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Parking tickets

So how the hell do you define a Legitimate ISP? (See CP recent changes at 10.22)That's the whole of Kings College London blocked as well! At this rate the only chance to contribute will be to go Norf of the River to find an internet cafe that's "legitimate." Mick McT 12:49, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

And all I did was point out that American diplomats don't pay parking tickets Just as most other diplomats invoke diplomatic immunity for their parking fines. What with that and being banned for pointing out to Ed P that there was a chance that I knew more about traditional English passtimes than he did, it's enough to make me go and open a bottle of very nice Greek wine Mick McT 12:54, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Never disagree with a sysop! TK is trying to block the whole world and Ed Poor will certainly block anyone knows more than he does. Broccoli 13:13, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Same thing, really. --Kels 13:19, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Same thing, really. Beaten. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 13:20, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Ah, but if you'd pointed out that it was teh ebil Democrat diplomats, you'd have been home dry.--PsyGremlin_Whut? 13:40, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Ahhh fuck you TK for removing that comment. I would love to have seen Andy squirm around trying to justify the US embassy staff not paying while the UN has to. Fuck it, TK, your a fuckwit. Ace McWicked^Revolt 16:20, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

America has a lot of unpaid dues the UN. Just consider these tickets to be credit towards paying that off. -Barikada.

Jesus fucking christ. How many people are there even talking to each other over there?! Seems like a tiny circle jerk between TK and his pals. What, half a dozen people get blocked for asserting facts. Beautiful. Cock gobblers.CPNuisance 21:21, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Conservative Spin Doctor Needed - Stat!

Because Bristol Palin's apparently going to stay an unwed single mother. She deserves her privacy as does the baby and the father, but the story of Bristol "I don't think abstinence-only education works" Palin will continue to be some uncomfortable baggage Sarah will have to carry into any future national campaigns. --SpinyNorman 13:37, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Gosh Darnit, and here I thought those crazy kids were gonna make it. --ScottA 15:25, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

I am happy for them, in that they are at least getting to determine their own futures rather than being forced to do what other people want. Sad for them as a couple, of course, but they are still young. ħuman 00:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Better they break up now rather than go through life miserable. SirChuckB^{Whatever happened to Skip It?} 00:26, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Anyone know who Bristol's favorite Jonas brother is? She is a foxy momma. Jorge 14:42, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

The Force (of reason) is strong with this one!

(Vader TK adjusts his control sticks, checking his projected targeting screen.) "I have you now!"

Looks like Darth K-der is preparing to pick off the last of the Rebel Reasonable contributors... --SpinyNorman 19:26, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

It'll take more than that to get rid of her, I think. -- JArneal 19:43, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

It will, but this is the first time anyone's accused her of liberal deceit, and he's really reaching to try and make her clarification out to be L.D. This sure seems like the beginning of some focused harassment to drive Hsmom off the site. The TK purge continues... --SpinyNorman 20:06, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Wow, Jpatt is not as insane as I though he was. - User $\pi$ 20:10, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

I suppose it all depends on Hsmom's breaking point. Eventually she'll get sick of TK's constant annoyances. The second she posts anything remotely questioning TK's motives, she's gone.-- JArneal 20:22, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

TK's already offed Tim, so he's aiming for the other sane person there. Denise will probably go afterwards, and if he can actually pull it off, PJR will be axed. Aussie's held on for a long time though, and will be tougher to crack than the others. ENorman 20:42, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

So is TK's plan simply to ban all users except himself and Andy and Ed? And as for the Aussie, my guess is that PJR will simply get disgusted by one of TK's ejaculations, and leave. On the other hand, this hasn't happened, yet.--Simple 23:15, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

PJR will stay until either TK becomes a Bureaucrat and strips him of powers, or Andy purges all the YEC nonsense from the site. PJR has that much in common with Ken, CP is a sandbox where he can pretend YEC is actually science, without the "little fish in a large pond" effect of CreationWiki or wherever. --Kels 23:52, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

A stealthy policy change- is it technically against the rules to be on RW?

TK sneaks it in. I'm sure this will be viewed as official policy. Corry^{Then there's me. The joker. The goofball. The magician.} 22:23, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

AND THE TRAITROUS DOGS OF EASTASIA (is handed slip of paper by official) I REPEAT- THE VILE SLANDERERS FROM EURASIA... And then the crowd roared, for the poster around the square declared our war against Eastasia were obvious plants by Goldman, since Eastasia was, had been, and would be our staunches ally, and the heathers from Eurasia had always and forevermore resisted the grace and power of Oceania, and the crowd surged forth and tore down and trampled the posters, and all evidence of a war with Eastasia had been destroyed, like it never was. The Emperor_{Kneel before Zod!} 22:36, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

"All animals are created equal, but some animals are created more equal than others." Smyth 12:43, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Wow the whole anti-RW thing is getting ugly over there. Why do they care so much they are all welcome here any time, we already have about 3 sysops in common now. - User $\pi$ 23:22, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

Not a policy change, just TK exploiting semantics: They won't ban you for anything you say here - they will ban you for existing here. Of course, this completely goes against the spirit of that Difference With WP, but it's not like that matters since anybody who points this out will be banned for something else. After all, you break, like, five different rules by doing any Action X and ten others by not doing that Action X. By now, the written and unwritten policies are so complex and mutually contradicting (not even to mention that they are scattered all over the place by now to the degree that not even I can easily find all of them - and I was there to see every single one being written!) that they can simply be summed up as "Do what you like, we'll ban you sooner or later, anyway." --Sid 23:35, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

The MYOB policy is that any where but in the block excuses (the reason for blocks are always "you are smarter than me and I am losing the argument"), is it even on the dropdown list? - User $\pi$ 23:50, 12 March 2009 (EDT)

It started out on Dean's user page, where he posted the made-up rules he'd use to ban people. Then it became quasi-policy. I think it was smuggled into some guideline at some point, but I can't find it right now (and it's 5am here, so I won't look further for now). --Sid 00:00, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

If you want to see a more noticeable rule tweak by TK, take his "I don't have to cite sources if it's about something I really believe in, because those things are obviously true." comment. --Sid 00:03, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Come on, folks! Policy doesn't matter. Why are we even discussing whether they make up policy as they go along, or where they hide the rules and policies? Their policies are defined as whatever their actions are at any given instant. And their actions are whatever they feel like at any given instant. Of course, the drop-down menu can't list all possible reasons for what they feel like, so they just use "liberal vandalism" or "liberal trolling" or whatever. But basically, it's now a free-for-all over there. Gauss 00:35, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

That's as may be, but despite his recent shenanigans TK STILL hasn't discovered or blocked ANY of my remaining three deep-cover socks. And now, back to work over there. DogP 02:04, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't think Conservapedia's policies can be said to have any "technicalities" to them. They were always nothing more than blunt force instruments. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 02:07, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I dunno, I think that once upon a time, after a glass of wine too many, Andy actually had a vision of a better 'cylopedia than WP. And his early policies were supposed to engender this fine goal. Of course, implicit in his worldview is the disaster we see today... ħuman 03:10, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

He may have had that vision briefly but as soon as he started doing stuff he fell into his present role as alpha troll and has done nothing but fullfill the obligations of that office since-- I believe that began on day two. This is an indicator that TK knows CP needs RW as much as RW obviously needs CP. ^Me!Sheesh!_Mine! 09:37, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

New practice! They now seem to be routinely oversighting (deep, deep, deep burning) edits they don't like.

