# Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive62

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## New Voting extension

I have finished work (as far as I can tell) on a new version of the wigo voting extension. When I made the one currently in use my knowledge of how to program and deal with mediawiki was in its infancy. I have sense learned a lot more and think I have created something without the many faults of the current system. The new system no longer relies on the voting template which will be a huge relief on our CPU cycles, also we are no longer caped on how many votes we can hold, and by simply adjusting the labels the system can be used for voting on anything so all the other "what is going on" type articles can have their own vote system. Finally, there is no need to truncate the database to allow for more voting. This means we can store the vote results even after they have been archived which will allow for some new fun things such as maybe sorting "best of" by number of votes. Anyway here is how the new extension works:

<vote poll=wigoX>Wigo text goes here</vote>

The "poll" is the label for the vote, simply replace X with whatever number is next on the list this can go up to the hundreds of millions so we have a while till we have to worry. To use this on pages other than wigo simply change the "wigo" to something for that page. Questions? Comments? tmtoulouse frustrate 11:19, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm a little confused. So we need to use a new page now? Or this will overwrite the old one? Could you give a link? Or I being stupid? Cheers.--Bobbing up 11:27, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
You are a GOD! CЯacke®
No need for a new page Bob, just need to start using the new format and depreciate the old format. However, for some reason the two extensions are not playing nice with each other when on the same page so I need to figure out whats going on there... tmtoulouse frustrate 11:35, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Okay fixed the conflict between the extensions, and I have changed the format on the last WIGO entry, future entries should follow the new format. And I am close to a God, yes, just not quiet there yet. The omniscient thing seems easy, its that omnipotent thing that throws me for a loop. tmtoulouse frustrate 11:50, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
As you can see I uncommented the new, improved coding scheme simply because people won't notice until they've tried to add content under the old convention and will be mad because "no-one told me to LOOK" for the new instructions. In a week it'll be old hat and we can re-comment it. CЯacke® 12:16, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Nice work, Trent! The instant portability is an awesome feature, too. Just think of the possibilities... ħuman 19:16, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

### Bug reports

I see the most recent wigo with the arrows above/below each other instead of side by side... ħuman 19:17, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Yea me too, I will look into it. tmtoulouse frustrate 19:18, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
It was table formatting issues, I think it should be fixed now. tmtoulouse frustrate 20:28, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Seems ok, but then again, you did comment out the only one I saw it on ;) Working fine at my private poll, too... ħuman 20:53, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Both of the new items I posted are doing the same thing.... Is there something special we have to do to stop that from happening? SirChuckBDMorris for new Jinx! 21:02, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
See Human's talk page - I'm getting teh same.   ContribsTalk 21:12, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

## CP is so boring

Nothing is happening.......not with a bang but a whimper...... tmtoulouse frustrate 23:10, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Boycott time? 3.14159 (not signed in)
It is not even worth boycotting anymore.......the dreaded "what happens when CP dies" stage of RW may actually be happening. I have seen the forecasts of doom and gloom for CP many times and always discounted them but there seems to be a systemic rot at that place like never before. It seems even the mediawiki software itself is rotting with random failures to load. tmtoulouse frustrate 23:15, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
I find myself getting excited when someone like conservative or KooKoo shows up to edit because they gotta do something stupid, and when Andy actually shows up I am elated. I have been getting my CP "lulz" now from the Wikipedia thread on Ed's adminship..... tmtoulouse frustrate 23:20, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
That's one way to stop everyone from hating them. Boring all of their opponents to death. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 23:32, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
Post-Conservapedia is always going to be a problem. There is plenty more crap out there but we have lost to important things; a one stop shop for all our fundies needs and a little loss of a sense of community as our favourite laughs source disappears. 192.43.227.18 23:39, 17 July 2008 (EDT)
You're neglecting the festering option. I started a wiki at work over two years ago now that I used for a while then it died for a while. somebody else picked it up and then it died again for while. Now the whole staff uses it and it is edited daily. Some of the content that I added two years ago is still viable. CP could similarly go into hibernation only to spring back when some fundie-looney gets a wild hair of jesus up their ass. Meanwhile all that awful content can just sit there waiting to turn stomaches, corrupt minds and confirm biases. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:34, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
I don't know, I keep hoping that maybe 8 years of *other than conservative fundie freaks* heading our government might make the day-to-day fundi freaks a bit less active. My gay friends have left a nice big closet empty, that our fundi friends can hid in!--WaitingforGodot 12:52, 18 July 2008 (EDT)
If Obama gets elected, expect to see CP and similar right-wing nut sites zoom back into high gear. Nothing fuels political fervor like the sweet, sweet feel of persecution. --Gulik 15:55, 18 July 2008 (EDT)

