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Cdesign Proponentsists

If the proposed merge with Kitzmiller v. Dover on CP goes through, anyone care to lay odds on how long it'll be before any mention of "Cdesign Proponentsists" is removed from the merged article for being extraneous or off-topic?

I was thinking of searching for "cdesign" to see if it declines or gets mentioned (if they have an article on "cdesign proponentsists", I would love to see them wiggle out of it...), but it seems to be going iffy... again. EDIT, oooh, they do have one, and it's fairly straight forward, apart from the weasel words, there's no wiggling or squirming. That's terrible... Armondikov 17:19, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Aw, what a pity if it goes away. It was good enough that I pretty much copied it verbatim to our article. Probably removed some cp links, though. ħuman 17:28, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Check the article history. Jinxy apparently has been "improving" that article over the months... --Sid 17:30, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah...... they don't seem to be able to decide where and how to mention that the verdit neglected to use the term "cdesign proponetsists". My favourite diff is interesting, so was it an actual book or actual draft versions? I'm pretty sure they were previous versions that were published but its a good use of some weaselling, you have to be impressed with it. Ooh, and now it is merged with the Dover Trial. Surely this is the first step to them erradicating it, worth watching to see if it gets smaller and eventually goes poof. Armondikov 06:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

...aaaand there it is. Elapsed time between "merging the articles" and deciding that the newly-merged information "had nothing to do with the article": about 24 hours. Andy never disappoints. --Phentari 21:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Let's see them spin this deceit

Ted Stevens indicted. Those evil liberals brought false accusations!1~!~!`~forty-two!!3 Norseman^Wassail! 18:32, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh! Oh! Another chance to deploy the George Galloway defence! I've never seen a barrel of oil! --81.187.254.242 21:55, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Mandatory Betting Pool

• It will be ignored as long as possible. Once it's brought up, Andy will argue that he's not really conservative and that "oddly enough, none of the Liberals here complain about [Democrat who also did something bad]! Another example of Liberal Bias!" --Sid 18:51, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
• Oh, wait. Only indicted (translation fail on my side, I confused it with convicted for a moment). Then yes, libel! False accusations! Shame! Shame! --Sid 18:53, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
• They will use the partially unwritten rules (it usually appears in the edit summary when they are removing it) that politicians are exempt, except Democrats. $\approx$$\pi$ 21:50, 29 July 2008 (EDT)
• Sid's bet - "ignore 'til you can't, then claim he's no true Scotsman" - is the right answer, I'll bet.-caius (tinker) 23:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Ditto - this will go the way of Larry Craig and Vito Fossella. --SpinyNorman 10:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I think Sid wins.

Karajowls

"(Block log); 20:07 . . Karajou (Talk | contribs) (blocked User:PeterQ with an expiry time of infinite (account creation disabled): Sock of blocked user: sock of JJacob, AceMcWicked)" Why dont you join us Karajou? Instead of just lurking? Ace McWicked^Interesting 20:21, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Doubtless, he lacks the courage to do so. All he has is mere puffery, worth little more than smoke. --Kels 20:56, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

ZING. That was a good line, Kels :-)-caius (tinker) 23:31, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

How strange...

Conservapedia is down. --JayJay4ever^??? 21:51, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Boycott time! 122.108.160.217 23:27, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Schlafly and McCain

Has anybody else noticed that Andy is starting to sound a little like McCain? Ask McCain about the war in Afghanistan and he'll tell you that he supported the surge in Iraq and Obama didn't and he was right. Ask Schlafly about anything, and he'll tell you its a great liberal conspiracy [1]Chris111 23:26, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

More importantly: Schlafly and Eagle Forum

Isn't it odd that Schlafly IS reacting poorly to mentions of eagle forum? Trouble in paradise?-caius (tinker) 23:33, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't want to be seen as a Mommy's boy.   ^Contribs_Talk 23:35, 29 July 2008 (EDT)

Its fair to ask as the Eagle Forum has a link to the conservapedia youtube propoganda video and Shlaf-asses courses are there to. I dont why he is so uppity...oh yeah, he is a wank, thats why. Ace McWicked^Interesting 00:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"The conspiracy theories by liberals about conservatives are tiresome, and the liberal denials when confronted with the baseless errors are even worse. Wikipedia is filled with such junk, claiming that anyone the liberals disagree with is a creationist, a John Birch Society member, or some cultist. When the errors are removed, they reappear again and again, without apology by the people who make the errors."

Wow, talk about your non sequitur!!! That was a fucking classic piece of Andycandyland... what the hell was he "thinking" - or drinking? Was he reacting to tonight's Daily Show? (looking at the time stamp, I'm a gonna watch the first repeat, so I don't know) ħuman 00:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Tell us Southern Hempisphere folk what happened on the daily show tonight?

Ace McWicked^Interesting 00:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Um, I'll know in an hour or so? Full report forthcoming? As far as that assfly quote above, it must be enshrined. Please wipe off the froth before reading. ħuman 00:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry dude, I assumed you had seen it already. But we all know what happens when you assume....you make a call on something with out first considering all the facts. Now, another schlaflyism that needs preserving (in case of an eventual CP meltdown) is the whole Adultress Story talk page. Classic rabid Schlafly. Ace McWicked^Interesting 00:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No prob. Link on the adultress thing? And search RW, wasn't that a while ago? We may already have a CP:space article on it? (If not we should?) ħuman 00:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

CP is down it seems to me buddy but here is the linky. Go to the talk page for Schlafly at his best. I think my favourite talk page this be...Ace McWicked^Interesting 00:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The bible has a liberal bias!!!!--Damo2353 01:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Not after Andy rewrites the canon. I think this might be addressed on our article on the little snifter. ħuman 02:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Unless a parodist pens the "Gospel According to Conservapedia" and gets it out first... Armondikov 06:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(undent)

I think Susan has it right. Andy doesn't have a problem with sites, including the Eagle Forum, linking to them and supporting CP indirectly. What really sets him off, though, is the impressiona that this site or his teaching job are directly supported by the Eagle Forum. Andy's life seems to parallel Dubya's in some important ways, most significantly in that he can't point to any real achievement of his own that's not influenced by his mother's accomplishments, standing and family wealth.

He could have been a self-made success based on his engineering skills before turning to the law, but apparently he didn't. If he tried marketing his courses based solely on their content and not his family name & connections, and avoided taking any reference or referral from the Eagle Forum or his mother's circle of influence, how successful would he have been? He'll never know because he never tried. While he lives in comfort in an affluent section of NJ, and enjoys the self-impression of being a person of influence in conservative circles, I'm certain that he knows deep down that this came from outside patronage and not from within, and it drives the anger in his responses like this.

There's nothing wrong with wanting the best for your children and working to give them a good start in life. One of my earliest disappointments with conservatism, though, was the hypocrisy of focusing on capitalism, opportunity and merit-based competitiveness, while at the same time fighting to preserve inherited wealth and build influence through nepotism. Apparently Dubya carried a lot of latent resentment towards his father based on redirected self-disappointment & anger, and I think Andy unloads similar feelings towards posters on CP when the right buttons are pushed. --SpinyNorman 11:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The transformation of John McCain

I've banged on about this before, but seeing John McCain elevated to article of the week reminded me of the original version and subsequent initial edits, written by one Andrew L Schlafly in January and February last year.--Matt 08:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Curious quote "On gambling, the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law allows Indian nations (which get nearly all their money from unregulated casinos) to make unlimited political donations, even though political donations by American citizens are strictly limited and political spending by corporations is prohibited." Does this mean Andy thinks Indians aren't american citizens? --Waiting for Godot 11:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Need A Cite?

Schlafly asks for a cite for remarks about how this policy allowed other religious websites and that it would be overturned. It's too bad I was blocked before having a chance to respond by telling him to READ THE FRIGGIN ARTICLE! It's like the third paragraph in that says exactly what I had said! I gotta believe he doesn't even read the articles that are "suggested" before posting them. --Jdellaro 10:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi, Fox! Oh, and thank god CP differs from WP--"We do not ban users based on their comments elsewhere", otherwise I might have been blocked for 5 years for comments here. Whooo! --Jdellaro 10:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Get bent. I am a declared id on both sites. I get blocked here too, you know. You got blocked for being (imho) a total twat. The argument about npower was held here yesterday - see above. As for random socks pretending to be Jewish in order to score points, I find that very fucking offensive. Further random twats defending their right to be offensive and stating that my arguments are "ridiculous" just to be provocative? Yeah, right. Fox 11:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

UMMM. FOX! You do realize it isn't a crime to be on RationalWiki. Last I checked, Jared is openly liberal, therefore NOT A SOCK. If you stand by that block, then you should be blocked for also having an account here. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 11:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

So block me. If any CP sysops are reading, they may review my edits and decide whether to block me there, too. Jjello should perhaps think that being blocked is as much a result of outing themself here - effectively demanding a longer block than than they initially received - and modify their future behaviour in view of this. Let's call it "common sense deficiency syndrome" Fox 11:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

That is such an utterly ridiculous statement. Blocking him is against CP policy. He's not a sock. He is an open liberal. CP policy has no creedance when used upon anyone except a conservative. You should know this by now. But I didn't expect it of you. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 11:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Quit trying to be reasonable. It won't work on Fox. Tmassey 11:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

It's the worst part of it. He was senseable until a few minutes ago. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 11:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He was one of the few, if not the only, ranking CPer that I thought could be reasonable. He's just joined the Schlafly brain dead.   ^Contribs_Talk 11:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox is alright - he's not Jinx or Heart of Gold; you can reason with him. We all say silly things every now and then....PFoster 11:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, Fox, if you still think that having children help their parents to be green is the same as Nazi Youths sending their parents to be cremated, then I will have to stand by my view that it's the most ridiculous thing I've seen on CP this whole week...irregardless whether you consider me a "twat" or not. Perhaps I just view that comparison differently because I'm Catholic and can see a difference between a flash game and the Holocaust, or maybe it's just because I'm not a total moron. Either way, congrats and I'm sorry you find it more "fucking offensive" for a sock to "pretend to be Jewish" than the Holocaust comparison, because that's really really pathetic. --Jdellaro 11:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Jd... it isn't that I think it is completely acceptable! I have stated that I think it is at the "extreme" end of the spectrum. And it is a worrying/unsettling thing for a commercial entity to be engaged in! You read all this here yesterday and still felt like weighing in with a personal insult against me. Whoopee do. Enjoy the 24 hr block. Oh wait - you then have to moan like fuck about it here. Fox 12:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm....So basically someone compared the stupid flash site to nazis or something, Jareddr commented on it at CP, and you blocked him for it. Then he made a domment about another issue, was told to cite it, then complained here and was banned by you, that about right? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:05, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I started to make a rational defence about this and then remembered - Sheesh is still a member of this community. Go figure. Fox 12:07, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Let me know when you begin that "rational" defense. I'd love some more laughs at your expense. --Jdellaro 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Actually, I didn't read about it in here as I usually don't come over to the Talk side, I just check out the WIGO side. But that's alright, just assume all you want, you've already made an ass of yourself. Any other sites you police to make sure nothing untoward is going on? Hmmm...actually this sort of reminds me of something. "Secret police" roaming from "house to house" (or site to site) looking for any activity to "crack down on" even though "official policy" is that CP doesn't do that sort of thing like WP does. Boy, it just sounds so familiar. --Jdellaro 12:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

LOL Twat. Fox 12:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ugh. This entire thing seems kinda ridiculous to me. Fox. Did you ban Jareddr the second time based soley on Jdellaros edits here? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, you're acting just like TK. I know you hate 'em, but that's my honest opinion. How about those "FUCK YOU ED" edits from you a while back? I guess he should ban you for those. Seriously, taking your anger out on RW because CP ignores anti-Semitic editors is unbecoming of you. Norseman^Wassail! 12:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No. I banned him for being a cunt. Fox 12:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well. That's seems like a bad reason. Jareddr was a jerk. But aren't you being the exact same thing right now? Do you plan to unblock him at all? Interestingly enough although you seem angry at what's happened, you still keep....lulzy. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Then why does his block summary say "rw user Jdellaro"? And if you're banning people for being cunts, I suggest starting with oh, Aschlafly, Conservative, Karajou... etc... Norseman^Wassail! 12:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, of course. Because that's the way the power structure is organised, right? /sniggers Fox 12:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, i know many women who would find your continued references to twats and cunts as insults as offensive as someone saying "kike." Knock it off...PFoster 12:23, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm sorry, maybe I missed it. Could you remind me what Jareddr did to get blocked? The first block log doesn't say. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Further deflection. Why is it okay for you to call me a paedophile, but not okay for me to block a user? Seriously, your priorities are somewhere far up your rectum. Fox 12:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You linked me to Sheesh. I can't find anywhere in his contributions here where he called you that. Was it here, there? Where. Do you have a link or could you at least direct me to somewhere in the vicinity? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec) I didn't call you anything. My question was genuine. I honestly want to understand. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec) this springs to mind http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conservapedia_Talk:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F&diff=prev&oldid=136610 Fox 12:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

need a cite? http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Conservapedia_Talk:What_is_going_on_at_CP%3F&diff=next&oldid=136630 Fox 12:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

@Arcan I didn't block you Fox 12:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

If someone called you a paedophile without proof (being an ass, basically), then it isn't warranted and I would personally frown against an accusation thereof. However, you still haven't explained how being a "twat" or "cunt" is grounds for being banned at CP, when you explicitly have shown that just being a RW user is the reason for the banning. Wisdom98's block is proof that CP just doesn't care to follow its rules, and so far you're showing the same apathy. You say further deflection, but have yet to give a viable reason that you haven't violated CP policy and turn defensive. Thanks for not calling me a twat or anything, and I apologize for saying you were acting like TK (I was out of line, sorry), but I (and others) would still like to know what grounds Jareddr was blocked for. The evidence shown thus far is hypocrisy that only Karajou and others would display, and we would rather hope you are still one of the few, more respected, editors on CP. Norseman^Wassail! 12:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec) I didn't say you did. But you seem to be holding me accountable for what someone else said, and I was inquiring about something you, specifically, did. I'm not trying to be argumentative. I really respect the things you've done over at CP to make it a more sensible place. I just wanted to understand this one act. If that's too much to ask, fine. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Why did you block Jareddr, it wasn't he who you say called you a paedophile. Personally I don't see that as calling you a pedophile, seeing as you are most definitely not one of them. You just happen to be over there. Granted it doesn't detract from what he said but why take it out (something that happened in March) on Jareddr? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(reset)Jello knew exactly what they were doing when they weighed in on an argument that was already cold hash here from yesterday. It wasn't to make any noble statement to defend either the pov of the pro or con: it was to call the statements of the son of a Holocaust survivor "ridiculous" - in this case, with the result being to make CP look silly for reprinting (the pathetic) WNDs "Hitler Youth" comparison, or to make the opinions of said Holocaust survivor's son look silly. Frankly, that's insulting enough. I like to scar the faces of people like that. Fox

