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Dramatic Reading of CP[edit]

After being influenced by this dramatic reading of a breakup letter I'm tempted to do something similar with some dialog from CP. Specifically, I'd like to use a conversation, ideally between only between Andy and one other person. I'd like to have all of Andy's signature moves included. The more awkward his phrasing is, the better. And I think in order for it to work, we'd have to have auditions for who can do the most appropriate Andy voice. -Lardashe

I like this idea. I won't be auditioning as I'm English and have an exceedingly lower-middle class voice. Someone somewhere on youtube suggested Andy sounds like a muppet gargling shit, so maybe you could try that. SuperJosh "crying into a flannel" 16:03, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
We'd need a cast. The kermit-esque Andy, the faux-angry TK, the creepy Uncle Ed, the inhuman Conservative ("S-s-skewer the s-s-sacred atheist cow! S-S-SKEWER IT!"), and an occasional Aussie interjection that gets shut down as liberal. PubliusTalk 16:28, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
I think an English lower-middle class voice might work fine for whichever voice of reason they're arguing with. -Lardashe
A good source might be to go to best of CP, pick ones with over, say, +30 votes, and search the page source for talk user:aschlafly (the text itself will require too many searches on assfly, asswipe, schlafloid, etc.). ħumanUser talk:Human 16:45, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Lenski would probably provide more than enough input, from all the main characters. --PsyGremlinWhut? 16:51, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
If we can't have somebody do a Dr. Weird impression to play conservative, we need to do a synthesized voice that sounds like Sinistar. ENorman 16:54, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh god, Dr. Weird is too hilarious, especially by beginning with "Gentlemen!" PubliusTalk 17:01, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
[1] Bump. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:49, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
I could always pull off a Dr. Weird impression for  K e n  D o l l . "Steve! Unleash the phone spiders!" HumanisticJones 17:17, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh man, ENorman - taking me back 25 years. Thanks, choad. I never realized Sinistar sounded like a pirate.
I dunno, I've always pictured Ken sounding like a Gumby. --PsyGremlinWhut? 17:11, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

What if we just use a text-to-voice program? Such as this one.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 19:23, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

"Fool! That will never work!"-- JArneal 22:21, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Surely Ken'd be Beavis (or Butthead). snigger, snigger ToastToastand marmite 19:29, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
(re 2nd clip in the movie) GENTLEMEN! I have geneticaly spliced the double helix of Darwin and HITLER!!!!!!The EmperorKneel before Zod! 11:48, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Undent- I just created an mp3 of Sinistar reading one of Andy's rant but RW won't let me upload mp3. I no know how do this. Plz to hlp eme? Thee Nuttish Talk 22:00, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Host it elsewhere, link here. ENorman 22:21, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
I don't know where to host it. Not kidding. Thee Nuttish Talk 22:50, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
If you mail it to me via email, I'll post it on youtube for others to hear, but I'll also look into a way to post the file online to share. -Lardashe

I can do a good Mickey Mouse impression. I don't know whether I'll have time right away, but if you send something that needs Mickey Moused, I'll be game. --Irrational Atheist 23:56, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

It's a pity Bugler isn't still around. He'd have made an awesome Starscream. --Kels 10:35, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

All kidding aside, I can do a decent Palpatine imitation, if needed. The EmperorKneel before Zod! 11:41, 18 April 2009 (EDT)


Andy doing a crappy Sinistar imitation Thee Nuttish Talk 14:02, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

7 days and counting...[edit]

...since Jinx hi Jinx! lost his rights. Just how long is this investigation going to take? --PsyGremlinWhut? 16:19, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh, give it a rest. You can't just snap your fingers and expect a thorough report to show up on your desk, even if you're Andy. The FBI needs time! PubliusTalk 16:21, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh noes, the FBI is at my door! Fetch my largely defensive weapon of lightsaber! The EmperorKneel before Zod! 20:37, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Shall I help with a largely-defensive-weapon-of-freeze-ray? --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 20:42, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

As long as it's not a death-ray or an ice beam. That's all "Johnny Snow". --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 21:15, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Note the attack by Jinx against TK and Andy's siding with TK. My guess - it will be much longer than 7 days for him to get his privileges back. --Shagie 00:08, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Cripes Andy, you and TK need to get a room. --Kels 00:11, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
And TK fellates Andyresponds (so nice for CP to be otherwise dead that single links get the entire sequence in one go -- this includes link above). --Shagie 02:28, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Damn TK and his Checkabuser[edit]

I create account called RichardDawkins22. TK checks. TK blocks. Damn TK. Never mind the PROXIES! And I don't live in Kansas City, mo-ron. --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 17:20, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, we care. PubliusTalk 17:22, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Making an account with that name is just asking for trouble... Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 17:23, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
I was hoping it would make  K e n  D o l l  have an onanism. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 17:25, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

What's an onanism? Z3rotalk 17:26, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
It's like an aneurysm, but the stroke is of a different nature. Totnesmartin 17:30, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Bravo, sir. Bravo. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 18:27, 17 April 2009 (EDT)
Eye thang ewe. Totnesmartin 04:13, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Ahem. CUR, you're doing it again. Stop before that former bad habit takes you over again. DogP 22:47, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

TK/"pervert" wigo[edit]

He didn't insert "pervert" into a quote. Lame. Please to vote down. What he did do is put a link to "perversion" at the top of the borken news. Which ain't bad, for an internet terrorist. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:51, 17 April 2009 (EDT)

TK was quoting from the news article. Everything except that one word is from that article and TK has inserted the word 'pervert' to make it look as if it's in the quotation. He makes no attempt to show it as a piece of (appalling) humour, and so I don't see your argument there. Jammy 05:37, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
There is a short quote at the end of the item - it's in quotation marks. "Pervert" isn't in the QMs, it's in text that leads to the quote. ħumanUser talk:Human 14:58, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually, those QMs are only there because they are in the original article. The lack of QMs does not mean it's not a quote, it just means that TK doesn't know how to reference material properly. With or without QMs, the fact that apart from the addition of a single word TK has quoted exactly from the article shows that this was a deliberate attempt to mislead about what the article was actually saying, not to mention TK just being plain nasty. Jammy 15:01, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Dictators lieberals do hate[edit]

I think to help TK out we should start listing dictators liberal do hate. I'll start with the U.S.-backed Shah of Iran and the guy Cheney sold chemical weapons to, Saddam Hussein --BoredCPer 00:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Suharto (invaded and committed egregious crimes against humanity in East Timor while the US turned a blind eye). Three generations of Somozas in Nicaragua. Pinochet. Rafael Trujillo in the Dominican Republic. Ferdinand Marcos. TheoryOfPractice 01:02, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
"Leftist hate Pinochet for defeating them" - true quote. Of course they will then shift the definition of dictator. You can't argue with Andy/TK/Ed Poor and have them acknowledge that you are right, because that would make them wrong and they are never wrong. - User \pi 01:11, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Dodn't forget Papa and Baby Doc Duvalier. --Gulik 13:42, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Or Hitler and Stalin. That should burst Ken's bubble. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 14:05, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Nope Stalin was a communist, so by CP logic all leftist automatically like him, and the Nazis were the National Socialist Party, again leftist. - User \pi 19:32, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

my site was down wigo[edit]

I think it is essential that Aschlafly doesn't believe AlanE's complaint (Frankly, I don't believe a word of your complaint above about the site downtime), implying that AlanE is lying. Have a look at Aschlafly's newest reply:

AlanE, you seem to have an interest in music, and some obscure history, and I find no fault with your routine contributions on these topics. I am less impressed by your accusations. For example, I'm confident the brief downtime did not affect you, despite your belated protests about it. You're welcome to continue contributing and I hope to learn from your efforts.--Andy Schlafly 08:52, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Aschlafly does appreciate his editors, doesn't he? larronsicut fur in nocte 09:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I can't really recall Andy complimenting anyone for anything but blocking, other than patting Ed on his head when he post his "look at me" list on his talkpage. Unless you are helping rid his encycloblog from liberals he doesn't care what you do except if it interferes with him pushing his views. - User \pi 09:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Really, that is an appalling treatment of an editor - "you seem to have an interest in music, and some obscure history". Way to go man, belittle the volunteers' contributions! Back in those heady days of spring 2007, I thought Schlafly was just another right-wing fundy loon. But now he's really exposed himself as a tawdry, bigoted, hateful, mean-spirited, little man and an intellectual pygmy. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 09:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
To be fair he did say that AlanE could was welcome to continue with his routine edits on these obscure topics - very generous of the man seeing as his mummy he is funding this free labour arm of his homeschooling business/tax rort educational resource. - User \pi 09:50, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Andy seems to labour under the misapprehension that he cannot be wrong and thus everything he touches cannot break. I bet the sysops all received an e-mail telling them what was going on, plus the site was down while they were all in bed anyway. Likewise, does he see thanking somebody for helping him (outside of blocking and tweaking his pet articles in ways he likes) as a sign of weakness. AlanE if you read this, leave there now. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:29, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
You're probably right. I don't kow how much longer I can continue the charade.  Lily Ta, wack! 11:00, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
It's not worth running socks over there anymore. I've moved Wesley and CPalmer over to aSK (I like categories, ok?), but it was nice to dust Deborah off again. Been a while since I've used her. (gosh, that sounds so wrong.) --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:08, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I think part of the problem is that Andy ranks different kinds of knowledge on a scale, much the way he does languages. Thus, anything not condenming liberals, or promoting conservatives, is "obscure". Z3rotalk 11:56, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

CP, RW, and ASK ought to form a cooperative, allowing each others' admins to post explanations for weird shit on each others' sites. That way, as long as one site is up, people can find out the status of any issues at the others. Handy for when Andy lets CPadmin (or whoever?) go to bed without fixing a bug/finishing an upgrade 'til the next morning EST. Wouldn't that be a love-fest? ħumanUser talk:Human 18:39, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

On a side not, that wigo had about 13 vote over the first 14+ hrs it was up, it has jumped to 30 in the last 8 hrs after it was tweaked to be a Ralph Wiggum joke. - User \pi 19:30, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Homework Ten Answers[edit]

Oh boy. I just read through a few of the answers briefly, and there are certainly some gems.

For one, AddisonDM challenges the relevance of the whole "EVOLUTION LED TO HITLER" trope. But for another even better one, check this out:

"Comment on evolution, nationalism, or imperialism": H2. Imperialism had many positive and negative effects on the people being conquered. I believe God used Imperialism to spread his gospel greatly by making it safer for missionaries to travel to the concurred lands.

