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Okay, this "news" item is a bit weird. Given that the author describes CP thusly:

Convention speakers included Phyllis Schlafly, noted opponent of feminism and the United Nations, and her son Andy, who gained fame as the creator of "Conservapedia," a right wing imitation of Wikipedia that denounces evolution, gay people, and liberals.

Um...isn't that exactly what CP is? --Kels 21:20, 28 February 2008 (EST)

I think it's the rest of the article he objects to. But he really should be thankful for the free publicity. Or has it finally occurred to him that any publicity brings 10 times as many vandals and parodists as legit contributors? DickTurpis 21:25, 28 February 2008 (EST)
The headline specifies its "Conservapedia" what they're smearing. It probably was the word "imitation" the thing they didn't like. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 21:29, 28 February 2008 (EST)
I think you're giving him too much credit for rational thought. The article maligns everyone who took part, including his mom, McCain, and Conservapedia, because Andy is Conservapedia. DickTurpis 21:38, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Far as I can see, all the article says about the Dragon Lady is she was a speaker, and not much else. As to McCain, Andy doesn't seem to like him much either, probably since St. McCain stops short of actually executing immigrants and gays. --Kels 21:49, 28 February 2008 (EST)
Don't forget that McCain has committed lese majeste' against God-Emperor Dubyah in the past. The best explanation I'm heard so far for how the far-right feels about McCain is "Imagine Joe Lieberman somehow ending up being the Democratic candidate for President." --SockOfGulik 16:36, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Actually, "right wing imitation of Wikipedia" is smearing Wikipedia. ;) --Sid 03:15, 29 February 2008 (EST)

When is a Parody Not a Parody?[edit]

I can (almost) sympathize with the dilemma Andy and his henchmen have got themselves into. They have to make judgement calls and delete articles they agree with because there is the outside chance that they are parodies. But how can they tell the difference? PoorEd 10:35, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Their mistake (Andy's) was creating articles that stepped over Poe's line themselves. After that, all bets were off. humanUser talk:Human 14:49, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I don't think CP should worry about whether or not an article was created by a psrodist. If it represents their view, it doesn't technically matter who wrote it, I think. (Terrible ironic, wouldn't you say?) ŖєuĻєReuleauxTriangle.pnguxsay wнäτ? 15:57, 29 February 2008 (EST)


I was going to activate a sock to get involved in that debate - but then I realised "It's Churchill." If the homeschoolerz want to take responsibility for a racsit, imperialist, classist, sexist pig like that, they're welcome to him...PFoster 11:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Hey, nobody's perfect! 12:31, 29 February 2008 (EST)
But ... Hee! Hee! It's like watching a road crash in slow motion. SusanThe Earth Moved 11:23, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I just noticed the section above it on the humskoool talkpage: Kenny's laundry list of superfluous articles he demands others write for him. Only Our L'il Guy could possibly believe that there is a need for separate articles on "Homeschooling Materials" and "Homeschooling Supplies" (not to mention Resources and Software). DickTurpis 11:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Also see: Crocodile's lists of Mormon people etc. SusanThe Earth Moved 11:41, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Does this list of mormons involve Adolf Hitler and other famous retroactive mormons? --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 11:51, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Andy's last response has two distinct hilarious portions. First, he says "This provides no detail on Churchill's schooling between ages 8 and 14..." Except the preceding part starts with, "At eight he was sent to a boarding-school at Ascot." Once again, reading not his biggest talent. Second, he says it reads like a gossip magazine. Obviously, nearly all of the pages about "liberals" on CP read like a gossip magazine. But the entry is from the "Oxford Dictionary of National Biography". Does anyone really think that Oxford Dictionary is going to put out an article that sounds like a gossip magazine? Ri-friggin-diculous. --Jdellaro 11:54, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Don't worry, Andy has a better source! It's The Internet! DickTurpis 12:26, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Ssssh! don't mention your sources "2 hours! Banhammer" with a promise of more next time! SusanThe Earth Moved 13:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I always find it—how to say?—stupid when homeschooling proponents try to lay claim to an uber-upper-class (descendant of the Spencer family!) "homeschooled" person as one of their own. When really rich people homeschool their children, the parents almost never do it themselves. They hire a professional to do it, with real qualifications—none of the amateur teaching crap like what most of the homeschooling proponents do. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 14:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Yah... Andy's a tool. His little list only has a handful of people educated after 1900. Most of his examples had no access to "public schools" whatsoever. And his "arguments" re: Churchill are just hand-wavy randomness. humanUser talk:Human 15:10, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Yes, it's a very Miss Cleo-ish argument: "Somebody somewhere said something that vaguely resembles my point, so there!" --Sid 15:22, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Seems they got a new category started, People Who Were Educated At Home. Never mind, not so new!--Jdellaro 15:14, 29 February 2008 (EST)

DAMN! Pwned by PJR--Jdellaro 15:18, 29 February 2008 (EST)