Was that the one day Block? Then you unblocked and reblocked for 5 years why? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:53, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Said twat had to advertize to the world that he was actually a RW user. Tough cheese, but that's the way it is. Keep schtum and the block's over in a day. Gloat about what a bunch of arseholes we are, draw attention to who you are, expect more. Fox 12:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Thank you very much for your honest answer. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

But is it not one of the "differences from wikipedia" to not block based on anything elsewhere? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 12:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I didn't write nor sign the "differences". Ask me about circumcision instead. Fox 13:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Are not all sysop supposed to can has differences? Also, when you put the knife near the baby's penis, are you supposed to just jam it in? (Weird joke) -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 13:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I don't think Fox is a sysop anymore (correct me if I'm wrong), but it does seem like the "differences" would be a CP edict for all to follow. Then again, I suppose we can't hold him to a standard that no one else at CP follows. As to that second bit - Aaaahh! Ouch! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 13:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, so because you're the son of a Holocaust survivor---your opinions are beyond question? I can't state that the comparison is completely ridiculous because, again, you have a relationship to a Holocaust survivor? And furthermore, I didn't make your opinions look silly---they WERE silly. And I don't care if you're the son of a Holocaust survivor or the Queen of England---if your opinion is ridiculous, I'm going to say as much. Your family history is irrelevant to this conversation. In fact, if anything, I would think you would've agreed that the comparison between promoting conservation and the Hitler Youth is beyond the pale. But again, I don't care what happened to your family, I wasn't making any kind of offensive remarks about the Holocaust, and was explaining how the comparison belittles what happened in Germany at that time. So don't try and play the victim, Fox, because it doesn't pass the smell test. --Jdellaro 13:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Knob. Fox 13:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox,

For the most part, I respect your opinions. Being the son of a Holocaust survivor, however, does not render those opinions immune to criticism. Nor does it provide you with the moral authority to decide what is and isn't a validly "Jewish" perspective. --Phentari 13:05, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

It gives me more insight in these matters than your uypbringing, however. Fox 13:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

But not in areas do decide who is and who is not jewish. Unless you have a Jewdar (which I've heard is real) But knowing nothing about Euler (or whoever it was you said was lying about it) except his opinions on this subject wouldn't give even the most Jewy jew the knowledge of instant Jewledge. (knowledge and jew) -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 13:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"I like to scar the faces of people like that." I'm not sure how anyone who considers themselves rational can respect a person who would say such a thing. Bondurant 13:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I never claimed rationality with regard to anti-semitism. Please feel free to email me and I will arrange for you to come to my house for your ass to be kicked.If you prefer, I will also split your clock. At no cost! Fox 13:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hmmmm Let me see if if follow---calling your opinion ridiculous + you are the son of a Holocaust survivor = you calling me anti-semitic AND threatening to "scar my face." Not only are your opinions ridiculous, and your language offensive, but you are possibly mentally unstable. I'd have all three of those things looked into if I were you. --Jdellaro 13:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok, now you are being ridiculous. He is allowed to beleive that the site is offensive, not because his father is a holocaust survivor or even because he's Jewish but because he can. You offended him Jared, and that's a fact. You didn't mean to but it happened. He blocked you for being rude, which you really weren't and now you are. You would now be under the guidelines to be blocked. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 13:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I think you are getting confused. Of course he can believe the site comparing conservation and HY is offensive. In fact, this all started because I was agreeing with someone who thought the comparison between conservation and Hitler Youth was absurd and trivialized the Holocaust. Fox tried to invalidate their opinion and stated, "If you really were a Jew" they would understand that the comparison was valid. So not only did Fox think the comparison was valid, but someone who disagreed wasn't "really a Jew". I called that opinion absolutely ridiculous and my statement has NOTHING, absolutely ZERO, to do with any connection he has to the Holocaust. In fact, him announcing it today is the first time I've even seen it. Am I being rude now? I would argue much less so in comparison to having been called an anti-semite and having someone threaten to "scar my face". --Jdellaro 14:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well yes, a lot of what he has said was uncalled for, but the same goes for you. Why are you stooping to a level you consider reprehensible. And Fox, why are you doing the same thing too? It doesn't seem that Jared is anti-semitic at all. Just anti-you. And you did kinda block him for no good reason. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 14:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Is that a "no"? Fox 13:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I would just like to point out two things. 1) Lawl. 2) I am not Jdellaro. Bondurant 13:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

At this juncture, I would like to say how disappointed I am that I am not involved in this. Please, can either Jareddr or Fox block me or be pissy with me too? If it will help, I could call one of you a cunt or something like that. Let me know, I feel left out. DogP 13:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Go for it. My wife is on business in Detroit, the kids are at their grandparents. You want to back up your mouth with your body, I'm available until Monday =) Fox 14:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oooo. An Internet Tough Guy. Haven't seen one of those in a few weeks. I consider myself duly intimidated. --Gulik 15:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

That's a remarkably presumptuous attitude to take, particularly when coupled with the "No True Scotsman" position of denying that someone who shares your opinions could possibly be Jewish. Do you really believe that it's impossible that there are other children of Holocaust survivors out there who might find the website harmless? Who might consider Nazi analogies offensive and cheapening? --Phentari 13:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

This conversation is about to go badly downhill, inevitably ending in comparisons to Hitler, and hurt feelings all around. Stop now. Step away from the keyboard. Go pet a jerboa, or milk a goat.

Bondurant, I really think we've been there for a while. And seen the worst of it. It seems to be tapering off a bit already. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 13:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree, though at least I now know what this template is called, which I'm sure that was the whole point of this conversation, haha. Thanks!--Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 13:28, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The missus came home when I was hunting around for the template, and by the time she'd gone into the kitchen, it had all died down again. Sorry for my tardiness. Bondurant 13:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Edit break

Shall we now fuel Fox's martyr complex by blocking him for abusive language?   ^Contribs_Talk 13:51, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Like you block those wankers who go around calling people paedophiles..? Fox 13:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

It seems like what Sheesh said was just s a joke. Anyway, I made a joke about stabbing a baby in the dick and nothing happened to me. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 14:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh. ... Hahaha. Guess what guys? April fools!! I blocked knobchops for 5 years for a laugh. Hey, you know, nothing ntended. Just a joke, m'kay Jello? Fox 14:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

? --Jdellaro 14:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He was being sarcastic by saying that it was joke and that we are over-reacting. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 14:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(EC)Don't think it was intended to be taken seriously, fox, but does that give you the right to call us various unsavoury names? Things that come to mind: Touch pitch & be defiled (you're mixing with the wrong crowd over there); I was going to say "Methinks .... doth protest too much" but you might have jumped in your car & been on the way up here with a lynch mob - so I didn't.   ^Contribs_Talk 14:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Surely it gives me as much right to call people names as is applied vice versa? Worst I've ever mananaged is nowhere near calling a parent a "paedophile" with regard to his own homeschooled kids. Fox 14:19, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Did he know you were a parent? And the worst? Child murdering scum comes to mind (granted, there was a lot of evidence for that). And still the fact remains, different things affect different people. If I called you a kike it would be different from calling a non-jew a kike. Maybe he just didn't expect you'd take it as seriously. It still doesn't mean you can arbitrarily block people who've done nothing wrong. You're different from Andy-nites. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 14:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I didn't call you a pedophile. But you did call me anti-semitic and threaten to "scar my face". So for that, I would like an apology, and for you to stop pulling out your cyber-wanker and trying to threaten everyone. I haven't seen that type of b.s. since I was a teenager going into AOL Chat rooms..."Why don't you say it to my face man...I'll kick your ass.." BLAH BLAH BLAH Cyber-Crap. --Jdellaro 14:28, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No. We shall block him for being too foxy. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Jinx is giving him enough ridiculous bullshit at his talk page on CP. But I don't know where this discussion/argument goes from here. Feelings and accounts have both been hurt. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 13:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

They're on "unobtainable" for me @ the moment.   ^Contribs_Talk 13:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Assuming you mean CP and not feelings, do you use Firefox? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 14:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes (ffox).   ^Contribs_Talk 14:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I've always used IE and it only goes away every once in a while. You seem to be chronically off. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 14:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Mkay, let's play sum Dino Run. Norseman^Wassail! 14:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'd just like to point out that Sheesh DID NOT call Fox a paedophile (at least in the diffs that were given). He said "In any case, aiding and abetting pediaphiles is not part partcularyl noble." (original spelling left intact) Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 14:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"pediaphiles"? People who love encyclopedias? Ah, if Interpreted were around he'd block everyone who has edited in the last 24 hours for twenty minutes, and I'd unblock myself and start arguing with him about that... ħuman 17:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He did call him (specifically Fox) a paedophile once, after Fox called him on his previous accusation towards Conservapedians in general. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 19:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oi! Fox!

Enough of this Jdellaro stuff, what about unblocking Toffeeman? I'd like to un-sock and actually contribute in some (very) small way. Basically I'm doing a correspondence philosophy course at a London University and fiddling about with and extending philosophy articles helps me get little bits straight in my mind. I can't do this on WP because they're way ahead of me, so I do it on CP. I get to tidy up my mind, those homeschoolers get extensions to articles on Popper and Wittgenstein. I think its a good deal, Bugler doesn't think that allows me to tell Andy that he is wrong when he defames a dedicated and honest scientist. I emailed you with the "offending" post. Now how about it? --Toffeeman 15:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't bother. Deborah, PJR, and JM all think they know something about philosophy.

We have an article on Popper that could use expansion (homskollars can read it here!), and Wittgenstein is a red link... ħuman 17:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Karajou and overly simple logic

I get the feeling that this and this grossly oversimplify the situations.Shangrala 13:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Alas. One of Carriage's specialities. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 13:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ooo! Lookit! There's no trees and polar bears and stuffs, so obviously, there's no ecology to mess up! And lookit the mooses near the oil refinery! Clearly, it's GOOD for them! --Phentari 13:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(PS Karajou you spelled "remember" wrong)Shangrala 13:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I feel like doing grossly oversimplified math. Let's say that there are 100 people and 99 of them earn $40,000 per year, and 1 of them earns $1 million per year (total income: $4.96 million). Those who earn $40,000 pay a tax of 10%, and the $1 million person pays 20%.

• The $1 million person pays $200,000 in taxes, leaving them with a paltry $800,000 to spare
• The $40,000 people pay $396,000 in taxes, giving them enormous wealth at $36,000 each
• The top 1% of earners earn 20.61% of all income
• The top 1% of earners pay 33.56% of all income taxes.

This is the worst type of theft and I will not stand for it, lookit how you are crippling the wealthy of the nation >:o(.Shangrala 13:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Challenge (UK only)

Email me through cp (tonight only), and I will give you my telephone number. If you really think I am some kind of wanker or alien or want to duke it out verbally, I'm up for it. Fox 14:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

And MY cyber-penis is 13 inches long! --Jdellaro 14:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Is that a "no"? Again? You really lack conviction in your gobshitedness, don't you? Fox 14:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, me calling you up so we can have a cyber-fight on the phone now? Man, your wife better hurry home, because you're starting to lose it. Even if, for a split-second, I entertained your RIDICULOUS idea, you issued your challenge to "UK Only". Sorry, bub, but I'm on the other side of the ocean. And please spare me the comeback, "Thank god, or I'd kick your ass" or some such nonsense. --Jdellaro 14:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

So let's chat. Let's put our differences to bed. Fox 15:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

We don't need to chat to handle our differences. Just apologize here for calling me anti-semitic, threatening to "scar my face", and unblock me...and in return I'll know that you're the son of a Holocaust survivor and continue to insist that comparing conservatism with Hitler Youth is ridiculous and demeaning. Seems like that should handle it AND you can save the money for the phone call. You're welcome!--Jdellaro 15:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I think you might be overreacting, and J, I think the correct term is "e-penis." --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No, I have an e-penis that is 16 inches long. Two separate virtual-penises. --Jdellaro 14:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ah, my apologies. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Understandable---felt it was necessary to have both a cyber AND an e-version of the penis. Always be prepared! --Jdellaro 14:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Dude, offering to give out your phone number is getting kind of high on the creepy scale. Bjones 14:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Only if you have something to hide. I don't. Email inbox still empty... Fox 14:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hands up anybody getting bored with the fox hunting. Hand.--Bob^{bing up} 14:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Seconded. Fox, may I suggest you take a quick walk outside to cool down? I'm saying this without assigning guilt (since I only speedread over the drama above and don't intend to wade deeper anytime soon); it's just that taking you out of the equation for a while looks like the easiest way to let this trainwreck cool down. --Sid 14:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm going to second the cool-down constitutional. I understand that you're angry, but it seems you've begun tilting at windmills. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Disappointing =/ No takers. I'm gonna have to throw this open to the USA too. Don't worry about the cost, I'll call you =) Fox 14:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent (Asimov)   ^Contribs_Talk 14:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Or the first refuge of the thug. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 14:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Creepy meter is climbing higher Bjones 14:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Come on - its easier to debate the topics and get a feel for the person this way than it is by teh net. Try it - you might be pleasantly surprised =) Fox 14:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I would like to state that I am not accepting this challenge because I am skinny and relatively physically weak. OH MY GOSH I'M SO ASHAMED I'M GOING TO GO SIT IN A CORNER AND CONTEMPLATE THE WORTHLESSNESS OF MY EXISTENCE BECAUSE MY MUSCLES AREN'T ENORMOUS. Also, I'm a pacifist. --λινυσ^(☮) 14:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Not about anything other than communication. Its a phone call. Nothing more nothing less. I'll call you, no cost involved. Expanded WORLDWIDE (apparently TalkTalk charge me "local" globally). You can call me if you prefer - I'm easy. My history here shows I don't give personal details away to anybody. I'm up for a chat. Let's do it. Fox 15:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

My apologies for failing to read what you wrote thoroughly. :( You'll find my response in the next section. --λινυσ^(☮) 15:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Don't surrender your CP sox - email me direct at nexus.central@gmail.com Fox 15:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, I apreciate time differences and all, but don't leave it too late. Gone 8pm UK time... Fox 15:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I'm curious…

