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Poor old Ken[edit]

Not WIGO worthy, but good to see Ken's habit of getting ahead of himself isn't just confined to CP. Who in the world would pay for Ken to do anything? (He says... editing RW from work...) Matt 18:40, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

I thought Ken had already done great things to get CP's atheism "article" in the top 10 of every google in the world? Dmyerken 18:45, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
Ken makes CP's Atheism article visible from SPACE! Oh, and hilariously enough, googling for gentleman at another website conservapedia gives you RW on page 1. --Sid 19:30, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
You know what would be 'funny' - if his waves to us had a higher hit count than his atheism page, and if it was higher ranked. Just various amusements that one can do. --Shagie 19:42, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
I think he deletes his shout-outs on a regular basis, so it would be very short-term Lulz at best... --Sid 07:32, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Ah, poor Ken, having to retract his claims. DogP 19:06, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

"We don't categorise people by race..."[edit]

To be fair - the categorisation by race seems to mostly be the work of one fairly new, but really busy, editor...PFoster 20:55, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

UnFair Use?[edit]

All in a day's work for Joaquín:

[1] © Verwaltung Schloss Brühl]

[2] Copyright Ilan Kelman 2004]

[3] Copyright @ 2001 Sanjeev Nayyar, portal, All Rights Reserved]

[4] License info.

[5] Copyright © 2003 story, texts and photographs Only authorized personal non-profit use at home (note, too, that attribution info has been cropped off the CP version)

[6] All images © by Roberto Piperno

[7] All images © by Roberto Piperno

[8] All images © by Roberto Piperno

[9] Copyright © 1992-2008 UNESCO World Heritage Centre, All Rights Reserved

[10] Copyright © Chinadotcom All Rights Reserved

[11] © AA Recreation Tours & Travels Pvt. Ltd. 2007


[13] All contents copyright , © 2006-2008 Mobile Network All Rights Reserved

Shagie 02:27, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I believe Joaquin shares Andy's delusion that CP is an "educational institution" and therefore can take whatever it wants and call it fair use based on that. But it's pretty clear that CP is not actually designed to be educational, especially given it's blog-like focus and substandard foundation articles on even the most basic subjects. Either that, or Joaquin doesn't really give a flip, and just takes what he wants with the perfunctory figleaf. --Kels 23:54, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
Exactly my thoughts after reading this. Competitor.gfc 04:52, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I think it started with Andy's rather weak grip on copyright law, and his messianic fervor that CP's mission to save the world justifies any slight bending of the rules. And anyway, CP is a non-profit edumakational resource, and it says something about those things in the "fair use" criteria. Ipso facto, cogito parsum el solde lorem ipsum! humanUser talk:Human 00:46, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
The thing to do is to send an email to the copyright holder and point them to the contact person (Andy) and offer to help them in showing their infringing usage on CP. --Shagie 02:27, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I've done that before, but it's hit/miss, you know? It can be difficult to find the right snitch contact info, and in a lot of cases the copyright holder probably figures fixing it ain't worth the trouble. All in all, it's more fun just posting it here. I should add that the ones that really bug me are the WikiMedia Commons thefts--CP doesn't have to ask permission, they just have to post appropriate credit, and they can't even be bothered to do that.--WJThomas 08:18, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
He's getting beyond a joke now, see another list. SusanG 10:18, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Yep, he's a manic uploader; the log is typically 90% JM. To his credit, though, he does post where he got the images. That's not the same as obeying copyright, of course, but it's a heckuva lot more than the rest of those goobers do.--WJThomas 10:46, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Andy thinks that on ONE picture that the rights aren't clear. SusanG 21:59, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

TK and PJR[edit]

While TK may think that "Wikipedia" definitions of civil and politeness don't apply to CP, he's using a whole different tone with PJR. I'd call it the "Polite, respectful in correcting -er- konfusion" or his PRICK tone, for short. Go, on PJR, block him for being sarcastic. Bondurant 04:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I can't believe PJR keeps taking this crap. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 07:07, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
And there's more (if in doubt, check whose signature can be found at the bottom of that paragraph... oh, and for extra Lulz, check the original posting date of that paragraph!) --Sid 07:15, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
And on and on ... SusanG 09:34, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
...and on! SusanG
I can see PJR blowing a fuse here TK's making DEMANDS now! SusanG 09:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, note that PJR rushes to the defense of the user blocked for pointing out that Ed's wrong. As Ed becomes more TK, and TK becomes.... well, TK, I think PJR's getting more fed up. Wake up and smell the Karajou, PJR.-αmεσ (orator) 09:56, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

PJR quietly responds. SusanG 10:36, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I wonder how this will play out. I sort of hope PJR pulls a Fox and quits, then the last vestage of sanity (political, not religious) and civility will disappear over there. And I just love how Geoplrd is TK's "parole officer". "Mr. Capone, meet your parole officer, Mr. Nitti." DickTurpis 10:40, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
This little spat could turn interesting... [14] & [15]. Teekay going the route of e-mail again, so he deny what was said? Psygremlin 10:59, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I can haz ironi? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 11:40, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
How long until Ed steps into the bum... I mean breech? Psygremlin 11:48, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I know a lot of the other sysops read us, I wonder if PJR's following all this? If so, he's probably got a pretty good sense of how the project he's been with all this time is turning into TK-pedia with the help of Ed, and Crocoite and Kowardjou aren't terribly interested in stopping it. Meanwhile, project "Alienate All Non-Sysops" proceeds without slowing down... --Kels 12:38, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

If Andy really can't see what a divisive tool TK is, then I'd like him to know that I have some magic beans for sale. $100,000 buys five of the biggest and best. Beanstalks to Heaven, or your money back. Guaranteed. --Robledo 13:09, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
It's TK's standard tactic - he's used it here - divide & conquer! SusanG 13:16, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Aye. Superdumb going after PJR, though. He's got the patience and eloquence to ever so politely nail TK and his personality disorder to the wall. Give me a P! Give me a J! (you get the idea... ;) --Robledo 13:30, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Not at all...PJR may be the only person over there who is a)reasonably sane, and b)willing (sometimes) to stand up to Andy. As such, if TK can get PJR out of the way, he's home free to do whatever it is he's trying to do.--WJThomas 13:39, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I think TK will win. PJR has the patience of a saint, but TK is a force of nature.-αmεσ (orator) 13:42, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
TK's too unstable to execute long-term strategy effectively. He's all about short-to-mid term tactical plays, and he always seems to overreach eventually. ;) --Robledo 13:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Disagree. For all his evil, I admire his long-term planning. He systematically undermined and drove away contributors from CP for about six months before getting blocked, and he's recovered and is back doing it again! He's bulletproof.αmεσ (orator) 13:53, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I disagree with you Ames. TK's short/middle term "strategy" is just his "style", and play so well off the nature of groups like these that it keeps working (especially considering that in groups like these, virtually no one has a "long term strategy"). It only looks bulletproof until you mostly disengage and see the bigger picture -- which is hard for anyone he has managed to get his hooks into. humanUser talk:Human 21:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Awesome. I get to wheel out my favourite Conrad quote:

'Do you,' said I, looking at the shore, 'call it "unsound method?"' 'Without doubt,' he exclaimed, hotly. 'Don't you?' . . . 'No method at all,' I murmured after a while.