Lol, I hear Zimbabwe has just released a new note, the $100 billion note. I'm not making that up.--Damo2353 08:49, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Things are looking good for the massive egg-on-face exercise that the PNAS letter will be. I'm delighted to acknowledge the superb work DinsdaleP has been doing to encourage Andy to submit the letter. I'm really hoping enough socks pile in and convince him to sign it with his name alone. DogP 02:52, 22 July 2008 (EDT) This will be ignored and deflected by Andy. Like Psygremlin (please adopt an appropriate user name!) said , it will soon be forboden to mention Lenski at all. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:32, 22 July 2008 (EDT) ## Summer project proposal? Since the generation of new content on CP has ground to a halt (when the site itself isn't grinding to a halt), here's a thought to fill the idle time. Let's snapshots of Andy's American History lectures and grade them for him, taking 5 points off for each error that can be backed up with a quality reference. We can then post the graded/corrected lectures here as a public service. --SpinyNorman 17:41, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Sounds fun, although the complete lack of footnotes or even a bibliography is really enough to flunk him by itself. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 17:46, 21 July 2008 (EDT) We could start building side-by-sides of them one at a time... ħuman 18:10, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Yeah, we could... but they're long, and... and... so clueless! I'm not sure I have the stomach for this. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:15, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Yeah, the side-by-side format might be rough on the eyes given their length. How about highlighting the conservative insights errors with strikeouts, and use reference links to point to the explanations at the end? --SpinyNorman 18:19, 21 July 2008 (EDT) That sounds like a good idea... although, then again, all we'd be doing is providing a free proofreading and fact-checking service... ħuman 22:54, 21 July 2008 (EDT) They read to me as if he'd just rambled into a dictaphone & got someone to type it up uncritically. There's no start → finish clarity and constant repetition of "facts". ContribsTalk 23:03, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Yes - when I read one or two (bits) of them, they looked to me like "lecture notes", not exact text to "read". IOW, they are his half-assed outline for brainwashing sessions, and he never polished them into a finished product for the website. Which is funny, you'd think that would have been project #1 for him as an editor, along with blackmailing the homskollars into writing articles for his "pedia". ħuman 23:42, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Could someone who can get CP working or has the patients port them over here to the CP namespace, I can't get anything to load worth a damn. tmtoulouse frustrate 23:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Yeah, good luck with that. Why not email Andy ask him to mail them to us on a CD (HAHAHA)? It would be quicker... Oh, and he could also enclose a check for the aforementioned editorial services. ħuman 00:11, 22 July 2008 (EDT) I've been trying for the last hour - if I get to the page - I can't open for editing & eventually have to stop trying or the laptop'll be out the window - never long on patience me! ContribsTalk 00:40, 22 July 2008 (EDT) I took Human's advice and E-mailed Schlafly asking if he had any offsite copies he could send over. I am sure he will get those right away. tmtoulouse frustrate 00:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Hey, I know some people working on delay tolerant networking, it's like sneakernet for the 21st century. Maybe conservapedia could just run over that. People could just take their smartphones to church and while the preacher sprinkles them, ahem, liberally with bullshit they could be actively gathering all the news that's fit to misrepresent from Conservapedia. --81.187.75.69 05:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT) ## JM buffoonery I noticed JM added Category:Dictionary to an article (can't give a linky as I can't get on) which seemed a pretty dumb category unless it was actually for dictionaries. It just has a seemingly unrelated list of words but out of interest I clicked on Wig which has a short description and a picture and See also Cell. I know Joaquin throws in random see alsos such as unrelated actors in another actor's bio but I just can't see what his logic was behind that. Genghismutating 17:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT) When has logic ever influenced JM's actions? Barikada 17:59, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Remember, as an artist, he's not limited to our everyday, pedestrian definitions of logic. