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Homosexuality and Conservapedia

I created the page Roy and Silo and added some information about bonobos [3]. Bugler reverts the edit [4] and blocks with the summary Mischievous obsession with homosexuality. Do not frighten the horses. [5] Discussion going on in [6]. AncientMonster 12:35, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Ed's response to Roy and Silo. --AncientMonster 12:47, 25 November 2008 (EST)

"Clean up of liberal bias" by Aschlafly. Another example of Ed's response to Roy and Silo. --AncientMonster 13:27, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Just a short note, Ed was so excited that he created two articles on same subject Homosexual behavior in animals and Animal homosexuality. These two are now merge candidates. --AncientMonster 13:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Sow the seeds and watch it grow, good job mister monster. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 13:45, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Roy and Silo has been copied here. Whatever happens it won't be lost. Proxima Centauri 13:56, 25 November 2008 (EST)

PC, please when you copy stuff like this over from CP to "save" it, put it in the conservapedia: namespace, ok? ħuman 19:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)

That was cool. How do I put anything into Conservapedia: namespace? Proxima Centauri 12:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Just type "Conservapedia:" before the name of the article. Simple.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 12:23, 26 November 2008 (EST)

No space between that and the first word Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 12:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Somebody with a clean sock needs to mention these whiptail lizards. --Gulik 15:24, 25 November 2008 (EST)

did anyone understand Andys comment on homosexual lifestyle ? I mean penguins dont have bath-houses, gay bars, hot tubs or Lisa Minelli records so what could he mean . Theres a good chance that I misunderstood him anyway. Hamster 16:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)

That's what he meant. They aren't really gay. ħuman 19:38, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Conservapedia doesn't block for ideological reasons.

Eddie started something about Liberal Censorship. It developed. After many arguments they are trying to maintain that they don’t block for ideological reasons. Now see the fun over Roy and Silo. Proxima Centauri 12:54, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Equal rights for Gay penguins !! I think i smell a trap in Tdealogical article Hamster 13:29, 25 November 2008 (EST)

wouldn't every block for Liberal vandalism be ideological ? Hamster 16:04, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Meritocracy in Action!

RodWeathers, newest block rights user. Less than 500 contribs, over 100 of which are talk page edits! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 14:04, 25 November 2008 (EST)

In your liberal deciet you "forgot" to mention that those 100 talk page edits were obvious parody and ass kissing. Nobody seriously denies this. You strain credibility suggesting otherwise. JazzMan 14:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Soon maybe he can join the ranks of the full fledged admins with less than 500 edits. DickTurpis 14:31, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I don't think I've ever seen a documented parodist get block rights. Bugler et al. are suspected if obvious parodists, but Rod takes it one step further. Truly amazing. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:46, 25 November 2008 (EST)

This quote from Assfly says a lot: You have blocking rights now! This is one of the best aspects of Conservapedia, and you will find value in it. Yes, Andy, the power you get from being able to block people is one of the best parts of your blog. What a sad, sad man. Godspeed 15:08, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I've asked this before, but it stands re-asking; Can the Assfly really not tell the difference between obvious parodists and genuine users, or he simply so starved for people to do the dog work he has to rely on people who don't have his best interests at heart. --JeevesMkII 15:25, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think it's not so much an inability to tell the difference but an inability to care. "You agree with me unconditionally? You stroke my ego constantly? You tell me nothing but what I want to hear at all times? Welcome aboard!" --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 15:39, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Don't mistake Andy's purpose behind Conservapedia. He is little more than an internet troll who has devised an efficient system of bringing troll bait to him. Everything else is window dressing. ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 15:50, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think that is a very good point. ħuman 19:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I think Conservapedia is like a MMORPG to Andy. Imagine, you're playing WoW, you know that the hot female Nightelf you grouped with is probably really an overweight sweaty guy, but you choose to block that thought and enjoy the illusion of the game. Same with Andy; as long as the Bugler's and Saxplayers keep playing the game his way they can stay.^{— Unsigned, by: 131.107.0.113 / talk / contribs}

Hot female nelfs?? There is no such thing, you parodist, you! Any fule noes that female belfs are pixellated sex on a stick. Fox 17:31, 25 November 2008 (EST)

By the standards of some of the fundy & right wing sites, they're NOT parodists. In fact they're rather mild. _and marmite 16:36, 25 November 2008 (EST)

While I can't be positive, I think I've got a grasp on Andy's psychology in a way that I hadn't. He doesn't care if they're a parodist or a true believer. He actually has universal contempt for everyone. He's only interested in working with anyone as long as they further his own plan/thought process. He has no positive feelings for anyone that he works with. He has no problem with hurting anyone he's worked with. This is reflected in the heartbreak of TK's parthian shot, and the entirety of his unwillingness to work to prevent the rampant bullying on his site. -Lardashe

I can only assume that Andy's incapable of suspecting anyone of parody unless it's the most patently obvious stuff imaginable, eg. "Liberals hate Conservatives because Conservatives are so well endowed and also Liberals want to make everyone be gay and atheist. Jesus-name-amen." Publius 17:48, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Trouble is: as things are he'd even leave that, or edit it to "... are so very well ... " _and marmite 18:33, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I wonder when Rod will start using just his initials?  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 04:13, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I've been wondering that too. Not exactly subtle. Pseudomonas 07:41, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Probably just a coincidence. An unfortunately coincidence, really. Publius 11:14, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Then again, it might not. How more obvious can a parodist get? JazzMan 12:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I've been asking that since Bugler showed up. --Gulik 14:03, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Muslim

Claiming that Obama is a Muslim: Insight. Linking "Muslim" to Obama: Liberal vandalism. --Just passing by 14:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, it's because of the dubious name. I have to agree: with a name like that, can't be but a communist. --Just passing by 14:23, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Classic CP irony again: Ed basically puts the link back. Looks like Rod's first block was ideologically motivated! :P Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 15:57, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I love the incongruity of the thing about Reverend Moon here. Now I understand why Ed was distancing himself from the "Obama is a Muslim Trope" a while back. -- Yossarian^{The Man from the USSR} 19:27, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Genetics - help ! my poor brain ...

ed poor edits Genetics
(diff) (hist) . . Heredity‎; 17:09 . . (-3) . . Ed Poor (Talk | contribs) (redirect is not appropriate - it assumes that genes are all there is to heredity)link
er, I thought that was true ? Hamster 17:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Nope. There's magic too! ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 17:32, 25 November 2008 (EST)

There is epigenetics, but it all boils down to genetic changes. Stile4aly 18:43, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Also, don't forget that holding a striped cloth up to pregnant cattle makes them give birth to striped calves. It's in the Bible, and God totally doesn't lie! --JeevesMkII 19:26, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Baraminology is a developing science , it needs a unique mechanism to expand variations Hamster 20:00, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Striped sticks, surely? Pseudomonas 07:43, 26 November 2008 (EST)

CP Admins on RW

How many cp administrators are known to be members of this site (parody or all to real)? Publius 20:06, 25 November 2008 (EST)

• Ed Poor has an unused account.
• CPadmin1 has an account (not been around in a while.
• TK is both TK and NightTrain (and Matt apparently)

Is there evidence that Matt is TK? Let's not accuse Matt without evidence. Proxima Centauri 16:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

• Jinx shows up as a bunchofnumber (see our page on him)
• Conservative was Newton.
• TerryH I think is his account.
• HelpJazz is JazzMan.
• NathanG (blocked, now JonathanG) are Kettlelick or what ever he calls himself.

That is all that comes to mind straight of the top of my head. - User $\pi$ 20:10, 25 November 2008 (EST)

• HenryS is a variety of names, Bohdan being the most well known
• Fox is Fox

It should be stated that these are just major players on CP, not necessarily sysops (e.g., TK and Fox are formers and HelpJazz is a blocker). --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 20:14, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Greetings from Alaska everybody That about sums it up... plus what Arcan said... I can't think of any others off the top of my head and only a few of those accounts were ever used... I'm sure there are more CP users creating parody accounts here, but it's kind of pointless.... You really can't parody something that doesn't have one professed ideology. And a few have their own socks, again not needed, unless to escape retaliation back at CP. By the way, I think the Ed one was a parody account, just like we have a few ASchlafly and variations thereof. SirChuckB^{That is all} 20:18, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Andy has an account, but all he did was transform his userpage into a promotion about himself. Fox was an admin, but he's here and hawt as ever. I think Bugler made an account like Andy too. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 20:20, 25 November 2008 (EST)

No that was Ed Poor look at his contributions it has all the usual hallmarks of Ed's writings (plus the obligatory attempts to gain sysopship).