These seem to be instigated by Jessica and TK. But, since they don't have oversight powers, they have to get someone like Jallen to do the deed. The stuff by Hsmom above, for example, seems to have had this happen to it. And a few other things I have just noticed. The investigation continues ..... Gauss 00:29, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

On a slightly related note, it's weird watching my edit count at CP slowly drop. One upon a time, it was just over 3000 (IIRC). Last autumn when I was active again, it was in the low 2000s... now it's fallen to just under 2000. Of course, a major factor at first was the burning of fellow travellers' user talk pages, but the attrition is still going on. ħuman 00:56, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

("CP doesn't censor", they say. Yeah, and I'm the guy who forged Obama's birth certificate.) That Site is shrinking Rapidly! --Gulik 02:37, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Does anybody know what stuff by Hsmom was taken out? larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 04:13, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, what stuff? I just compared my cache version of six hours ago with the current one and didn't see any missing edits up until a week ago (at which point I stopped checking). It sounds somewhat unlikely that they'd actually oversight posts by Hsmom, even though I won't put anything past them by now. Depending on when the link was posted, this message might explain a lot, though: 20:37, 8 March 2009 TK (Talk | contribs) deleted "Talk:Main Page" ‎ (content was: 'Archives ) --Sid 06:14, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Keith Richards, Mike Huckabee, RJJensen, and BHarlan

It's not that big a deal but the edit war between RJJ and BH in the Mike Huckabee article is sorta cute. BHarlan retreats with honor on the talk page. --Simple 00:42, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

More decrufting

"DO NOT EXPOSE PARODY OR UNNOTICED CP VANDALISM ON THIS PAGE. THANK YOU. DO NOT WRITE WIGO POSTS IN FIRST OR SECOND PERSON UNLESS USING A DIRECT QUOTE, THANK YOU AGAIN

Please post new entries like this:

-42

Wigo text goes here

Where X is one number higher than the previous entry. CHECK YOU ARE NOT USING A PREVIOUS NUMBER. DO NOT USE THE LETTER "X". DON'T ADD THE img="on" TAG you might see on older entries; it will be added automatically later.

If you are updating an article with the img="on" tag please remove it if no links are broken in the entry.

Don't use the cp:article, User or any other cute linking method, just use a normal hyperlink to link to a cp article it confuses Capturebot/Vote extension. Also some HTML commands confuse the bot; for example, don't use <b>, use wiki markup.

Do not use the word "Special" in a wigo.

Best of bot starts here"

Apart from the "best of bot" part, perhaps this should all be in the "instructions" file? Does anyone read this? Would anyone expect to find "hidden" instructions when they edit a wiki page, or even look for them? Let alone read them? I can see, perhaps, the basic instructions, but the other crap is just lame. I suggest reducing it to:

"Please post new entries like this:

-42

Wigo text goes here

Where X is one number higher than the previous entry. CHECK YOU ARE NOT USING A PREVIOUS NUMBER. DO NOT USE THE LETTER "X". DON'T ADD THE img="on" TAG you might see on older entries; it will be added automatically later.

Best of bot starts here"

And even that is too much, I think. Perhaps it should read:

"Did you read the instructions?!

Best of bot starts here"

Just a thought. ħuman 03:19, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Some of those bot instructions are now redundant. - User $\pi$ 03:42, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Any of the bot instructions that are still relevant should definitely be kept. They're not hurting anyone, and they reduce the amount of crap CaptureBot has to deal with. (Any instructions that are no longer accurate should of course be summarily removed.) I certainly wouldn't remove the part about not outing suspected parodists. Contrariwise, if you really feel like removing something, how about the part that says "DO NOT USE THE LETTER "X"," as if that's something a sane person might do? --Marty 03:54, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

You wouldn't believe the number of times I have seen an poll=wigoX, poll=wigo, poll=1445 and other stupid things. I have spent the last three days butchering capturebot and I think I can fix a couple of these problems now. - User $\pi$ 04:33, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Anyone who is dumb enough to put wigoX is probably going to make a really dumb wigo anyway. Runderful 06:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

But why should I spend ten minutes each morning cleaning it up? - User $\pi$ 06:23, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I recently posted my first WIGO (Andy wearing black) and found it quite useful to have the instructions there. IMO, most people are simply not gonna bother reading any "Instructions" file. So I think shortening them is fine, but don't remove them. Hydrogen 05:15, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

How about putting something like this (example only) at the top?

How to add new WIGO items

Add new contributions to the top of this list, and copy the formatting carefully so the polls work properly. Each new entry gets an ID number one higher than the previous one. Please check older entries to avoid duplication - especially if you see something that's been going on for hours - there's a good chance that someone else has seen it and added it already. Brevity is the soul of wit. If it can't be said in two lines, then it's probably not that noteworthy, really. For more tips, and to avoid your entries always being voted down, please read this primer. Do not remove items from the list unless you believe they are legally slanderous or otherwise likely to be "detrimental to RationalWiki". Comment out an item (thus: <!-- offending WIGO -->) if you think it's really an issue. If you think an item is not worthwhile, just vote it down - "one man's boredom is another man's lulz". Caveat: Due to conservative deceit, some page links from this page to Conservapedia may be broken. To help combat this, WIGO items from late September 2008 on have their links to CP automatically uploaded as images to RW. If a link is down, click the img link to see what it was. Also, anyone not wanting to go to CP can use this to see what everyone is talking about. Also, CP sysops are constantly monitoring WIGO:CP. If you are an editor on CP, log in to RW before editing here. Some CP sysops use checkuser and will ban users whose IP addresses show up on RW.

  .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 06:20, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Make it a smaller heading and your on. - User $\pi$ 06:25, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I dun it.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 06:29, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Feedback

Nice I like it; lets see what the mob says. - User $\pi$ 06:31, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

(EC) That's a lot nicer, but I suggest that the points should be somewhat shorter, I don't think a lot of people feel like reading it all. Yeh I know, it's only a few lines, but when I see a whole paragraph like that, I think "meh" and skip it. How about this?

• Please check older entries to avoid duplication
• Brevity is the soul of wit. If it can't be said in two lines, then it's probably not that noteworthy, really.
• For more tips on making good WIGO's read this primer.
• Do not remove items from the list. If you think an item is not worthwhile, just vote it down.
• If you are an editor on CP, log in to RW before editing here or some CP sysops will ban you based on your IP address.

