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New Voting extension[edit]

I have finished work (as far as I can tell) on a new version of the wigo voting extension. When I made the one currently in use my knowledge of how to program and deal with mediawiki was in its infancy. I have sense learned a lot more and think I have created something without the many faults of the current system. The new system no longer relies on the voting template which will be a huge relief on our CPU cycles, also we are no longer caped on how many votes we can hold, and by simply adjusting the labels the system can be used for voting on anything so all the other "what is going on" type articles can have their own vote system. Finally, there is no need to truncate the database to allow for more voting. This means we can store the vote results even after they have been archived which will allow for some new fun things such as maybe sorting "best of" by number of votes. Anyway here is how the new extension works:

<vote poll=wigoX>Wigo text goes here</vote>

The "poll" is the label for the vote, simply replace X with whatever number is next on the list this can go up to the hundreds of millions so we have a while till we have to worry. To use this on pages other than wigo simply change the "wigo" to something for that page. Questions? Comments? tmtoulouse oppress 11:19, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm a little confused. So we need to use a new page now? Or this will overwrite the old one? Could you give a link? Or I being stupid? Ashamed.gifCheers.--Bobbing up 11:27, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
You are a GOD! CЯacke®
No need for a new page Bob, just need to start using the new format and depreciate the old format. However, for some reason the two extensions are not playing nice with each other when on the same page so I need to figure out whats going on there... tmtoulouse oppress 11:35, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Okay fixed the conflict between the extensions, and I have changed the format on the last WIGO entry, future entries should follow the new format. And I am close to a God, yes, just not quiet there yet. The omniscient thing seems easy, its that omnipotent thing that throws me for a loop. tmtoulouse oppress 11:50, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
As you can see I uncommented the new, improved coding scheme simply because people won't notice until they've tried to add content under the old convention and will be mad because "no-one told me to LOOK" for the new instructions. In a week it'll be old hat and we can re-comment it. CЯacke® 12:16, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Nice work, Trent! The instant portability is an awesome feature, too. Just think of the possibilities... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:16, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Bug reports[edit]

I see the most recent wigo with the arrows above/below each other instead of side by side... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:17, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Yea me too, I will look into it. tmtoulouse oppress 19:18, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
It was table formatting issues, I think it should be fixed now. tmtoulouse oppress 20:28, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Seems ok, but then again, you did comment out the only one I saw it on ;) Working fine at my private poll, too... ħumanUser talk:Human 20:53, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Both of the new items I posted are doing the same thing.... Is there something special we have to do to stop that from happening? SirChuckBPenguin Knight, First Class 21:02, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
See Human's talk page - I'm getting teh same. SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:12, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

CP is so boring[edit]

Nothing is happening.......not with a bang but a whimper...... tmtoulouse oppress 23:10, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Boycott time? 3.14159 (not signed in)
It is not even worth boycotting anymore.......the dreaded "what happens when CP dies" stage of RW may actually be happening. I have seen the forecasts of doom and gloom for CP many times and always discounted them but there seems to be a systemic rot at that place like never before. It seems even the mediawiki software itself is rotting with random failures to load. tmtoulouse oppress 23:15, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
I find myself getting excited when someone like conservative or KooKoo shows up to edit because they gotta do something stupid, and when Andy actually shows up I am elated. I have been getting my CP "lulz" now from the Wikipedia thread on Ed's adminship..... tmtoulouse oppress 23:20, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
That's one way to stop everyone from hating them. Boring all of their opponents to death. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 23:32, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Post-Conservapedia is always going to be a problem. There is plenty more crap out there but we have lost to important things; a one stop shop for all our fundies needs and a little loss of a sense of community as our favourite laughs source disappears. 23:39, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
You're neglecting the festering option. I started a wiki at work over two years ago now that I used for a while then it died for a while. somebody else picked it up and then it died again for while. Now the whole staff uses it and it is edited daily. Some of the content that I added two years ago is still viable. CP could similarly go into hibernation only to spring back when some fundie-looney gets a wild hair of jesus up their ass. Meanwhile all that awful content can just sit there waiting to turn stomaches, corrupt minds and confirm biases. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:34, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't know, I keep hoping that maybe 8 years of *other than conservative fundie freaks* heading our government might make the day-to-day fundi freaks a bit less active. My gay friends have left a nice big closet empty, that our fundi friends can hid in!--WaitingforGodot 12:52, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
If Obama gets elected, expect to see CP and similar right-wing nut sites zoom back into high gear. Nothing fuels political fervor like the sweet, sweet feel of persecution. --Gulik 15:55, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

We could try to extract that $1000 from Gene Ray. --λινυσ() 12:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Complete joke[edit]

Ok not sure if this is the right place to put this but how long until naked mole rat made into a complete joke? I know I had to read it just to see if it would be a parody --BoredCPer 00:36, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Aspire seems to be producing a bundle of random articles. tmtoulouse oppress 00:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I'd improve it for 1200 pointzes, but I don't have night editing rights :( ħumanUser talk:Human 01:39, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Haha I almost said it should be worth extra points but I hate to ask people to burn a user name (and a few thousand IPs more then likely) when I won't :) --BoredCPer 01:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Haha... I actually can edit CP with this user name. I somehow became unblocked, user and IP... I would have edited the article, but as I said, Andy is asleep, so I can't. No privs, probably will never get them. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:57, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Kokaju and Wisdom89[edit]

So he banhammered wisdom for things down outside of CP. Does anyone know what they are and are they from here?--TimS 09:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

No, it was Wisdom's "oppose" vote against Ed's nomination for admin at WP. --Jdellaro 09:58, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It wasn't merely for the "oppose" but the comments...Oppose - User has manifested bias in the past as pointed out in 3B. Too much drama. We don't need anymore sysops like that. Wisdom89 (T / . C) 21:13, 17 July 2008 (UTC) The edit summary for the block indicated "Indimidating behavior/harassment (which, in CP-speak means "he spoke his mind on a wiki where we couldn't block him...but we can block him [or at least the same username] here." CЯacke® 10:08, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
KevinM has just called him out on his block.I'm guessing it'll only end in tears... for KevinM... one MYOB block coming right up. --PsygremlinWhut? 12:37, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I honestly don't think KevinM is seriously interested in CP anymore. From what I remember, whenever he started editing, he got blocked for something, and that doesn't even factor in all the times the Guard Dog attacked him for fixing double redirects or reverting vandalism. Stuff like that tends to kill off your motivation (which he apparently had at one point, like when he made those "Encyclopedists" articles). --Sid 13:10, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh, it gets better at WP! NorsemanWassail! 13:12, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
WTF, since when does Kara have a WP account? Oh, he just made it to support Ed. How cute. --Sid 13:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
He made just one edit: to support Ed's nomination. It was striked out with subtext saying he's made too little contribution to be counted as a valid vote. Owned. NorsemanWassail! 13:21, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Now Karajou has his own infinite ban on wikipedia for being a single purpose account. --Shagie 17:20, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Damn, that block message should have read "Violated the 90/10 rule against talk, talk, talk" or something like that! ;) --Sid 19:30, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, I'm gonna go argue against his block, he caused no real harm to WP... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:47, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
No, the block comment should've been "User will not return EXCEPT UNDER JIMBO WALE'S PLEASURE". NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 21:52, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Hey tmtoulouse, care to tell (or provide links to) the FBI\letters to your university story? I'd love to know story. Bjones 13:53, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

An open offer to Conservapedia[edit]

Currently your website is completely foobar. About 50-70 percent of non-cached queries time out before completion. This makes the site difficult to read and I am sure (as many have reported) extremely frustrating to edit. Are you trying to fix this? Do you have one of your techies looking into to it? Can they not figure it out? I am making an open offer to help you fix your damn site or offer support to anyone attempting to do so, but for FSM's sake do something. tmtoulouse oppress 11:47, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Why would they accept help from you? You heathen, believing in the FSM and all.--TimS 12:32, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I've offered to help them in the past. Apparently I don't merit a response. --λινυσ() 12:43, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Your expectation of a response demonstrates your close-mindedness and lack of logic. Allow me to explain it for you. You are an editor at RW, ergo you are a liberal, ergo everything you say is full of deceit, ergo your offer to "help" is really an offer to infect all of our computers with viruses that will crash Conservapedia, addict my homeshoolers to heroin, give my children autism and my wife breast cancer. We are not fooled by your kind here. Expect to hear from the FBI regarding your nefarious plot. Godspeed.
"This makes the site difficult to read" - yer not kidding. I can't remember when I last SAW a CP page, and I'm filled with the warm glow of happiness when I continuously see "Failed to open page". HHDF 5FGG A9SS HD32 KLFN MMZ8 YY7N HGHT 02GS UU41 HHDB NCOX WD3S 1DSL DogP 14:51, 18 July 2008 (EDT)