…were you suggesting that EulerMascheroni0577 was not really a Jew? I wonder, as he was my sock and all. --λινυσ^(☮) 14:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Wait, I see you were. Never mind. --λινυσ^(☮) 14:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Should that be the case then the argument presented by my family would be that to focus on the HJ aspect would be a red herring to distract from corporate involvement> There are very few connotations thatcould be made - this was one. It worked. It drew attention to a "bad thing". Phone me, let's chat. Fox 14:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I actually have something of a phobia about phones. :( No, really, I do. IRC/IM works for me, however, although not as this specific moment, because I'm supposed to be preparing for the next year of school. Also, I was actually genuinely offended that anyone would implicitly, if unintentionally, trivialize the Holocaust by comparing a branch of the Nazi party with an, admittedly inane and unpleasant, web game. I wasn't trying to set out a red herring. --λινυσ^(☮)

Disappointed

Nobody wants to chat? Fox 15:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

About what topic? --Fake 15:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm easy. Reeves and Mortimer? Judaism? The role of the Daily Mail in socio-economic history? Fox 15:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

SEems to me there's not a single person here who believes they can back up the crap they spout. =/ Fox 15:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Show me some crap I've spouted....I'll back it up. PFoster 15:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Of all the people here, you're in the top 3 that I'd love to talk to. email me. Fox 15:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I would - but 1) i'm off on vacation tonight and don't want to start something only to leave it hanging and 2) this "talk to me off-site" rhetoric? I'd rather not see things go down that road....anything I want to say, I'll say here in the public sphere. PFoster 15:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Like 4 people spouted any crap. Some of the others just diagreed. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 15:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Doesn't messianic Judaism makes as much sense as Protestants for Catholicism --Foxy 15:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Meh, maybe. Call me. Let's figure it out. If you have the balls of course =/ Fox 15:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I don't want to row on the phone, I wouldn't mind you replying to my post "Oi! Fox!",above. (Probably should have put it lower down). --Toffeeman 15:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I thought i had - see RC Fox 15:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. --Toffeeman 15:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Boy, when your wife and kids are gone, Fox, you get REALLY bored. I mean, check out some porn or something. Don't spend that free time making threats and daring people to call you just to pass the hours.--Jdellaro 15:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

LOL is that the same as admnitting YOU are too scared to chat? Fox 15:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No, it's the same as admitting that MY wife is gone, and I'VE got porn to check out! --Jdellaro 15:53, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You don't have a wife =( You're a 14 yr old who lives at home with mommy. Hence you can't debate by phone =/ All these fantastic intellectual minds... who don't want to chat. =/ Makes me wonder if you aren't actually calling our bluffs with a hand like a foot... = ) Fox 15:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks Dr. Fox! Now that I don't have a wife, I can go watch my porn without any concerns! I'm so sorry nobody wants to talk to you. And what with you having no friends in the UK and the only people forced to talk to you--your family--escaping, I mean, leaving the house, you must be sooo sad. It's alright, eventually they'll be forced to return to you, if they even exist, and you can forget that nobody will call you because, frankly, nobody gives a shit about you. --Jdellaro 16:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I am using irc right now, and I am in #rationalwiki --PhilH 15:59, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

DFTTThunderkatz^Ho! 16:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fuck you all

I gave you my personal email address. I begged you to debate with me by telephone(at my cost) You were incapable of doing so. In future, please substitute my sig with FOX PWND ME DOGGIE or similar, and annotate all criticism of me with a recognition of your own shittiness. It's only fair = Losers.) Fox 16:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I'm watching a footy match and can't be bothered with your macho posturings. Your threats of violence make you no better than the brown shirts you so obviously despise. You act like a petulant teenager, grow up and be a real man - one who doesn't have to rely on threats. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 16:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I AM IN






IRC






RIGHT NOW IN ROOM






#RATIONALWIKI






--PhilH 16:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

On irc.freenode.net, in case you weren't sure. Thunderkatz^Ho! 16:15, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox's mother again? --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:07, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Wahhhh Wahhhh Nobody wants to call me waahhhh And I have to edit my goodbye message 8 times b/c I can't get it right the first time waaahhh--Jdellaro 16:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

And the creepy meter just broke. Bjones 16:13, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh noes, I lost the debate because I refused to give some stranger on the internet my phone number! My life is over! Fox has utterly pwn'd me! D= --Sid 16:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

DA INTERNETZ IS SERIES BIZNESS ^{— Unsigned, by: Vandal / talk / contribs}

You said it, Vandal. Where'd the lolz go? Bondurant 16:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You are so hard =/ I am afraid. Oh wait, you all ran way. I rool, u drool, pussies =) Fox 16:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Er...

LOL!

There it is :-) Bondurant 16:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

TOMMY GORMAN! IS THAT YOU!?!? --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox: Why so serious? Barikada 17:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Once in a while life smacks me and wakes me up. Last time I was active here my eldest daughter was here, she of "Fuck you, Ed Poor " fame. Meantime, smacking a nazi cost me 1500 quid and 100 hrs community service. My daughter is back in England next week. It is my father's birthday on August 17, and he should have died in Auschwitz if the world had its way. I'm reminded strongly of those issues. I get punchy. Come and have a go if you think you are hard enough. Fox 17:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You are fighting with people who you have no reason to fight. People who happened to disagree with what you did. We are not Nazis, we had nothing to do with Auschwitz, and we've never met your daughter. Why you are trying to pick fights with people all around you, innocent people, I don't know. You are being utterly ridiculous and rude. You are turning into a troll or a boxer just taunting people who agree with you for no reason at all. We are not the enemy. No matter what you think right now. Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 17:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

First taker

Seriously - that's my home number. Call me - withold your number if you prefer. Let's talk. Once you've ascertained that it's me at this end, you can use the same email to send me a (global) number. I'll call you back for free. Fox 16:43, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I haven't seen anything that's worth arguing about all day. Much less anything worth making or receiving a phone call over. This sort of behavior is beneath RW standards. - Lardashe

Please give it up. I have no idea who's right and wrong in this dispute, but I do know that you are acting churlishly now. This is a wiki and thus the main form of communication is at the wiki level. Leave it that way, and don't try to score points because others don't want to "debate" you over the phone.--Damo2353 16:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, what do you want to talk about or debate?--TimS 16:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, maybe you're right. If most of the people here turn out to be 12 year old r-tards struggling to snap momma's apron strings, let alone the intellectual giants you claim to be, then its perhaps best you hide behind your internet identities. After all, it would be pretty embarrassing if the truth came out, right? =/ Fox 16:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

TOMMY GORMAN! IT IS YOU! AND YOU LEARNED TO SPELL!? --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox irrespective of whether you or they are right or not, surely you understand the purpose of a wiki is to have conversations like this on the wiki. I am afraid to say it, but you are acting like a politician in a parliament, not interested in achieving anything so much as scoring cheap political points. For the sake of your own credibility, as well as that of the site and its continuing harmony, I beg you to give this aggressive challenge up.--Damo2353 17:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, yes we all hide behind pseudonyms and anonymous accounts, for example, it would take detective work beyond repute to figure out who I am. But why in the world do you want people to call you? I am with everyone else on this, it is just creepy, internet=internet. I have no desire to take it "out back." tmtoulouse ^irritate 17:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You're always goingb on about confronting eg Andrew at his CP talks.... Think of this as a dress rehearsal. I'm easy meat - just the prick with paedophilic tendencies who blocks god-like users for no good reason. Ring me, take me apart. Fox 17:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Are you stupid? --71.8.59.31 17:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ring me, find out, dufus =) Fox 17:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ehhh...no? I imagine that now you're either running off tesosterone or lulz. --71.8.59.31 17:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, right now all you are doing is trolling. I suggest we all stop feeding the troll, until he calms down and acts with a little dignity--Damo2353 17:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Good idea. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 17:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Weird. You're all emailing me and daring me to give out my number, but not ringing it... Fox 17:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox, to be honest I dont think anyone (at least, I dont) gives a shit right now about what you have to say down the phone. Hence, why do you care? Ace McWicked^Interesting 17:43, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry guys, but I took the unilateral decision to put an end to this silly discussion. Unblock Fox if you disagree, but I think it wouldn't do us all any harm if he took a couple of hours out to chill, or just call it a day. Bondurant 17:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Twat. Of course, it isn't in any way hypocritical that this conversation started about blocking people. Don't worry about it - RW is free to block people who hurt their consciences while CP has to somehow give you a reach around to justify blocking twats. Get a life.

Two hours, five years. That's the same. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 18:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You should apologize. Shame on you for blocking somebody just because he pointed out what cowards frequent this site!^{— Unsigned, by: 67.159.44.138 / talk / contribs}

I would have unblocked him, but 1. it was only for two hours and 2. he threatened physical violence to another editor. Also, he has a block history showing similar behavior in the past. ħuman 18:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Come on, spit it, we're as bad as Conservapedia, do it! Oh, nevermind, you already implied it below. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 19:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Naughty Debbie is a vandal

Somebody called Deborah has vandalized the Conservapedia article at Wiki Index. I’ve warned her and told 2 admins. Americans and Australians will have to deal with this. It’s bed time here. Proxima Centauri 17:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Proxima, it doesn't look like vandalism to me. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 17:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Diff by Deborah for good measure. Removing criticism by someone with an agenda could count as vandalism. Bondurant 17:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

How Debbie left it.

How I restored it. Proxima Centauri 17:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes it's different, but why uz not actin on gud fait? Maybe she was just trying to improve and remove a bit of criticism. Spin yes. Vandal no. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 17:31, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well it was definitely Deborah of CP fame--Damo2353 17:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"Conservapedia has almost 25,000 users." hahahahaha. Sometimes it takes more than counting how many accounts have ever been registered to actually calculate the number of "users"... ħuman 18:10, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Especially when at least half of them are AmesG!Antifly 22:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Deborah's restarted edit warring. Please deal with it. My computer's playing up. I'm at a library computer now. Proxima Centauri 12:59, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Why were you trying to put "RationalWiki's opinion of Conservapedia" into the article? I'm not sure of the rules at WikiIndex, but I'm fairly sure we don't warrant a mention in those terms. It isn't vandalism -- you're just both squabbling off-wiki. Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 13:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I registered, and made a few improvements to the CP and RW articles. --Gulik 17:06, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Rationalwikians certainly improved the Conservapedia entry and the RatioonalWiki entry. Proxima Centauri 11:10, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Proxy, is it me or is WikiIndex fairly unreliable as far as information goes? The articles I've seen just flick back and forth between two biased viewpoints without ever reaching an agreement. Also, you describe RW as though it's a wiki specifically about atheism. Have I missed something? ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 11:44, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I think most Wikis are less controversial than Conservapedia and RationalWiki. Wikiindex entries on less controversial Wikis do not change with edit wars but users go to less trouble over them. Wikiindex is a small, growing Wiki. The quality of the entries depends on whether or not anyone has yet put effort into them. Quality is variable. A year or 2 from now Wikiindex will be a valued database and users will be prepared to work on it. Never judge a Wiki by the way it is now. Judge its potential. Proxima Centauri 06:39, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Jpatt's liberal myths schooled

On to (slightly) more substantive matters, isn't this a delight to see? How will Jpatt react? And isn't it sad Jareddr isn't there to add his 2 cents?--Damo2353 17:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

CP vsR W debate

Sadly we all choked and CP took the moral and intellectual high ground. Perhaps next year we may do better!^{— Unsigned, by: 67.159.44.138 / talk / contribs}

We can only hope. Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 18:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh dear, what a strange worldview you have AnonBoN. Refusing to fight with a thug is losing the moral and intelectual high ground? And it wasn't even Consevapedia, it was a mid-level editor with block rights and an enormous chip on his shoulder. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 18:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

We should focus less on shifting blame onto blocked people and instead try to learn how to treat editors with respect, just like CP does. ^{— Unsigned, by: 67.159.44.138 / talk / contribs}

This is a good one. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 18:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Anyone want to put a {{cite}} tag on that? Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 19:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Respect has to be earned. Before that you are entitled to courtesy, but abuse of that consideration forfeits even that privilege. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 18:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

CP treats editors with respect? BAHAHAHAHAHAHA Wheres PJR these days I wonder? What ever happened to that guy that Andy-Pants accused of lying because he passed his exams even though he had a liberal teacher? What about that time TerryH threatened to ban everyone because they told him that some gitmo guys had actually returned home and not to the battlefield? BAHAHA! Ace McWicked^Interesting 18:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

If that flame war above is called "open debate", we certainly allow, nay, encourage it. I was surprised it took so long after the threats of bodily harm for someone to block Fox, for that terrible, lonely, frustrating 2 hours. And not block his IP, of course. I did have one question, though. If Fox blocked so-and-so "for being a cunt", why didn't the block comment at CP just say so and get it over with? Back to that awesome edit Arcan linked to - discussion on a public wiki or message board or IRC channel is "open debate". Private emails and telephone conversations are the very opposite. ħuman 18:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

If anyone needed proof of what a big childish bully Fox is then they need only look at his recent edits at CP. Really, what a loser! Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 19:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Potential Night of the Blunt Knives, featuring... Fox?

Fox potentially hit the Banhammer Overdrive button. So far, NathanG (Wasn't he, like, Andy's future son in law or something?), DinsdaleP, JMereel (Who?) and EulerMascheroni0577 (Okay, admitted sock.) got axed. --Sid 18:58, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox will apparently go to no end to make sure we feel what he wants us to feel. Even though the guidelines say "don't block for stuff elsewhere"....fox has gone to the dark side. --71.8.59.31 19:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

If I read his posts in the trainwreck section above correctly, he regards the "Differences with WP" points as optional rules he doesn't have to follow since he didn't "sign" them. --Sid 19:04, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(ec)Yeah, I was going to say, if Nate was a mole, he was very deep cover. On a side note, I hate to use the J-word (mainly in fear that his name works like "Beetlejuice"), but isn't "mole" Jinx's word? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:02, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Self-update: Ah, I just noticed JMereel's edits: "I forgot the password of my other account" = "Abusing multiple accounts" --Sid 19:03, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well I must say that I am now deeply regretting my action to give up my character at CP in an attempt to help Fox when his argument against Andy was going badly. It appears I severely misjudged Fox's character.Damo2353 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Damn socks, first they add parody articles, then they block your sysops en masse, now they date your daughter, what's next? NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 19:12, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, I needed a good chuckle right now XD --Sid 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Bugler got banhammered. I wonder when Fox will realize that he's banning people who got Block rights... --Sid 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey Fox - don't forget to ban all my socks while you're at it. At present count, I estimate I have twelve operators over there presently. Only a few are dormant. DogP 19:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I note that he missed the entire C****** Family... ħuman 23:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well my socks are still fine and healthy. They've been around since the good old days adding daft articles and various Conservative silliness. Some are even sysops. Have fun finding them. Auld Nick 09:33, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

He didn't.