The reply: I handwave, therefore I am. It's really Dawkins all over again, and a nice model of how Creationism/ID tries to weasel its way into classrooms: "I assert that there are unexplained gaps! Thus, these gaps exist and are very important! And the only conclusion is that I'm right!" --Sid 15:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Yes, but. No, but. Yes, but. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 15:38, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Very apt GK but I'm afraid it'll be lost on the Murkans. :) SusanThe Earth Moved 15:40, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Hey, I am homeschooled! As almost all kids in the country where I grew up, I went to school at 7 (not counting kindergarten and pre-school), and I had already learnt to read and write at home. I feel as smart as Churchill. Леушка(Editor at CP) 15:43, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Hey, me too! It's incredible how easy to understand things become when we have Andy to explain them! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:47, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Me too!!! I discovered I was homeschooled because 1) My parents taught me some things and 2) I am partly self-educated and learn on my own! One thing I see reading some of these sources is the desire to make hsing look "good" by making these endless lists of people who ever learned anything outside of a public school, rather than lists of famous people who were raised by "their" kind of homeschooling. Which makes me worry about the quality of the educatin' they are giving their kids. humanUser talk:Human 16:15, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I was reading well before school. But I must have been 'upper class' because we used to have cucumber sandwiches so I dsuppose that doesn't count (A cucumber (cucumis sativus) is a fruit of the gourd family, high in water content and with a very mild flavour.[1] It is commonly eaten in salad, and, amongst the British upper classes, in cucumber sandwiches.) SusanThe Earth Moved 16:41, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I was homeschooled until the age of five then I went to primary school. Although I was intermittently at secondary school and university, for the last thirty five years I have been homeschooled. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 17:13, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Koba yells at Andy SusanThe Earth Moved 17:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)


Another suicidal editor attacks. SusanThe Earth Moved 11:54, 29 February 2008 (EST)

It took Assfly less than one minute to swoop in and make the world safe for morons once more. --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 11:57, 29 February 2008 (EST)
and then. followed by BAnhammer! SusanThe Earth Moved 11:59, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I really wish ESP did exist. That way we could communicate with them and tell them to come here. : ) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:02, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Are you absolutely sure that they're not here already? SusanThe Earth Moved 15:41, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Nope. I'm terrible at cross-wiki sock-detecting. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:48, 29 February 2008 (EST)


Well that didn't take long (but he's not been Hammered yet!) SusanThe Earth Moved 12:35, 29 February 2008 (EST)


Yay *blows party streamer* UchihaKATON! 15:21, 29 February 2008 (EST) So... how did he do it? UchihaKATON! 15:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Bohdan is a first-gen sysop. I guess he got de-sysop'd when he left or became idle (or whatever he did); so now that he's back full-time, he most likely just asked Andy for it. Plus maybe some fearmongering about those nasty RW people overrunning the site if he doesn't have powers :P --Sid 15:25, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Dear God. Because Bohdan's head just wasn't fat enough... --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:33, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Bohdan left because he couldn't stand the pressure. However, strangely enough there is no record in his edit history of saying good-bye. And I distinctly remember him posting it. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 15:39, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Between then and now, I think both Andy's talk page and the Main Page talk page got nuked at least once. *checks* Here it is! --Sid 15:48, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I didn't ask for anything. It was quite a surprise. TmtamesP 15:51, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Gee, maybe a bureaucrat "post" is what you're really shooting for? CЯacke® 16:06, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Be sure to get an official appointment letter. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:45, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Scotland's Really Old[edit]

According to CP's Scotland article the country has existed for some 4000+ years longer than the whole rest of the world.
(Here's the relevant extract:

Scotland has been inhabited since at least 8500BC, when the first Mesolithic hunter-gatherers are thought to have migrated to Scotland. These inhabitants showed advanced knowledge of astronomy, creating several Stonehenge-like monuments.

oops!) Quick, someone tell PJR. SusanThe Earth Moved 16:02, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Susan! I've told you before about letting them know about parody. WIGO is for highlighting their stupidity. Now I'll have to put on my CPAdmin1 hat and go and change it. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 16:27, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Wow, that'd make it... a Land Before Time! ;) --Sid 16:30, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Sorry GK (I thought you were Karajou!) SusanThe Earth Moved 16:31, 29 February 2008 (EST)
What? I thought I was Karajou? Imposter! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:42, 29 February 2008 (EST)
No, I'm only Karajou when we have Village People parties. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 16:48, 29 February 2008 (EST)

And ... it's back SusanThe Earth Moved 23:29, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Guard Dog is back[edit]

A real vandal got blocked this time. I wonder if someone really reviews the blocks and edits of all those who get in the dog's teeth. Леушка(Editor at CP) 16:47, 29 February 2008 (EST)


Not sure what the point of the WP comment is - I clicked the link, and of course they have a big ole article on the book. Is it that they didn't bother with the word itself? I tried earlier to comment out that part but got EC'd so I didn't bother trying again... humanUser talk:Human 16:53, 29 February 2008 (EST)

From what I gathered, that was the point of the WP link, yes. There is a deletion log entry for "Brisingr" from before the book title was officially announced, so I guess that it had previously been for the word, but that's non-Lulzy speculation and too long/complicated for a WIGO entry sidenote, I think. --Sid 18:03, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Quality lulz[edit]

Seriously, this one actually did make me laugh out loud. :DDDDD --Kels 17:17, 29 February 2008 (EST)

I really don't know if this is Poe's law at work or not. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 17:27, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Hissssssssssssss. — Unsigned, by: the snake / talk / contribs


He's at the espresso again. This really isn't a categorization improvement. Not at all. Not unless you're Orthodox Jewish, anyway. DogP 17:21, 29 February 2008 (EST)