I don't see any long-term plan. Terry's just being Terry. He has an immediate desire for power and influence, and the collateral damage is incidental. --Robledo 14:09, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

(reset)I agree with Rob on that - he has no plan or strategy, he's just doing what comes natural to him - being an asshole. Look at his past history: throwing his weight around at that teenagers site (Hot Or Notwas it?) and doing the same at CP, which also lacks any stable, mature leadership base. Frankly, I don't care what happens now, they have invited the agent of their own downfall back into their midst and they will reap what they have sown. As for PJR, I'm not sure if he will quit; the thing is, he likes to dabble in the wiki thing, but doesn't really have anywhere else to go, I don't think. He wouldn't fit in at either WP or Creationwiki I don't think, so he's left with CP until a viable (for his editing) alternative comes along. I'd like to think that his conscience would eventually be pricked enough for him to see that his presence lends credence to the insane doodlings of WeirdEdMoon and the poison of TK and all the rest of the institutional lunacy that is running unfettered there, but I'm not holding my breath. Something about his editing recently tells me that he is trying to take a stand - and is only remaining there in order to do so - but Philip, if you're reading this, it's futile. You are wasting your time and your talent and really should separate yourself from the - now blatantly - unChristian, unConservative, unWiki hatefest that WeirdEdMoon and TK are revelling over. V. vulpes 15:39, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

You're right, Fox. Also, I still maintain that you were crucified by TK for the sins of CP. I hope you don't mind the hilariously irreverent metaphor.-αmεσ (orator) 15:45, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Heh, while *verging* on the sacriligious, it was still funny, in a Life Of Brian style. Which, not being given - completely - to knee-jerk reactions, I could see the funny side of. I'm pretty thick-skinned, the only down-side of which is that if seriously provoked I have a flash-to-bang-time of microseconds, and usually involves a right hook :( I blame my years playing second-line right-wing for a fearsome, British bush leagues ice hockey side :D Fox 15:53, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
[Andy's next crusade: getting rid of all the left-wingers in hockey. They're the ones causing all that violence, no doubt...]--WJThomas 17:11, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
TK, if you're reading this, don't quit CP just yet! You're so close to destroying it!-αmεσ (orator) 15:27, 12 April 2008 (EDT)


Welshman's had enough. SusanG 10:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

He blanks his talk page with "(there are too many unsavoury things happening on this "encylcopedia" for me to remain associated with it)" SusanG 10:54, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
And he's gone. But not without Ed adding insult to injury. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 12:19, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Interesting that Sharon thinks it's not insulting because it was on the page before, without realizing that insisting it be put back without context after the user wanted it removed, and banning him to boot, actually is insulting. --Kels 15:00, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

One I hadn't noticed before[edit]

Liberal trick:

  1. if you don't like it (something offensive on television), don't watch it (but they don't seem to go for if you don't like whales being killed, don't watch them being killed).
    SusanG 11:43, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Ah, the fine line between fiction and reality, if Andy just could see it... And watching something to happen is offcourse same thing as accepting it. Timppeli 12:49, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Bored with Conservapedia[edit]

I'm not sure when it happened but a few weeks ago I just got bored with Conservapedia. It's always the same old jokes, silly broad humor and prat falls. I do still read the CP excerpts here each day and that at least isn't a complete bore. I feel about Conservapedia like I might feel about a sitcom I just get tired of. They're even trying to bring back old characters, apparently. To think at one point I even thought they were dangerous. Please write funny responses below. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 17:43, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

If I knew any fitting Sitcom I would mention it, but I don't so I'm here ruining the joke. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 17:47, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
It's Shabbat, I just got wife back from airport, I got a house full of yelling kids and I can't entirely focus. So I'm not exactlt focused. But I have to say that I gave this a lot of thought ans couldn't come up with a comparable sit-com. Reason? Too many hate-driven wankers with NO REDEEMING QUALITIES (I'm looking at you, WeirdEdMoon, TK)and not enough lovable clowns (ALL BLOCKED, I'm looking at you, Auld Nick). A sitcom, even a dysfunctional one like Family Guy has lovable, redeemable characters. Sadly, CP does not. Fox 18:12, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Its not so much a sitcom... think of it more of a reality show... lets say, Big Brother. Where you've got Andy as the Head of Household, and then a bunch of people who pander to him and some that get evicted. Its not about the lovable clowns now (all evicted) but rather how much of a car wreck this is going to leave behind. Still, one can only watch a slow motion car wreck for so long before you get bored with it. Occasionally there's the "ohh, they lost a hubcap in this episode." --Shagie 18:29, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking of CP in terms of V for Vendetta the other day. Andy is clearly Adam Sutler with TK as Mr. Creedy. Conservative would be Lewis Prothero and Ed Poor and Karajou would be the two Fingermen who try to rape Evey Hammond (played here by any number of CPers who have honest disagreements with the establishment). PJR seems to be growing into Inspector Finch's role (a character who is loyal to the party, but begins to question its character as the film progresses). I think Fox would likely be Gordon Dietrich (the subversive comedy show host). I think that we as a collective are V and all the citizens who show up at the foot of Big Ben to observe the destruction of Parliament. Stile4aly 20:42, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Super quality movie. Mmmm. Natalie Portman...mmm.-αmεσ (orator) 20:50, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Haven't seen the movie, but you owe it to yourself to read the comic. I don't know how a single 2-hour movie could completely do it justice, honestly. --Kels 21:01, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Seconded. The comic is quite excellent. --Gulik 02:11, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Agreed. The film is its own entity, though. And for some reason I always watch the film before reading the book that way I'm not disappointed by everything the film left out or changed. It's a rare thing that a film is better than the source material. Stile4aly 16:23, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

A lovable clown eh? Lovable I may be but I wasn't the clown. The clowns were the sysops who trashed articles after I let them know they were reasonably balanced and factual. The clowns are still there. Auld Nick 19:07, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Most of (us) the lovable clowns were thrown off the show last May. And, yes, it's more like a reality show than a sitcom - those evil offspring of Jerry Springer thrive on characters no one likes, rather than the sitcom, that needs amiable foils, at the very least, to be watchable. humanUser talk:Human 21:55, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Not Bored with Conservapedia[edit]

How can you be bored when there's good old Kenny doing things like this:

Ken says: I may ask my contact to arrange a brief call between me and Mr. Norris and perhaps his website will link to CP's atheism article.- User:Conservative/T0:Gentlemen-at-another-website


I may ask my contact
If I really get the motivation
to arrange a brief call between
If my contact can be bothered
me and Mr. Norris
If Mr Norris can be bothered
and perhaps his website will link to CP's atheism article.
Then again, perhaps it won't

Awful lot of conditionals in sequence there Kenny Baby.


