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Did RSnelik just give up?

here?^img--Opcn (talk) 04:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Who? --Inquisitor (talk) 04:49, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

He got bored. SoCal ²¹² 04:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Can't blame him for getting bored. ^{— Unsigned, by: Opcn / talk / contribs}

Gasp! It was an ANAGRAM of LENSKI all along!!! So long, suckers! *Throws smoke bomb at floor* *Starts coughing and trips over shoelaces*--

Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 10:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Boy, that RSnelik was a mastermind! Phiwum (talk) 11:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Brilliant, but eb1l! He twists and distorts the words of the Founding Fathers(tm)! Typical shabby lieberrrul trick! -- 19:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

More censorship for Ed.

I was poking around the P&T article and I stumbled on Poor PeterBr if you read his contribs you will find nothing at all objectionable, because Kendoll scorched the earth that he wrote on. His crime, if you will recall, was asking that the evolution article be opened up and rewritten because it was difficult to read. --Opcn (talk) 09:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

i know this has been said before

but i really wish that vandals would knock it off. Sure its fun watching the mad scramble when someone blanks a few dozen pages or inserts something witty. But I personally get so much more joy out of watching them add absurd material and fuck eachother over for a tiny bit of perceived power all by themselves. Call it schaudenfreude. It is. joya^{BAD KITTY!} 22:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree, except for the part where you said vandalism was a little bit fun to watch. Vandals suck. Phiwum (talk) 23:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism is nature's way of saying you shouldn't have driven off all those sysops, Andy. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 23:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah most vandals don't provide much entertainment value. Parodist generally don't either for that matter. No the real lulz goodness is watching genuine editors twist reality to suit their warped ideology. Then watch the sparks fly when worldviews collide. --Inquisitor (talk) 23:16, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

1. Yes, it's getting hard to add better parody to CP than the rubbish that the few remaining genuine editors add themselves.

2. Is KenDoll a deep parodist? Acquire total power over the site, write creepy pages about weird subjects, protect them so no-one else can edit or delete them and perma-block editors who complain about his behaviour... A pretty good strategy for destroying CP. The Real James Brown (talk) 23:39, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, every second Andy spends reverting vandalism is a second he isn't thinking of his next Conservative Insight™ for our amusement. (Is it just me or has CP been really boring lately?) --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:02, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

(EC)Actually it's a pretty shitty strategy. No sober minded person would spend 18+ hours a day, 365 days a year, for over 3 years just to bring down CP. Nobody. And even if it's all parody, it's parody that meets with Andy's approval. --Inquisitor (talk) 00:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I really wish he was a deep cover parodist. But with all the pre cp stuff it confuses me as to how. Im more inclined to go with the theory of he believes it and is quite sick. His antics have been repetitive for so long that they bore. I get more entertainment from the dynamic of the other players. In particular uncle ed trying to impress the refugees over at aw without crossing the line far enough to lose his precious little banhammer at cp: and karajou defending all comers against SENIOR sysops even though he has long been aware of and concerned about kens madness. Which i can only assume he does because even though the status quo is truly fucked up it benefits his ego to be a large fish in a teeny tiny pond. Showing a non unified front to that status quo means he may have to notice its dysfunction thus meaning he may have to give up that small modicum of comfort and power. WUhich when it comes down to it is one of the main problems with conservatism in general. But yeah. Vandals aggravate me. I want the real thing. Rant over now. joya^{BAD KITTY!} 00:26, 14 October 2011 (UTC) ^{— Unsigned, by: Scream!! / talk / contribs} 00:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't CP have some kind of automatic mechanism in place against the simplest kinds of vandalism? Peter ^{talk, or type, or whatever...} 00:48, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, they have: try writing "RationalWiki" on there. Scream!! (talk) 00:51, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Kendoll admits that he is more than one person

You don't know if I'm more than one person.^img 71.204.179.212 (talk) 00:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Not exactly an admission, IMHO. -- 00:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey, IP. Are you stupid or...?--Mikalosa (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

"In fact, you don't even know if I am one person or a team." --★uːʤɱ kant 00:41, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Less stupidity and more not being used to Ken's "International Man/Woman/Group of Mystery" act, I'd say. IP Guy, don't fall for Ken's "YOU WILL NEVER KNOW!!!!!!!" act - he's been keeping it up pretty much since day one (and before that on other sites), and the other CP sysops merely humor him in public even though they have known the truth for years, too. --Sid (talk) 00:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The best part of that post is Karajou's take on Hitler. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:50, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

D'oh. I didn't realize that Sid had made the same damned joke an hour before me. Phiwum (talk) 01:26, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken is Legion LordSlug ^{You want me to do...work? what's that?} 01:31, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken are Legion :D --Durbinator^Durbinating 01:54, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken are stoopid. --Longbow (talk) 01:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I'll be honest with you guys. I am kendoll, one of them anyway. It'll make sense if you think about it...--Thunderstruck (talk) 02:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

You like to have sex with men? No worries, enjoy --Opcn (talk) 05:06, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Nah, I'm the one who comes up with the conspiracy theories. KenDoll 4-27 focus on the homosexuality.--Thunderstruck (talk) 12:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘It's true, I run multiple Ken

bots. No doubt there are others. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Surely the obvious answer is that Ken is just schizophrenic. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 13:14, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Terry harps on... something

Terry: Something about Operation F&F^img. Now, i might just not look at the news that much but.. is F&F a big deal or...?--Mikalosa (talk) 02:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The wingnuts are trying to turn a poorly conceived and executed ATF investigation into Obama's Iran-Contra. Godspeed (talk) 02:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Of course if they didn't insist on the God-given right for people to buy AKs and .50BMG sniper rifles, both of which have a whole range of legitimate sporting uses, then this clusterfuck wouldn't have been possible in the first place... --Longbow (talk) 02:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I never read any of Terry's claptrap. But I do enjoy when he gets into heated debates with people who leave comments. On a side note, for months I could never figure out why people called Terry "coke eyes". Then I found his picture on his site, and I was all like "OOOOhhhhhhh.....BWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!" --Inquisitor (talk) 04:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

The 2nd amendment isn't about guns for hunting. --Opcn (talk) 05:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Correct. The 2nd Amendment, being for all intents and purposes roughly a sentence long, does not include a lot of things. Neither hunting rifles or orbital death-ray lasers are mentioned. --Inquisitor (talk) 09:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I think Longbow was being sarcastic. Who uses an AK-47 to hunt deer? ^{ONE / TALK} 09:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I think you'd be surprised what mercans will use to 'hunt'. I know of one who certainly uses an AK47 when he goes deer 'hunting'. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:00, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I deer hunt with my bear hands. Senator Harrison (talk) 10:24, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

When I go hunting for deer I use my army of trained Russian Wrestling Bears... On rollerskates. WeaselNation (talk) 11:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

When I go hunting I use... well, guess.--Longbow (talk) 11:17, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but you can't any chances with them there deer! They might be illegal deer - or ebil muslim terrrrrist deer! Darkmind1970 (talk) 11:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

You use a Boeing AH-64 Apache helicopter? To hunt deer? j/k 82.69.171.94 (talk) 11:54, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I use that thing from the first modern warfare game,l where you get to fly around in a plane destroying everything/fucking with your teammate by shelling the area he'd hiding--Mikalosa (talk) 12:06, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I myself like to hunt with the FGM-148 Javelin. Because its not enough to kill a dear, I want to make the survivors shit themselves. Its called psycological warfare.--Thunderstruck (talk) 12:10, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I hunt deer with nukes. The trick is detonating the nuke close enough to kill but far enough to leave a corpse to be collected. ^{ONE / TALK} 12:47, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I support the right to arm bears. MDB (talk) 12:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I support the rights to back Gandhi with armed nukes--Mikalosa (talk) 12:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

@Senator Harrison - I bear hunt with my deer hands. Carlaugust (talk) 16:45, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm (part) British, goddammit. We prefer our sports more gentlemanly and sedate, so I go fishing down at the local pond, and like to take appropriate equipment. -- 19:11, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

But it's comin' right for us! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 14:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

King George I^img

Ken

produces a halfway sane article not about bestiality? What is this?--Colonel Sanders (talk) 11:04, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

See where he found it Scream!! (talk) 11:21, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Or, more likely, from citizendium. 11:39, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Actually, at the bottom of Scream's link it has "This material from Wikipedia is licensed under the GFDL". So Ken is transgressing Andy's rules about not copying from WP and posting stuff that is GFDL. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 11:43, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, now I see that Ken didn't even write it. It's just a recreation of RJensen's original. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 11:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Andy's homework methods WIGO

Seriously? He's using the dictionary for homework? I'm kind of surprised, because he hasn't spent a lot of time on that project; moreover, just about all the entries are clear parody that I a variety of vandals and trolls have added. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:17, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I think this means he's too lazy even to put in the token effort he used to make devising homework questions. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 00:56, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Andy's demonstrated his laziness many times. A slacker attitude is his only admirable trait, as far as I can tell. --Simple (talk) 01:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Andy is NOT using the Conservative Dictionary Project for homework. In the link from the WIGO he mentions the Study Guide, which I presume means World History Study Guide to 1648^img. Thus the parodist who invented the Conservative Dictionary doesn't have these students' (mis)education on his conscience (that's purely on Andy and their parents/guardians). --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:38, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Serves me right for reading the WIGO and not the actual CP page it links to. Who the fuck was the idiot who put that in with no good reason? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:42, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Schlafly is as bad as my instructor for my American Government class last year. Uhhhh, I don't feel like writing questions and then dragging my lazy arse out here to grade them, so please read the study guide, memorize a few, recollect your thoughts, quiz yourself on them all for as much time as you have, which should be more than plenty proivded you are all homeschoolers who have no soical life (much like me!) and your parents are paying for this crap, so you better study hard and earn those nine or ten out of ten marks I gave you.

An interesting note: the students are having a history bee? Is this the crap Schlafly does in his basement of something?--Colonel Sanders (talk) 11:07, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

My elecotromagnetic field theory professor in college wrote the textbook we used. His homework assignments were "pick ten questions from the end of the chapter." MDB (talk) 12:29, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Question from somebody who never worked with a study guide, but only with kinda-sorta-like-a-textbook stuff, is this how study guides are supposed to be?

The way Andy describes the process is pretty much how I learn vocabs and Chinese signs for years now, just without the weird procentage stuff. --★uːʤɱ libertarian 13:55, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The study guides that I prepare for my students tend to be comprised of questions, not just factoids and definitions. The questions are meant to guide their studying. See what I did there? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 13:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, so you do the stuff in study guides you should have done already in class. --★uːʤɱ libertarian 14:08, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

And with "you" I mean general you and not specific personal "you". --★uːʤɱ pirate 14:09, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Stuff that was covered in class, readings that weren't covered in class, all of it is fair game for an exam. Exam questions are often hinted at very sharply in, or even reproduced from, the questions in the study guide. Rewards those who use the damn thing after all the trouble that went into making it....B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 14:20, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Have you guys noticed the gem that is Andy's comment on the (excellent) answer to question 7 here^img? --84.114.206.68 (talk) 23:25, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

OK, but the "shade of grey" approach gets tiresome. It's why I stopped reading the Economist. Nearly every article was a "truth is somewhere in between the two extremes" type of story.