TK isn't user:Matt, NightTrain's nom de plume is Matt. ħuman 20:25, 25 November 2008 (EST)

• RobS was here, most of his articles tirades got moved to essay after a while. ħuman 20:26, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, Ed's account was apparently for real. I still vaguely remember how we had to slap him around here for his "Myanmar monk mobs attack police" CP mainpage edit before he changed it. And I'm fairly certain that TerryH also reserved his Temlakos name (Was that his alternate name? I think so, but I'm too lazy to verify.), but he just grabbed both names to avoid impersonators grabbing his name(s). Also, I think I once (briefly) chatted with some other sysop here... hm... --Sid 20:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Ah yes, it was BenjaminS (same name on CP, I think). --Sid 20:30, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Dear God was it Ed that posted that WTO riot picture claiming it to be the monks? That was I think my first visit to Conservapedia, I couldn't believe it when I saw it. The absolute bold face lie it was. - User $\pi$ 21:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I do believe that E.Wig is also missing from the above list. DanH was also here and possibly for a very brief period Geo.plrd. Unless I'm very much mistaken Fox was also Lulz and possibly Reynard. There was also Lurker but I'll leave that up to him to fess up to.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 04:52, 26 November 2008 (EST)

And don't forget that Fox is also Genghis Khant. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 05:10, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Lulz was my first account here, but Lurker was nothing to do with moi. Fox 07:00, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I didn't mean you Fox, I meant whoever was Lurker and I think I know who it is.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 07:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Was HeartOfGold an admin on CP? --Gulik 14:06, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Not quite, but close. Heck, they wouldn't even let him have a Constitution Party userbox there, so he came here, where we not only let him have one, but wrote an article on them. Oh, and E. Wig was a TK sock. Anyone want to compile all the above info into one clean list? ħuman 16:06, 26 November 2008 (EST)

EDitor in chief Poor!

He was referring to Andy. ħuman 20:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)

That's cute. Ed and his Editor in Chief . . .aw . . . ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{Not the most impressive contributor here} 21:24, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I hope so, he is arrogant enough as he is without believing he is editor-in-chief to top it off. He still seems to believe that sysops jobs are to tell other editors what to do, the reason he was kicked off Wikipedia, you would think he would have learnt something from that. - User $\pi$ 21:29, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, he did learn something. He learned to go someplace where such behaviour is perfectly acceptable and where the victims have no means of striking back. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:13, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Betting?

Do we have a page somewhere here with a betting pool for things like how long until PJR loses sysop rights? Or until Fox gets perma blocked? Or until Bugler takes off the mask and shows Andy he was a parodist? If not we should make one i think :) --BoredCPer 22:09, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Never (he'll leave in despair), hours, never (he'll fiddle while it burns). Publius 22:51, 25 November 2008 (EST)

There is a Rationalwiki betting pool. It hasn't been used much, though. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 00:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)

How long will this last? Been there 4 hours already. Mahaha. Proxima Centauri 07:44, 26 November 2008 (EST)

My word... quick, someone make an innocent revision so it's covered! Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 10:03, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Already done! Proxima Centauri 10:33, 26 November 2008 (EST)

It's gone. Lasted nearly 5 hours. Proxima Centauri 12:48, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Completely off-topic

I hereby release this self-made image to the public domain and declare that I totally want a fuzzy red sweater with this graphic on it. Somebody with time and PayPal should start selling one. --Marty 23:25, 25 November 2008 (EST)

What happened to our "you're clueless" shop? - User $\pi$ 23:28, 25 November 2008 (EST)

Um, I don't get it. DickTurpis 00:16, 26 November 2008 (EST)

There was a thing on cafepress (?) for a bit with various Schlafly merchandise mostly featuring "clueless" themed swag. However, I guess you have to pay them eventually just to be there, and it went away. ħuman 01:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)

That was mine. Yes, in a callow and cowardly manner I shut my Cafepress "Clueless Values" store down because of liberal deceit because they charge you after ten days and no-one had bought anything in the previous nine days. Maybe some day I'll resurrect it - if nothing else it made me laugh. And I tried advertising it on CP, which was most amusing. DogP 02:52, 26 November 2008 (EST)

To be honest, I'd probably go for RW themed merchandise. ArmondikoV^moral 06:42, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I still don't understand the image. DickTurpis 09:29, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Me either. I don't want to go through all the trouble of knitting a fuzzy red sweater only to find out the message sucks

Also off topic (NSFW)

How would this go down at CP? _and marmite 23:37, 25 November 2008 (EST)

That's friggin' awesome! I like how the baby is like ":D" when he pops out. You can tell I'm liberal. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 23:42, 25 November 2008 (EST)

We had that book when I was a kid. (In English, though). Can't remember the title. weaseLOId~ 07:23, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Better yet, how would this go down at CP? LOL Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 23:45, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I'd expect an article on that book by Kendoll some time in the next 5 minutes... --JeevesMkII 00:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I have to say, I was surprised by the ending of the second book. "My counsilor says I only think I'm gay because I need affection from my father". "Now I have affection from my father." "Oh wait, I'm still gay." Wha? JazzMan 01:43, 26 November 2008 (EST)

All it needs it Hitler! ArmondikoV^moral 06:40, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Jazz, did we read the same book? In the one I read the kid is "not gay" at the end... or were you being sarcastic about the ending? ħuman 16:14, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Heh, that one little word makes the ending a whole lot less random. I guess I failed my 2nd grade reading level test. JazzMan 16:41, 26 November 2008 (EST)

"God has designed us to become physically able to become parents only after we have gained the mental maturity to understand the responsibilities thereof."

I guess that's why teenage girls never get pregnant, right? DeadHead 00:58, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Wow, and to think I removed "same-sex parent" for them... ħuman 01:08, 26 November 2008 (EST)

who wrote that and when did they first get laid ? Hamster 01:12, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Today I was told that Moonies are only allowed to have sex if there's a picture of the "Reverend" Moon near by, watching. This may go some considerable way to explaining anything Ed writes about sex. --JeevesMkII 01:14, 26 November 2008 (EST)

thats kind of creepy, but so was "special knowledge of homosexuality" . I think of the birds and bees talk as being around 6 or 7 in a very simple and non-specific form. Much different advice when 15 :) Hamster 01:19, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Don't ever accept Ed's handkerchief if you have to sneeze. Or maybe do... but know what you holding onto. Somewhere there are instructions about where to send it for whatever reason - thats not a job you want (opening packages addressed there). --Shagie 01:21, 26 November 2008 (EST)

GAH!!! MY EYES! I'm a pretty open-minded guy, but that whole thing is just fucked up. All I can picture is Ed in a gown. And...the Horror. The Horror. DeadHead 01:31, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Really, that is getting creepier. Though again, we have them shying around the issue of what it actually is. No doubt they'll get an abortion thing in there. ArmondikoV^moral 06:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Apart from Foxy's POV drivel in the second para, there's good lulz to be had in "soon will fill father's shoes or mother's high heels" and "parents may have appeased they're child's curiosity". (And surely there should be a link to 'Bristol' Palin in there... ) Cantabrigian 07:44, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Just to clarify - by "Foxy" that means "Foxtrot". My drivel is in other articles, not that pile of crap. Fox 09:01, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Quite so - apologies for any liberal confusion there. Cantabrigian 12:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)

This is something I've occasionally thought about, with regards to Schlafly type interpretation of the origin of morals. If God made women capable of conception at 12 or so, then doesn't that mean that God intended for us to be having sex at that age? Why arnt the Schlaflys of the world pushing for this? ^{— Unsigned, by: 76.121.186.251 / talk / contribs}

It does seem pretty bizarre, my guess is that somebody has not thought this through.--Bob^{bing up} 03:13, 27 November 2008 (EST)

MOAR HITLER

The fog's getting thicker. And Hitler's getting laaaaaaarger! Stile4aly 01:34, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Ken

has only two things in his life; getting his article-babies as high in Google as he can, and getting us to pay attention to him. We are the cats yelping as he tips over liberal cows or some such shit. - User $\pi$ 02:28, 26 November 2008 (EST)

TK's naked lust for power noble sacrifice

"I am more than willing to make the personal sacrifice in terms of annoyance, and join once again with with some of my old partners here and be rid of the time-wasters and arguers-without-end once again. As I recall, it only took us one night to be rid of 90% of them. --₮K "