"Gentlemen the eyes of the ranger may soon be upon you"-Ken. I almost choked to death laughing at that one! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 21:35, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
If we're talking rangers, I'd rather have Aragorn's eyes on me, amirite? --Kels 21:38, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

re: a potential link from Mr. Norris: Susan, does the name Peter LaBarbera ring a bell? Do you remember what happened when he created a few links to Conservapedia? (Hint: a certain CP article quickly got tens of thousands of views ). Already one of the top ranked anti-atheism articles has linked to Conservapedia and I will reveal which one at an appropriate time as I do enjoy keeping people at a certain website in suspense. :)- User:Conservative/T0:Gentlemen-at-another-website Ha! Ha! Ha1 Hee! He! Hee!! Say no more! SusanG 21:32, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Isn't LaBarbera (sort of a girly name, hmm) the guy Ken was pimping in at least one page there anyway, pretty much advertising for the guy in return for a linkback? Seems if that was the deal, it would be pretty scummy of LaBarbera (but you can call him "Mary") not to do a link, hmm? Mind you, I've never heard of the guy otherwise. --Kels 21:36, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
That was the guy he was pimping. And the pageviews from his website? Oh... that was one of the Cabal doing an OSM view bump. Srry to disappoint.-αmεσ (orator) 21:37, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'm trembling with fear. Rationalwiki is one roundhouse kick away from shutting down permanently! :) --Gulik 02:13, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Mind/body revert war![edit]

Grab the popcorn, Joaquín Martínez is being cornered by PJR and DanH! (Starting with the "Present quotes as quotes." edit, also check the talk page.)

Of course, the double standard is still painfully visible: Normally, this "article" would be flat out deleted and the user banned for breaking the freaking Commandments. Buuuuut since the user is a sysop, we'll have to settle with this hilariously crippled version and a completely unpunished JM for the time being. Still, it's nice to see that sysops at least sometimes have to obey the site rules. --Sid 21:12, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I love the random chakra pic, with no context at all, or even a caption. It's wonderfully surreal. --Kels 21:14, 11 April 2008 (EDT)


hi, susanPFoster 21:29, 11 April 2008 (EDT):(see above. :-) SusanG 21:36, 11 April 2008 (EDT))

I am LOVING this. He doesn't realize that the 10,000+ views he got were the effect of Operation Smoke & Mirrors, and he thinks he's keeping us in suspense! Oh shit, I was going to watch Battlestar but now I'm just peeing myself in excitement!!!!-αmεσ (orator) 21:33, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I drank a beer and listened to music, I was so excited! And with this news, I just might do it again! (oh, and I drew a blob. I knew you'd be excited.) --Kels 21:34, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Awesome! Can you scan and upload the blob for us? If you haven't dipped into that second round of drinking a beer and listening to music, that is? humanUser talk:Human 21:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
How can I say no? --Kels 22:16, 11 April 2008 (EDT)


TO: CP historical revisionist, Peter LaBarbera (PL) linked to CP on October 15, 2007. [16] If memory serves, the second CP big internet traffic spike occurred shortly afterwords which was very largely due to the artificial inflating. Also, if memory serves the artificial traffic spiking occurred very shortly after PL's traffic came into CP. I know LaBarbera was getting a large amount of traffic due to his coverage of the Folsom fair in SanFran at the time he linked to CP. .... Ames, if memory serves and it may not, I didn't immediately announce that PL linked to CP and I did start seeing a significant bump. However, I think I might of announced he was going to link before PL actually did and he initially dragged his feet due to some unexpected delays so my lack of announcement might have been superfluous since you might have seen him link before I did. Regardless, PLs website was getting a lot of traffic around October 15, 2007 due to the pictures of the Folsom fair that he posted at his website. In addition, PLs website gets a lot of attention from the homosexual bloggers. I realize in the fog of this culture battle the truth of relative strength of the various sources of the views might forever be unknown. However, I don't think it is unreasonable to say that at least 20,000 plus views came from PLs link at the time. I do realize that given the gullibilty of the typical internet liberal the artificial traffic views caused the great bulk of the internet traffic but again 20,000 plus views from LaBarbera is not an unreasonable guess.


Ken, now I know your'e reading this. The traffic was from both the artificial bump (which may have been earlier, but it was a big bump) and widespread blog coverage erupting FROM our artifiical page bumps, commenting on how bigoted and awful your site is, drawing that inference from the page bump. The bump was from your detractors. Do you remember how to run the Google "what links here" search?-αmεσ (orator) 22:07, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Ken knows that, but he doesn't care, because he believes the delusion that more people looking for any reason means more sympathetic eyes. But in reality, people came because they were told it was bigoted, stupid, poorly written and above all, funny, and had the description confirmed when they arrived. Ken, you're not attracting sympathetic eyes who will turn away from atheism, you're showing the religious right to be foolish and actually strengethening people's conviction that atheism is a better choice. But I don't expect you to take this seriously, so keep it up with the ridiculous and hilarious updates! --Kels 22:21, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
wait, are we talking about a blob or a bump? A bump on a blob? Or a lump on a blog? Where's one of those Danish confused head things when I need it? humanUser talk:Human 22:25, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Ames Talking to Ken Again[edit]

Hello #2 to Ken - 20,000 visits to LaBarbera? Again, please use the Google search phrase that shows what's been linking to your site. It's a good proxy for who's been visiting it. And guess what? It's not supporters, and it's not people you're likely to convince. They're mocking you. And they're mocking LaBarbera. And when it comes to your homophobic diatribe, it's not without cause.-αmεσ (orator) 22:30, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

Actually, looking at the Alexa data for this LaBarbera poof's guy's site, I'd be surprised if he got 20,000 visits, let alone they all followed his link. Seriously, he makes CP look huge by comparison. --Kels 22:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

