evolutionary position. And maybe expand on the captions a little too, that would be lovely. --Kels 20:04, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken - please do put the Hitler pic on the Main Page. PLEASE. We would absolutely love to see that. It's a great idea. Go man go! One other idea I think might work for you is if you integrated the Swastika into the Conservapedia logo, that would be über cool - I think you should go ahead and do that. Bottom line - Hitler Hitler Hitler, Kenny! PS I see no reason why they should only be there for such limited periods of time. They should be there ALL the time. DogP 20:05, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Ken, I'd answer you but the page is locked. Oh, nevermind, the talk page isn't. Thanks. ħuman 20:10, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Now Human you know no one is allowed to touch Kendoll's pages. You just forced him to delete them that much faster --BoredCPer 21:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Whoopsie, sorry about that kids, I won't do it again. At least that edit doesn't count against my 90/10 balance anymore! ħuman 21:19, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Why does he take 500 edits to write these messages to us, then delete them five minutes later? This guy is fucking nuts. 67.242.83.173 21:20, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

*briefly slips out of wiki-vacation* He's an attention whore. Once you know that, everything else will start to make sense. He'll flood the Recent Changes until we pay him attention. That also (partially) explains his long-as-fuck titles. Tons of his edits (after his mandatory twenty edits to settle on a final version of the message) are simple bumps: Add a random ".", then another one, then another one, then remove them, then add a new one... --Sid 06:40, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

This might go over some people's heads, but is anyone ever reminded of this guy when Ken says "Gentlemen" (or, even anything else he says)? --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 07:09, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I'd never seen that before, but it's pretty funny. Now I can picture Ken talking like that. Thanks. weaseLOId~ 08:32, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Honestly, I was expecting him to post this one instead. But I guess high-brow humour's not for everyone. --Kels 14:28, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

<bow>I am humbled. That was far more representative of Ken than mine was.</bow> Oh, God, the nausea!--Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 18:06, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

ScreenGrab

Are we doing screengrabs on kendoll's messages? He has flashed us again. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 19:33, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

I mean really, why cant he get it right in ONE edit? Is he just trying to get attention? Fucking retard. If I was using eugenics he would be the first to go. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 19:36, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Ooh, buuuurn. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 19:59, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Put links to screenshots and textgrabs at red Telephone (actually, the textgrabs should be saved there as subpages) ħuman 20:12, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

good Human. Here, have a lolly. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 20:16, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Yum, thanks! ħuman 20:32, 25 September 2008 (EDT)

Away from the red telephone

I'm guessing that Ken uses the "red telephone" technique rather than just join up and post here so that his identity as Conservative can be verified. Anyone can create an account here and claim to be Conservative. But not everyone can create a login ("Kennywenny" is my suggestion) on Rationalwiki and then send just the one red telephone message confirming that it really is he. How about it Ken, or do you just like pretending to be a cold war spy? --Toffeeman 04:07, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

He use to be here as Newton, where he most unNewtonlike quoted someone else as a source of authority. I know Newton was a Christian and young-earth creationist, but he was also an opponent of scholasticism and never fell for the old quote from authority falacy, which the entire crutch of all of Ken's arguments. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 04:27, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Reading through the Newton stuff and remembering my little chats with Ken on Conservapedia (Talk:Atheism) I think I have come to the conclusion that my earlier edit was mistaken. Ken is not worried about identity: he has that fixed. Ken uses the red telephone because there is less risk of getting drawn into a situation where other people can tell him they disagree with him. His rapid deletion of these red telephone pages prevents any posts from us. They are the internet equivalent of running up to someone in the school playground, calling them "smelly" and then running away. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else always knew: I'm just writing it down to get it clear in my mind.--Toffeeman 06:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I wonder what all this says about Ken's personality? He doesn't argue or discuss things with people. He doesn't use his own words, he uses videos and picture to back up any argument he has (he calls it parody). His articles are endless quote, again not his own work. He does these shout out and have you noticed the language he uses, impersonal and usually talks about the subject - last time the pictures he placed on the mainpage - as though they are something separate from him. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 08:21, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Suggestion, Ken: Make up some sort of passphrase, go here and convert it into an MD5 hash, and post the hash to your CP userpage. Then come back here, create an account, and post the passphrase itself. At least one of us will generate an MD5 hash from it, and post it to your talk page. If they match, your account will be confirmed as belonging to you. -- λινυσ^(☮) 18:42, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

CP's take on the banking crisis

This section has become too long for our ADHD brains to handle... so it has been moved here to free up space

McCain Wins Debate

...Just kidding, but this[11] is pretty funny... 86.170.31.222 13:06, 26 September 2008 (EDT)Cant be bothered to sign in

sad that it isn't a joke. This ad really was released along with Davis being quoted as saying that McCain knew his points and left Obama behind in the issues. i think they got caught (once again) with thier lying hand in the cookie jar.--En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 15:39, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Math is Back

Well, it's not an original Ed Poor, but similary amusing: a commingling of units and identities --LArron 14:55, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I love how they define "the" multiplicative identity of a field, and in the next sentence purport to have an example of a field with "several" multiplicative identities...--Antifly 15:20, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