Extracted from here.  Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 05:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Sounds like he's green lighting "Blunt Knives II: TK Bites Back!" (Rated R). ArmondikoV^moral 06:34, 26 November 2008 (EST)

The original one was entertaining! How do I sign up to the sequel? Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 06:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Why not sign up today at doubleyoudoubleyoudoubleyoudot Conservapedia dot comm, young man! ArmondikoV^moral 07:46, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I guess I should undust my first Conservapedia username, who still remembers fondly those days. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 07:55, 26 November 2008 (EST)

On a side note, poor TK! Unless CP's logs lie, his last block was yesterday... one year ago (Nov.25, 2007)! If he wants someone blocked he has to ask a sysop or even worse, one of these newcomers like Bugler. That must be humiliating! Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 07:55, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Indeed, very humiliation, but we'll be there, tasting those tasty, tasty, salty tears... ArmondikoV^moral 10:35, 26 November 2008 (EST)

TK got sum powerz today! MOAR POWER! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 10:38, 26 November 2008 (EST)

TK's become something. What does that mean? Proxima Centauri 10:42, 26 November 2008 (EST)
TK's TaK.en advantage of Teh Assfly.
Teh Assfly's been badly TaKen in. Proxima Centauri 10:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)

It'll be interesting to see how he uses those upload powers to stem the tide of Euro-Socialism and Commonwealth spellings. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 10:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)

One of those groups has the letters RW in it... I'm extremely suspicious. If you check what is known of the Special Discussions Group, it could be likely they're planning some anti rationalwiki stuff. ArmondikoV^moral 10:55, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Okay, maybe I'm just paranoid. Need to stay off the caffine... ArmondikoV^moral 10:58, 26 November 2008 (EST)

How long until TeamKiller gets block rights? At this rate, my guess is a few weeks... mostly because Andy doesn't seem to have any memory at all. Those who ignore history are doomed to something or another, right?-caius (ninja) 11:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah, they're doomed to be eaten by ravenous dinosaurs. Or something like that. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 13:24, 26 November 2008 (EST) _{<- I'm a bit fuzzy on the details.}

A few days more likely. Proxima Centauri 11:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I wanna see him get block rights. If he's smart he'll keep his nose out of the piles of shit and block accordingly to vandals and other lowly things, but being TK I can expect him to immediately start pushing his weight around (I have block rights, DO AS I SAY!) or block people who he dislikes. He misses the power he had to bully. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 13:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)

He's already pushing his weight around, and doesn't even have the rights yet. I have no doubt that he will senselessly block peons when he gets blocking. JazzMan 16:00, 26 November 2008 (EST)

He has rights to edit when Conservapedia is closed to ordinary users. Proxima Centauri 06:23, 30 November 2008 (EST)

He's got something else new. Proxima Centauri 12:42, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Ideologically motivated zoo directors

Foxtrot has a neat turn of phrase. I like him (or her).--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 05:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Damn those Liberal zoo directors and their blatant Spheniscidaean-Homosexual Agenda! --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 06:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)

"placing their homosexual animals on parade" - is that a Pride Day thing? weaseLOId~ 07:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Some animals swing both ways (willingly or not). weaseLOId~ 11:26, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I just like the "this is largely a sterile debate because behavior is not necessarily moral even if "natural;"" quote. I mean, God's a bit of a c**k to make something "natural" but "imoral"! ArmondikoV^moral 07:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I think it's funny how Ed and Andy state that animals don't perform homosexual acts. I remember going on a hike once and seeing one male dog suddenly jump on top of another male. The unsuspecting dog's owner started yelling, "he's a guy too! stop!" It was pretty damn funny. Jrssr5 08:43, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I had a roommate try that argument on me once; it's so stupid. Male dolphins will have sex with anything, including other male dolphins; various apes are known for engaging in lesbianism. And some forms of frogs are even *gasp* TRANS! (And don't even get me started on invertebrates...what can you call homosexual when EVERYONE has both sets of equipment?) Researcher 11:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I saw a documentary a few years ago called "The Truth About Gay Animals", by gay comedian Scott Capurro. The most interesting part of it was that while he was making the film, he sent out an appeal for any film footage of gay animals in the wild. He got sent tons of tapes, mostly stuff that was filmed by TV wildlife documentary crews but wasn't included in the wildlife films (because it raised too many questions?). It included gay wildebeests & lesbian seagulls (no, seriously!) among other things. Anyway, he met up with Baronness Young (British peer & anti-gay campaigner) & showed her a bunch of this footage. Pretty damn funny. weaseLOId~ 11:46, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I tried to point out that there's really nothing to fear from the idea of gay animals. I just got yelled at :(. Bluefish 09:40, 26 November 2008 (EST)

"We have nothing to fear, but fear itself gay animals" - CP Jrssr5 09:51, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, you'd think an incredibly camp lion would be pretty scary. ArmondikoV^moral 10:53, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Heaventh to Murgatroyd! Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 10:57, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Was that a Robin Hood reference? Even if not, wow. I'm gonna have to watch that movie again with a whole nother point of view. --Marty 13:54, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Snagglepuss, actually. But it's worth watching Robin Hood again anyway. --Kels 18:40, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I like the way Andy sort of allows for the fact that there might be some homosexuality in the animal world, but none have a "homosexual lifestyle". The CP definition of homosexual lifestyle now states that it includes using money saved by not have kids for political action. Well, Andy, you got us there, I'm quite sure I never saw any gibbons in the "No on Proposition 8" rallies. DickTurpis 12:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I think I saw a red crested Crane in one of the protest films.... I thought he was just flying over, but now I wonder.................. SirChuckB^{That is all} 14:22, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Good old Ed

He unblocked our own Dinsdale so he can work on their nanotechnology article, but only if he contrives a way to really write about intelligent design. DickTurpis 10:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)

As I work very close to (very occaisionally, with) a nanotechnology center that phrase is almost offensive. ArmondikoV^moral 11:19, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Well, so much for hoping this would be simple. When Ed handed me a one-month block for simply asking why he reverted reasonable nano-article edits by someone else, he asked me what I would have done instead. So I emailed him back with some definitions and conceptual explanations from sources like MIT, and said that if he unblocked me I'd update the article. So here we are, all playing nice, and he has to go and expect me to tie in ID nonsense. I'm glad to be unblocked, but can the guy ever just leave something simple and neutral, umm, simple and neutral? --SpinyNorman 11:48, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Then don't add the ID crap. Write the stuff you were going to write, then give Ed a writing assignment to do the ID part. Then use his words against him when he cries about not wanting to do it. Pwnd. JazzMan 12:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I'm only adding the factual stuff I had intended to from the start - anything ID-ish will have to come from one of the acolytes. --SpinyNorman 13:16, 26 November 2008 (EST)

If you can do the lingistic gymnastics and outright exaggeration, lying and twisting required to make nanotechnology support Intelligent Design, I shall take off my digital hat and eat it. ArmondikoV^moral 14:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I've seen it done already, and no gymnastics are needed - basically they just claim that all of these advances are about us better understanding how God build everything intelligently. If we learn how protein folding works it's not a breakthrough in science and insight into understanding of evolution - we just figured out one of God's tools, that's all. It's so dismissive it's annoying. --SpinyNorman 14:47, 26 November 2008 (EST)

• Munch**Munch**Munch**Munch* Hmmm... yummy. ArmondikoV^moral 14:49, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Spare the Rod...

