# Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Archive83

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## Am i reading this right...

..is Andy actually putting Islam in a favourable light--and relating it to the Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic tradition? PFoster 20:08, 19 October 2008 (EDT)

No, if there's one thing that unites all religions its their antipathy to disbelief. They like to encourage gullibility as much as possible (no AKjeldsen, I don't mean they do it consciously) even if people end up buying an alternative brand. Генгисmarauding 03:11, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## DAMN YOU LIBERAL WANDALS!!!!

At least my removal of his being "allegedly" born survived. :) I think I did that, right? ħuman 01:57, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## Sigh

Another way to ignore the point Pseudomonas 03:57, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

HOW DARE YOU INSULT THE GREAT LEADER! ArmondikoVd hominem 08:07, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Indeed. It is the will of (L)Andru... Jimaginator 09:01, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## American History, take 42

Assfly continues to annoy me with his ridiculous Remedial American History for Dullards course. It isn't so much the jingoism of everything great comes from America, so ignore all the other savages out there in the world. Nor even the assertion that important advances like cloning are "silly" or "dangerous", though you've got to wonder what sort of luddite world we'd live in if Andyites were in charge. No. What pisses me off the most is that he glosses over the transatlantic cable, easily the most interesting thing ever covered in his lectures in two damn sentences! Everything about the subject is interesting, from the cables themselves to how they were laid. You could conduct an entire course on just this subject, perhaps they do if you study marine engineering. For supreme transatlantic cable nerdgasm you can visit the telegraphy museum and Goonhilly satellite ground station both in Cornwall on the same day. I think I must have stared in rapt awe at the cable sections they have for about 15 minutes. To say they're impressive doesn't even nearly cover it.

These kids are being severely miseducated. They have no chance at all to develop any sort of passion for any aspect of history, because they're learning nothing about it. I despair. --JeevesMkII 10:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

You despair. Dude. Try being a PhD student in African history reading Conservapedia. I'm thinking of hanging myself. PFoster 11:03, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Sorry Jeeves, but for a class that covers everything with the cursory simplicity of Andy's class, I can hardly blame him for not spending the better part of one of his 14 classes on the trans-Atlantic cable. I'm sure it was an engineering wonder, and while it seems to be a favorite subject of yours, I hardly think calling it "easily the most interesting thing ever covered in his lectures" would be the sort of statement most people would get behind. Really, I can hardly think this is even remotely one of Andy's worst offenses. DickTurpis 11:19, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
You only say that because you don't understand it. The transatlantic cable runs the gamut of social, political, economic and technological changes that were the hallmark of the industrial revolution. A history within a history if you will. Telecommunications are the defining technologies of our era, and this is one of the first great steps in to it. Compared to this, all the trifling wars and presidents Andy has run off whole paragraphs about are as nothing. This is the foundation of our society and wealth we're talking about. Though you're right that it probably isn't his worst offence against education, it's certainly symptomatic. --JeevesMkII 12:03, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Sorry. Still not convinced. Obviously it was an enormously important development, but what is Andy, or any teacher really going to say about it specifically in a course that covers 600 years of history? Are they going to go into great detail on what it was made of and how it was laid? Does any American history course ever spend more time the transatlantic cable than the Civil War, the Depression, Watergate, or any number of other episodes in history? Telecommunications is obviously one of the most important of developments, but the transatlantic cable is only part of that. DickTurpis 12:21, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
The oceanic telegraph cables were the internet of their time. In Krakatoa by Simon Winchester he goes into some detail how the news of the eruption was relayed to London. Suddenly news became instant instead of being delayed by weeks for a ship to bring written communications half way around the world it was truly a momentous revolution in communication. Генгисmarauding 12:28, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
(EC) Well, no reputable teacher would ever teach a course that attempted to cover 600 years of history full stop. Maybe if they had a full five years of secondary education to play with, such a complete study of American history might be feasible, but certainly not in one term. My expectation of any history course is that they have full one hour classes devoted to particular subjects such as important inventions, particular military engagements or political events. I'd expect anyone who had taken a secondary school course covering the history of the industrial revolution to be able to talk for maybe 30 minutes on topics like how the change from water to steam power affected industrial demographics, or the differing engineering challenges of building canals vs. railways. The sort of course Andy is giving is next to useless, it is as full of fact as an egg is of meat. Also, any textbook author who didn't devote more column inches to the transatlantic cable than watergate will be written down in my little black book to be first against the wall come the revolution. :D --JeevesMkII 12:37, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Do you mean the course is full of facts or it isn't? Because I think you might be misusing that simile. As an egg is full of meat means completely full (of something). From Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet: "Thy head is as fun of quarrels as an egg is full of meat". Egg was regarded as a meat by pre-modern society. weaseLOId~ 12:51, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
(EC)The thing about survey courses like this one is that lots of stuff gets left out and there's not a lot of depth. What Jeeves is frustrated at isn't really fair; but if you think that's bad, try teaching African history--from the rise of Homo Sapiens in Ethiopia to the Rwandan genocide--in a single semester. See what gets left out then. All that being said, the problem--well, one of the many problems with Andy's course--is that it's focused on the "great man" approach to history (Presidents and other elites) and spends nowhere near enough time dealing with social history, cultural history and, as my man Jeeves points out, STS (science, technology and society), a field that is becoming more and more important/relevant, IMHO...PFoster 12:40, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, no reputable teacher would ever teach a course that attempted to cover 600 years of history full stop. Dude, see above: I'd KILL to be able to tech only 600 years at the survey level. Most European surveys cram everything from the roman Empire to the French Revolution into a semester, and everything else into the next semester; middle East surveys will cut off somewhere around the colonial era...and at least Andy only has to teach one freakin' country--a lot of surveys deal with all of Africa, South Asia, or the Middle East over several centuries. PFoster 12:43, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Woah. What the fuck is the point of that? You could skim wikipedia and learn as much! --JeevesMkII 12:50, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Although not a historian I forwent Latin to do history at O-level and we did from about American War of Independence to 1939 in one academic year. Although that was largely British, European and colonial history. For in depth understanding, then Simon Schama's TV series (and books) or the Radio 4 series & book (This Sceptred Isle) are to my mind examples of what makes good history. Andy's pupils would probably learn more from watching a rerun of Alistair Cooke's America than Herr Schlalfy's course work. Генгисmarauding 13:02, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Just one point about the 600 years thing - obviously recent history is more detailed so 600 years of the Middle East circa 2000 BC is easily covered. You should take account of the period to decide what is ambitious or not. Генгисmarauding 13:07, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
You also have to take into account teh age you are teaching and the concept of "bulid more depth upon a foundation" that may or may not work well in school, but it's what we use. In first grade "American history" is "there was this war, and some guys died, and the really cool part was getting to play let's pretend". In 3rd grade, you do "American History" again, and start to fill in details. Then you get "American History" again in 6th grade, where you begin to put it all together. Maybe a mention of Indians, then "we revolted from a King, for economic reasons (here's a sub class on what economy means), and then we decided it was also important to have personal rights and liberties (and again, a class on rights and liberties).... Highschool generally does American HI story twice, once in 9th grade, and once as a senior. And each time, you are given more complex explanations, more details. We here, criticizing these kids, are doing it from being college grads, being 30, 40, even older. From having read novels for our own about these other time periods, and watching movies, and and and and...I think we should separate the "answers" from the teaching. It's not fair to bash kids for being at the level of understanding they are at.--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 13:15, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
(EC)obviously recent history is more detailed... No. History is complex, no matter when it happened. PFoster 13:16, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
I never said that all history wasn't complex. It's just that there are much more data from recent history, more advances in technology in a shorter time-frame a lot more people and more interaction between groups. We know more about the minutiae of recent events than past events and so recent history can be covered in more detail. It's not about complexity it's about raw data. Генгисmarauding 08:00, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

(UNDENT) - Godot, is anyone piling on the kids? I think what's happening is that we're piling on Andy for teaching a seventh-grade history class as advanced college prep. PFoster 13:18, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

It certainly is unfair to bash the kids; if they're supplying low grade answers and getting 90% for them, if you show the answers to someone and ask them to guess their age and they come up with 11, if the test is different between boys and girls, surely there is only one person to blame, the teacher. However, they are older than these publically released answers imply, many are legally responable and should be capable of thinking for themselves now. ArmondikoVd hominem 14:18, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
On a semi-related note, Stephen Fry in America covers American history in about as much depth of Assfly, but with considerably more style. Something good to look forward to for the next few weeks, anyway. --JeevesMkII 14:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
In the UK, we spent a year at age 14 studying British Social History in the period 1815 to 1851. That allowed us to go into a huge amount of detail and to understand the impact of the world's first industrial revolution on the lives of everyday people. This was a noble aim on the part of the course designers. The problem was, it was mind-numbingly boring. In the second year of the course we did two modules that I found fascinating. One was studying a particular political issue as it had evolved over hundreds of years to the point of the news we all saw on TV every day - we did the Irish Question, but there was also the option of the Arab-Israeli problems. The second module was studying the history of one particular field of human endeavour from pre-history to the modern day. We did medicine, but energy production was another option. I think if you want to do a potted history over hundreds of years, this approach of studying a very narrow field in some detail is far superior than trying to do "European History 10,000BC - 2008AD" in a week. Matt 18:06, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
There really is just too much infomation. Last I heard the National Curriculum was considering ignoring anything pre-1066, although I'm not sure if that actually happened. It might leave some gaps in people's knowledge of history that way, but you at least learn some skills while doing a more in depth study, regardless of what the subject is. You could pick any period in any location and get the same educational value out of it. ArmondikoVd hominem 05:30, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Unfortunately Andy follows his own advice in teaching the class and finds what he likes. Unfortunately, he doesn't even have solid command of the information he does choose to prevent and blanketly ignores things he knows nothing of. One of these days when I get more than five fucking minutes of free time I may write out something larger on how Andy plays fast and loose with the history, but a quick example (other than translantic cable): Lincoln's finding God (I'll ignore the historicity of this for now) is roughly equal to the fall of Atlanta and Sherman's March to the Sea. I guarantee that Lincoln's religion will not be on the AP exam (only because that exam is all liberally biased and shit). --CWaddell 06:17, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## Disapointed

George "Dubya" Bush Palining around with known terrorists and suspected muslims.