I think this sums up Schlafly's entire world view. Everything is polarised into a complete dichotomy; it fits perfectly with his "you're either with us or against us, dirty liberals" mindset. άλφα^Ταλκ 03:18, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure Ken, how about even more national stereotypes you just googled?

[1]^img Oh, Ken, what many Europeans would really like to do is take our brand new eurofighters, tell the OWS demonstrators to get out of the way and bomb those bankers that caused this shit to hell and back. Just my input from a real German that lives in Germany. --★uːʤɱ constructivist 21:28, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

It's like watching a six year old try to talk about the economy. If youze is lazy, people no give you money. But Germans, dey work good so dey have lots of money. Greek people is lazy, dats why theyz haz trouble. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:11, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

WTF is the idiot talking about? How the fuck is the USA going to bail Europe out? What with, more Chinese money? --Longbow (talk) 00:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

And why would the US bail "the Europeans" (Eurozone? EU? Continental? Schengen? Help!) out? If Europe would have massive inflation due to pumping money into Greece to save their asses, that would be great for America, people drop the Euro, switch back to dollar, a bit of deflation for the dollar, people have more money in their pockets and the US has some jobs again. But seriously now, the original source has some points, the term "chain reaction" might be something to consider here, but they fail to see that this would not be a transatlantic problem but an international one. Also by the time Greece would default we would probably already nationalize everything and try another economical system… it's not like we haven't done that before. --★uːʤɱ constructivist 00:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyway a Greek default would be a disaster for France and the UK, but probably survivable for Germany. Where do you live in Germany? --Longbow (talk) 01:01, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Hamburg, but I'm from Baden-Württemberg originally. --★uːʤɱ secularist 01:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Lucky bastard. I like Hamburg. I live in Ostwestfalen. --Longbow (talk) 01:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

@UHM: the Wir können alles. Außer Hochdeutsch" Baden-Württemberg?--Mikalosa (talk) 01:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Yep, exactly that one, although as my father is from Cologne, we actually speak Standard German at home and I am not able to speak Swabian - or any other dialect for that matter. --★uːʤɱ anti-communist 10:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I have picked up a little Afrikaans...."voetsek UHM, you Poes." Ace^ace 10:35, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I thought you married a little Afrikaans? In other news: Ace, jou fokken dom hoop droeë donkie drol. Dis "jou poes", nie "you poes" nie." Jirrlikheid, fokken souties, net waar 'n mens kyk. --PsyGremlinPraat! 13:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

No fucking way man, I didn't marry no fucking rock-spider. She is British South African. Ace^ace 21:18, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I knew a kid from S.Africa in my AP euro who could speak some Afrikaans. I also knew foreign exchange student from Norway, and oh my she was hilarious. She also got enjoyment from simple things in life, like electric pencil sharpers. Europe why are you so different?--Mikalosa (talk) 12:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Because many of we Europeans long ago threw of the shackles of outdated religious belief systems and learned to become fre thinking individuals. In the process we learned that the world, even it's most mundane pieces, is an endlessly fascinating and enjoyable place. An electric pencil sharpener is far from simple if you are being honest, it is an amazing thing that science has allowed us to create. The fact you find it simple and her enjoyment of it hilarious says a lot more about you than it does about her. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

when her best friend/host also finds it funny, and so does she...--Mikalosa (talk) 12:46, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

What? WTF do you mean? And good to see you back being a dick at cp by the way. You unblocked yourself to be a shit to AugustO and then forgot to reblock yourself. Oldusgitus (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Just to drag this back on track, I think it's wonderful that in the abscence of any intelligence on CP, Ken has been reduced to providing the economic posts on CP as well as informing us about the ills of bestiality. It's just another step towards Kendollopedia, where ALL content is provided by Ken, as ALL articles are locked. --PsyGremlinSprich! 13:59, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

And every article deleted and then recreated by Ken just for good measure. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 16:25, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

The Inquisition wasn't that bad...

after all, "torture was used by virtually all civil authorities in that time, usually as a threat to discourage lying by witnesses (perjury). Torture could be applied only once and could not endanger life or limb."^img Glorious. Frankly, I don't know too much about that time period, and I'm sure the world history lectures have come up before, but the main problem I see with this piece is the sort-of argumentum ad populum as a justification for torture. Not to mention that even if torture is "only applied once and can't endanger you," I can't imagine it's a very pleasant experience... if we only waterboard/wall you once, it's still problematic. άλφα^Ταλκ 03:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

On a related note, this is the first time I've been able to view CP in weeks! Clearly, nothing has really changed. Poor timing, though, since exams are just picking up and I don't need any distractions... άλφα^Ταλκ 04:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

man, i know what you mean about exams *checks RW every couple of minutes*... LordSlug ^{You want me to do...work? what's that?} 07:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

3,000 words on the cult of Sobek or epic lulz as CP justifies torture and does Economics 101 by a 5 year old... 3,000 words on the cult of Sobek or epic lulz as CP justifies torture and does Economics 101 by a 5 year old... urgh, must...not...procrastinate.... -- 09:09, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, Andy, you might want to see this

http://dvice.com/archives/2011/10/speedy-neutrino.php. Pretty solid evidence supporting relativity. Senator Harrison (talk) 15:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Of course, on Planet Andy it's just a liberal conspiracy to make sure that physicists can keep teaching kids about relativism. --Longbow (talk) 17:47, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

You can't save relativity with relativity. This study proves it wrong, along with numerous other counterexamples like the oddly specific speed of Jesus prayers, so you can't stick in the theory that's wrong to make it right! --Opcn (talk) 20:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't keep me in suspense Ed!!!!

What are the "important exceptions" where men who have sex with men aren't considered homosexual?^img When it's you and Ken? When it's Rev Moon and his acolytes? When?? --PsyGremlinParla! 16:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

im a bit confused by eds angle on that as well--Mikalosa (talk) 16:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

"Homosexuality" is an identity position, "Men who have sex with men" describes a behavior. I could have sex with men for any number of reasons--not having access to women because I'm incarcerated, needing to do sex work with male clients, being targeted for sexual abuse/rape by other men, etc.etc.etc. without identifying as homosexual. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 16:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

It's not gay as long as both men are (at least) 100% straight and only do it once or twice. Don't you know anything about the unwritten rules of denial? Vulpius (talk) 16:52, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

But given that Ed and co think that any buttsex is bad because the Bible says so, surely there can't be ANY exceptions? Unless Ed has had an interesting weekend and now needs to cleanse himself? --PsyGremlinFale! 16:55, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

The exceptions are important pastors and prominent anti-gay politicians. --Roofus (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

An exception? Ted Haggard. You know anyone Conservapedia thinks is worth calling a "conservative", yet has a non-conservative past. Sort of like a No True Scotsman and Double Standard merging together. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 17:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Wait a second, I thought all sex outside of marriage is bad and as marriage is only between one man and one woman - erm, I guess Ed is telling us that sex outside of marriage is ok sometimes? Also, for the rape stuff, if a man gets raped by a man, is the victim then still, erm, "tainted"? Anybody got a priest nearby? --★uːʤɱ federalist 17:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

WTF?^img --★uːʤɱ pervert 18:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

"Vandalism" at CP now means writing anything at all that the clique of increasingly paranoid ruling goons aren't happy with. --Longbow (talk) 18:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

It's only gay if the balls touch. --Opcn (talk) 20:20, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Forced bi, but I'm sure Ken

isn't aware of such perversions, right? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:19, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

That's hot. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

...said the Yaoi fangirl. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow, complete lack of any familiar cultural references for me there. I had no idea what any of that meant. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 00:45, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

TVTropes being crack is the only reason I know anything about anime. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:57, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

This might be an inprovement

I think the reasoning might actually be a moderation of the butt secks be ebil "thought" of many on the right.
Consider: The famous "clobber passage" from Romans1 wherein it describes that one should be true to one's nature; if one's nature is to be ghey then to have sexual relations with an woman would be agin such nature and worng (sin)...hence the "sin" in Romans1 isn't that ghey men have sex but that there are (were) idolaters who (as a matter of worshiping their idol) would have teh butt secks with men; completely against their nature (as straight men). 21:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC) C®ackeЯ

Autumn folliage

A new dishonest question^img for which I have an honest answer. The green was it for most of our evolutionary history, so other colors are striking, additionally one of the real advantages trichromic primates like ourselves had was finding ripe fruit and finding the color red very attractive. When the season comes to an end the plants export nitrogenous compounds from the leaves (keeping them alive while rescuing their nutritional content) and in the process they pump in Anthocyanins to maintain ionic balance. With the sharp change in coloration away from one that mammals have evolved to ignore and towards one that sighted mammals depend on to find fruit we find ourselves very drawn to the foliage. End of story. --Opcn (talk) 15:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

How will Andy take this one? On the one hand, Ken totally cockblocked his Best New Conservative Wank, but on the other hand, autumn foliage is one of Andy's boner-inducing phrases. ^{ONE / TALK} 15:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I have a snarky answer: autumn foliage is' quite beautiful... until it turns brown, falls off the trees, and you have to rake the damn things. (Or pay someone to come in with industrial strength leaf blowers.) MDB (talk) 16:08, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Great, not only is it a fallacy but now Ken has made Main Page look shitty (that picture is not in line with the others) and I can't look at it again because their server is craping up again. Content=FAIL. Presentation=FAIL. Technical Support=FAIL. Is there anything these people are usefull for?

The actual rebutal to this fallacy is that the tree is not trying to look beautifull for us, but it just appears that way to us. And would insects be an argument for evolution then? --★uːʤɱ socialist 16:13, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

How about explaining the breathtaking ugliness of childhood meningitis, trichoma, ichneumon wasps, earthquakes, tsunamis, and God's other little jokes. Cantabrigian (talk) 16:51, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

That's easy. It's the deterioration of God's perfect Creation since the Fall. Ajkgordon (talk) 17:09, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, God likes to torture those who sin before he sents them to be endlessly tortured in hell. God, must God have fun torturing those who he loves. He's a nice guy, right? --★uːʤɱ digital native 17:14, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Er... something something something free-will something something. Ajkgordon (talk) 17:20, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I think autumn foliage is beautiful, and disproves atheism. Therefore, God must exist. It's so simple. Praise Hathor, the cow-goddess of love and beauty! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 17:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Cantabrigian, the way it was explained to me when I was a child was that the Lord our God is a loving God so if you get meningitis or hit by a tsunami, you must have done something to displease him. Calvinism: you know it makes sense. The Real James Brown (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Abrahamic Religions: You know it works when you blame everything on yourself. --★uːʤɱ secularist 20:15, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Isn't Calvinism more it pleases god to afflict you with the pox, so he does. Anyway, everyone knows autumn foliage is caused by Persephone having to go make sweet love to Hades six months of the year. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 20:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

"What could be better than an organization where the consumer blames himself for product failure?" — Ellis Weiner on religion ... of liberals? (talk) 21:01, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I do like the parochialism of the Autumn foliage obsession. It is not a worldwide phenomenon. Sphincter (talk) 21:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

It's a phenomenon in those parts of the world that matter to Andy and therefore to God. ... of liberals? (talk) 21:55, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Many trees and bushes produce their fruits and seeds in the autumn, so if you're drawn to a forest with autumn foliage you get to find the hazel nuts, the walnuts, the hawthorn berries, the sweet chestnuts. You can eat them now or store some for the winter. If you're a farmer you get to the beech mast, the achorns, the horse chestnuts etc that you can feed to livestock.