Referencing the WIGO item, anyone else imagine that "Excellent!" done a la Mr Burns? Also, I'm rather concerned that he described blocking as the best aspect of Conservapedia. ArmondikoV^moral 10:31, 26 November 2008 (EST)

This little episode has been quite expository of the attitudes at CP. But then, I remember the first time I blocked someone... such a thrill... Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 10:33, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Andy gets off on having whatever little power comes with being top dog at Conservapedia. Like the worst admins at Wikipedia, he looooves the precious his bit. The unsuccessful son of successful parents, he gets to play God in his little realm and create his own wikiality. Claim Obama is a sooper seekrit Muslim? Try to pass off Liberal _______ as encyclopedia articles? Andy's the highest authority on the site, so be careful if you argue with him, or he'll invoke 90/10 and you're out of there. Godspeed 11:13, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Building an online encyclopedia - free. Smacking down liberals and silencing opponents with blocks - priceless. --SpinyNorman 11:50, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I'm pretty sure it's not free... maybe monsieur toulouse can provide us with an itemisation? Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)^{Approach the Presence} 12:34, 26 November 2008 (EST)

We were on the same host in the early days, cheap to set up (100/year?) but if you start seeing significant traffic (like we did), they shut you down until you pay something like 120/mo. We relocated, but CP is probably still there, and they've always had higher traffic rates than us, so it could easily be costing the ass fly a couple hundred (or more? Trent guessed as much the other day) a month. Of course, that's offset by his homskollaring earnings. ħuman 17:04, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Oh, and as far as Armond's second comment, yeah, that schlaflyism creeped me out. The best aspect of a wiki is blocking people??? I mean, it's fun and all, as long as you know them and they can unblock themselves, but he didn't even bring that up! ħuman 17:15, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Typical of the Punishment Mentality that permeates most authoritarian groups. --Gulik 16:29, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Jesus taught in Greek

Aschlafly thinks Jesus taught in Greek. Jesus was Jewish as were his listeners. Aramaic was his native language and was the native language of his listeners. Why should he have used any different language? Aschlafly is an ignoramus. We know that anyway. Proxima Centauri 13:33, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Damn i hate defending Andy...

Anyhow. Yeshua, may have taught in Greek. The Greek old testamnent, the septuagint was a common text of the era, and had become increasingly common due to the helenistic age since the third or 4th century bce. Regardless, we have no way of knowing the truth here. If he existed he may have taught the educated (if they were ever his students) in greek, and the common people in the local language, Aramaic. EternalCritic 14:13, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I thought it was Hebrew, but the only part of the Bible that I've read (and any history pertaining thereof) was the front cover. Would explain why some translations of the good book are confusing and contradictory. In any case, Oh well, who wants to live forever? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... DIIIIIIVE! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 14:38, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Hebrew is a member of the Semitic family of languages. Aramaic is another member of this family. Aramaic of Jesus has a bit on it (surely influenced by liberals). There are a number of transliterations of Aramaic to Greek in the NT. There are also some "fun" mistranslations. My favorite is in Matthew 19:24 - the word for "camel" and "rope" are the same and depend on context for the proper translation.[7] --Shagie 14:54, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Jesus may have known some Greek, but the language he spoke on a day-to-day basis was certainly Aramaic. In fact, in the Bible itself, Jesus' famous cry of "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" is rendered by the original Greek gospel writers in Aramaic as "eloi eloi lama sabachthani" (Matthew 27:46). --Composure1 14:58, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I still like the bit in Behold the Man where it is actually English for "it's a lie....it's a lie...it's a lie." --Shagie 15:02, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Jesus probably knew Greek, the common commercial language of the eastern Roman empire, as he was reasonably well-educated and may have practiced a trade for a while. Still, I don't believe that a Jew living in Judea would have spoken in Greek to other Jews any more than a German would naturally speak to other Germans in English today. The Septuagint was mostly important outside Judea, in places like Alexandria, where most Jews spoke Greek as a native language.

Assfly's reaction to this is telling. He gave the new editor one of his patented improve or GTFU messages, even though the guy was acting in good faith and was probably right. Godspeed 15:32, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Sections of the NT make a little more sense if you start translating from the position that Messiah Yeshua spoke Aramaic: Matthew 19:24 as translated from the Greek reads "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." The word for "camel" in the Aramaic is gamla ... which also means "a large rope". Seems a little something in the meaning was lost between it being said in Aramaic, translated to Greek, and then to English. Meh, its all part of the Christian antisemitism which is still rife today. Its just one tiny step away from, "Well, He wasn't actually a Jew, He was a blue eyed blonde haired Aryan." Fox 15:37, 26 November 2008 (EST)

You have to remember - for some of these people the only thing worse than a Jewish Jesus would be a black president! Oh, wait... Fox 15:39, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Reminds me of white supremacists who associate their belief with Jesus, a downward spiral of lulz. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 17:05, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Not too long ago I found a Bible that was translated from Syriac scriptures. The preface to it listed a large number of mistranslations (ink spot changes the meaning of a word, similar shaped characters lead to mistranslations, and same word (Aramaic has a small vocabulary that depends much on context) being translated with the wrong context). It is really quite fascinating. For awhile, Gene Scott had a program on that TV that looked at the Bible and various translations - trying to get to the core of the message. In many instances he pointed out mistranslations by scribes where the same word doesn't exist and so the meaning (ultimately to English) got confused. His favorite source material was the Syriac. --Shagie 15:48, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I can tell with 95% certainty that Jesus used the Aramic pronunciation of Pokiston as well. Etc 16:19, 26 November 2008 (EST)

yer right about that , the Muslim pronunciation hadnt been invented yet, can we blame Jesus for picking Mohamed as a prophet ? Hamster 16:51, 26 November 2008 (EST)

You'd think that God would have either made the first edition more durable when He wrote it, or would use nanotechnology to create fresh updated versions in current languages as they evolve become more intelligently designed. ħuman 17:02, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Language itself is at fault because the devil makes it evolve. And all evolution is evil.--Bob^{bing up} 17:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)

evolution ? Oh, you mean the inbuilt variability within a baramin , dont worry, you will catch on to the proper terms eventually , till then Godspeed Hamster 17:26, 26 November 2008 (EST) just practising

The Silence of the Australian

I don't know whether Andy "what have you done for me recently" Schlafly has spotted it, but PJR got awfully silent, perhaps waiting for an apology from the leader of CP, editor in chief, genius of the Carpathians (oh, sorry, mix-up with Nicolae Ceauşescu...) --LArron 19:31, 26 November 2008 (EST)

One of his edit summaries indicated he only had time to reply to one person that particular night. He's probably busy with stuff. I would be too if I had a lovely, promiscuous female lover to spend time with for Thanksgiving. Alas, 'tis only true when I'm unconscious... I'd hate to think they're hashing it out off-site to where we can't see any good juicy succulent teeth-aching tidbits. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 20:07, 26 November 2008 (EST)

You have promiscuous women around when you're unconscious? Didn't realize you were that kinky. --Kels 20:45, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah ;), but I can't ever find them after I wake up. :( Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 21:11, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Whut he is saying is that's the only time they are around - when he is unconscious. Wake up, blip, they're gone. Pass out, there they are again! ħuman 02:33, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Hate it when that happens. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 03:50, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Talk about inversion

"Further evidence that the homosexual agenda threatens a free society is demonstrated by the continued assault by homosexual bigots against many churches, including "Forty to 50 signs supporting Proposition 8 were found arranged in the form of a swastika on the front lawn of a Roman Catholic church."[12]" - just, wow. OK, maybe a swastika was a bit over the top, but on second thoughts... maybe not. ħuman 20:55, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Tough call. Denying people their civil rights because of what they are is pretty fuckin' evil, but I doubt most, in any, people who voted YES on Prop 8 would call for the extermination of homersexuals--and extermination is the only type of case that warrants the Nazi comparison. Godwin's law at work. And before you jump all over me, I'm well aware of the Pink Triangle--but it's also the case that while homosexuals were rounded up, imprisoned in camps and killed by the Nazis, gays were never the targets for a mass-extermination campaign. PFoster 20:57, 26 November 2008 (EST)

At PF, I see the sublety. But not the reality. ħuman 00:26, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Fuck, this is complicated. YES, the Nazis targetted gays, so why shouldn't gays mobilise the swastika as part of their campaigns to gain full participation in democratic society? So what if they weren't targetted for elimination like the Jews? Does that crime trump other abuses by the same regime? Is it Godwin's when there is a real historical connection between what you're arguing and Hitler? Then again, why single out the Nazis for their attacks on gays--it's not like you could be out in Alabama. Shit, this is a mess...21:14, 26 November 2008 (EST)

They were victims along with many other innocents, let's just leave it at that. It is explicitly stated in the Declaration of Independence (life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness) and to go against the principle as such is to be un-American. So there. :P Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 21:20, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, if you go by CP's claim that Homer sexuals got it pretty soft in Nazi Germany, with only imprisonment and general abuse, then Ed's suggestion of rounding them all up and imprisoning them or putting the faggy li'l bastards into mental hospitals actually is pretty close. --Kels 21:23, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Whilst gay people were targeted by the Nazis, comparisons of proposition 8 to the treatment they received in Germany before and during World War 2 is a stretch. However the protest was peaceful, if not tasteful, so they have done nothing wrong. Calling it hate speech is just a cheap attempt to suppress free speech, circumnavigating having to engage your opponent in debate. I would have like to seen prop 8 go the other way but seeing as I live on the other side of the planet there is nothing I can do in this instance. - User $\pi$ 21:55, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I agree it's a stretch, but I think they were trying to get the point across that the Nazi's were in favor of denying rights and opressing gay people as well. They're also noting that the RMC was a pretty strong ally of the Nazi's before he took a turn for the worse. SirChuckB^{That is all} 23:57, 26 November 2008 (EST)