Wow. And Andy really thinks he'll get his SES application approved?-Diadochus 11:39, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Superb, may use as model answer!
Okay, I just love that question; Comment on some topic, with no guiding direction. I have to wonder if Andy'd award full points if the student had just said "Evolution: it's full of Lies!!!1!". Z3rotalk 11:43, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I've always kind-of admired AddisonDM. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 11:48, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I conquer with your assessment. What a load of tripe. At least Addison seems to have a bit of a brain about him - any bets his isn't a model answer? Although, how the hELL can you talk about the unification of Italy - even in 1 sentence - and not mention Garibaldi???? And who the fuck is Henry Livingstone? The man who said "Dr Stanley, I presume" and "discovered" (because the locals have never noticed them before) the Elizabeth Falls? PsyGremlinWhut? 11:51, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Talking of the SES application, what's the latest on that? Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 12:04, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Also wasn't there some sort of consensus that we let this stuff lie until after Andy marked it? Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 12:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
If you have to wonder whether Andy would award full points for that, you haven't been paying attention Zero, of course he would! Also, All Heil Britannia! --GTac 12:19, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
You're right of course. I'm sure, since full sentences aren't requires, "Evolution=lies" would also get full points. Z3rotalk 12:51, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Forgive me but I criticise the teacher not the pupil: "God used Imperialism to spread his gospel greatly by making it safer for missionaries to travel to the concurred lands". Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 12:59, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Also AddisonDM puts forward a good example: "It was nationalism that enabled Big Brother to rule in 1984, while the people were made to blindly accept his cruel rule and hate everyone who belonged to another country". Andy IS Big Bro. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 14:17, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Good point, GK - most of these poor kids are only regurgitating what Andy has stuffed down their throats in class, which is just compounded by the fact they haven't been taught to think for themselves, or to question. --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I'd be surprised if these kids didn't have a little corner of the net set up by now where they hang out, laugh at Andy, and discuss how to get high marks on the homework and tests (and keep the bar low). BratWiki, perhaps? ħumanUser talk:Human 18:45, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Paint it Bblack![edit]

Everyone : do you know the difference between the First Black president and the First black president?

Answers First black president, please, it's my new pet article. Barraki 12:44, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

You have a fan. Invest in pepper spray and a tazer. --PsyGremlinWhut? 13:41, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Or largely defensive weapon of gun. The EmperorKneel before Zod! 13:49, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Andy and Karajou continue to defend CP:Bigotry...[edit]

...which I wrote. User Dashing's getting a smashing.[2] They still haven't realized it's blatant parody? PubliusTalk 13:21, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

First, props on the continuing parody. The best part is the latt statement, where Dashing gives up and says Andy is right. I bet Andy's dense enough to think he's actually changed someone's mind with his brilliant insights. Z3rotalk 13:47, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Dashing may be a blatant parody, but he's still not as insane as Andy. --Gulik 13:48, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

World History Lectures Eleven[edit]

I'm sure you guys can come up with the lulz but the first line got up my goat: "The Modern era is from 1900 to today. We learn it beginning with this lecture.". Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 14:41, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Aaargh! Andy's doing a Ken on the English language. Really, it is so poorly written that I hope that the SES assessors take a long look at it. Also, CP is supposed to be a wiki yet there are only FOUR wiki-links (cp:Parable of the Talents, cp:Abortion, cp:Guomindang and cp:sun). Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 15:05, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Last Jinx post?[edit]

Jinx has posted a biblical quote that looks suspiciously like a Parthian Shot on his userpage.

Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for it is now that God favors what you do. Always be clothed in white, and always anoint your head with oil. Enjoy life with your wife, whom you love, all the days of this meaningless life that God has given you under the sun— all your meaningless days. For this is your lot in life and in your toilsome labor under the sun. Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might, for in the grave, where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom. --Ecclesiastes 9:7-10

Is this finally the end? The EmperorKneel before Zod! 14:46, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I annointed my head with this stuff, it's great. --Kels 14:53, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
"...where you are going, there is neither working nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom." seems pretty telling. Even if it's not... TK! TK! Look! Look! it's a parthian shot. Block! Burn! Kill! --PsyGremlinWhut? 15:10, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Didn't Jinxy already leave and not come back a few months ago? TheoryOfPractice 16:46, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
That was because God told him to, or something. --PsyGremlinWhut? 17:06, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
He left just before the birth of his child so he could find his purpose in life with inspiration from God. Evidently God told he could do nothing better with his life than be a dick on the internet. - User \pi 19:36, 18 April 2009 (EDT)


TK throws an "Obama's adopted country" on the Main Page grill. Not that the opinion is new to CP, but the Main Paging of the "Obama's a foreigner" thing marks yet another low, putting dismissed gossip on the Main Page of your site is pretty much like calling the domain ''. Next up - TK, being the good far-right fundy that he is blows himself up in suicide bomb attack at his local farmer's market? The narrow sliver of light between these guys and Phelps closes every day. DogP 16:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)


Ah, that explains it. More whoring for links. --Kels 16:10, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Wheaton college[edit]

Good job whoever did that WIGO, it basically sums up Andy's values. Jammy 16:32, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I agree, excellent find. It reminds me of a few years ago when some ivy league college... Harvard I think, had a Scabies outbreak and had to close a dorm. Andy plastered it on the front page and went to talk defedning it as news. At 23:08 he said he'd never even heard of it before and at 18:32 the next day he was blaming liberals for not wondering where these things come from. A year later, he was still at it. Calling Scabies a sexually transmitted disease Schlafly is a living, walking Colbert: Someone who knows he's always right even when he isn't. SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 16:47, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Ah, the scabies incident. Good times--I'd forgotten about it. Glad to see that HsMom was pwning him on that a year after it went down. TheoryOfPractice 16:51, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
[EC*2] Yes. It's about as classic an example of hypocrisy as you could hope for. Still, the newer version is at least a better article. "A typical presentation" becomes "one presentation"; "Wheaton professors" becomes "a Wheaton professor", and so on. Of course, it benefits creationists to generalise based on isolated incidents - although only when it's about a pet hate! Dreaded Walrus 16:54, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Does Andy actually realise? Or does he honestly believe that his edit was just a 'trim'? Has he perfected doublethink, or does he feel a slight twinge of guilt at his duplicity? Broccoli 18:35, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Absolutely. This is the most perfect, blatantly obvious hypocrisy, displayed in excellent fashion. His about-turn is instant and every criticism of the college vanishes. I wonder the same as Broccoli, though. Is this doublethink, or does he know just how pathetically disingenuous he is. PubliusTalk 18:47, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Wow, what a whitewashing. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:17, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
This was 100% wonderful. Etc 19:38, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Thank you, thank you! What I love about Andy's reversion of his own rant is that, had anyone else reverted him, that person would have been spanked immediately. I'd really love to see Andy in a war now with someone who insists on reverting his most recent reversion, bringing the article back to crazytown. Hopefully, this would cause Andy to insist on things like "one example does not a trend make" and "a 59% matriculation rate and a 49% matriculation rate are not dramatically different". Coarb 21:09, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

One for the Canadiacs in the house...[edit]

I'm hoping Castled is a parodist--I'd like to think the Canadian school system does better than this... TheoryOfPractice 18:46, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

I don't know about that. I met some real shitheads in high school...though, they were usually the YouTube comment variety, not the "OMG TEH GAYS!!!!11" breed. I've never actually met a Canadian social conservative IRL. And I live in BC, home of the Surrey School Board. That's an old article, but I don't know if all that much has changed in the last decade... --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 18:53, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
You never know, he might be from Alberta. --Kels 18:53, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm disappointed, Kels. Everyone knows the Autocracy of Ralphkleinia is merely a breakaway republic of Soviet Canuckistan. I know he's not premier anymore, but King Ralph pretty much defines everything that's wrong with Alberta for me. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 18:58, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Looking at his other contributions, he's pimping some obscure Peterborough Christian punk band--maybe from Ontario? Anyway, his [first edit] is full of "win"...TheoryOfPractice 19:00, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, there are pockets of Conservatism in Ontario, although here in Ottawa the general run is fiscal rather than social. Which is why the city's often a toss-up between them and the Libs. The crazies (other than the one at 24 Sussex and his crew) generally come in for a couple of days, protest against whoever they hate this week, and toddle off home again. Take a look through some of the entries here to get a feel for what our personal retard-o-sphere is like. --Kels 19:08, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I have the (mis?) fortune to live in teh US. Luckily, I'm far from the Bible Belt, in a urban area of a very liberal state, but I still know a ton of Republicans and fundies. User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 19:15, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Hey, man, Alberta's getting better. We've got gay marriage now, at least. Barikada 02:04, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
My memory may be off, but didn't Alberta try to exempt themselves when the feds decided they were going to accept gay marriage after all, since denying it was unconstitutional? --Kels 02:09, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Yeah... yeah... but we failed at that. So... yay? Barikada 02:58, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Yahoo! Party in the toxic swamp that used to be Alberta! --Kels 12:02, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm a Québecois who's been in the US for about nine months now and even living in a fairly liberal town not far from the border--man, is it different from Canada. God is everywhere with these people. TheoryOfPractice 19:19, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Live in Michigan, I presume? User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 19:20, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
God help me. TheoryOfPractice 19:23, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
(EC)Apparently my friend's roommate (both are in my class) got mortally offended when my friend made some vague allusion to evolution. It seems she's rather the conservative sort too, so she's bought the whole package even at about 19 or 20. Such a shame to see. --Kels 19:25, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I was talking to a friend here who told me about how lots of her girlfriends in their mid-to-late twenties had two, three and in one case four children "because they're Catholic and don't believe in birth control." dude, I'm from Quebec where everyone's either French Canadian, Irish or Italian, and ain't none of us falling for that...TheoryOfPractice 19:29, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I like how that Trudeau contribution is one big ranting sentence. --GTac 06:17, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I like the paragraph about how liberals see Trudeau and how conservatives see him. I went to High School in both Quebec and Ontario and boy, that brought up alot of memories.--Nate River 19:06, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

New hidden rule![edit]