I know it leaves out some important points, but I don't think those points are really useful when adding a WIGO, are rather self explanatory or not really that important to know for everybody (like if a WIGO really has to be removed, there are a lot of senior editors who will know this). --GTac 06:40, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

FWIW I'm perfectly happy with a wordy box. Maybe it could be tightened a little, but I think on balance it's better to spend some time explaining stuff rather than leaving it implicit and thus potentially incomplete or ambiguous. --seventhrib 09:18, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Really good, I like the new brevity and drop-down box. It's a LOT cleaner. DogP 13:26, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

While we're on the sunject of WIGO, can we decide once and for all what the deal is with First person. We decided (and I agree) that Wigos are better in third person (and the occasional second person if it works) and I've tried to fix as many as I can.... But we should make a decision one way or the other. SirChuckB^{Whatever happened to Skip It?} 13:56, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Nice box! And @ Chuck, 1st person reads very amateurish, I agree most should be 3rd. ħuman 20:17, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh, and I agree the box says too much - it should only be the instructions for actually adding a WIGO, IMHO. IE, the stuff that is commented out at the top of the "latest" section. And the primer link should be "outside" the box. ħuman 20:19, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't think that the amount of text there matters as long as it's in descending order of importance - the collapsed version is always the same size.

I've added the commented out bit from the top of the "Latest" section.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 08:33, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Range blocks revisited

File:Ipblock-range-contrib-Conservapedia-20090125.png range-blocks	range-blocks

Does Andy realize what TK's blocking policy will do to his site? Blocking whole universities because he doesn't like the entries of one single student? Routinely blocking major ISPs? Trying to get rid of Ireland? --larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 04:33, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Even if Andy knows, I doubt he cares. As has been noted many many times, CP is more Andy's blog than it is a wiki. As long as he has a place to post his rantings and his classroom materials, he could give a rat's behind what goes on otherwise. More to the point, maybe, TK's megablocks serve Andy's desires--fewer people to bug him, challenge him, correct him.--WJThomas 08:59, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Actually I have always wondered how many universities have been blocked as they should be a good source of editors. Can you find that out somehow? - User $\pi$ 04:37, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

If someone points me at a url from whence I can scrape the list of range blocks, I'll hack up a script to whois them and grep for instances of "university". Probably not a 100% accurate metric, since it'll miss most non-english countries, but it'll give an idea. (Maybe just "univer" instead, that should catch most of the Romance languages too, I guess.) --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 05:49, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I think that this is one of the biggest threats to CP. We should do our best to encourage as many range blocks as possible. JoeDuffy 07:14, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Don't forget that there are plenty of places which are colleges, but not universities. You might want to do a search for both. DickTurpis 07:57, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

That's all part of TK's MO (altho I dunno what Dean & karajerk's excuses are). Basically, if he can prevent the entire internet from editing CP, he's won. I'm still waiting for the day one of them blocks Andy by mistake. Haven't we got any NJ trolls here? --PsyGremlin_Whut? 08:05, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

He doesn't want university students - they're likely to be infected with liberal ideology. Kids are the ideal fodder for CP.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 08:08, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I like the comparison CP has blocked 10,282,963 IP address. We have blocked 28 individual and and one 24 level taking us to 284; te reason given for all was "remind user to log in". - User $\pi$ 08:20, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Dear JeevesMKII - http://www.conservapedia.com/api.php?action=query&list=blocks&bklimit=500&format=xml gives you a list of the editors and IPs who are currently in blocked. You have to iterate (e.g., http://www.conservapedia.com/api.php?action=query&list=blocks&bklimit=500&bkstart=2009-02-18T05:14:09Z&format=xml ) to get all blocks: currently, there are ~18,000 entries. Alternatively, I could send you a list of the blocked ranges - a much smaller number:

Number of Active Range Blocks at CP on Mar 12th, 2009

Range	/16	/17	/18	/19	/20	/21	/22	/23	/24	/25	/26	/27	/28	/29	/30	/31	/32
IPs in Range	65536	32768	16384	8192	4096	2048	1024	512	256	128	64	32	16	8	4	2	1
#Blocks	138	12	27	43	34	7	82	8	153	2	1	1	1	5			738

larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:19, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks. But, Jeebus H. Christ, no CSV? It's like I'm living in the future and everyone's got excess time to waste writing fucking XML parsers. Coulda done this in about five minutes with CSV. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 15:30, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Student Fifteen on Scholasticism (Homework 6)

According to student fifteen, scholasticism provides ways to prov (sic) that "God exits by using logic, knowledge, and reason".

"I can disprove the existence of the universe in five steps. {logic deleted} There, I'm done. I'll be at the Bellagio in Vegas if anyone needs me. Oh, wait, there's no one to need me, because there's no universe. There's no Vegas, either, for that matter. I'll exit now. #Poof#" -- God, aka the Almighty MDB 07:56, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

god, it's all horrible.. "3. France and England we able to while Germany and Italy were not.". It makes more sense when you read the question to that, but it's still horrendous. I'm predicting a very low score for this student: 67/70 --GTac 07:20, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Don't pick on S15 - (s)he's obviously only 8 or 9 y.o.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 07:24, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Seriously, I wonder if Andy has any idea of the ages of his students, and grades them based on that. Obviously, more is to be expected of a sixteen year old than a nine year old. (Though the course, in theory, is designed for high schoolers. Why would a nine year old take it, unless you're talking about a Doogie Howser type.) MDB 07:56, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

8 or 9? These homework pages are a breeding ground for Ed Poors. Runderful 07:59, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Most of the real ie nonparodist/nonRW homeworks are from the pupils [sic] he has in RL class. So yes, he knows how old they are.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence}

(my age comment was intended as sarcasm.)   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 08:04, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I knew that, but I'm still curious if Andy knows anything about the students in the largest world history class in the history of history classes throughout the world. MDB 08:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Speaking of his RL class, does he carry a gun to those? Always wondered about that. Cause if he doesn't, all his arguments against gun control are kinda meaningless, if he doesn't even carry the gun while teaching so he can protect them.. But if he does do that, he's a fucking retarded danger to those kids.. --GTac 12:35, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

No, he doesn't. He does, however, pack heat in the form of the largely defensive weapon of cell phone for the childrens' general safety and protection from liberal deceit. ħuman 17:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Yes, God is "exiting." Perhaps the human race will come to its senses...Jimaginator 09:54, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

70/70 ! Do you think the more we criticize, the better grades are? Barraki 20:22, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Hahaha, oh wow! --GTac 10:42, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Rampage

MikeSalter's on the rampage.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 10:08, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I must have missed something--Who is Salter, and how/when did he get The Power?--WJThomas 10:19, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

A sock of Bugler who got block rights after a week. EddyP 10:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Mr Salter, please unblock Dinsdale and Sideways. Those were unjust blocks.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 10:18, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Flie free, little Phrasecop! ha, made my day. EddyP 10:21, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

DuncanB's fighting alone!   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 10:22, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

it's all over now :( Neveruse513 10:23, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

It took Andy to stop him. Possible Email or even a phone call to wake him up?   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 10:24, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Ah well, ultimately futile but quite fun. Sorry, Kriss, I was looking for Dinsdale but couldn't see him in the list. Fretfulporpentine 10:26, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I like to leave it up to imagination... I see Andy standing alone in his kitchen, slowly pouring whiskey into his coffee when his corded phone rings. "What's that? Vandals?!" He leaps in front of his CRT monitor and saves the morning from liberal mischief. Now he can enjoy his drink. Neveruse513 10:30, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh man that just summoned a perfect image. Just him standing there, in a cold empty kitchen while bleak light shines in through some dust, while he is slowly pouring whiskey into his coffee. He has an empty gaze in his eyes, seemingly not so much from being deep in thought, but from pure boredom of the morning ritual. Meanwhile, he is still slowly pouring the whiskey in. The only sounds in this dreary scene are the pouring, a lone clock on the background and the loud slow nasal breathing from Andy. Inside, he's already dead. --GTac 10:50, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