There's a new WIGO thing concerning Ed's Wikipedia nomination thing, but it won't display. I don't want to touch it for fear of my frequently occurring of spontaneous combustion. (i.e. Midas' Touch of DOOOOOOM!) so I'll leave it up to whoever to fix so I can add new stuff. NorsemanWassail! 13:06, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it had been commented out on purpose. Check the "Ed...." section a good bit further up (it's above some "older" sections, so it's easy to miss) --Sid 13:14, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
In short, it was put up, but then commented out as some people over at WP expressed concerns it was 'canvassing'. Zmidponk 14:27, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Ah, I understand now. Yes, we wouldn't want to 'canvass'... even though it sounds like aiming a flashlight what a spotlight is already pointing at. NorsemanWassail! 17:45, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Also, if a bunch of random people went from the WIGO to WP, signed in, and "voted" against Ed's RfA, it would make RW look a bit clueless. Let the people who normally participate in RfAs do what they do. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:02, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Ed's defeat[edit]

It's pretty clear Ed's shot at re-adminship is going down in flames. How do you suppose it will be spun on CP's front page? I'm guessing something like "Liberal Wikipedia denies adminship to one of their oldest best contributors based on his Conservative ideology, which is expressly against their own rules. Wikipedia's message to Conservatives: You're not welcome here!" DickTurpis 14:34, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Possibly, though I rather suspect they won't mention it. There are too many embarrassing stories and referrals to RW on the page.--Damo2353 14:38, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
If it is mentioned at all, it will be "Liberal provocateurs and gay activist editors prevent Ed Poor from ..." --Shagie 14:55, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't know if they'd wnat to mention it. It shows that Ed was actively working for Wikipedia (The National Enquirer of the internet you know) and will certainly look bad on the site as a whole.... It'd be like promoting Human to sysop on Conservapedia, it'd make us look bad SirChuckBPenguin Knight, First Class 17:33, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
They could easily spin as a last ditch attempt to save Wikipedia via honest conservative values, shunned by the liberal establishment as anathema. The point is, they rarely miss a chance to make Wikipedia look bad. Remember when "someone" blocked Ed and it made their front page? This will be much the same. And, to avoid linking to something that links to RW, they can just leave the entire thing unreferenced; no links. They do it all the time. DickTurpis 21:29, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Wait, I kan haz Syslop at CP? And wai not??? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:00, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Wonder what put the two nominators upo to it? (You'd be a loverly CP Sysop, H) SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:01, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Ed has even moved his grand father's page after agreeing Ed Poor senior is not a notable person. This happened after someone complained about it on his talk page.All this good behaviour may be wasted if he does not get that sysopship back. (Re posted here as the talk was immediately archived.. sorry)-- 20:32, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

(another) Thing that annoys me about Ed everywhere is his (Chuckle) & similar inserts. Intended no doubt to demonstrate his avuncular nature. SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:39, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Ed's (Chuckle) and such always makes me think of a creepy old guy trying way too hard to sound like a friendly and approachable old guy. Makes me distrust him right off, and his other actions just reinforce that. --Kels 10:48, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
He's even threatening to censor Wisdom98's block on CP, a classic move-and-forget style (similar to premature archiving to avoid answering anything). Even Karajou's talkpage on CP warrants no answer. It's an awesome example of abuse and bullying that they almost proudly flaunt. NorsemanWassail! 11:06, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Is it just me or does Ed Poor sound a more intelligent, more self-critical, more rational being on WP than CP? The comments on WP just don't seem to stem from someone as mind-bogglingly stupid as the Ed Poor that questions whether, given R = V/I, that V = IR is true (those of us who didn't know would just shut up).[1]. I find myself disagreeing with just about everything Ed writes on WP - but I don't hold my head in my hands and groan.--Toffeeman 12:22, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Ed is certainly a different person on WP, which is the only reason he ever had such positions of authority and managed to hang onto them for quite a while. That, at the end of the day, he is still Ed Poor is what makes him unfit to be a Wikipedia admin. He can separate out his duties at CP from WP, but I don't think he can divorce himself entirely from who he is: the unfettered asshole of Conservapedia. DickTurpis 12:34, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Slow day?[edit]

Okay, I can understand that Saturday/Sunday are slow days on CP, but today (Friday), things are moving at a completely Lulz-denying rate! The Recent Changes (in their default settings) cover more than six hours right now (13:10 to 19:34)! WTF is going on? --Sid 19:39, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Summer. A year ago, they had their first contest (and we our first boycot). No contest this summer (the people who organized them have either been blocked or disillusioned). The edit for credit homeschoolers are on summer break or taking remedial classes. PJR appears to have taken some time away. All you've got left really is Ken, Ed, and Karajou to run the show... and Ken apparently is having trouble getting into the campus library on their summer schedule. Add in the server stability problems, protection getting left on for awhile... I'll bet most of their page views are people going to Ed's edits on his RfA.
On the RfA thing, I wonder if Ed has realized that being a big fish in a slowly drying up small pond (CP) wasn't as much fun as being a big fish at Wikipedia and thus the RfA process... though his past statements appear to be coming back to haunt him big time. --Shagie 19:46, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
People have summer jobs due to the absence of fun-school.
Also, since the CP update some people--myself--are having trouble viewing the "special pages"... so I can't get any much needed work finished! Kektklik sock 19:49, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
CP is dead. I can usual edit by now, but I can't even open the main page. I think the server has died since the upgrade. You would think Ed "As a database administrator I should have know that deleting the AfD would cause a 5 minute read-only back log on the database server" Poor would help out. Oh wait... \approx\pi 20:00, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh Conservative has been deleting and restoring his Homosexuality articles again it might be choking the server a little. \approx\pi 20:02, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Here's the other thing... the activity that there is is almost entirely unproductive. I mean, it's all on either incredibly arcane nonsense, gays, or liberals. Meanwhile articles that might actually be useful - like a lot of their stuff on oil linked to from the main page - consists of stubs that haven't been updated for many months, or even years... The Lay Scientist 20:21, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Nothing there has ever been productive. Any attempt to do something productive you run into Ed "I am an expert at what you are doing and I don't understand it" Poor and it is either reverted to a poorer quality version or now deleted. This is why I have given up caring. I thought a free homeschooling resource was a good idea, but unfortunately the people in charge are not interested in doing what it takes and instead make their enycloblog full of Liberal X articles, which are the sort of things that get you respect around there. \approx\pi 20:26, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I dunno, I had fun getting some of the classical music stuff launched, and I see people are still "improving" related articles. Don't know how much work has gone into my "building trades" project, though - and I can't upload images, so I'm damned if I'm going to bother taking pictures of machinery and tools for them. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:34, 18 July 2008 (EDT)


Ehh...What exactly are you doing? Any ideas? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 20:08, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

I have the impression he does this because he can or he thinks it is beneficial in some way, most likely there was something in the edit history that made him look like an idiot. (More than deleting and restoring a page without reason that is). \approx\pi 20:12, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
It'll also zero the page views - not what I'd have thought he wanted. SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:19, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I wonder if the MW update will continue to report the "honest" total, thus losing millions of conservative views of page? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:54, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Karajou on Wikipedia[edit]

HAHAHAHAHAHA The little bastard is getting completely owned on Wikipedia... It's really hard to "win" arguments when you can't block somebody isn't it? SirChuckBPenguin Knight, First Class 02:56, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

In short, all of you have been engaged in this sort of behavior against Conservapedia since the week it was founded. You couldn't tolerate the thought of an online encylopedia with conservatism at its core, so you set to work trying your worst to shut us down. We have a clear history of your behavior against us in Conservapedia, Rationalwiki, here in Wikipedia, and other sites, and all of it is accessable by anyone who wishes to take a look. You people had another choice, and that choice was to leave us alone, but you refused to do even that. You're off the site; you have been of the site for some time now. Live with it. Karajou (talk) 04:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

The best part is, he's still talking like he owns the place. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 03:00, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