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:02, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Damn you AK, you know the answer for everything. Genghismutating 18:08, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Almost... someone wrote something like that on CP in defence of JM a while ago, but I can't remember who it was. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:42, 21 July 2008 (EDT) That was Learn Together, unless my memory is completely failing me. --Sid 19:30, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Yes, it was him on Tom Moore's talk page. That's actually the first thing I think whenever he puts a bunch of not-thumbnail pictures in seemingly random positions on articles. NightFlareStill doesn't have a (nonstub) RWW article. 19:44, 21 July 2008 (EDT) ## Freudian slip? Did Bohdan just say somethign he didn't mean to? [13] DickTurpis 18:48, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Eh, Bohdan operates in similar special zone of permissibility at CP as he does here. It's a strange world indeed. PS, when I read that, I thought it was on AK's talk page here and I went looking for the DWG over at CP... ħuman 20:08, 21 July 2008 (EDT) ## McDonald's Boycott Would it be mean to poor old Ken if I were to point out to him that his latest cause célèbre is playing right in to hands of the evil gays? Quite obviously, part of the homosexual agenda is to turn America's porky masses in to skinny little boy toys. So, eat, my homophobic brethren! Eat! --81.187.75.69 21:28, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Methinks it would be meaner to point out the he just added a link that was already two fuckin inches away. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 22:14, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Naw, that's just conservapedia policy. Link at every opportunity, no matter how redundant. ħuman 22:47, 21 July 2008 (EDT) I wonder how long it'll take Macdonald's to issue a C&D letter to these people for using the "golden arches 'M'"? I understand they vigorously defend their trade and service marks. CЯacke® 22:49, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Good catch Cracker! They don't "just" defend their trademark - they have to in order to maintain ownership of it. Someone email them? ħuman 23:44, 21 July 2008 (EDT) ## BORING Can't load 'em at all now - been slow for ages but has stopped now. ContribsTalk 22:40, 21 July 2008 (EDT) I'd swear that this is a deliberate attempt on their part to drive us away through boredom, but it's more likely that Andy's using the server to play that Left Behind shoot 'em up game. --SpinyNorman 22:55, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Eh, they're still there. You probably tried to get so much bandwidth you overloaded their server (again). ħuman 22:56, 21 July 2008 (EDT) Susan, to kill a few minutes, go to the link you added to blackwater, and check out the video link upper right... ħuman 22:57, 21 July 2008 (EDT) ## CP Gone? When I try go to conservapedia now it comes up as an un-taken domain name/search box thingy. Is it, gulp, gone? Ace McWickedInteresting 01:26, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Not gone, just knackered. ħuman 01:42, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Still workin fine and fast for me. -- Gen. S.T. Shrink That's what she said. 01:48, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Well, I thought that too. Loading fine and fast but then oops! - number unobtainable. Genghismutating 02:06, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Did they do a server move, maybe? I didn't see the error, but if it's fast for some and oddly unobtainable for others... --Sid 04:43, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Not recently, no, though they've shifted hosters quite a few times. Currently they're with ThePlanet.com - here's their Netcraft report. Note that they have always hosted on Pinko Commie Liberal Lefty Linux servers. DogP 14:04, 23 July 2008 (EDT) All the whois reports have them still pointed at sitegrounds [14]. tmtoulouse frustrate 14:29, 23 July 2008 (EDT) Yeah, Siteground.com subleases from ThePlanet - they own the netblock. DogP 16:35, 23 July 2008 (EDT) ## This site is stagnating rapidly! That may be down to the holiday season. People away. It may of course be part of a longer-term drop in the number of people willing to partake in the Assfly's celebration of ignorance. Auld Nick 06:46, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Perhaps the Lenski affair made peoople lose confidence in Assfly. Proxima Centauri 07:37, 22 July 2008 (EDT) As much as I'd love to see the above, seasons do seem to play a part... ScienceBlogs for example has tanked in the same timeframe if you look at