How did MikeSalter do that? He's already blocked! Has been since January. And why didn't DuncanB simply block him, the usual way rampages are stopped. Did MikeSalter find a bug in the software that let him do this even though he was blocked? So that only Andy's change of his user rights would put a stop to it? Gauss 10:29, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

You can't edit when blocked, but you can still block. I believe the only way to stop him is to be a bureaucrat (Andy, the Webmaster or, er, BethanyS) and take the rights away. If he'd done it in the middle of the night the damage could have been a lot more extensive.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 10:31, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh man, that could have been epic. Neveruse513 10:33, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

<slaps head in frustration> Getting Andy hauled out of bed at 3 am! Damn, damn, damn. Oh well, there's always next time. Fretfulporpentine 10:35, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

(EC) It would have needed more cleaning up, but it would still have been nothing more than a diversion. The only thing these rampages have ever achieved was one time, someone unblocked a lot of unfairly blocked users, and then they got re-blocked with shorter block lengths. I was hoping that would happen to Dinsdale, Aziraphale, HelpJazz and people like that.-- Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 10:37, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

FP, you've got to find some way to change your IP. Such a talented parodist as yourself should not be shot down by a simple checkuser. Z3ro^talk 10:44, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Here's a question for you more technologically sophisticated types... If you can block whole ranges of IP addresses, then surely you can unblock whole ranges of IP addresses. Is there a way to simply unblock all IP's (or block all IP's)?-- Antifly ^{Now with 50% less retirement!} 11:01, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Fretfulporpentine - are you everyone on Conservapedia? Are we merely watching your multiple personalities battling one another. Did you have to phone yourself up so's you could block yourself? Matt oblong 11:11, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I don't really get this. Great entertainment (well done FP). But here's what I don't understand. If a user, MikeS in this case, can carry on blocking and unblocking even though he is blocked himself why couldn't the CPers just unblock eachother - or even themselves? StarFish 11:14, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

They can and do. However, unlike RW, very few CPers have blocking powers. Those powers have to be earned, by licking Andy's boots.-- Antifly ^{Now with 50% less retirement!} 11:18, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Right. So you can't really lock other SysOps out. You can only annoy them a bit. Good fun just the same. StarFish 11:23, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I've always wondered what they would do if someone went on the rampage blocking only non sysop users with no rights to protect themselves.... I think it'd be interesting to see the difference in reactions and reaction time. SirChuckB^{Whatever happened to Skip It?} 11:29, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

love this:blocked 78.86.0.0/16 (Talk) with an expiry time of 1 year (account creation disabled) Reblock IP/ranges unblocked by traitor: MikeSalter (my emphasis)   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 11:58, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I particularly enjoyed that too. It's like when they call vandalism moronic...or tack on "bye" to the canned banbanner. You know it makes them feel a little better about themselves and I think they need all they can get. Neveruse513 12:17, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Wow, its getting more dictatorial and cultlike by the minute. "You are disloyal to Conservapedia, the Great and Terrible Schlafly, the Republican party and/or my cat Miss Precious-Perfect! You are a traitor! Off you go!" I hald expect them to start forming defensive weapon of gun firing squads any day now. MDB 12:42, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

But how did MikeSalter get block rights within a week?! That must have been some world-class arselicking. Nice work. DogP 13:34, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

And only a fortnight after Bugler had been outed. Andy is wonderful. Fretfulporpentine 14:07, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

There seems to be a bit of confusion here. MikeSalter still had his block rights because they were technically never taken away, what with the CP server crash. Apparently no one over there ever thought to check. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 14:34, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Has this ever happedned before? I mean a parodist becoming a sysop and leaving a trail of destruction and chaos in his/her wake?DSFARGEG 14:59, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Search MexMax & Samwell (here on RW)   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 15:16, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Going further back, wasn't Samwell inspired by Richard? Although I don't remember if he got powerz like the others. --Kels 17:39, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

It's funny because TK was after Salter for a while there, but nobody realized to take his powers away. Instead of acting like the dick he is, TK is to blame for this incident for not pushing MikeSalter out. It only would have taken an asslick to Andy to get Mike removed. Oh poor TK, your mask slipped just a bit on this one... be careful! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 16:18, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

To anyone who cares to answer: how certain are you that TK is a parodist waiting to get bureaucrat rights? --MattM 18:33, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Read TK and make your own mind up. Silver Sloth 19:43, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

How come the WIGO link ("traitor") doesn't work? ħuman 20:26, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I've replaced it with a link to one of the "traitor" rangeblocks. --Sid 21:30, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks, I had realized eventually that it was an IP block and not an MS block, but now the link makes that clear. ħuman 18:29, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

DM

DeanS is really filling up the memory hole today. He's getting rid of all evidence of some really terrible people like TimS and NateG. Corry^{Then there's me. The joker. The goofball. The magician.} 13:11, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

New archive

Someone had to do it. EternalCritic 17:02, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I, for one, thank yous. 17:34, 13 March 2009 (EDT) CЯacke®

Private email is neither required nor encouraged

Does anyone remember this little exchange at DuncanB's talk page?

Don't go posting junk on my talk page, about personnel issues. Your email isn't enabled here, so you can use the contact information on my user page. --₮K_/Admin^/Talk 16:23, 7 March 2009 (EST)

I respectfully disagree with TK here. Private email is neither required nor encouraged.--Andy Schlafly 17:50, 7 March 2009 (EST)

Now - after dutifully doing his homework ([...] technically I am not supposed to be on Conservapedia until all my schoolwork is finished), DuncanB pokes TK again:

With all due respect, why was my edit to cp:Conservapedia reverted? I did not think that it broke any rules. Duncan^{Channel 16} 16:16, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

And the answer - from the most senior of all senior sysops?

:Because you have been told, directly, as much as you permit yourself to be informed, that we do not honor members of vandal/parody sites, DuncanB. Since you wish to participate in this project, but also choose not to allow basic, minimal contact with those of us also entrusted with the same administrative privileges as you are, what else am I to do? Matters of security and personal information about editors isn't something one should discuss openly. It isn't in business, clubs or schools, as you know. --₮K_/Admin^/Talk 17:59, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Private email is neither required nor encouraged - I'm afraid Andy will have to lie to DuncanB's parents, again... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 18:28, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

I think TK's pushing too far here. Andy will turn a blind eye to a lot of things, but screwing with the students endangers Andy's livelihood. One student tells his parents he was bullied by an admin on his teacher's wiki, and his teacher did nothing? That kind of info spreads rapidly. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 19:17, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

How fast can info spread when the Gestapo watches it all? Andy could just wave it off as a "misunderstanding" or some guy on the street did it type situation. All the conversation can just disappear and bam! "I don't recall your son being bullied on my blog...let's check the record..hmm nothing...oh well"--Snotbowst 20:59, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Someone should make screencaps and send Duncan links to the backup copies then... --Sid 21:31, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