Conservapedia is not even worth of a spit from Obama's debunkers [2]. Andy is a wimp. Barraki 13:17, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Unrelated, but still related, has anyone understood yet why we need access to Obama's Grandmother? Etc 15:08, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
I have never understood that one either. I also find it absurd that because there is nothing further one can find in respect to Ayers/Obama that the media MUST be hiding it/not following up on it. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 15:56, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
How dare they restrict access by Conservative smear-mongers to an ailing 86-year-old woman! Censorship, I say! --Kels 21:58, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

The latest "OMG, Seekrit Mooslim set us up da BOMB" headline not only goes beyond ridiculous, it's actually false. Nixon and G Gordon Liddy were good pals, and Nixon had access to the bomb. I'm sure you could find shady characters in the employ of any number of presidents. Stile4aly 16:08, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

I seem to remember seeing Rumsfeld shake Saddams hand once. Also, wasn't Daddy Bush selling weapons to Iraq for awhile? Remembering of course that Saddam was a terroist who parachuted from the plane just before it hit Tower 2. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 16:13, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Also, I bet you could find any number of previous and serving presidents who have shaken hands with evil terrorist Nelson Mandela. I'm pretty sure he's also a closet muslim, because he looks like one. --JeevesMkII 16:24, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Nelson Mandela uses the Muslim pronunciation of South Africa "Sud Afrikaa" and it is a common fact that Mandela means "He who spills the seed of Allah upon Obama". You have free will to deny this logic. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 16:46, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Mr Pot please meet Mr Kettle. - User ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \pi }$For best results lather, rinse and repeat 16:54, 20 October 2008 (EDT) (Also on an unrelated note doesn't Andy realise this gives WP more credibility)

Forgive me for blocking thsi from my memory, but weren't teh bushies quite friendly with the Bin Laden family? hellooooo Pot.--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 18:19, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Like frinstance: this, amonga host of others? --Terra 21:30, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## DavyJones...

is nothing if not persistant. I smell an infinite block cooking...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 16:42, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Yes, you certainly do. CorryWow. We're just blowing through nap time, aren't we? 17:03, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
It's so tiresome to revert and block constantly than, you know, growing a pair and responding. GOSH! NorsemanWassail! 17:32, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
It's a condition, don't make fun. --Kels 18:06, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## Wandal

This would be the ultimate in creative vandalism, if we hadn't created it first...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 18:24, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## Guess what!

Conservapedia is predicting that Obama will win the election! Anyone who can find the claim gets a prize of a one-second block from yours truly. MIP has actually signed in - 21:08, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Considering someone (you?) already commented on the main page talk about this very issue, this isn't a very amazing claim. [3] JazzMan 21:15, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Considering I mentioned it in an essay I wrote LAST Night, it's really not much of a scoop at all. PFoster 21:19, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
...never mind :P MIP has actually signed in - 21:26, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Really, they think if Obama wins it'll be because of voter fraud? By the poll differences, if everyone voted that way, I guess a couple million or more votes would be fraudulent... oh heavens to betsy! NorsemanWassail! 22:39, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
This is Andy acknowledging that his tribe is going to lose. It's the same thing they did before the first debate, come up with an excuse beforehand, and use that to point to why you did so crappy. --Kels 23:04, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
All shit is gonna break loose when Andy reads this. Ayers and Islam in one article? He'll wet his pants. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:41, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

## Cheetahs

Ok I am starting to feel bad for laughing at Conservative with how obvious his 1st grade intellect is. --BoredCPer 21:51, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

I really want to know, is Ken 13 or is he retarded? DickTurpis 21:54, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Do we really have to choose? --Kels 22:18, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
Screenshots? - User ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \pi }$For best results lather, rinse and repeat 22:54, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
I thought our phone was off the hook? Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:42, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
We ignored it for 20+ hours until the first mention here. I was wondering what he did to get this comment as he has now deleted it. - User ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \sum _{n=0}^{\infty }{\frac {(-1)^{n}4}{2n+1}}}$Now with more maths and less slogans 23:44, 20 October 2008 (EDT)
I like that new sig, Pi guy - although, with the infinite series, aren't you allowed to drop the ${\displaystyle \approx }$ sign? ħuman 00:37, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
The sum still converges to ${\displaystyle \pi }$ and I am only approx ${\displaystyle \pi }$. - User ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \sum _{n=0}^{\infty }{\frac {(-1)^{n}4}{2n+1}}}$Now with more maths and less slogans 01:02, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I have made it a closer finite series. - User ${\displaystyle \approx }$${\displaystyle \sum _{n=0}^{376849}{\frac {(-1)^{n}4}{2n+1}}}$Now with more maths and less slogans 01:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
OK. Why not go back to 22/7, or better yet, 3? Now that you're done showing off? ħuman 01:44, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
More rational now? - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 01:52, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
RationalWiki: The Wiki that can be expressed as the ratio between two IntegerWikis (one of my favorite slogans). Nice. ħuman 03:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

It is a shame because I was enjoy watching Ken continually do this "..." then ".." and "." in order to get our attention. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 00:17, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## WIGO

What happened to the "no outing of parody" rule? Also, this latest episode evidences that it's way funnier when we don't lift the receiver. We were sooo close...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 22:21, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Um, which, what, when? ħuman 00:38, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I think Antifly is referring to a certain CP user who posted a certain incredibly racist, offensive essay, and has made certain comments on the main page that make it clear that this certain person can be classified with a rhyme for terrorist. SirChuckBCall the FBI 02:29, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, that certainly clarifies things. Rhyming, I got that part... ħuman 03:28, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## Gentlemen, a game

Have you ever wondered what it's like to be Ken Conservative, sitting there all day and planning special "operations" to defend Conservapedia against logic and promote creationism? Well, wonder no more, because modern technology now lets you experience the life of Conservative! Enjoy "Operation Flying Grassroots Fortress" - the Flash game. How many page hits will you be able to get for Conservapedia?

• You play as Conservative, and must maintain your Ego meter high, while keeping your IQ low.
• Use the left and right arrow keys to move, and space to shoot out a "quote"
• Don't touch fossils, brains, mutated e-coli or your arch-nemesis Darwin
• Don't let those evil things get all the way down to Conservapedia either (shoot them down!)
• Grab (or allow to go through) the good stuff - bibles, crosses, Hitler, and the Dear Leader himself
• Watch out - if you shoot ASchlafly, he will temporarily "block" you and you won't be able to shoot briefly
• Touch Ed Poor to increase your math skills and temporarily shoot much faster
• Play the parody bugle to cut down your IQ (but watch out - it also lowers your ego)
• Watch out for the dreaded rainbow flag - it will slow down your movement considerably (shoot it down, if you can!)

--Composure1 00:50, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Bumped! Please don't let it die. It's pretty funny, and fun. Should we have a longterm home for these sort of things? ħuman 03:40, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
There is a link to it here, maybe the rules could be added. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 03:47, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
It's easier to play, but I still suck at it. :( It's hard trying to be stupid. NorsemanWassail! 10:09, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

I am happily surprised to see this bumped back on here. I am actually considering making a more elaborate game related to CP, specifically a "Tower Defense" type game (which I always wanted to make, and CP could be an interesting theme - i.e. "defend Conservapedia from vandals, parodists, liberals, evolutionists etc."). It would be quite hilarious if we could get it posted on addictinggames.com or some other such site. I would need some assistance with graphics though if we want it to look more professional. Anyway, I will think about this some more and perhaps make a prototype in the next few weeks. --Composure1 11:33, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Awww, lost at 6514 while I was about to get the sixth or so bugler. NightFlare The odds against a [particular] Muslim converting to Christianity are less than 100 to 1, as far fewer less than 1% of the over 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity each year.[1] 18:47, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## A great night

Gawd, I missed out on so many opportunities to get blocked, or let Andy Parth his shots. Dang. Somewhere in the middle of it all ħuman 03:58, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