It is freakin hilarious... speaking of hilarious... AHHHH what is that?
OMG! KARAJOU IS MITT ROMNEY!!!!!!111oneoneonerippedfromhuman!!!! --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 03:05, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Eh, most of what's on that site is us parodying Cpers. I forget who I signed on as... ħumanUser talk:Human 03:14, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Whoever pulled this one was very lulzy. Andy would never call his baby a "blog" --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 03:19, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
I can't even tell, or remember, if I was Conservative or RobS. They are both so easy to parody, anyone could have done it. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:31, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
His old talk page is just a list of image copyright notices! He was the precursor to JM. SusanG  ContribsTalk 04:23, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Dead link, Susan? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:30, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
This page. \approx\pi 04:35, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Rub it in, why don't you? SusanG  ContribsTalk 04:38, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
You, er, have a good friend for that, I think. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:53, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
It will rub the lotion on it's own skin, thank you. --Kels 17:06, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, well, WP used to be a lot easier on the ole copyright vs. fair use thing. Then they cracked down, and only want to use free images. So a lot of bots went wild and made a lot of messes on user talk pages... ħumanUser talk:Human 04:55, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
It will rub the lotion on it's own skin, thank you. --Kels 17:06, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Although I don't know how's the relationship between Karatard and Ed, I suspect that he deliberately created an account at Wikipedia to hurt Ed's chances of becoming a sysop. Not that Ed had any, but it's that or Karajou is really, really stupid. --JayJay4ever??? 14:43, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Jayjay, we all know the answer to that one!--Franklin 16:52, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

One of the things that I find amusing about Karajou getting blocked as a SPA is that if he used his old account (Carajou) it likely wouldn't have gotten blocked and his vote would have been counted (for what its worth). --Shagie 19:52, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Dead Again[edit]

Hmmm... once again getting '504 Gateway timeout' over there. Maybe somebody's actually trying to fix it, but prob not.--PsygremlinWhut? 07:50, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

I dunno, I hit my "big red button" and it worked, and so did RC. Not saying that wasn't a fluke, of course... ħumanUser talk:Human 07:57, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
You wuz lucky. Just cleared my cache and now nothing loads over there. Ah well, will try later. --PsygremlinWhut? 08:48, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
The 504 error means that the server that you access the Internet through has decided that the upstream server is taking too long to respond to be bothered with. Essentially, CP needs to get its performance together. --λινυσ() 09:40, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

It's up for me, but at 12:48 P.M. EST it's still set to night edits! It's unbelievable that 1) they don't have this set to automatic, but have to wait for someone to wake up and remember, and 2) there's no easy way to contact admins. --Jdellaro 12:50, 19 July 2008 (EDT)


Is there an easy way to find old comments on CP pages if you can't remember exactly when or where they were? I seem to recall Andy saying, probably close to a year ago, after some minor incident at WP, they WP wouldn't be around in a year's time, and would be replaced by CP, Citizendium, and Creationwiki. I'd love to find that comment, and explore it a bit. It seems to me, at least, that Wikipedia is doing pretty well, while CP is still not taken seriously as an encyclopedia by anyone ("But we have 50 million page views!!1!!!111111"). Even Citizendium is failing (I never understood Andy's high opinion of that site. He does realize it has a pro-evolution bias too? Is it just because it's marginally anti-WP that makes it his friend?). Anyway, I'd like to find these comments, but haven't been able to. Anyone have an idea how? DickTurpis 10:10, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Wasn't it on the main page? So you'd be most likely to find it in the Main Page Talk archives, or the Main Page Right template. --Kels 10:24, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
It may have been on Mainpage talk, but I'm not sure. As that's probably the most edited page on CP, it's going to be a pain to look through the entire thing. I was hoping to be able to narrow it down. Especially since I'm by no means sure it was on that page. DickTurpis 10:31, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Ooof, I think I know which remark you mean, but I dunno the exact wording or location, either. Usually, Google is more helpful than the MediaWiki software. Just google for wikipedia year or something. Added benefit is that you can use the Google Cache when CP itself is having issues. I'll see if I can remember a more specific phrasing later on. --Sid 15:03, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
"'Wikipedia will be dead or unrecognisable within a year'. Andy lays down his One Year Plan. I'm off to the bookies." (from December WIGO archive). - Icewedge (*bleet*) 15:39, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Nice find! Since Andy deleted his talk page history several times, the link in that WIGO is dead, but I think that this is the section in question. The time frame seems to be correct (comparing it to the WIGOs above and below the one Icewedge mentioned). --Sid 15:56, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Eagle Forum sponsorship[edit]

Whoa. That one sure hit a raw nerve. Argon didn't even criticise such an affiliation or anything. Wonder why this is such a touchy subject. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:31, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Id imagine it's a bit embarrassing to Andy to be a grown man in his 40s still depending on his mom's support. --Gulik 19:18, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Or, maybe, sponsorship by the Eagle Forum would jeopardize CP's stated or actual legal or purported status. Right now, it pretends to be a freelance project by a bunch of homeschoolers trying to create an alternative to evil Wikipedia, but money from Old Phyllis turns it into just another right-wing front, and exposes it (and EF) to legal/financial difficulties regarding issues from "fair use" abuse to libel.--WJThomas 20:27, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
That's a very interesting speculation. I wouldn't have considered legal implications of it - and I don't think Andy would either. I'm not sure why he would be as ashamed of the association. Unless they're bankrolling CP, it seems silly. And it doesn't seem likely, since the Eagle Forum doesn't seem to care much about CP. His behavior is too similar to his reaction to questions about his FBI complaint. - Lardashe
Heh... maybe it's a sore point because she won't help pay for it? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:10, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Aw WJ, can't we go back to calling it the bEagle Forum? That was teh funny, and CP isn't publishing fresh lulz (much) this weekend... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:37, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
The beagle is a noble beast--don't want to insult them with a spurious association to that slimy EF/CP crew.--WJThomas 22:11, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
It was also... a boat... ħumanUser talk:Human 22:12, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) Wait, does this mean Phyllis can't recieve Conservapedia's award piece of shit because her site is associated with CP? Someone ought to let him know... NorsemanWassail! 12:29, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Andy PWNED...AGAIN[edit]

Here. Taking bets as to when Jbonham will be blocked. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 17:06, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

It was Ames. He was blocked again on the recent changes. IT HAS to be him, because nearly all vandals are actually him. NorsemanWassail! 17:27, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
I'll put $10 on 17:50 to 18:00, and a further $5 on "90/10" being the reason (2 edits, both talk). DickTurpis 17:33, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
Oooooo. Off on both [2] . But hell, no one was going to cal that reason. DickTurpis 17:39, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
It makes me want to scream when Andy says "Jbonham, you use a meaningless correction...". That from the guy who dismisses other peoples' valid arguments for a simple typo. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 03:43, 20 July 2008 (EDT)


Does anyone have the link to when Roger moved Native American to American Indian? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 22:17, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Speaking of roger really quick, I was looking around and found this. remove silly foreign nobility title "sir"; it just means that he got the favor of some king, and no one cares about it. I am truly dumbfounded by the audacity of this statement. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 22:19, 19 July 2008 (EDT)
That was an early big bug up Schlafly (A)'s ass back in the day... ħumanUser talk:Human 01:49, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
A quick glance at his Move Log shows that he didn't seem to do such a move, but I think you meant stuff like this category switch. It was quickly reverted, however, because (1) he never bothered to change all entries in that category and (2) he never bothered to de-redlink it. --Sid 07:01, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Truly Conservative Bible Verse[edit]

Main page Bible verse: "Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Matthew 6:34 Must be the best right wing "Fuck You Jack, I'm OK" quote in the book! SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:58, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

The great minds at conservapedia...[edit]

The awe-inspiring minds at Conservapedia have reached a revolutionary theory. They have discovered an amazing fact which was only known to certain people. Homosexuals can't feel love. I suppose this is the answe as to why Hitler- His parents were straight, right. Well, Charles Manso-Oh shit, his parents were straight too. Ehhmm....Yeah.... --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 01:45, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Good thing editing is turned off, or I'd get myself blocked for 1) copyediting that stoopid "patriot" screed, and then 2) commenting on how stoopid it is. (Way back when, I remember talking to a Marine who said "Clinton was not his boss"...) ħumanUser talk:Human 01:51, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh my Gawd![edit]

The self-serving little git has come up with another gem Conservative Insights. Mrs Shlafly, it is my sad duty to inform you that your son has reached rock bottom... and continued digging. --PsygremlinWhut? 02:04, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Gee, has it occurred to anyone else yet that JJacob is an obvious parodist? (and bootlicker, etc.) Oops, I didn't mean to "out" him, he even wandalized us to make his credentials good, as I recall. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:59, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

I know someone of us is over there, I found a very familiar edit..... Ace McWicked 08:18, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

On the subject of bootlicking, I see Foxtrot has night edit, block & upload rights now. Wonder if HelpJazz noticed. --PsygremlinWhut? 03:30, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
When can I get the privilege of improving 210 pointzes teh trusworthy uncyclopedia when I'm drunk, eh? Probably never... ħumanUser talk:Human 03:37, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Re: Human - Yes, I'm 99% certain that JJacob is a parodist from his failure to respond to m... er, someone's challenge here [3]. The Lay Scientist 10:10, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
On the same subject, M'Lud, the prosecution rests. However, I'm 95% certain that Schlafly will never admit his mistake. -- 10:39, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

RationalWiki "insights"[edit]

Well, I think we totally need to get in on this act. I'll start us off.