One of the shortest proofs in math: e,e' identities of field F => e =¹ e*e' =² e' (¹: e' is identity, ²: e is identity) There can be only one. (Connor McLeod)... --LArron 18:00, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Uhhh, yeah. The "roots of 1"? Would that be square roots? Cube roots? This new guy (ArnoldFriend) is out of his depth in something. Perhaps group theory, DeMoivre's theorem, something. Pretty confused. But other than that, he seems to be harmless and at least barely mathematically literate and well intentioned. No danger that he will undo Ed's damage/lulz any time soon. Gauss 19:33, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Mad Bonus Lulz!!1! Not content with creating a stub article for an esoteric concept, Arnie decides to wikify. Bits of land and pieces of jewlery have multiplicative identities! I knew all that math I learned was applicable to the real world...--Antifly 19:51, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Stooopid vandalism

God there is a lot of shitty vandalism going on today. Come on people, it's Friday. Give me some quality lulz. Bjones 16:03, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

There's plenty of funny vandalism going on all the time, it's called Bugler's contributions. ArmondikoV^theist 18:02, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Total Garbage

Whats this fucking rubbish on CP's main page about liberalism being an addiction? For fucks sake those people are reaching and its hardly news. Stupid christing fuckwits over there, Jesus must be spinning in his grave. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 19:20, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

A right-winger is a zoo animal, released, afraid to leave its cage. They are addicted to their cage. Teresita 19:39, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

If the good lord wanted people to be conservative he wouldnt have given turkeys left wings. Or some such. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 19:58, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Very astute... So symmetrical turkeys is evidence agaisnt ID?

MOMENTUM!!!!two!!

Good heavens, Ken's off his meds again. Didn't he brag about the exact same numbers about three months ago? I doubt there's actually been any movement to speak of, save for the "movement" that dropped the article in the first place. --Kels 19:24, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Horribly written. You might use some quote marks & commas, Ken - they're not being rationed. weaseLOId~ 19:31, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

It's not difficult to get the articles that high up, considering they're a wiki and the sysops insist on linking to all their pet articles via talk pages (although it is rather disappointing, at least you know they'll never top wikipedia and most people will take that as fact over a glorified blog with a stupid(er) name). You know, RW needs to start googlebombing the frak out of it's articles. The one on Andy got up to no.1, surely as a media wiki site we can do better. It would be totally awesome if the Conservapedia article got above the WP equiverlent. ArmondikoV^theist 19:29, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

He's either of the meds or had too many. Ace McWicked^{cast ye the first stone} 19:32, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Cross linking in Mediawiki doesn't work. The Google rankings is based on traffic, other webpages linking to them and softwares guess at how relevant the results are to you. If you follow those links you will get Conservapedia high in a search as that is the site you just came from. All Ken does is ring minor bloggers up and offer them a blow job and a slab of beer for linking their blog to the Conservapedia atheism article. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 19:43, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

"Minor" in which sense, because that could be slanderous...? (I always thought it was the internal linking that did it which is why WP comes top of everything, surely that many sites can't be linking to wikipedia articles on EVERYTHING) ArmondikoV^theist 20:51, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Hey I just worked at what Armondikov was driving at here! Sorry I am a little slow. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 01:25, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Wikipedia is the 8th most popular website so that biases the engine towards it, also I think the search engine favours it anyway as it provided information on the topic you are searching for, making Goggles aim easier. $\approx$$\pi$ _Mowse 20:57, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I thought it was because Google is liberal, and therefore in cahoots with Wikipedia. Teresita 23:41, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Incoming! (yes, the idiot links to the pages before they even exist). --Kels 21:25, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

(edit conflict) Actually, Google also artificially weights Wikipedia in order to prevent link farms from ever reaching the number one spot on common searches. Unfortunately, this screws plenty of legitimate sites that actually have more links going to them (hence, the Wikipedia article about Conservapedia outranks Conservapedia itself, despite the fact that relatively paltry number of sites have ever linked to the Wikipedia article). Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 23:44, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Damn it why did he post a new shout out AND delete it in the middle of the debate? He has to know most of us were watching McCain and Obama so what was the point in writing love notes to us when we won't see them? By the way did anyone get a screen shot of this one? --BoredCPer 22:45, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

I forgot to get a shot, but it was basically boring stuff about how the Google hits are RELEVANT, DAMMIT, and somehow a higher ranking means it's more true, somehow. Not a hell of a lot different than what he put on the main page, really. --Kels 23:13, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Got it! It was in my cache! --Kels 23:36, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh, side note. AliceBG replaced the page with "Gentlemen, I LOVE YOU!", which I thought was hilarious. PJR only blocked her for a day with the comment, "What were you thinking?", I think he thought it was funny, too. --Kels 23:49, 26 September 2008 (EDT)

And after all that, he just takes it away...God, that's just so gay. PFoster 00:28, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Maybe Andy scolded him? Nah, that would take a leader. --Kels 00:53, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Ooh, Kendoll, it's up to #4 on my search!!! You pwned!!! Too bad that in regards of the quality of the article it is regardedly embarrassingly illiterate :) Regards, ħuman 01:25, 27 September 2008 (EDT)

Oh dear, it shows up as #22 for me. Oh well. I wish it were #1. DogP 13:24, 27 September 2008 (EDT)