The whole thing is utterly bananas. I'm just waiting for one of them to wake up and smell the coffee sewage. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 17:29, 29 February 2008 (EST)

It's going to be interesting to watch. Soon, if not already, he's going to push at the boundaries of Andy's tolerance for, ahem, non-Christians. That's going to be an interesting banination. DogP 18:03, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Thank goodness, someone's paying attention. We're just doing our best to ensure you have an excellent encyclopedia folks! 19:38, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Angelina Jolie[edit]

What's the big deal with her being a UN Goodwill Ambassador? I thought they hated the UN! Anything for a cheap jibe I guess. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 18:17, 29 February 2008 (EST)


I might be a little cynical but I shudder to imagine what Crocodile's going to do with this. SusanThe Earth Moved 18:31, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Put it on the front page of CP, of course. humanUser talk:Human 19:32, 29 February 2008 (EST)

CP math[edit]

2 + 2 != 5 but 61 = 0! SusanThe Earth Moved 18:46, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Where? (and is that zero factorial, or are you just glad to see me?) humanUser talk:Human 19:43, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Its the number of court cases claimed v the number in the category WIGO top. (& we're almost anhour into St Dave's day!) SusanThe Earth Moved 19:49, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Ah, yes, thanks, I found it. And check your recent changes :) Daylight Savings confuses my transatlantic math. I think. humanUser talk:Human 19:57, 29 February 2008 (EST)
What gets me is that the empty category is what Andy Pandy links to while bragging about his 61 stubs quality entries. --Kels 19:59, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Yeah, what's up with that? I kan haz Andy Drugs pleez? humanUser talk:Human 01:43, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Writing Homework[edit]

Has anyone realy looked at the Writing Homework? Rest assured it's all even handed and unbiased:

  1. One
  2. ("Two" links to "One"!)
  3. Three
  4. Four

Iz verrrry amuzing. (correct the previous sentence in writing)

Now write a 500 word essay on "Why Andrew Schlafly is a Wazzock". SusanThe Earth Moved 21:00, 29 February 2008 (EST)

Yeah, no leading questions there, lol. It's supposed to be about writing style, but what do you want to bet he's grading for ideology, too? --Kels 21:27, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I have this theory: there's absolutely no-one out there doing these homeworks & he's putting up a shopfront to gull possible future homeskollars parents - a sort of demonstration dummy. SusanThe Earth Moved 21:48, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Hell, I'll make a sock, be a good little conservative, and insert one or two examples that Andy wouldn't approve of. Then he'll grade me poorly, and we can make a mockery of that ridiculous thing he calls cp:Liberal grading. --Hojidie! 21:53, 29 February 2008 (EST)
He doesn't have to grade you, you'll be too blocked for him to care. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 22:05, 29 February 2008 (EST)
In Homework Four, there appears to be a mix-up between the Part A (grammer, spellin & punctuashun) and Part B (Essay topics):
4. Describe what you think is the most persuasive parable in the Gospels, and why, and why it should persuade the reader of your essay.
There are a few others as well such as Homework One #6. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 03:28, 1 March 2008 (EST)
"5. It’s time to abolish the United Nations and all forms of global government." I love that he doesn't even give the student a choice on this one. Barikada 04:03, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Does Andrew get an F for "technical correctness" on Homework #3 for writing this, "(2) what you liked or what have written differently." Perhaps you meant, "WOULD have written differently"? Moron!--Jdellaro 10:13, 1 March 2008 (EST)


TerryH's new article is GOOD! (but there is nothing about its age (surely more than 6000 years) or its origin (Abracadabra and the finger of god?)) SusanThe Earth Moved 21:58, 29 February 2008 (EST)

"some authorities suggest an apparent age of 30 million Julian years" so he does mention the age. Of course having to paraphrase everything to avoid accustaions of plagiarism means that most of the writing is crap ("with a 50-km-deep subterranean ocean deep to this.") Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 03:46, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Give it time. Maybe Ken will make a Homosexuality and Europa article, or something about how "Europa" sounds like "Euro" and that's commie! --Kels 22:00, 29 February 2008 (EST)
Mmm... I hadn't considered Europan Liberals either. SusanThe Earth Moved 22:04, 29 February 2008 (EST)
I'm stunned. It's not even plagiarized. Dare we call this a first? Do we WIGO triumphs of Conservapedia? Who knows?-αmεσ (historian) 01:23, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Actually, their Eleanor of Aquitaine article is pretty good, too, as I recall. At least judging it from my meage knowledge from The Lion in Winter and "corrections" from my historian ex. humanUser talk:Human 01:28, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Hey, there are some good articles there, I know 'cos it was me what wrote them. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 03:49, 1 March 2008 (EST)


Ok folks, you caught me... I'm the real person behind the kooky character on conservapedia named "ChrisWa" who thinks that all homosexuals should be killed. This isn't a vandalism project for me... it's more like a social experiment to see just how extreme someone can be on conservapedia without being revealed as a vandal or freaking everyone out... Looks like I was at least half successful.

Anyhoo, for the record, I love Rational wiki, my name isn't chris, I'm a raving liberal, and my (second) best friend is gay. So hi everyone, sorry to burst your bubble about the latest conservative crap on conservapedia.