  • That Christopher Hitchens' public exhortation "Mr. Jefferson, build up that wall!" would merely a few months later lead to Creationists losing the Dover trial.
  • That increasing the public understanding of science would decrease church attendances.
  • That more guns leads to more shooting.
  • That "Live free or die" license plates would lead to literally thousands of deaths.
  • That, with many lulz, serious defects could be found in the personalities of Conservapedia editors.

-- 06:16, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

The LFoD one kinda went past me... on a side note, one of WUNH's many "homemade" station ID spots uses a bit of George Carlin's (?) riff on the motto, where he pronounces it as an order... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:19, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

"Conservapedia Conference"[edit]

Okay, WTF, did someone release the Stupid Gas while I was asleep? Did Andy realize that he had been depriving us of our Lulz and decided to make up for it? --Sid 07:05, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

just an observation but do the topics listed :

indicate that Andy has finally admitted that CP is a Political/Religious Website rather than something aimed at homeschoolers? SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:17, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, no - he is building a website intended to indoctrinate children of a certain religious "persuasion" to his political views via rewriting all the known facts that contradict them. Or something like that. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:53, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Someone with an active sock should add Gene Ray to the list of suggested speakers...Antifly 12:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

It's broken....[edit]

Srsly. Can someone with decent server-fu explain to me what teh Assfly is or is not doing to keep his wiki-blog from not crashing on a daily basis? PFoster 14:09, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah its completely stuffed for me to right now. Normally I can get into it after the second or third try but today i can't at all.Damo2353 14:21, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Dolphin Olympics time! NorsemanWassail! 16:07, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah but I suck at that game. My best is only 50,000. How the hell does someone get 7.6 million?
I got 686000, you gotta do big combos --CPAdmin1 17:03, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Nah, Desktop Tower Defense and Attack of the Buggles --Shagie 16:24, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
I like Nanaca Crash. --Gulik 16:34, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
That is just mad. Bondurant 17:11, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
That is undoubtedly the weirdest web game I've ever come across. I like the notes - "a portion of internal logic was changed. This has no effect on gameplay" You're not kidding. Superb! DogP 19:30, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
THIS IS SPAAAAARRRRRRTTTTAAAAA!!!! --Kels 17:46, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
You should show that to Chaos. He loves that stuff. Nods.gif --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:03, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Nice try Anders, if that is your real name. Actually, when we Jellyfish assume control of your government, the only way you will be able to tell will be the mysterious absence of techno. <blink></blink> 09:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Damn, that was brilliant. Oh, and CP is up again, btw. Gap in the Recent Changes: A bit more than five hours. --Sid 18:24, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Hmmm, that's odd, wasn't it completely down during the same hours last Sunday? Does the CP server go to church or something? ħumanUser talk:Human 19:02, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
It's Nightly Lockdown Plus: To be able to edit, you have to visit Andy at home and let him look over your shoulder while you write. --Sid 20:52, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
That crash game is... odd. That, and somehow I've got a score of 1783.46m. Thats 195 football fields... 1.1 miles. Poor guy. --Shagie 18:33, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
I obtained 3429 metres of Nanaca hurling myself. DogP 19:45, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Shagie, I have no idea on earth what you are talking about, but your math looks dodgy to me... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:17, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

It's unbroken!!Antifly 18:25, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

It's up, if that's what you mean...but unbroken? It ain't been right since March 2007. 19:02, 20 July 2008 (EDT) CЯacke®
A fair point well made.Antifly 21:24, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Dunno about "broken" but there's been no activity for over 2 hours (and that was just Andy Lenski-ing). By my calculations (excuse maths) it's evening there so where is everyone? (Kajagoogoo's not been on since his Wp adventure) SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:39, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Come to think of it; I haven't seen Edwina or PJR around for a while either. SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:47, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
I'll see your This Is Sparta techno remix, and raise you Cab Calloway. -- 01:34, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
PJR has been fairly inactive (though not as inactive as I initially thought), and Ed's also been oddly quiet recently. Kara's last edit was to reply to Bugler - he didn't even reply to Kevin calling him out about Wisdom's ban. It's all very weird - especially Ed's silence since he's at least more active on WP right now. Maybe he finally realized that his openly abusive behavior on CP does have consequences on his WP reputation? --Sid 06:13, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
What happened to RobSmith just before Xmas anyhow? There's just PJR's note:"RobS has been busy with other matter" on his talk page in April. SusanG  ContribsTalk 06:30, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Something scandalous, no doubt, involving some sort of involuntary incarceration. Otherwise, they'd be up front about it, or have given a "good luck" shout-out to the crazy bastard when he left.--WJThomas 08:10, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I has a more realistic hypothesis -- Andy is trying to root out whatever problems are plaguing the CP system (pageload: fail) and has mentioned to his closest allies that the site is going to be a bit unstable for a few days. <blink></blink> 06:26, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
My theory is crazier--which, in CP-world, makes it perfectly plausible: Andy and his minions are spending the bulk of their time working on Conservapedia version 2, another site that is cleaner, more focused, less prone to vandalism (since only the loyalists know about it), with more control over users and content. This would explain where everyone's gone, and why they don't care much about current downtime issues.--WJThomas 08:38, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
That's the version of Conservapedia that was adapted from a Philip K. Dick short story, right? :) <blink></blink> 09:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
From what I know of Andy, that's not implausible. But what good is a rapidly growing wiki that nobody knows exist? --Gulik 14:49, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
My notion is that they realize that CP has spun out of their control, full of parody and general crapitude, and they'll spend the next month or three cleaning up and transferring the "good" stuff to CPv2, and implementing more stringent editor controls, before having a grand re-opening. Is there a way to do a whois search by registrant (that is, to see what other domains Andy has registered)?--WJThomas 15:07, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

CP is outstandingly crap this morning...most page requests are failing for me... And no-one's around? Seems like the only people doing anything are visitors. Is it too soon to confirm that Ides worked? HHDF R4EE W9GD 2SSA 8FD0 KMMC 1A3L LLDS VX9N UU5F DogP 14:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, it's broken for me, too. Am I going to have to read YouTube comments to get my daily hit of Stoopid? --Gulik 15:05, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm sure it's going to be fixed very soon. DogP 11:19, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Someone's been busy[edit]

He he he. He he he he he he he.

Not sure how long it will last, one of the WP admins is keeping a close eye on the page. Screenshot saved here if need be.--Matt 18:45, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

Tis gone: lasted almost a day reverted (rv vandalism) by an IP! Wonder who? SusanG  ContribsTalk 21:53, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
And back again by another IP. Who is having fun with Karajou now? --BoredCPer 22:56, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
This isn't going to reflect well on us, even if we had nothing to do with it. I regret not reverting it earlier today... ħumanUser talk:Human 23:10, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Specifically from CP or higher than that *gulp* Jimbonites? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 23:20, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes, Jimbonites exactly. It's not like they'll sic the FBI on us, but it stains our reputation if we get associated with it. And all they have to do is google a line of that and they'll find who wrote it "first". I'm not saying it was one of us, we have many amused lurkers and it could have been one of them. What I am saying is that I think in a case like this, we should try to be "the good guys" and clean up the wandalism as soon as we find it. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:52, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
Do you think that the Jimbonites suspect us? Or would CP bully them into saying we did it? Is it time for a disclaimer on some part of RW saying we DO NOT endorse vandalism toward wikipedia or something? I doubt anybody here would do it. One of the vandalsisms to Karajou's page was done by a previous possible vandal. It could've just been a good fith edit but I doubt stargate talks about leet. Here too. Although that looks like something on here, but not what we'd do to Wikipedia. The one for Kowardjou though....That's just bad. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 01:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

APS and Global Warming...[edit]

So Jinnxmchew says this, while the APS itself says: "The American Physical Society reaffirms the following position on climate change, adopted by its governing body, the APS Council, on November 18, 2007:"Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate." An article at odds with this statement recently appeared in an online newsletter of the APS Forum on Physics and Society, one of 39 units of APS. The header of this newsletter carries the statement that "Opinions expressed are those of the authors alone and do not necessarily reflect the views of the APS or of the Forum." This newsletter is not a journal of the APS and it is not peer reviewed." I'd post something to correct Jinx on the CP, but it's only open for night editing - a convenient way to keep people from pointing out how oh-so-wrong they are.PFoster 20:04, 20 July 2008 (EDT)