Chuck, no, they're calling the gheys Nazis for hassling a gawd-fearing church. Seriously. ħuman 02:32, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Schlaflyisms

Okay, but I would have like to have seen a Schlafly statistic at one point. - User $\pi$ 23:42, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I know but godamn thats a lot of Schlafly in one edit! Ace McWicked^{The Liquid Room} 23:44, 26 November 2008 (EST)

I thought I fixed the header. Now I did. ħuman 23:52, 26 November 2008 (EST)

IRA

I can't believe ASchlafly got away with appearing to sympathize with the IRA. I guess the BS comes too fast for anyone to keep up.^{— Unsigned, by: 76.121.186.251 / talk / contribs}

He's also routinely reverted any edit that condemns abortion clinic bombers.-caius (ninja) 02:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Out of curiosity, is this some new edit, or are you referring to this discussion? Dreaded Walrus 08:41, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I seem to recall that Andy also defended or denied the Serbian genocide, yes?--WJThomas 11:45, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I argued with him on this point as SSchultz. He refused to allow inclusion of the Srebrenica Massacre on the genocide page (and was oddly resistant to including the Rwandan genocide and the Killing Fields of Cambodia). His argument was that the murder of 8000+ Bosnian Muslims was really just mass-murder and that the Christian vs Muslim nature of the conflict was really more like civil war than genocide. He also had the odd requirement that genocide could only occur as a result of government policy, and since the Bosnian Serbs were a militia they didn't count. It's all still on the Genocide page. Stile4aly 14:17, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Fox ...

... has apparently left the building.Image:Fox gone.png (deleted user & talk page & blocked self infinitely & put {{speedy}} on both his daughters' pictures) _and marmite 03:53, 27 November 2008 (EST)

If he comes back here we should be nice to him. Proxima Centauri 05:19, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I think we always have been, on the whole. _and marmite 05:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)

The Good (Fox), the Bad (Jinxmchue), next must be the Bugly. (Sorry!) _and marmite 05:40, 27 November 2008 (EST)

He probably is from a family of holocaust survivors. We need to be very tactful about the holocaust round him. Proxima Centauri 05:50, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I don't think that you need to spell it out! _and marmite 05:58, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I WIGO'd this but Ed's parthian shot at Fox really takes the biscuit. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 07:47, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Have you seen Ed and the Mummers as well? He is beyond all belief! _and marmite 08:01, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I actually know a bit about Mumming: I can confirm that Ed's take that it's Ancient Roman is complete and utter bollocks! It's fun though to watch him make a complete dick head of himself by talking about something he knows fuck all about and trying to convince someone who appears to know something about the matter that they are wrong.Mick McT 10:51, 27 November 2008 (EST)

While that may be true, remember which one has blocking rights. :P That's a bigger contributer to how something turns out on CP than actually being right. ArmondikoV^moral 10:52, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Blackadder

In case Ed Poor looks in here and is wondering about his block of NeilEG, the joke comes in the "General Hospital" episode of "Blackadder Goes Forth". The characters have been trying to find a German spy:

Edmund: And then the final, irrefutable proof. Remember, you mentioned a clever boyfriend...

Mary: Yes.

Edmund: I then leapt on the opportunity to test you. I asked if he'd been to one of the great universities: Oxford, Cambridge, or Hull...

Mary: Well?

Edmund: You failed to spot that only two of those are great universities.

Mary: You swine!

Melchett: That's right -- Oxford's a complete dump!

--Toffeeman 08:12, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Ahh, Blackadder. I am now going to send all weekend watching my DVDs. - User $\pi$ 08:14, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Confuddling them with Blackadder references is a knighthood worthy offense! ArmondikoV^moral 08:54, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Having just watched the Blackadder 25th Anniv. special, I demand that all vandalism now by subtle BA references. Good work! Publius 11:37, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Andy has a cunning plan! Stile4aly 14:18, 27 November 2008 (EST)

LIBERALS!!!!

Looks like we have some new articles to look forward to. - User $\pi$ 08:17, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Is that an actual real term? I think I remember it being said in some film, (10 Things I Hate About You, I think.) where a teacher says "Now, you may think Shakespeare is just some dead white guy, but he knew his shit". So in that context, it certainly isn't what CP are describing it as. That's just dismissing them on racial grounds rather than liberal ones. ArmondikoV^moral 08:47, 27 November 2008 (EST)

It used to be a term of disdain used by the PC crowd objecting to the dominance of er... dead white males in the arts (Shakespeare, Mozart, Leonardo etc.) and demanding more study time for feminist, ethnic "minority" and living artists. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 09:41, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I recall the term being used by Mommy trying to blame Virginia Tech Massacre on the fact those Dead White Males are sharing the spotlight with artists from other cultures (perhaps that's her version of classroom prayer?). NightFlare ...but a^3 + b^3 = c^3 has no integral solutions other than the obvious {1, 1, 1} case.[1][2] 09:55, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Also, it only gets about 15 thousand Google hits, therefore it cannot exist. NightFlare 09:59, 27 November 2008 (EST)

So, the Assfly doesn't believe in quote mining? So why's that Dawkin's quote embellishing their front page? Surely if quote mining didn't exist, they'd have the full quote, which then goes on to answer the "genuinely difficult question". ArmondikoV^moral 10:41, 27 November 2008 (EST)

'Dead White Males' is how a lot of hippies in universities described their English lit. programmes. They wanted to study roaming African poets rather than Oscar Wilde. Because Wilde is white and white is bad. I think that was their intellectual justification for this nonsense. MarcusCicero 14:25, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, Marcus, Wilde is okay because he was gay. Irish helps too. I think you're guilty of over-simplifying the debate. The idea is to open up the canon. If you want to read the best literature produced in the English language, and understand the ways in which things like colonialism shaped English literature, you have to read Ngugi, and CLR James, and Lamming, and a host of others. Same with the advent of feminist literature--try knowing your way around English language lit without knowing Roy and Morrisson. Not possible. PFoster 14:34, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Of course I'm oversimplifying the debate. I'm hardly going to contextualise it in two sentances :-)

Unfortunately, there has been a movement in the last few decades in academia to view 'all cultures' as essentially equal - which they clearly are not. Equal in that they are equally valuable to their constituents, but not equal in intellectual purpose. I think the arguments you speak of could be covered in a general series of lectures rather than a specific subject, at least for undergraduates. Post-Colonialism, the only aspect of English Literature I am truly familiar with, is a case in point. People try and combine the twain, and the twain rarely meets naturally. MarcusCicero 16:34, 27 November 2008 (EST)

The movement has been more to "view all cultures" because most have some to offer, as opposed to only listening to the European imperative. Certainly some people may have run a bit far with it, but to ignore so many voices (the old way) was a terrible mistake. ħuman 02:28, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Straw poll re: Obama's religion and birthplace.

So CP is having a straw poll on the burning issues of the day. i don't want to dignify their stupid and scurrilous charges with debate. What gets me in this is how they try to justify thier hateful positions by hiding behind the phrase "some conservatives," when they should be saying "a few fringe figures with no real political credibility whatsoever." Reading CP, sometimes the people I feel worst for are conservatives, who end up getting associated with the ravings of a bunch of morons and lunatics. This means you, Ed. PFoster 11:46, 27 November 2008 (EST)

"This discussion will be visible to the public, but only sysops may participate." Well, at least they're half open. Though what the hell do they mean by "how to portray our new president". Surely by some measure of reality... never mind. ArmondikoV^moral 11:52, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Holy shit, I've just nearly choked reading Bugler's contribution to the talk page! ArmondikoV^moral 11:54, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Yeah, he even removed his criticism of the poll. He must've noticed the irony meter red-lining and removed that part. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:56, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Good to see painfully-obvious-parody in action. Publius 11:59, 27 November 2008 (EST)

But gotta admit, this edit in the Main Page talk page is wonderful. Editor at CP^{Oh, Finland! Why?} 12:15, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I'd say Buggy pretty much nails it, actually. Even if Andy is on the losing side of the poll, nothing will change--the Obama page will stay just the way Andy wants it.--WJThomas 12:43, 27 November 2008 (EST)

“”In the great American democratic tradition, the administrators of Conservapedia are debating how to portray our new president elect Barack Obama. This discussion will be visible to the public, but only sysops may participate.