Linking to PJR's site is now bannable! Poor Corry. Another college has fallen to the forces of religious zealots. /mourn AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:04, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Don't forget to add it to our list. - User \pi 22:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Link? And that's weird, at least PJRwiki is YEC! ħumanUser talk:Human 22:42, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Yes, but he fails at CP's only rule: Thou shalt worship the LORD TK, thy God. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 22:51, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
LINKS? (pleeze) ħumanUser talk:Human 22:55, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
TK deleting comment I don't think he deleted it because it was a link to ASK (Although, I wouldn't put it past them doing that.) But, because AlanE posted something that Corry had said, I guess in private, as if he posted it on his talk page. When it was AlanE doing the posting. Patrickr 23:03, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
No. AlanE simply moved Corry's comment from AlanE's userpage to his Talk page. -tealish??!!!1 23:08, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I emailed AlanE with the comment. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:06, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Ah, sorry. I missed that move. Thanks. Patrickr 23:09, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
I edited his user page? I meant to post on his talk page. CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 11:03, 19 April 2009 (EDT)


Dunzo with parthian. Predictions:

  • TK quickly blocks with log summary: (vandal/parodist - Andy you were right! What tremendous foresight you have!!
  • Andy remarks how it is more to do with how obvious deceitful liberals are. "They aren't fooling anyone here. You'll have to go to Wikipedia for that!" -tealish??!!!1 23:04, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
That was an awesome post by AlanE AlanE's sweet sweet goodbye. I think it will be deleted and no more said about it. Patrickr 23:07, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Yeah it was pretty good, but it won't matter too much. There aren't any significant editors left to be swayed by this. Even people like JessicaT have completely bought into the system now. If all that has happened prior to this did nothing, AlanE's quality parthian likely won't accomplish anything either. tealish??!!!1 23:11, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, it's gone, it didn't happen, and Andy doesn't read shit that got vaped. That is TK's (and the other goons') job - to clean out the stables. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:32, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

"Andy doesn't read shit that got vaped" Not this time..he read it alright.And put it in the hall of fame. TheoryOfPractice 23:49, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

Oops, I missed who deleted it. But can you prove he read it? I think not. Game, set, match, and lighter, I winnzorz. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:16, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
It felt real good at the time.....especially as I'd felt it coming since Wednesday. I have had to apologise to Bobby-dog, though.AlanE 00:06, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

I like AlanE's final final comment here.--Simple 00:01, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Re: Hall of Fame link above:

"The Conservapedia sysops are "swift-boating" these former Conservapedia editors:

1. 4/18/09 AlanE on User:AlanE: "... I would say 'Godspeed' but that word has been so wrongfully used here, that instead I will just say Take Care and Be Well." "

Andy made this fucking edit. Does he realize he is participating in parody? Headdesk... Oh, yeah, I kan haz smiley box below... Falldownlaugh.gif Wall.gif Coffee spray.gif Wtf.gif ħumanUser talk:Human 00:21, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Good question. Andy gave us so many proofs that he's better than any parodist... Remember the "Obama doesn't dance" argument: no parodist would dare to write this, because it would be too obvious! Barraki 09:36, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Teh homskollars[edit]

(BUMP - these things get lost in RC and the depth of the page...) I'd be surprised if these kids didn't have a little corner of the net set up by now where they hang out, laugh at Andy, and discuss how to get high marks on the homework and tests (and keep the bar low). BratWiki, perhaps? ħumanUser talk:Human 23:34, 18 April 2009 (EDT)

They probably discuss it over email or on msn chat or something. Maybe they could get their own Facebook group. - User \pi 23:37, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
You don't think they've got something more sophisticated? My take is that their "homework" etc. responses are more deeply parodistic - and even sadistic to Andy - than anything some troll or vandal would scheme up. Am I being too innocent relative to their potential level of brainwashing? All of them? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:26, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Far too innocent. Ever seen Jesus camp? That's a likely level of brainwashing amongst this far-far-far-right Christian community. PubliusTalk 00:53, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I think it's possible that they are that deeply brainwashed. These kids are still in Andy's classes, which means that their parents obviously don't care enough to check on what their kids are doing. The students probably don't have any other way of viewing the world. The entire media is liberal after all, you can't trust them. Wikipedia is liberal. Textbooks are liberal 'cause they're written by liberal professors of colleges. Andy has made it so that he is the only good source for those students.-- JArneal 01:04, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Sigh, I guess you guys and gals are right. I was just holding out one last hope, I suppose. ħumanUser talk:Human 01:41, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
The Jesus camp videos on Youtube are scary. They're talking in tongues ;_; EddyP 06:06, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Talking in tongues, and praying for Jesus to give them a strike in bowling...i kid you not. waitingforgodot

Photoshop Wigo[edit]

I don't know about CP, but I around here, if we upload something as a User made image, it implies we made it ourselves. However, TK uploaded his stupid Al Gore fire image with that tag... But a quick Yahoo Image search finds at least 5 non-CP sites using it. Not to mention the title sounds like an auto title from clicking save image as.... TK seems to be good at taking credit for other people's work. SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 03:45, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

TK taking credit for other people's work? Surely not..... again?  Lily Ta, wack! 04:21, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I stopped counting at 20 on Google Image search. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 04:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
If you adjusted the WIGO to reflect that it would be more lulz worthy. - User \pi 04:56, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually, TK's sort-of telling the truth: he flipped orientation. --<choose>

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Bet he didn't. There's quite a few there with that flip. ToastToastand marmite 10:49, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

World History Homework 10[edit]

The time has come, my fellow Rationalwikians, to discuss Andy's butchering of the homework. Take this student's question 7: discuss any aspect of Asian history. She talks about Hawaii...which isn't part of Asia. It's part of Polynesia, which in turn is part of Oceania. Quoth the Fly:"Terrific." EddyP 10:20, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

RE:Addison's answers. The only time Andy has written much more than a single adjective or to highlight a spelling error, is to slag off evolution. But in doing so he misspells sin (Christ redeemed the sign of Adam). Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 10:36, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
He's a bit of a conspiracy theorist: "The bottom line for me is that the theory of evolution is one (of many) deceitful attempts to weaken Christian faith. The theory is a ticket to the falsehood and despondency of atheism for most people." "They're out to get us!" Cultlike much? Also, his grammar is bad; the 'of many' should have no brackets. EddyP 10:47, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
the homework marking is terrible. Some get minus one for not mentioning when the Industrial Revolution ended, some get a "Excellent". Someone discusses Asia when talking about Africa, no mark down. One person gets minus 2 for only mentioning one scientist instead of 2 which Andy asked for then the very next student does the same and gets a "terrific!". What a fucking joke. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 16:05, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
What? The stupid kid who talked about Asia and the non-existent malaria vaccination got full marks? Ye gods, you either have to spell your name wrong or be insufficiently praising of Saint Ronnie to fail the Assfly's class. --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:30, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
"On top of all of this, they renamed this region the Belgian Congo."
I guess that was the final straw. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 17:40, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Señor Martínez[edit]

Why on earth is JM still using two accounts? Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 11:45, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Good q. I know he created JMR10 when CP went all funny with unusual characters, but why he keeps using the new one, which has no powers (AFAIK), beats me. Maybe TK can block him for using multiple accounts? --PsyGremlinWhut? 11:50, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Also I noticed that he actually welcomed himself when he created JMR10. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 11:55, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Maybe that is how he finds those links? - User \pi 18:55, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Recurring parody[edit]

Will Jess notice it? Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 12:02, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

She might now. D:< EddyP 12:07, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
2 days and counting. --PsyGremlinWhut? 10:20, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

A new Lenski story?[edit]

Probably not as in-your-face controversial as proof of evolution in the lab, but I'd be curious to see the CP take on the story of microbes discovered in the Antarctic that have survived for over a million years by adapting to metabolize chemicals in the water to generate energy in the absence of sunlight. This one tweaks the prevailing CP outlook on two fronts - all the dates are wayyyy outside the YEC timeframe, and these buggers evolved to leverage the available consumables the way Lenski's E Coli samples adapted to metabolize citrate. --SpinyNorman 15:02, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm not sure why you think this discovery "changes" anything. 1) It's still "macro" evoultion, don't you know. the amoeba thingy didn't turn into celiling cat... and 2)the tests used to "prove" the dates are false, as they are based on a prejudiced view of the world that does not take God into account. Carbon dating and whatnot is simply invalid. (ps. not on my own computer, and french keyboard. sorry double for the typos) --waitingforgodot.
Is this really news? I thought we knew about lots and lots of bacteria that live through chemosynthesis? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:08, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Not news, old. I think they are older than other known microbes which do that.
Deep-subsurface populations of chemolithotrophic bacteria have been known of for some time. The primary producers in these deep-underground ecosystems seem to be methanogens growing on oxidizable minerals, with the resulting energy going into carbon fixation. Things like this really aren't considered all that unusual on the whole, and indeed are quite expected. After all, photosynthesis did not evolve until long after the origin of life. Thus, all early life would have been based on non-photosynthetic primary production. Still, anytime new non-solar-based ecosystems are discovered and studied, they are interesting. If nothing else, they give some insights into early life, as well as providing potential models with which to understand life that might exist deep in the crust of Mars, or beneath the ice on Europa - both of which would be divorced from solar-based energy production. Kaalis 19:59, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
One of this days, I should ask PJR about his definition of time. Because if you reject carbon dating, denying that atomic constants are constant... The caesium-based second is not constant, is it? Barraki 17:15, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
nothing can turn into ceiling cat, He is eternal. see LOL Cats Bible here > 19:23, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
"all the dates are wayyyy outside the YEC timeframe" - that's an easy way for YECs to conclude that it's wrong. I love how PJR and LowKey try to call this circular reasoning. Neveruse513 09:33, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Brian MacDonald[edit]

This didn't last long (deleted by Joaquin) but you may have missed this article on Karajou. It's not really WIGO-worthy but I managed a screen-cap for those who are interested. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 15:53, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Why do I get the feeling that the world's least subtle wandal, CUR, was responsible for this? --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 16:04, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
User name was "DanielWood" if that's any clue? Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 16:10, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
Not me. Really. I didn't know anything about it until it was uploaded. Funny though. --<choose>

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It is just our article on him with the wild arsed speculation details of his military career removed. - User \pi 18:44, 19 April 2009 (EDT)
I have to say, it's amazing how a number of abbreviations can add up to make an unimpressive, weak-minded individual sound smart.-Diadochus 19:17, 19 April 2009 (EDT)

Homework Ten Evolution Aftermath[edit]

By evolution, I mean the biological process by which less complex organisms slowly become less[...sic?] complex. Of course I reject the standard, naturalistic Theory of Evolution.