And by "someone", you mean "Andy", right? Personally, I think it's great whenever the creepy basement-dwellers and the clean young American heroes cross paths. As long as Ed and TK aren't actually physically diddling the kiddies, more power to 'em, says I! Drive out the kids; leave the wackos and parodists. More fun for everyone that way. If more of Andy's kids start feeling welcome at CP, that's bad; and if more of them are driven off (or merely turned off), that's good. See? --Marty 01:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I think if a kid complains to their parents ("a creepy 50-something year old man on teacher's web site wanted me to email him"), the parents aren't going to go all "show me the evidence" - they're more likely to yank the kid, and talk to other parents, than worry about what the creepy old man's arguments are. ħuman 18:31, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

TK and IP blocks

Ok I don't think we are directly behind this since we have been laughing at his blocks for awhile now, so the question is who gave him a talking to about his blocks? Kendoll, Andy or Ed? My bet is Ed but you never know.--BoredCPer 21:16, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

My initial guess was random trolling, even though it is quite possible someone slapped him about it in his ever-beloved private mail communications. --Sid 21:24, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

Wow about 0.328% of the internet is blocked. May 2007 was there peak when about 0.025% of the internet traffic was to CP, it is now down to more like 0.0025%, he has blocked several orders of magnitude more of the internet than has ever visited the place, talk about paranoid. - User $\pi$ 23:23, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

"TK has nearly blocked the entire internet" = yeah bit over the top. "TK has blocked enuf to cripple cp" = kosher. Oh noes liberal caterwauling!Mei is useful 23:29, 13 March 2009 (EDT)

He just likes to feel powerful. Range blocking seems to be one of his favorite ways to do so. Ah, well. At least it's fun to watch him play his little power games. -- JArneal 00:19, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Ummmm, has anyone informed him that, if he took this from LArron's page, Conservapedia is now under GDFL license? I'm sure it's the 8000th time he has been told that. Gauss 00:28, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Dear TK:

• What a creepy kind of compliment. Thanks for quoting?
• A propos quoting: As this is obviously (at least bit for bit) one of my little tables, I'd like you to give a proper reference to your source.
• How did you get the number of .328%? Oh, that's right, from one of my Image:Range-blocks.png pics, too.
• The blocking of Syria should have less influence than the blocking of a legit IPS in the UK - or the US, but
• The concept of traveling abroad seems to be alien to you
• Gentleman on the other website, I foresee a drop in usage in the future - the aims of Conservative and TK are irreconcilable, I'm afraid.

larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 05:20, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

That's interesting too, since Andy, TK and Ken all have different aims respecting traffic. Andy's pride tells him to beat WP at their own game, so he wants a lot of pageviews, open registration, and lots of editors (providing they work like drones and 100% agree with him). TK wants the opposite, he works to choke off CP's editor base, and remove not only anyone who even slightly dissents, but whole cities around them. Ken, on the other hand, wants lots of pageviews like Andy, but doesn't want editors, who might question him, or contribute to his articles, or just crowd up the place. He wants a read-only wiki, which definitely doesn't fit Andy's vision. --Kels 09:53, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

World History Lecture Seven

Teh stoopid, it hurts.

“”Shakespeare, the greatest playwright in world history, wrote in English around 1600. He used modern English, but the language has changed much in 400 years since then. His language was easily understood then, but some parts are difficult to understand today. The term "copyright" did not exist yet, and Shakespeare never published any of his plays in writing because he had no legal protection against someone copying his work; all his works were written and preserved after he died. Here is the beginning of Mark Antony's famous speech in Shakespeare's famous play, Julius Caesar

Beyond the terribly ambiguous grammar (did he write in English only around 1600, or...?), "much in 400 years since then," "language was easily understood then...," AS gets the reason why Shakespeare did not publish wrong. Shakespeare had no want to publish his plays simply because there was no motive for him to do so. He earned quite a bit of money producing the plays themselves. People during his life still tried to publish his plays and sonnets without permission, but the plays were very incomplete or poorly edited. After his death, two good friends gathered Shakespeare's own copies of his works and pieced them together. Only one of his plays has yet to be published, and likely never will be. It is also hard to understand how Shakespeare could have written his plays after he died, as this is another ambiguous sentence that makes its context unclear. And the final sentence has two copies of the word "famous," and many words are repeated quite often in AS's paragraph. Andy definitely should not tackle Literature as a subject. He's almost as bad as Ed Poor. --Irrational Atheist 01:16, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Link: [1] Mei is useful 01:47, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Sounds like Andy's getting in some of his own status worship... and for someone who probably would have been a liberal today. Shame on you Andy! EternalCritic 11:36, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

srsly ? Shakespeare , modern english ? 67.72.98.45 15:40, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Shakespeare is linguistically considered modern english actually. EternalCritic 16:06, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Exactly true. Old English (Beowulf) is another language, for all purposes, while Middle English (Chaucer) is readable with extensive annotation. Shakespeare may use some archaic vocabulary, but it's linguistically modern. 20:00, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I suppose Andy, who uses "pure" english, can understand Shakespeare word for word. Maybe he can tell us the difference between a hawk and a handsaw--Nate River 20:30, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

No, in Andyland the wind always blows north-northwest.--stunteddwarf 14:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

UH...

Somebody deleted the page. I can't seem to fix it... --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 03:58, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Me either, I think this is going to need manual surgery to the database to fix. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 04:04, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

And it's the middle of the night in America, so we're screwed. --  Nx/talk  04:06, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Trent's gonna be maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 04:07, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Yes, but at least this time it wasn't a respectedish editor who did it; it was just an attention seeking idiot. Word educated Phantom Hoover! 04:19, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Shouldwe at least put a "it borked" message in there instead of gibberish? I'd do it, but I'm scared I'll bork it even more. -Redback^G'day 04:21, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I added one. Word educated Phantom Hoover! 04:22, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

(EC)To be fair, Jorge didn't know it would bork the wiki. I'm going to add a warning about pages with lots of revisions to the deletion page text. --  Nx/talk  04:23, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

True, but it is still idiocy to delete the most viewed page on the wiki just to get attention. Word educated Phantom Hoover! 04:24, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Lol'in at Dis. Also, to not sound, well, conservapedian, I think it's pretty funny. User:LarryL

I trust someone has called the FBI StarFish 04:33, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

No, the KGB. Word educated Phantom Hoover! 04:34, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Isn't this just a matter of deleting the current page and restoring the previous one? Or is everyone getting the weird blank page when you click on "view or restore 11333 deleted edits"?--Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 07:43, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Lots of EC - I do get that yeah. It's not an easy fix. Mei 08:03, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Ah, so that's it. Hmm, so why is it that pages with large numbers of revisions cause this to happen? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 07:56, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Because it has to generate the page history list, and that takes a while. Php scripts are limited to 30 seconds of execution time. --  Nx/talk  08:00, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm going to try something. Give me a second. --  Nx/talk  08:03, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Jorgie porgie

Yeah I think he did know it would bork the wiki. I also think he is a dick. Mei is useful 05:14, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Perhaps, I assumed good faith; looks like I was wrong. --  Nx/talk  05:20, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Actually. It might actually be a bunchofnumbers trying to make him look bad. Mei is useful 05:21, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Unlikely, my dear Mei, as what would Jorge have done deserving of such wrath? Word educated Phantom Hoover! 05:35, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Well, well, well... --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 06:01, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