This disjoint conversation is weird! Do we have to refer all of Kenny's loony protestations of greatness? SusanG
Why doesn't Ken just talk here, like a normal person? Is he worried he'll catch some disease, so he has to keep his internet-distance? Or does he like the weird shouting into the ether vibe he's got going on? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 23:48, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
To tell the truth, he's probably assuming that his announcements and very presence would generate a less-then-pleasant reception (and that's not an unreasonable assumption). He hasn't really had a good time on RW in the past - but in our defence, it can be difficult to reply to him with civility, considering the insanity of his capers and his continuous need to announce every single one. UchihaKATON! 00:30, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
what does anyone coming on CP as a noob think? (not that there's many of those) SusanG 23:50, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I dunno, but it certainly makes Ken look like a raving lunatic right off the bat, instead of having to read all his weird articles. A great timesaver for new users. And wasn't there one sysop already who made an objection for using CP as a place to send love letters secret messages to us? --Kels 23:53, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Did Ken just admit that he used to be homosexual? "Ames, you can cry homophobia all you want but your armchair psychology is not bringing any light to the issue. I could easily cry that you have [[Ex-Homosexuals|exgayphobia]] and that it is clouding your judgment." NightFlareSpeak, mortal 23:52, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
"Peter LaBarbera" "GBS" on Google gives 8 results here! And the link he gives ("142 links") gives 44 results SusanG 23:55, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Mine reacts weird. It reads "147" at first, but when I go to the second page, it reads "45", which turns out to be the real number. Interestingly, 9 or 10 of those are LaBarbera's own site, at least a couple are CP, and some are us. Of the remainder, most of them are talking about what a nitwit LaBarbera is, and mocking him, so I guess that's the bulk of his traffic, people who think he's an idiot. And, by extension, will think CP's full of idiots for being associated with a doorknob like that. Which as we all know, is true and verifiable. --Kels 00:06, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Ranked number 5? that link gives me no 12. Remember that Google remembers your searches & biases towards your preferred sites Ken. SusanG 00:13, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Suz, I think you just probably broke his brain. I heard it here in NYC. Wow. Also, Ken, homophobia isn't a mental disorder (that's a straw man you've forced upon me) and homosexuality isn't either.αmεσ (orator) 00:15, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Awww! he's deleted it. Could it be that even he realised just how stoopid it was? (seeConservapedia:Conservative for a luverly list! SusanG 12:00, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Also, Susan & Kels - are you offended that in Ken's eyes, you're "gentlemen"? Of course, I guess that's better than being, in Andy's eyes, little more than baby factories.-αmεσ (orator) 14:27, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Being offended by Ken is kinda silly. He's such a dimwit, and possibly mentally challenged based on his perseverance, the feeling is more a pat on the head and a "there, there, of course they're all gentlemen" than anything. Although it is funny to poke him, and he comes up with some real WTF moments at times. --Kels 14:32, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't think that anything Kenny said could offend me personally! :-) SusanG 14:34, 12 April 2008 (EDT)


Who's been nasty to JM? SusanG 23:31, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I suspect he's pissed that PJR got in his way over that stupid Mind/body "article" he was copying from somewhere. Given that JM's all buddy-buddy with TK, who PJR's also been a thorn in the side of, it's pretty easy to see what's going on over at Looneyville. --Kels 23:38, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I agree. I think he's pulling a Leaving and never coming back to get Andy involved in the whole thing --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 23:41, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Andy has been pretty silent on the factionalism, so this may force his hand a bit. But speaking as someone who recently took his bat and ball and went home from here, don't be too surprised if he's back soon.PFoster 23:44, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
I'm sayin' nuthin! :) SusanG 23:46, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Whatever happens, he'll be back in a few weeks at most, count on it. The real question is what will happen with PJR. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 23:47, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
The appeasers get working. SusanG 00:14, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
EDIT WAR! No edit War! SusanG 00:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Yup, looks more and more like JM's throwing a tantrum because someone actually wanted him to follow the rules. Silly PJR, they don't count if you're a sysop. --Kels 00:29, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I love Ed Poo's 'give with one hand, take with the other' 'apology' to Whackeen. While the text is all nicey-nicey, the comment on the post is wonderfully snarky. DogP 13:50, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I think the edit summary was back moer, in a "big picture" sort of way, that the lack of standards on the wiki itself led to PJR's criticism of JM's mind/body plagiarism misapplications of refs and quotes, which JM (apparently) took to mean, "you are a horrible editor and should not be here."
I suspect that TK has been filling his inbox with how BAD PJR is...upshot...TK/JM BFF. CЯacke® 14:46, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Picky Picky Grammar lesson[edit]

"This site needs more of your contributions... not less. --Crocoite 23:44, 11 April 2008 (EDT)" Should be "... not fewer", Crocodile. Another pet peeve: as in "8 items or less" queues at Supermarkets.SusanG 00:08, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Most native speakers off English are unaware that nouns in English are either countable or uncountable, which accounts for when we use less, or fewer, much or many, etc. So some have internalized the correct usage, and others tend to use it on a more random basis. Rational Edfaith
My word, between us we give meaning to Analysis! My English usage is not the best but there are one or two misuses that really rub me up the wrong way. :-) SusanG 11:42, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

StevenM is a moron[edit]

I love his little "debate" topic, which is epic in its misperception of the law and of history. Wow. Anyways.... -αmεσ (orator) 00:40, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Okay, they got me on Murgatroyd. I just couldn't let Steve's idiocy go unanswered. But I still protest the others. Apparently we use the same proxy?-αmεσ (orator) 00:43, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I've linked to it on that Image page. SusanG 00:44, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

He really does have curly hair though. =_= Fuzzy|AFD 14:46, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Just to let everybody know[edit]

In view of the latest WIGO entry, from now on I shall be known as: Contributor at CPthanks Ed 08:35, 12 April 2008 (EDT)


I think the V For Vendetta and Third Reich comparisons have been very good - and lulzy - but I'm starting to see more and more similarities with Scientology, too. The secretiveness, the suppression, the unseen communications going on behind the scenes, the dirty tricks and smear campaigns, the ideological brainwashing, and so on. (No wonder WeirdEdMoon is a key player: his experience with his own cult stands him in good stead for creating this new cult.) Andrew now has the idea that he can even rewrite the Bible to remove the "liberal deception and hoaxes" that have been maliciously implanted within it. Oh, and remember the phone calls made to RW members places of work? That's because everybody here is Fair Game... Here is a comment from Op Clambake: "According to Scientology all critics of Scientology are criminals, that's why they are critics." Sound familiar..? Writing Assignments - heh, is that another way of saying Rehabilitation Project? I'm going to start referring to the cult-formerly-known-as-CP as the "C Org" Fox 10:35, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

What members got phone calls? I'd love if Andy rung my home number, I would debate the arse off him. I'd probably ask 'Who is John seeing these days, you hypocrytical smug evil little man' as well. MarcusCicero 10:49, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Early on, a cabal member got phone calls at his place of work. SusanG 11:16, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Andy's also, from time to time, required phone numbers and calls from bosses/teachers before he'd consider someone for nightime editing, upload rights and whatnot. There have been some recent examples I think, if you dig around. --Kels 11:17, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Mmm. that was funny(?).SusanG 11:21, 12 April 2008 (EDT)