And when I say "a great night", I guess I really mean an "afternoon" I missed because I had to play "Joe the Plumber". And will have to until I once again have central heating ;) ħuman 04:01, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, at least you can earn over a quarter of a million dollars doing that, eh Human? I really wish I'd studied plumbing in college instead of advanced nuclear biometrical statistics with a minor in intarweb computer engineering and hedge fund management. DogP 11:59, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Earn? Study? What are these things? I'm just doing a changeover from a decrepit oil boiler with a tankless coil to a propane fired new tankless water heater and slightly used propane boiler. Since the boiler is going in a different place than the old one, there's a lot of pipe to move around... hehe... ħuman 18:30, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## Thomas Edison, agnostic, on CP

Dynamite. I have read many biographies of Edison, and also some of his lab notebooks, but I didn't know about that quote. How much clearer can we get? And yet, (L)Andru deletes it. What a shame. Without question, Edison should be revered for his many inventions; phonograph, incandescent light, motion pictures, and perhaps most importantly, but rarely cited, his development of the modern industrial laboratory, AND the electrical grid. BUT: The man had flaws. He was anti-semitic, had a tendency to not share the credit for things (like motion pictures), and could be very stubborn about things he didn't invent, like AC systems and radio. So, even IF (L)Andru views his being an agnostic as a flaw (I don't), it simply is a part of who the man was. THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH! LIKE IT OR NOT (L)ANDRU! I say "warts and all" for everyone in a wiki. It is who they were, plain and simple. Don't make stuff up, and don't delete stuff that is true! Godspeed! Jimaginator 09:51, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Another religious quote from Thomas Alva: "If we all try to carry out the golden rule in this life we have little to fear from the hereafter no matter what our belief may be." From the same book cited on WP. Jimaginator 09:58, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Know what's better? Andy from the past: "He's [DanH] right that Edison professed at times to be agnostic, probably more so later in life." Mmmm, I can taste ideology. :P NorsemanWassail! 10:07, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
But you must remember that in Andyland every great invention in HISTORY OF THE WORLD were invented by good Christians with divine influence, and everything negative came about from those damn Atheists. We've all seen Andy's frantic stretching and scrambling to reqrite history and change the invention.... Look at his shit about Triangular Trade and Arabic Numerals. I'm waiting for him to say that Hippocrates was really a Christian and he just hid it from the other Greeks so they wouldn't kill him. SirChuckBCall the FBI 11:23, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
But hells bells, if he was an agnostic, he simply was! The interplay between WP,CP, and RW has given me great insight into the "mind"set of these people. They genuinely scare me. I know a fair amount about inventions, and ANY invention can be viewed in two lights, both good and bad. Who's to even say? Even if a supposedly benign invention like the phonograph had never been invented, perhaps we would have live music on every street corner, every family would play instruments after dinner and our lives would be enriched. I know, I know, I am ranting against the irrational, but still it irks. Edison was who he was, that's all. The truth is the truth, like it or not. Assuming (L)Andru would view the A-bomb as a bad thing (would he?) I am sure we can rustle up a few hundred bible thumping Christians who worked on the Manhattan project.
By the way, it took me about 30 seconds to track down the source. (Without using the hated Wikipedia, of course.) I Googled for "three qualities of which I spoke", and got a page on media.wiley.com that sources it in the New York Yimes Magizine, October 2, 1910. "Religious section not well supported"??? Gauss 12:14, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## It's all kicking off

It's all kicking off on the Desk/Abuse page. Bugler's going to challenge them all to pistols at dawn in a minute.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 12:38, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

It's funny to note that Aschlafly never has made a single edit to that page, even though a lot of complaints concern him directly. He doesn't want to get his hands dirty, apparently. Etc 14:12, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
This really doesn't surprise me. Andy's conduct for his entire life seems to be claim leadership while avoiding any responsibility that comes with it, and then attacking others who do better than he. For example, and this is from personal experience, nobody who spends 85,000 of cash on a political campaign, and finishes decently for an unknown riding on name recognition, completely gives up the idea. If he were serious, he could have easily built a better campaign and come back to try again. Instead, he simply gave up so he could bitch about the liberal bias in the world. He's never going to answer any of the complaints about his cronies, let alone the ones regarding him personally. He's going to sit back and masterba.... prepare his lectures and then procliam "I is the world's greatest educator, look at the size of penis classes. SirChuckBCall the FBI 14:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, come on. The man has the charisma of a brick. He was never going to make it in politics at any level, and it's hard to believe he was ever serious about trying. There's no shame in it, I know full well I'd make a rubbish politician, but the difference is I'd never fool myself that I could. Andy had one shot at a decent career when he was working as an electrical engineer. Good job, decent prospects, give it a few years and you'd be heading a team and working on some exciting stuff. I'm mystified whenever I think about him quitting, going back to university and starting all over again as a lawyer. Its a career he's patently unsuited for, one where he's going to be stuck in a back office doing drudge work for eternity, or as it turns out working a sinecure for mummy. --JeevesMkII 15:23, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Ooh, that's gotta hurt. Ajkgordon 16:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
For the most part I agree with you Jeeves, but I think we differ on a few points. For starters, I don't think his lack of Charisma hurt him all that much. Just look at well known politicians such as Orin Hatch of UT (yes, I know, it's Utah) of even Lieberman in CT. Charisma isn't really all that important when you're running for minor offices such as HOR. Without looking, who can tell me their representative's name and office (ok, we're a bad sample). I also disagree with his not serious about trying. I think he was very serious, He spent 85,000 of his money. I know he's got plenty, but that's still a lot to throw around for a laugh or a passing fancy. I think, more likely, he would coast to victory through his mother's name and never have to do much except vote against the Homosexual agenda. When he saw how much effort and time a politician spends on their job, he lost the nerve. I do agree with you about his best shot being as a Engineer and I personally think he completed law school only to start throwing that around as if he were a big shot, Johnny Cochran level lawyer. SirChuckBCall the FBI 16:21, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
On one hand, I'm anticipating what will eventually end that discussion, since the merits of abuse are clearly there. A user complains about Bugler and those who ignore his actions, and right there he's blocking a user constantly for reporting more of Bugler's actions. If someone stepped in, aside from Philip (who's known to butt heads, albeit retrospectively), they risk the "Where were you, why did it take you so long to act?" question, which leads to my "on the other hand" assumption that it'll just be yet another forgotten and ignored situation. I don't think I've seen Karajou do anything after he said he'd take action, either. NorsemanWassail! 17:32, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Re. Andy: He timed his run for Congress really badly. Bush Snr.'s approval ratings were going through the floor at the time and the Democrat candidate for the seat coasted to a pretty comfortable win (50% v. 45%). Fuck knows what the margin of victory would've been if Andy had won his primary and gone into battle on his (likely) ultra-conservative ticket. Bizarrely, though, if he'd waited a few years and gone into practice in a nice, fundie Bible Belt district... shudders... but let us never speak of this again. --Robledo 20:14, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Ya... someone is going to have to start saving this as I can see it going for a full burn at some point. ArmondikoVd hominem 20:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## spoof article?

Not WGOI worthy, but this article is a spoof, right? I mean... i mean... i mean... "most techologically savy?" Mr. "I use teh google?" mr. "my wife does it for me????" "does not lie" ??????--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 13:41, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Which article? --SpinyNorman 14:16, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I think it's the article referenced in this edit. Could be wrong though. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:36, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Sadly, not only is this article 100% authentic, it's about the same level of shit that bubbles from the toilet known as the American Thinker. Maybe they should call Joe the Plumber. By the way, I added this to WIGO Clog SirChuckBCall the FBI 14:53, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Re "shit that bubbles from the toilet known as the American Thinker" - actually, that logo does look like Uncle Sam sitting on the toilet. Sometimes a website just sums itself up perfectly. weaseLOId~ 19:06, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
The WIGO Clog entry was the only way I knew what to look for :-) --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 14:56, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I suck today. :D Put this on the non-talk (ie., real american WGOI page...) didn't add teh link... can I go home now?--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 15:20, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
The "50 lies" linked article links to snopes...which debunks the 50 lies.... PenguinLust 15:43, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
The irony is that is beautiful. SirChuckBCall the FBI 16:22, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah... that one set off my Poe alarm too. But, you never know. You've seen some of Assfly's "references" that he adds, where he's clearly read the URL and nothing else. ArmondikoVd hominem 20:21, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