their stats on Alexa. The Lay Scientist 07:38, 22 July 2008 (EDT) I guess that the fact that the site is either down or times out has absolutely nothing to with people not editing. I mean how long are people simply going to sit there hitting reload or save page until something comes up? I think that when the site is more reliable the lickspittles will rally round the fag. Genghismutating 08:08, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Time for a boycott to gauge the true level of stagnation? Bondurant 08:11, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Might be a good time for one. The Lenski thing is well dead. The hard-core CP addicts will have a problem though.:-) --Bobbing up 08:35, 22 July 2008 (EDT) It's not like there is much going on over there at the moment, save for Humblepi's cheery farewell. PJR seems to have been raptured, so there are no creationism debates; he can't even be bothered to put in a YEC view into something like this. That parodist, Bugler, seems to be getting bored. Even Schlafly himself seems to be throttling back. We're having to look hard for lol-worthy content that isn't vandalism or Ed Poor being an idiot. Bondurant 08:47, 22 July 2008 (EDT) I'm convinced. Time for a boycott. I'll make up a debate page--Damo2353 08:55, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Support your local boycott! Bondurant 09:14, 22 July 2008 (EDT) I'm sure it is a perfect storm of the Lenski hangover ( that incident,particularly aschlafly's handling of the various responses, had a chilling effect on the moderates on the site) and the seasonal doldrums associated with all the home-schoolers being in bible camp or wherever. After the hangover wears off and school is back in session the site may pick up. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:23, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Good news on the Lenski front: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AFlaws_in_Richard_Lenski_Study&diff=491747&oldid=491543 AS isn't throwing in the towel just yet. -- bunch-o-numbers Yeah, it sounds cool, but there's no way it'll meet the sanity criteria for PNAS to publish it, and so we'll probably never get to see any reply, which sucks a bit. Therefore I predict that the net result of this will be that Schlafly sends his letter, PNAS ignore it or brush it off, and Schlafly and his acolytes chalk it up to "Teh Conspiracy!!1!" The Lay Scientist 11:14, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Personally, I'm hoping PNAS accepts it and publishes another beautiful response from Lenski and Blount. Sometimes you let irrational critics rant away because they're not worth the effort of a reply, but in this case Andy's taking shots at the professionalism of the science, and he needs to be responded to in a public forum. He seems to equate his ability to defend his abortion-breast-cancer-link BS through his absolute control over CP with his ability to debate an actual scientist over properly executed science when he doesn't like the outcome. Having him put in his place in a forum he can't censor is worth the time. --SpinyNorman 12:33, 22 July 2008 (EDT) In Andy's world either outcome will be another example of Liberal Deceit. Consider • PNAS publish the letter along with a well argued slap down as per Lenski's second. Here we have a classic example of Professor Values where lies and deceit are used in a last wordism way to counter Andy's points. • PNAS refuse to publish and it's Professor Values refusing to accept the Truth. So, no gain, no change. Silver Sloth 12:42, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Not really, because in the first case the slap is there for all to read, despite Andy's denial. --SpinyNorman 13:17, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Just had to copy this here:  “”"Stitch75", you seem to think that the truth depends on whether PNAS accepts it. It doesn't. Lenski's paper is badly flawed regardless of whether he admits it, PNAS admits it, or you admit it. That's the beauty of the truth: it doesn't require admission by anyone. I'm fine with Lenski and PNAS refusing to admit the flaws in their paper. After all, if they really cared about quality then I doubt they would have published their flawed paper after merely 14 days or less of peer review.--Aschlafly 15:38, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Just confirms what SilverSloth said above. ContribsTalk 15:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Yup, classic Schlafly-think. He Knows the Truth, and science won't be "right" until it confirms what he Knows and is Set Free. ħuman 16:31, 22 July 2008 (EDT) For ever and ever. Amen. --Robledo 17:02, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Godspeed!