Ed Poor: Closet parodist, or possessed of a subconscious much more observant than he is? --Gulik 16:41, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I'm amused that it goes directly from Ed saying they're "debating how to portray" Obama to Andy saying "you'll portray him how I tell you, the dirty Mooslim". --Kels 08:13, 28 November 2008 (EST)

And to go along with "two meters"...

We have cp:ten seconds. Great job Ed. DickTurpis 12:39, 27 November 2008 (EST)

What the fuck? Conservapedia, the encyclopedia that advocates slapping. weaseLOId~ 12:45, 27 November 2008 (EST)

NEEDS MOAR HITLER!!! --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 14:18, 27 November 2008 (EST)

If Hitler had counted to ten, none of that whole mess would have happened. --Kels 16:46, 27 November 2008 (EST)

A very important rule for Ed, I guess everyone he meets gets the urge to belt him. A good percentage probably follow through on the impulse. --JeevesMkII 16:55, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I immediately thought it had something to do with slapping around women, but Ed always makes me think of the more hateful things in the world. -- Yossarian^{The Man from the USSR} 00:04, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Bonus points to the first person to create cp:4.47 miles per hour! --Marty 00:30, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I struggled to make a joke that combined two meters with ten seconds. I applaud what I assume to be the correct answer :) ħuman 02:14, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Ooh, looks like I swung and missed under the influence of too much pie last night. The correct answer is cp:0.447 miles per hour, as I could have found out in half a second with Google; but of course I had to go using a calculator, and of course I had to start by assuming there were 2000 centimeters in a meter... /me is ashamed. --Marty 16:47, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Good old Ed. Redefining "brainfart" down. Godspeed 08:46, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Needs Hitler. I suggest the Hitler picture with the caption: "If Hitler waited and counted to ten after discovering he was an atheist rather than angrily acting out his views on evolution..." or whatever. ArmondikoV^moral 09:07, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I'd love to spend a day in the life of Ed Poor. I'd say there's a lot of hardcore porn-masturbating interspersed with ritualistic filth inserted on conservapedia. MarcusCicero 10:34, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Conservative has new source for Hitler pictures.

Apparently Ken has discovered the new online LIFE archives. Dude, the watermark is right on the picture. That means you can't use it in your articles. At least crop out the evidence. PFoster 14:50, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Hate to say, but he's right to leave the overprint on. It de facto gives attribution - not to say he's OK using it without permission though. _and marmite 15:03, 27 November 2008 (EST)

HI KEN!!! PFoster 15:19, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Love that "discovered" & "may". _and marmite 15:34, 27 November 2008 (EST)

"Fair Use" only gets you so far. ArmondikoV^moral 09:04, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Decisions, decisions....

Shall I blow £25 on the domain name ♡kendoll♡.org (XN--KENDOLL-QL7DH.org) and if so, what should I do with it? --JeevesMkII 17:07, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I'd go with kendemyer.com.-caius (ninja) 17:09, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Actually, what I really want is U+26A2 (.com/.net/.org, xn--67h.com or something) to point to ken, it's the "gay" symbol (two interwined male symbols), but firefox doesn't seem to have a glyph for that codepoint so it's kind of useless. --JeevesMkII 17:14, 27 November 2008 (EST)

For the record, I think you mean U+26A3 (⚣). U+26A2 (⚢) is two intertwined female symbols. And it's not Firefox's fault if the font you're using doesn't have a glyph for that character. (Sample point: Ubuntu's default install seems to be completely Unicode-ready.) --Marty 00:26, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I've been thinking about setting up some kind of "CP-mirror" -- I don't know much about wikis, but it should be possible to make some kind of bot that monitors CP, and copies every edit, edit comment, block etc. to a "mirror" wiki. Minus the memory-holing, of course. kendemyer.com (or is it kendemeyer?) would be a great address for that project. Some day when I have infinite amounts of time on my hands. Etc 18:40, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Ken

is Ken DeMyer, read our (sub)article on him. - User $\pi$ 20:13, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Heck yes, someone needs to create a mirror/memory-hole. You just have to pull down the data and put it in a local copy of the MediaWiki tables, and then present it to users as a read-only wiki. --Toiretni 22:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)

Nice idea. How about Conservapedia-concience.org? --Gulik 23:30, 27 November 2008 (EST)

How about we call it "RationalWiki"? Just an idea... ħuman 23:58, 27 November 2008 (EST)

"RationalWiki"? Mmmm, nah, that's a terrible name! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 07:26, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, that sounds like an appalling idea for a site... :P ArmondikoV^moral 09:03, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Interesting

I see Eddy has blocked PJR (again). --Horace 23:14, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I'm only following one TL;DR discussion right now (Andy and Foxtrot vs. AlanS and BRichtigen about the Axiom of Choice), so I totally missed PJR's recent actions. So... WHAT? Why? Is he still trying to convince Andy that Obama isn't a Muslim? --Sid 06:15, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Tried to warn him with my rant before... being Mr. Nice Guy is what most have tried, and failed, and were blocked. The only way to get his point across is to fight abuse with (righteous) abuse. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 07:25, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I know. We should help PJR out - right now Andy is denying calling Obama a Muslim directly. There are definite mainpageright items that I know he outright called Obama a Muslim. I say we supply the ammo, as to how he uses it is up to him. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 07:33, 28 November 2008 (EST)

But beware - in my experience, when you start posting diffs to put Andy in his place, that's when the memory-holing begins, and all our other favorite diffs disappear forever. Etc 14:31, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Schlafly logic?

Am I the only one who thinks that Schlafly doesn't realise what he's saying here, or am I the one misreading things? Dreaded Walrus 08:18, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I saw that last night, and it just looked like Andy reflexively spewing out random phrases in response to anything that makes liberals look non-evil. I doubt it's supposed to make any sense. --Kels 08:44, 28 November 2008 (EST)

He doesn't read links that users post. It's as simple as that. ArmondikoV^moral 09:00, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Hey, even I haven't read the link (having a busy midday), but surely he can at least take the time to read the section header he's posting in? If you're commenting in a section that includes "myths Conservatives believe", you shouldn't complain that your beliefs aren't listed, surely? Then again, he's not exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, our Andy. Dreaded Walrus 09:22, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I like Andy's reply: "In fact, there are no myths that conservatives believe about liberals." Uh-huh...Everything they say over there is absolutely gosh-durn true.--WJThomas 11:35, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I'd be happy to include a list of "myths about (neo) conservatives" but they'd be things like gun-totting... gay hating... atheist bashing... well. Are they really myths?!? ArmondikoV^moral 12:39, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I dunno. To judge by the Bush Admin and our own home-grown fascist wanna-be's, a lot of that stuff is just window dressing. What it comes down to in practice is nothing more than sheer, naked power. It's all about power. There's nothing else, and no limits on what will be done to obtain it. Most of the gun-totin' and gay-bashin' and pro-lifin' is just tactics. --Kels 12:57, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Edmund Poor, Morris Man

Jesus Sung Myung Moon wept, Ed is a farking Morris Man. Does this man go out of his way to join in activities designed to alienate him from the general population? --JeevesMkII 08:25, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Of course, Ed doing Morris Dancing what, forty years ago for probably a month or two, carries more weight than a guy who's been Mumming for 20 years and Morris Dancing for 30. What a tool. --Kels 08:46, 28 November 2008 (EST)

This goes part way to explaining everything. ArmondikoV^moral 08:59, 28 November 2008 (EST)

After reading the discussion on mummers I a have finally worked Ed's (and pretty much every sysops) angle, they don't want an encyclopedia they want to be "right". Right here is not defined by correctness, it is having what they write prevail regardless of correctness. The same thing as the axiom of choice the other day, it didn't matter if what they wrote was incorrect/incomplete it was what they wrote and so any intrusion by someone who knows more is offensive. It is not editing the articles that upset them per say, it is editing them in away that shows you no more on the subject then they do. With this sort of behavior Conservapedia is never going to contain more than what the sysops know or can find in a google search. Also what make Ed think mummering began in Rome, it only says the festival began in Rome. - User $\pi$ 21:29, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Note it's a perfect CP source, too. Non-authoritative, no references, non-scholarly, just the result of a random Google search. Although it's more authoritative than anything in the Obama article, so I guess we should be grateful. --Kels 23:53, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Bodhan's firm resolve

Bodhan: Andy, do something about these parodists before they kill the site.
Andy: Give me evidence first.
Bodhan: Okay, here's the evidence.
Andy: (failing to actually read the evidence) Nope, he agrees with me, so he's okay.
Bodhan: All righty then, guess I was wrong.