That logo does more damage to Conservapedia's credibility than we could ever do.Shangrala 12:41, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Yeah. I stuck the thing on the list about it as I pulled up good old CP and was kind of shocked by it's poke-you-eyes-out red-neckery. Not sure if it's been around for a while though (because I haven't) so it might be old news. RedDog 12:49, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
"Spinning the truth" is the first thing that came to mind. Bunchanumbers 13:09, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

So maybe it would look better with some nice lens flare? --Kels 13:55, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Or a fill, top left → bottom right, with RGB(000000) :) SusanG 14:02, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Now why is the CP text "transparent"? I can only really see the "Cons a".
*laughs* Nicely noted SusanG. ^_^ Fuzzy|AFD 14:40, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
I like how there's more of the "back" of the logo than the front. Sterilexx 14:46, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
There's less nudity on the "back". =_= Fuzzy|AFD 14:49, 12 April 2008 (EDT) Making corny jokes 24/6
I'm also somewhat confused by the camouflage-ish text of the logo. But the more I think about it, the more it fits: CP itself tries to hide its own agenda by claiming that they represent Good Old America and that it's a Trustworthy Encyclopedia. It's a very similar form of camouflage when you look at it that way. --Sid 16:22, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
It was uploaded 2/24, but only made its embarrassing main page news section debut recently. I actually think it's pretty good work, although I'd prefer a continuous 360 degree rotation. I like the "camo" letters, their drop-shading is pretty cool. While the flag on the back is "backwards", well, the "other side" of every damn flag is usually backwards.
Oh, and what a waste of talent and effort! humanUser talk:Human 19:57, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
And! Doh... when the logo is "backwards", you can see the part of the "C" that sticks out - but not the "a" on the other end! humanUser talk:Human 19:58, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh, and also, later tonight when I am deep in my cups, I will make a special WIGO with brainz faggots adaptation of this animatron. humanUser talk:Human 20:04, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

For people that dislike "liberals" burning the flag the fact that their own logo is in violation of Section 8(g) of the US Flag Code suprises me. [17] 3.14159 00:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

In fairness, it appears that nobody takes any notice of that code. It says eg, not to be used as part of a sports uniform, but see [18]/[19] high profile teams, I'm guessing many other teams have similar. Fox 11:23, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Oh, but at least one sysop (Karajou) DOES care, or at least pretends to. There was this news entry months ago where a soldier stole U.S. and Mexico flags from a pole and refused to give them back (The Mexico flag was above the U.S. flag against the code but kookoojou conveniently forgot to mention that stealing is also against the law). NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:10, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Obviously Kowardjou was educted in public school. --Kels 19:52, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Liberal values...[edit]

...was deleted. Does anyone wonder why? Wasn't it one of the big pet aritcles?-αmεσ (orator) 13:44, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Because it implies that liberals could have any "values" at all, as opposed to merely being self-centered, sinful, deceitful tools of Satan? UchihaKATON! 14:44, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
I dunno. Does anyone have a log of it? Bohdan, buddy, could you look at the deleted file and give us the text :-)-αmεσ (orator) 14:47, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Andy's just going through and deleting this guy's contributions so he can have more justification for his block.Shangrala 16:09, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Learn Together[edit]

I remember two "too liberal" candidates for Sysop and/or Night Editing. One was the unlucky Helpjazz, was the other one Learn Together? Did he get his Sysopship because "less liberal" than Helpjazz? Will Helpjazz finally find something more meaningful in life? Contributor at CPthanks Ed 16:05, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Think this had anything to do with JM's "departure"? Though I can't understand why he still hasn't given Helpjazz his edit rights if he thinks Learn together deserves sysop status. He has disagreed with Andy before, right?
Anyhow, ignoring the injustice IMO this is a good step for Andy an the future of CP. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 16:12, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
I expect he got it because he helped Andy beat up on Tom Moore over the quotes from Andy's mom. He's also been doing some more CP-esque blocks and stuff lately, so Andy likes him more now. --Kels 16:15, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Those quotes, siding with Andy on the adulteress story, siding with andy on categories. Those are the three recent bits I can think of. --Shagie 17:52, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
I'm somewhat surprised, actually. Then again, Andy likes people who confirm how great he is while at the same time looking away whenever sysops behave like total fucktards (or even better: kicking the victims while they're down the setting them on fire). So it's no wonder that LT's recent wave of sucking up in every way possible earned him more rights. Compare to HelpJazz, who still has a sort of... how should I say it... conscience. --Sid 16:16, 12 April 2008 (EDT)


Re WIGO: "A first-year PhD student has better credentials than most evolutionists." - makes no sense whatsoever. The linked edit by assfly is saying that the "evolutionist" Nick Matzke, a critic of Sternberg's, has less qualifications (than Sternberg's two PhDs - I thought that PhDs were only liberal deceit, I must be wrong). It does not say what the WIGO entry says. We should comment it out. humanUser talk:Human 19:39, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I haven't seen the WIGO link but I did see this first hand:
You lost credibility with your first two sentences. "Robert" is not a "typo" for "Richard". That mistake shows that the author is clueless about the person he is writing about. When that person is the main point of the essay, it shouldn't be taken seriously. I challenge you to find that kind of mistake about the subject of an important entry here. I doubt you can, even though we don't have paid editors like SA.
Richard Sternberg is far better trained and more scientific than his critics. He has two Ph.D's, while most of his critics are hucksters like Richard Dawkins who can't even be accurate on his own resume.--Aschlafly 20:37, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
And in case that's too ambiguous:
"Most promoters of evolution and censors of ID are less qualified than Sternberg. I doubt any of them hold two Ph.D's, and few are capable of the extraordinarily high quality of work and presentations that Sternberg gives. I encourage you to attend one of his talks. I have and found them to be at the highest intellectual level.--Aschlafly 21:45, 11 April 2008 (EDT)"
[20] NightFlareSpeak, mortal 19:53, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
None of those quotes back up what the WIGO item says. The WIGO item is simply backwards, AKA wrong.
here's the quote in the link:
"Murray, your statement that you "don't know who Sternberg's critics are" is an example of deliberate ignorance. In less than one minute I found on the internet several critics of Sternberg, such as Nick Matzke. His credentials? He holds a masters degree in geology and is trying to obtain a doctorate, as of last fall. In general, the promoters of evolution have credentials inferior to Sternberg's. Feign deliberate ignorance all you like, but simple use of Google confirms it."
humanUser talk:Human 20:03, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Ahh, I see now where the issue is. Yeah, its probably better to comment it out. Its a shame, it just became an entry in the Liberal Denial thing. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 20:13, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa. Mea Maxima Culpa....I read it wrong - I thought Assfly was holding Matzke (the first-year PhD) as an example of a qualified critic of evolutions. Sorry for the mess. Move along, nothing to see here. PFoster 01:31, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Any Relation?[edit]