This might be fun. Opinions from our evo experts? (Though hey, points for mildly questioning YEC in your post, Addison. Hope you won't miss your sysopship too much!) --Sid 07:11, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Doesn't that sort of fit in with Andy's "Adam and Eve were pure, everything else is more and more corrupt" world view? --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
It is really just typical purposeful creationist misunderstanding of the science. They can't really argue against the evidence for evolution at this point in any coherent way (demonstrated by Andy's ridiculous attacks on the Lenski paper), so they have to find some way of accepting it while not accepting it. Thus, while evolution occurs, it must always result in loss of information, degradation of complexity, and so on. Due to this, any and all evolution observed and documented, even with the genetic changes underlying phenotypic changes determined, they have to bend over backwards to redefine all genetic changes in this light. As such, genomic duplications and amplifications that underlie a great deal of phenotypic evolution have to be degenerative losses of information, even though this assertion cannot be made in any intellectually honest way (I'm talking to you PJR!), as, by any reasonable definition, such events result in an increase in information and complexity. What is more, if you, as most creationists seem to, define the original state of an organism as the only correct state (nonsensical to begin with - due to spontaneous mutations even twin humans, for instance, don't have precisely the same DNA sequences so that there really isn't a type sequence), with any alteration being automatically defined as a degradation. Naturally, this is like saying that all editing does for a writer is make the writing worse. What is interesting, as referenced below, is that creationists will argue that evolution can't work because it is too slow, will also argue that massive, rapid radiative evolution within "types" occurred after the flood, which would require incredibly fast evolution that would have been orders of magnitude faster than even the astonishingly rapid evolutionary rates observed in experimental evolution studies or in the wild by the Grants during their study of Darwin's finches. All in all, creationists can't help but be incoherent and purposeful in their misunderstanding when they seek post hoc, untestable attempts to fit the natural world to the mold of their interpretations of their chosen religious texts that were never meant to be taken literally. In other words: par for the course. Kaalis 11:54, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Ceci n'est pas une auto
Thanks to his upbringing and Andy's schooling Addison is hopelessly confused. He seems to be suggesting that evolution does happen in the sense that more complex organisms have evolved from less complex ones, and that there is no reason to believe that dogs had to have been be created separately from cats (as opposed to evolved from a common ancestor). But he wants to keep the Adam and Eve literal creation part - because otherwise Andy would start giving him 94/100 on his tests. So either (it's hard to tell) he's some sort of OEC, thinking that God set things up so that evolution would create all the animals with the exception of Adam and Eve who got their own special event, or he's a really bizarre YEC, who thinks that everything (again with the exception of Adam and Eve) evolved really really quickly. Bil08 08:32, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Andy: "it's virtually impossible to construct the complex from the simple. No one would build a car from a bicycle, for example." ORLY? ħumanUser talk:Human 14:45, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Or a house from bricks? Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 14:58, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
"flooding, which is occurs often (and was referenced by Jesus), destroys any possibility of an evolutionary process' - even accepting that frequent global flooding (which I guess is what he means) was true then it wouldn't preclude the evolution of marine creatures. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 15:02, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Who would make a car from a bicyle when they can make it from much simpler materials instead? Seriously, does the man think they grow on trees or appear in your drive when you pray for them? They're made from raw materials, the simplest of the simple, ffs. EddyP 15:06, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm not expert. However, I think what Addison was referring to, the possibility of God-driven evolution, is indeed possible. --<choose>

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(ec)I love Assfly's example. It really reveals his lack of scientific knowledge. A bike is not a simple machine, it's an incredibly complex machine. Hence, it took several thousand years to develop and a few hundred more to tweak the design to it's best (giant front wheel, two tiny back wheels anybody?) So in Andy's world, you don't build from simple to complex, you take something complex and build a more complex machine that does the same job.... This guy is a lawyer AND an engineer for crying out loud. SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 16:24, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
No one said he was good at either one...Z3rotalk 16:35, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
@CUR - Possible, yes. Probable, no. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 18:18, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

A little late, but...[edit]

100 internets for anyone who can bring this up on CP.

And the corollary: .4 internets for anyone who can prompt PJR to conjure up apologia to explain it. Neveruse513 10:12, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

liberal fascist socialist propaganda spread by the communists at the radical left wing new york timesShangrala 11:17, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Oh this is brilliant...We (I) should try and push living wills and organ donorship on Christians. "I mean, you're going to heaven, right? Why would we resuscitate you, give you a transfusion or implant a new heart? Leave that stuff for atheists who need extra time to believe in your god. Sign here, please."
First you get the organs, then you get the POWER. Neveruse513 11:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

What's your imagined angle--that this indicates a fear of death (and a fear of facing the [possible lack of an] afterlife)? 'Cuz that'd be hooey.--WJThomas 12:04, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

If an editor pushed this on Schlafly Doo and the Conservapedia Gang, they'd probably accept it as a piece of undeniable proof that atheists think suicide is good or some stupid bullshit. SuperJosh "crying into a flannel" 12:08, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
No, I got it...We have a lesser will to live! Neveruse513 12:22, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
It's actually explained in the article, guys. It's likely a part of the "sanctity of life" emphasis in many denominations. It may seem like an illogical step from "I must not kill myself" to "I must do everything possible to hold on to every thread of life," but I've listened to debates on whether witholding life support is the moral equivalent of euthanasia, or whether signing a DNR is equivalent to committing suicide. I'm a pro-lifer and I'd say that there's a big difference there, but I do see where this idea came from, especially when some churches, etc. talk about sanctity of life to the exclusion of other issues. So ingrained is this mindset that CP users might not even see anything surprising about it. They might, without any doublethink or self-deception, say, "Of course! That's cause we value L I F E." Bluefish 12:33, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I always recall an extract from a poem which my mother often quoted:
Thou shalt not kill; but needst not strive
Officiously to keep alive: Full text on My user page. ToastToastand marmite 12:48, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Pretty much everything can be construed to make sense within some Christian framework. Christians would gladly twist this either way (if Xtians at large chose to die earlier, it'd be because they have faith; if they choose to prolong life, it'd be because life is sacred). Teh funny is the avoidance of heaven by painful, debilitating, expensive & pointless means. Can't deny it. Neveruse513 12:50, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Construed? Like the way you construed it to fit within your framework? -- JArneal 21:01, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
GASP... tu quoque??? Neveruse513 09:26, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I would question the relevance of this study for a number of reasons. These are people who are already hospitalized and in the last months of their lives; I would be more interested in seeing how they accounted for selection bias, especially with such a small sample (n=345). How many of these folks found religion as a result of their circumstances? I tend to dislike this "Newsworthy Stat of the Week" stories. I'd prefer not to let the truthiness of such studies get in the way of well-reasoned science. Jorge 16:43, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Doesn't stop it from being hilarious. Neveruse513 09:26, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Just a little tee hee![edit]

Suppose we should be glad it wasn't Brian

Apparently it wasn't Jesus Christ; it was David Christ. ToastToastand marmite 10:44, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

First time I've laughed outloud at (T)WIGO for days. Nice one Toast. StarFish 10:55, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Perhaps they also have a Bob "Genghis" Khan, Dave Beeth-Oven, Maxine of Arc, Herman the Kid, Dennis Frood, So-Crates Johnson, or... um... ah... Abraham Lincoln? --Edgerunner76Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter 14:16, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Bill and Ted Reference wins. EternalCritic 16:10, 20 April 2009 (EDT)


To this being a news item? ENorman 19:06, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

3. . . 2. . . 1. . . 1/2 . . . 1/3 . . . --<choose>

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Is this another "let's watch CP react" followed by CP not reacting thread? Yawn. Totnesmartin 19:18, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Here BTW ENorman 20:06, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Wow TK, way to be a stalker. User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 20:27, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Don't you love how he wiki-links the word degenerate to the homosexuality article? ENorman 20:57, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Easter WIGO[edit]

Just to nitpick, you can't do a "permalink" to the main page. You gotta grab template:mainpageright or whatever it's called. "Oldid"ing the main page gets the current version, since it's just a box of templates. And, any chance of a link for the TK "quote"? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:16, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Today is Hitler's birthday and the anniversary of the Columbine tragedy[edit]

Anyone expecting a connection from  K e n  D o l l  between the two? Wait... -- JArneal 20:30, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Sorry but that image really had to go. Can we leave the Godwin's Law violations to Ken? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:12, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh, you're no fun. And I was just getting ready to bring out the cake and ice cream.... DickTurpis 21:19, 20 April 2009 (EDT)


She has questioned assfly. She seems to like aSK better. How long until the former homeskoller is expelled? Is teh end of the world coming? --<choose> <option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:23, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Okay, can we get a definitive declaration of Addison's gender? CUR and I presume female, while others clearly presume male. PubliusTalk 21:28, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Surely she's Allison with a headcold? DickTurpis 22:05, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I asked on ASK. User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 22:10, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
He's a guy as far as I know. Besides he's a homeschollar, so must be a guy - the girls are too busy baking cookies. --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:20, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

What's on RJ Jensen's bookshelf.[edit]

This caught me by surprise. Why? He's referencing Jim Goad's Redneck Manifesto. Who's Jim Goad? He's this guy. (warning: link Not Safe for Work or CURs.) Update--So Jim seems to have taken down a lot of the objectionable images (it's been years since I want to the site) but still--hardly a CP-values-friendly guy...TheoryOfPractice 22:16, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

How objectionable we talkin' here? --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 22:56, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Two words: Amputee pr0n. Jim's an awesome writer--Redneck Manifesto is a must-read (I by no means agree with everything he says, but he says it well...)--and part of his shtick is/was to shock people in order to disabuse his audience of certain ideas about America, Americans and the place of race and class in the national discourse... TheoryOfPractice 23:06, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

A double shot of CP hypocrisy[edit]

Ah, CP... You give me so much joy... Lets take a look at some new ones. First, Terry Koeckritz posts a borken news headline with a link to this wonderfully informative site. From the site itself:

This self-help alternative medicine site offers extensive educational information on the topics of natural healing, holistic and biological dentistry, herbal medicine, cleansing and detoxification, heavy metal detox, diet, nutrition, weight loss, and the finest, tried and tested health equipment and products available for the natural management of health.
I know you're reading, but you'll have to Forgive me Terry Koeckritz. I'm a little skeptical when it comes to accepting information from this character. Second, Andy links to a blog that begins with "I just spoke with Andy Schlafly." NO bias there right Assfly? But the bigger thing is this: Listen to how Andy describes things at Wikipedia: "
Someone will nominate an entry for deletion. It will go into a discussion period on a discussion page. The liberal mob will dominate the discussion, unrestrained by any meaningful principles. Then someone who has special status on Wiki, an administator, will delete the entry, and that is how they censor the truth. It is difficult to find a trace of how it happened, and the person who deleted does not have to explain his or her reasoning. The deletion battle has raged again and again with truth telling entries.
Anyone who could read that without having to reassemble their irony meter please raise your hands SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 23:11, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Mine is rebuilt to version 3.14 standards, and while it threw itself out the window, the special shock-absorbing treatments protected its functionality. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:22, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
That wasn't an irony meter, that was a ZX Spectrum 48K.-- 09:27, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm going to have to get a new one, probably the NX 90000. By the way, I gave up on making a portable weirdness meter, it blew up whenever I turned it on. --<choose>