He couldn't have. He blocked Bugler. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 19:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

This will not end well. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 19:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"Suicide by Andy", anybody? --Sid 19:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, he was looking for a fight. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He's beginning to think a little clearer. But he still thinks we're out to get him. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 19:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm thinking that's just a bit of CYA. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"I have no idea if my accusations of these people being RW moles are correct, but I dished out blocks anyway. If you are not a mole, please mail me with the text 'I am not a mole.' in the message body."

Who else here loves the repetition of "hostile" and the Dr. Evil-ish quotes around "edit pattern"? --Sid 19:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm lovin' it! --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 19:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) This should be good. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

And now the Fox has been blocked. ^{— Unsigned, by: 78.16.43.106 / talk / contribs}

Wheel War! --Sid 19:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

It is about time they decided to dance for us. tmtoulouse ^irritate 19:26, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Surprise take down by jpatt! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Nala Flip! --Sid 19:29, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Is this true? Or is he just making it up? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 19:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I have in my hand a list... --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"Don't worry, guys! Just give me your phone numbers - I won't give out private information to anybody! =D" --Sid 19:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

It could certainly be true, the problems are that 1) being a "sysops" does not mean someone is a member of a dark cabal with access to all the secret meetings, and 2) there is no central organization to "socks" at all. So at most it is a RW user who has some guesses about socks and sent it in, most likely to cause exactly the scene we are seeing now. tmtoulouse ^irritate 19:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(Damn ECs) Yep, clearly Fox hasn't played Mafia. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 19:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

That's exactly what a mole would say! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Holy shit they're going crazy.... I came back just in time... SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 19:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Chuck what the hell? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 19:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

(Wow, edit conflict on my explanation. This is the original message I was gonna post) On a side note, I just created a CP account with the same user name... I'm hoping they'll go ahead and nuke my IP.... that way I'm not tempted to sock up anymore SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 19:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Damn, Fox looked through your clever disguise and identified you as a mole! =O --Sid 19:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

*hours later*

Andy: "Let's see how my site is doing! =D ...what the fuck. =|"

Fox/Jpatt/Jinx/Nathan: *point at each other* "HE STARTED IT!"

Predicted by: Sid 19:37, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

*&^%$* Sid, I had to change my pants after that one! --SpinyNorman 20:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"Jason, I have a provisional list of users from rat-ionalwiki, given to me by a sysop there, of users who are operating here as parodiats/moles. I will send it to you via email" - Fox @ CP. Can someone send me a copy, too? ħuman 19:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Andy's Response: Gentlemen, You can't wield your unchallenged power over other users here, this is Conservapedia SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 19:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Nate is innocent! He hasn't fought back at all. And Human, I'll send it to you. I'm the one who sent it to Fox! *maniacal cackling* --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

We need to decide what to do about something. His block expires in a few minutes. Do we do longer block or wait and see? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 19:41, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

On another note all together, how can I be a mole when I sign up under the same username... that makes me like a badger or something doesn't it? SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 19:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Maybe if you're a really, really incompetent mole...? --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 19:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Wait and see, after all, we don't block (or extend blocks) for what others do on other websites.

By the way, Fox could at least remove that from the Differences with Wikipedia page. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 19:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree that we should not extend the block without cause. That said, perhaps a short leash will be necessary. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:47, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Aspire is talking to a dead guy. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 19:49, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

No need to worry about the block on Fox, his IP wasn't blocked anyway. Nice of him to figure out a way to entertain us (little man) during his little break(down). ħuman 19:53, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Dammit Sid, you beat me to the screen cap. Pinto's5150 ^Talk 19:56, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, those screencapping reflexes are hardwired into me... --Sid 20:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You guys hear that sound? That faint buzzing in the InterTubes? The almost-silence after the storm? That's the sound of dozens of Very Important Mails being exchanged. --Sid 20:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Absolutely hilarious!!! I can actually picture them sitting there typing FURIOUSLY!--Jdellaro 22:32, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Interesting. He unblocked the one that started all this. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 20:14, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm flattered! You think I started all of this...entertainment! :-) --Jdellaro 22:30, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

• SIGH What ever happened to turning the other cheek... Javasca₧ don't cast the first stone, and I won't throw it back

Oh no

I think I'm gonna wait till he calms down before I head back over there, this is insane! אנדי שלאפלי איז א פאץ ^{What, you can't read it? Learn how to speak Yiddish} 20:00, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

He became what he hate most - TK. Norseman^Wassail! 20:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

"But at least we now have a solution for the wrongdoers." [2] Why does that phrase make me cringe? ħuman 20:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

That was particularly chilling.-caius (tinker) 21:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Crikey, some crazy shit happened while I was asleep! Was I too drunk hasty last night when I gave Fox his cooling off period? Bondurant 02:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Nah, your timing was perfect. I hope he can repair the holes in his kitchen wall inexpensively before the family gets home. What the hell time zone are you in??? ħuman 02:14, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I'd guess he's in a similar timezone as me, maybe just a few hours away. The block happened around midnight my time, and right now, it's roughly 8.30am here - which sounds like a reasonable "being asleep" window. --Sid 02:24, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

No, most definitely not. After his trolling orgy, he deserved a forced cool-down period (I had been very tempted to give him one myself, and it would have been longer). If anything, his behavior on CP shows that the block was very justified - he was seriously out of control, and without the block, the trolling would have gone on and on here. And look, it's not like anything bad happened to him (yet): Andy openly ignores the trainwreck, and (I think) all/most the people he had blocked based on <Dr. Evil> an "edit pattern"</Dr. Evil> were unblocked again. --Sid 02:24, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm in the UK, so it's before 8 here. Sat with my pre-breakfast coffee to see What is going on in the world and that answer, it seems, is "quite a lot". Bondurant 02:45, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Heads peep over the parapet

Up bobs one head, then another. DogP 20:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Interesting off topic

OMG!!!11!!!!oneoneone!! Wikipedia rejects the National Enquirer. Who would reject such a trustworthy news source? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 20:25, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Jinx and Moles

Anyone else think the jinxy picked a strangely sexual choice of words here? Ace McWicked^Interesting 20:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I find Fox's definition of "solution" a lot weirder. --Sid 20:42, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Ah yes - the "final solution"! Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 02:52, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

See my comment above under "oh no". Why do we have six headers to discuss this, I wonder? ħuman 20:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Because you don't get edit conflicts when adding new section via the "+" button? ;) --Sid 21:06, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I suppose... I am tempted to move them all into the main header above as sub-sections, when editing quiets down a bit. Someone ought to write us a "new subsection" button! ħuman 21:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Paranoia

Hah.

We cook your meals. We haul your trash. We connect your calls.

We drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep.

We like to watch you squirm. Don't turn your back on us. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 20:34, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

DANCE (with me Lois)! DANCE THE DANCE OF LIFE! Norseman^Wassail! 20:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hypocrisy

Someone needs to go over to CP and point out that it Fox relied on the research done by this website to attack Jinx. We weren't so bad when we were helping him. Now that he has run afoul of us we are suddenly the devil incarnate.--Damo2353 20:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

BTDT-- -PalMD ^{--Do I look like I care?} 22:36, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

What does BTDT mean?--Damo2353 22:40, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Been there done that. Typical CP...friggin idiots. I don't think there is one editor over there who isn't either a crazy or...eh, just crazy.-- -PalMD ^{--Do I look like I care?} 22:43, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I guess what pisses me off most about this whole thing is I went to the trouble of looking into Jinx's WP record, posted a few of the juicy bits on WIGO, and then Fox goes and uses every single piece I uncovered in his argument against Jinxy. But he doesn't thank RW for helping him, no, he just goes and tries to block as many of us as he can. I just figured he would recognise that he owes us a little better than that. Also if he was given a list of socks on CP (which I tend to doubt) he has betrayed the trust of the person who gave it to him. I expect this type of behaviour from Andy or Ed, perhaps I naively thought Fox was above them--Damo2353 22:52, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I think we all were fairly surprised (to say the least) by Fox's sudden Face Heel Turn last night. He pretty much made my Shit List with his ranting about how the "Differences with WP" don't apply to him because he didn't "sign" them, and the "Give me your phone numbers, you cowards! I assure you I won't give them out! Oh, but does anybody want to have a copy of that list somebody trusted me with in private?" gig really didn't help. The only thing that gave that one a hilarious twist was the fact that no such list exists because the parodists usually stay in very deep cover without telling anybody. Barring a very convincing and hilarious story about how he was drunk or abducted by aliens, I think very few people will feel tempted to help Fox the next time idiots like Jinx poke him. --Sid 02:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I think drunk, and alone (fambly out of town), and at wits' ends. He forgot he isn't "funny" when in his cups. But that might just be, er, projection on my part. ħuman 02:43, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I don't think there is one editor over there who isn't either a crazy or...eh, just crazy I'm hurt, is that what you really think of me? אנדי שלאפלי איז א פאץ ^{What, you can't read it? Learn how to speak Yiddish} 06:30, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

A stopped clock...

Bugler is totally a parodist. At least fox's blockgasm is right once.

Also I'm Jinxmchue. Make that twice.-caius (tinker) 20:54, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

What? -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 21:01, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox! Andy is my sock! Try blocking me! - Lardashe

Well it has been fun but I finally have to admit I am Conservative. 192.43.227.18 22:45, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I always had a hunch it was you, 193.43.227.18 --Jdellaro 22:48, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Who would have thought someone was actually crazy enough to call PZ Myers out on the Main Page and challenge him to rebuttal that weak shit that is Conservapedia's atheism article. A child could rebut that rubbish I wrote and Andy praises me for that crap. 192.43.227.18 22:55, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean "a child could rebut". Sorry, Ken never makes such an awful grammatical misteak. ħuman 23:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

What are you talking about it takes 6 edits for me to post a stupid boast on the front page. 192.43.227.18 00:39, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Actually, ten, usually - but he makes the edits and corrects his illiteracy over them. Ergo, you aren't Kendoll, QED. ħuman 01:33, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I fixed my edits ergo I am Ken. 192.43.227.18 02:53, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

No, Lardashe, I'm Fox, and my wife is too! Armondikov 02:23, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ames, if you are Bugler, you owe me an apology for blocking me. (It's against the Geneva convention of the internetz LOL) אנדי שלאפלי איז א פאץ ^{What, you can't read it? Learn how to speak Yiddish} 06:33, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Karojau's been busy

Wow, Karajou writes an 85 000 word article all by himself. Nice work, I'm glad you didn't just steal it from Wikipedia. Actually to be fair, he has tried to hide this fact, but 30 seconds on the find function shows him up.--Damo2353 02:54, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Not to nitpick, but the article is actually 85 thousand bytes. That number of words would be a modestly sized book. Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 04:18, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Need better link to CP, I suggest [3]? ħuman 03:50, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

And I don't really see the "obvious" parallels or theft from WP? Ah, ok, you're not saying he did... so where did it come from? Please, accusations should be buttressed with evidence! ħuman 03:53, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I think Kara usually copies his country articles form public domain sources... A search for a phrase ("In the late 1980s, the government appeared to have many characteristics in common with Western") turned up a whole crapload of results, though several are Wikipedia mirrors. I'll give him the benefit of doubt for the moment, but I "encourage" him to link to his public domain source(s). --Sid 03:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

The whole of the paragraph under "Government Structure and Functions" is word for word the same as in the Wikipedia article under politics. Did wikipedia take this from somewhere else as well?--Damo2353 03:10, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Actually, that wouldn't be the first time. Public Domain sources (like the CIA Fact Book or whatever it's called) are often used as sources (even for copy-pasting), I think. I'm not saying that this must be the case here, but Kara is one of the few people who usually stick to the "only copy-paste public domain stuff" rule, so for now, I'll just wait for him to provide a source. --Sid 03:17, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Just googled that para: [4] as #1   ^Contribs_Talk 03:19, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

(Damn EC, that's twice)::::You are right, and I apologize to Karajou. Not all of it was taken from WP. Much of it was taken from here.--Damo2353 03:23, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

(Edit conflict, too. Making minor adjustments before re-posting.) The bottom of the WP article you linked to even says: "This article contains material from the Library of Congress Country Studies, which are United States government publications in the public domain." And a few clicks from there point at this page which seems to have the raw, .gov-hosted content we're looking for. Of course, it is possible that Kara chose the easy way out by copy-pasting from WP (which in turn is based on that site) like he apparently did in the "Potato Incident" incident, but that would require further research. And I'm somewhat startled that he didn't link to the source in the first place, but eh. Might be worth looking into later, but I don't expect major revelations somehow. --Sid 03:25, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

OK OK I was wrong to impute wrongdoing, however call me old fashioned but I am not completely comfortable with the idea of just copy verbatim something someone else has written. Even if it is "public domain", and even if credit is given. Clearly I am behind the times.--Damo2353 03:34, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Remove the PD copies from Kajagoogoo's contribs & he'd be down to block log, his user page & talk.   ^Contribs_Talk 03:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Similarly: Remove the Right Wing blog entries from Crocodile's Deans's front page entries ...   ^Contribs_Talk 03:49, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Come on people. maybe he wrote it! I googled a random phrase ("Karl Marx maintained that constitutions ought to reflect existing class and political relationships, not prescribe the nature of such relations") - no results. Please to not assume instant wrongdoing just because it was done on CP. Better to bust me last May (on CP) for pulling classical music stuff outta my ass... Although, Susan's link appears to match a lot of words... but are they PD? See, if what you copy is PD, you don't have to attribute it if you don't want to (you should, but you don't have to) I call "cheap shot". But I may still be wrong... ħuman 03:58, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, I would always be suspicious of a large article that appeared in one go without any rewrites. But of course it goes without saying that any accusations of plagiarism rather than just suspicions should be backed up with evidence. In which case a nice side-by-side article should be written. In the case of huge identical chunks a certain amount of ellipses should be used. As for attribution then it is only good form to say where you got the article from as a professed "encyclopedia" should always cite its sources. There are also licensing issues to be considered as posting PD under GFDL for example is not on. Despite what I may think of Karajou as a personality he normally includes a PD template on his paste-fests. Of course if large chunks are copied from WP then that is counter to the CP commandments. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 04:47, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

RationalWiki - A public service

Somewhere in southern England several days ago.

"Now, N____ you promise you won't do anything stupid while I'm away?"

Of course not my little vixen, I'l be as good as g-ld!

"You won't go down the pub and beat up all the locals? Remember what happened last time!"

No, I've stocked up with Special Brew from Sainsburys. I'll only drink at home.

"Promise?"

Promise

A few days later.

Damn! No sex for nearly a week and now I'm right out of ale. I need some scabs and bruises to show my eldest daughter that I'm still fighting anti-semitism but I promised I wouldn't go down the pub!

He, he! I'll log on to RatWiki and stir them up a bit. I wonder if any of them would be stupid enough to come here and have a fight?

A few hourslater.