Ofcourse the above applies only to wild trees and bushes, many garden trees and bushes have been selectively bred for autumn foliage. I'm not Jesus (talk) 09:27, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The way I see it, when man came up with the idea of beauty, he had to choose from the set of things that actually exist - and since it was a long time ago it was likely natural things. So the fact that something out there in nature happens to be the thing that humans commonly define as beautiful doesnt seem surprising.

Andy's latest reasoning: "No evolutionary explanation exists for something beautiful that appeared before any creature existed to appreciate the beauty."^img That's right, folks, beauty existed before living things = Goddidit. I'll throw a bone and assume by "creatures", he means mammalian creatures. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 02:46, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

And the response^img. άλφα^Ταλκ 03:09, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Finding the same objects aesthetically beautiful also enhances group solidarity. Those who do not like what the rest of the group likes become socially deviant which reduces their chances of survival. What we find aesthetically good and bad is strongly influenced by our culture.

Liking autumn foliage may help us to survive if that gets us to look for useful resources in autumn woodlands. As a previous poster mentioned liking red autumn colours may be a by-product of something else. We like the colour red because many ripe fruits are red and our pre hominid ancestors ate a lot of fruit, ripe fruits are also sometimes yellow as are autumn leaves. Even for those of us who no longer get useful resources from autumn woodlands liking what other people like helps us to be accepted in our group. So once something like appreciation for autumn foliage has become part of our nature evolution can maintain it even when there is no clear present advantage. I'm not Jesus (talk) 08:59, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

TerryH: At least he's consistent!

I wasn't in a highly productive/creative mood tonight, so I finally did one of the more mind-numbing projects I always wanted to do: Checking if our stereotype of TerryH (obsessed with spamming links to his site and with fanboying about Atlas Shrugged) is true.

I grabbed his last 100 edits (covering the time from September 4 until today) and checked which ones are about Atlas Shrugged and which ones are linkspam.

And guess what, he didn't do anything besides these two things. At all. 55 linkspam edits (including a few edits where he "merely" edited/fixed his linkspam posts), 45 Atlas Shrugged edits. That's it.

Though I guess that his actual article content is at least more family friendly than Ken's bestiality orgy... --Sid (talk) 21:50, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

... and it's a hell of a lot more than JPratt or Popeye did in the same period. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 21:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Looks like this^img is his last non-linkspam or Atlas Shrugged edit. It was made on September 3rd. The last one before that^img was on July 10th. --Roofus (talk) 22:19, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I can't believe I just missed the first non-pet-project edit. Maybe I should extend the table to 150 just for the lulz of having one in it? --Sid (talk) 22:28, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I wonder how many of those edits were made while vandalism was actively occurring, since Terry's one of the sysops who never seems to do even basic reversions. άλφα^Ταλκ 22:40, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes sid, extend your experiment to fit the convenient data. I'm glad to see that you've been paying attention in your Schlafly statistics courses. --Opcn (talk) 23:12, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

There's also the minor point that TerryH is largely MAKING IT ALL UP. I mean, his John Galt article includes the line "John Galt was born in 1919." Whatever page of Atlas Shrugged that information is on must have fallen out of my copy. --Longbow (talk) 23:29, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily, I once determined the age of a character of a TV show (TVD, yes, I do watch that kind of stuff) solely by three other dates given. The age was never said on the show, but that doesn't mean you can't come up with it somehow. --★uːʤɱ libertarian 23:33, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

As I recall, Atlas Shrugged doesn't give ANY dates. --Longbow (talk) 23:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, in that case Terry is just making stuff up. (Sorry, never read Atlas Shrugged) --★uːʤɱ libertarian 00:17, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Opcn, your snark falls slightly flat: The point I wanted to make (that TerryH is obsessed with exactly two things these days) is made perfectly fine in the 100 List. Extending the range of the "experiment" would yield data that shows that he at least does one other edit every couple of months. But sure, keep telling yourself that not repeating an experiment because it might return inconvenient data is honest. ;) --Sid (talk) 23:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

It was tongue in cheek I assure you. I didn't know until his latest reply to me that he is a Birther. --Opcn (talk) 00:03, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Where can I enroll in this Schlafly statistics course? Honestly, I'm sort of tired of all this standard deviation, p-value, post-hoc correction nonsense. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:22, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Did "Critical Thinking In Math" ever go anywhere? Or did it die and become a "Let's not talk about it. Ever." issue on CP? --Sid (talk) 01:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Multiply Andy's proficiency in Math with his proficiency in Critical Thinking (don't forget to include the portion that exists on theimaginary plane) and you get the cross-sectional area of the course content. Multiply that by the expected duration of the course and you get the volume of material. If the volume is less than or equal to fuckall then you cannot have a course. Andy will have a course after he awards the conservamath medall; the award that has the entire math world waiting on baited breath. --Opcn (talk) 08:39, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

So we're looking at a number to the north-west of 0, eg -33 + 19i multiplied by the time element. Not looking good for the course... What's the unit/symbol for 'proficiency'? D? Peter ^{talk, or type, or whatever...} 09:24, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

gossip Wigo

You see I took user's recommendation in a completely different light. I was thinking that EE being related to the others meant not that he was unreliable but rather that he has seen if first hand and knows it's bad even though his family who he loves does not agree with him. --Opcn (talk) 03:58, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

"'Imagine' fails to mention that atheists have been the world's biggest mass murders in history..."

"Imagine there's no Heaven/It's easy if you try/No Hell Below us/Only the decaying remains of Jews, Gypsies, Ukranians, Kulaks, and enemies of the revolution." B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 15:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

"Did John Lennon didn't treat his girlfriends/wives and his son cruelly?" Damn, that is a bad sentence even by Ken standards. X Stickman (talk) 16:03, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm starting to wonder if Ken is incapable of typing and merely copy/pastes phrases together, depending on what a search engine beginning with G throws up on his screen. --PsyGremlinFale! 16:13, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've always assumed that, if ken actually is a group of people, its a situation like that plot they've used twice now in bakuman, where a kid uses 50/X amount of people ot come up with his manga plots for him.--Mikalosa (talk) 16:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Answered!^img --PsyGremlinFale! 16:56, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah it's ok - Karajerk is there to wipe Ken's ass for him.^img --PsyGremlin말하십시오 17:03, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

So let me get this straight--one sysop is in discussion with an editor, and another sysop who is totally uninvolved deletes the sysop's conversation. Nothing's changed there. nobs^{Empty Recycle Bin} 01:39, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure it will improve once Andy asks you back to maintain MPR for him in the run-up to the election next year. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Wow Psy, "your" sock sure came up with an solid list of songs about atheism. --Tabrcg23 (talk) 18:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but are they beautiful like autumn leaves? --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 18:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

"Autumn Leaves" is a beautiful song, but I don't think it's about atheism. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 18:45, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

We need to keep a copy of that list around here somewhere. --Opcn (talk) 19:58, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Quite a lot (possibly all) of the beautiful hymns I was brought up with don't mention mass-murder by Christians. But I guess that wouldn't be a problem for CP because the fact they were mass-murderers means they weren't really Christians. Have I got the logic right there? The Real James Brown (talk) 22:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Is anyone else right now using that list of songs right now as a music playlist? I hadn't heard of most of them before and they're quite interesting to hear. Protoman (talk) 22:37, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Throw this in there too, why not. X Stickman (talk) 23:21, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Can I just point you all to possibly the best and most beautiful apparently atheist song I have ever heard. Whenever I feel sad I listen to this and realise that I am dust in the wind and that one day I will once again rejoin the cosmic dance. And for that I smile and rejoice that the universe has spun me out to enjoy this brief period of awakening before I once again rejoin the unconscious dance throughout what is left of time. Oldusgitus (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget this one. I always cry when I hear it's beauty. SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 02:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Missing mud?

I see the manchild has stumbled upon a new obsession^img. Oldusgitus (talk) 09:28, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

If we ignore one or more large parts of the model at a time then the incomplete models never fit the data, therefor the complete model can't work either, because the sum is never more than the individual sums of the parts. QED evilution is a lie. (clearly I've got a great future ahead of me in creation science) --Opcn (talk) 10:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The stupidity of this is mind-numbing. The mud of course has since made other rocks because the Earth is not the same now as it was; but getting one's head around this concept is completely beyond the creatards. The so-called Creation 'Scientists' are even dumber than the Omphalists because they try to use some pseudoscience to prove their 6000 year-old scenario and universal flooddidit geology. One the one hand they whine about the lack of ocean sediments proving a young earth yet saying "As the waters flowed off the continents into the oceans in the second half of Noah’s Flood they deposited the sediment in just a few months", yet at the same time they claim that those thousands of metres of sediment formed the rocks that make up the Grand Canyon. So which was it, washed off into the seas or laid down on land? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 11:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Yah you atheist scum, explain where the mud is! WHERE IS THE FUCKING MUD !!!!--Mikalosa (talk) 13:47, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd like to see "Where's the mud?" become the new "Where's the birth certificate?" DickTurpis (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

If only Ken would publish his insights outside of CP... I'm sure such crushing truths would destroy atheism like that (makes clicking sound). If only. Then again... he might be expected to actually back up his claims out in the real world, so never going to happen. --PsyGremlinFale! 16:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, another one of those articles. I swear, wherever these creationists go to university must strike the term "dynamic equilibrium" from their textbooks as an evil darwinist conspiracy. Where's the salt? Where's the mud? Imbeciles. Doubly so, since they can look at a wall of sedimentary rock 1000 metres high one day and say "that didn't form over millions of years!" and the next day turn round and ask "hey! where's all the sediment going?" without realising they've been duped. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 17:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken craps on MPR^img

Not big news or anything, just figured I'd cap it. Ken my love, a word of advice, read what you write aloud, quietly if you don't want to wake up your mom, and then click submit. Saying that " The unemployment rate between the educated and uneducated is very large" makes it sound like you're on the wrong end of that disparity. Now to find my bed made of sleep...--Opcn (talk) 11:19, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

That whole "Can't tudor after 11 pm", it almost seems as if he's against kids getting a good nights sleep. Then again, this is a man who goes a whole 6 hours without editing...--Thunderstruck (talk) 11:45, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

If you can't "tudor" after 11 pm, can you york instead? MDB (talk) 12:38, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

A course! A course! My Kingdom for a course! Cantabrigian (talk) 12:48, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, the irony of Ken complaining about people with no marketable skills who don't understand economics. DickTurpis (talk) 12:50, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

wait, "Get a library card" Ken?