Wonder who HelpJizzlulz is! SusanG 21:59, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Well he didn't last long ! SusanG 22:01, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Red Letter Christians[edit]

Seems to have been one of several (at least 2!) by one editor Mrb seee also:Cp & Wp versions of Habitat for Humanity. SusanG 22:24, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Get It While It's Hot[edit]

Welshman takes offense at Ed's snotty revert of his talk page and returns with a fairly comprehensive parting shot of his own. Any bets what the response to his accusations will be? Psygremlin 12:40, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Update - Blocked. Lying (cowardly) Ed decided not to respond to the accusations. Amazing how Welshman saw it coming "Will you respond, or hide behind a shield of "personal remarks"? Block reason - 'Personal Remarks' and now everything is deleted. They make me sick. Psygremlin 14:46, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Looks like TomMoore got the "personal remarks" treatment too, although the closest I can see is him saying "Godspeed" to Welshman, and the stuff on his user page. More Lyin' Ed protecting TK's "honour"? --Kels 14:52, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Say, wasn't Ed the one who when he started at CP was singing the praises of short, to the point blocks, sometimes even a few seconds? He seems to have gotten pretty accustomed to the "go away forever" blocks his fellow sysops hand out like candy since then. --Kels 14:54, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

He returns and calls Ed out. Somebody want to grab it, before it vanishes down the hole? Psygremlin 05:49, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Argh! Too late - Kajagoogoo leaps to the asylum's rescue, deleting and blocking... have to love the irony - take it up with Assfly - how exactly, when you've just blocked him until kingdom come? 06:20, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Not really WIGO-worthy...[edit]

Especially since I totally blew it yesterday with the evolutionist credentials thing...but you know, you don't see many arguments that start by evoking Godwin's Law. I can only imagine how badly downhill it will go from there...PFoster 13:01, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

That's funny, because it ties right into what we hit an edit conflict with. That's actually just the title of the opinion piece they linked to. SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 13:06, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Breaking "News"[edit]

this is just a general observation, but when did the breaking news says section simply become a reposting forum for various right wing blogs... I mean, when they started they tried to post some legit news item just with Andy's personal spin... Now they just dump these crazy blog postings on the front page, often just posting the title of the piece as their headline... It's amazing... How long until they just shut the damn thing down and Andy gets sent away for a long long time? SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 13:03, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

That change dates from Crocoite's ascension, and it's been going down ever since.-αmεσ (orator) 13:04, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
(ec)It's Crocodile; His only recreation is surfing luverly fascist websites and stroking his fluffy white pussy cat while muttering "the filthy communists are out to get us!" :) SusanG 13:09, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Better late than never[edit]

How long has CP been running? Over a year and NOW they realise that there's such a thing as copyright and intellectual property! SusanG 13:16, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm amused that it was written by Lyin' Ed, who spent all that energy defending TK's plagiarism. --Kels 13:20, 13 April 2008 (EDT)


Apparently I am.-αmεσ (orator) 15:02, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Damn your irrepressable New York lawyer values! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:05, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Apparently I'm a harassment issue! TheRealAmesG was me, I have to admit. Tweaking Kookoo=fun.-αmεσ (orator) 15:09, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I think I've figured out why the false positives lately. The iPhone EDGE network IPs all take the form of "" - I've used my iPhone on CP before, so I guess not only are all New Yorkers me, but all iPhone users are me.-αmεσ (orator) 15:14, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

"We are AnonyAmes. We are legion." --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:17, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
God created the Ames and the Ames and the Ames and the Ames and the .... Sterilexx 15:20, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Message to Karajou, if you read this - I'm tired of the phony legal threats and the false accusations. I know my rights, and I know yours, and we haven't violated yours, so shit or get off the pot.-αmεσ (orator) 15:23, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I am not you. DogP 15:24, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
"I am not you" is exactly what that troublemaking liar would say. Don't make me harass you.-αmεσ (orator) 15:27, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
I am SPARTACUS SPARTACUS 15:28, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
You should sue yourself for harrassment. You could get rich! Maybe. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:31, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
trust this isn't Ames. :-) Susan talk (if you must) 15:37, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Actually that one is.-αmεσ (orator) 15:39, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Okay, the block message was awesome. But that's a test to see how long it takes Kookoo to react.-αmεσ (orator) 15:42, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

A Midsummer Night's Dream[edit]

They can't have a full list of characters, since that wouldn't be family friendly. --Kels 15:09, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

That whole play is a disgusting kettle of depravity. I saw it put on by the Simmons "theatrical club" wimminz, my friend played Oberon. Puck was hot, and the two of them managed to get some hilarious shenanigans out of some pretty good stage chemistry. CP should deny the play's existence. humanUser talk:Human sometime this afternoon
Maybe Andy can excise the liberal bias from Romeo and Juliet, and take out the bit with the two servants making dirty jokes about the maid. --Kels 18:37, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Not to mention the pre-marital nookie. PFoster 18:50, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
And the rampant placement bias of suicide. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:11, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Ed Poor Needs a Sedative[edit]

Seriously, the man has lost his mind.... He was round the bend to begin with, but he has finally lapped himself. I can't believe anyone still considers this "man" (in the loosest sense of the term) to do anything.... To sum it all up, paraphrasing the words of George Carlin: "Some people are stupid...Some people are full shit... and some are just Fucking NUTS... (ED POOR) is all three: STUPID, FULL OF SHIT, AND FUCKING NUTS." SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 17:11, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Minor spllgn WIGO[edit]

There will be no further contribles here! DogP 18:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Trouble with Tribbles! SusanG  ContribsTalk 19:24, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Open season at cp[edit]

!!!— Unsigned, by: AmesG / talk / contribs

OK, Who's Gent? It must be one of us: quote:(he's referring to rational<!---------> unquote SusanG  ContribsTalk 19:54, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Its Ames or somebody pretending to be him (look at his edits in Karajou) Anyhow, it staid in the main page's talk for more than an hour even when one of the edit comments gave it away. You should go trying for the Insane Finland Duck bonus. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 20:23, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
FeebasFactor edits the main page talk while it was being deleted. Execution pending. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 21:02, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

It was totally me, and it took them frakin forever to block me! Hence open season!-αmεσ (orator) 21:33, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

St. John's[edit]