Right now I'm writing an essay "Why I am a Dominionist: Embracing the Christofascist label" to post and see what kind of reactions i get.

``` NoIdea831

I knew it! I suspected it after you made the Liberal Christianity article. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 02:46, 1 March 2008 (EST)

NoIdea - I feel like I should apologise to you when (as Aboganza) I called you out on teh Assfly's talk page - I was hoping to get a reaction out of him...PFoster 10:32, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Ha, so that was a rational wiki user! I should have viewed your user page... unless of course you are undercover. Anyway, apology accepted. This place is so much more- ehh- human than conservapedia and i love it!

Well, this is embarrassing. A little bird told me that Mrb is a crypto-rational-wiki user. Mrb did some editing on Liberal Christianity, took note of ChrisWa's work, and then signed out thusly:


KAL 007[edit]

Why is this one of the most edited articles? SusanThe Earth Moved 10:33, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Probably trying to tweak it so St. Ronnie would look better. --Kels 10:30, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Because KAL007 is to right-wing nut jobs what 911 is to white college kids who wear keffiyas and read nothing but Norman Finkelstein - proof of a vast conspiracy. Some of them even believe that the Russians are still holding people from the flight prisoner...PFoster

I have to wonder... what was it that caused the collapse of the SU? Was it Ronnie's speech a decade earlier? KAL 007? The US having atomic bombs? Really... Barikada 16:32, 1 March 2008 (EST)

From their perspective, I mean. Barikada 00:16, 2 March 2008 (EST)

I present to you exibit A and exibit B. Lurker 19:15, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Eggsellent Lurker - at least he's a specialist - kajagoogo's nose will be somewhat out of joint! Susanpurrrrr 19:18, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Yeah. Not such a big secret. PFoster 19:19, 2 March 2008 (EST)
I didn't say it was. Susan asked the question and nobody else gave a real answer, so I thought I'd help out. Lurker 19:22, 2 March 2008 (EST)
!. Sorry for the snark - I blame hangover, 2. Sorry for removing Susan's lovely words to you. I blame wiki phail. and hangover. peace. PFoster 19:26, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Hee hee, all is well. Lurker 20:54, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Not surprising at all, but there's absolutely no page at all for Iran Air Flight 655


cp:United_Kingdom_Independence_Party = wp:United_Kingdom_Independence_Party SusanThe Earth Moved 11:09, 1 March 2008 (EST)

But oh dear, there's red links SusanThe Earth Moved 11:11, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Whee - that was quick Well read BrianCo! SusanThe Earth Moved 11:14, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Brian - you're superb SusanThe Earth Moved 11:16, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Theory of evilutionism[edit]

Beware the Ides of March! It looks like Mr Conpervative is blowing his own horn again.  Lily Thank you very much! 14:05, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Seriously, how complicated is it for Ken to say "I changed the article because...". Doesn't he already know? --Kels 14:09, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Heh! just put it on WIGO as it was appearing here! SusanThe Earth Moved 14:10, 1 March 2008 (EST)
NostraConservadamus at his best! I love his "Something will happen, but I won't tell what!" posts. Including the "A leading website has linked to my CP's article, but I won't say which one!" ones. --Sid 14:11, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Is it still locked? Can we make the "significant thing" be that we rearrange it in to an artistic ascii picture of Darwin anally violating our dear friend Ken? --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 14:15, 1 March 2008 (EST)
It's not "violation" if you love teh buttsehks.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Do I look like I care? 15:48, 1 March 2008 (EST)
But will the prophet be recognised in his own country? or will Andy stamp on his front page grabbing? SusanThe Earth Moved 14:18, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Andy's been in a decidedly Googlegasmic mood lately, so he'll most likely leave it be. But I'd like to see one of the sysops poking him for not contributing much to CP mainspace lately (and even when he does so, it's basically only to his pet articles). Seriously, one of these days, somebody has to realize that Conservative doesn't give a damn about CP and uses it simply as a hosting service for his propaganda. --Sid 14:21, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Has nobody noticed the full date of the headline? Not just March 15th...but March 15, 2006!!! --Jdellaro 14:25, 1 March 2008 (EST)

...AHAHAHAHAHA-*falls off his chair* --Sid 14:27, 1 March 2008 (EST)
HAAAA!HAAAAA!! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Hee heee hee SusanThe Earth Moved 14:29, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Hi-Larious. Just how far in the past d'ya reckon old man DeMeyer is living? 150 years perchance? --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 14:37, 1 March 2008 (EST)
I'm sending you an email in 5 minutes!  Lily Thank you very much! 14:44, 1 March 2008 (EST)
Yo, Terminator KD, step up to the stand and show the people what time it is, boyeeee! --JeɚvsYour signature uses all my CPU time... 14:49, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Also, note that he is now invading the userspace of others, as well as his own. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

This is bloody brilliant. Barikada 00:19, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Hey, chilluns, keep in mind that if you don't provide difflinks, others have no idea what the hell you are talking about. </whine> humanUser talk:Human 01:26, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Hm, nice trick: "Here are examples of fields where humans assume that a human designed/created something and look for patterns/design. Hence, they use Intelligent Design techniques, and thus, Intelligent Design is used in science!" --Sid 06:48, 2 March 2008 (EST)