## Hollywood values AND Hollywood style

You know, I think Andy is missing a trick here. This latest Hollywood values murder case is clearly also an instance of Hollywood StyleTM. I mean, tying people to an anchor and then throwing them off a boat. Very Bond villain. Definitely a Scott Evil there, if not the Herr Doktor himself. Jeeves would like to categorically state he does not in any way shape or form condone murdering people, even if done in a theatrical style. His views do not reflect those of rationalwiki as a whole. All rights reserved. --JeevesMkII 19:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

yeah, but then he'd have to admit he's seen some movies of the bad bad hollywood!--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 20:22, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I bet he keeps a good selection of "liberal" blockbusters like that uber Left-Wing flicks The Matrix (they all live like commies) or The Green Mile (it makes you sympathise with people on death row) or Waterworld (pro-Global Warming) hidden in his cupboard and only gets them out when mommy isn't around. It's quite sad, normal people do that with porn, but Andy must have to do it with any video. ArmondikoVd hominem 20:26, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
And PJR steps up...somewhat. I've been lurking for some time and still can't make up my mind about him. PenguinLustI hate walruses 22:25, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
PJR is real. He is from regional Victoria, besides being a bible literalist he is an otherwise sensible guy. He sticks out at CP like a sore thumb. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 23:00, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
(L)Andru is guilty of "talk, talk, talk" on the Hollywood Values article. Banish him from Conservapedia forthwith! Jimaginator 09:09, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
We ought to have a counter for the number of times that Andy digs out the "People who don't buy my wild accusations are just like the people who claim smoking doesn't cause cancer" tactic.Bayes 10:13, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
That's a simple one. Smoking has been shown to have a statistically causative relationship with lung cancer whereas Andy's suggestions are at best correlative and anectodal. He has collected no systematic data, only cherry picked items that support his idea. This is known as confirmation bias. Andy's complete inability to understand statistics and the difference between correlation and causation is at the root of almost all of his wrong headed ideas (vaccination, SBS, "x" values, creationism, prayer in schools, etc). Stile4aly 12:32, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, I meant an actual numerical counter, not an argumentative one...seems like he's made that analogy a dozen times or so, on a wide variety of topics. I sincerely hope that anyone with a sense of critical thought can see through his "logic."Bayes 13:43, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Silly slightly off=topic question, but why does Regan always get a pass on "hollywood values". HE HAD THREE FRIGGING divorces and every biography of him in his "younger, sexier, cowboy days" talk of him being quite the lady's man - married ladies and single ladies and whether or not he himself was married at the time do not appear to be relevant. And don't get me started on ms. Nancy's umm... "morals" when she was in the show biz world. what gives?--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 12:45, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Haven't you read the Ode to the Greatest President since Washington? And let us not forget the finest piece of film making ever robbed of an Oscar by the crackhead, liberal, anti-chimp forces in Sodomfornia, Bedtime for Bonzo. Who could forget that scene where the Gipper and his furry sidekick led the march to Washington, protesting the banning of prayer at zoos? PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 13:00, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
CP covers the first 55 years of Reagan's life in two very short paragraphs. His whole early life seems to have been expunged from the record. Silver Sloth 13:54, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Reagan gets a pass for the same reason that Ahnold gets a pass (cumming in the gym anybody?) as does Charlton Heston and any other famous Conservative filmaker or actor. Hollywood Values is code speak for filthy liberals and acknowledging that Conservative heros have their own personal issues detracts from their mass opposition to the liberal elite.... whoever and whatever that may be. SirChuckBCall the FBI 14:17, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

## Gentleman-at-the-rather-shit-website

Again Ken in order of increasing importance

1) SATs are no longer correlated with IQ.

2) You hardly come across as intelligent with your unfunny "parody" and other crappy youtube clips and picture, you seriously look like you are about 15 and not 46.

3) For someone so intelligent how come you still commit logical fallacies such as quote-mining, basically an argument from authority assuming you have not done your usual intellectual dishonest trick of taking it out of context, and also argumentum ad populum by quoting opinion polls about evolution and atheism as though they give an indication of the truth.

Until you finally address number 3, your continued logical fallacies in your pet articles, I am still going to think you are an idiot with no ability to succeed academically. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 20:18, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

When were SATs correlated with IQ anyhow? and SAT/ACTs are not the same, though he seems to imply they are..
I'm just amused that while Darwin is dead, he still pwns Ken regularly. --Kels 20:34, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I can't find where I read it, it use to be on Mensa's site, it was pre-1980's something like '79 it stopped. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 20:41, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Still, though, IQ doesn't necessarily mean that much (I'm going to go ahead and work on an assumption that Kenny boy may in fact have a 130IQ, which I doubt, but you never know). It's just a messure of one particular attribute. A high IQ doesn't make someone sensible, or capable of working a media wiki, or making coherent thought, or spelling well. Last time, and only time, I tried to find mine (it's probably deteriorated in the last few years) it was 120-130 ish, but I'm crap at spelling and practically autistic in other areas. If you judged my IQ on map reading ability, it would be 3,000, if you judged it on my hand-eye co-ordination (and driving) it'd be 3. The only reason to brag about your IQ is if you have zero confidence in your actual intelligence and ability to think. ArmondikoVd hominem 20:49, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
I worked for a while for a gent that was a member of Mensa and who fully believed the Urantia was the inside scoop on life, the universe, and everything – right down to people having flown around on giant birds fifty thousand years ago. He also was a mind reader. Funny thing, he said I was one of the few people he couldn’t read – I told him that I had worked on a mental block for years in case I met someone like him. PenguinLustI hate walruses 21:05, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Once when I was young and stupid, I applied for the Mensa application form. I received it and sat down to diligently get to work on it. And then I thought about it for a bit, and I rapidly realised that anyone who anyone who applies for Mensa membership must by definition be a dick. It's just the most self-satisfied, smug, and completely meaningless qualification. I tore up the form half completed and have felt happy with whatever my own unmeasured level of 'intelligence' happens to be ever since. I think it's only insecurity that makes anyone take the test. DogP 21:23, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Mensa accepts SAT scores before some old date for membership (like, mine would get me "in"). But, come on, the top 2% smartist peoples? Not exclusive enough to be worth it - as said, dick who want to be able to claim how smart they are. PS, I got an article deleted on WP that was a toy of some high-IQ freak (with no good writings on the web or accomplishments in life to make him remarkable...). Some of these people are just lame ("Oh, my IQ is 383, I am twelve sigmas brilliang..." - yeah, but what have you done with it? You're not even a funny drunk!). Rant over :) ħuman 04:19, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Shit we don't have a page on Urantia, The Urantia book or Urantism. Help please I know nothing about any of these, seriously people I need to know. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 21:16, 21 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually, I just looked and noticed that. I'm new to wiki-ville (haven't worked on one before) and will be traveling the end of the week but I'll take a crack and get something going. I'm not and expert, though, but considering how entertaining I find the topic, what the heck. In the meantime, do a search for it and begin your learning, Grasshopper. Multi-primary-colored ancestors, alien-quarantines - doesn't get any better. PenguinLustI hate walruses 21:21, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Ken you still haven't answered #3. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 21:35, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Stop poking him with a stick. PFoster 21:49, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

5 edit an 981 characters later and you still have not addressed point #3. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 21:59, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Stop poking him with a stick.PFoster 22:00, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

I second PFoster. Besides, Ken's posts are funnier if we do not respond to him (see the last telephone message, which we did not comment on). He just gets more and more desperate and winds up adding all sorts of hilarious comments, pictures and links to random youtube videos. Take for instance the picture of Sun Tzu, his incoherent ramblings about the Art of War and this link, which completely pwns him. You can't make this stuff up...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 22:16, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Does anyone have a screenshot of the last one I completely missed it. Besides someone WIGOed it so it can't pass without comment now. - User ${\displaystyle =}$${\displaystyle 314,159/100,000}$ 22:26, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Hmm, he says he took his exams under "adverse conditions". While he was conscious, maybe? --Kels 23:29, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

I just love the amount of talking he does about his IQ before he tells us how unimportant it is. - User${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work. 01:35, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Ken, I don't give a damn about your IQ, but please have a little more respect for the basics of English grammar. The past participle of take is have taken, not "have took". weaseLOId~ 04:59, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
After looking it up, this means he both scored the same as I did, and has the same IQ as I do. (Although I did a written test that backs this up. Also, like him, I did take the SAT under less than ideal circumstances. While I didn't drink, I did go out late the night before. I don't consider either number to be meaningful. My brother tests around 155, and he's got very poor common sense, and is often casually diagnosed with asperger's syndrome. - Lardashe

### My Conversations with the Ken-fused

Ken, statistical intelligence doesn't matter if you can't express yourself, and if your genius isn't recognized. Your method of argumentation - stating sources rather than arguments, using silly names & pictures to demean concepts you don't like, appealing to authority rather than ideas, and invoking guilt by association - leaves much to be desired. If you have this intelligence, it isn't being very well displayed. I'm sure you can agree with that, at least.-caius (historian) 23:37, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

You know Ken, I went to school with an Idiot-Savant who was extremely intelligent (as most are) and would have had an impressive IQ however that didnt stop him eating cigarette butts and gluing his hand to his face. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 00:32, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
I have nothing to add other than Ken'a articles are all crap, I just want to test my new sig. - User${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work. 01:10, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeesh, it's a bit of an eyesore. Don't you have any clever equations that aren't three letterspans high?--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 10:05, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
You seem to be yielding that his spurious IQ claims are legit. If his IQ is above 75 I'll eat an entire carton of cigarettes and glue both hands to my face. DickTurpis 10:15, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

## Bugler PhD

So Bugler claims to be on track for a doctorate. Anyone know or want to speculate what it might be in? (lets assume he's real here). I haven't noticed any particular specialist knowledge in his edits, unless he's is getting a doctorate in UK football teams.— Unsigned, by: 76.121.187.138 / talk / contribs

I thought all football team articles where deleted sometime ago for being non-educational. Well that is the way it goes at CP if you are one of Andy's pets you can write on what ever you want. - User${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work. 01:35, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Link? Coarb 02:56, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Damn it, I knew someone was going to make me wade into the shit and find that: http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk%3AEssay%3AAdvantages_of_Large_Classes&diff=538504&oldid=538501 — Unsigned, by: 76.121.187.138 / talk / contribs