They spin so much on CP that it is a wonder they don't all throw up from how dizzy they are. There is not much point. I would say the site has descended in to post-modernism, "where there is no truth only cultural perspective", but they seem to have gone even further then that to "the truth is not important it is imposing my cultural perspective that is important". They don't lie through their teeth because they just simply alter reality in their head so that they are right. It is similar to Orwellian doublethink, it is Conservapedian singlethink you just adjust what you heard to make it fit with the party doctrine. Andy's Flaws in the Lenski study, or even better Dawkin's isn't a professor Oxford just lets him call himself one without disciplining him, are a perfect examples. \approx\pi 21:21, 20 July 2008 (EDT)
You're dead on there. Some CP discussions really show how just how much arguments get twisted inside Andy's (among others) brain. You say "A", and his reply usually is "Since you failed to provide A and instead implied B, C, D, E and F, you are a liberal and therefore wrong."
And I think Andy never made up his mind about WTF was up with Oxford, anyway. Proposed scenarios were (1) Oxford simply stands by and lets Dawkins do his thing, (2) Oxford is not aware that Dawkins magically skipped peer review and (3) Oxford is covering up the Dawkins Affair. The entire "discussion" simply ended when all participants were banned or gave up, allowing Andy to be the winner who wrote the history book. --Sid 06:04, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I think Andy's last known position on Dawkins was that the Oxford documentation could be ignored because it didn't match precisely what Dawkins had in his CV, but that his CV was wrong because it didn't match the Oxford documents. This startling insight into the administrative arcana of Oxford University was further confirmed by the only piece of evidence that Andy ever bothered to dig up in a forty second Google-cruise: a quote from the regulations of Swinburne University, Melbourne, Australia regarding the award of visiting professorships (which Dawkins hasn't got). Charles SubLunar (mr) 10:47, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Now that editing is open again, I had a sock ready to point out that Jinxy can't read, but instead of saving the page after making the edit I decided to forget it and move on - I (and I suspect a lot of other people) am tired of arguing with moving goalposts and people who stick their fingers in their ears and say "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!11!" It's kind of like the argument Sketch from Monty Python, only nowhere near as smart...PFoster 09:40, 21 July 2008 (EDT)


Since when is gun control any variety of science?[4] - Icewedge (*bleet*) 01:53, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Hehe, good catch. Certainly there could be "science" applied to the politics to analyze results etc., but "federally funded junk science"? Where can I get my ticket for the CP Conference? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:09, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
The site linked to on the talk pageappears at a first glance to be a Global Warming scepticism site. SusanG  ContribsTalk 03:36, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yah, but that's because GW is on the "list"... the biggest question is, will the parodists run away with this thing before the kool-aid drinkers can get control of it? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:52, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I've seen it a few times here and there but what is the cultural reference to "kool-aid"? Thank you please. Ajkgordon 04:33, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, I should have linked it... Kool-Aid drinker ħumanUser talk:Human 04:49, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I thank you. My, what a sheltered life I've lead. Ajkgordon 05:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

(undent) | The site linked to is run by Steven Milloy. He's a proponent of 'junk science' or how 'bad' science is being 'misused'. The WP article is illuminating. Amongst other things he claims

  • There is no proof passive smoking is harmfull
  • DDT is the best thing since sliced bread.
  • Asbestos is your friend and lives would have been saved if it had been more widely used in the twin towers
  • And, everyone's favourite, evolution is only a theory.

My kind of guy Silver Sloth 05:34, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

The real question is if we will know who has control of it, the parodists or the kool=aid crowd? With some of them (like Bugler) it is very hard to tell which is which. --BoredCPer 05:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
The end result is pretty much the same either way, though. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 05:50, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm actually halfway certain that Bugler's a parodist, but people like Jinx are cases where I fear they're actually real. Either way (echoing what AK suggested), both sides will eventually simply echo what Andy wants to hear. They're not really driving forces themselves. So he'll simply decide to rant about abortion, breast cancer, evolution ("Lenski Affair Redux Live", anybody?) and global warming. --Sid 05:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Ahu. Well, Andy actually wrote an article about how asbestos would have prevented 9/11 (basically), we all know Ken's clusterfuck that is the ToE article, and I think CP is okay with DDT, too. Dunno about smoking part, but this site sounds perfectly in line with CP's views! --Sid 05:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Re: Steven Milloy - are you guys not familiar with this cretin here? If you check him out on Sourcewatch, you'll find that he has actually taken considerable sums of money from the tobacco and oil lobbies to fund his website and other activities. The Lay Scientist 08:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Just his first paragraph on Wikipedia has my toes curling.--Bobbing up 08:43, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
See the Sourcewatch page on him if you want your toes to curl so far they puncture your soles... here The Lay Scientist 08:54, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Interestingly, the CP page on Steven Milloy refrains from any mention of his "professorship." I'm sure questions would be asked about his "appointment" if it did. Bondurant 08:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Whoa! Fox just popped out of the woodwork too. --PsygremlinWhut? 10:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Looking at his contribs, he's been doing some light turd polishing editing for some time. Bondurant 10:20, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Make Them Dance[edit]

CP is getting boring again. The whole bitter-sweet Lenski affair has shambled to halt as the loonies over there run out of ways to describe the distant horizons they can see with their heads up their collective asses. Even Assfly's threats of a workshop and addition of the article "conservative insight" has evoked little more than a yawn from me. It is up to us (where us means you. I'm far too busy grooming my goats . . ) to solve this dilemma. To paraphrase Trent in his recent pwnage of the jerky one (Karjou, Carajou)over at WP, somebody sock up and make them dance Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 10:53, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I believe CP has already been overrun by parodists and reasonable socks. And with practically no active sysop around to patrol or dance, CP currently looks a lot like LazyTown - a bunch of puppets and a few people you wish were puppets. --Sid 14:20, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
You may find this relevant to your interests. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 14:28, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I think I've just developed a fetish for pink wigs. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 14:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I want to see a deathmatch between them and Aqua. --Kels 15:47, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
More to the point, I can't wait to see what nostalgic/ironic nightclub tours the late 2010s inflict on the world. Timmy Mallet is going to have nothing on the sheer awfulness of the next generation. -- 19:29, 21 July 2008 (EDT)


Humblpi has gone, after a struggle against the odds to inject some sense into the Other Place. Others have come, and others have tried the same, but few have left a parthian shot so withering, preserved here in the event of some CP "spring cleaning". Bondurant 10:59, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I can't seem to find it at the moment but thought we had an archive of CP Parthian Shots? If not then we jolly well should have. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 15:07, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Good idea, and I suggest that if it is going to be done, it be done soon. I really do not think Conservapedia will be around much longer. Consider: ever since Lenski's second (and wonderful) reply to Little Andrew, the site has been the laughing stock of the internet (even more than it was before). It has been down constantly, and most of the sysops are inactive. Andy was inactive for a bit after Lenski's reply, and his level of activity is nothing like pre-Lenski levels. PJR has disappeared (perhaps he finally recognized the sort of jackballs he was associating with?), Koward has been fairly inactive, and Poor Ed has faded out of sight since WP shot him down. The number of edits is way down. Maybe Little Andrew (or Mommy, who is probably bankrolling the project) will finally pull the plug.--Franklin 15:21, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't suppose CP costs a great deal of cash to run and I'm sure that Aschlafly would be perfectly capable of funding it. Ajkgordon 16:20, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't know...I really do not have the impression that Little Andrew is rolling in dough. Of course, I suspect even he could afford a reliable server, so why all the down time?--Franklin 17:00, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I have no idea if he's rolling in it or not but I seriously doubt he's short of a bob or two. I'd guess that the site problems are more down to technical errors of CP's own making, e.g. a poorly implemented sw upgrade, rather than a hosting issue. Ajkgordon 04:08, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Conservapedia a Parody?[edit]

We know that there are parodists freely operating on CP (I certainly am). I strongly believe from multiple examples that that several sysops are also parodists. You could probably count the active, genuine sysops on your fingers. It stands to reason that some proportion of Conservapedia's content is actually parody.