But... but according to God Andy books and therefor libraries are evil! And largely written by evil atheist liberals--Mikalosa (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I do wonder if Ken has a list of playground insults, sorted by type, to which he can refer twhen he suddenly needs one. There's no way he has the conversational agility to recall an appropriate one from memory. Perhaps somewhere in his countless user sub-pages there is such a list. ^{ONE / TALK} 14:46, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

And notice, every time he makes an insult, he has to link to an "atheism and ________" article. In other words, MAKE UP MORE INSULTS KEN! MOAR ATHEISM ARTICLES! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 16:10, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I remember the school yard, and I'm pretty sure that "insult" would get you creamed through a fine brass sieve.--Opcn (talk) 17:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

As usual the data is manipulated

Of course Ken is attempting to claim that the greater the percentage of atheists, the higher the unemployment^img, and uses a biased sample of three states to "prove" his point. Of course if we use three states in the Bible Belt (Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia) who are among the worst when it comes to "the teaching of evolution" according to one of Ken's links, and among the least percentage of citizens with "no religion" (2nd, 4th, and 13th respectively and thus among the most religious); then we compare them to Washington and Oregon, his "conclusion" falls flat on its face. Indeed when we compare Washington and Oregon to the Carolinas (5th and 9th when it comes to percentage of religious according the sources Ken cites), the two "atheist states" do better, how does he account for this? Of course you will never hear any of these pesky facts on CP; facts that took five minutes to research. Facts are suppressed when they challenge dogma there, because they do not right to support the truth, only their own unsupported biases. --BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 14:32, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Usually if they make a mistake they correct it, but blatant dishonesty of statistics must not be challenged. Ken will just troll anyone who points that out, and none of the sysops will give a fuck. Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 16:12, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

North Dakota is one of the best educated states out there, It's also a state with easy to access oil in hospitable places and low tax rates. The educated people of ND are by in large educated at real schools, not creationist diploma mills. All the Petroleum Geologists behind the economic growth are going to be either evolutionists or old earth creationists. North Dakota is also a state with a large number of Paleontologists in it, because lots of fossil dig sites are found there. While ND is one of the more religious states it's not one of the more creationist states. Perhaps you should pick a different poster child Ken? Oh, and isn't South Korea one of the most organically atheist countries in the world? (Christian 26.3% (Protestant 19.7%, Roman Catholic 6.6%), Buddhist 23.2%, other or unknown 1.3%, none 49.3%)--Opcn (talk) 17:52, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

In fairness (and I hate to say this, but I did the calculation, and I can't supress data now that I know it - otherwise, we're no better than them), I did a quick calc of the correlation between Church Attendance and Unemployment Rate, by State, and found a slight negative correlation (-0.051466), which suggests that the two move ever-so-slightly opposite of each other, although they are essentially uncorrelated. But, with such a small sample size and by not controlling for other demographics, it is essentially meaningless. Also, DC, California, and Nevada screw up the data, since they have very low Church Attendance, and very high Unemployment.
So, my conclusion: there is no significant relationship between Church Attendance and Unemployment, at least not without control for other factors. Take from it what you will. Carlaugust (talk) 18:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

EPIC blast from "RexBanner" re: the homework

Epic^img. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 03:38, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Just shows Andy doesn't know squat about the stuff he tries to teach. Sam ²¹² 03:55, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The Franks were Germanic. Germanic denotes the language group. They can be politically distinct but still be members of the same language group. --Opcn (talk) 04:01, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Did you read the other 11 points? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 04:16, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Rex points to at least five totally, undeniably incorrect answers. Andy: "Nitpicky." – Nick Heer 04:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

And Rex comes to completely rip andy^img to pieces. I can't wait to see andy's response to that one. Oldusgitus (talk) 09:40, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Is Rex banner a real student person or a parodist? It's not hard to find an example of Andy giving full credit for a wrong answer or partial credit for a right answer, I'm surprised his list is so short really. --Opcn (talk) 10:22, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Well I have my doubts about Rex tbh but it's the claim that he is the representative of the student board that makes this quite fun to watch. Does the student board even exist and if so how can a 'student' in the UK represent any of the real people in the US that andy is mentally abusing. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm somewhat surprised to read RB had been approached by multiple students. I'd always assumed the kind of people who weren't paradoists who signed up for his courses or were forced to, were the kind of people who wouldn't doubt the great Andy (or at least wouldn't mention it to anyone) even if he made clear mistakes or was completely inconsistent and illogical in his marking. Of course perhaps RB wasn't approached by anyone, they just knew no one would contradict them and Andy wouldn't check. Nil Einne (talk) 11:11, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how he could have been approached by anyone without it being out in the open when CP mail has been disabled for months. I ran into that very problem with my good faith account when I wanted to thank someone for helping me without drawing attention to what I was thanking him for. 14:36, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah makes it sound like RB did just make it up. But that's even funnier then, I'm guessing Andy isn't going to realise that since he (or whoever) disabled email, it's even less likely RB was approached. Although it seems at least one student does like RB [2]^img [3]^img although I do wonder if [4]^img is a genuine student. Perhaps they really did 'approach' RB it's just that they're all parodists communicating offsite, or may be there's only like 2 or 3 people involved. Nil Einne (talk) 12:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

"Listen lady, it ain't up to us to pick and choose what laws to follow. If it were, I'd kill everyone who looked at me cock-eyed!" --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 11:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

"I'll get you Beer Baron!" --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 11:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

How will it end?

Another admin quietly blocks Rex for "trolling"	41	Vote
Trimmed by Andy	15	Vote
Nonsensical reply from Conservative	3	Vote
Rex gives up in frustration and fades away	3	Vote
Incites revolution and leads the students to freedom while triumphant fanfare echoes in the background	9	Vote
Rex gets catapulted out of town	23	Vote

Rex tries again.^img B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 14:26, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh my gloob, Rex hit Andy so hard I bet he fell down with him. Rex looks like the type who won't back down with that tone as "student representative". Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 16:08, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

If Rex is indeed one of Andy's students, there must be some very interesting dynamics going on in that church basement. First the girls tried to speak up against Andy's sexism, not the class is finally rebelling against being taught utter crap by Andy. Good for them. Hopefully, they'll go to their parents and Andy will find himself out of a job. --PsyGremlinFale! 16:23, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

No, Rex is an online student from the UK. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 08:31, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Aaaaannnnnnd "trim(med) for new comments"^img by Andy .--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 18:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

La, la, la, la, I can't hear you! Scream!! (talk) 18:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, the hypocrisy…

What, you defend somebody's religious rights and freedom to travel? Oh and you even have the audacity to grand unpaid leave? You have a muslim agenda!^img What would the reaction be if this was a Catholic wanting to see the Vatican, Bethlehem or Jerusalem? --★uːʤɱ libertarian 20:37, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

It was Illinois, the state where Obama was alledgedly senator. Open yer mind.--Thunderstruck (talk) 21:31, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Jpatt, sorta, already admitted it is just anything muslim related to obamas actions. --Mikalosa (talk) 22:42, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, presumably Catholics would lose since a pilgrimage isn't an obligation of the Christian faith. On the other hand, the Hajj is only mandatory for those who can make it, and only once in their life. I think there's a reasonable case to be made that the woman ought to use paid leave to make the trip. Not really sure what the rules are about teachers taking leave during term time, though. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 23:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Wait, nobody here actually thinks that the right thing for the state to do is to take legal action in order to facilitate somebody doing something to worship her Invisible Skydaddy, right? B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 23:51, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The school shouldn't be making exceptions at the expense of the students. If she felt it was her religious duty to leave at that moment then she should have taken it also as her religious duty to accept the costs of that journey, one of those costs was that she lost her job. The feds were clearly wrong to assist her. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 01:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Did she REALLY have to do it then and not say, a few weeks later when it was all scheduled any better timed?--Mikalosa (talk) 02:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Hajj happens at a specific time every year that floats with the lunar calendar. You can't just do it whenever you want. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it's making the first haj that you can make. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 02:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahh.. not being muslim or to interested i've never read to much about Haj Being a protestant christian, amongst other things, i have no understanding of the importance of ritual/pilgrimage/ect for a religious reason either. ^{— Unsigned, by: Mikalos209 / talk / contribs}

It's usually in the news every couple of years after a record number of people get trampled to death at it. They ain't so good at crowd control over in mecca. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 03:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The main problem is the sheer size of the crowds. You have never seen anything like it, if you're imagining something like a major sports event, or New Year in a big city, you aren't even on the right scale. We're talking literally millions of people, often with no common language and no local knowledge, trying to get to the same places at set times. Imagine if you somehow held all the Olympics events simultaneously in one venue. And then, to top that off, about a million of them are in a hurry to catch planes home afterwards, so they'd like to get finished as early as possible. The Saudis have done a lot of work to improve crowd flow - the area appears crazily over-supported by infrastructure for most of the year, and it's actually pretty impressive how few die when something goes wrong. We're lucky Mecca is in Saudi and not one of the poor-as-shit countries, because then it'd be a lot more dangerous. Anyway aside from the caveat that religion, and particularly organised religion, is bad news, Hajj is pretty good. It forces Muslims to mix and see a wider spectrum of people and mostly they come away from that experience with broader horizons and that kind-of hippy understanding that we're all more alike than different, which is a powerful anti-hate sentiment. If you've got a dozen teenage Western Muslims who you're worried may turn to terrorism, you could do worse than put them on a plane to Mecca for Hajj. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 12:08, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Point is this is still fuck all to do with Obama or any imaginary muslim agenda as propounded by the wingnuts. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:56, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know, the "only if you can make it rule" applies only if you're insanely poor and just can't afford the travel or for example you have many farm animals and you're working the farm alone, so the animals would die without you (which would be the end of your business and jump start you into poverty). As she was a teacher in the US, she has enough money to make the trip and has to make the trip. But not granting her unpaid leave to do so is an infringement to act out her religious beliefs without hurting anybody else in the process - also she paid for it herself. You could ask a different question of course: What would they say if a school would hold classes Sunday morning and didn't allow a Christian teacher to go to church? --★uːʤɱ atheist 09:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

For crowd control reasons, Saudi Arabia does limit the number of people who can go. Each country tends to have a quota. I'm not sure if this applies to the US, I presume there's no centralised organisation or government involved in the US unlike in those countries (including places like Russia [7], India [8] [9] and South Africa [10]) in any case.

If there is a quota for the US and it's regularly exceeded, this makes it much harder since she may have little way of knowing when she will be selected. As she's female and under the age of 45, she also needs a wp:Mahram to accompany her [11] [12] which means both of them will need to be able to attend which further complicates scheduling issues. If she doesn't have one, it's not obligatory for her to perform the Hajj [13] [14]. But I presume she had one otherwise she wouldn't gave gone. And since she had one, and he was able to attend, and both had the financial resources; I'm guessing under many common intepretation it was obligatory for her to perform the hajj.

BTW the agreement says they should work on the issue on a case by case basis and the leave only need to be "granted if it poses no undue hardship on the school district" Volokh conspiracy (found from Conservapedia). Some more details on the original case are here [15] (it's not clear to me it was during term time but it was evidentally during marking time).

Also if you follow the VK links you find [16] which mentions there is some history here where the Justice Department has got involved over refusals to grant leave for wp:Worldwide Church of God religious convocation as well as for sabbath and other one day (or part of one day) religious observance related reasons. E.g. [17] (where's the article on H.W. Bush's Christian agenda?) & [18] [19] [20] [21] (I'm sure they don't like Jimmy Carter but I haven't seen them complain about his Christian agenda) & [22] (evil ole Willy, conservapedia must list his many flaws but I'm guessing they still don't mention his evil Christian agenda), [23] (oh dear, our hero W. Bush had an evil Christian agenda?)....