It IS possible to get a doctorate in being an asswipe, but it's only online. Jimaginator 09:15, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

My classes were always under 30 in size, I never did the school prayer thing outside first school yet I'm on course for a full PhD. Coincidence? (I could even link to the research group's website to prove it when I get it up, I doubt Bugler could do the same... also his terminolgy is telling that he's either a parodist sucking up to Andy or just spent far too long in his metaphysical online presence.) ArmondikoVd hominem 12:43, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Bugler is full of crap. I have worked in academia for nearly two decades and I have seen a few (mind you, maybe three people) progress to a Ph.D in only three years. Every individual I saw who earned their doctorate in three years was an extraordinarily focused individual, and they did not have time for garbage like CP--Franklin 15:08, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
It's not unusual for a PhD to take 3 years in the UK. Most people do take longer, but a reasonable proportion will finish in about 3 years. I've been going at my PhD for 4 years, and can immediately think of more than three people in my research group who finished in 3 years. I still think Bugler is full of shit, mind you, just pointing out that the claim of a 3 year PhD is not in itself incredibly unbelievable. alt 16:10, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
OMG, it just gets sillier. No way can that be serious. weaseLOId~ 06:00, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Phyllis Schlafly...

...in today's Bloom County re-run. Classic. PFoster 10:04, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Opus, my hero! PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 10:10, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
You beat me to it, PFoster! Damn it all! I let my ADD take over and I started looking at her latest yapping. NorsemanWassail! 11:08, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Funny thing about that link, PFoster. I actually agree with every single thing the icky big bad scary socialist wants to do in teh school. I WANT a spanish speaking kid. god forbid! And i want my kids to learn about global warming. it's so scary out there in wacko-conservativereality.--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 12:11, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
The Bloom County link doesn't work under Firefox - I had to use IE. :( Silver Sloth 12:25, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't think it's a firefox thing. I use it exclusively and I had no problem. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 12:33, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Ditto. PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 13:26, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Anyone want to ask for permission for us to post that in mainspace? Генгисmarauding 13:30, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Seriously, has Breathed put out anything remotely worth reading since Bloom County ended? Outland was almost passable, but went downhill (and abandoned its original premise) quickly, and I haven't really been impressed with anything he's done since. --Kels 19:40, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Kels, you and me can't be friends anymore. His children's books--especially the newest one--are touching, beautiful and poignant. And if anything, the last panel from a couple of weeks back--Opus and a stray dog curled up together at the animal shelter--was one of his best moments ever. The panic on Opus's face when he's in the john and told the end is near? Classic Breathed...PFoster 19:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Okay, fair enough. I couldn't stomach the Opus series when it started, so it's nice to see he still has flashes of brilliance now and then. As to his children's books, I haven't really kept up, so again it's good to see he's capable of quality there. I guess the declining quality of Outland back in the day and the early bits of Opus turned me off before I could get to the decent bits. --Kels 20:16, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

## Those Crazy Nazis

This is a little complicated, and I can't think of a way to shorten it down enough for a regular WIGO. It seems CP is a little confused about the Nazi issue. Now, I know for a fact that they have said all evoluntists are basically Hitler supporters (As I right this, there is still that stupid picture on the front page) and the Obama story from the American Thinker yesterday reminds everyone that Hitler was a good speaker (just like Obama) but they dare to feign outrage and claim bad form when their own party gets it. "For calling for an investigation into the Obama-Ayers connection, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) has been given the Nazi-link by the "tolerant" liberal establishment:"[4] and then they bitch about Family Guy here. Seems like they want it both ways... and in case you didn't know, Rep. Bachmann did not call into an investigation of the Obama-Ayers link, she called for an investigation to find "Anti-American" forces in Congress. SirChuckBCall the FBI 12:55, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't really see any inconsistency in that. Nobody likes to be compared to Hitler, that's why CP (& other blogs) evoke the Hitler connection as an easy way to piss off liberals, but also balk about such comparisons when the boot is on the other foot. weaseLOId~ 13:15, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
I suppose when you put it that way it's fairly simple. ArmondikoVd hominem 13:22, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

## Scammin' genius

Not about Conservapedia, but I love the advert appearing for me at the bottom of the page at the moment. HOW TO RUN A CHRIST-CENTRED BUSINESS FOR BIG PROFITS! It's genius. Combining the get rich quick idiot demographic with the god squad idiot demographic. They've really got their scam focus down pat there. You go, scammers! --JeevesMkII 13:18, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm getting that too. What is a "Christ-centered" business anyway? I want to click on it but kind of don't... ArmondikoVd hominem 13:20, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
I just clicked on it - give 'em your email and it directs to this page (saved your email from clog there!) where you can download a 75-nminute audio lecture on the topic. I downloaded it because I'm a sound artist and I use this kind of stuff, but you guys can still save yourselves. Totnesmartin 18:23, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, Oh. Now I want a bumper sticker "Jesus does my PAYE returns" --JeevesMkII 13:24, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Harrumph! All I could see was something about Viennese gay scene and even that went away when I logged in!Mick McT 13:29, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
The ads on this site can be pretty wacky. Right now I've got "SingleMuslim.com The world's leading Muslim introduction agency."-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 13:30, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
(ed conflicts x3) Me too. I'm just getting ads for Muslim dating sites & gay dating sites (just had one called GayEbonyDating.com). Are the ads generated based on what pages you view/edit most here or words you use most often? Or just random based on site themes? weaseLOId~ 13:36, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
I've been getting a lot from the Divinity party... Do we have an article them? Anyway, the last one read "He turned water into wine, how do you think he'll solve the gas crisis?" An interesting platform, but waiting on Hay-Zeus to come in and turn whatever into gas is going to take a while. SirChuckBCall the FBI 13:39, 22 October 2008 (EDT) EDIT: I've also seen "He healed the sick, what can he do for the healthcare crisis?" and "He turned out the moneychangers, what can he do for the wall street crisis?" I'm sensing a recurring theme here.

Oh dear fucking dog. They want 100 bucks a month to teach you how to fuck your business in the arse by deferring to the magic man in the sky for every little decision. I swear, I'm in the wrong business. Scamming people might be a wee bit immoral, but it must bring in the cash. --JeevesMkII 13:42, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long
 “”The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes on to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it's lovely work if you can stomach it.
 “”Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proved innocent.
 “”The shamans are forever yacking about their snake-oil "miracles." I prefer the Real McCoy -- a pregnant woman.
Apparently, Heinlin thought he real money was in obstetrics. He might be on to something there... with the current finical issue people aren't going out and instead are "staying in" a bit more often for entertainment. Not the most sound finical investment (write offs for dependents only go so far) unless you also invest in birth control. --Shagie 15:39, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Ick . . you quoted Heinlin.
 “”A dream will always triumph over reality, once it is given the chance.

Stanislaw Lem Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 16:22, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

## Bets and Guesses?

If the question gets asked over there about this, what are the top three reasons it won't make the main page? PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 16:42, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm sure they'll just turn a blind eye to it, much like they do with everything that doesn't fit their world view. But since you asked for three reasons, A, It casts Republicans in a bad light, B, it can't be clamed that he was a liberal in diguise, and C, it undercuts their claim that Liberals have been responsible for every instance of voter fraud in history. SirChuckBCall the FBI 16:51, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
D) None of them read CNN, because it's not a right-wing nuthouse paper. JazzMan 17:46, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking of the whole "liberals in disguise" angle, perhaps with dug-up info that the major player had performed in a school play and therefore was infected with HV. PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 18:42, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

## Laugh? I almost did.

This question. The unspeakable irony of this question. "Abraham Lincoln was homeschooled. Do you see any characteristics in him that might have reflected his homeschooling, such as his independent thinking?"