To what extent then is CP actually a parody site? The Lay Scientist 11:21, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I think it is in the eye of the beholder. The Poe paradox as I understand it (i.e. not very well) offers some insight in that, to an outside observer, parody is indistinguishable from serious contributions. I'd hold that parody is, not just indistinguishable but no different from serious content, and almost entirely dependent upon the observer. Thus, the most obvious parody on CP (to me) is some of the content added by Assfly whereas the most true content (to him) is presumably content added with the intent of being parody. The site makes an excellent example of the intentional fallacy (a work means what the author intends it to mean , no more) at work. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 12:16, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Sadly, most of CP is not parody. While there are indeed some obvious lesser parodists lying in wait for their moment of MexMax-style glory, none of the seniors are making this stuff up - they really believe it. What's truly frightening is that people who believe this codswallop walk this Earth amongst us. DogP 12:39, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I actually doubt that Andy, for one, believes most of what he writes. He knows he is lying. He probably tells himself the ends justify the means (i.e. he as a good reason to tell lies) or something like it. I think it is important to realize that Andy feels deeply inferior to those he desires to be his peers. So his only recourse is to gather a band of useful idiots around him and attempt to throw as much dirt on others as he can. his hope is that, after the process is over, he'll have less dirt on him than others. good luck with that. It all goes back to he and his brothers diddling around in his mom's closet playing dress up with her quite substantial undergarments Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 13:11, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Are there any non parodists in this exchange? [5] --Damo2353 14:36, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
"I think it is important to realize that Andy feels deeply inferior to those he desires to be his peers" I find this desperately sad. Andy could so easily have got his self esteem from doing something different from those he desires to be his peers rather than competing with them. Why not try and build a real resource for homeschooling? Just pick one of the problems people have with Wikipedia and fix that. WP is not citeable: why not build an encyclopedia around real experts "trying out" book and article drafts. WP isn't "familly friendly", in the sense that it does have entries you don't want school age-children seeing (I regularly investigate the porn star biographies to make sure that I know what not to let my children see). It's also not always kid-friendly or dummy friendly, the articles often have stuff that is not sub-University level. So, no porn, everything at early teenage level, decent authors. The result is a great alternative resource for both bomeschoolers and mainstream kids doing projects. Not only does Andy get to show off something really worthwhile he also gets "being a decent bloke" credits: yeah, I could have made a fortune in a law-firm but I decided to give back.-- 16:26, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Uhm . . . CP is not intended to be an encyclopedia for homeschoolers. It is simply a platform from which to attack the myriad of realities that disrupt Andy's ideology. Anyone who think CP looks like a reference work is not looking very carefully. Ditto for anyone who thinks the regulars over there are actually trying to build anything like a reference work. It is a smear campaign and that is all it has ever been. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 16:49, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm not sure that's right, Sheesh. I think he does believe most of what he says. He has an instinctively US-style conservative way of looking at things. If it doesn't conform to a preconceived idea or ideology of how it should be then it must be wrong. He might not know the details of why it's wrong but he instinctively knows that it is. So while the details might not be 100% certain in his criticisms, he believes absolutely that the general gist of what he's saying is true. Take the Dawkins story as an example. While he technically might be a professor according to a liberal university, he isn't a professor in the spirit of the word - he bought his title on the back of a wealthy liberal and has no other redeeming features and therefore is undeserving of the title. Same with Lenski. He is wrong because evolution is impossible. The details must be questioned and doubt is his debate weapon. And the details that he raises often do have a grain of truth. Yes, Lenski's paper was reviewed more quickly than average. It's the conclusion that he draws from that which is, of course, wrong but he believes absolutely that conclusion, i.e. that Lenski wrote a paper that confirmed evolutionist science and was therefore rubber stamped by other evolutionists. It makes perfect sense. (Conversely, PJR seems to be capable of much deeper and nuanced evaluation of that and has the rare gift of being able to give the benefit of the doubt. In other words, that Lenski's conclusions are wrong because he made some or many genuine mistakes rather than any sort of deceit. Aschlafly's positions is born from an instinctive mistrust of anything that Lenski might say purely and simply because he is a evolutionist and no doubt a liberal atheist to boot.) I'm rambling a bit here but I conclude that Aschalfly is not purposefully dishonest. He might not be terribly subtle in his mockery of others and gentle teasing may well come across as being purposefully deceitful - a diplomat he would not make. But there is a distinction between that and his genuine arguments against certain things that he firmly believes even though the details of those beliefs might be a rather hazy. Ajkgordon 16:47, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
You're just saying that 'cause you obviously love Andy and want to marry him. . . . Now that we've cleared that up here are a couple of reasons I think Andy is mostly lying
  1. The tactic of deflection: He doesn't like a question so he ignores it and throws out either an accusation or a completely unrelated question and then insists on getting an answer/response
  2. Ignoring/erasing facts that don't suit him: He repeatedly ignores things he has no answer for, deletes them and then later claims that no opposition to his nutty ideas have been presented.
  3. obnoxious/disruptive/bullying theme/tangents/memes: upon discovery of something that acts as a bee in the bonnet of his detractors (real or imagined) he will extend/re-use/spread that thing all over CP until it infests all recent content. This is typically trollish behavior

While perhaps not admissible in a court of law these tactics ( and a few more I don't want him to know I notice) mark him as an insincere self-promoting buffoon. and give my regards to Mother Phyliss during your impending nuptials . . . hehehe Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 17:01, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

On the subject of parody, I see somebody finally picked up the Monty Python reference [6] in their *ahem* Article of the Week... nobody expected that in the Spanish Inquisition... --PsygremlinWhut? 17:08, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh, I don't deny his tactics, Sheesh. But that's not the point. The point is that he knows he's right, perhaps can't articulate why he's right, and then uses those tactics to win debating points. You see it's all about instinct. It's anti-reason. He simply knows, in his gut, what's right and what's wrong. It's self-evident even though it's difficult to explain exactly why - truthiness. His logic will seem perfectly reasonable to him (and incidentally his target audience which is the whole raison d'etre of CP) and anything that goes against that must, by definition, be false and probably deceit. So, while I admit he may well knowingly say something that isn't the God's honest truth, it's only not so because he can't quite see what it should be and so makes the best fist of it that he can. Ajkgordon 17:51, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
And I don't deny that he thinks it is OK for him to lie, though he obviously can't admit that. However, as I remember my biblical commandants, there wasn't a long list of exceptions after "thou shall not bear false witness" or whatever. In the end, we're disagreeing on the why not whether he lies. The only way we'll ever know that is to know his thoughts directly, a repulsive and thankfully impossible thing. And, for the record, I still think you want to marry Andy . . . Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 18:44, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Hmmm... while he might lie, I'm pretty sure he doesn't think he does. It's way beyond a means to an end. He doesn't think "oh I can tell this lie because it's serving a higher purpose". He thinks that what he says must be true because he is instinctively right even though he might not understand why. He doesn't analyse. Analysis is anathema. He knows the conclusion and then has to work the facts backwards and if those facts don't quite fit it's because he just hasn't got them quite right. Shoehorning isn't lying!
Your invitation's in the post. Ajkgordon 03:33, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Wish ed wrote this before The RfA[edit]

So Ed wrote Wikipedia:Responsibility which was apparently speedily deleted once for "patent nonsense". I just wish he wrote it before the RfA so one could ask about "Asking that they use an appropriate username is an extension of that, and not wildly unreasonable." and [7][8] - what exactly constitutes a reasonable name on Wikipedia? (retorical question - I know).

My phrasing of this would have been (possibly a bit too leading, lawyer types might object, but Andy's not here... ):
In Wikipedia:Responsibility you say "Asking that they use an appropriate username is an extension of [civility and respect], and not wildly unreasonable." On Conservapedia you have blocked two users for user names [9][10] and supported the system. These editors apparently had opinions that went against your own. Given this, what do you believe that an appropriate user name is on Wikipedia, and how would you put Wikipedia:Responsibility into action? --Shagie 13:49, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Man, I loved the "the page appears to have no meaningful content or history, and the text is unsalvageably incoherent. If the page you created was a test, please use the sandbox for any other experiments", also the article is only 400 bytes long after you take out all the markup and wiki-stuff. So it is a typical (if a little wordy) Ed Poor article. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 15:27, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Obama gaffe[edit]