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PS, although mine survived the incident, I did end up with a small unexplained cut on my thumb. I suspect fractal stupidity created a fifth dimensional phenomena that luckily missed my vital organs. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:41, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Mine left a suicide note. Something about breaking its spirit and "cruelty beyond measure". Damn liberal irony detectors... --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 23:31, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
I really need to upgrade, mine went spinning out of control before I finally had to smash it with a hammer. SirChuckBI have very poor judgement 00:39, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Behold, the pinnacle of technology!
Mine works just fine, but has been reporting the same reading for quite some time now. PubliusTalk 00:53, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Mine hasn't worked in over a year now, it completely short-circuited during the Hollywood Breast Cancer event. I believe they came out with a better model though, I must get that. DogP 00:58, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
I should point out that on CP they usually skip the discussion phase before deletion. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 02:50, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
I like this from Jinx on the Stanek blog. LateralQuercus

"Just FYI, Harold (and possibly Quercus) is a member of another wiki that is obsessed with Conservapedia and its members. About 90% of the material on this wiki (which I shall not name) is devoted to their obsession. The wiki also encourages vandalism of Conservapedia, impersonation of Conservapedia editors and their IPs, harassment of Conservapedia editors, and other actions of questionable legality. The fact that Harold tracked me down here to attack me just proves how pathetically obsessed they are. Expect more comments like that. Delete them as necessary. Posted by: Jinx McHue at April 21, 2009 9:28 AM"

(undent) The item in the photo looks more like a Transmorgrifier than an irony meter. Mentally-retarded liberals go in, and defect-free conservatives come out? Yikes. --SpinyNorman 12:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

C'mere an' gimme a hug, you Calvin fan you...--PsyGremlinWhut? 12:21, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
So Jinx said I was banned for vandalism on CP and I've called him on it. Let's see what he comes up with. --SpinyNorman 12:49, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Here's the direct link to the blog entry + comments in question to save people time (I hope). ħumanUser talk:Human 20:21, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Lecture 12.[edit]

I'm sockless/perma-ip-banned these days. Does anybody feel like going over to the upcoming history lecture to point out that it was the USSR that pretty much won the Second World War in Europe, and that the Americans and Brits helped--as opposed to Andy's "the US won the war" BS? TheoryOfPractice 23:13, 20 April 2009 (EDT)

Looks like MolotoK already did it for you here. --Simple 23:27, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Wow. Two years ago too. Andrew Layton Schlafly is so pigheaded. Amazing. TheoryOfPractice 23:31, 20 April 2009 (EDT)
Communists can't be permitted to have done anything worthwhile! History must be ideologically cleansed! --JeevesMkII The gentleman's gentleman at the other site 04:29, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
I like how he turned the Spanish Civil War into a three-sided conflict so that he can claim that Orwell "fought" both the fascists and communists. Godspeed 08:36, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
It must upset Andy no end that the person who has the most to to alter peoples perceptions so that they are always weary of communist/fascist governments was a Trotskyist turned socialist. His never ending attempts to try and pretend he was conservative are amusing.- User \pi 09:41, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Eastasian contribution to unhistory is doubleplus ungood and badthought. Brother Schlafly's newthought goodfacts on realhistory are always doubleplus good.HumanisticJones 12:45, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Yeah, good ex-Marxists become crazy conservatives, like David Horowitz. Godspeed 15:28, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

(UD) Clement is doing a nice job of tying Andy's knickers up in a Mobius strip. Andy doesn't know his godspeed from his lightspeed, and Clement did a great job of getting Andy to show that as clearly as possible. And getting BHarlan to embarrass himself along the way... ħumanUser talk:Human 20:41, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Jill Stanek blog[edit]

I think a good rule for people posting on the Stanek blog, and a good rule in general for discussions outside of RW about CP, would be to not use any jargon (even simple things like "socks" and "trolling") and to not use any slang or lolspeak. Also, most people probably don't care much about internal wikipolitics, so it's probably more useful to just link Andy quotes about ridiculous things and link ridiculous articles and lectures.

Please nobody take offense- there's some great Jinx pwnage going on over there. CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 19:53, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

My Jinxpwning skillz are rusty- how was my last comment? User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 19:56, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I added a direct link two sections above. Emperor, you got Schlaflied ;) As far the "in jokes", I think there are plenty of people just writing normally to balance them. They always make me smile - like the E getting Schlaflied. Anyone "outside" reading that is in for some head-scratching. Oh, but, yeah "sock" is not that strong of a word, at least write sockpuppet, or imposter. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:26, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Link plz? --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:00, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

CUR- [3]
Human- Oh, I think it's funny as well. And another imposter (probably) is threatening the first one with the largely defensive weapon of FBI. My idea, though, is that if you act in a serious manner you can present another person in the conservative movement with some links of Andy's ridiculousness and make them reconsider him as somebody to be associated with. CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 21:09, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
True - though this woman works for WND, so she probably admires Andy. At least someone tinyurl'd our serious article on the moron. ħumanUser talk:Human 21:17, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Already found it, and you'd think that it would have taken her a bit less than 3 years to write the entry. I'm signing under the resistor. --<choose>

<option>Input The ResistorOutput</option> <option>CoyoteOver 450 pages watched NOT including talk pages</option> <option>The Trickster</option> <option>Acionyx</option> 21:13, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

Ah, here's a good example of all the things Corry was trying to advise people to avoid:

"Back on topic, you seem to be trying to enter an alliance with Aschlafly, known to us at RationalWiki as Assfly. Believe me, you do NOT want Conservapedia as an ally. Read RationalWiki. They claim to be against censorship, page deletion, etc. Well, our irony meters go off when they talk about that, because THEY ARE THE MOST FASCIST SITE OUT THERE!"

ħumanUser talk:Human 21:20, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

(unsurprising ec) CUR, you are not making us look good. First of all, writing "Assfly" on a conservative blog probably isn't going to get you very far. Secondly, I think the goal should be to persuade people, not to merely piss them off. Yelling is rarely the answer in any situation. CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 21:21, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

CUR, in a attempt to save face for Rational Wiki, I made a implicit statement you were a troll. M'kay, or did I hurt you feelings? User:Theemperor/Sig/Sig 21:38, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm with the others, CUR. I know I can ramble on, but when I posted on her forum I was trying to stay "on message" with two simple points: 1) That Conservapedians like Jinx practice distortion even as they accuse Wikipedians of doing it, and 2) That Standek should pay less attention to the Shlafly name and more attention to Andy's actual statements/opinions/practices before deciding use him as a spokesman for conservatives. When you drop into "Assfly" references and CAPITALIZED ACCUSATIONS OF FASCISM you just turn off the casual reader and play right into Standek's stereotyping. --SpinyNorman 21:41, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Also also, CUR, the part of the post that rolls through "Read RationalWiki. They claim to be..." is some really bad writing. You introduce a new subject (RW) and then continue with a sentence beginning "They". That means you are now talking about RW, when from context, I know you're not. That post served no purpose other than to make RW look like idiots. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:06, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Good Christ CUR - first, you buggered up this site with your immature blather, and you encouraged The Emperor to be worse than he would otherwise be. Now you go offsite and misrepresent everything we try to be and do here, and encourage him there too. A silly, silly thing to do - it backfired badly on you, and now we all look like a bunch of morons. Thanks a whole lot. DogP 23:03, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
Could someone please provide a link? I have no idea where anything is. JĀvąṢ₡ä₰ hi there 23:08, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
This is what all the fuss is about. Sheesh. DogP 23:12, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

So--it's 21 April. The April Fool's Day Episode was three weeks ago; then came the Otter Episode, followed by a brief probation for the CUR. Now we have the Making Rationalwiki Look Really Stupid In The Conservative Blogosphere Episode. I'm just sayin' is all. TheoryOfPractice 23:24, 21 April 2009 (EDT)

CUR's episodes happen often enough to need a name... Thee Nuttish Talk 23:28, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
CUR's episodes happen enough that we should just promote him and slap a good long ban on him. Kiddy hour is over; it's time for adult swim. TheoryOfPractice 23:31, 21 April 2009 (EDT)
ToP, I'm with you on the promotion, doing shortly (if you haven't already). PH was hasty in demoting him. A ban, I'm not so sure. Let's face it, whatever we do here, he can still post idiocy anywhere else. I agree, kiddy time has run it's course. I'm getting tired of babysitting, did enough when I was 14. Oh, and NO, he doesn't deserve a "name" - other than "CURring a discussion back to adolescence" ħumanUser talk:Human 00:28, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I like how Jinx apologized for his inability to provide a cohesive argument. -- JArneal 00:24, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Yes, with a particularly ridiculous rant. CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 00:26, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I must say - CUR's comment caused my eyes to bleed. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 00:34, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
God effing damn it. I bookmarked that site before I went to bed so I could check the comments when I woke up. We were doing well until CUR came along, now we just look like spackos. Anyone else see a similarity between CUR and Andy? Both of them harm their own cause more than they help it. -Redbacknot Redneck 06:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

How to convince people without antagonising them[edit]

A few debate tactics I have picked up in my time picking verbal spats with my conservative friends is to not be a dick. You want to state your opinion, but also be respectful of theirs, even if you believe them to be completly and utterly misguided in what they are saying. With Ms. Stanek, the way to go would be to point out that Mr. Schlafly is so far to the right, that he is a cause for concern to people who share his political spectrum, and encourage her to read the article, or at least the key points. You do NOT want to go out calling someone a "cyber brownshirt" or a "repungantcan" over the internet, as it makes you look childish, immature, and frankly, stupid.