Assfly: You vill all soon learn to think independently, my young apprentices! Students: Jawohl, mein kommandant! --JeevesMkII 19:50, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

"Your view of Abraham Lincoln, please." There's a hard-hitting honours question. Heck of a job, Andy! --Kels 22:52, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Answer = "yes!" ten pointzes. ħuman 03:24, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Neptune

what is the meaning of this

99.236.43.183 20:12, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Shit, so that's what it is.
Guess I should stop eating Neptune bread. NorsemanWassail! 21:33, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
It's Intelligently Designed to fit in your hand perfectly? No, that's not it. --Toiretni 22:10, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh my dear frickin' God. That is hilarious. I was amused by Fish, but Banana is just taking it to a whole nother level. (See also: Python, Ant.) --Marty 22:46, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Well, in defense of those coding books, they're... named for the coding, not the picture on the book. Though, I understand the Python, but not the Ant with the picture of a chameleon.. NorsemanWassail! 23:57, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
You need to read the colophon for the book. It need not have any direct relation, but geeks typically want a book they can name easily. Camel book? Thats programming perl. Llama? Thats the learning perl book. Armodillo? System administration. Bat, thats sendmail. Note - these are all from memory. Sometimes there is a theme within a series (Camel and Llamas - apparently, there is also an alpaca too), sometimes not. --Shagie 04:28, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
The "tadpole" book is the beginners' version of the "frog" book, IIRC. Pseudomonas 09:06, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Journalistic Malpractice

I kinda get what Jpatt's trying to say here (liberals suck, journalists who say bad things about Conservatives are Bad People, things were better in the 50's, etc.), but let's get real for a minute. When was the political press ever really objective? I mean, you go and look at the press of pretty much any time period where there was a free press, and there's muckraking and party politics right there in the press all over the place. But then, I guess living in a fantasy world that supposedly happened Once Upon a Time is a Conservative value. --Kels 22:46, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

"Objective journalism was once the cornerstone of America's democracy." ORLY?? Objectivity has been a goal for most journalists, but few if any reach it. But the word "malpractice" in the title. Does that imply that there should be legal consequences... for journalists who fail to be objective? --Toiretni 23:15, 22 October 2008 (EDT)
Such utter nonsense betrays that Jpatt has zero first-hand knowledge of old-school journalism. I suppose he's just falling back on the standard "things used to be better" mantra. But in point of fact, most newspapers in America were very obviously partisan throughout her history, taking the tradition from Britain. Newspaper barons would make or break public opinion on policies or issues by dint of their own personal beliefs spread out through a dozen periodicals. Such a legacy has left us with illegal marijuana, to pick just one of the most long-lasting examples.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 02:24, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I dare someone to go over there and write an article on "educational malpractice," and how it could cover negligent homeschooling. If you get far, and would like to make it an article here, I'll send you some appropriate law review articles :).-caius (historian) 00:49, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

My irony meter totally isn't happy with the line "One of journalists' goals is to selectively edit statements to hide facts or to perpetrate falsehoods or hide unflattering stories of like-minded individuals." existing on the same wiki as anything Ken cuts and pastes writes. --Kels 06:08, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## word count

did anyone else notice that the text he is using is from 1950? no wonder he thinks indians were stupid primatives.--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 23:17, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

1950? Isn't that in the era American conservatives (of the Andy kind) consider ideal? I bet he thinks history was better back then too. NightFlare The odds against a [particular] Muslim converting to Christianity are less than 100 to 1, as far fewer less than 1% of the over 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity each year.[1] 00:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, there was certainly LESS of it. Helpful when you're a history teacher who doesn't know what he's doing. PFoster 00:15, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I just had a lulzy mental image of the Schlafly family library. It's a collection of books that were bought in the 1950's to stock the underground bomb shelter in his family's backyard, so they could ensure that their post-WWIII offspring would have "appropriate" material to learn from. When Andy wants to consult trustworthy references free from all of that liberal claptrap written in the last half-century, all he has to do is move a patio chair aside, descend a ladder, and the conservative wisdom of the 1950's is at his fingertips. --SpinyNorman 09:36, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Presumably, his computer is down there too. It would be a fitting image. --Kels 15:01, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Fascinating: Ken tries to SEO "Andrew Schlafly" in one night

Earlier tonight, someone noted to Ken that the first few Google hits for "Andrew Schlafly" are RationalWiki. After he banned him, Ken quickly went to work on this. I think it's clear what he's doing: he's blatantly trying to SEO "Andrew Schlafly" back into the top slot! How privileged we should feel to get to see his madness close up.-caius (historian) 01:43, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Wait for him to start spamming links to the article on every blog he can lay his greasy little quotemining hands on. CaycePattern 02:33, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Has anyone clicked on the "more results from RationalWiki" button, the results go for pages. It is obvious why we are number one, we are the single largest information source on Andrew Schlafly, you can't compete with that. - User${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$Please set to always render PNG. I have wasted alot of time to make this work. 02:53, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Ha! Hah! Worth WIGOing? CaycePattern 03:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I dunno about that, but the formatting in the "Ken Korner" (lower left side) is borken again. Ken, fix it! Your "Uncharitableness and Atheists/Agnostics" heading is to the right of the Fuhererereeeeere image, when it should be down above those lovely starving African chilluns. ħuman 03:31, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
PS, at Cayce, sure, why not try your hand at it? The bar for WIGO is pretty low, and if "we" hate it, we'll vote it down. But I suspect it is worthy of noting. ħuman 03:32, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I would like state, as the guilty party, that I took great joy in watching Ken suddenly start editing Schlafly entries as soon as I mentioned it too him. I was laughing so hard my boss was curious how I could get such a giggle from financial data. Also, I couldn't resist. Sorry, self promotion. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 03:37, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Hey Ken, here's a secret SEO trick for better Google ranking: add a Hitler picture to the Schlafly article. It will increase Google's internal relevance parameters by at least a factor 1. If that's not enought, add Stalin too. --Just passing by 04:24, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Ace, did you use the Schlafly generator for that one? Besides, can we not all blog-along to the Schlafly article to SEO it ourselves? I mean, no harm in staying at the top so long as it remains funny to taunt them over it. ArmondikoVd hominem 05:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Na, didnt use the Schlafly Quote gen. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 16:45, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Is Andy going to be OK with all these links to the page about him sprouting up? Yes he started the site, but I don't think he has a particular desire for it to be the Andy Schlafly show.--KrissAkabusiAwoogar 06:42, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Ha HA HA!! Andy didn't .... Ha Ha Ha .... start the .... Ha Ha Ha .... to be about .... HA HA HA ... him ... AH HA HA HA!. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 07:20, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Quote for Truth: Ha HA HA!! Andy didn't .... Ha Ha Ha .... start the .... Ha Ha Ha .... to be about .... HA HA HA ... him ... AH HA HA HA!. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 10:18, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I concur the "HA HA HA" statement. NorsemanWassail! 12:23, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Bugler's Doctorate

Related to COUNSELLING!!!!!!! CaycePattern 06:50, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Weird phrasing. What does it mean "related to counseling?"--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 07:01, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Just imagining the intolerant twat "counselling" anyone less than A Hitler esq (Sorry Mr. Poe) is quite mind boggling! --CaycePattern 07:06, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, assuming he's a parodist, when/if he does the big blow-off, it will be a lesson about the repercussions of keeping your head firmly up your ass, self-delusion, etc - makes sense. PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 07:06, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I think that I got pretty close with this. Генгисmarauding 08:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Hmm, good guess. But you have to remember that PhDs in Science are completely different to other PhDs such as ones in Music, Sociology or History and particularly "related to counselling". ArmondikoVd hominem 08:12, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
This doctorate bit doesn't add up to me. First he says that he is "on track to finish his doctorate in 2-3 years." How many PhD students do you know who would say something like that? More plausible would have been "I'm two years into a doctoral degree." Then there is the "related to counselling" bit. Why wouldn't you just state the program? The only reason I can think of is that the program is so unique that telling people would allow them to find which university you study at. But we are talking about a PhD here, not a professional certification...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 09:12, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
In the UK, you're PhD is basically 3 years long (from what I've read of Piled Higher and Deeper and other places, US and other postgrad programs go on as long as you like. You can go into 4 if you have funding (basically to write up) or 5 if you have circumstances to support it. But basically, it puts him at a 1st year doctorate student (so should really just be an MPhil at the moment but we wave the distinction as it's not important and it's done everywhere). ArmondikoVd hominem 09:34, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
UK PhDs have traditionally been 3 years, but in some subjects (eg Physics) the funding bodies are moving towards longer ones - 3.5 years of funding is now not uncommon. We also don't generally do MPhils first - in many subjects, you'll do 3 years undergrad then (potentially) 3 years PhD and then graduate. You'd do a four year undergrad degree in most sciences, though. alt 11:50, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Bugler's studying for his PhD in reparative therapy. Guarantee.caius (historian) 10:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Do they have that in the UK? I thought only Americans were dumb, self-righteous and ignorant enough to buy into that shit.PFoster 10:14, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
<edit conflict> Bollocks. He's already said that he basically considers analytical therapies to be a crock of shit, which is why I don't buy this counselling stuff at all. After being uncertain about it for a long time, I'm now pretty convinced that Bugler is not for real. weaseLOId~ 10:19, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually, one possible non-parodist explanation: if you Google "Christian counselling doctorate", you'll see a bunch of dubious online courses. If he is for real, I bet that's what he's doing. weaseLOId~ 10:30, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Tres interesting theory. It's possible, and applying for a dubious online course fits the profile. ArmondikoVd hominem 10:34, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
A degree from a seminary seems like the logical conclusion. But if Bugler is enrolled in a "doctorate" program at some seminary surely his command of the Bible would be more apparent. He never quotes the Bible, and he comes accross as a noxious little shit. I don't find this beliveable. Online courses are a possibility.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 10:40, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Googleing "Christian counselling doctorate" returns this site as the number two hit. Here is the third paragraph of their preamble, verbatim (emphasis mine):

 “”Are you looking for a radically different Christian Counseling Doctorate Degree program? A program with an approach that gets the rational mind out of the way and invites the Wonderful Counselor to come and replace those painful thoughts, pictures and memories with His positive ones?