I know it's been WIGO'ed, but we're getting another interesting insight in what passes for Andy's mind. [11] Saying "a bomb fell on Pearl Harbour" now means "It's doubtful Obama has a slightest clue about -- or interest in -- American history." I wonder a) how he leaps to these conclusions, b) (as has been said elsewhere) if he really believes himself and c) if Andy is just as clueless and ignorant, seeing as he didn't know how many Presidents had died in office... and he teaches friggin American History. Oh a sock, a sock, my kingdom for a sock... --PsygremlinWhut? 16:58, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I do believe that Andy's reached an all-time low here, one that might never be equaled. Either he's so incredibly stupid as to believe that Obama--who lived a hefty portion of his life in Hawaii--is so dopey that he believes that the attack on Pearl Harbor involved a single bomb, or he's so utterly desperate to find something--anything--bad about Obama, that he'd think we'd fall for the aforementioned pap.--WJThomas 17:15, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
(not to mention that the alleged gaffe might be nothing more than an error by the transcriptionist)--WJThomas 17:17, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Good point. Mind if I make it over on CP? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 17:20, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Go for it...--WJThomas 18:00, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
What's clear at this point is that Andy's got a rabid case of Obama-hate going on, which is why he continues to question his citizenship, religion, education, and now, knowledge of American History. He's gone from running an encyclopedia to blogging, and now he's just trolling on his own blog, with items like this and his affirmative action crap. I feel that it's a waste of time to try to get him to actually back off any of this bullshit - I just put my objection out there for the record and let it go. --SpinyNorman 17:25, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Nicely said too and AK's comment. Between this, his nasty little hissy fit with Greg(?) and that cover-up about the second president to die in office, I'm starting to get the feeling the training wheels are coming off Andy's trolley and he's starting to wobble alarmingly. --PsygremlinWhut? 17:34, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, the American History class is going to be a classic in the making. When I think of Andy teaching his version of history, I'm reminded of the Bugs Bunny cartoon where he gives his nephew a recap of "his version" of American History before a big test, and he comes home with a dunce cap. --SpinyNorman 17:38, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Can we start calling it the "Obama giraffe"? ħumanUser talk:Human 18:11, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh I get it. It's because he's black . . .or not black enough . . . Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 18:37, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Honestly, why doesn't Andy get it over with and call Obama an uppity nigger. Come on Andy! We all know that's what you really mean. Hell, that's what you mean whenever you write "multiculturalism"... Because he forgot an "S" at the end of the word, COME ON! Andy, I suppose you or one of your acolytes are reading this, so please listen up. People (and even black people) sometime swallow sounds, I know you'd like to be the one authority on history, (that's why Roger is trying to make the Native Americans look like dirt-worshiping heathens who deserved what they got, and your mom just wrote that Jesse Helms was the greatest senator of our times; all part of rewriting teaching history).

Andy, when I heard about Conservapedia, I thought it might work. I really did. That's why I've never had a sock or done acts of wandalism to your blog. But like the war in Iraq, it has failed miserably. Please, leave the internets while you still have some shred of your dignity left. DLerner 19:14, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Another Murcan thing this, I can't see ignorance of British History being any more than a very minor point for any politician here. If anything, I'd like it 'cause it might mean that she was more informed re. science. (Although, come to think of it, M. T******r was a chemist) SusanG  ContribsTalk 20:03, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Whoever goaded Andy from "not a clue" to "clueless", nice work. And, to add a note, Obama was clearly confusing Pearl Harbor with Hiroshima, mixing up which country he is running for President of. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:00, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I like how the gaffe turned out to be CNN's fault, and not Obama's, showing just how fraking insane Andy is. Barikada 03:46, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

(via Pharyngula, tracking back through links) Someone should point out John McCain can't figure out which countries border each other, a little more important than where "S"s go. Sterilesnore! 08:43, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

ED'S BACK!!!!!! and the first thing he does is remove the Obama gaffe business[12]. Perhaps there is hope for you yet.

PNAS Reply time?[edit]

Well, the draft response to PNAS is sitting out there waiting for Andy's approval. It'll be interesting to see if he gives it the go-ahead, or comes up with some clever ways to try and ignore it away so he doesn't get formally pwned on the PNAS website - he was hoping to rant away unopposed on CP to his hearts content, where he controls the feedback. --SpinyNorman 17:29, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I've got Z$12 billion (about 2c) that says Lenski/PNAS becomes the next FBI before too long. --PsygremlinWhut? 17:38, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Lol, I hear Zimbabwe has just released a new note, the $100 billion note. I'm not making that up.--Damo2353 08:49, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Things are looking good for the massive egg-on-face exercise that the PNAS letter will be. I'm delighted to acknowledge the superb work DinsdaleP has been doing to encourage Andy to submit the letter. I'm really hoping enough socks pile in and convince him to sign it with his name alone. DogP 02:52, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
This will be ignored and deflected by Andy. Like Psygremlin (please adopt an appropriate user name!) said , it will soon be forboden to mention Lenski at all. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:32, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Summer project proposal?[edit]

Since the generation of new content on CP has ground to a halt (when the site itself isn't grinding to a halt), here's a thought to fill the idle time. Let's snapshots of Andy's American History lectures and grade them for him, taking 5 points off for each error that can be backed up with a quality reference. We can then post the graded/corrected lectures here as a public service. --SpinyNorman 17:41, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Sounds fun, although the complete lack of footnotes or even a bibliography is really enough to flunk him by itself. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 17:46, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
We could start building side-by-sides of them one at a time... ħumanUser talk:Human 18:10, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, we could... but they're long, and... and... so clueless! I'm not sure I have the stomach for this. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:15, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, the side-by-side format might be rough on the eyes given their length. How about highlighting the conservative insights errors with strikeouts, and use reference links to point to the explanations at the end? --SpinyNorman 18:19, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
That sounds like a good idea... although, then again, all we'd be doing is providing a free proofreading and fact-checking service... ħumanUser talk:Human 22:54, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
They read to me as if he'd just rambled into a dictaphone & got someone to type it up uncritically. There's no start → finish clarity and constant repetition of "facts". SusanG  ContribsTalk 23:03, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes - when I read one or two (bits) of them, they looked to me like "lecture notes", not exact text to "read". IOW, they are his half-assed outline for brainwashing sessions, and he never polished them into a finished product for the website. Which is funny, you'd think that would have been project #1 for him as an editor, along with blackmailing the homskollars into writing articles for his "pedia". ħumanUser talk:Human 23:42, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Could someone who can get CP working or has the patients port them over here to the CP namespace, I can't get anything to load worth a damn. tmtoulouse oppress 23:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, good luck with that. Why not email Andy ask him to mail them to us on a CD (HAHAHA)? It would be quicker... Oh, and he could also enclose a check for the aforementioned editorial services. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:11, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I've been trying for the last hour - if I get to the page - I can't open for editing & eventually have to stop trying or the laptop'll be out the window - never long on patience me! SusanG  ContribsTalk 00:40, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I took Human's advice and E-mailed Schlafly asking if he had any offsite copies he could send over. I am sure he will get those right away. tmtoulouse oppress 00:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Hey, I know some people working on delay tolerant networking, it's like sneakernet for the 21st century. Maybe conservapedia could just run over that. People could just take their smartphones to church and while the preacher sprinkles them, ahem, liberally with bullshit they could be actively gathering all the news that's fit to misrepresent from Conservapedia. -- 05:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

JM buffoonery[edit]

I noticed JM added Category:Dictionary to an article (can't give a linky as I can't get on) which seemed a pretty dumb category unless it was actually for dictionaries. It just has a seemingly unrelated list of words but out of interest I clicked on Wig which has a short description and a picture and See also Cell. I know Joaquin throws in random see alsos such as unrelated actors in another actor's bio but I just can't see what his logic was behind that. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 17:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

When has logic ever influenced JM's actions? Barikada 17:59, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Remember, as an artist, he's not limited to our everyday, pedestrian definitions of logic. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:02, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Damn you AK, you know the answer for everything. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 18:08, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Almost... someone wrote something like that on CP in defence of JM a while ago, but I can't remember who it was. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:42, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
That was Learn Together, unless my memory is completely failing me. --Sid 19:30, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Yes, it was him on Tom Moore's talk page.
That's actually the first thing I think whenever he puts a bunch of not-thumbnail pictures in seemingly random positions on articles. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 19:44, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Freudian slip?[edit]

Did Bohdan just say somethign he didn't mean to? [13] DickTurpis 18:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Eh, Bohdan operates in similar special zone of permissibility at CP as he does here. It's a strange world indeed. PS, when I read that, I thought it was on AK's talk page here and I went looking for the DWG over at CP... ħumanUser talk:Human 20:08, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

McDonald's Boycott[edit]

Would it be mean to poor old Ken if I were to point out to him that his latest cause célèbre is playing right in to hands of the evil gays? Quite obviously, part of the homosexual agenda is to turn America's porky masses in to skinny little boy toys. So, eat, my homophobic brethren! Eat! -- 21:28, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Methinks it would be meaner to point out the he just added a link that was already two fuckin inches away. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 22:14, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Naw, that's just conservapedia policy. Link at every opportunity, no matter how redundant. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:47, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
I wonder how long it'll take Macdonald's to issue a C&D letter to these people for using the "golden arches 'M'"? I understand they vigorously defend their trade and service marks. CЯacke® 22:49, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Good catch Cracker! They don't "just" defend their trademark - they have to in order to maintain ownership of it. Someone email them? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:44, 21 July 2008 (EDT)


Can't load 'em at all now - been slow for ages but has stopped now. SusanG  ContribsTalk 22:40, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

I'd swear that this is a deliberate attempt on their part to drive us away through boredom, but it's more likely that Andy's using the server to play that Left Behind shoot 'em up game. --SpinyNorman 22:55, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Eh, they're still there. You probably tried to get so much bandwidth you overloaded their server (again). ħumanUser talk:Human 22:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT)
Susan, to kill a few minutes, go to the link you added to blackwater, and check out the video link upper right... ħumanUser talk:Human 22:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