This quote might have something to do with Ken's excitement.  Lily Thank you very much! 08:33, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Ugh. Didn't the other sysops tell Conservative to stop his Special Deals? --Sid 08:54, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Perhaps he's not making deals. Perhaps he really can see the future. ... Or he's batshit insane. Barikada 19:39, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Liberals are Monsters[edit]

At least, according to PissPoor: — Unsigned, by: Fretfulporpentine / talk / contribs

Dear God, Ed's joining the "Hate liberals!" vibe... excuse me while I add this to WIGO... it deserves a place in the list. --Sid 09:05, 2 March 2008 (EST)
It's not without a certain irony that they use a quote from a Communist author like Hammett in this context. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 12:11, 2 March 2008 (EST)

New gay plague[edit]

I can't find a diff or hist from the pre-renaming version of the article that shows the old article title? Is there no way to do that once an article has been moved? Sorry, it makes that WIGO less clear, hence the appended note. DogP 12:03, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Try the Move Log.  Lily Thank you very much! 12:55, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Nah, I believe this or that is what you're looking fer. CЯacke® 12:58, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Poor old persecuted Crocodile[edit]

The croc thinks vandalism is persecution. Come round my patch croc; I'll show you what persecution really is! (sorry is that a bit naughty?) SusanThe Earth Moved 12:08, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Only if he enjoys it. (Yeah, I'm avoiding (art) work, too) --Kels 14:15, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Wow, that persecution article is badly wrotted. I almost hit "edit" to fix it up but... I'll have to wait until 2013. Oh well. humanUser talk:Human 16:05, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Huckabee fan?[edit]

Another new editor suicides by telling the truth about Huckabee. SusanThe Earth Moved 12:46, 2 March 2008 (EST)


Rubber Band say no more! (yes, I am trying to avoid work) Susanpurrrrr 13:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)

Competition for Ken?[edit]

cp:User:JDAtherton/Homosexuality is at least partially copied word for word from here naughty? Susanpurrrrr 18:44, 2 March 2008 (EST)

It looks like the military forum post was originally copied from Ken's article anyway. If you check the talk page JDA wants to edit the locked article and BrianCO told him to do it in his personal userspace. Why this was posted on a military forum seems a bit odd as most of the replies are if not exactly pro-gay then "oh not again". But certainly he seems to have similar phobes as Ken.  Lily Thank you very much! 19:03, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Haha, that entire thread is just one massive wall of copypasta. I wonder if anyone would really notice if I repeatedly copied and pasted this all over the thread. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
Probably not... it looks like a bunch of people shouting past each other rather than a discussion. humanUser talk:Human 20:45, 2 March 2008 (EST)
Sort of off subject, but this comment is priceless (scroll down a bit). --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 14:44, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I also resent the comment by 1stSgtD0811 that 1st sergeants are airbags. My father was most certainly not an airbag. 1stSgtD0811 may be an airbag, but 1st sergeants are not. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 14:49, 3 March 2008 (EST)

re-reading the conservative movie list...[edit]

...Anyone find it strange that Bruce Almighty is on there? After all, Morgan Freeman portrayed the liberals' very own affirmative action god. And we know from the old Obama article that no black man has ever held such a high office as president, let alone gawd him/her/itself. Something doesn't seem right here. --BillOhannitygodvelocity. 23:25, 2 March 2008 (EST)

If memory serves, wasn't the protagonist also rather... vain? And sinful? Attempting to get into his girlfriend's pants before marriage and whatnot... Yes, this surely is a conservative movie. Barikada 00:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Even Gawd got where he is today because of affirmative action. It is a good thing we stand up white bread guys like Andy out there to pick up the slack when the big guy or Jesus let us down . . . . Sheesh is too lazy to log in

Marching Arm-in-Arm![edit]

Ed's copy is beginning to sound like Soviet propaganda! Before you know it they'll be calling each other "comrade"... PoorEd 10:28, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Ooh, please Sir! Look at me, I'm writing a new article Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 11:09, 3 March 2008 (EST)
"Nation building is "the idea of invading and occupying a land afflicted by dictatorship or civil war and turning it into a democracy."" Oh no. Oh, dear God, no. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 11:21, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Er no: that's called Imperialism or some such. Isn't it? Susanpurrrrr 11:39, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Imperialism is what the losers call it. Exasperate me!Sheesh!I said what? 12:44, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Them, and liberal sissies who think nation building is actually a question of building stable government institutions, a lasting civil society, promoting new political cultures, and such. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 12:53, 3 March 2008 (EST)
It's not "imperialism". It's helping nations help themselves. It's, er, creative destruction. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:19, 3 March 2008 (EST)
wp:Catharsis on the macro-scale? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:55, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Main Page Nonsense[edit]

CP claims that Earth is the only known planet in the solar system that can support life. Unless they know something we don't it is actually the only planet known to support life. Not that anyone on the site would understand the difference... PoorEd 10:53, 3 March 2008 (EST)

As much as I like to laugh at them for being stupid, I think that's right. Maybe I'm missing a nuance in their writing style but I don't know of another planet in our solar system that supports life. Jrssr5 14:42, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Yes, but do you "know" that none of the other planets supports life? Last I checked, it is still an open question. PoorEd 15:06, 3 March 2008 (EST)