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 10:44, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I didn't notice that. Wonderfully honest. Just put those rational thoughts aside & give us your money. weaseLOId~ 10:48, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Answer: I smell a contradiction...-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 11:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

And Old Nick blows it. You had a good run, though...PFoster 11:08, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Ah shit! Never mind. Where are we having Bugler's coming out party? ArmondikoVd hominem 11:13, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Didn't Bugler come out here shortly before writing this here? 67.159.44.138 13:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Haha, busted. Maybe his PhD thesis is on the modern history of counseling in Britain? --Toiretni 11:29, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Can we have a cake? (No, not the goat one. A proper cake!) --YossieSpring in Fialta 12:29, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Aschlafly still wants to believe.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 12:46, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

It's not just Aschlafly with Bugler; Conservapedia cherishes and rewards its obvious parodists. weaseLOId~ 13:01, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
That's really odd. Andy blocked a new user with the 90/10 rule after one edit. OK he's done that before but why respond to that particular entry unless he's already clued up by the preceding comments? I think this shows Andy reads WIGO. Генгисmarauding 13:04, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
So the Bugger admits to liberal cp:Deceit:deceit in a damage limitation exercise. But really, working for the Samaritans? I think he's more likely to make people top themselves rather than have second thoughts. My wife is a trained counsellor (only MA not Ph.D.) so I know quite a few, and I can't believe that anyone trained in counselling would treat other people in the way that Bugler does. The first rule of counselling is not to be judgemental. Генгисmarauding 13:23, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Thing is, if I remember correctly, there are no real laws regarding the definition of a 'trained counsellor' in the UK, where Bugger claims to be from. Does this not mean that he can, in fact, claim to be a 'trained counsellor' simply after someone taking him aside for ten minutes and telling him the basics of it? Zmidponk 17:35, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
That is true, but if, as he claims, he was with the Samaritans (which is a free helpline, manned by volunteer workers, for anybody who needs somebody to talk to), he would have to undergo several training sessions & a lot of guidance. The whole thing doesn't add up though. If he was with the Samaritans, it would involve talking to people who are suicidal, have drug addiction problems, mental health problems, relationship & sexual problems, criminals, all kinds of problems, & offering sympathy & neutral advice, not preachy or moralistic judgements. Notice the website says "a natural ability to listen and remain open-minded is essential". Doesn't sound like the Bugler we know & love. weaseLOId~ 18:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Hallmarks of any liar.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 18:18, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Watch for Obama's new flag

Comming soon to a Conservative web page near you. [5]Seriously, I"m wondering if this "new flag" issue will be spotted by CP and posted! Damn that Obama for destroying our lovely US flag, anyhow! Next thing you'll be telling me is there will be 50 flags for 50 states...--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 10:22, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

They'll need a few extra flags for the 57 states Obama allegedly believes there are. :-) weaseLOId~ 10:37, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I feel like photoshopping him standing in front of a pakinstani flag or a US flag with aribic styled writing (preferably arabic that's readable and would tranlate into something special) and see the Obama-smearers go ape shit over it. ArmondikoVd hominem 10:44, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I'd rather see Palin photoshopped into an ad for "The Devil Wears Prada"... --SpinyNorman 10:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Oooh, good one. ArmondikoVd hominem 11:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I wanted to submit it to the Obama page, but I don't have any socks to use. "gosh, have you all seen how low he (Obama) will go? He's got his own flag". hehe--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 11:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## "Schlafly Gambit"

Er, the loony-wiki being referred to is http://www.wiki4cam.org/ . I'm sure they'd appreciate any editing help that RWers feel like providing. Pseudomonas 10:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Lay Scientist had a brief sojourn here so probably picked up the term here. Also several editors from here have popped over to Wiki4Cam but it seems pretty quiet. Генгисmarauding 11:26, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, Wiki4CAM seems dead. It's the only place where non-stub articles are even shorter than CP. But the "schlafly gambit" term seems interesting. Does it apply to RW though as the mission isn't about replacing or usurping the infomation on Wikipedia. ArmondikoVd hominem 11:30, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I think of this as a wiki for chat and lolz and general discussion, not really a "like wikipedia, only better" job. Pseudomonas 12:01, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Cheap Lulz

I'm not usually a fan of the easy vandalism, but I can't help but chuckle a little over this incredibly helpful warning. Is that one of us? Free Penguin if it is. SirChuckBCall the FBI 12:33, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Damn, wish I could take credit. PenguinLustGive me herring or give me death 13:25, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Really Cheap Lulz

Hard to resist when he makes it so easy. If they don't leave his Bugle alone and keep teasing it, it's likely to get irritated though, and nobody like an irritated Bugle. --SpinyNorman 13:14, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I hear that can be cleared up with a penicillan shot. SirChuckBCall the FBI 13:23, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Lulz, amazing. He even ridicules the abuse desk. So now he's making fun of it all, knowing nobody will do anything about it. This will be great. NorsemanWassail! 13:47, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Only Conservapedia...

could talk about Female Genital Mutilation, without actually mentioning the genitals.

And cp:Circumcision only grudgingly refers to the penis. Really, how prudish can they be? --PsyGremlinWhut? 14:05, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Shhhh. Let him establish himself, then we can bask in the lulz... He seems destined for sysop.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 14:08, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

...could try to make Female Genital Mutilation more FF, a.k.a., family-friendly. --LArron 14:29, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

"Lets not beat about the bush" !! awesome Bugler.
Genius at work. --SpinyNorman 15:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Some Movies Andy Might Like

Off the top of my head, two movies come to mind in which innocent people are victims of drug-crazed individuals- Last House on the Left, and the upcoming Max Payne. -Lardashe

Lardashe, you deny liberal bias in stereotypical fashion. It doesn't matter that drugs are portrayed in a negative light, the fact that they mention drugs at all means they obviously promote Hollywood values. --Toiretni 15:44, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I wonder what Andy would make of "Requiem for a Dream"? If any movie is anti-drugs, it's that one. --PsyGremlinWhut? 15:54, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
The trick here that Andy Baby is playing is quite good. He specfically asks for a sympathetic character. So if I were to bring up say.... Death Wish, where whacked out hippies attack Charles Bronson's family, he can come back and say that his character isn't sympathetic. Ps, Forest Gump (Jenny) SirChuckBCall the FBI 15:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm gonna let others do my job. Also, off the top of my head, Narc (didn't see completely, maybe I'm wrong), Dude where's my car (though you can argue that it implies drugs are funny), Forest Gump (gasp!), at least one episode of Dr. House, all those cop series, etc. NightFlare The odds against a [particular] Muslim converting to Christianity are less than 100 to 1, as far fewer less than 1% of the over 1 billion Muslims convert to Christianity each year.[1] 16:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
And oh yeah, assuming that television counts in Andy's universal declaration of hollywood, I would like to add Full House, California Dreams (3 EPISODES, drinking, smoking and anabolic steroids. They also did an episode about not going enviromental to the extreme) Home Improvment, Both Cosby Shows, Fresh Prince of Bel Air and just about every other family sitcom every created. So Andy, sit on it and rotate. SirChuckBCall the FBI 16:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I started to say something there, but i'm a leftist hippy and would have been booted. but POT IS NOT A GATE WAY DRUG any more than alcohol or super stinky cheese is. Addictions are addictions. alcohol is far more dangerous to your body and to others around you then pot is, any day. but it's legal cause -- well, wine you know.--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 16:13, 23 October 2008 (EDT) ps, love the "sit on it and rotate" line.
I can quit super stinky cheese any time I want, shut up! --Kels 20:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I first heard it on Kelsey Grammer's movie Down Parascope (very funny movie. Complete with Karajou playing the EX-O) As to your other complaint, find some of the history of the criminalization of marajuana. I'm not one to fall into conspiracy theories, but Pot was essentially made illegal to protect the business interests of the lumber industry. I also agree with you on disagreeing about that whole gateway nonsense. Saying that someone tries pot and then they want Heroin is stupid on it's face. And yes, if you support the decriminalization of marajuana, you are a DAMNED DIRTY HIPPIE SirChuckBCall the FBI 16:22, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I've always wondered if teh fact that it is quite easy to grow (vs., the labor necessary to make decent wine or tobacco) means the govt wouldn't make any money on it or have any control over it. poor little govt. ;-)--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 16:56, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Re:Andy's challenge. It strikes me that he is frantically searching for a specific situation that hasn't already been given by BenHur's list, just so he can say 'haha, you didn't give me precisely what I asked for, so I win' (although Trainspotting really qualifies as what he asked for, just not by Andy's standards). It doesn't occur to him that, to anyone with half a brain, it is fairly obvious that is what he's doing. Zmidponk 17:03, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Seeing as how it was Evangelist Values and turns into proving him wrong about Hollywood Values and drugs, he succeeded in trolling away from the subject. I'd like to see someone just sit there and tell him he's wrong after he jumps through hoops to provide evidence. They'd get banned. NorsemanWassail! 17:34, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I don't think Andy jumps through hoops to provide evidence; he just falls back on the "I don't know what I'm talking about but I'm sure I'm right & I won't back down" line. It's the people who argue against him who have to all the work of finding facts & examples & references, which he then just ignores or dismisses without any consideration at all. Arguing against Andy is usually just a frustrating waste of time. weaseLOId~ 12:32, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

What strikes me as particularly amusing about this is that Andy must only watch heavy drug movies in which drugs are really cool and everyone does really well, going on to have sex with hot women, drive fast cars, be super healthy and become hugely successful. What are those movies? I want to see them?!! What weird viewing habits he must have. DogP 20:27, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

I suspect Andy just sits around watching the American Pie movies and maybe Half Baked, and assumes that he knows all about movies. His dismissive attitude toward movies he isn't aware of betrays his ignorance. Donnie Darko? Trainspotting? Both are fairly well known now. Donnie Darko even had a stage adaptation done! -Lardashe

## RED TELEPHONE: On the Philip J. Berg Suit, Obama's Eligibility, Etc.

Dear Kenservative -

I see you're alighting, all of a sudden, on the internet conspiracy theory that Obama's not eligible to be president. How telling... perhaps... that that's your very last hope :).