Wtf? Anyone local can get there to see what the fuss is? Ames, aren't you in NY? humanUser talk:Human 19:58, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Like Andy will give out any details until it's over. He doesn't want the public to go, and especially not the sort of people who read CP. Then there'd be a chance he'd be challenged, and that would blow his image. --Kels 20:09, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
There is a earlier news story about Drew University which is also scant on detail. Is Andy going around talking to univerity students? If so why not advertise it to get more people? Unless Kels is right and doesn't want anyone to ask him questions. This again highlights the fundamental problem of Conservapedia in that it tries to imitate Wikipedia, whilst allowing none of the openness that made it so large because Andy is afraid of losing control. 3.14159 20:16, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
I suspect Andy is going around talking to very specific, small on-campus nutjob clubs. Everyone they want there knows about it, no one else needs to. There was one at Columbia (?) a few weeks ago, but it got "infiltrated" (ie, the sane found out about it). That talk was about boobie cancer and pre-emptive parasite extraction. humanUser talk:Human 20:39, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

Human, the one that got infiltrated was Princeton - that was where the woman who used our info on Schlafly used it to pwn him. I'd have gone to the St John's one if I'd found out where the hell it was. Queens campus, probably, but that's like an hour and a half away - not going unless I know where, and if I'll get in :-/-αmεσ (orator) 21:34, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

That's right, Princeton. You expect me to remember this shite? Yeah, pity we can't somehow organize visits/protests of all teh assfly's public embarrassments - including his grocery shopping trips. I wonder if kettle of fish would risk ferreting out the assflock's itinerary? humanUser talk:Human 21:54, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
I feel loathe asking him that, especially if it's public that we might do so; he'd get in trouble for it. Though don't think I hadn't thought of that. Sigh. Keep in mind that AS referred, at some point, to a "controversial public event" by/featuring his homeschoolers ~ we'll HAVE to do that. I'll be there for sure.-αmεσ (orator) 21:57, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I wish he'd come to Denver....I would love to get a shot at him.... Maybe I'd add him to the pied list :) :) SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 22:23, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I know the guy who got Jean Chretien. Only world leader to get pied while still in office! --Kels 22:40, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
Our PM got tomato ketchup'ed a few years ago. Almost as good! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 05:56, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I wish I could shake the hands of the guys who almost got Ann Coulter.... What was really funny was that she ran in fear, screaming like a little girl... but then goes on Fox News pretending to be brave SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 22:53, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
I think he only goes to places in driving distance. He left sometime between last night and this morning (EST). And didn't I also hear that Grandma Phyllis did a talk too (at Notre Dame perhaps)? How come no one was at that one? =_= Fuzzy|AFD 23:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
I don't know if it's creepy or cute that you call her Grandma Phyllis. humanUser talk:Human 16:56, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I only say that because I keep messing up with how old she is. (I keep saying that she's Phyllie's mother, yea..). T_T Fuzzy|AFD 22:38, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Interesting. Andy "improved" the St. Johns article stating they have this fantastic pro-"life" group, but no official pro-choice group. However, a look through the website for the college doesn't reveal an official anti-abortion group at all, unless it's the one named "CAUSE", which I can't figure out what they are. However, there is an official group named "Women's Issues Now" which strikes me would be quite concerned with pro-choice issues. Although of course it's hard to tell, since a lot of anti-choice groups use deceit to make it look like they're pro-woman. Anyone who's got better researching skills wanna take a crack at it? --Kels 23:11, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

I really wish he would come to the University of Utah.... Pinto's5150 Talk 00:49, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I really wish he would fuck off. DogP 04:14, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Seconded. humanUser talk:Human 16:56, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Where's your lulz then? SusanG  ContribsTalk 16:59, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

So did anyone find out if the Fetus Fetishist's Club is actually an official student group? I don't think it actually is, which makes his comment really bizarre. --Kels 19:58, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Ed the Ekunomyst[edit]

Clearly, Lyin' Ed thinks sub-prime is a sandwich with all the trimmings. Psygremlin 10:23, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

I love the mixed metaphor of a bubble collapsing! RedDog 11:08, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I'm guessing his mortgages are all fine and paid off. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:19, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Can you mortgage a bunker? SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:29, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I would assume so, if you can find an understanding lender. Actually, there was an old Titan missile silo for sale last year for about $1.5 million. That's about what a nice somewhat-fancy villa or city apartment costs around here... --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:37, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
"Slight lowering of prices"? Values have dropped so far in places people are upside-down on their mortgage. Shades of the Bush 1 recession, when people who were current on their mortgages lost their houses becuase they no longer had the required equity (they'd get letters demanding payments of 20-30k to re-establish equity). Ed's a tool. As far as that Titan silo - what an awesome bunker that would make! Just build some nice sunrooms above ground to make it more pleasant to hang out at. Does it come with scary big red key-switches? humanUser talk:Human 16:59, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
We've had pictures over here of people camping in what used to be their front yards, with their house boarded up behind them. The people who caused it are sitting pretty on their bonuses! SusanG  ContribsTalk 17:08, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Does it come with scary big red key-switches? lol . . . it takes three people and permission from the commander in chief to operate the garage door opener. 20:09, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

LOL! Thank you - that just made my day! Just on that - didn't the Powers That Be find an LSD lab operating from a disused missile silo a few years ago? Seems to ring a bell. Psygremlin 06:09, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Toronto isn't in the US[edit]

Very true, but let me tell you there was holy hell raised at the absolute nerve of a team outside the US (although composed at the time almost entirely of American ringers) should win the "World" Series. To most in the US, the name is little more than a figleaf for their game, and it was personally offensive that a team located in Canada should win. The second win wasn't nearly such a big deal, and they haven't gotten that far since. --Kels 10:29, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

No one really cared that Toronto won. BeermasterGeneral 12:41, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
That's not what the news said! --Kels 16:42, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Once Quebec secedes from Canada, the rest of Canada will be bought by Microsoft so that they can get a seat on the UN and another vote at ISO. This purchase will be supported by the Federal Reserve in an attempt to bring up the dollar and infuse the American economy with much needed Canadian Tire money. Teenage males will be disappointed that all of the mythical Canadian girlfriends are now American (unless for some reason you want to go to Quebec and get disapproving looks for not speaking French). Its only a matter of time before Toronto is part of the US. Enjoy your poutine while it is still legal. --Shagie 16:52, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Eh, the Red Sox won the WS with three Dominican starters (OK, one was a pitcher, but still). Half the NL/AL these days aren't from the US. Blue skies ahead, though - look for Japan to get integrated (a third league?) into the system over the next decade or so. (follow the money?) Add in a Latin League and the only people not involved would be, well, the ones that don't care. humanUser talk:Human 17:02, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Generally speaking, I'm in the latter group. --Kels 17:17, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
See? Then you're all set! humanUser talk:Human 18:22, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Kels - once again you have been taken in by the Liberal Media! BeermasterGeneral 07:50, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Why should I listen to anyone who drinks American beer? --Kels 09:32, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
There are people who care? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:46, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Seriously though, no one in the US was upset that a Canadian team won. More people get upset if the Yankess win. BeermasterGeneral 13:01, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Technical question[edit]