It's not a huge mistake, but they did phrase it poorly. "The only known planet in the solar system..." implies that there might be other planets in the solar system which support life, only we haven't found them yet. I don't think that's what they mean. "The only planet in the solar system known to..." says, correctly, that as far as we know no other planets support life. What they probably want to say is that it's the only planet to support life, period. That's Andy's take, and I'm surprised to see anything else given an credence, to be honest. DickTurpis 15:16, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Maybe it's only something an ex-English teacher would notice. It's either careless use of language or just plaing wrong, but I don't know which. PoorEd 15:20, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Grammar never was my strong subject. Me fail english, that's unpossible! Jrssr5 15:23, 3 March 2008 (EST)
The correct wording would be, "The Earth is the only planet known to support life," implying that there is no other life on any planet in the universe, which is, as far as we know, true. 15:25, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Well, given that the entry was made by a Mexican (Joaquin) we shouldn't be to harsh as most native English speakers can't get this right. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 15:30, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Although, since the statement is less one of science than ideology, I'm not feeling all that forgiving. 15:38, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I hate to be a stickler about this, but "the Earth is the only planet known to support life" does not imply that there is no other planet that supports life. It indicates quite clearly and unambiguously that as far as we know, the Earth is the only planet that supports life. It leaves open the possibility that we will discover life on other planets. PoorEd 17:17, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Actually there is an additional point as CP says "The Earth is the only known planet... which can support life". We may quibble about the "known" bit but who can adjudicate on the ability of life to survive on other planets. There is a difference between the ability to support life and the actual existence of life. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 17:32, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Right, but the link shows the words used on CP's main pages are: "The Earth is the only known planet in our Solar System which can support life." And the syntax seems unwieldy, I think it'd parse better as: "The Earth is the only planet KNOWN to be capable of supporting life (as we know it)." Limiting it to our solar system doesn't really change much as we weren't really certain there WERE other planets (outside of our solar system) until a few years ago." CЯacke® 17:34, 3 March 2008 (EST)
And to think that if we weren't all banned there, we could have simply improved the entry there! humanUser talk:Human 19:20, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Wigo Limit[edit]

Is there a 255 limit on the voting numbers for Wigo? Cause we'll be up to it in about a week. :) Susanpurrrrr 12:03, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Oh btw: don't click on a vote arrow while in preview - it really upsets the system :-) Susanpurrrrr
Don't worry, one of our uber admins will work his magic soon to archive the rest of February or so. :) --Sid 12:47, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I archived and listed the new BoC but I do not know HOW to reset the WIGO tabulator! CЯacke® 15:54, 3 March 2008 (EST)
We need to get Trent to figure out a way to allow someone else (at least) a way to do it for when he is too busy or away from his keyboard. We're screwed if he pulls a Colin on us! humanUser talk:Human 19:22, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I can do it. Susanpurrrrr 19:46, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Anyone can. 'll put commented out instructions @ the head of section #1 Gimme ten minutes. Susanpurrrrr 19:49, 3 March 2008 (EST)
more long winded than I thought: see here for my suggestion. Susanpurrrrr 21:08, 3 March 2008 (EST)
It's actually not that simple (even though most of the instructions are correct and well worded). The killer is the last step where we're supposed to start at "1" again once we hit the top. For example, adding a {{wigo|80=blah|70=blah}} to the WIGO page (outside the normal WIGO template, of course) and hitting "Preview" shows that "#80" still has a "1" vote while "#70" still has a "14" vote, even though both numbers aren't officially in use anymore. That's why we're all crying for TMT: He has the power of actually resetting those votes for us. --Sid 21:29, 3 March 2008 (EST)
AH - SORRY :( Susanpurrrrr 21:32, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I've looked all over & I can't find that we've got <poll>. as an extension. There's 2 versions on Meta but one's in dutch & t'other doesn't seem to be what he's used. As you surmised they both dump data to the database so access would be needed to amend the totals - BUGGER! Susanpurrrrr 21:58, 3 March 2008 (EST)
No need to apologize - the rest of the instructions is mighty fine, and we should definitely keep them around for later. :) And I believe that our poll system is a special, home-made one. Bugger, indeed (even though it gets the job done nicely) XD --Sid 22:01, 3 March 2008 (EST)
It's not as simple as an extension. Trent buggered cobbled it up by making several incompatible programs fight over it with each other. As such it requires root access to reset the accumulated votes to zero. I hope he figures out a way to share that "key" (the reset button, not root access) with a few other people so we don't go through this every couple hundred WIGOs. humanUser talk:Human 22:51, 3 March 2008 (EST)

I am at a conference right now in Utah with limited/time internet. I get back wed evening so can do it then or on thursday. The ultimate goal is to have this process from the ground up performed by an automated bot....there are several problems at the moment in the coding of the extension that make it impossible. The extension is loosely based on code pulled from other extensions but has been substantially altered by yours truly. So yea thats where we stand. tmtoulouse frustrate 22:52, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Wow, they have teh intertubes in Utah? Next you'll be telling us they have indoor plumbing and 'lectricity! CЯacke® 23:42, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Hey, hey, hey, not cool, not all of us are backwater hillbillies. Pinto's5150 Talk 23:58, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Karajou's potato incident[edit]