For that reason, CUR, you get a VERY strong wag of my finger, a la Stephen Colbert style,

JĀvąṢ₡ä₰ hi there 00:00, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm sick of CUR. He adds nothing to the site other than babysitting chores. I have promoted him, and am tempted to go one step further as mentioned by ToP. The little fucker isn't just a pain in the ass on a daily basis, he's a clueless idiot (sorry, I know he's smart, but where does he ever apply his brains?) wandering around the internet saying stupid things "in our name". I'm just about done with him. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:46, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm TheoryOfPractice, and I approve of this message. TheoryOfPractice 00:48, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
This isn't exactly the best way to make the site presentable to visitors from that blog.-- JArneal 03:18, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Without prejudice and speaking as a neutral, why do you say "I know he's smart"?-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 09:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
CUR is actually quite intelligent, he is just too immature to show it properly. - User \pi 09:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm inclined to believe you, but how do we know? I think you are more intelligent than him.-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 09:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I would be at least 10 years older than him, so that would account for a lot of that. How do we know anything about each other really all we can see are the handles we are each using. - User \pi 09:54, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Sure. I was just curious if there was any particular reason because I've seen people say it in a few places.-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 10:01, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
'Cause he's a smart kid--and it helps to remind him that we're often pissed off at his actions, not who he is. If, say, Human did something stupid, one could say "Human, you idiot!" and Human would know that meant "Human, what you just did there was kinda dumb," and not "Human, you are a stupid and bad person all-around." It doesn't work the same way with an obviously young person like CUR. TheoryOfPractice 10:12, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
You guys make me feel young. Neveruse513 10:21, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

100 POINTZ!!!!![edit]

To whomever can get Jinx to publically call them a "mouth breather" over on Jill's blog. Ace McWickedbitch and moan 00:50, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Or even better, to accuse them of having "penisbone stuffed butts." CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 00:52, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Looks like Jinx realised I was impersonating him. Gotta hand it to him, he's pretty clever if he saw through me that quick. I thought it was so funny, but I guess the joke's on me. Daust 05:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Sorry, what the fuck are you talking about? Ace McWickedbitch and moan 05:47, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
We know it is you Jinx, having an account here will get you banned by TK again. - User \pi 06:39, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Too late to add anything to the Stanek forum - she closed off comments. Thanks, CUR. --SpinyNorman 10:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

In fairness to CUR, and I'm the last person to be so, I think she closed off comments because of the degeneration into a Rant-A-Thon between TK and everyone else. But on the way to the theatre, TK actually claimed he did NOT create he really claimed that. Why? Why be such an obvious liar? Here's the site again from the Wayback machine, btw. DogP 11:38, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
You would almost think TK was on his way to beatification he's so pure and fair. We all know (well those who were involved at the time) that TK created, but he did so anonymously so he can deny it. The real lulz is that some of the stuff that he posted was in fact a fabrication, in-jokes which he took at face value, but he has continued to promulgate them as true ever since. Of course in his world (or the world he likes to project to his fellow dunces) the only forgeries and fabrications are about him! The sheer weight of documentation about TK's machinations is so overwhelming that you would have to believe that RW gnomes are working 24/7 on this stuff for no apparent reason. TK's whole modus operandi is based on deniability, that's why he always wants to take stuff off-wiki and into private communication so that if anything is later revealed then it must be a forgery. One point where TK was quite disingenuous was claiming that "AmesG a Bureaucrat there, did have personal integrity, and agreed my personal information should be removed." In reality, TK blackmailed Ames into removing the info and rather than continue here Ames was obliged to quit as he couldn't be held responsible for the actions of other RW-ians over which he had no control. Ames was a great contributor here and I for one miss his contributions and wholeheartedly blame TK for his exit. However, Ames probably gets more recognition with his blog than he ever would have done here. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 15:43, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Policy on vandalism[edit]

If as stated on the JilStanek blog comments "The website has never endorsed vandalism", why do do the wigo instructions state in caps, do not expose vandalism here. Personally, I'd like to know that the views expressed on conservapedia are genuine — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Because some of us think it's funny, and it spoils the fun when we (as we proofread for them) find it first and trumpet it here. IOW, if someone is taking the piss at CP, we usually notice it first, which, as I said, spoils the fun. PS, "vandalism"? No, it's usually parody. It also says "unnoticed vandalism". Again I say, it's not our job to patrol CP better than their sysops do. But, sadly and funnily enough, we do. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:14, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
It is the administrators of CP's job to keep their place clean, we are not here to point out the mess. Also we don't want WIGO to be a place of advertisement for the lame. - User \pi 02:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
There's simply no official policy regarding vandalism, whether in favour or against (same goes for many other things, actually). You'll find many differing opinions about the subject from established users. NightFlare 02:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
The site has little official policies on anything even the running of the site. There are few membership requirements and we neither endorse nor condemn the behaviour of our users on non-RationalWiki sites. If some people who choose to be affiliated with us also choose to vandalise another site we are not going to disassociate them. I don't care to much for it but neither am I going to go through the list of users altering their rights and blocking them just because they have a pro-vandalism position. - User \pi 02:52, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I can say from personal experience that Conservapedia has no appreciation for people who try to help it, if those people disagree in any way with Conservapedia's viewpoints. In fact, I was blocked from Conservapedia for attempting to improve (and protect) the site. This is the case with many other users here.-- JArneal 03:15, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
In a way, we just fulfill the role assigned to us by CP: By banning us for the most bizarre and hypocritical reasons, the CP sysops made it very clear that our input is not appreciated. So we (basically) only mock sysop idiocy (including pointing out their silly mistakes - which practically no sysop knows how to be thankful for). Why should we point out that a parodist has just inserted something like "Cottage cheese was invented by William Cottage during the 1856 Republican National Convention"? CP banned so many people that practically nobody is left to fight such things. It's an important lesson of action and consequence they have to learn. They can't merrily ban everybody and then expect them to keep doing their dirty work while the sysops can relax and focus on demonizing liberals some more.
Here, let me illustrate just how unwelcome we are: Mentioning this site by name (which is hard enough because the word "RationalWiki" has been blacklisted) on CP leads to a ban. Being a member here leads to a ban on CP. Several random vandals or parodists using a proxy were (wrongly) "identified" as being RW Member X. Entire cities and ISPs have been rangebanned because certain RW users lived there. In at least one case, living in the wrong country led to a "This is RW Member Y" ban.
Sorry, but as banned CP members, we already do WAY more for CP than they deserve. They can sort out their parody on their own. --Sid 06:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Primarily, remember that they claim to be "The Trustworthy Encyclopedia". Which is clearly a joke when many have tried repeatedly to insert uncontroversial, widely accepted facts into their articles, improving them, and are banned. CP talks the talk, but unquestionably does not walk the walk when it comes to 'Trustworthiness' - their entire project is essentially articles of opinion, assertion, lies and damned lies. Eventually, the villagers stop listening to the shepherd crying wolf and just ignore him. DogP 11:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I have argued many times that vandalism is largely in the eye of the beholder. Deleting pages and replacing them with "MOAR HITLER" or uploading porn may be regarded as outright vandalism but when parody is accepted and even welcomed because it belittles atheists and liberals the whole dividing line about what is acceptable becomes indistinct. Incorrect "facts" and disinformation are routinely inserted by Andy et al, however other "facts" and disinformation are regarded as vandalism solely because they are inserted by the "opposition". The question ultimately is who is the arbiter of truth? Liberal vandalism therefore becomes anything with which they don't agree whether it was added in good faith or not. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 15:55, 22 April 2009 (EDT)


I just noticed in the CP block log, that ETrundel got an "infinite" banhammering by 'Prof'. Jensen. As far as I can see, the crime was pointing out on the 17th that some articles had been *gasp* copied wholesale from other sources without attribution. Now it would appear that ETrundel was all along a "vandal/troll/troublemaker" per the block reason. What gives? Taytopacket 07:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

ETrundel's entire block log looks funny: A one-week block on the 17th (I guess for what you said), and a few days before the block expires, it becomes permanent. Nice, RJJ! Good to see TK's lessons start to pay off! --Sid 07:24, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Come on Professor you now need to burn his pages and protect them to prevent recreation. - User \pi 07:27, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
And don't forget the /16 rangebans of all IP blocks used by him. --Sid 07:34, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I don't think the good Prof of Copy-Paste liked being told that even if it was copied from a govt site, it still needs acknowledgement. Also good to see the good prof swilling down the Koolaid.--PsyGremlinWhut? 08:01, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
It's depressing that a supposed academic doesn't know the distinction between copyright infringement and plagiarism. Pseudomonas 08:33, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
What's really depressing is all of you running your pie holes, and not understanding Jensen copied his OWN work over to CP!. That is why he placed the copy notice on the article talk page. He clearly stated they were his original works, originally placed on Citizendum and Wikipedia. You people reveal with every post what small minded and petty jerks you are. I wonder how quickly this post will vanish and what lame-ass excuses you will dream up to explain your ignorance? Certainly you are all to small to actually admit your mistake and apologize, sincerely apologize. [[User:ColinR|ColinR ]] User:TK— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
Strange why has a BON signed as ColinR, nobody has seen him in more than a year? Anyway we are discussing information taken from government websites, not the stuff Prof took from his work at Citzendium or Wikipedia. - User \pi 09:08, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Actually Pseudomonas it wasn't RJJensen plagiarising it was other people, you seem to have confused the blocker with the people he was blocking for. - User \pi 09:16, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Seriously BON, cool yer jets. ETrundel apparently got the banhammer (predictably) for pointing out that Aschlafly and DeborahB were the culprits. I suspect the plagiarism occurred during one of the "contests." Thee Nuttish Talk 10:27, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Terry, if you want to use a networking sharing device (anonymous proxy) fine. But don't sign someone else's name to your posts. And as far as apologize, you need to apologize for all your gross actions: working to recruit RW members to covertly undermine CP, leaking info from the special discussion group then opening it to everyone, making the site, then lying about it, and so much more. Your holier than thou attitude is false, we who know you know you are not in the least bit religious. faker. 13:55, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Anyway, ETrundel has been burned by DeanS. Unless he did it off wiki, I can't see him pointing out that it was Andy... Amusingly, his last contribs were vandalism reverts.