Do Conservapedians know when one clicks on a link from RW to CP? How does this work? If we click on a link from RW, will they be mad at us? --JayJay4Ever??? 11:05, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

We almost certainly show up as a referring site in their logs, but they'd probably have to dig fairly deep in the logs to identify individual users coming there from us. Even then, they'd only get the IP address. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:15, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
I'm fairly sure that if we thought clicking on a CP link got them mad, the decibel level all around the world would increase to the sound of RationalWiki Mouses clicking. SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:31, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Initiate Operation Click That Link at once! Although all we'd be doing is inflate their "Conservapedia has had over 9000 billion page views" main page crap. :( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:39, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Schlafly has admitted that we are one of their highest if not the highest referral sites. 11:49, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Many ratwikians can't seem to stay away from CP, always in search of more lulz and a yet more insane WIGO. Sort of like the morbid fascination that leads one to look at those closeups of athlete's foot in anti-fungus ointment ads. Maybe we need a 12-point program like CP Anonymous. "Sorry, can't make it, I have my CPA meeting." Rational Edfaith 13:03, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Another would-be homeschoolee[edit]

Would this count as another e*ample of conservapedia's delusions concerning some genius or the other being homeschooled? Is there some where where these events are recorded?[21]

Angband 17:09, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Sure looks like it. They keep their treasure trove at CP:homeskolling, I think. humanUser talk:Human 17:28, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
My favorite part of their whole homeschooling argument is when they talk about someone being homeschooled "until the age of six or seven." In other words - until first grade. Or that someone "learned to read at home." I know I learned to read at home before going to school - isn't that sort of the norm? PFoster 17:32, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
(I've started a list at a sub page SusanG  ContribsTalk 17:43, 14 April 2008 (EDT))
Moved to: Conservapedia:Homeschooler list - let's get to work! (ha!) humanUser talk:Human 21:29, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Hmmm, maybe we need a similar "Conservapedia:Not a professor" article. So far it's only Dawkins and Obama, but once Lolcandy gets his wisdom teeth deep into a tasty cud, he usually keeps on chewing... humanUser talk:Human 21:30, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't forget his list of liberal politicians who become professors (undeservedly, in Andy's eyes) in the professor values article.--WJThomas 21:42, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, yeah. It's an odd thing, in the USA. When the GOP are out of power, the pols go work at big companies and amass millions. When Dems are out of power, they become "professors" so they are broke the next time they get into office... humanUser talk:Human 21:51, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm beginning to think that Andy is physically incapable of saying anything non-insulting about anyone he thinks is Liberal. --Gulik 00:12, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

The poor boy must have been hurt very deeply during his encounters with intelligent, rational liberals. Rational Edevidence 09:27, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
Nah, he has just been very effectively brainwashed since birth by his mom, that liberals are teh ebul and conservative values (her version, of course - social first, all else second) are the only supportable, useful ones, that will save western civ. from the ebul libs. humanUser talk:Human 11:26, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Sorry for running off like that- 5 o' clock in the U.S is 10 o'clock where I live, and I had go as it was late.Angband 13:28, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Third (or so) person[edit]

Apparently, Aschwipe's new meme is referring to himself in the third person, by the title of "Conservapedia", as in the "broken news" headlines about "Conservapedia"'s mysterious appearances and presents.

One has to wonder why he promotes the events on his blog's main page if they are some kind of pretend-private affairs? Does the mob, as I do, think he knows who would show up if they knew the details? And, surely, these groups "Conservapedia" is invited to be a guest of would welcome more attendees, even to the point of having to move their baby-saving soirees to a larger venue? humanUser talk:Human 19:40, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Even beyond that, why doesn't he even say what he's going to be talking about? He just does these coy, "there'll be a talk somewhere, tee hee" announcements without any meat at all to them. If he's appearing in an official capacity on behalf of CP, as his announcement above suggests, then wouldn't it make sense to at least let CP know what they're getting into? Or is Andy slipping into "I am the state" mode? --Kels 19:53, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Didn't this also happen with the whole "Conservapedians at this demo" and the mysterious "Conservapedians at a debate" picture? Those items look even more cryptic than Ken's "A site I shall not mention might feature CP's Atheism article soon next week in April in mid-April!" announcements. And those who ask questions promptly get banned or interrogated by Karajou. Brilliant! --Sid 20:03, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Little Andy is such a child. Rational Edevidence 09:28, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Would this be fourth person or sixth? Talking about yourself as another entity in the third person would be sixth person right (3*2)? --Edgerunner76...and a hotplate! 11:02, 15 April 2008 (EDT)

Andy gets the royal "we" confused with his little "wee-wee" (See penis) and often doesn't know whether he is referring to himself in the third person or his little man in the second. Both prosper under moderate amounts of friction. Sorry. We can all vomit now.
@Edgerunner, I was obliquely referring to a wonderful WIGO of old, titled "Andy: One, two, many" when he had a list of four items on his crit. thinking in math page, preceded by describing them as "three". Remember, this man is seriously arithmetically impaired in so many ways, although he is fairly sure that 2+2=4. Not so convinced of the inverse-square law (for force over distance), though. humanUser talk:Human 11:29, 15 April 2008 (EDT)


I think it's high time to accept the fact that SteveM is a parodist, and as such, his actions should not be included on WIGO. ThunderkatzHo! 21:48, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

I think it's high time to accept the fact that Conservapedia is a parody, and as such, CP:WIGO shoudl be abandoned. humanUser talk:Human 21:50, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
Oppose, on the grounds of Poe's Law (though that clearly doesn't apply to my accusation against SteveM). ThunderkatzHo! 22:05, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

You really think he's a parodist?? My multiple socks encountered resistance when arguing with him.-αmεσ (orator) 22:59, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

Actually, I rescind that comment. Reviewing his edits, he seems to be almost sincere. I'm not saying for sure that he's real, but I can't say for sure that he's not. Either way, the WIGO item about slavery should be removed since he's "claimed" that he was only being Devil's Advocate (and I'd like to think we're nice enough to give him the benefit of the doubt). ThunderkatzHo! 23:40, 14 April 2008 (EDT)
"Playing Devil's Advocate" is a bullsh*t excuse for fail unless stated at the outset of the debate. Fox 04:04, 15 April 2008 (EDT)


I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh hysterically at that Pants article. After the wandalism that Debs failed to fix, the state the article has ended up in is even funnier. What a Trustworthy Encyclopedia! What a bunch of fucking nitwits. DogP 22:27, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

[22]. Argument won.. Fuzzy|AFD 22:42, 14 April 2008 (EDT)