This may not be such a simple C&P (I never realised that before CP=C&P!) job as it first appears. Karajou's article acknowledges that it is taken from a US gov site but doesn't cite the original source. However, the potato incident is not included in that piece. The CP potato incident is a paraphrase of the paragraph from WP but apparently contains some errors. Karajou says the sub's gun was 5-inch but the eye-witness reference in WP says 3-inch, WP does not mention the size. Also the sub may have been sunk by depth charges not necessarily because the conning tower was flooded. WP says the conning tower was destroyed while Karajou and the eye witness source say damaged. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 16:13, 3 March 2008 (EST)

When I first read it I thought it was a spoof: Irish named ship: "O'Bannon" indeed, and that well known Irish staple potatoes. Susanpurrrrr 22:13, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Update - Kajagoogoo gets called out.
You can't call me for plagiarising 'cause you weren't on the replacement vessel!!!!!!!!!!
R.I.P. SSchultz, you were too sane for your CP account's health. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 22:57, 4 March 2008 (EST) Someone with a spare sock should advertise to him at once
WE'll have to co-ordinate CpP watchinga bit better! :) Susanpurrrrr 23:02, 4 March 2008 (EST)


Kitefox gets a warning for this. Hee! Hee! Susanpurrrrr 22:19, 3 March 2008 (EST) (I'm not WIGOing trivia until we get the WIGO poll/renumbering etc sorted out. Susanpurrrrr

He was probably warned because of his poor grammar; the plural of genital is genitalia, not genitals.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Do I look like I care? 22:26, 3 March 2008 (EST)
Susan, it's only up to about 120. Just keep going "up", there's plenty of room. humanUser talk:Human 22:53, 3 March 2008 (EST)
I suppose it's just that I don't think other people's sense of lulz is the same as mine so I do't like to clutter the space up. Susanpurrrrr 23:01, 3 March 2008 (EST)
One way or another it's still getting added, though, eh? At least on WIGO 1) people can play at voting and 2) it ends up in best of or WIGO archive, not lost in talk... Really, except for general "Andy's gotten even more insane" commentary, all the cp links to silliness should end up in WIGO. Discussion here is then about them. Not that any of these things I just said are "rules" or than anyone would agree with me ;) humanUser talk:Human 23:07, 3 March 2008 (EST)


Will the real Ben Schumin please stand up. Susanpurrrrr 22:45, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Andy on prayer[edit]

Andy's at it again on school prayer. Now what's always struck me as weird (well, stupid) about the argument he always uses is his pity for the poor teacher not being able to preach his beliefs. He doesn't say anything about the students. "If I'm a teacher, and I want to start class with a prayer, I'm not allowed to" is basically his stump speech. Nothing about the students; all about him. Does he really think that the purpose of a school is to cater to the needs of the teachers? Is he really so unaware that in any job there will be restrictions on things you can say while at work? A teacher is censored if he wants to comment on the sweet ass of one of his students, or teach that Satan is the only path to truth, or, for that matter, teach that 2 + 2 = 5. All of that is still protected speech under the constitution, but good luck trying to do do any of those things in any workplace. He doesn't seem too anxious to cry censorship if someone wants to say a prayer to Satan. You can bet that if they suddenly allow school prayer, I'll be back in the classroom doing just that. DickTurpis 23:24, 3 March 2008 (EST)

Wow. Read it. Vomited. Read it again. Vomited. -- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Do I look like I care? 23:32, 3 March 2008 (EST)

It always fascinates me that they complain about liberals wanting a "nanny state", but then want state-run schools to act as babysitters and teach morality they should have learned at home. --Kels 23:35, 3 March 2008 (EST)

The bare link - it's getting down & dirty now. PJR's taking on all comers. Susanpurrrrr 00:16, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Do you think they'd be as enthusiastic if the teacher in question was Muslim or Hindu or something? Strangely, I'm inclined to doubt it. --Gulik 03:05, 4 March 2008 (EST)
I think Gulik has raised the most pertinent point here - atheists are not the main reason for the banning of school prayer; it is the contitutional prohibition against any government institution favoring one religion over another. In any particular classroom we could have Jewish, Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist, Jain, Sihk, Shintoh and other religions represented among the student body, and they should not be subjected to a classroom prayer "in Jesus' name". I note that, as usual, CP ignored the fact that there are other religions practiced in the US, and that no one suggested giving equal time to the others. If someone did suggest that, they'd be off on a "we are a Christian nation" binge in complete ignorance of the US constitution. PoorEd 12:52, 4 March 2008 (EST)
For Andy, the "equal time" is a non-issue, as his concern is solely the poor oppressed teacher. Andy, being the most self-centered person on the planet, can't see beyond his own perspective, so the only scenario he can envision is a teacher (Christian, obviously) who isn't allowed to lead his class in a Christian prayer. There's no equal time because there is only one teacher who has only one religion. There's no "censorship" of other perspectives because there are no others; the religious views of the students don't matter. DickTurpis 13:05, 4 March 2008 (EST)


No matter what the rights & wrongs of school prayer, what sort of god is it they've got that is pleased (flattered?) by constant sycophantic worship by the likes of Andy et al.? Susanpurrrrr 17:09, 4 March 2008 (EST)

What a grade-A dick. As an aside, I notice he's beginning to drop all pretenses of objectivity at this point. UchihaKATON! 18:05, 4 March 2008 (EST)