--Neon 16:06, 23 July 2008 (EDT) (aka Argon) ## McCain Is it just me, or does their "news" article on McCain actually paint him in a pretty negative light? "Ridiculed?" - isn't that a liberal thing to do. --PsygremlinWhut? 07:40, 22 July 2008 (EDT) You mean this Main page one? Yes, it is a bit ambiguous. --Bobbing up 08:38, 22 July 2008 (EDT) It is cut and pasted from the lead in to the longer linked article, so the tone and slant of the article is all Yahoo news. several of the longer "headlines" on CP are plagiarized in the same manner. Basically they are stealing them, probably because they are too lazy and disfluent to craft their own headlines Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:13, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Yeah, the copy-pasting is normal for the main page, but JM (I'm fairly sure he was the one who added this thingy, but I'm too lazy to verify) didn't really understand the concept: He keeps copy-pasting from normal news sites and not from right-wing blogs which will publish Major News like "Obama eats kittens!" --Sid 14:13, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Actually it's even more weird than that. It says: At the same time, the Republican contender released an eyebrow-raising new ad flatly blaming the Illinois senator for higher gasoline prices. It links here Not only does that seem a rather bizaire claim, but the article linked to says nothing of the sort. There is no mention of gas. --Bobbing up 14:21, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Well JM's posting was made 15 hours ago (as I type) and the news story is only 50 minutes old so either the story has changed or there was a typo in the link. The latter is doubtful as it is more likely to be copied & pasted. Genghismutating 14:39, 22 July 2008 (EDT) The news story apparently keeps changing slightly (the "x minutes ago" reflects the "last changed" time - 7 minutes right now). I googled for "As Obama toured the war zones trailed by U.S. network TV anchors, McCain ridiculed him from afar", checked the results, and some of them reflected the changed version that doesn't contain the line. As of right now, these links still have the old paragraph. --Sid 15:37, 22 July 2008 (EDT) ## The Ed Poor School of Mathematics Checkout the Us Gallon to Litre conversion in para 2 of This article on gas pricing Silver Sloth 12:03, 22 July 2008 (EDT) ten bucks per liter? no wonder Europeans don't drive anywhere!--WaitingforGodot 12:54, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Jesus. And he's a maths teacher? Ajkgordon 13:31, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Er no. This is the Ed Poor school of maths not actually Ed. Genghismutating 13:45, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Oh. I'm fairly certain I've seen him state that he teaches math(s) in some capacity. Ajkgordon 13:54, 22 July 2008 (EDT) Indeed he does, and no doubt the author of the page was a graduate of this particular school, however it was not Ed.--Damo2353 13:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT) He mentioned it in WP somewhere. The thing that struck me was the inability to reconcile V = IR with I = V/R, What a numpty (or Wazzock) ContribsTalk He's not even off by the correct factor. I could have seen him accidently multiplying by 3.79 instead of dividing, but he's not even close. Jrssr5 14:11, 22 July 2008 (EDT) The edit was made by Europeanunion and all he did was get the decimal point in the wrong place, it should be$1.07/litre rather than \$10.7/litre. Let's not go overboard on this. Genghismutating 14:20, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, but isn't "overboard" exactly where we are supposed to be going from time to time. When mocking fools, "really dumb" and "seeming dumb" are in effect the same thing, right?--WaitingforGodot 14:34, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Not really. If Ed had made the edit it might be worth pointing out. But Europeanunion is hardly a regular editor so a single transposition when copying a calculated result is pretty small fry. Look how stupid Obama's "bomb" without the plural "s" looks. Genghismutating 14:46, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Where can I buy petrol at a dollar a litre? --Toffeeman 14:56, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
In L'Estados Unidos. ħuman 15:03, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
Also in many Middle-Eastern countries. I think that there are also oil-producing countries in Africa & Asia where it is only just above cost or even subsidised. Genghismutating 15:07, 22 July 2008 (EDT)
I think their article is right about the oil-subsidized-countries, plus or minus a country or two and a few cents on Venezuela's gas price. These are mostly fairly repressive countries, so they have to throw the people a bone every now and then to prevent the armed rebellion and such. OneForLogic 15:20, 22 July 2008 (EDT)