Nil Einne (talk) 12:21, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

BTW about 82.69.171.94's point, I believe the Hajj was part of a significant turning point for wp:Malcolm X Nil Einne (talk) 12:43, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Conservapedia and North Dakota

Six edits for this, and Eleven edits to get to this, and his point in all of this is to tell us god fearing states have lower unemployment, like Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi. God ken needs a life.--Thunderstruck (talk) 02:47, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Hey man, what can I say, being focused on the return of God and what happens after You die makes you a lot more job interested. --Mikalosa (talk) 02:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Return of God? I though he was supposed to be here all the time. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 08:17, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Pah, everybody knows that God will only return once the Muslim Atheist Anti-Christ Obama leaves the White House. --Sid (talk) 09:49, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The myans predicted the world would end December of 2012. The new president would assume office in January 2013. So they where off by a month, considering the technology of the time, thats still damn impressive.--Thunderstruck (talk) 10:52, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Of course there is also North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida, and Kentucky in comparison to Washington and Oregon; truly these states are also hotbeds of atheism in America's "Secular Belt", right?--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 11:59, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Congressional approval ratings

Does anyone recall a few years ago when the Democrats controlled Congress that someone at CP (probably Rob) used Congressional approval numbers for Democrats as a whole, the logic being that since Dems controlled Congress they two must be interchangable? I'm wondering how they'd look at those numbers now that Republicans control half of Congress and approval ratings are somewhere between 10 and 15%. I guess they'll argue that The Senate's rating of -70% is driving down the House's 95% approval. DickTurpis (talk) 21:25, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Simple, all RINO's. Every single one of the Obamageddon winners.--Mikalosa (talk) 21:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

This one's for you Ken Doll(s)

Apparently Atheists DO donate to charity, the problem is, thanks to folks like kendoll People don't like Atheists. Shame to, that money could have helped.--Thunderstruck (talk) 21:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I bet they STOLE that money from church collection things or a charity or something! Afterall, atheists are moralless fuckers who hate all things!--Mikalosa (talk) 21:37, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Shit, you've figured out the truth. WeaselNation (talk) 23:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Need to cap this

Don't mind me...^img. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 21:57, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken does something right

well he is still wrong^img but at least he uses a see also article correctly, instead of just having the link lead to the same copypasta that is in the body of the article. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 03:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Church and child abuse

No news here, just CP being CP^img in downplaying uncomfortable subjects such as priests molesting children. --Sid (talk) 10:23, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Jpatt, priests buggering little children and the Church covering it up is a "scandalous attack." Conservapedia - covering up Christian immorality since 2006. --PsyGremlinTal! 10:33, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I notice they are also steadfastly ignoring the disgusting practices by the church in spain both in supporting a fascist dictator and then after that in profiting from this particular trade. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:58, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Notice that it's as much a "homosexual" scandal as a "church" scandal to JPatt. What a tool. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 13:16, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Did Jpatt make that comment with a straight face, knowing Ken is making Atheism and _____ articles that have no correlation, or multiple bestiality shit? Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 13:18, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I know you guys are hurting deep inside for those poor molested children. You're pathetic with your faux outrage. Back in the day if someone you loved had a problem - you wouldn't go to CNN and announce it to the world. You get the loved one help. Obviously, some instances were beyond help and it cost children horrendously. In today's climate, if you found out a loved ones problem was molestation -- you knock on every door in the neighbor and warn others. BTW FU--208.40.4.94 (talk) 13:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Go away jpatt, we're talking about you not to you. ^{ONE / TALK} 14:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyone who DOESN'T warn others about a child molester shares the guilt for subsequent offences. The catholic church has put itself in that position and I have no sympathy for them. --Longbow (talk) 14:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Doesn't the idiot realise that it's not only the child molestation (wrong, wrong, wrong though that is), it's the hypocrisy of an oganisation that claims to be a moral leader and arbiter appearing to condone it by shuffling offenders around the world to avoid doing anything? Scream!! (talk) 15:07, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

"Back in the day if someone you loved had a problem - you wouldn't go to CNN and announce it to the world. You get the loved one help." Hey, JPatt (if that BoN is him), got Ken any help yet? Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 15:09, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The moral leadership is threatened of course but they will survive, they always do. Your mistaken, Ken doesn't need help. He is a preacher to the Godless and you follow his classes daily. You need the help. --208.40.4.94 (talk) 15:24, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken needs LOTS of help. If the Flying Kitty ddn't prove it, his current obsession with bestiality certainly has. And you know that he's destroying any credibility CP had left, don't you? --Longbow (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Can you destroy a void? Anyway, Jpatt, when you say "Ken" I assume you mean "person of mystery whose sex and even number are unknowable", right? DickTurpis (talk) 15:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, CP COULD have turned into a credible encyclopaedia, although Assfly's "leadership" certainly wasn't going to help. However now it's just a blog for wingnuts like Jpatt and Ken to rant on. --Longbow (talk) 15:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I smell a fail troll, seeing as he said "Ken", but I'll keep feeding: Jpatt, what is he teaching? That you can ignore statistics and lie enough times to make something true? You ignore his abuses and trolling and expect us to "follow his classes daily" with a straight face? Come on, man, even you admit the moral leadership is threatened. People in glass houses... Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 21:05, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I found that statement of "preacher to the godless" fascinating. Here I thought the sysops of CP merely tolerated and protected Ken purely for the selfish motives of better securing their own tiny fiefdoms and positions in the dysfunctional kingdom of Andy; but now it appears at least one of them actually believes in what Kenny is saying. The situation there is far worse than I have initially suspected. I held a tiny shred of hope that the sysops may one day realize that Kenny is damaging the project enough where getting rid of him outweighs the value of keeping him in their desire to cling to power on CP and the desperate hope of attaining legitimacy within the conservative movement. Now it seems they actually believe the insanity within their midst, one that will further isolate them from the conservative and evangelical peers and into the realm of the nutty fringe where even WND repudiates them.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 12:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't underestimate how small of a man Karajou is. In his mind, he is defender of the faith. Unfortunately, Ken is about the only one left to defend. He'd do it for anyone, if anyone else cared about anyone else. Occasionaluse (talk) 13:01, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Another "can't win if he doesn't get this state"

statement. add north carolina to the most important states EVAR list^img along with, i think Florida and a few others?--Mikalosa (talk) 14:26, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Obama won NC with less than 2% of the vote or something last time, and they're dealing with pretty serious unemployment there. I can't think of any states that went Republican last time that are likely to go Democrat this time. Obama is pretty much fucked. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 14:29, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, yah, short of the Rep's or the worthless third party's party fielding an absolute shit candidate or a miracle fixing all the problems of the world, obama is sorta fucked.--Mikalosa (talk) 14:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah...what is the probability of the Republican's fielding a shitty candidate this year...(Candidates - 1)/Candidates? Carlaugust (talk) 15:10, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Obama is clearly not going to do better than he did in '08, but he can carry the states he won last time minus Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, and Missouri, and still win. That's not too bad. DickTurpis (talk) 15:28, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Really? Ihat's actually not too bad. He might actually squeak through in Ohio and Indiana. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 15:42, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Indiana is actually one of the long shot ones; I think he won it by less than 1% in '08. He's probably more likely to win Missouri. Of course, in this scenario he still has to carry uncertain states such as Pennsylvania (which certainly tends Democratic, though they did just elect Toomey), Wisconsin, Colorado, Minnesota (which hasn't voted for a Republican since '84), Nevada, Iowa, and New Mexico, as well as all of the traditional "blue" states. If he does win Florida and/or Ohio he's probably getting re-elected. DickTurpis (talk) 16:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Oops. Turns out Obama didn't win Missouri. My bad. DickTurpis (talk) 19:39, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't forget, People aren't all that high on the republicans now after all they said about jobs, and now just sitting on they're asses passing only abortion bills.--Thunderstruck (talk) 16:02, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

We should all vote Libertarian, just to break the ENTIRE system--Mikalosa (talk) 16:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather vote librarian, myself. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 16:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

No, Rent is 2 damn high! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 16:55, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘The Whigs are making a come-back! Too bad the All-Night Party only existed in 1976, in the pages of a comic book. MDB (talk) 14:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Has no one mentioned this yet?

Not that it's all that interesting or astounding, but it is slightly relevant to the site's mission, and kinda amusing, in a sad way: Kirk Cameron's 41st birthday party appears to be a raucous blowout. Those fundies know how to party. DickTurpis (talk) 00:52, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

bahahaha. Ace^ace 00:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC) ^{— Unsigned, by: B♭maj7 / talk / contribs} 01:22, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Real question, why did you put this in not Saloon Bar?--Mikalosa (talk) 01:21, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm a little drunk. DickTurpis (talk) 01:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

You know it's his birthday because they got footlongs instead of 6 inchers from subway. I would like to see him go and get shitfaced with Ray Comfort in the LA clubs though. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 01:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Wait, wait, wait are we laughing at somebody for not having a "proper" birthday party? I for one, have not have a birthday party in 16 years and that is a choice I'm damn happy with. Not everybody likes a big party, some just want some nice food and hang out with family or friends/watch a good movie/watch their favorite TV show. --★uːʤɱ libertarian 17:03, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

A .gif-t for Ken (red phone)

where is your mud now atheists? --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 08:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Caption: An atheist cameraman looks on in helpless despair as the unstoppable dirt of Christianity muddies up the waters of evolution! ^{ONE / TALK} 10:37, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Caption: Atheism and Evolutionism are failing the test of time, just like this mud.--Thunderstruck (talk) 15:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Caption: Atheism falls like mud before the relentless waves of the tide that is the Question Evolution Campaign!!! (multiple exclamation points are important here).--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 16:38, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Caption: Atheism and evolutionism are powerless against the latest landslide of questions that evolutionists can't answer. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 16:40, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

This person keeps on trying to wind the karajerk up

And no it's not me^img. Oldusgitus (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

He challenged him to a duel? In Murfreesboro? MDB (talk) 17:55, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Anything that keeps Karajou out of public office workds for me. Godspeed (talk) 18:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Goodness, this troll still hasn't stopped? Somebody has way too much free time. *shakes head* --Sid (talk) 18:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

WTF! Atheists are not permitted to hold public office in Tennessee? Doesn't that infringe something or other? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 18:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Note ministers are also ineligible to serve. I think if either provision were ever challenged in court, it would be overturned in a heartbeat. MDB (talk) 18:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

This would have been really lame, except for "NO KNIVES, NO GUNS, NO CLOTHES". Occasionaluse (talk) 19:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

@Sid. Oh yeah definate troll with too much time but I only added this and captured it because I think this is the first time we've actually seen what the 'challenge' to the jerk for a duel is isn't it? Oldusgitus (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Aside

Why is he challenging him to a duel at a hotel? MDB (talk) 19:03, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think you got the joke :P Occasionaluse (talk) 19:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

More just didn't see it. MDB (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Rex Banner redux

Capping the whole exchange in one shot^img. More epic flaming. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 01:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I think we need to update the Andrew Schlafly article with this episode. Regardless of whether or not Rex is genuine or not, Andy's contempt for his students is worth highlighting. --PsyGremlin講話 10:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

"...and those mysterious liquor clouds over Evergreen Terrace have finally dried up." --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 11:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

To be fair to Andy, some of his inconsistent grading could have to do with the age discrepencies of his students. I think he has everything from middle schoolers to seniors, so taking points off for minor spelling/grammatical errors for the latter group and not the former wouldn't be unreasonable, nor would expecting substantially more complete answers from them. Of course, if this is the case he should say so, and the fact he doesn't makes me think this isn't his reasoning. (Also, I guess this would only apply to his actual in-person students, and he probably doesn't have that many or he'd be bragging about his numbers again.) None of this explains giving full credit for plain wrong answers. I'd give him benefit of the doubt in that he simply misread the Martel/Charlemagne grandfather answer, but again, his refusal to even say something like "yep, I didn't catch that, but having already given the student full points I feel it's a bit late to take them away" is just another example of Andy refusing to ever admit he's wrong. The man can't take criticism of any sort. DickTurpis (talk) 12:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I surely hope that middle-school pupils (age 11-14) won't be allowed to post their home-work online by their parents, especially not in an environment discussing bestiality to such an extend. larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 12:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I would hope so too, but it's Andy, so I wouldn't be in the least surprised. DickTurpis (talk) 12:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