Fuck the lot of them and their liberal pacifism! I'm off down the pub for some real blood. Shit! The pub's shut now. Oh well, I'll show the wussies. TK would have never have put up with their mealy-mouthing. Now which ones do I know that edit at Conservapedophilia. Oops, Freudian slip, I mean Conservapedia. Ah yes, there was Kettlechip and he's active right now

Username:NathanC

Block length:5 yrs

Reason:RW mole

Take that you twat!

Username:DinsdaleB

Block length:5 yrs

Reason:RW mole

Wanker!

........

A week later.

"Darling, I'm home!"

Did you enjoy your time in America?

"Yes, thanks. You didn't get into any fights while I was away did you?"

No my little vixen. I spent all my time on the internet fighting anti-semites.

"Thank goodness for RationalWiki. I couldn't stand it if we had to move house yet again!"

Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 03:28, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

EGGSELLENT!! 300000 pointses!   ^Contribs_Talk 03:33, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Didn't he say somewhere that he was in Gloucestershire? Or am I imagining it?   ^Contribs_Talk 03:50, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Did I miss something? Who said that they lived in Gloucestershire? Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 04:02, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Very nicely done, GK. 20,000,000.14159 pointzes for improovemints! Please to copy to artikle of its own, please. Do not let die in Rkive. Please too much funny to let go. I please to edit tiny bits to make teh better, but ur cat nailed it head-on. Pleez to link to hilarious diffs throughout. Pleez to link to new CP: location here so I can keep following teh funny. Nice work, eggselent, bahnstahs all around and drinks too. ħuman 04:05, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

GK: Many moons ago, I mentioned Bromyard in Herefordshire to him & I think he said Gloucester then - I'll search around.   ^Contribs_Talk 04:24, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Susan, obviously you misread my feigned ignorance. :) Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 04:33, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

No: mea culpa, the only ref is 115 Miles fro Bromyard & 50/60 Miles from Chippenham.   ^Contribs_Talk 04:35, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Sounds like triangulation to me, you stalker! So, are you gonna go wake up the droozy Focks and punch him up? (please don't). ħuman 04:39, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

If you are talking about who I think you are talking about then he has posted a lot of personal information so you may have read other details elsewhere Susan. (Of course who knows how much of it is true?). So long as he doesn't live down the same lane as me I don't give a toss about his exact location. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 04:52, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

But back to my first comment, pleez to maek permanent record of yur most awesome dialog! ħuman 04:59, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

'S easy. 50/60 miles from Chippenham is Southampton area or Reading area. Or just draw a to scale circle with a 50/60 mile diameter centred on Chippenham and he's anywhere in that area. ;) Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 05:48, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes plx, is very funny =) I'd love to share the (hilarious) emails that were buzzing around last night, but I can't ;) (Winchester, by the way.) Meh, so guys, I'm still veery bored. What shall we do today for drama and lulz? Fox 05:50, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ah the satisfaction obtained from being sooo close from just a guesstimate. Winchester - nice town, nice cathedral, decent beer in decent pubs (when I last visited there in 1990). :) Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 05:58, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox you have moved from wanting a genuine debate to being a troll. If you want to talk properly start a debate over in the debate space and come here and link it so we can talk about what ever it is you are interested in. Don't run around using offensive language and claiming you won some big argument when you are the only person involved. $\approx$$\pi$ 06:04, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

LOL. First bite of the day. Can we increase drama/lulz levels over this? Hm, it seems a bit pedestrian. I'm interested in how to improve the quality of my lawn; any suggestions for good seed types? Fox 06:07, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

What type of soil, rainfall and shading do you have where you live? $\approx$$\pi$ 06:43, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Convenient Edit Button

<Unindent> Your local B&Q can help with that: B&Q DIY Superstore, Shakespeare Road, Eastleigh, Hampshire, SO50 4SF (T: 023 8062 0212‎). I went for the Eastleigh one as that's closest to you, Fox :) Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 06:12, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Fox my sweetness, wassa matter man? As my girlfriend always asks, "Why so grumpy love?". Ace McWicked^Interesting 06:14, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I don't really like Eastleigh, it has an awkward traffic system. I'd probably combine it with a few other tasks and go to the Lister Road branch in Basingstoke. Ace, I'm not grumpy, just very bored. =( Fox 06:18, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Again, when I am bored my girl will come and talk to me. Now thats boredom my friend. Consider yourselve lucky your not listening to stories about how she is trying to set her workmate up with the courier guy...jeez.Ace McWicked^Interesting 06:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Boring, please move to debate page, etc. By the way, "Meantime, smacking a nazi cost me 1500 quid and 100 hrs community service." So, er, Fox, you are convicted violent criminal it would appear (and proud of it?). Please to gently fondle off, darling. ħuman 06:20, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

"I'm interested in how to improve the quality of my lawn; any suggestions for good seed types?" - ask your local nursery people, your climate is vastly different than mine. Use organic fertilizer, add soil amendments (compost), mow high, roll, repeat for 400 years. ħuman 06:24, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Punching that guy for his holocaust jokes? Very proud of it. Fox 06:27, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

What I mean Foxy is, why so grumpy before buddy. Man, open a bucket of fuck everywhere why dont ya. Sweet jesus, I thought we were all friends here. Ace McWicked^Interesting 06:29, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Did you make the local papers with your nazi-punching escapade, Foxy? Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...}

No. I think if it had gone to trial it may have got a mention, but it slipped under the radar because of the speed of the judicial process, in this instance. Fox 06:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Nazi fucks deserve to be beaten - and yes - sometimes it's worth 1500 quid. Only Jewz are allowed to make fun of Jewz and we don't make holocaust jokes (maybe for the small fact that many of the survivers are still alive, I don't think any of the survivers I personally know would appreciate the hell-on-earth they went through for years to be made fun of). You go Fox! אנדי שלאפלי איז א פאץ ^{What, you can't read it? Learn how to speak Yiddish} 06:39, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

"it slipped under the radar because of the speed of the judicial process, in this instance" Glad to hear you pleaded guilty at magistrates' court. Spica the Hiver ^{If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...} 06:47, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I didn't enter any plea until it reached Crown, and then only entered a plea after receiving a Goodyear Direction and getting the charge reduced by the CPS. Although obviously I did plead guilty then. Fox 06:59, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Probably a good thing there is no restorative justice in the UK, or else Fox could have ended up doing his community service on his victim's garden. Who knows what would end up fertilizing Mr Nazi's nice new lawn... Bondurant 06:48, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I was treated very leniently with regard to the community service, and do my time working in an office for a charity. Good fun, actually; I'm considering "staying on" there after the hours are up. Fox 06:55, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

That is good Fox. Now isn't that more rewarding than being an internet pest? $\approx$$\pi$ 07:20, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

(Undent)Fox - do you think you might have anger management issues? I found counseling very helpful in bringing mine under control. Silver Sloth 07:25, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

A belt of scotch usually sorts me right out, though probably not good for the violent types. Ace McWicked^Interesting 07:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

A belt of scotch used to be part of my problem. Silver Sloth 07:41, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

We all have our achilles heal. Mine is people the walk down the street and then just stop, congregate and move seemingly at random causing distress and, in my case, anger in those behind them. Ace McWicked^Interesting 07:50, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I am minded of the sentencing report, which concluded that "there is no pattern of offending and no criminogenic needs have been identified. There are no antisocial or discriminatory attitudes associated with the offending and it is my assessment that [the defendant] has acted in a way that is essentially out of character in committing this offence." I suspect that they were sympathetic to my reasons, but as the judge rightly pointed out, punching nazis is actually against the law, and as such I would be sentenced to "provide a measure of reparation to the community." Fox 08:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ok, fair point. I take my comment back. I was (over) extrapolating because you do seem to get very angry with us, and we're not nazis. Silver Sloth 08:06, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You know, I have to agree with Fox that punching someone for making holocaust jokes is defensible. People shouldn't joke about the holocaust. My grandfather died in one of those concentration camps. He fell right off of one of the guard towers. Just kidding, Fox, don't punch me. Stile4aly 13:00, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm not worried about punching a Nazi, what I am worried about is the little display of petulance Fox displays when anyone disagrees with him. Telling us to all Fuck off and making stuff up about being called a pedophile and then challenging everybody to call him. Buddy an anger problem is the least of your problems.--Damo2353 13:12, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it's a good time to say I'm very amused by these sort of things. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 20:25, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Irony Overload (again)

I nearly WIGOed this but if we included every ironic Andy statement we'd be knee deep in them. Silver Sloth 11:06, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I hope somebody challenges him on that. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 11:11, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I was wondering if he was talking about a different Conservapedia...perhaps one that only exists in his mind. --Jdellaro 11:20, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Indeed -- Conservapedia 2.0, which only exists for people under the influence of Ubik. This is one of those moments where Andy's rhetoric becomes so thin that you can nearly see inside his head. "Don't be silly, Doctor! It's liberals who are bad!" Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 13:55, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Looks like someone already did challenge him, but I'm wondering if they'll block 'em for mentioning RW while Fox even said the full name of our wife-beating, 14 year-old masturbating, cowardly unaccepting physical challenges website! Norseman^Wassail! 12:08, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Marrying a Conservative

Not sure if anything is WIGO worthy, but the discussion is pretty awful. Andy is acting like a brick wall, but he never fails to get me to laugh with some "indisputable statements" jargon. What he says is true folks; most of us have sad, pitiful lives to look forward to. :( Norseman^Wassail! 12:13, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Chuckle

Not normally one to laugh at outright vandalism, but I find this really funny SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 13:20, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

*SNERK* The wandalism itself is Medium Lulz in my book (kudos for the silly German accent, even though the "vusiness" is kinda forced), but the edit summary instantly boosts it into the Great Lulz category. Come to think of it, CP really needs a new contest with the new socks parodists trusted editors. --Sid 13:49, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Actually, I think I like the username more. It'd be great to have that become a new banned word on the site. - Lardashe

Heh, thanks. If you're curious, it was in response to people attempting to console Crocoite during the whole Mormon affair.

Normally I'm not very supportive of outright vandalism either (though this has more to do with wasting an IP than anything else) but I must say it felt GREAT doing that. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 14:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

On a totally unrelated note, is it just me, or does that particular picture of Hitler look like the sleeve of his jacket's caught on fire and he's howling about it? --Phentari 15:42, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Yes, on our site, of course, such wandalism would be appreciated and perhaps kept. The username and the edit summary were golden picks. Not sure how the "content" would fly here, but the choice probably would have been different here. (sort of like HoG's old Adam and Steve award) ħuman 16:52, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

About the "sleeve caught fire" thing: When looking at it, it looks to me like a weird cross between Spider-Man's webshooter and Iron Man's palm repulsor thruster thingies. That, or like his sleeve really caught fire XD --Sid 17:33, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Teh Aftermath

Fox gets a metaphorical earful from Andy's son-in-law-to-be. btw, why was ketekikithingy banned here? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 17:26, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I blocked myself because I was getting too "involved" with RW. Mmmm.. "puppies". Kektklik sock 17:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I haven't seen you for ages, Kettle O_o

PS. Curse you and your infectious smiley policies! Curse you!! Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 17:40, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Smiley policies? What's that mean? *urbandictionary's it* Ohh, not defined yet. *pokes Shingo* Kektklik sock 17:44, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You always end your messages with a smiley. It rubbed off. Now I cannot stop. Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 17:45, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean the anime faces? O.O o.O -^_^- =^_^= -_- ...etc?

_{Sorry, B'Obama, I'm not voting for you} The real sock^{of a sock... known as Jellyfish} 17:51, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Despite the name, I am not really a Barackfan. I would probably try to find someone more lefty if I were able to vote in the US.

Anime faces? I never thought of it like that. Although I suppose the ^_^ one is quite obvious...

Also, you are neither Jellyfish! nor Littlefish. Don't make this issue more confusing than it has to be... :S Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 17:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I'll make it as confusing as I want it to be. Mew! =^.^= The real sock^{of a sock... known as Jellyfish} 18:00, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

_{And was I active when Fox blocked me? Oh wait. I started eating dinner at that time, haha. He missed me by a few minutes.}

Grumble grumble.

People round here already think Littlefish is secretly me. Does that mean I'm you as well, now? Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 18:04, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You're acting like someone from SWC's faction RSA or Falleen Federation. Rai? The real sock^{of a sock... known as Jellyfish} 18:08, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

?

Link, pease? Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 18:10, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Star Wars Combine. http://swcombine.com/ The real sock^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 18:11, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I can't find any info about whoever you're talking about. But, anyway, presumably I am not them. Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 18:20, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Someone more lefty? How about Ralph Nader? --Gulik 18:13, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I don't really know much about him, either, m'afraid. But from what (little) I know, he seems good. Marginally Less Chaos!^Audacity! 18:19, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Kucinich. Or the Bocialist from VT, Bernie Sanders. ħuman 18:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Ralph was the Green Party candidate (Yes, the US has one. They have all the clout of a bag of smoke.) in 2000, and the Dems never tire of blaming him for Bush getting elected. He's notable for being anti-corporate, starting back in the 60s when he wrote a book about the auto industry called "Unsafe at Any Speed". He ran for President again in 2004, presumably out of sheer spite. --Gulik 18:26, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

He thinks he's running again in 2008, too. He was a great consumer advocate in his day. ħuman 19:02, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Oldie But a Goodie

Some things are worth a chuckle no matter how long ago they were posted.