And then Bugler comes in and gives his support to parody boy, because that makes things so much better. Way to stick to your guns there, Henry. --Kels 10:01, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Kels does being a superior twit come natural or do you have to work at it? ^{— Unsigned, by: 204.187.154.49 / talk / contribs}

Aww, I'll never be better than you, sweetie. --Kels 17:37, 28 November 2008 (EST)

To be fair, sticking to the guns would probably not have accomplished much anyway. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 10:21, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Birds of a feather parody together. Publius 10:48, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Why should Andy give a rat's ass about parodists, anyway? Worst case scenario, they drop the pretense and go on a ban-and-vandal spree, which takes an hour or so to undo. Meanwhile, they're doing do all the heavy lifting, making the arguments that even Andy is smart enough to avoid, driving away liberals and others blessed with common sense, writing articles, etc and so forth. Suckers....--WJThomas 11:32, 28 November 2008 (EST)

The only thing he needs to contend with are people saying "I told you so" and getting banned for showing his ineptitude. This is why Bugler is working so deep, creating scars that not even Andy can wash away. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 12:08, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Spamming links to external sites

I’ve started writing this type of thing to Conservapedia users who got blocked for no good reason.

“Sorry you got blocked. If you’re a Christian these wikis may be better for you. If you’re an atheist try one of these. If it’s clear which a user is I give only one of the links. Most types of Christianity are less extreme than Conservapedia.

They delete the comment and block me as fast as they can. Recently they called it, "Spamming links to external sites". Clearly they mind. The chances are some of the users see the orange flash and get the message before it is deleted. Other RationalWikians with dynamic IP's may like to try something similar. Afterwards I have to make new sockies. Proxima Centauri 16:11, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Emailing them also works, if they had email enabled. (Most don't.) --Gulik 16:16, 28 November 2008 (EST)

This one is actually pretty clear cut. Conservapedia commandment 5 says: Do not post personal opinion on an encyclopedia entry. Opinions can be posted on Talk:pages or on debate or discussion pages. Advertisements are prohibited. That is pretty clearly an advertisement and therefore not allowed. --CPAdmin1 20:20, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Some rude people keep taking my advertisements down, even though they are Conservapedia related. - User $\pi$ 20:23, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Speaking of spamming links to external sites that is what I thought this was until I saw the name. - User $\pi$ 19:52, 28 November 2008 (EST)

But this is okay. After all, the link to Amazon is totally not advertising. (The ratings are lulzy for the book) Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:36, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Paris Hilton strikes a nerve

Someone doesnt like Paris. [8]

Classic Jpatt, Classic Conservapedia Mixed Message...

A project meant to present a message of co-existence and tolerance between Jews, Christians and Muslims is (see section: The Message") "a great message to teach. To love thy neighboor. To accept the religion of your brother. To tolerate one another as God tolerates us" Of course, don't forget that "Islam doesn't tolerate non-believers, only people that adhere to Muhammed. The Jews and Christians are tolerant people but don't tolerate evil. " PFoster 23:02, 28 November 2008 (EST)

Yes, I can see why the editors are at CP now where they can block out anyone. It must have been hard for them to edit a WP as they would have to have tolerated people they thought of as evil. - User $\pi$ 23:03, 28 November 2008 (EST)

I can understand that CP in general wouldn't be fond of Wiccans, and the less said about gender at the He Man Girl Haters' Club the better, but what's he got against peace and, of all things, Taoism? --Kels 00:00, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Secular, the both of them. But that's par for the course. What gets me is how Jpatt craps on the liberals for co-opting and watering down this important project about tolerance and embracing God's love for all His creatures--and then craps on the Muslims, a third of the project in question, for being intolerant--and evil-loving. PFoster 00:03, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Until very recently, their Wicca article was actually extremely tolerant. Even now, it's not as bad as the one about Obama. Researcher 11:32, 29 November 2008 (EST)

The Great donut war

The donut war is restarting. Of course TK is doing it. Will experienced RationalWikians please tell me. What was it about? Proxima Centauri 03:29, 29 November 2008 (EST)

What were TK's reasons for deletion? He seems to have been quite insistent (put the deletion template up three times) but never wrote any reason at the donuts page, & the ADF link is deleted now. weaseLOId~ 09:18, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Not "concise" enough? If it gets any more comprehensive it'll be in danger of turning into a homosexuality article. ArmondikoV^moral 13:44, 29 November 2008 (EST)

The Great Donut War was a fake edit war that me, a few others, and then-Sysop Hojimachong cooked up to satirize Conservative's guardianship of the Evolution article. I think it was about whether a Berliner Kampufchen was a donut or not; Hoji would maintain it was, I said it wasn't, we'd edit war and he'd block me for a year for "ideological editing," then we'd repeat. TK wasn't a part of it; he wasn't cool enough :)-caius (ninja) 14:30, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I came along a bit too late for DW I (all I had to show for it was my "this user thinks the universe is shaped like a donut" box), so it was fun scratching the scar and launching DW II. Not that v II was anything compared to I. By adding a link to pastry there, it wound up on RC, and TK got confused about his elbow and another body part. I see (I think) that sanity has prevailed in the absence of the slightest reason to delete it, though I must page through a few diffs now... ħuman 18:06, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Ha, I see TK removed "someone" whose writing style is unmistakable's "political hooey". You went a step too far there ;) Also, when did they get that nifty Bible verse pop-up widget??? Kan we haz? ħuman 18:10, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Bert

[9] WTF? _and marmite 03:58, 29 November 2008 (EST)

At least he is not writing about KAL 007. - User $\pi$ 04:20, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I understand that Mr Schlossberg is a bishop in the Chaldaean Church, so seeing some theological opinions is not unexpected. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 09:41, 29 November 2008 (EST)

huh ? when I get to heaven I get a big white stone with my name on it ? Do I drop that from Heaven to mark my final resting place or what ! Hamster 12:10, 29 November 2008 (EST)

You throw it at the atheists roasting in hell, presumably. --Kels 12:17, 29 November 2008 (EST)

It's from Rev. 2:17. It probably represents a token of admittance into Heaven, or there could be a connection with a Roman practice of using black and white stones to cast vote for "guilty" vs. "innocent" in court cases. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:24, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Conservapedia day awards

The absolute cheep pricks!

Check out Buglers' user page. DeanS has given him two awards. Checkout the code,

{|style="width:300px; height:200px; text-align:center" border="5px #0000BB solid" align="left"
|- 
| 
[[Image:Champion cup.jpg|175px|center]]
This is to certify that 

'''[[User:Bugler|Bugler]]''' 

completed ''135 new pages'' and is awarded 

'''<big>Second place</big>'''

'''<big>News Section - Wanted Pages</big>''' 

From Conservapedia, on November 21, 2008 
|}

Compare with ours

{|style="width:400px; height:200px; text-align:center" border="5px #0000BB solid" align="center"
|-
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[[Image:Senator Jesse helms.jpg|center]]
This is to certify that

'''[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]]'''

received the

'''<big>JESSE HELMS MEMORIAL AWARD FOR BIGOTRY</big>'''

From RationalWiki, on November 21, 2008
|}

All he has done is make them 100px narrower and float left and right so they can sit two abreast. Nice way to show your gratitude stealing our award design and giving out to your (l)users. And to absolutely fuck me off DeanS was the one that blocked me for posting them the absolute scummy shit. - User $\pi$ 08:56, 29 November 2008 (EST)

It's a service we provide. RW editors learn wiki coding and css so they don't have to! ArmondikoV^moral 12:37, 29 November 2008 (EST)

So, if imitation is the greatest form of flattery, what does that make outright plagiarism? --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 12:51, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Probably something that should only be done on the third date. ArmondikoV^moral 13:02, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Hehe, that's funny... reminds of back when they "borrowed" our side-by-side template. Freedom to experiment and create enhances learning, after all, so we invent way more cool shit than they do. ħuman 18:12, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Sexual addiction is a fatal disease

Silly Ed wrote this. PhilipI tried to make it more sensible. PhilipI got a month block. They think that’s nonsense. Combing your hair to prevent head lice isn’t nonsense, Is it? Linking to articles about lice and flees isn’t nonsense, Is it? I suppose that means they must think it’s nonsense to suggest that the sex drive weakens with age. Now they are really clever there. Proxima Centauri 11:39, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I think PhilipI hit a nerve with this particular Conservapedia insight:

Sex addiction can also manifest itself by obsessively writing about sex on wikis etc.