It's a proxy. [2] --  Nx/talk  06:08, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Bah! There goes my conspiracy theory. :) I guess even he's not that evil. --Yossie^{Spring in Fialta} 06:16, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Ironic intermission

The spell check function on my phone panics when it sees 'Schlafly' and tries to insert 'scholarly' in its place. That is all. Matt 08:08, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Using predictive text, I get "sailbely". It is as clear as 2+2=4 that Nokia has a liberal bias and is deceitfully attempting to hide existence of conservatives and their message. Your phone on the other hand is just wrong and should be smashed, burnt and buried. -Redback^G'day 09:07, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I get "raglafly" on my Motorola. the first syllable may be an ironic comment on CP. Incidentally Matt, Who are you texting about Andy? Totnesmartin 09:48, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Not texting. The wonderful folk at Dell have taken possession of my laptop whilst working out how to fix a three month old model before the parts become available. I am reduced to surfing the web from my phone. Matt 16:29, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Golly Crimmins! My sympathies to your thumbs. Totnesmartin 18:41, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Restoration

Ok, so here's how I did it: The reason you can't restore the page normally is that the php script that generates the Special:undelete page with the checkboxes needs a lot of time, and hits the execution limit. I circumvented that using a script that sent the restore command, and didn't require generating the undelete page. --  Nx/talk  08:08, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Also, it was my bot account, which is why you might not see it in recent changes. --  Nx/talk  08:09, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Thanks Nx! You are truly excellent. Mei 08:13, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I was the 358th person to see WIGO. But I was hoping it would be like 4 or something. We get traffic. Mei 08:18, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I was thinking of asking you to do that, but didn't get round to it. Word educated Phantom Hoover! 08:26, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Heh, that's funny, page is restored but the viewcount is borked. ħuman 19:45, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

They are always borked after a delete/restore. The only reason this has its page count is because Trent went into the database and changed the variable that sets its pagecount; Ken should keep it in mind. - User $\pi$ 20:39, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Andy still has it!

"Fred", perhaps you mistakenly think this is Wikipedia, where cp:censorship and deletion of pages for ideological reasons are common. Not here.--Andy Schlafly 10:23, 14 March 2009 (EDT) (here)

Wow, "Andy", great stuff. Only, this wasn't about ideology, but maths. Sorry, I forgot, that's the same to you... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 10:38, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm wondering why FredFerguson hasn't been banned yet. Perhaps he has photos of Andy.... oh, doing something horrendously scandalous (use your imagination; its more fun that way)... that he's threatening to send to Mama Schlafly. MDB 10:56, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

If I recall correctly, Andy still has not denied the hamster allegations. Z3ro^talk 10:59, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

But has the hampster? Mick McT 12:05, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm wondering if SJohnson, the person who started this latest salvo against Lenski has really read the paper. Indeed, I think even Fred would do well to read the paper a little more closely. All the discussion focuses on statistical analysis of one part of the paper only, and assumes, per SJohnson's mistake, that the evolutionary innovation reported by the paper was the potentiating mutation, rather than Cit+. The paper reports that aerobic citrate utilization, a trait that transcends the species definition of E. coli, evolved in one of twelve long-term populations of E. coli maintained since 1988. This trait was not present in the ancestor, is a heritable trait in those clones that display it, and those clones were demonstrated to have descended from the Cit- ancestor. Given this, there can be no question that this innovation evolved. This trait evolved only once, and not until after 31,000 generations of evolution.

The authors then had to confront the question of what would explain the trait, which exploited an ecological opportunity present in the environment since the experiment began, had evolved only once, and after so long a time. They formulated two hypotheses: 1. Cit+ was caused by a single, extremely rare mutation, and thus all clones should display the same, extremely small frequency of mutation to Cit+ 2. Cit+ was multi-step, that one of the steps had occurred at some point in the history of the population, leaving only the subsequent step or steps to be necessary to get Cit+. This would predict that, there should be clones after some point of time in the population's history that would display a higher frequency of mutation to Cit+, as they would have already have the initial mutation. To test these hypotheses, Blount et al did a series of experiment in which they took single, pure clones, from that population's history and put them in situations in which they could detect re-evolution of Cit+. Their experiments all found that at least some later generation clones display a greater propensity to re-evolve Cit+. The statistical analysis of this is what SJohnson is attacking, but even if the statistics that Blount et al have are off, the multi-step, historical contingency hypothesis would still stand. Why? Because they later, in a part of the paper that few of its critics have bothered to notice, directly measured the rate of mutation to Cit+ in the ancestor, which wouldn't have had the potentiating mutation, and that of clones that putatively have the potentiating mutation, and found that the later, potentiated clones have a higher rate of mutation to Cit+. This higher rate is exactly what would be expected from their contingency hypothesis, and explains the underlying pattern of the other experiments the statistical analyses of which were designed to detect. Fred, if you are reading this, you might want to bring it up over at CP.

I know that is a lot of verbiage, but Blount et al is a really neat paper, and I am tired of seeing people misunderstanding it. Kaalis 12:28, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I was being a bit lazy, for which I apologise. I'm working at home as I've hurt my leg so I can't get hold of the paper at the moment. I was trying to get it into SJohnson's thick skull that (a) the fact that the mutation appeared disproves the hypothesis that the mutation didn't appear (does that sound complicated...?) and (b) the null hypothesis in his test was a constant mutation rate. My understanding of the paper is exactly as Kaalis describes it: there's evidence for an accelerating mutation rate. I was trying to start by getting SJohnson to acknowledge that he'd misinterpreted the results of his so-called chi-squared test before getting into the biology but I didn't manage to get to that point. Well, I jumped before I was pushed.

Anyway, I'm done with CP. I've decided that the approach of trying to use Socratic logic, getting your opponent to admit there are gaps in his/her argument, then getting him/her to work out what the gaps are, just doesn't work when his/her reaction to having his/her prejudices contradicted is just to lash out.

PS How on earth does Hsmom survive there??? She's very polite when she disagrees with His High And Mightiness but that doesn't usually protect you. FredFerguson 19:37, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Yes I deleted claims I don't believe in, but only Wikipedia deletes for ideological reasons, do they ?

“No reference was provided to back the claim that the chi-square test p-values are always conservative, either. ”

I think they should only include christian-conservative math tests, anyway. Barraki 13:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

"I find no credibility in your denial of having ideological reasons." - teh assfly grooving to the classics [3] (just a few edits later). ħuman 17:56, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

And finally, "...I'm going to review his edit pattern now to see if he's been contributing anything of value to this site.--Andy Schlafly 14:06, 15 March 2009 (EDT)". I wonder (no I don't) if Andy ever actually looks at "data" - like people's editing patterns - or just makes up his mind and spouts a random excuse for what he's already decided to do? ħuman 18:00, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Conservapedia vs. Academia

Per yesterday's request, a big list of university owned IP address space blocked at Conservapedia. Probably not exhaustive, but still good for bragging rights. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 12:33, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Add College of Charleston to the list. My IP's been toast for a while. ENorman 13:30, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Didn't someone at the top of this page say that KCL was blocked as well? Crundy 19:09, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

I believe Andy should range block all institutions of public education purely on principle. Neveruse513 10:24, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Sigh...