Yep...that evil liberal media was behind the mothballing of airships. The numerous crashes that had caused just about every country other than Germany to stop using them prior to the Hindenburg and the fact that there were, y'know, airplanes had nothing to do with it. --Phentari 18:37, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Wow, the media caused Britain to get rid of all their largely defensice weapons in the 90s??? How many times to people have to school teh assfly on that? And, um, airships? We still use them! The Good Year blimp being a well-known example. ħuman 19:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Andy chose a strange time to mourn the loss of airships... [5] Yeah, Andy's effin' brilliant. Barikada 19:18, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I am glad Andy has finally said it. I always thought the mass murder of 35 people was a media beat up. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:22, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Marry a conservative

I am 100% sure this is actually the real story. Ace McWicked^Interesting 18:49, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

We have a censored edit about his divorce. tmtoulouse ^irritate 19:36, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't say "censored", it's a bit TMI and not really appropriate considering why the article is on this site. Armondikov 08:37, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy's skimming again

This item in broken news doesn't actually say what Andy thinks it does. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 19:36, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

It never does. Andy doesn't read news articles about CP, he finds them or someone gives them to him and he assumes it says something positive, either that or he is working on the any publicity is good publicity principle. $\approx$$\pi$ 19:43, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

edit conflict & duplicate message damn you Pi.:He operates on the "No publicity is bad publicity" theory.   ^Contribs_Talk 19:46, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I think we already wigo'd this, by the way (or wigo blogged it?). It could be that the imaginary version of CP in Andy's mind could never be negatively reported on, so... ħuman 20:01, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean the one millions of people go to as their first source on information because its honest, concise, and free of bias. $\approx$$\pi$ 20:09, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Exactly! ħuman 21:53, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

PNAS Letter

It doesn't appear to have gone yet. I think he (AS) said it was going this week didn't he? If so he's only got tomorrow.   ^Contribs_Talk 20:28, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

No activity on article or talk page for days. Late last week & weekend, he was talking about sending it on Monday (last). Maybe he developed a fit of common sense? ħuman 21:52, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm going to guess it is most accurately described as "cowardice."--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 23:08, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Can't be, that is clearly a liberal trait. ħuman 23:11, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

He'l keep hanging it out for ages & then suddenly say "It's too late to send it now." & hey presto awkward stupid making is vanished.   ^Contribs_Talk 16:51, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Manitoba stabbing

I wonder how long it's gonna be before the Kavalkade of Kristian Krazies are gonna blame the Greyhound killer on the country having gun control laws. Horrifying stuff, to be sure. --Kels 20:26, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

What's his logic on that, anyway? That if he'd had access to a gun, he could've shot the man instead? Barikada 23:41, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

If everyone on the bus had a gun they could've shot the man before he beheaded the one passenger.99.236.43.183 23:56, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

And each other! Gun party... Gun girl... RationalWiki! ħuman 00:45, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, they could have shot him. A bus full of guns going off would have only killed the perpetrator. Before he actually perpetrated anything. And certainly wouldn't have injured anyone else. Searching for the story, I found this, comments are interesting, it's "good stuff" apparently... Armondikov 08:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

WTF

Given the length of the sections linked from WIGO could someone please summarise the Fox/RW/CP pandemonium. I'm away for two days and look what I miss... 58.168.89.226 04:18, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

RationalWiki:Parables. Genghis^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 04:30, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

That clears things up quite nicely actually. That whole exchange was f**ked up... Armondikov 05:36, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Potentially WIGO-worthy WTF, but need some input first to be on the safe side

As a non-American, I'm somewhat puzzled by Learn Together's implied claim (see edit summary) that "Inherit the Wind" (the fictional play/movie based on the Scopes Trial) is shown or maybe even acted out in science class. Is that true? If so, WTF? It's science class, you guys should be busy learning about SCIENCE, not law suits! --Sid 06:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm waiting for edits to be enabled to ask that one myself. --SpinyNorman 07:21, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I WTF'd at it myself. It seems to me that LT's got the wrong end of the stick or something.   ^Contribs_Talk 07:29, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Eh, ItW is one of those little pet creationist amulets. They think, I guess, that "Darwinists" run around using it as "proof" of something. Makes a nice triple feature with Birth of a Nation and Gone With the Wind... hehe. ħuman 15:03, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I personally laughed at the Conservapedia structure.... Sysop says it stays, end of discussion..... Take that Muthafuckas. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 15:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Indeed, as Human says, this is a favorite thing with creationists. The play and resulting movie are only loosely based on the actual occurrences; while much of the personalities and interactions are true, a lot of the facts are very different. Most prominently, Scopes was not an innocent fellow interested in science really. Instead, he volunteered for the test case to try to overthrow the law, meeting the request of the ACLU (which had offered to cover the costs of such a case). That's one of many reasons I am a card-carrying member of the ACLU, actually. Many creationists feel - and are justified to some moderate degree - that the movie is often displayed as the literal truth. It is not. It is actually often shown in science classes; I watched it in my school, in fact.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 04:25, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

"I can explain..."

Oh, Kara... either your reading comprehension is low, or you're once again handwaving frantically...

Quick recap for the late joiners:

• Kara banhammered Wisdom for off-site behavior (explicitly so, even)
• KevinM (who had just returned from a "short" block he got for questioning Kara's behavior of banning half a million IPs) points out that Kara violated CP rules
• Kara banhammers Kevin without replying
• Now, somebody on Talk:Main Page brings up this case to confront Andy's claim that it's liberals who don't accept responsibility

And Kara's reply? "It's easy! Let me just repeat my baseless claims for the old case (that half a million IPs were used for vandalism) and completely ignore the one you mentioned! Oh, and allow me to throw in some lies about the user who can't defend himself anymore." --Sid 07:08, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

The ultimate example of a sysop not accepting responsibility on CP was the TerryH/Gitmo fiasco a few months ago. I've yet to see Andy directly comment on that one. --SpinyNorman 07:26, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, but TerryH never admitted he was wrong whereas Kara ... Oh! Sorry ...   ^Contribs_Talk 07:33, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

And there he goes. Was expecting Karajou to just revert and block, but he answered!... by refusing to answer anything. If only Jinx could use that anti-Semitic brain of his and ponder just why he "left" (was banned from) Wikipedia because of rampant "abuse" on him when blatant things from CP are shown almost daily. lawl. Norseman^Wassail! 00:11, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

"Hey, I can use this in my American History Class..."

In the upcoming "Andrew Schlafly Trustworthy Guide to American History", we'll learn that Nixon really wasn't a crook after all - it was media bullying that forced him out of office, because he was never impeached. It was only a coincidence that the bullying-induced resignation came right after democrats and republicans in congress passed three articles of impeachment against him.

I'm reminded of those "For Dummies" books with the cute sidebars. For his new history book, the sidebar here would read:

Lawyer Andy Says...

Remember kids, if a conservative resigns or dies before the trial starts, then they were never found guilty, and THAT means it never happened!"

Sigh. --SpinyNorman 07:45, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

---

Not taking the class. I'm not allowed due to a "new rule". o.O The real sock^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 13:30, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

New rule? --SpinyNorman 13:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

College students aren't allowed. o.O The real sock^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 18:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

You might correct him with what really happened or ask an uncomfortable question. --Shagie 18:37, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I think it's just because I was distracting the times I showed up after the break session. That's also part of the new rule. If you're not a parent/non-high school sibling, then you are not allowed to sit in on the classes. I thought I proved myself not to be a distraction during the "CP dinner"... oh well. o.O The real sock^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 18:57, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Boy George

Heh! We don't need to vandalise them, jinxy's doing the job for us!   ^Contribs_Talk 13:27, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, it's freaky. What was this called again? Oh yeah... Reductio ad Hitlerum. (WP link because our version just redirects to Godwin's Law) And Jinx not only re-adds plagiarism, he completely rewrites the rules when it comes to dealing with it: It stays until you can solidly prove that the editor is not [name of guy it was stolen from]. --Sid 13:37, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I think Jinx is going to start editing from a foil-lined room soon...[6] --SpinyNorman 14:05, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Replying to that post: Hey, Jinx. You do know that you're directly implying that William Ruhlmann added vandal-links to "Necro Babes", an "erotic horror" site? Also, the applied policy is to revert/delete first and then to determine if it's maybe the same guy. It's important to first play it safe: Don't just assume that you got permission to reproduce entire articles just because the first name matches (Fun fact: "William" is a somewhat popular name). And lastly, it's not my job to make sure you don't got permission. And even if I went through your arbitrary hoops, you wouldn't believe my "He answered and told me that he didn't add it" anyway. Bottom line: You're breaking accepted policy and very likely the site rules. --Sid 14:16, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

OH. DEAR. GOD. EPIC LOGIC FAIL. Seriously, I have been around CP ever since the first Blog Rush, but I think I never saw common sense hitting such an epic low. Jinx, please tell me that was just your sense of humor shining through. Then we can all laugh and pretend you never had the most epic Brain Fail in the history of Conservapedia. --Sid 19:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Unless I'm mistaken, wasn't William123 that nasty little racist who added all the stuff about the AWB on their blog? I'm sure he'll write right back to Jizzonmeshoes. Afterall, along with Terry, they're kindrid racists spirits.

Dems turn off the lights for Republicans

I can't wait for the Aschlafly spin on this it should be great BoredCPer 15:46, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Loving the froth in the comments... I take it politico or the crypt is a right-wing stronghold? ħuman 16:49, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Favorite snippet so far: "But the Oil Reserves of the United States belong to the people". Damn socialist... ħuman 20:03, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

It's taxpayer-funded oil, dammit! It should be fully released to the public! --Sid 20:07, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

And being the analytical engineers and geology experts we republicans are, we know for a fact that we can build the wells, put up the platforms, start drilling, extract the oil, process the oil - all in a short enough time that our damn gas prices will go down, don't you know. Alaska, too!--Waiting for Godot 11:05, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Lockdown

The ability to edit is usually shut off overnight. It now seems to have been shut off at 3:50pm. Is this a the end? --Toffeeman 16:33, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Nah, the randomly lock it down all the time. tmtoulouse ^irritate 16:34, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Getting an early weekend start, I guess? --SpinyNorman 16:48, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy's been bored with CP a bit I think lately, and just sets the alarms whenever he goes out back for a fresh bite of chew. ħuman 16:49, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Well he certainly can't stand stuff like this and responds in characteristic style. Maybe the constant need to bullshit and bully is getting too much for him. --Toffeeman 17:11, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

He's still not sent it though! COWARD!   ^Contribs_Talk 18:56, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm thinking Narcissistic personality disorder might explain some things [7] such as this: [8]--Neon 09:19, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Is the lockdown still active? It looks like they're shooting fish in a barrel right now. People sign on and flop around helplessly while the Block Right crew keeps reloading. --Sid 20:04, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I was at talk:main laughing at with JinkMcChewbakka ten minutes ago and the tab said "view source" (I was logged in). ħuman 20:39, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

That explains a lot; thanks. Fun fact: The last mainspace edit (fixing a single-letter typo) was one hour ago. The next edit to the mainspace (a revert) was more than three hours ago. Rapid growth! --Sid 20:46, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Yea, I used to play with the "how much time to get 500 non-minor main space edits" all the time to gauge activity. I stopped paying attention when it started taking 14-24 hours for that to occur. I went ahead and did it just now for fun and it is almost up to the "weeks" length of time. tmtoulouse ^irritate 20:50, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

*adjusts Recent Changes to 500/non-minor/mainspace* Whoa. And that still includes wandalism drives and edits that should be marked as minor... --Sid 20:53, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Wikipedia takes about 5-10 minutes for the same criteria. Not that we all didn't know that Wikipedia is many, many, many times larger than CP. tmtoulouse ^irritate 20:57, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Just change the criteria to 150 edits, it'll be less time sat around waiting :S Armondikov 21:09, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

It would be nice to make a graph of that number since CP was born to show off to Jinxy. ħuman 18:00, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I, Mouthbreather

In other news today, Jinx is becoming obsessed with Rationalwiki. DogP 19:36, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Seriously Jinx you need a hobby. Maybe you should try to improve your site based on what you find here. The pie charts show how little collaboration takes place on your collaborative encyclopedia. Why don't you play with one of Conservatives pet articles? $\approx$$\pi$ 19:47, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh dear! No good'll come of it! He'll snap & go postal any time soon.   ^Contribs_Talk 19:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ohhhhhh those pie charts! Maybe he's just jealous that he didn't get one? Really, his Red Telephone moments are starting to become increasingly silly and trivial. --Sid 20:01, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

What the hell is he even talking about? tmtoulouse ^irritate 19:59, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

My thought exactly? What pie-charts? Are you referring to my excellent You're Clueless graph? DogP 20:00, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

The pie charts about Atheism/Evo/Homo where people calculated how Ken made more edits than all other people combined, most likely. --Sid 20:01, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Even though the "Clueless!" one is fancy, too! --Sid 20:02, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Indeed so, however it epic phails at being a pie-chart. Where are the Kenservative pie-chart, Sid? DogP 20:06, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia:Hijacked articles --Sid 20:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

That reminds me I should keep working on the WIGO count thing, thank you Jinx! NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 20:22, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

You know Jinx, if you want us to make some pretty graphs for CP all you have to do is ask. We will even show you how to do it to, if you are nice. tmtoulouse ^irritate 20:54, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

We will even give you and Andy some good classes in statistical analysis. You both need it. DogP 21:02, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Some Jinx based graphs? Like ratio of Jinx's _{(Hi, Jinx)} talk posts regarding Rationalwiki to those regarding Conservapedia? Armondikov 21:15, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

You guys are so stupid you don't even know where or what your pie charts are? Gosh, they were so hard to find. I mean, it was really difficult for me to click the links in the CP template box on the right of the WIGO page. 67.135.49.198 23:45, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually, finding and understanding our pie charts is very easy, Jinxy. Less easy is translating your paranoid ravings. Hence the confusion.

Incidentally, this should probably have been an edit conflict. It just looks silly now. ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 23:55, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Jinx, my friend, we have graphs and charts all over the site. Since most of the people here have an IQ about 60-100 points higher than your average CP sysops, we understand that what we find to be a convenient way to quickly disseminate information might make you confused. Congratulations on finding a specific article somewhere that has pretty pictures, as stated above several of us would be happy to dumb it down for ya so you don't have to be so jealous. tmtoulouse ^irritate 23:57, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, it didn't take you months to find the charts like it took you to find WIGO so I suppose that's something. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 02:12, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Quick Debate

Should we start just ignoring Jinx? I know he is always good for a laugh, but recently he has become obsessive. He is now feeding of the beratings we give him. He is clearly a lonely little boy that wants attention, but goes about it in the wrong way.

Agreed but only because his thirst for attention is not as amusing as Ken's. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 20:33, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Nah, let's keep it up unless it's turning into stress. Unlike Ken, Jinx doesn't focus his shout-outs in one area (he also can't delete them instantly), so they're all over the place. People lurking and posting will wonder what he's talking about, and they'll either find us by googling or they will get into trouble by asking openly. Added bonus: We all know that people who mention RW too often get into trouble sooner or later, and Jinx is already hopping around on somewhat thin ice after the clash with Fox. Let him stomp some more. :)

Besides, it leads to hilarious escalations like the Boy George Incident. --Sid 20:40, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I agree with feeding the fire. Good entertainment for a Friday evening. ħuman 20:40, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

My philosophy, which may be in the minority but I am not sure, is that the crazier it gets, the more people involved and the more interaction we have (even through "shout outs) the better it is all around. The more people that see how crazy CP is the better, and the crazier it gets and the less encyclopedic it gets the better. I cheer Ken on with his SEO, I think it is a good thing for sanity to have CP's shit ranked high on google. tmtoulouse ^irritate 20:43, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I agree with Human. Folks - get your liberal asses on the couch, crack open a beer, and watch the show. DogP 21:03, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, Ok, but he better start making people ask uncomfortable questions soon. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 02:24, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Quick question for Der Fuhrer

Hey, ummm...about this block. Ehm...Did your mother name you Aschlafl Yankovic? Because otherwise....We have a problem. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink ^COURTNEY!!! 21:07, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

My favourite CP rule, it's more pick-and-choose than the 90/10 thing. (some days it means 90 edits to 10 talk, others it means 10 edits to 90 talk) :D Armondikov 21:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Supreme court cases

Whatever happened to Andy's supreme court class? Did he give it up when no one cared enough to sign up for it? And for the longest time he was adding little one paragraph synopses of supreme court cases in order to become the worlds leading source on "concise" case law. Did he give that up too? tmtoulouse ^irritate 22:02, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes. And probably. --JayJay4ever^??? 22:58, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

"Literature: Throughout the history of the world, many people have written on various topics in a language of their choice. They write in either prose or poetry. A small fraction of it is pretty to hear." RationalWiki now contains the most concise and complete description of worldwide historical literary efforts.--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 04:31, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, yeah... we also do funny. And leave your coelum out of it! (I think) ħuman 04:36, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

On lit.: "Literary criticism is usually itself considered a form of literature." Say it twice, so it means twice as much? ħuman 04:38, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Wow - American History Lectures

I'm usually not overly interested in history lectures, so I never bothered to look into the CP Lectures, but DAMN, I've been missing out!