I like Andy's water in a desert thing. If there's water in a desert, it's not a desert. If there's prayer in a classroom, it's not a classroom. Thanks, Andy! Barikada 18:09, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Six years makes you a "veteran teacher"? Wow, I bet he's a veteran lawyer, too! And Ken, PJR and TerryH can be veteran creationists! --Sid 18:23, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Wow! I'm a veteran university student! That's crazy! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 18:29, 4 March 2008 (EST)

That whole debate caused me to vomit on my shoes. Then I pissed myself laughing after Andy quote mined my own comment! MetcalfeM 19:57, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Anyway, it's nonchristian to pray in public.[edit]

Matthew, Chapter 6, Verses 5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are; for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men ... But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou has shut thy door, pray to they Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly." --Gulik 00:08, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Nice one Gulik. Now all we've got to do is get someone to put that to him! Susanpurrrrr 00:10, 5 March 2008 (EST)

I am afraid of what Andy does alone in his closet... Oh Lord I am Praying to you... Jesus, I am cumming... Ok I am now going to have nightmares for that.--TimS 00:12, 5 March 2008 (EST)

"God!! You've got a dirrrty mind!" Susanpurrrrr 00:15, 5 March 2008 (EST)
Andy has been a bad, bad boy and must be punished. Shall we all chip in to hire a top-class d-trix for an evening for him? humanUser talk:Human 00:19, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Good thing I never mentioned what the homeschollers were doing...--TimS 00:20, 5 March 2008 (EST)

Ed is a retard[edit]

I can't believe this guy was ever a respected editor at Wikipedia. How can anyone even pretend to call this an encyclopedia article? It's a rant by some idiot, giving nothing but what he clearly states is his own opinion. I need to find a way around my blocked ip so I can add a few parodies along these lines over there. DickTurpis 02:08, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Try your local library? Most of them allow web browsing these days. (Or did they block your entire state?) --Gulik 03:08, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Ed was an early arrival at WP and, like most wikis, attained a position of authority because of it. Quite how respected he was is a different matter, as he has been involved with several disputes and a look at his user page shows that a lot of his articles are AfD - see all those warnining icons. Also he was nominated for the village stocks and criticised for tag bombing. As a matter of interest if you type Ed Poor in WP mainspace it now redirects to Grumman. A certain Edmund Ward Poor started Grumman but the very first post on the Ed Poor article was made by Ed Poor and the Edmund Ward Poor article now also redirects to Grumman. The edit history of Edmund Ward Poor shows a post by Ed "My only claim to fame: gramps co-founded Grumman". One of gramps sons was also called Edmund so is Uncle Ed actually Ed Poor III? Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 04:24, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Checking wp:Charles Lane Poor, and its talk and history pages, that would indeed seem to be the case. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 18:33, 4 March 2008 (EST) may have a few proxies left that we haven't all socked out. DogP 12:41, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Free Finland![edit]

Time to start in on those reindeer and Nokia phones (oh and Finnish/Soviet history) now that Danny boy has released it from its 1 day protection. Susanpurrrrr 02:32, 4 March 2008 (EST)

I'll keep a tight watch on it though. :-D Леушка(Editor at CP) 03:40, 4 March 2008 (EST)
A lot of people keep going for the big points, I admire the courage. 3.14159 03:51, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Oh man, that UC article is a good one! We need to put in a link to it somewhere - perhaps under ELs at conservapedia? humanUser talk:Human 14:57, 4 March 2008 (EST)


Anybody know what Dan was burying here? Susanpurrrrr 04:15, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Yes, I do. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 06:47, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Quote Mining[edit]

I found it quite surprising that CP's article on quote mining seemed to be relatively "fair and balanced". So trust Andy to come along and remove the liberal bias. Bondurant 09:10, 4 March 2008 (EST)

Actually, now that I re-read my comment, I find it more surprising that an article on quote mining should be allowed to exist on CP at all. But now of course, it's used to bash those pesky evilutionists rather than the practise of quote mining.
And perhaps someone needs to go to all of Andy's Liberal X articles and mention that the terms were made up by CP and do not exist in any dictionary? Bondurant 09:14, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Of course the article "quote mining" exists on CP! How else is Andy supposed to whitewash it? ;) --Sid 10:08, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Oh my! Someone is cruisin' for a heap o' trouble... DickTurpis 11:15, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Cue the emergency namedropping! --Sid 11:37, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Apparently all liberals who use legalese are me. So everyone knows, this is probably the fourth time Andy's sounded the AmesG alarm. I look forward to seeing the reply.-αmεσ (historian) 12:00, 4 March 2008 (EST)
I note a "thanks" instead of a "godspeed". Does someone have the codebook for the difference between the two? PoorEd 13:17, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Well, Andy is probably by now familiar with this game (kindly pointed out to us above; I hadn't seen it before), and if you look at the bottom of the scoring section, you'll see a bonus 500 points for a "godspeed" from Andy. There's a chance he's cutting back for that reason. It does seem he's using it less. DickTurpis 13:24, 4 March 2008 (EST)
Behaviour modificationat at its finest! That suggests a new game... PoorEd 13:34, 4 March 2008 (EST)

It appears my alter ego is gone for a day :-( He was fun to watch in class.-αmεσ (historian) 17:07, 4 March 2008 (EST)

I think we should create a section for epic players of the game. I nominate me.-αmεσ (historian) 17:11, 4 March 2008 (EST)