Screencap from cache

I found this to be really nostalgic. One of the last remnants of one of the last decent users on CP. It's been there quite a while. Kind of funny that it hasn't been destroyed yet... -- JArneal 21:28, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

Good night Sweet Tim. You were the sanest YEC I have ever met. ENorman 21:33, 14 March 2009 (EDT)

JArneal, meet TK. TK, JArneal. --Marty 04:08, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I like to know that the Teekster can't help but read our every word. Just think of him twitching when we mention the instant coffee or his ex-wife. How is the used car trade Tezza? Matt 05:32, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I hesitate to inquire, (actually, no I don't), but - instant coffee? I am intrigued... Totnesmartin 06:50, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

It's all part of the image. Shabby man, shabby job, shabby office, shabby personal life, shabby hygeine, shabby coffee. I'll bet you I'm right, eh Tezza? Matt 07:08, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Added screencap so that people later will know WTH this was about. --Sid 07:20, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I expected TK to do that. He always does. I just figured that he would destroy it as soon as he saw it, so I suppose my post was some kind of a "last hurrah". On a lighter note, it's funny how we can direct TK to do stuff. -- JArneal 14:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT) And thanks for the introduction Marty, but unfortunately, we've already met. -- JArneal 15:13, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Curator

The idea that the man who doesn't know the difference between a huge, 11 island art installation with 6.5 million square feet of pink woven polypropylene fabric and a painting is going to nominate himself as the curator of CP is HILARIOUS. DogP 02:27, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Pain-ting. If it doesn't hurt, it's not pain-ting. ħuman 03:47, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

What is he talking about anyways? "We have already an important collection of images of paintings, sculptures, music articles and much more of art subjects." Youve got a bunch of images you got from google image search and the likes! And I'm not even sure you're not breaking any copyrights with those, seeing CP's trackrecord.. --GTac 06:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I'm certain that 95% of them breach copyright. The man's shaken hands with the President of Mexico: ergo he is an expert on anything he cares to be an expert on. He'll get approval for it, of course. Just imagine his business card: Curator of Arts at a Prominent US Institution.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 07:13, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Well, as curator, he would have the authority to decide what is a painting and what is not. Just like sysops are always right in normal content questions - even when they're wrong. --Sid 07:22, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

If that makes him a curator, I guess I'm a pornstar, seeing how I have an impressive collection of pictures. --GTac 06:26, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Stupidity has reached critical mass, you have ten minutes to reach minimum safe distance.

Oh, dear. the stupidest man on Conservapedia has teamed up with the stupidest man on youtube to promote the evolution article. I believe this not only means the end of evolution on the internets, but in fact all life as we know it. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 05:36, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Thunderf00t will have a field day. Word educated Phantom Hoover! 05:58, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Operation youtube spam is commencing on the internets. "based on some reports I have heard, it would not surprise me if other YouTube fans appear as well". Translation: I will make moar youtube accounts and spam moar videos linking to my articles --  Nx/talk  06:20, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Is VenomFangX a parody or for real? Totnesmartin 06:47, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

He's real. The blog on VFX's site is just text wall after text wall. It has the same banal writing and hilarious logic present in his videos. I really like "The Odds", where he claims that he has "a trillion times more likelihood of being correct" because he doesn't agree with the statistics he made up. It's a little early here, and I had to stop myself from laughing so as not to wake anyone up. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 06:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Ok if he's real, I'm registering. I'm up for some lulz on this sunny morning, and it means I can put off the de-tree-ing in the garden... Totnesmartin 07:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

To speak Ken's language for a moment, check out them pageviews! --Kels 10:22, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh, and a quick personal message to Kenny Boy, I do not like the Conservapedia Main Page. The Hitler/Darwin image is nowhere near prominent enough. Near the bottom of the page? Is that the strength of your convictions? If that's the best you can muster, atheism and evolution have nothing to worry about. If you really believe, and I mean really believe, then that image should be the most prominent feature of the main page. Don't let those inferior minds push you down, Ken. Stand up, and strike a blow against the atheistic theory of Evilution! --Kels 10:27, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Gentleman Kels, your link fails. Also, there's a lot of whitespace under the news, might be a good place to put some MOAR HITLER. --  Nx/talk  10:30, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Ah, I see the problem. The permalink at Alexa contains several square brackets, so isn't wiki-friendly. And no, it's the "news" that completely fails to attack evilution that must be pushed down, and Hitler placed prominently at the top. Or don't you think attacking the evilutionists and Darwin worshippers is important? I find your lack of faith...disturbing. --Kels 10:38, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I clicked a few of Ken's links out of boredom, one of which leads to a picture intended to illustrate the concept of a contest. It's a telling choice. Maybe the contest is a showdown between Ken and "Professor Poor" to determine who is CP's dirtiest old man...-- Antifly ^{Now with 50% less retirement!} 14:12, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Ken and Shawn (venomfang)? WTF? Bahahahaha I almost explode with stupid. This is going to be a treat to follow. Ace McWicked^Revolt 16:05, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

This is going to be funny as f**k. BTW, do we have an article on Thunderf00t and co.? Their new League of Reason site could be an interesting one to look into. ArmondikoV^bomination 17:32, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Like Fuck!

TK re. Dinsdale: I miss him too. Good luck to you. Laugh? I nearly wet myself.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 05:57, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

TK promotes discussion on CP

by deleting and protecting MainPage right's template. Love the reason "outdated", yup discussing CP's borken news is certainly outdated. And I see he's performed the trick before. TK - you COWARD!! --PsyGremlin_Whut? 07:40, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Check the "Sigh..." section a bit earlier up to see the content before deletion and thus the reason for it. And normal discussion would happen on the regular Main Page talkpage - not that that's gonna happen now that practically everybody who disagrees with the party line has been banned or intimidated into silence. --Sid 07:54, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

TK is a God among mere men. You'd do well to remember that.DSFARGEG 08:10, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Ed's recent edit wave

Anybody know what caused Ed to start about things like this or this (entire article by him so far)? --Sid 09:17, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

This --  Nx/talk  09:20, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I view that as consistent with his intellectually shabby hate-mongering. The real story is that non-Muslims have been desecrating Korans. But of course his article has a Gitmo prisoner renouncing his own faith after having torn a Koran in half. Yeah, that's really the problem, Ed. Way to Go.CPNuisance 10:56, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Do [4] and [5] tell you anything about where this guy's head is at? Seems like there are more timely things to talk about than a 50 year old immigration program just so you can use a naughty word.CPNuisance 11:02, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

San Francisco Bath Houses?