“”Maybe we could write most of American history just by predicting what would probably happen. Imagine a big chunk of land in between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans. There are people who live on the land. Ask yourself: why would Europeans want to go there? What reasons can you think of? Search for gold. Convert the natives to Christianity. Conquer the natives. Obtain freedom. Why do your parents homeschool? For some of the same reasons.

Around then, I almost fell out of my chair, laughing like crazy. I was 95% certain that I was looking at the most awesomely wandalized article ever, but nope, this had been in there ever since Andy's first edit! --Sid 22:09, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

I only just read them myself also. Damn funny. However, its the writing assignments where Andy really hits his stride. Ace McWicked^Interesting 22:11, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

You mean those "Write a perfect essay about why Phyllis Schlafly is the greatest person on Earth or about why guns solve every problem you could think of!" assignments? --Sid 22:12, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Again, this is a moment that makes me feel like I can see inside his head. "We can write history by predicting the future"? "Homeschooling is like converting natives to Christianity"?

Beam me up, Scotty; there is no intelligent life down here. ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 22:13, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

How come I didn't notice that? Homeschool = mining for golden children?

And yes, my girlfriend is the greatest person on Earth! o.O The real sock ^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 22:14, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ahahaha, I didn't even fully notice the bit about writing history by predicting the future (hey, it's past 4am, gimme a break)! And you know I meant Phyllis Senior. :P (Though at first, also due to the 4am part, the "two persons, one name" bit also didn't register with me, which led to some VERY disturbing mental images about your dating habits.) --Sid 22:22, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, I don't date married women. Nor women who have already had sex. o.O The real sock ^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 22:27, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Presumably you'd still be able to date victims of rape or molestation? 67.170.155.176 23:46, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

This is priceless! Presumably homeschooling is like converting natives to Christianity because you spend your time indoctrinating your kids. On the other hand "conquer the natives" seems more ominous.-Antifly 22:38, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

According to Roger, the b*tches were asking for it! 'Cuz he's classy that way. --Kels 00:34, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

This certainly needs its own page. Ace McWicked^Interesting 22:24, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

In the mainspace, as it should be! Another concise encyclopedia entry! --Sid 22:26, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

My favorite quote so far: "But before 1789 there was no president. How are we going to organize that? One way is to focus on the three most important colonies, Virginia (1607), Massachusetts (1620) and Pennsylvania (1681), and relate the other 11 colonies and events to them." So there were 3 + 11 = 14 colonies/states? Hmmmmmmmm perhaps back then there were 14 Islamic States? ħuman 02:36, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I like the opening line: Welcome to "American history," also known as "United States history.". Andy-poo, unless you're planning to teach South American history too, just call it US History or History-of-the-only-country-God-saw-fit-to-create-anything-outside-our-borders-is-a-figment-of-a-liberal-mind and be done with it. Oh, and be sure to mention that Pres Wilson's screwing over of Japan after WW1 led directly to the dropping of the Bomb on Pearl Harbour. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 08:14, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Child labor

Anyone else find the whole child labor aspect of his course kind of self serving and nasty?

"Assignment: Enter or improve at least 10 topics relating to this lecture. Example topics are "Mayflower Compact" or "Puritans". Simply input one of those or another historical term in the upper-left hand box and click "Go". If the term does not yet exist, then click the link to enter a description. If the term is already described, then improve the description or enter another historical term.

The instructor will be evaluate your work based the number and quality of the entries, with feedback provided on your "Talk" page here. At the end of this course there will be recognition and ranking of the top students. Examinations will only be provided to students who complete these assignments. "

Write your own damn blog Andy. tmtoulouse ^irritate 22:31, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Child labour? They are "paying" to take the course...Antifly 22:35, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Is "Sweat shop" a better term? No edits, no pay! Pay = Good marks. o.O The real sock ^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 22:51, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

My favorite bit: "The instructor will be evaluate your work." So be sure to made sure you am using proper verb tenses! --Phentari 23:32, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Eh, you pwned me, I came here to quote that exactly. Verb tense? How about literacy in general?ħuman 23:35, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Hee. It gets even better. If they "improve speed" enough, will they eventually achieve Godspeed? --Phentari 00:53, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Also idiotic: He starts the whole course off with an important quotation, which he gets wrong. "The very first words of the Mayflower Compact were 'In ye name of God Amen.'" Sorry Andy, but your ignorance is showing.-Antifly 01:03, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Actually, those are the first words of the Compact. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 04:53, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Are you sure? I read your link to say "Acts by them done". I should dig out my souvenir copy, I guess... After the "intro", yes it does read "Inyytt [or some such]] name of God" ħuman 05:13, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I think the first paragraph is a description of the compact by the transcriber. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 07:01, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

AK: It's almost correct. Andy's mistake is to assume that in ye olde days people walked around saying "look at ye sun, and ye flowers, ye birds and ye bees." Complete nonsense. The fancy looking "y" character in old English is called a "thorn" and stands for the letters "th". So the first sentence should be "In the name of God Amen." It's a small point, but it demonstrates that Andy is in no position to be interpreting historical documents.-Antifly 08:51, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

To be fair, I doubt the average history teacher would know that. As you say, it's a minor point anyway and not particularly relevant for the overall understanding of the source. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 09:59, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

To be fair, if the average history teacher didn't know that, then the average history teacher is an idiot. "Ye olde shoppe" (& variants) is a common sight in the UK for Murcan tourists' benefit, but anyone who thinks that our ancestors said: "yee oldie shoppie" aint an historian.   ^Contribs_Talk 10:24, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I suppose "subtle point" is more accurate than "minor point." Language is important. The "evolution is just a theory" argument is a perfect example. Creationists pick up scientific literature, are completely ignorant of the language that scientists use, and take the text to read as modern day demotic English. The "yee" versus "the" example shows that Andy does the same thing with historical texts. The results are predictable.-Antifly 11:01, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Except that he's not misreading anything here. He's trying to show that religion was important to the early British settlers in America, and this is obviously true, even trivially so. As long as this is not meant as a professional transcription or anything, this is just nitpicking. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 14:44, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

WTF (part the second)

I read this and almost died, from his "American History Lecture 5:"

Learn history in small pieces. I can’t grade all the papers in this course at one time, or even in one day. After about an hour or two, I burn out. But doing this in 45 minute periods each day, it is very enjoyable. The material is easier to digest. Could you eat one and only one meal each day? No, we eat three meals so it’s easier to digest. Same with learning history. 45 minutes each day for 5 days will be much easier than over 4 hours in one day. You’ll retain the material much better if you spread it out.

_{According to 20/20 (unbiased media), you are supposed to eat 6 meals a day--3 major meals and 3 "snacks" to reduce your body fat percentage. o.O The real sock ^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 12:05, 2 August 2008 (EDT)}

REALLY ANDY? You wanna know what being a real teacher is like.... try grading papers for every kid in your class, which is about 25 - 30 depending on the subject and then multiplying that by the five to seven classes your actually teaching. You know why we real teachers have to put up with that shit..? Because of ASSHOLES like you that wanna pull funding away from Public Schools because you're so full of yourselves that you assume you can make better teachers..... Ok, I'll stop now.... I swear, just one more thing: FUCK YOU ANDY.and you can quote me SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 03:41, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah but, it's easier to just pray every day, and present two multiple choice (aren't those easier to grade?) tests, and bang, you're done. Right? I teached um? ħuman 03:56, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Oh, Chuck,

"1607 is one of the few dates you should memorize. This was after the Spanish had settled in Florida, but before the French had settled in Quebec. So remember the sequence: Spanish, English, and then French. "

That is the whole paragraph. You public (atheist state) school teachers should learn from smaht people like Andy how to teach. Of course, it helps to have really smaht, already-Christian-oriented students. Chuck, I suspect you probably are against prayer in school, and like to see babies ripp'd untimely from the womb and cast into the ashcan? Your liberal lies and confusion will not sway us here, allow you mind to be free (you also have free will to be wrong!) and the truth shall make you, um, poop in rainbow colors... ħuman 03:47, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

As a matter of fact, you liberal subversive commie fagHomosexual, I am not against prayer in school.... If a bunch of religious folk wanna prayer whatever. I'm against school sponsered manatory prayer... and not even because of the religious aspect.... it's more of the fact that doing that just opens the door for kids to act up... for example, when the middle school I work at did a moment of silence for 9/11 and Columbine, about 15 kids were written up for obnoxious behavior... Give them this chance everyday and it leads to complete chaos. As for the your over the top graphic speech on abortion, I never wanna see a fetus in the ashcan... they can be expolited for stem cells and maybe even a good fuel source... SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 03:59, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

"Leads to complete chaos" -- Oh you're too kind, Chucky. ~ Gloom_{(is never asleep)} 04:02, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, if there's anything I can't stand, it's incomplete chaos. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 04:05, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Well said, Chuck. Hell, at about 11 AM that day, I lit a candle and shut the hell up for a few minutes. My vet. lost her husband on one of those planes, and sold her practice a few years later to get involved full-time in the peace movement. As far as the uses of fetuses, yes, the ashcan is silly. Hell, pop 'em out , plump 'em up and roast them slowly! Yum! Num num num. Anyway, I don't think teh assfly has a clue as how to actually teach. ħuman 04:17, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Exactly... As adults, we know when it's appropriate to shut up damn traps... kids don't see it that way, especially middle and high school kids... For Christ's sake, we had trouble getting our kids to stand for the pledge of allegiance (Colorado state law demands that every school give the students an oppurtunity to say the pledge everyday, but we can't force them to) I cannot even fathom trying to keep them quiet for individual prayer.... And even if the Assfly watched a marathon of Mr Holland's Opus, Stand by Me, Stand and Deliver and Sister Act II, he wouldn't have the first idea about how to begin approaching teaching. He views teacher as a way to gain power over others (it's a running theme in his family, note the failed Congressional attempts) and implant kids with his version of events. A true teacher will not impose their will on the students, be they left wing or right wing. A truly gifted teacher will help kids discover their own thoughts, feelings and beleifs and not try to cram a certain mindset down their throats. You here me Andy... I'm talking to you bitch... Jinx, I know you're watching, don't bother passing that message you fuck face. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 04:22, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I second Chuck, but without the tyops. (you don't know how how hard it is to type that without any!) ħuman 05:18, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

"1607 is one of the few dates you should memorize. This was after the Spanish had settled in Florida, but before the French had settled in Quebec. So remember the sequence: Spanish, English, and then French." It might just be because I got this out of context, but, uh, Florida didn't have a European settlement from 1561 to the 1690s. And wouldn't Acadia, settled in 1604, be a better example of French settlement? Barikada 05:01, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, teh assfly says you are wrong, or confused, open your mind and get with the program! ħuman 05:18, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

All must obey Ass of Fly? Barikada 05:34, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, if you only open your mind, you will see that whatever Andy thinks is the TRUTH. ħuman 06:03, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

There was Saint Augustine from the 1560's. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 07:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

"failure to recognize that American politics is always a battle between two sides". I guess Al Gore and the Green Peace Party have no say for the Independents, eh? o.O The real sock ^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 12:08, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

The two sides are the Real True Conservatives and the Forces of Eeeeevil, aka "Everyone Else". --Gulik 14:05, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Basic test skills. I think I learned this for the GEPA. o.O The real sock ^{of a sock... known as Chaosfish} 14:00, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

So let me see if I've got this straight: public school teachers, who routinely grade 35 papers or more in a night, who provide competent test-taking strategies, and who had damned well better ensure that the materials they present are free of egregious grammatical errors, are incompetent. Andy, who has admitted his inability to grade 35 papers in a night, who provides watered-down versions of the same test-taking strategies, and whose lectures are rife with mistakes that would be unacceptable in a middle-school essay, is competent.