See him do it right here. Thee Nuttish Talk 14:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
*looks at creation date of that article* HA! June 23, 2007! You know what that was? That was CP's Article Creation Record Attempt! The day the copy-pasting went totally overboard (and paved the way for the Team Contest announced later that month - which, as you might guess, was also full of copypasting)! --Sid 15:04, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Wow, I wish my memory was as good as yours Sid! - Refugeetalk page 16:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I wish I could say that I just happened to know the exact date, but no. :P I did recognize the "Swamp Cooler" name, though, and checked our CP Timeline. There I spotted the Team Contest announcement, and the rest clicked into place (Guess who happened to be the idiot with way too much free time to parse all those article creations for the record attempt and the contest back then? :P). --Sid 16:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Special Relativity in The Bible[edit]

Help! I can't find special relativity in the bible! I've looked and looked, but no go. I thought if the good book had something to say about it, it might help me understand light being instantiated already on its way to earth 6,000 years ago. All I could find was Jesus condemning a fig tree to death. Does this apply in this case? Jimaginator 08:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Possibly, was the fig tree moving at speeds close to the speed of light? - User \pi 08:54, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
As long as the speed of light is variable, I would say yes. Jimaginator 09:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Oh lordy I'm enjoying the relativity discussions immensely. Andy's not even having the same conversation as these others - he's just attacking what he takes to be their rhetorical styles, turning it all into a boneheaded metaconversation that's now made itself to the other side of town riding the short bus. Andy just simply seems incapable of getting into his thick skull that Einstein doesn't give 2 drips of piss whether the speed of light changed over time for purposes of the relativity theories, though I'm sure he cares plenty for other reasons. The only thing that matters is that the speed of light is a constant from one inertial frame to another. It's what's so counterintuitive and thrilling about the theory and its consequences. I think Andy honestly just doesn't get it, and since it's science by a flaky 20th century Jew it must be awfully scary to him. Sad really. Thee Nuttish Talk 10:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Make me think of the time Assfly asked Roger if he had a proof of Goldbach's conjecture lying around. Lots of things make me think of that... Neveruse513 10:41, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Links? larronsicut fur in nocte 11:02, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Eh...I guess it was Twin Primes. Not as funny as I remember it...damn you. Neveruse513 11:13, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks nonetheless! And I found the current discussion, here larronsicut fur in nocte 11:20, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
"If your approach is to rely on authoritative, time-tested sources, Clement, then why haven't you been quoting the Bible during your many edits to this site?" In a science discussion? Fantastic! I call it the Schlafly Biblical-Citation Quota. PubliusTalk 11:40, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Exactly my point. If the bible says nothing about relativity, it can't be used as a reference. Why bring it up? Oh Ass-a-fly-boy, do you even understand the convoluted web you weave? 12:19, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Of note, Publius didn't add any emphasis to his quote. That was there in the original. --Shagie 16:16, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

A possibly interesting clue in all of this: Andy changed the wording (after repeated prodding from Clement, this was as big a compromise as he was able to muster) to "the speed of light can never be increased". Aside from the peculiar wording (is the speed of light something that outside agents force on it? Are those outside forces thereby forbidden to make it increase? I thought light traveled at whatever speed it wants, and we just observe it.), he allows that it might decrease but just never increases. To see the significance of this, look at [4]. Fundies claim that it decreased, in accordance with the needs of the "starlight problem" and all that YEC crap. So perhaps Andy is looking at this from a biblical fundie perspective, and wants to be sure, above all, that the lecture's wording is consistent with this. That's why he is so adamant about this little point. But he doesn't want to be seen saying so openly in the lecture. After all, we wouldn't want the SES folks seeing that, would we? Gauss 14:28, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

(Beware: Incoming rant due to trigger-word trauma) Oh dear GOD, it's the return of c-decay and the starlight problem! *vomits in a bucket* It's something even Creationists dismiss as wrong, and yet Philip was eager to bring up the persecution complex just to get yet another shot at non-Creationists. See article and talk page on aSK. Also see me butting heads with Ken years ago here. Somewhat more on-topic, it wouldn't surprise me if Andy was secretly clinging to something like this. It's sciency-sounding and doesn't any sort of relativistic time dilation and crap like that. Blargh. Now excuse me while I bash my head against a wall. --Sid 14:54, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Andy's first version was the speed of light never changes. Not resembling the actual postulate, but not wrong, neither.
I suppose that Andy mixed speed of light in the vacuum and speed of light in a medium. While the first is a unchanging constant, the second isn't: and, interestingly enough, a static and a moving observer measure different velocities for the speed of light in a medium...
So, I think, Andy has heard that light is slower in a dense medium and wants to cover for that. Unfortunately, he knows less about physics than Einstein & co. ....
larronsicut fur in nocte 16:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
OK, I couldn't read "dense medium" one more time without mentioning that Andy may not know his physics, but he is an expert on dense media. He even keeps a pristine sample weighing several pounds on top of his spinal column for reference. ħumanUser talk:Human 19:02, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
In that medium, the speed of light is three furlongs per fortnight. --Gulik 19:20, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Thanks Gulik, I failed at coming up with the punch line. Yours is perfect. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:35, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
It's still a bizarre line of thought for Andy's standards; the actual postulate doesn't contradict or support his belief of variable speed of light, the interpretation formerly found in the lecture did contradict it and the current interpretation allows specifically something Andy wants to be true.
I could sorta see where he was going with the originally incorrect postulate; Make relativity into an evolution-creationism issue where he'll use political Andrethoric© to discredit for whatever reason. The current version, however, doesn't do that and at this point it looks like Andy is bashing something that to a careless reader seems to support his "the speed of light was faster before" argument. NightFlare 20:36, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Not enough sysops[edit]

Looks like they're paying the price for driving away most of the sysops. Someone called JamesY has been on a bit of a spree.-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 11:03, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Quite the rampage; over an hour. The sysops were asleep at the banhammer. Prof just got him, though. Taytopacket 11:10, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
They need to let the guard dog back out of his kennel.-- Kriss AkabusiAAAWOOOGAAAR!!1 11:16, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
lol...what a dolt. Neveruse513 11:17, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
It's too much to believe. My spidersense is tingling. Thee Nuttish Talk 11:23, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
LOL! Look whose edit this reverted to. (MexMax for the terminally idle) ToastToastand marmite 11:26, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
According to PJR article, Andy has never figured out how to operate Guard Dog. Who is the expert-in-residence at CP, now that PJR has left? larronsicut fur in nocte 11:42, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Andy thanks teh Prof for (eventually) cleaning up the mess [5]. But, can anyone speak fluent Assfly? I don't understand his dig: "You might observe that vandalism is almost perfectly correlated with products of the political left". Please to translate, kthnxbai. Taytopacket 11:56, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Tay, I was about to comment on that, I think that line of Andy's is basically exploiting a tautology of his own creation. (1) Define any comment by a liberal as vandalism. (2) Block. (3) Isn't it amazing that all vandalism is liberal?-Diadochus 12:00, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
From what I have noticed TerryH is/was the main user of GuardDog. Like several sysops he doesn't contribute much on site but feels fiercely protective of it so only drops in to wield the banhammer. He probably just left GD running all the time and let it do it's thing. However, the recent rabid attack was probably casued by their upgrading of the MediaWiki software. Certain pages are displayed differently (most noticeably the satistics page). I suspect that PJR's code expected a certain layout of the recent changes page and it has mis-parsed the updated format. I strongly suspect that because of this GuardDog has now been chained up. I'm sure they'd like to get PJR to either update the programme or hand over the source code but considering how he has been treated you can hardly blame him for not helping them out. Also he has probably got enough work at the mement getting his own wiki up and running.
Whatever happened to the aim of making CP into a family-friendly encyclopedia? With the exception of RJJensen, Jessica and Joquin the sysops don't actually do much constructive work over there, it's all a siege mentality and they have to protect their viewpoints at all cost. The only stuff that any of them do contribute is usally to make some political point and thereby vindicates the accusation that CP is nothing more than Andy's blog, albeit with some assistance from a bunch of similar-minded dolts. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 12:31, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
PJR gives a few hints about his program:
  • it was written in Delphi
  • it needed to run on a Windows computer, with Internet Explorer installed
So, it seems to be fairly basic, perhaps just looking at ...
With the update, the underlying html has changed: the tags used got new properties which will mess with the detection of the edits. I suppose that some regexs have to be tweaked...
larronsicut fur in nocte 12:50, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I've dabbled a bit with Delphi, and somewhere on the web there's a programme of mine waiting to be downloaded. Delphi is good for RAD (much better than Visual Basic) but never took off in a big way. So it is unlikely that even any of the computer literate types at CP (is that an oxymoron or just plain moron) would actually have a copy. In which case they'd have to stump up $500 or more for a license to compile their own version (they wouldn't use a pirated copy surely?). Alternatively they would have to find a MediaWiki solution. I'm sure Trent or Nx (and probably half a dozen other editors here - after all we are the alleged black hats of wiki hacking and spider click-bots) could knock something up for them after all we have the Vandal Bin. The irony is that TK accuses us of promoting vandalism yet I believe that Trent has offered several times to help them make their site more secure. Redchuck.gif Генгисmarauding 15:02, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I'm not saying it's big or clever but they're getting a LOT of vandalism tonight. TK found some IPs he hasn't blocked yet so, panic over. The vandals won't be back now. StarFish 14:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

MSN Poll[edit]

When I looked at that Obama poll, there had been more than 2 million votes, 42% of which were votes to give Obama an F. You think that Conservapedia somehow motivated more than 800,000 people to take an online poll? Bluefish 12:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

I suppose that sites like freerepublic and littlegreenfootballs had a greater impact than conservapedia.
Gentlemen! I will loll your precious pizza, enabling me to destroy atheism on the internet. You should all be swimming over Operation document, which will likely give Conservapedia a top result on a certain search engine starting with G.

Gentlemen who purport to be rational,

It is possibly the case that your attitudes are somewhat silly. In regards to the subject of abortion and the French Revolution, you censor that the flow of visitors to the Conservapedia theory of evolution article is respectable and has been respectable. In fact, by my birthday, it is likely Evolution will have lost all vestiges of credibility. :) :) :)

Rest assured, Operation Flying Fortresses is gathering steam!!! Perhaps, if you agree to the debate, the Hispanic ladies might finally believe you have machismo...



Just for the record a rather more scientific (and less rigged) selection of polls can be found here - note that Obama gets somewhere over 60% approval in the vast majority. Silver Sloth 13:59, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I can't necessarily condemn the wingnuts for rigging the MSNBC poll since I was involved in the name the NASA node poll-fixing. However, I think that most of their complaints are more he's a democrat than actual policies. Just like the ignorant fucks at the teabagging events who were complaining about raising taxes when 95% of America will get lower taxes. ENorman 17:09, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
From what I understand, wasn't it a futile mission from the start to name the module the "Colbert" as Stephen Colbert is still alive? --Vtalk 17:11, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Everyone knew it was futile for countless other reasons, but I'm damned if it wasn't fun and hilarious. And he got a treadmill out of it, didn't he? PubliusTalk 17:29, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
The Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill, yes. (Bluefish, not signed in)
Interesting to me is that most of the votes were either an A or an F. Not real surprising, since anyone who bothers answering a netpoll already has a strong opinion, but a good sign how useless they are. (I give him a C currently. Would've been a B before he decided to wash his hands of prosecuting BushCo's war crimes.) --Gulik 19:25, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Strikeout Humor[edit]

Jinx is now trying to use strikeout humor after Andy and TK decided that it is a good thing for the encyclopedia. The subtlety of his humor is something to behold. CorryNo, what I'm calling you is a television actor. 18:22, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

How much longer before they begin their news posts with "MOAR:" and "UPDATE:"?-- JArneal 23:23, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Just who is this flag-wrapper?