 Lily ^{Ta, wack!} 11:58, 29 November 2008 (EST)

RationasWikians with dynamic IP's can link other articles about sex to that one and explain about the obsession. Once you're blocked you have to make new sockies. Proxima Centauri 12:07, 29 November 2008 (EST)

"It offers hope and the possibility of recovery." - recover from wanting sex ? who wants that ! Hamster 12:13, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Well, he gets all that from a book with the baffling title, Freedom From Intimacy. I assume the authors are insane or something. --Kels 12:29, 29 November 2008 (EST)

On the Lice article, this was such a non-sequiteur it made me laugh. --Kels 12:39, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Holy non-sequitur Batman!! That's very impressive. ArmondikoV^moral 13:04, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Combing your hair prevents head lice? Yeah, I'd call that pretty much nonsense. DickTurpis 17:25, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Not sure where to put this, but speaking of non- things, has any one seen this? -- Yossarian^{The Man from the USSR} 18:01, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Yup! he keeps on pushing his claim to fame. _and marmite 18:05, 29 November 2008 (EST)

He tried to push a slightly less egregious version at WP a while back. To show just how little he's changed in his style, and what an awful editor he was and is at WP, see the original version (keep in mind he had been editing for 4 years when he started this "article". DickTurpis 18:16, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Oh wow, and he even tried to spam user pages to keep it from being deleted. I mean, that's got to be Ed, right? -- Yossarian^{The Man from the USSR} 20:57, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Isn't canvassing support against the (WP) rules? (IP address is AOL - doesn't seem likely for Ed, but who knows?) _and marmite 21:23, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Definitely against the rules. I dunno...just the way the message goes seems so Pooresque to me. -- Yossarian^{The Man from the USSR} 01:13, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Even a few edits later it still looked horrific. Oh, and he even mentioned himself in that article, too. Dreaded Walrus 01:17, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Pi's inability to read

Earlier some on pointed to the Edmund Ward Poor on Conservapedia where Ed talks about himself. I had a look through wikipedia and found him doing it their as well. First of he kicks it off Ed style with nothing but a link then he adds detail with no understanding of how the wike markup works. Then he does the Ed classic cutting the article down. The he adds himself like he is important. I know it has been said before but he is a arrogant prick and how, in all that is good, did he end up a bureaucrat there? - User $\pi$ 05:40, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I've got ed on my WP Watchlist - he's funny! There's times this page ought to be WIGOED instead of WIGOCP. _and marmite 06:07, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Can we start a WIGOED off shoot you reckon? As it is we have to achieve this page now every two or three days, if we remove Ed we will take about 20% of the content away. - User $\pi$ 06:19, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Andy vs. Civil Rights

Oh, dear. It's pretty decent so far, being just a point form timeline, but with Andy it's not so much a question of is he going to fuck it up, but how. Worth watching, in that train wreck sort of way. --Kels 13:24, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I'll tell you exactly what will happen here--embrace MLK (Christian, conservative) in his "I have a dream" mode, show how Christianity brings out the best in the nation, allows it to work for social change and right past wrongs. Ignore later-day MLK and his profoundly militant criticism of American imperialism and the Viet Nam war, which he tied closely to domestic race issues. Minimise the work of Democrat Presidents JFK and LBJ re: Civil Rights. Paint Black Panthers/Angela/Stokely/ etc. as communist/communist sympathizers/terrorists. PFoster 13:32, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Wikistalking Ed

Like a dog returning to its vomit Ed keeps returning to WP to belabour the point (that he was right all along) here about "undue weight" & here about "truth ;which a) has a liberal bias and b) is totally foreign to him. (on truth he comments thusly:"essay, which I hope to see made into a guideline if enough contributors agree with it"). The man never knows when he's beaten, grant him that. _and marmite 15:55, 29 November 2008 (EST)

It's part of the ongoing campaign to get creationism into the evolution articles, and to a lesser extent get denialism into the global warming articles, by presenting them as "minority views" rather than religious/corporate/political gambits. Simply sticking them in by force wasn't working, so people like Ed are trying to change the actual site rules so they can be gamed easier. Presumably, one of the reasons he wanted his adminship back is so he could have a greater voice in any discussions. --Kels 17:08, 29 November 2008 (EST)

... and did we know Ed was half Jewish? Makes his persecution (intended word!) of Fox seem rather ...ahh ... strange. (& love the way he drops in "I may have been the 188th person to sign up here, ...") _and marmite 20:06, 29 November 2008 (EST)

188th Wikipedian isn't too impressive, he should call himself Wikipedia's first moonie-christian-muslim-jew. --JeevesMkII 20:28, 29 November 2008 (EST)

He is, indeed, all things to all people. --Kels 23:05, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Personality quiz

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Matt 16:54, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Ed's writing class didn't exist?

That's not possible! On November 20th, only 2 days after passing out leaflets on street corners, he was teaching two classes: one for 3rd graders, and one for 7th graders, here. Gauss 18:47, 29 November 2008 (EST)

If he did it was only for a week...-caius (ninja) 19:01, 29 November 2008 (EST)

That combination of edits moves Ed on my "creepy meter" to OH FUCK BROKEN DAMMIT I have to apply some of my irony meter improvements to it to defend from COMPLETE GROSS OUTS. Sorry for shouting. ħuman 22:46, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Creepometer overload, from a massive burst of disturbatron rays! --Kels 23:07, 29 November 2008 (EST)

d-i-s-t-u-r-b-a-t-r-o-n... disturbation... mast-... had to take another glance since this is Eddie we're talking about. Maybe his class was about bullying others to do the work for you, since he's the A-class type to achieve that. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 11:47, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Presidential Line

I wonder if they will realize that the President pro tempore of the Senate is Robert Byrd, not the majority leader.--TimS 20:26, 29 November 2008 (EST)

when img bot fails

Like on the current Ed Poop vs. Fox crap. Should we delete the failed images and uno the img tags? Change the img tags to "no"? Halp! ħuman 23:17, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Disintigrated..

TK is the most disgusting, poor excuse for a human being... after continually changing Fox's user page, TK had "CPAdmin1" delete it entirely. TK is back! With his power-tripping, intimidating, manipulating, and just plain gross ways, CP has no hope, and I have finally stopped caring. (yes, I am ashamed to admit that I did actually care at one time). Congrats TK, you must be very proud of yourself. 85.195.119.22 23:26, 29 November 2008 (EST)

Hey, me too! JazzMan

If TK DOES destroy Conservapedia, he'll have succeeded where we've failed. I respect him for that... that is, for his impressive evil and malignity, apparently more potent than logic, reason, and wandalism.-caius (ninja) 23:45, 29 November 2008 (EST)

I find it hard to believe that Tim would let himself get manipulated into doing anything for anybody that would be detrimental to the site. He's smarter than that...PFoster 23:48, 29 November 2008 (EST)

To go by what I've seen of Tim so far, I suspect he deleted his page to get rid of the rather vile crap Ed was pulling, regardless of anything TK-related. Mind you, I haven't seen all of what went down, I'm just going by the personality he's displayed so far. --Kels 00:14, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I deleted it because it wasn't doing anyone any good in any of it's forms, and since 1 of the options was definitely bad, and the other would simply result in fighting, I thought it best to just delete it. --CPAdmin1 00:58, 30 November 2008 (EST)

Well, at least the deletion of a departed editor's user page is better than hijacking it like Ed and TK did. --SpinyNorman 12:31, 30 November 2008 (EST)

I still believe TK was behind it. It sure looks like he wanted Fox's page deleted by what he wrote in this diff-Revision as of 01:29, 29 November 2008 TK (Talk | contribs) (actually, a user deleting himself shouldn't have the template on the page, nor should they have any page at all. policy has been to just delete the pages.) So then CPAdmin deleted it. At least Learn together had the backbone to restore the page. 85.195.123.25 13:31, 30 November 2008 (EST)

TK's an ass. There is no policy. It's one of those things that he's claimed to have talked to Andy about, but can't prove it, and doesn't want you to ask Andy about. Because he's the real leader, right. JazzMan 18:43, 30 November 2008 (EST)