CP Gone?[edit]

When I try go to conservapedia now it comes up as an un-taken domain name/search box thingy. Is it, gulp, gone? Ace McWickedInteresting 01:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Not gone, just knackered. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:42, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Still workin fine and fast for me. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 01:48, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Well, I thought that too. Loading fine and fast but then oops! - number unobtainable. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 02:06, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Did they do a server move, maybe? I didn't see the error, but if it's fast for some and oddly unobtainable for others... --Sid 04:43, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Not recently, no, though they've shifted hosters quite a few times. Currently they're with - here's their Netcraft report. Note that they have always hosted on Pinko Commie Liberal Lefty Linux servers. DogP 14:04, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
All the whois reports have them still pointed at sitegrounds [14]. tmtoulouse oppress 14:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, subleases from ThePlanet - they own the netblock. DogP 16:35, 23 July 2008 (EDT)

This site is stagnating rapidly![edit]

That may be down to the holiday season. People away. It may of course be part of a longer-term drop in the number of people willing to partake in the Assfly's celebration of ignorance. Auld Nick 06:46, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Perhaps the Lenski affair made peoople lose confidence in Assfly. Proxima Centauri 07:37, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
As much as I'd love to see the above, seasons do seem to play a part... ScienceBlogs for example has tanked in the same timeframe if you look at their stats on Alexa. The Lay Scientist 07:38, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I guess that the fact that the site is either down or times out has absolutely nothing to with people not editing. I mean how long are people simply going to sit there hitting reload or save page until something comes up? I think that when the site is more reliable the lickspittles will rally round the fag. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 08:08, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Time for a boycott to gauge the true level of stagnation? Bondurant 08:11, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Might be a good time for one. The Lenski thing is well dead. The hard-core CP addicts will have a problem though.:-) --Bobbing up 08:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
It's not like there is much going on over there at the moment, save for Humblepi's cheery farewell. PJR seems to have been raptured, so there are no creationism debates; he can't even be bothered to put in a YEC view into something like this. That parodist, Bugler, seems to be getting bored. Even Schlafly himself seems to be throttling back. We're having to look hard for lol-worthy content that isn't vandalism or Ed Poor being an idiot. Bondurant 08:47, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm convinced. Time for a boycott. I'll make up a debate page--Damo2353 08:55, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Support your local boycott! Bondurant 09:14, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I'm sure it is a perfect storm of the Lenski hangover ( that incident,particularly aschlafly's handling of the various responses, had a chilling effect on the moderates on the site) and the seasonal doldrums associated with all the home-schoolers being in bible camp or wherever. After the hangover wears off and school is back in session the site may pick up. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:23, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Good news on the Lenski front: AS isn't throwing in the towel just yet. -- bunch-o-numbers

Yeah, it sounds cool, but there's no way it'll meet the sanity criteria for PNAS to publish it, and so we'll probably never get to see any reply, which sucks a bit. Therefore I predict that the net result of this will be that Schlafly sends his letter, PNAS ignore it or brush it off, and Schlafly and his acolytes chalk it up to "Teh Conspiracy!!1!" The Lay Scientist 11:14, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Personally, I'm hoping PNAS accepts it and publishes another beautiful response from Lenski and Blount. Sometimes you let irrational critics rant away because they're not worth the effort of a reply, but in this case Andy's taking shots at the professionalism of the science, and he needs to be responded to in a public forum. He seems to equate his ability to defend his abortion-breast-cancer-link BS through his absolute control over CP with his ability to debate an actual scientist over properly executed science when he doesn't like the outcome. Having him put in his place in a forum he can't censor is worth the time. --SpinyNorman 12:33, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

In Andy's world either outcome will be another example of Liberal Deceit. Consider

  • PNAS publish the letter along with a well argued slap down as per Lenski's second. Here we have a classic example of Professor Values where lies and deceit are used in a last wordism way to counter Andy's points.
  • PNAS refuse to publish and it's Professor Values refusing to accept the Truth.

So, no gain, no change. Silver Sloth 12:42, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

Not really, because in the first case the slap is there for all to read, despite Andy's denial. --SpinyNorman 13:17, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Just had to copy this here:
"Stitch75", you seem to think that the truth depends on whether PNAS accepts it. It doesn't. Lenski's paper is badly flawed regardless of whether he admits it, PNAS admits it, or you admit it. That's the beauty of the truth: it doesn't require admission by anyone. I'm fine with Lenski and PNAS refusing to admit the flaws in their paper. After all, if they really cared about quality then I doubt they would have published their flawed paper after merely 14 days or less of peer review.--Aschlafly 15:38, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Just confirms what SilverSloth said above. SusanG  ContribsTalk 15:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Yup, classic Schlafly-think. He Knows the Truth, and science won't be "right" until it confirms what he Knows and is Set Free. ħumanUser talk:Human 16:31, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
For ever and ever. Amen. --Robledo 17:02, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Godspeed!--Neon 16:06, 23 July 2008 (EDT) (aka Argon)


Is it just me, or does their "news" article on McCain actually paint him in a pretty negative light? "Ridiculed?" - isn't that a liberal thing to do. --PsygremlinWhut? 07:40, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

You mean this Main page one? Yes, it is a bit ambiguous. --Bobbing up 08:38, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
It is cut and pasted from the lead in to the longer linked article, so the tone and slant of the article is all Yahoo news. several of the longer "headlines" on CP are plagiarized in the same manner. Basically they are stealing them, probably because they are too lazy and disfluent to craft their own headlines Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:13, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, the copy-pasting is normal for the main page, but JM (I'm fairly sure he was the one who added this thingy, but I'm too lazy to verify) didn't really understand the concept: He keeps copy-pasting from normal news sites and not from right-wing blogs which will publish Major News like "Obama eats kittens!" --Sid 14:13, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Actually it's even more weird than that. It says: At the same time, the Republican contender released an eyebrow-raising new ad flatly blaming the Illinois senator for higher gasoline prices. It links here Not only does that seem a rather bizaire claim, but the article linked to says nothing of the sort. There is no mention of gas. --Bobbing up 14:21, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Well JM's posting was made 15 hours ago (as I type) and the news story is only 50 minutes old so either the story has changed or there was a typo in the link. The latter is doubtful as it is more likely to be copied & pasted. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 14:39, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
The news story apparently keeps changing slightly (the "x minutes ago" reflects the "last changed" time - 7 minutes right now). I googled for "As Obama toured the war zones trailed by U.S. network TV anchors, McCain ridiculed him from afar", checked the results, and some of them reflected the changed version that doesn't contain the line. As of right now, these links still have the old paragraph. --Sid 15:37, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

The Ed Poor School of Mathematics[edit]

Checkout the Us Gallon to Litre conversion in para 2 of This article on gas pricing Silver Sloth 12:03, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

ten bucks per liter? no wonder Europeans don't drive anywhere!--WaitingforGodot 12:54, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Jesus. And he's a maths teacher? Ajkgordon 13:31, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Er no. This is the Ed Poor school of maths not actually Ed. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 13:45, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh. I'm fairly certain I've seen him state that he teaches math(s) in some capacity. Ajkgordon 13:54, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Indeed he does, and no doubt the author of the page was a graduate of this particular school, however it was not Ed.--Damo2353 13:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
He mentioned it in WP somewhere. The thing that struck me was the inability to reconcile V = IR with I = V/R, What a numpty (or Wazzock)SusanG  ContribsTalk
He's not even off by the correct factor. I could have seen him accidently multiplying by 3.79 instead of dividing, but he's not even close. Jrssr5 14:11, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
The edit was made by Europeanunion and all he did was get the decimal point in the wrong place, it should be $1.07/litre rather than $10.7/litre. Let's not go overboard on this. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 14:20, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, but isn't "overboard" exactly where we are supposed to be going from time to time. When mocking fools, "really dumb" and "seeming dumb" are in effect the same thing, right?--WaitingforGodot 14:34, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Not really. If Ed had made the edit it might be worth pointing out. But Europeanunion is hardly a regular editor so a single transposition when copying a calculated result is pretty small fry. Look how stupid Obama's "bomb" without the plural "s" looks. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 14:46, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Where can I buy petrol at a dollar a litre? --Toffeeman 14:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
In L'Estados Unidos. ħumanUser talk:Human 15:03, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Also in many Middle-Eastern countries. I think that there are also oil-producing countries in Africa & Asia where it is only just above cost or even subsidised. Jollyfish.gifGenghismutating 15:07, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I think their article is right about the oil-subsidized-countries, plus or minus a country or two and a few cents on Venezuela's gas price. These are mostly fairly repressive countries, so they have to throw the people a bone every now and then to prevent the armed rebellion and such. OneForLogic 15:20, 22 July 2008 (EDT)