Is Karajou on Wonkette?[edit]

Check out this "inspirational video" of a Murfreesboro "tea party" - at Wonkette. Is that everyone's favorite angry, underachieving-but-egomaniacal bigot?-Diadochus 22:37, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Uh, which one? Jorge 22:44, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
I'm guessing the guy in orange? I've only ever seen that one blurry pic.-Diadochus 22:49, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
That video is...just....just...FANTASTIC! Amazing. I always wonder about these people - in theory, if they want less tax, then surely the logical extension of their position is that they want no tax, right? So I'm guessing they're going to be perfectly happy when the fucking bridges start self-destructing and the roads become impassable, yeah? Twerps. DogP 23:30, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Karajerk is in Tennessee right? btw, did Wonkette win that best blog compo? --PsyGremlinWhut? 05:52, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
If that is him, then I have to say that my mind's eye image was way off. Granted what I had in mind was a totally unreal caricature. Despite how long he served, I could only picture him as younger. He was always also perpetually dressed in a Villiage People-esque Navy dress uniform even while patrolling CP. --Edgerunner76Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter 08:24, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
I always saw him as this grotesque Big Daddy Roth style cartoon with a pot belly and tiny little sailor hat, drooling as he punched at the ban key. But I realize that may have been slightly off in some details. --Kels 08:42, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
I always thought of him as slightly overweight, balding and with a permanent sour expression - even when we were on the same side, long ago. Totnesmartin 10:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Wonkette DID win the blog competition (yay Wonketeers!). But yeah, I'm not sure anymore if this is Karajou... I know Kara lives in Murfreesboro or whatever, but the orange guy looks a little too put-together and respectable to be Karajou. Where's that old blurry picture of him?-Diadochus 01:23, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

This all brings up a good point. What is our image of those at CP? At least for those who don't offer up pictures like Jessica or Ed. For that matter, what is our image of the people here? Aboriginal Noise Punkrock 15:18, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

I'd prefer not to be reminded of that picture of Ed, thank you. So much for sleeping tonight. --Kels 21:25, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
This was my take on TK from a while back. Still holds true. Happy for anyone to put a quick link in whenever The Loser himself comes trolling. Matt 22:21, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Well, ever since this guy put the image in my head, I've thought of  K e n  D o l l  as Dr. Weird. Which is a bit of a disappointment, truth be told, because I much preferred this skillfully made image which would pop to mind whenever I was reading his drivel. -Redbacknot Redneck 22:49, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Karajou: Some generic guy in a white naval dress uniform, the petty officer version, which I know is ironic since he likely never made it that far, but that's sort of my impression of generic navymen in general. Screams a lot to try and sound authoritative. Conservative: tall, gaunt -- spends too much time editing his pet articles or e-mailing to eat much -- very quiet (see previous statement), haughty tone when he does speak due to a general know-it-all-attitude, but oddly/relatively youngish looking despite his age, probably because he's so immature he doesn't seem to age much. You know the types I talk about. TK: that description of him being a pissy office worker is eerily close to how I pictured him. Photovoltaic Array 00:11, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Ken strikes again[edit]

Ken is perhaps the only man on the planet unable to spell four tildes. AlanE 23:44, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Ken is, er, "special". Please don't mock him. Much. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:50, 22 April 2009 (EDT)
Two years as a sysop and he still has not mastered the basics. He of course never edits the homosexuality article. - User \pi 23:56, 22 April 2009 (EDT)

Or his own name. Publis

If you changed it as often as he did you would too. - User \pi 00:02, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Speaking of  K e n  D o l l , I'm watching (barely) the new South Park ep. Was that a shout out to Ken when Eric Cartman said "Gentlemen"? I think so. Evolution and atheism are so about to be pwned on the entire internet. ħumanUser talk:Human 00:09, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Epic episode btw.-Diadochus 00:15, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
He mightn't edit, as such, the Homosexuality article but but have a look at this one. There's a storm brewing. AlanE 01:16, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Yes, fine episode of SP. Loved that last scene. DogP 02:07, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Don't be so pathetic. OncomingStorm
I thought you weren't going to edit here anymore Jinx hi Jinx!. Better be careful - TK and Jessica watch this like a hawk and she also blocks at the drop of a hat. --PsyGremlinWhut? 07:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

TK line sound familiar?[edit]

In his update to the main page TK used the following text...

Obama: "Economy is growing rapidly"

...Isn't that a line we often use to mock Andy? I wonder if the choice of wording was deliberate. As far as I can tell, despite using quotation marks, it isn't a direct quote from Obama. StarFish 05:41, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

The origin of that line is actually CP itself: See the first revision of Template:Mainpageleft (Historical note: Before Mainpageleft and Mainpageright, CP used different templates. So the phrase is actually even older than that.) Of course, whether or not TK used the phrase intentionally (and if yes, with what intention) is unknown (to me). --Sid 06:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Who won WWI?[edit]

So, who won the Great War? While the vote is still ongoing, here are the first results:

1: no one (No one really won the war, but some countries gained land and enforced laws upon other countries to their advantage. Britain, France, Russia, and America gained more power and land than any other country, but they all lost a large amount of men in World War I)

2: the Allies (Militarily, the Allies (especially the United States) won the war.)

3: no one (Nobody really won the war, but you could say the allies came out with less debts to pay.)

5: perhaps no one, but lost by Bulgaria and Ottomans, draw for Germany (Some would say no one really won, the Ottoman turks and Bulgaria surrendered and the Germany signed an armistice. )

6: the Allies (The Allies won World War I.)

10: Triple Entente (The Triple Entente won World War I)

13: no one (In the end, no one won World War I. )

16: no one (World War I was never really won by any one nation or anyone. )

19: the Allies (Some would say that no one won because everyone lost millions of men, but the allied forces ultimately did win)

Unfortunately - but not surprisingly - all these answers are wrong: The western allied forces won, the former member of the Triple Entente, Russia lost (and suffered the greatest losses of men and land). And yes, Germany lost. Really. Austria-Hungary, too. Im Felde unbesiegt (not beaten in the battle) was just a propaganda lie which many Germans loved to believe... larronsicut fur in nocte 12:41, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Just be thankful no-one said 'USA', though I'd be surpirsed if we have that luxury when the next homework comes in. After all, we can't have patriotic Americans knowing that the Soviets won the war in Europe (which was easily the most important and symbolic of the two theatres). EddyP 13:31, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Some have Argued that WW1 and WW2 should really be considered one Conflict. Others go Further and maintain that the Conflict ended with the fall of the USSR.--Tolerance 14:26, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
There is some Credence to that View. Certainly, WWII would not have Happened if not for WWI, although it is entirely Possible that the Cold War would still have happened in some Form or another without the previous Two. (How's my capitalisation, btw?) Bondurant 14:35, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Perfect to my Eyes.--Tolerance 14:39, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Indeed, it could even be argued that the conflict originally began with the Franco-Prussian war, with the rapid victory in it leading to increased German militarism and French desire for revenge (something not remember well at this point is that French military doctrine in WWI centered on attacking at all costs, though much like the German emphasis on double-envelopment on a grand scale as the primary way to win a war, this doctrine died a brutal and bloody death as the war ground on past the first engagements). However, I think an argument could even be made that WWI and WWII were the culmination of European conflicts going back to the 843 treaty of Verdun that divided the Holy Roman Empire between Charlemagne's three grandsons into basically France, Germany, and a disputed, dis-united, polyglot region in between that France and Germany then fought for control over over the next thousand years. That's the problem with history, though - there is always a preceding cause, and it is hard to know when to stop the explanatory narrative. Kaalis 16:10, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
2000 years ago - in 9 A.D. - the Germans destroyed the Roman expedition forces in the wp:Battle of the Teutoburg Forest. The reason for this is obvious: Humor was only invented ca. 20 years later in the Middle East, so the dumb Germans couldn't understand that their more civilized neighbours didn't insult them, but just poked a little fun. That's the begin of WWII - and that's why Germans don't have any humor and stick to the marvelous advice don't mention the war. larronsicut fur in nocte 16:58, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Have you been snooping in my hard drive? You just summarized the thesis on which I was planning to write my history dissertation! And I thought I had hit on the perfect topic, as the liberal atheist evolutionists had been teaching historians to ignore such obvious explanations of complex historical events! Kaalis 17:20, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Andy makes it all clear in Lecture 12:

"Just as the American soldiers had defeated Germany in World War I, the Americans did it again (this time with help from the Soviet Union)."LateralQuercus 17:31, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

"These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day." Mega 23:21, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

How to fight Communism[edit]

Stalwart DuncanB has the answer! "Anti-communist indoctrination for all". EddyP 13:35, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

I thought that was what public schools already did. -Lardashe
No, they go more in the other direction; I have seen school classrooms practically wallpapered with posters from these people here. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 14:25, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

A Question[edit]

Is it appropriate to make a post that covers three pages of MS Word (over 1100 words) and includes e-mails here? It is relevant to recent happenings at CP, but it's somewhat long. EddyP 14:45, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Why not just create it in your own space and link to it here? Thee Nuttish Talk 14:51, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

FTW. Thee Nuttish Talk 22:15, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

The Life and Crimes of ETrundel[edit]

Here. Please to discuss. EddyP 15:04, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Nice page. Thanks for sharing the e-mails with us. For those of us who have never gone in deep cover it's interesting to see what goes on. StarFish 15:53, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Even RJJ. Damn... ENorman 18:15, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
Goodonya! I still can't forgive you for that squash court design, however. I tittered over it for days. Way to go Ed. AlanE 18:18, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
That explains a bit about RJJ. I always wondered how a professor of history could stand being in that toxic environment. I always assumed it was mercenary; he just wanted another place to place and promote his own articles. Yet his unwillingness to challenge Andy's lectures, address any of the injustices wrought upon users, and disregard for the rules suggest more jackassery. Also, good(?) to see that FP and I pretty much destroyed anyone's chances of getting block rights. PubliusTalk 18:32, 23 April 2009 (EDT)