Also today in Bizarro World: Cat rescues firefighter from tree. Film at 11. --Phentari 14:30, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Picture available now. --Shagie 15:04, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I only just read these lectures, and they are just heartbreaking. I mean, it is simply abysmally sad that some children may actually learn some of these "facts."--Tom Moore^{fiat justitia ruat coelum} 04:36, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia Law

The law offices of Conservapedia are indeed a scary thing.... Andy thinks the FBI is his own personal goon squad, ready to attack all those who impune the name of Schlafly, Karajou thinks that vandalizing a public wiki by creating a free account and inserting nonsense is cyber-terrorism (which, as an aside, makes me glad he's out of the navy... can you imagine that? "Captain, Terrorists off the port bow, they've got Vista and Proxy Servers) and Jinx is so convinced that everybody is a mole or a parodist, he's taken to a "shoot first, ask questions never" mindset. I really feel bad for the few people (assuming there are any) that are just being drug down further and further into laughing stock status. Conservapedia is the Right Wing version of PETA... you may agree with some of their stances, but you loathe them for making you look awful. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 03:49, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

"In the Navy.... ba dum ba dum.... In the Navy" It's like being at "The Y M C A"! ħuman 06:05, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

If you look at the bigger picture, for whatever reason they "left" Wikipedia (for exemplia, Jinx thinks they're abusive and POV-pushing tag-teamers), it's almost ten-fold as much worse on CP, except they have the power. Norseman^Wassail! 12:37, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

First rule of American politics: It's Not Wrong If A Conservative Does It. --Gulik 14:19, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Second rule: If something bad happens it wasn't a conservative that did it! Or at least not a True Conservative.   ^Contribs_Talk 14:25, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

If something bad happens and you can pin it on a Conservative, and being found guilty doesn't count if you can get people to believe it's a conspiracy, then they weren't really a Conservative to start with, even if Andy and the rest praised him to the skies as one only the day before. --Kels 15:15, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

And when Obama and Clinton both turn out to have killed the same guys, it's not a vicious rumour spread by the Conservative slander machine, clearly voodoo was involved. Curse those liberal Haitians! --81.187.254.242 16:37, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Obama and Ludacris

Strange, this week when Obama was denouncing Ludacris' new song Politics as usual, his spokesman said "Ludacris is a talented individual, (but) he should be ashamed of these lyrics" (emphasis mine) I am perfectly certain that Andy Schlafly Esq,BSE,JD,JA,SOB,SMF,etc. will be deleting entry 41 from his Liberal Style essay very strong article and start apologizing for the mistake at once.and I have a great bridge in Brooklyn to sell you too SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 17:33, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Bet - he'll completely ignore it even if someone parades it to his front door. He's still making dumbass claims (I wish I could remember my password to challenge his statement in comparison to CP) that anyone can see through, and has yet to say ANYTHING about Ted Stevens. As long he acts like he never reads about it, he's still 100% right. Norseman^Wassail! 17:56, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Nope, he's going to spout the "feign shame for fellow liberals", you know, the one that's mutually incompatible with that unless you can read minds. NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 18:26, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

And how come nobody noticed the piece of Schlafly Statistics that is the first reference? NightFlare^{This is a talk page.} 18:29, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

I can't speak for the rest of the mob, but I noticed it... I, however, have come to the conclusion that dealing in any way with the Liberal Style article is a lot like Yelling at a compass, shout all you want, it'll still point North. Andy is never going to accept any flaws in it, no matter how glaring they are and how many people (his own acolytes included) speak ill of it. So I just sit back and point out the glaring lies and general statments and laugh... by the way, doing a search on reflects poorly turns up no on topic hits... might wanna rewrite that one Andy SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 19:01, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

You have to "know" to include various namespace talk pages in your search. I got eight hits. ħuman 19:15, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Poe's Law Strikes Again

Reading AdmiralNelson's comments on the Muralism talkpage, I can only hope that he's taking the piss. Then again, given Smeg Ed's objection to the statue of David, one never knows anymore. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 20:16, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

Of course he is... has anyone else managed to link from CP to a picture of a lady's naked top section before? ħuman 01:41, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

But it was Juaquin that put it in in the first place, and tried to keep it there. Smyth 12:32, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Liberals Hate Columbus

I didn't WIGO this because I find that whole thing a bit intimidating, but this [9] is particularly nutty. Or, who knows, maybe no one else is surprised by what Andy deems liberal these days. -Greenmango 01:05, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I like how Andy tries really hard to say that Leif Ericksson might not have existed. You know, despite the fact that we know where he and his crew tried to create a settlement.

Heck, there's also the strong possibility, given period writings, that a Chinese crew ended up on the shore of Washington long before Columbus hit his uninhabitable rock. But obviously, these are just myths made up because we can't stand the thought of a Christian discovering something. Barikada 02:37, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Ugga mugga gurg.... this is the exact noise I made when I read "failure to recognize that American politics is always a battle between two sides" ANDY, GET SOME FUCKING HELP YOU IDIOT. At no point in American history has there ever been "Two sides" on ANYTHING... For those of you wondering why I'm getting all worked up about this, it is becaue this man is attempting to teach children, who are most likely at a stage where they can make some important decisions and begin the road towards making a positive contribution and this Jackass is PISSING THAT AWAY. Andy, Sit in on a fucking class and learn something... A slight lesson (for free) in American Politics today, there are approx. 18,000 different points of view about several subjects. Nothing in life is "Red vs. Blue." Even the Civil war, which is typically borken down that way is not two sided. You are a horrible human being and I hope you catch something. SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 03:06, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

What is your major malfunction? The American People have /always/ had the unique gift to polarise any subject no matter how many nuances or issues are involved! It always has been and always will be White Vs. Black, Good Vs. Evil, South Vs. North, and Christian Vs... Other denominations of Christian! Barikada 03:14, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Sorry, I know I sound completely demented when I rant like that.... but I can't stand Andy indoctrinating these kids... and I disagree. While many people speak of things in black and white terms, I'd say a good 95% understand that there are subtle differences SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 03:23, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

This is already the... second time I agree with Andy on something in one and a half year. In my book "to discover a new land" does not mean to find it, but to come back, report about it and be believed. By all means, Columbus did change the course of world history, Ericksson did not. (Editor at) CP:^{no intelligence allowed} 03:50, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

It's not the Columbus part people are objecting to, I think, but mainly the part that says that people (presumably, 'liberals') are attempting to downplay the role of Jesus in discovering America. The irony of course is that when Leif Ericson was alive, Christianisation was all the rage in Scandinavia. The missionaries had arrived with their offers of shiny new clothing and immortal life for anyone who'd be baptised and Christianity was the trendy new cult to be seen in. By the time Leif arrived in the Americas he was almost certainly a Christian. --81.187.254.242 04:55, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

In my eyes, the "WTF" of that is the part where Andy uses the classic weasel words again to completely distort the apparent consensus: "Some claim that around 1000 A.D., the Scandinavian Leif Ericson discovered Vinland where the present New England is, and even supposedly founded a small colony that failed." From what I read, there is real evidence of such a colony (even though there is debate if that colony is indeed the "Vinland" in question), so Andy's typical "A few fringe lunatics make up fairy tales about some colony that supposedly exists" style is really little more than deceit. He can't accept the fact that anybody would by any chance have found that country before Columbus. I figure that once we get Roger into the mix, he'll claim that even the Native Americans only found and colonized America after Columbus. Or that they were practically dying out and had to be saved by the Great Christians. --Sid 06:19, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I'm not sure what he's complaining about. While adults tend to have to knowledge to be aware that Columbus was not the first, it's still taught in the schools that he was the primary reason for populating America. There might be mention at the upper levels that he was not as godly as we had been led to believe. But I was never taught anything other that 100% pro-Columbus stuff from public schools. - Lardashe

And, of course, it's ALL irrelevant, as the folks who came over the Bering Straits beat everyone else to discovering America by about 10,000 years or so. --Gulik 15:57, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy's Anti-Viking spree

Update: This "liberal myth" has just made the front page "news" section! And he even clarified the "discovered" bit that Ed@CP mentioned: Now, Columbus was the first to reach North America. --Sid 10:05, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Meh. Beaten to it by an edit conflict. Ah well, here's my 2c anyway. Oh God. Andy's got a new bee in his bonnet now. It's the evul librulls who conjured up the Vikings Discovered America Conspiracy. [10] [11] [12] Let's all chant along with the Orwellian Sheep... Vi-kings bad... Col-um-bus Good... Vi-kings bad... Col-um-bus Good... Does Andy know that Columbus never actually reached the mainland and only sailed around Haiti, Dominica, etc, etc (or something like that) and that this "deeply religious" man also took slaves back to Europe. Any bets on whether that will be in the course material? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 10:10, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

It gets even better! Check out the front page of Andy's source! I especially like "Time Travel Is Source Of World Religions" (it's on the same archive page as the article Andy cited, even).--Sid 10:25, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

(Added a convenient "edit" button) Oops, somebody with actual knowledge chimes in on the talk page, differing between the cases Andy clings to and actual evidence found in Newfoundland. Andy's reply: Forgery! --Sid 10:41, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

It goes back to the whole "What I say is right and therefore The Truth. Anything contradictory is wrong and thus deceitful in some way that I'll think of." The man takes delusional to a whole new level (btw anybody have a tame shrink handy to analyse Andy's diverse outpourings? I'm sure the results could be interesting). Although it is impressive how he sticks to his self-opinionated, narrow-minded, blinkered guns come hell or high water (or facts... logic... reason... for that matter) --PsyGremlin_Whut? 10:58, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Update - taking bets on just what JBoleys' life expectancy on that blog will be [13][14] --PsyGremlin_Whut? 11:17, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, I put my money on "not long", worth keeping an eye on the logs... Jinx _{(Hi Jinx!)} has already accused him of ad homing so it won't be long before the hammer drops. But on a serious note, how exactly does saying that the Vikings probably got their first for a bit undermine anything that later european christian explorers did? There are native americans that undoubtedly got there before Columbus and co, I don't think even CP's alternate reality can get away with denying that one. Persecution Complex thy name is ASchalfy... Armondikov 11:34, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Aaaannnd... he's gone! [15] and with it the last hope of salvation of the history "lectures" --PsyGremlin_Whut? 14:44, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I think Roger will claim that Native Americans got here after Columubus. He has this crazy anti-native thing.--Franklin 12:06, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Soon to be insighted on CP: Native Americans American Indians were the first illegal immigrants! --Sid 12:08, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Hee, hee. Let's get to deporting them thar injuns so thar is space for REAL Americans!--Franklin 12:20, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Lord, that hits a spot in me. It's obvious he is completely clueless about Viking _____ (insert culture, history, anything in that space). Without cites and from memory, the settlement tried to make currency and after the place was abandoned, they buried it. Archaeologists found Norse-style homes, clothing items and pins from the iron age, and so much more that links it to Scandinavian culture. The best question to ask him is if Leif didn't have a settlement in Vinland, who did, and where did Leif really go? Oh and look, Jinx tag-teams with Andy to push POV, another hypocritical statement he made against Wikipedia. Dumbassery abounds! Norseman^Wassail! 13:59, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'll be damned. My first post in this sub-section said that Andy finally used clear language when he spoke of reaching America, but now he has gone on and has redefined the word to mean "arrived and created a long-term settlement to assert a claim of the entire land". --Sid 16:58, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I LOL'd --Kels 19:52, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

AAARGH! *insert sound of /me repeatedly banging head against wall here* --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 19:57, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

So, er, question. If Andy thinks that aforementioned Norse buildings aren't Norse, what ARE they?

And: "Nobody knows whether some lost European saw the coast of North America in hundreds of years, and nobody cares." Er... Columbus was rather lost. (Vikings? Not so much.) Aside from someone with intents like Columbus', I don't think you can just "get lost" around Europe and end up at North America. Barikada 03:39, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

It doesn't matter. The Great Leif Erikson vs. Columbo Columbus is now a CP Core Issue. Andy has decreed that Columbus is the Great Christian American Hero who discovered America, the Christian Vikings who actually discovered America are not relevant to his interests, and L'Anse aux Meadows is a hoax perpetrated by the great conspiracy of evil experts and archaeologists. Anyone who says otherwise is a deceitful liberal and that's that. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 07:25, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Columbus

This might be the evil liberal Wikipedia, but I thought wp:Christopher_Columbus actually on discovered Mexico, Cuba and other parts of the Caribbean? What does he actually have to do with US history other than possibly encourage other people to sail out that way?

Also Andy's Viking thing is quite funny considering his global warming stance. The Vikings use to farm Greenland and possibly were able to sail to America before the mini-ice age began I think around 1200-1300 (I can't remember the actual dates now). It was only after the mini-ice age around 1500 people were able to cross the Atlantic again. Andy always credits this mini-ice age recession to our current increase in global temperatures. $\approx$$\pi$ 21:07, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

He also thought he made it to India, get it? Hence Amerigo Vespucciland as we know it today... ħuman 03:13, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

I have come across this guy reading today (apologies to the American and British that probably already heard of him). This is typical of Andy's anti-British stance where we have to down play every contribution Britain made to the world. Also turns out America is feminine. 192.43.227.18 03:40, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, pwned on both counts! Go add those facts to the trusworthy tricycle! And I always thought Cabot was a Brit. Dang. ħuman 03:54, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

(undent)

No lie, I had a dream last night that for a few hours Sunday night Andy's history lecture and every viking/columbus-related page kept getting wandalized with:

"Spam Spam Spam Spam

Spam Spam Spam Spam

Spammity-spam! Spammity-spam!"

...until the pages were all locked down, and I had to check this AM to see if it actually happened or not. Glad it didn't, because the ongoing pwning is more fun, but I thought I'd share. --SpinyNorman 09:05, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

While I haven't dreamed about CP, every now and then as I'm about to fall asleep, I think of the "Mr. Schlafly, tear down this site" and it starts me laughing. -Lardashe

American History Lulz Lectures

lol - the entire talk page for lecture 1 is basically Andy getting pwned for dubious content. --PsyGremlin_Whut? 12:47, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Andy rejects an American history text because it does not mention baseball [16]--Franklin 15:27, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

There's a distinct pain where my faith in humanity used to be. :/ Barikada 16:25, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Those lectures make great rainy day reading. One of my favorites are the evolving "periods" in US history. Last I check, "prosperity and the dot com boom" had been changed to "Post-Reagan Prosperity and the dot-com boom" (which immediately follows "Reagan conservatism"). Odd that the disastrous S&L collapse and deep recession that followed the Reagan era aren't noticed. Or any mention made of, um, who was President during that era of prosperity that led eventually to the dotcommie thing. ħuman 17:00, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

I really like that baseball thing. It sounds like the book is done like a Studs Terkel book, thus the focus of the book is in most part determined by the participants. I dare someone to suggest A People's History of the US. - Lardashe

I suggested that when Pandy first made the article... but that was before my IP changed, and I couldn't edit. Hmmmm. I can always slag it off as liberal claptrap after describing it... not today, though, I'd likely as not get treated to a Viking Funeral! ħuman 21:02, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Fred Phelps' garage on fire

(Found this on Plime): Flames engulfed the Phelps' family garage yesterday night. Whether this was the work of a liberal gay hate crime vandal arsonist or just an accident remains unclear - but the real question is, anyone has a good idea on how to use this piece of news to stir things up at CP? Things have been a bit quiet over there lately. Etc 14:09, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

GodHatesClutteredGarages.com coming soon? --81.187.254.242 14:14, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Let's face it, it's funny because it's Fred Phelps.Armondikov 19:58, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

It's more than funny, it's hilariously ironic. This guy points to every dead gay or soldier and says it's a punishment from God, but this little "accident" is just an accident. Or arson. Not a punishment for anything, no way. Etc 03:05, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

A Little Lesson

Hi Jinx... Just want to give you a quick lesson this edit is completely wrong. Bringing up Lenski's arguments against Schlafly is not repeat not a non sequitur. A non sequitur is defined as "1. a reply that has no relevance to what preceded it 2. (logic) a conclusion that does not follow from the premises" As the poster was bringing up that Andy has a tendency to not read anything presented to him (a fact which Prof. Lenski picked up on as well) it was perfectly natural for him to bring this up. To slightly paraphrase a John Stewart joke, A non sequitur would be "Andy, you claim that the vikings never reached America, but do you think Unicycles are furniture." HAve a nice day SirChuckB^{Obama/Biden? 2012} 15:27, 3 August 2008 (EDT)