This video doesn't give me much hope in terms of people realizing how bad CP is--Mikalosa (talk) 13:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

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"This is most disappointing, and I am sorry to say that this action suggests that your attitude towards your students is one of utter contempt." I suspect this is the how Andy views just about everyone else in the world.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 13:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Rex might be making legitimate points, but it seems likely he signed up intending to do this. If that's the case, he's essentially a concern troll. On what grounds does he claim to be a "student representative"?--

Kriss Akabusi^{AAAWOOOGAAAR!!1} 13:43, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Well he claims he was privately contacted by multiple students who had complaints. Some of us have doubts about this because CP evidentally has had e-mail disabled for a long time so it's not clear how they would have contacted him unless they're all parodists who knew each other from outside CP. To be fair though, with multiple students joining in I wonder whether he is turning out to be some sort of representative whether initially approached or not. Nil Einne (talk) 15:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

If Ken has taught us anything it's that when someone says "I have had private correspondences with many [insert group here] and they all are in agreement with what I say", it's likely BS. DickTurpis (talk) 16:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Rex is just angry about the repeal of the 18^th Amendment? --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 17:26, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

He seems like an ironclad guy to me. Godspeed (talk) 17:54, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Well even if he is some kind of troll who is making up his entire "backstory", all of his points are valid. Hell, even if he appeared on CP claiming to be Lord Xenu himself, "you marked this factually inaccurate answer as right and gave it full marks" is still a criticism that deserves some kind of response, not just "Nitpicking, I'll teach my class wrong if I want to, godspeed." It's not some minor error or grammatical mistake on an article no one cares about, this is (ostensibly) children being blatantly misled (miseducated isn't a word according to my browser, but by god, it should be) by someone who can't be bothered to actually fact check answers to an exam he wrote himself. X Stickman (talk) 19:45, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Why would a European take world history from an American? --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 19:53, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Nobody knows who "Rex Banner" is? Well, given the poll above it would appear that at least 22 other people know. --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 11:36, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

"To alcohol! The cause of... and solution to... all of life's problems!" --Edgerunner⁷⁶_{Your views are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter} 11:38, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Semantics fail, No. 245.257.687.674... oh fuck it! I can't even count that far!

JPatt: "New polling shows Americans are not buying into the Occupy Wall Street hype -- they blame Washington and not the banks."^img

Source 1 (USA Today): "Most Americans blame Wall Street for the nation's economic predicament — but they blame Washington more. […] 78% say Wall Street bears a great deal or a fair amount of blame for the economy; 87% say the same about Washington. The poll shows that most Americans are paying attention to the protest movement. But most don't know enough to take a position."

Source 2 (News Busters): "A new USA Today/Gallup poll that finds Americans blame Washington for the country's economic woes much more than Wall Street and financial institutions."

Hey! What's a "more" when it helps to bash your enemies? But wait — there's, erm, more:

Jpatt: "Without Bush and Cheney to kick around, liberals are without a message that resonates with the public."

Wait! What? When did the recession start again? How can you blame a government that inherited the problem for the very existence of that problem? Oh, yeah, right - I forgot. --★uːʤɱ digital native 21:22, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

You can blame the one that inherited it for not doing jack shit about it though. --Mikalosa (talk) 02:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

But that's not what was asked for. "blaming for" is causal, therfore you can't blame somebody who didn't do anything before the problem first existed. Now if they were asking who they "blame for it taking so long" or something like that you'd have a point. Although, as most of the people that answered that poll probably were native speakers, they might not be able to see that while answering. --★uːʤɱ libertarian 21:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Okay, again, I know it's not nice to poke fun at the obviously deranged...

but I gotta say that Inflated Claims of Evolutionists^img is pretty funny from a guy that takes a handful more or less anonymous web posts^img as evidence that a "campaign" is taking the world by storm and will halve atheism, oh, any day now. Phiwum (talk) 21:36, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

By the way, is there any reason that the remarkable Question Evolution! campaign uses a photoshopped t-shirt on the ugliest^img t-shirt model I ever seen? Phiwum (talk) 21:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Given Kendoll's habit of producing anonymous web posts on various forums, can we take it as read that the only person convinced by the question evolution campaign has a name beginning with K? --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

It's just another example of Ken being a deranged crab in a pooliverse. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 10:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Ken blocks?

http://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/block http://conservapedia.com/Special:Log/delete http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Inflated_claims_of_evolutionists_growing_in_frequency_and_intensity^img

Ken blocked and deleted an account, including all her contributions, for asking how to cite an article? I mean, probably a parodist, but still... What she wrote wasn't nearly as bad as Conservapedia's BeastialityCon2011. Perhaps she was infringing on Ken's territory?

Moreover, how can Conservapedia still expect to cater to genuine students when they live in such paranoia? --Sasayaki (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

When Ken blocks, like most things he does, it lacks a clear rational other than waving his dick around just to show how untouchable he is. After years of getting spanked and banned from forums all over the internet he is enjoying his fortress of solitude. - π 05:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Every time I see a block like that, I always wonder what that must be like a for a genuine editor: "Think I'll pop on to CP for bit to see what's happening. Just type in the ol' password and... WTF!? I'm blocked!? Where's my user page? Oh this is nuts... why has every single article I ever created been deleted? Calm down, there's gotta be a mistake. OK, it says here I can contact an admin by using the email feature. That's what I'll do. I'm sure we can sort out this little mishap. Wait a sec... emailing has been disabled!?" --Inquisitor (talk) 06:39, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

You forgot 'Posting on this very page asking why, since all the active admins heavily patrol it'... except that being a genuine member of RationalWiki is grounds for a 5-year. Freedom of speech, freedom of association and small government... along with charity, forgiveness and love. Christian Conservative values in action! Could you imagine if these people had any kind of real power? --Sasayaki (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Given their rampant paranoia, I still can't figure out how Andy's students have never been blocked. AFAIK he's never gone on to the chat lists, saying "Don't block so-and-so" and yet, even when Terry was there, they seemed to escape the wrath. Maybe it's because they only answer the homework and otherwise avoid the site like it was Bad Touch Poor with a bag of sweeties... --PsyGremlinSprich! 09:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I wonder what Andy's students think public school is like? You know their parents have told them that they are getting a superior education from Andy. So they have to be reading these error-filled, ideologically driven lessons and thinking "You mean public schools are worse? How's that possible?" --Inquisitor (talk) 09:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

(EC) I believe that it was the blocking of one of Andy's homeskolars^img which triggered TK's exile in the wilderness^img; I know because I was chatting with him on IM at the time. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 09:57, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

A little of the ol' "chop-chop"!

Ken sure seems excited: He archives everything on Talk:Evolution^img and Talk:Main Page^img (including items that are just a few HOURS old), just to be able to give his latest ejaculation a more prominent spot: The axman cometh!^img He cometh twice, even!^img (Thrice, if you also count MPL... oh, and also on cp:Question evolution! campaign and cp:Enthusiastic responses to the Question evolution! campaign and cp:Question evolution campaign attracting zealous advocates...)

Also, I love what the picture all tries to tie to evolution (look at the branches). --Sid (talk) 12:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

What the hell is Kendoll going to do once shockofgoat gets tired of this question evolution nonsense? He's going to have a lot of work ahead of him disappearing all his boasting about how it was going to destroy atheism. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 13:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

(ec) I can understand why Ken has such a hard-on for SchlongOfGod QEC - it seems to be run by Internation Men of Mystery, just like him. "An advocate of the Question evolution! campaign" "A person who loves the Question evolution! campaign"... then again, they probably are Ken and Schlong, so no surprise there. Strangely, considering it's supposed to be run down here, I've seen absolutely nothing, besides an alleged post from a lecturer at an ultra-conseravtive university. Epic fail if you ask me. --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 13:11, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I also love how it's no longer enough for Ken to smear his crap all over MPR, now he has to take over the talk page which is designed for "discussion only of Main Page content and feature items" - not copy/pasting the same crap you've posted to the main page. The only thing that would be better than Ken having this much power on CP, would be TK having this much power on CP. --PsyGremlinTala! 13:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hundreds of hours are going to be added to promote the campaign in the short term ? Yeah he's definitely talking about Ken. Though it could have been phrased: "Hundreds of hours are going to be wasted on Conservapedia in the short term." ^{ONE / TALK} 15:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

It is more pathetic than it first looks (I know, quite the achievement). All Ken keeps claiming is that they are gathering pledges from people for hundreds of man hours devoted to the "Question Evolution" campaign. These are not people actually putting in hundreds of hours of their time, they are merely promising they will (and there is no real accountability for wither they follow through or not). Worse, all we have to go on is the claim in Shock's blog that such people are making said promises (which Ken repeats verbatim). Despite all of Ken's boasting, all links that do not go directly back to CMI are directed at Shock's personal blog, which has a whooping 18 members, which only two are active enough to even bother writing posts there (Evodoubter and Question, in other words, Shock and Kenny). Shock himself devotes more time to the Battlefield 3 Beta than to the Question Evolution campaign if his videos are any measure, so how deep can their commitment be?--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 16:49, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Even worse, Ken's endless pimping of QE! on CP is very likely part of those pledged hours. So the net result is basically "(1) We will talk a lot about the campaign! (2) We promise to talk even more about the campaign! (3) ??? (4) The theory of evolution and all work on the origin of life and of the entire universe is finally scrapped by the scientific community in favor of Creationism. (5) TerryH's wet dream^img becomes reality as planet Earth finally accepts the Bible as its sole science book."

And in the meantime, Khalid reverts^img Ken with predictable^img results. (Update while I was writing: And he keeps going! I really regret having to go to bed now...) --Sid (talk) 22:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I went to Chocks chat room, and no matter what the question I asked him the answer was on the same fucking CMI page that contained none of the answers I was after. I told him "I can't remember the URL but I seem to recall this being on your blog somewhere" he replied "No I don't have this on my blog, go look at CMI" I later found a bookmark to EXACTLY what I was describing EXACTLY perfectly, still can't remember the exact URL but it's something like Shockawenow.blogspot.com, undeniably his blog, he undeniably knew it when he sent me to CMI after I asked him something about that blog post that wasn't answered on CMI in any way shape or form. I think Shock may be more mentally defficient than Ken. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 22:55, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

There goes KhalidM... given no reason for his blocks, and no reason for his rights being removed. Ken must be balls-deep in Andy's ass to garner such an apathetic reaction so Ken can have his way. Meritocracy in action! Norseman^{Cyser Melomel} 23:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

"19:29, 20 October 2011 Conservative (Talk | contribs) changed block settings for KhalidM (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 3 months (account creation disabled) ‎ (trying to suppress creation discussion)" <-- They don't even attempt to hide the hypocrisy anymore.

As for Shock, I can see why he denies his own blog; it is without a doubt a complete flop. The only two who write there is Kenny and Shock, and none of their ramblings get any comments (from the other 16 whole members). The only reason anyone even looks is that he linkwhores the blog posts all over the mainpage and its talk page with his usual word salad.--BMcP - Just an astronomy guy 03:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

The stupid. It hurts!