Has anyone noticed that the today in history on CP's main page features an article about the opening of some of the first public bath houses in San Francisco? Is their gaydar broken?--Franklin 10:04, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Ah, you mean bathhouse as in cp:Gay bathhouses? Well, we all know how many people read Ken's very important articles... --Sid 10:12, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Gay bathhouses are relevant to Ken's interests. And probably TK's too, what with the infamous "Boys Gone Wild" matter. Oh, I've said too much... --Kels 10:29, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Oh those durn gays! But hey at least us conservatives don't have to worry about black bathouses right? DSFARGEG 13:57, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Blocking the Planet

I have created the page Conservapedia:Blocking the Planet, with Jeeves' list of colleges, and LArron's IP block count (10^7). If anyone has IP addresses for King's College or College of Charleston, that would be helpful. Also, information about countries and cities. This info seems to be scattered around RW; blocking entire cities and countries is now such a big industry at CP that we ought to have a central list. IIRC, Germany, and much of Ireland and the Netherlands (due to blocking their major ISP's) are blocked. And Philadelphia, since anyone from Philadelphia is AmesG, of course. Enjoy! Gauss 15:33, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Its been awhile since I created a CP sock but I get the impression that any NZ IP will arouse suspicion. Ace McWicked^Revolt 16:07, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Care to rephrase that, Ace? Any IP will arouse suspicion.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 16:13, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

C of C is 12.182.30.10 ENorman 16:52, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

The Louisiana Board of Regents IP is blocked, which I believe includes the University of Louisiana system and LSU--Franklin 18:54, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Watching .... always watching

The KGB TK is always watching:

“”==Thanks== Thanks for keeping an eye on the edits on [[Significance of E. Coli Evolution Experiments]]. Could you please send me an email? There's something I would like to discuss with you. Thanks. [[User:SJohnson|SJohnson]] 15:53, 15 March 2009 (EDT) Is there some reason you have signed up for three accounts "SJohnson"? I see another Administrator has already blocked one, "Staffota", but that you also have yet another, active user name as well. Inquiring minds want to know! Feel free to use the email for the sake of your privacy. --[[User:TK|'''₮K''']]<sub><small><small>/Admin</small></small></sub><sup>[[User_Talk:TK|/Talk]]</sup> 16:08, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Even if you're a creep like SJohnson (Who, I think(?) was backing Andy up on the Lensky stuff?)   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 16:26, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

He finishes with a shot at Andy, "for the sake of your privacy." Could the second leaving be nigh?-- Antifly ^{Now with 50% less retirement!} 16:35, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Andy's not too happy about it. Z3ro^talk

Is Andy the puppetier here? Is he content to let TK toil away on vandal patrol and strong arming noobs, hoping to hatch whatever trollish plan TKL has for CP, but intending to put the boot down on TK anytime he steps out of Andy's imaginary box? Should we even be talking about this? ^Me!Sheesh!_Mine! 18:52, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

That sounds about right (teh vandal patrol, strong arm bit). We should be talking about this as it demonstrates Andy's mentality. Like most Republicans, he is perfectly happy with violence and with riding roughshod over whatever rules and regulations are in place. The ends always justify the means.-- Antifly ^{Now with 50% less retirement!} 18:59, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

"Like most Republicans"? ORLY? Is this RationalWiki or RavingLoonyAntiRepublicanWiki? FFS. Ajkgordon 08:48, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

You know, Ajk, usually I get pissed by stuff like that (hence creating "liberal" versions of "conservative hate" articles whenever I find them), but, er, Republicans in the USA, are guilty of some pretty seriously stupid shit. Like what was said above. It became the party of hate over the last several years (decades?) playing off the ugliest cards of racism, religionism, sexism, homophobia, and nationalism. I'm only glad that they have been virtually marginalized in recent elections. ħuman 03:02, 17 March 2009 (EDT)

He blinded me with TRIUMPH!

As just WIGO'd: Andy's TRIUMPH of conservatism consists of an interesting plan:

1. "Find a lot of words/concepts I like and label them 'conservative'. Like efficiency or productive ."
2. "Find a few words/concepts I don't like and label them 'liberal'. Like feminism or unfair."
3. "Count the number of words found."
4. "?"
5. "Profit! TRIUMPH!"

Seriously, what the Hell? Is this "Dinner Conversation 2.0"? --Sid 20:48, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I know, theres absolutely no ryhme, reason or method to his gibberish. Ace McWicked^Revolt 20:52, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I have to disagree with you there Ace, there is a pattern to Schlafly. Schlafly is a would be intellectual. I know sitting here doing my own research I have a hundred bad ideas every day from things that are on topic to things that have nothing to do with my work at all, most of which aren't even worth committing to scrap paper. If I have had one or two good ideas in a week it has been a very good week. Schlafly on the other hand puts any idea he has straight onto a mainspace article at Conservapedia, however once in the public domain Schlafly will not back down on his idea because he never wants to admit (at least publicly) he is wrong. So instead of a nice waste basket full of ideas no one will ever see, Schlafly has a wiki full of shit which he constantly has to defend from every passing person. - User $\pi$ 21:08, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

@Pi - what I mean is that in this particular instance Andy is just kinda grabbing words from his ass and placing political signigicance on them. Seemingly at random. Ace McWicked^Revolt 21:32, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

They not random, he gets them of his word of the day calendar. - User $\pi$ 21:39, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I think that more than anything Andy wants CP to be seen as a source of conservative intellectualism- I really think he pictures his encycloblog as a sprouting National Review. This is evidenced by Conservapedia insights and Conservapedia terms. My favorite idea "discovered" at CP, by the way, has to be... portion control!

That is what it should be. When I heard of Conservapedia that was what I was expecting. Unfortunately Andy was the one who registered the domain. - User $\pi$ 21:41, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Anyone remember when Andy was seriously considering making CP into a Conservative think tank? I think back to then and giggle. --Kels 06:38, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

Best is how he keeps a running tally of how many conservative words are "generated" per century, and uses those stats as the basis of his "this site language is growing rapidly!" thesis. Of course, he has no clear explanation of what a "conservative" word is, or how M-W's first example date is of any use, and fails to include any of the myriad of "conservative words" used throughout the 17-19th centuries which have since fallen into disuse: projector, par example. 21:01, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

EC) I think that this is possibly the best Schlaflyism yet. Just MAD.   .  ^{Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence} 21:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

I've been in and around linguistics a long time, and even Noam woudln't go so far as to ascribe words to political spectrums. What the hell??? Most words are generated by society's changes, like, oh, technolog, media, interaction with other people... What baffels me is how he can actually sit there and think that he is stating a "truism" in any sense of the word. Dumbfounded.--En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 21:54, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

Wait, so words don't carry the power to shape thought any more? I think Noam would agree with the concept behind Schlafly's list, even if no sane person would agree with the mentally challenged content of it. ħuman 23:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

By the way, how does he not get that "Term Limits" and "Illegal alien" are not *words*, so therefore wouldn't not be in the dicitionary. they are "ideas" "concepts", or "cluster meme" but not "words". "illegal" something against the law "alien" foreigner. how is this not defined, and why would it possibly need it's own entry. (oh, by the by, I can see him sitting with his little college abrighed 100,000 word dictionary, rather than teh 27 volume Oxford English Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language. sighs... that man makes "ignorant" look like a good goal to achieve.--En attendant Godot_{"To-morrow, when I wake, or think I do, what shall I say of to-day?"} 22:03, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

They are "talking points", not "words", it's the fuel the GOP has been running on for almost 30 years. ħuman 23:11, 15 March 2009 (EDT)

And btw, Noam is hardly an influential scientist, just some guy who once had some stupid ideas about language which has long been rejected. According to Andy, that is. --GTac 06:19, 16 March 2009 (EDT)