[5]^img So, let's assume that population growth is desirable. Why would a small percentage of the population (that does reproduce on occasion) have such a dire impact? Or is gay sex so much better that people will start abandoning their wives and husbands for husbands and wives?--User:Brxbrx/sig 13:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Only in Republican circles.--Thunderstruck (talk) 17:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The latter, obviously--137.48.201.123 (talk) 18:28, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

If I had a time machine

Assuming I couldn't go back in time and introduce Andy's father to a better woman I'd go back and compile a running list of productive editors who were ousted unfairly over time, and a second list of those who quite in protest, and a third list of those that just drifted away. --Opcn (talk) 05:13, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

A time machine would be wasted on you. AMassiveGay (talk) 07:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Indeed. --Inquisitor (talk) 08:43, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. LordSlug ^{You want me to do...work? what's that?} 08:45, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Worm (talk) 09:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Well first I'd take some winning lotto numbers back to me and tell me exactly which girls to go after in highschool... the I guess CP wouldn't matter... But you're missing the point! --10:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Going back to the 90's. SEE YOU ROUND BITCHES.--Thunderstruck (talk) 15:11, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler alert! In exactly 5 seconds PsyGremlin is going to make a bad joke. DickTurpis (talk) 15:27, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

It worked!!! It worked!! Awesome!! PsyGremlinПоговорите! 15:32, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Ok, let me test my time machine. --PsyGremlin말하십시오 15:33, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

LFMAO! You do think up some funny things Psy. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 15:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Sadly, I can't claim the credit. I shamelessly nicked it from somebody on FB. But thank you anyway. I'm here all week. --PsyGremlinTala! 16:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Sarcasm. How does that work then? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 19:24, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Sarcasm. I'm far too vain to pick up on that. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 07:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

GREETINGS. I AM GORTHON. I COME FROM FUTURE. --GORTHON 17:33, 7 October 2211 (UTC)

Call me a pedant, but wouldn't that date stamp imply that RW and everybody reading her had been transported into the future? Also, grammar in the year 2211 sucks. Maybe the world has become more conservative. --PsyGremlinSnakk! 16:43, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear Mr. 2211, Did the Cubs ever win the World Series?--Thunderstruck (talk) 18:08, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

How would he know? He's obvoiusly tripping. If you look at the user page then there's a claim that wales won a world cup at some time and we all know that is NEVER going to happen. Oldusgitus (talk) 18:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

He never specified which world cup. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 19:34, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahem. --PsyGremlinSermā! 07:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Why are you only blaming Phyllis for Andy? Are you sure Andy's father wasn't the kind of guy who wanted a woman who basically said she was her husband's sex slave and would drop everything to fulfill said marital obligations? Nil Einne (talk) 16:00, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

If you are going to go to the trouble of creating a time machine, couldn't you at least do something philosophically interesting like killing your parents before you were born, getting yourself pregnant or exploring the stranger aspects of the Oedipus complex? —All You Zombies—? Roswell That Ends Well? (((Zack Martin)))^™ 11:07, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

That would certainly be more interesting than making up some idiotic religion. You throbber. --Longbow (talk) 11:38, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

I will renounce my religion if you provide me with a fully functional bidirectional time machine in exchange. (((Zack Martin)))^™ 11:40, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Seems like a fair trade... the single most powerful device man has ever known, in exchange for you renouncing your own made up religion. You should try masturbation, it's a better use of your time. --Inquisitor (talk) 23:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC) ^{— Unsigned, by: Nil Einne / talk / contribs} 14:29, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Seriously Jpatt

No, seriously, WTF.^img--Thunderstruck (talk) 22:15, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Heh, it surprises me that JPratt doesn't subscribe to the "one drop" theory of racial origin. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 22:17, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

EC JPatt is very concerned with racial categories. Do you know who else was very concerned about racial categories? Hitler. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 22:18, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

... -slaps Maj- Technically hes right, but only technically. --Mikalosa (talk) 22:23, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

He's not even wrong, actually. In most Americans' ideas about race, "biracial" means nothing. Obama would be described by any of his co-citizens walking down the street as "a black guy." In places like the Caribbean or Brazil, where racial identities are more flexible and varied, he might get called something else; but the United States has a pretty much Manichean view of racial identity, at least in terms of day-to-day usage. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 22:27, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

When it comes to us Darkies, never forget two things. 1) People will do a song and dance praising how great it us that de black boy is doing well. 2) Those same people will weasel their way out of the prior statement to say that we are as white as Christmas - if it suits their particular political agenda. Ironclad (talk) 01:25, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

JPatt doubles down: The difference between Obama and Cain? One's a mutt, the other is purebred.^img (in the edit comment) B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, these people. What shall we do, B Sharp? Do you want to chip in $30 to get them pissed and put them on the bus to Compton?

(I assume your name is a B-Sharp. Me no speaky music....) Ironclad (talk) 02:43, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

B-flat, actually. Yeah, a bus to Compton, or most anywhere in Detroit. It would be like an educational field trip. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:46, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, what instrument(s) do you play? I tried the piano back in the old days, but couldn't get my head round the music sheets. Yes, Detroit would be fun. Downtown Johannesburg would be more fun, but I can't really justify that kind of expenses claim... Ironclad (talk) 02:51, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The stuff Ironclad talks about cuts both ways. My ex-boss has written about having just got used to being "the black kid" in an English school, when he was transplanted to Africa, where he received all the same taunting and bullying except this time it was because he was "the white kid". And the terrible realisation when he grew older was that he'd been lucky both times - he was at prestigious high achieving schools which were proud of their "tolerance", people whose parents weren't rich were having things much worse in either world. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 06:36, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Has anyone ever seen Herman Cain dance? Because if a half black guy not dancing could only mean one thing, he's Muslim, (only thing that could keep his African side from dancing all the time), then wouldn't Herman Cain, a fully black guy, not dancing mean he's two Muslims? Maybe two short ones in a Hermain Cain costume? It would be very hard to dance like that. I'm in a silly mood.... --Night Jaguar (talk) 06:47, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Maybe not everyone here is aware of the historical nuances of blackness, indeed only last night while reading in bed Mrs. K asked me what a quadroon was. The term mulatto was commonly used instead of bi-racial and degrees of blackness included quadroon, octoroon and hexadecaroon. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 10:19, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm still surprised at the hoops people jump through. Down here, it's pretty easy - if you're black, you're called black (no, African-African nonsense), if you're mixed parentage, or heritage, you're coloured. So to us, Obama is a coloured President, not a black president. Cain, would be a black President. --PsyGremlinFale! 10:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I remember some early Dame Edna stuff in which s/he referred to "tinted people" and I'm at a loss thinking how one might be categorised if your parents also had a degree of mixed heritages. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 10:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The real reason

Obama is a Kenyan didn't you know that? Not an American at all. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 06:54, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Wait just a minute. Obama has told more than 1000 lies since 2007 and the birth certificate statement is actually the truth? You can fool some of the people some of the time, but after a while all you can hear are the lies, nothing else. --208.40.4.94 (talk) 14:30, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

You can fool some of the people some of the time, but after a while all you can hear are the lies, nothing else. Never were truer words spoken without a drop of cynicism. Bravo Patti. 16:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I have to say, JPatt (if that is you), do you honestly believe this? You honestly believe that somehow, Obama and his co-conspiracists have managed to pretend that he was born in the US, but he wasn't? No, really?

It is almost, but not quite, as humorous as RobSmith's contention that the overseas birth thing was a ruse cooked up by Obama to draw attention away from the fact that his father wasn't a U.S. citizen.

Honestly, JPatt, there are perfectly respectable arguments to be made from a conservative viewpoint. These pathetic fantasies are not among them. Phiwum (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Fuckin' apostrophes... how do they work?

Good to see Johnny Sedition is keeping up Conservapedia's high standard of language usage. Nothing says "we are trustworthy" than the abuse of your mother tongue. Way to run an encyclopaedia, boys. --PsyGremlinSnakk! 09:10, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, my grammar is the product of my public edumacation. Did you ever get a response on that sedition accusation you sent? I got nothing. --208.40.4.94 (talk) 14:26, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry dear, Andy's homeschoolers are not much better. Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 15:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't worry, JPratt. We called the FBI. They said they'd get right on your trial and execution, only they had some wandals to arrest first. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 15:35, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Question

Why haven't we WIGO'd this yet? Is their some sort of policy of not making CP admins look like racist pigs? --★uːʤɱ sinner 21:15, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Opcn can't write is why. If I weren't dyslexic and totally afraid of looking like a jackass as I misspell half the words I'd totally WIGO it up. What is stopping you dear sir? -Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 08:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Bye, Khalid

This is awesome. Khalid tries to get Ken's drooling off of Talk: Main Page^img, they do a little block/unblock/revert pas de deux, which ends with Andy removing all of Khalid's rights^img a month-long block^img, and the restoration of the talk page to its previous glory.^img Just another day at the crazy factory. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 23:03, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm srry to hear about your sock. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 02:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Nope, not me... sorry you're a jackass. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 02:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Honestly, these people should consider making mainspace edits over there before trying to revolutionize the place--User:Brxbrx/sig 02:19, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

they should follow your example here at RW. It has really worked for you. Ace^ace 02:27, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Who called it? I called it. I said inb4 tu quoque. Ace, I have made mainspace contributions here.--User:Brxbrx/sig 03:05, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

(EC) Then there was Rob. 02:28, 21 October 2011 (UTC) ^{— Unsigned, by: Π / talk / contribs} 02:28, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Khalid announced he was leaving a month ago...--Mikalosa (talk) 02:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

After mature consideration overnight, Ken has decided that Khalid's wish that CP should be a wiki rather than Ken's personal blog is so heinous a crime that it deserves five years in the slammer^img.

Beautiful! Ken is now officially Andy's new right-hand man. With Kara too scared to speak up and the rest not giving a shit, I eagerly await CP's new rebirth as KenDollOPedia. --PsyGremlinSpeak! 15:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

If Khalid was a parodist, maybe he was trying to deter anyone vaguely normal from joining CP, by provoking an OTT reaction from the so-called administrators. The Real James Brown (talk) 16:49, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

...but if a parodist behaves like a sane user who opposes certain troll-sysops because he wants the site to succeed, would he still count as a parodist? I think the word you're looking for is "martyr". =P --Sid (talk) 17:23, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Not necessarily parody. I have a sincere account at CP, where I don't pretend to be a conservative (although I don't advertise that I'm from RW). I raise my concerns over the actions of users like Ken

, but I don't lie about my political beliefs. I actually try and improve the site, though many might say that's a lost cause. Some try and play the role of a moderate conservative, though. I wouldn't say they're parodists in that they aren't magnifying the flaws of Conservapedia like a Modernist grotesque.--User:Brxbrx/sig 22:33, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Steve Jobs: Secret Conservative

Andy claims another dead person a secret conservative^img : "[T]here are indications Jobs became more conservative on issues like the public schools as he grew older. It is possible that Jobs promoted liberal causes simply to further his own businesses, rather than based on personal views." Try to disprove it! --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:55, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, if orwell can be a fucking conservative... --il'Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

What's stupid is that the source he's using to broad jump to that conclusion spends a lot of time talking about how uncharitable Jobs's behavior at the time was. I guess Andy would claim that the people collecting the data were college liberals, and they therefore only paid attention to his contributions to liberal causes. --Ellipsoidal (talk) 03:17, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm a conservative and I'm not terribly charitable. Most "Charity" is bullshit; it's very difficult to truly help people.--Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 08:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Charity is not just about 'helping' people it is also about contributing to things that conventional sources of funding can not or will not do. It may be adopting a section of highway to keep litter free, maintaining historic buildings or artefacts, funding medical research for 'minority' diseases, making things available to those who ordinarily could not afford them, trying to save an endangered habitat or species, or even supporting the promotion of a particular viewpoint which you think is important; and this can be done through cash donations, giving of your time or property. It's really about how you engage with the rest of society; of course if you want to just sit at home like a miserly curmudgeon that's your choice but how in all fairness can you ever expect anyone to help you in a time of need if you don't help others? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 08:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Freerider effect is how I can expect it. Maybe I'll be more charitable when I have less student loan debt and more than $12 in my bank account. Maybe... Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:24, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Don't American unis have rag weeks then? Генгис^{You have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you.} 09:46, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Gates, who is the usual contrast offered to Jobs, spends a whole pile of money helping the Carter Center eradicate Guinea Worm. Eradicating disease organisms (particularly big ones like Guinea Worm that can't evolve appreciably faster than us) makes a very real difference on an ongoing basis. Gates also puts money into control vs extinction projections, e.g. to figure out whether the money saved by no-one ever getting Measles would justify the expense of wiping it out, compared to accepting a small ongoing rate of death and illness for the foreseeable future. 82.69.171.94 (talk) 11:01, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

@Opcn, that's nice. The point is that part of Andy's "Us vs. Them" pissing contest includes the argument that Conservatives and Christians are more charitable than whatever group you're using for "Them" today. I gather he's chosen that article as evidence because it points out instances where Jobs was a little blase about liberal politicians, events, etc., but in his usual, cherry-picking way, he ignores everything that's inconvenient to the theory he wants to push. The fact that real-world conservatives can hold onto their money without being bastards isn't important. We're dealing with Andyland here, not reality. --Ellipsoidal (talk) 14:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Yep. Jobs was a conservative. Thats why he offered to help make advertisements for Obama. (Yes, he wasn't a fan of how school unions work... but we can't all be single issue conservatives, can we?) --Shagie (talk) 03:13, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

JPatt has a hobby.

"Write what you know,"^img my teachers always told me. B♭maj7 (talk) Member of the Kara Duhe fan club since 2010 04:00, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

10 years from now you'll probably reflect on this comment with regret. Ace^ace 04:02, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

At least he eventually realized^img that the U.S. Navy is not a state. ... of liberals? (talk) 11:51, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

State of Ohio banned this October 17th, along with bath salts. Never heard of that stuff but I guess it was similar to cocaine. --208.40.4.94 (talk) 20:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Didn't see this on CP

Not-at-all liberal scientists showing that climate change is not-at-all fictional. Wonder how the dingbats will spin this one? The Real James Brown (talk) 08:39, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

They'll probably follow the usual CP strategy. Stage 1, ignore it. Stage 2, write it off as being the work of ebil LIBRULS!!! Stage 3, rubbish any claims of impartiality in the group who did the study. Stage 4, cherry pick the data that they like and then lie desperately about it. Stage 5, Andy sees it, misunderstands everything about it, makes a complete fool of himself and then drops the banhammer at random. Stage 6, the evidence is burned and everyone pretends that everything's ok. Darkmind1970 (talk) 08:53, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

This is nothing new. Since they didn't care about science before my prediction is that they will keep not caring about it now. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 09:26, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

"The article says that they used some physicists, who clearly don't understand and aren't qualified to study the climate and therefore have no idea what they're talking about, unlike the real experts (a.k.a. random bloggers and me)" - yep, a perfect Schlafly argument. άλφα^Ταλκ 12:31, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

People, people, people. This "report" was put together by the Berkeley Earth Team. Berkeley. No more needs to be said, amirite?--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 14:07, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

My version of the bible doesn't mention global warming. Global warming does not exist. QED. Jimaginator (talk) 15:30, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Frankly, I think Andy might take this study on board and accept that global warming is reaahahahahahahhahahaha *wheeze* ^{ONE / TALK} 15:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Jimaginator, I love the silliness of that line of thinking. Do any versions of the bible mention kittens, toilet paper, sunglasses, Katie Price, voting or guns? Oh my god! BURN THEM ALL! Darkmind1970 (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh boy, another replication of surface temps, cutting edge stuff here! Of course, most deniers have moved on to "it's natural/it's not that bad" from "global warming isn't happening," and this study makes no attempt at attribution, so it really only rebuts the more paranoid crowd that think NOAA, NASA, the Met Office, CRU, etc. are conspiring to fudge data (add another conspirator!). The only reason this is getting any play is because it was hyped by the deniosphere in the wake of Climategate and now it's come back to bite them in the ass. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 17:00, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Deniers gonna deny. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 19:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

One for the matrix...

Democratic deceit^img And no, Andy isn't revealing that he's a totalitarian fuckhead - he's referring to teh evil Democrats - them that has a Muslim Kenyan running the show... --PsyGremlinRunāt! 17:08, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm more interested in what the "public school mindset" is... --★uːʤɱ heretic 18:32, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Ruh-roh Andy, Rubio lied about parents

Remember how Andy loves Marco Rubio, and he made the argument on Talk:2012 Presidential Election that even though Rubio's parents weren't born in the U.S., it wasn't the same "naturally born" issue as Obama's father. He worked Rubio's parents flight from Castro into Rubio's positives in his ranking: "Both of his parents were Cuban exiles seeking asylum in the U.S. at the time of his birth in Miami, making him an inspiring, uniquely American success story." Turns out that was a big lie - Rubio's parents came a few years before Castro came to power. They were run-of-the-mill immigrants. --Phil Leotardo da Vinci (talk) 18:22, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Saying that they immigrated before Castro took complete control of the country does not make them run-of-the-mill immigrants. It was obvious the situation was out of hand even in 1957. There was literally a civil war starting in the country and its reasonable to believe they immigrated to avoid Castro and the clusterfuck that was developing in the country. You wouldn't claim that the first wave of Russian Emigre's didn't leave because of Lenin and the Bolsheviks, even though they technically may have left before total capitulation of the white's. --Ateafish (talk) 18:50, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Or people who left before the war even started?--il'Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 18:55, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

From WaPo: "The documents show that Rubio’s parents came to the United States and were admitted for permanent residence more than two-and-a-half years before Castro’s forces overthrew the Cuban government and took power on New Year’s Day 1959... The real story of his parents’ migration appears to be a more conventional immigrant narrative, a couple who came to the United States seeking a better life. In the year they arrived in Florida, the future Marxist dictator was in Mexico plotting a quixotic return to Cuba." They even returned to Cuba several times after Castro took power. --Phil Leotardo da Vinci (talk) 19:11, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I also love Rubio's response, which is basically, 'yes, they left Cuba because they wanted to give their children a better life and things they never had in Cuba, but yet they also really, really wanted to go back to Cuba, to that hard life, so they went back several times after Castro came to power.' Um, okay, sure, that makes sense. Conservative deceit to play on emotion at its finest. --Phil Leotardo da Vinci (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

While this story is funny in it's own right, very little CP stuff pleases me as watching Andy lie about Rubio just because he happens to like him. Occasionaluse (talk) 20:15, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Towering heights of hubris

I really don't think the wigo does this Andyism justice^img. Andy really thinks that literally millions of people are tuning out of prime time TV in favour of browsing Conservapedia. He's off his nut. He is literally fucking insane. --JeevesMkII ^{The gentleman's gentleman at the other site} 00:35, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Some quotes from our article Andrew Schlafly's delusions of grandeur :

"Television is losing its relevancy, and some viewers are shifting to Conservapedia. The television audience is declining; Conservapedia's is growing. Welcome to the future here."

"As to other websites on the internet, I can't think of any that combine education, politics, and religion -- the three fields that count most -- as efficiently as Conservapedia does."

"Conservapedia is on track to break its May record for unique visitors. That's no surprise, because visitors obtain content here more efficiently than with any other form of media."

"All of our traffic sees the conservative message, and with our high volume, our site could be the single biggest reason American culture is moving to the right."

The sad/funny part is that in reality almost everyone who has heard of CP think it's a gigantic joke. --Night Jaguar (talk) 00:44, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The first two sections are based on what they honestly beleive will happen--il'Dictator Mikalosa (talk) 00:46, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Their ideal future probably looks like the dystopia of The Handmaid's Tale. (Funny enough, there's a character based on Phyllis Schlafly in the novel. She engages in a threesome with... and I just vomited all over my keyboard.) --Night Jaguar (talk) 01:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

I considered fucking insane, but I worried that she hadn't used a condom with Andy. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 01:08, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Trimming is the New Archiving

Andy made two huge "trims" today, to his talk page^img and to Talk:Main Page^img, and the removed material is nowhere to be found in the^img archives^img. This must be some kind of mistake since Conservapedia doesn't censor. --Tabrcg23 (talk) 01:24, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Comrade, I don't know what edits you speak of. I wonder... are you secretly a spy of THE ENEMY?--Mikalosa (talk) 01:25, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, I see that YOU are active at CP again. --Longbow (talk) 02:05, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Yeah SeanS, make yourself useful and unblock me. Anyway, back on topic. In Andy's defense, his "trimming" description is more accurate. Archiving implied that the removed edits were being stored some place for safekeeping. While trimming bears no such implications. Things that are trimmed are normally discarded, whether they are tree branches, pubic hair, or uncomfortable questions from those you purport to teach. --Inquisitor (talk) 02:12, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I can think of a few editors worth unblocking. --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 03:19, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

We all can, except SeanS/Mikalos. SamHB, for example. DeanH. SamCoulter. KhalidM. Chances of Mikalos unblocking them? About nil. --Longbow (talk) 03:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Im active in that I might do something every so often when i'm seeing if theres anything worth WIGOing. And why bother unblocking them? They'll be reblocked again anyways. --Mikalosa (talk) 04:00, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

With that attitude why not just turn off account creation again? Since every user will end up being blocked eventually. --Inquisitor (talk) 04:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I think they should do that just because it will help keep out parody so we can get just the core group--Mikalosa (talk) 04:41, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

How about you move Ecc. from under translation to translated on the CBP? --Opcn (with regards to regarding my regardliness) 05:46, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Move what now?>--Mikalosa (talk) 02:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmm the above link doesn't seem to work, try it again [6]^img. Edit: Er ignore me, it's just the thumbnail that doesn't work. Nil Einne (talk) 20:47, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

The trimmed material of the main talk page can be found here: cp:Talk:Main_Page/Archive index/102 - the archive index wasn't updated... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 05:56, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Ah, it was AugustO who^img put the stuff trimmed by Andy into the archive. That's why he wrote: Don't be too lazy...^img --larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 06:28, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Yet more "trimming"^img. What a coward. --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:04, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

And once again AugustO^img comes back and pokes andy with the shitty stick to point out that andy is a hypocritical, lying fraud. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:16, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

But now it's clear which way AugustO will exit: Andy already feels^img insulted, so AugustO will get banned for incivility... larron^{sicut fur in nocte} 21:37, 22 October 2011 (UTC)