The lawsuits have all been debunked: look at Yes to Democracy, and my site (one, two). Philip Berg's lawsuit against Obama is about to be dismissed on procedural grounds: he has no standing to sue, as he can allege no discrete and undifferentiated injury.

Please don't blow conspiracy theories out of proportions.-caius (historian) 17:55, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Tip: Berg is boring, you should be mining Andy Martin, no need to thank me Ken. tmtoulouse 17:58, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
As usual, Ken thinks "a lot of people look at it, so it MUST be true." By that logic, so is Star Wars: Episode Two, which is a pretty depressing thought. --Kels 18:09, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I'd like to see him explain McCain's eligibility. NorsemanWassail! 20:38, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

A very important message for Gentleman K - I. Am. A. Lawyer Intelligent Law Student. You. Are. Not. The cause of action is (1) nonjusticiable (meaning, it would violate separation of powers & prudential notions of the place of the judiciary) to investigate it, and (2) without merit. The first issue has already been ruled on in an EXACTLY analogous case (John McCain's), and the second is plain on the record (see here). Please read law, or at least read something other than WorldNetDaily, before deluding Conservapedia, and yourself. At least read the McCain case (it's linked from my site above).-caius (historian) 21:53, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Poor, persecuted Karajou

Awww, poor Karajou. Apparently, if you put an advert on the side of the bus advising people there probably is no god then obviously you hate god and everyone who believes in him. In a way, it is kind of amusing watching the nutcases squirm. You do no more than Christians do every day of the week with their Alpha Course this and Jesus loves you that, and they act like you proposed locking them all up for their delusions. I can't wait to hear how loud they squeal when we take their tax exempt status away. --JeevesMkII 20:58, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Because they are nonprofits, or because they are religious nonprofits? JazzMan 23:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Presumably because they're breaking church and state separation by openly backing candidates, usually Repubs. --Kels 23:10, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Now that's at least a reasonable answer (not that I agree or think it's correct). Jeeves sounded like he wanted to vindictively revoke the tax-exempt status of all religious non-profs (well, at least the Christians ones). JazzMan 00:45, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
An advert in a completely different continent, so he's never likely to see one in his life, to boot. --Kels 21:33, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
He's also ignored the part of the article saying that no religious groups are objecting to the ads. weaseLOId~ 08:07, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Extremely cheap lulz

This won't last long. CorryWow. We're just blowing through nap time, aren't we? 22:02, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

And that's funny how? Kalliumtalk 22:49, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
The fact that he did it over, and over, and over and said some really absurd things. Normally I don't like wandalism, but this just really struck me as funny. Immature, yes. CorryWow. We're just blowing through nap time, aren't we? 23:13, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
This effort to the same page was better. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 06:57, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
That one is brilliant, since it's not vandalism and not even parody! Kalliumtalk 10:14, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## AMES!!!! Ames, it's for you!

And Ken, the answer you're looking for--why doesn't he just produce the birth certificate?--is: He's a natural-born US citizen, and one of the few good things left in this country is that he's innocent until proven guilty. So just because some guy off the street makes up allegations, doesn't mean Obama has to dignify them. PFoster 22:47, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
I am sure that when Obama became a senator he had to be properly vetted. Also, I am sure he would have to be a citizen in order to get passport (and I dont think they would have been fooled by a phoney birth certificate) not to mention that if Obama had to get "special scholarships" as Andy puts it then he would need proof of ID right? Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 22:49, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Ken: HE HAS DISCLOSED HIS CoLB!!!! Thanks for taking a message, guys ;-)-caius (historian) 22:52, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

Shorter Ken: "I don't understand politics or law. Allow me to demonstrate." --Kels 22:54, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

what is CoLB? Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 22:57, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Certificate of Live Birth. The sites that have been following this, like yestodemocracy.com, have taken to using those acronyms... sorry for using them without explanation :)-caius (historian) 22:59, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
yeah, sorry, just clicked as I read that. I wonder if Ken has one? Can he prove he is a US citizen? Would they give him one even as I am sure Ken came from an egg. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:01, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
On the election, here in the land down under you can bet on the election. Currently Obama $1.06, McCain$8.50 [6]. McCain is finished and this latest round on the "birth-certificate controversy" is straw clutching. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 23:07, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Down here in NZ (thats right Pi - you horrible aussie!) everyone has basically picked Obama to win. Another thing, I found the timing of McCains POW video release interesting. It suddenly appeared 40 yrs later but 2 weeks before the election? Hmmm...Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 23:11, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
McCain was a POW? I didn't know that! I mean seriously, he hardly ever brings it up. --Kels 23:14, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Actually I think the betting has picked every Aus and US election for the last 20 years. (Shouldn't you be working I should?) - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 23:13, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Here is some stuff on that. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 23:16, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
This seems to be the central issue. Nope. The central issue is: private citizens don't get to ask people to show them their birth certificates. who is this guy to make such a demand? PFoster 23:30, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
This reminds me of Andy saying he wants Dawkins to contact him personally to prove his professorship. Just a desperate, last-ditch clinging to ideology that does more harm than admitting defeat. -1 points to IQ! NorsemanWassail! 23:36, 23 October 2008 (EDT)
Ken. Someone else here already gave you the link.-caius (historian) 23:57, 23 October 2008 (EDT)

## Idiot

Here is the latest from CP's resident movie buff. The idiocy is maddening. For a start, when presented with a movie he claimed didn't exist, he focuses on the success of said movie. Then he bizzarely claims that viewership is directly proportional to the cost of the movie. The piece de resistance, Andy the alleged lawyer claims the the jails are full of poor helpless innocent people who have been locked up thanks to fabrications made by drug addled miscreants in the witness box. Imbicile.-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 00:06, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

What a fucking idiot. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 00:20, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Er... \$5 million is a college film project budget? Wtf? Also: There've been widely-seen college films... Evil Dead for example. :/ Barikada 10:02, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
He needs to learn that IMDB also provides some other correlation tools to determine the popularity of a movie. Such as the ranking, as well as how many people have voted on it. Trainspotting has 113K votes cast so far. It's in the top 250. His reliance on budget is bizarre. I've never heard anyone pay any attention to the cost of making a movie in this way.-Lardashe
Well, since he was asking for examples of drug-related Hollywood films, he kindof has a point in terms of the budget, although skipping the more obvious point that it's a British film anyway. But then again, Schlafly's / Conservapedia's definition of Hollywood usually seems to be the entire entertainment industry worldwide weaseLOId~ 11:36, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
There seems little point arguing with Assfly about anything. He constantly redefines his terms, refuses to answer questions and inserts sidetracking non sequiturs in to the discussion whenever it seems he is losing. We already know that the British film industry is afflicted with "Hollywood values" from the earlier Harry Potter pub stabbing incident, and indeed many people listed in the Hollywood values article have (or had, as the case may be) never been to Hollywood in their lives or indeed ever worked in the film industry. The crux of the idea is that people in the entertainment industry are immoral, anything else he adds is just semantic sugar. Now anyone with half a brain can see the idea is entirely risible. It is clear Assfly can't distinguish between the greater media coverage celebrities receive vs. the population at large and celebrities actually committing crimes at a higher rate than the general populous. What I can't work out is if he is just a complete idiot who has been brought up to accept this crap unquestioningly, or if he is simply lying to promote his ideology. --JeevesMkII 12:10, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
That's the problem with dealing with this nitwit. Is he just too stupid to understand his own drivel and the arguments against it, or is he a deceitful demagogue who knowingly pushes this nonsense in order to further his ideology? Should we pity him, or hope he falls under a bus?-- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 12:58, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
I'm starting to wonder if Aschlafly is a parodist himself. Pseudomonas 13:10, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Puritandy

Apparently Andy is jealous of Lyin' Ed's award, and wants to show him up. You've got to admit, from getting the title of the movie wrong, to supporting an obvious parodist, to utterly ignoring each and every description of what occurs in the movie given to him, it's quite breathtaking in its supreme idiocy. --Kels 21:58, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Andy doesn't need to see no goddam movie to know what's goin' on in that movie! He can IMAGINIFY what the movie is like, using his BRAINZ. DogP 23:12, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm just readin' Bill Bryson's Shakespeare and it struck me how Andy's demonisation of Hellywood is analogous to the Puritan's blaming of society's ills on the theatre;
 “”It was also an age that gave rise to the Puritans, a people so averse to sensual plaeasure that they would rather live in a distant wilderness in the New World than embrace tolerance. Puritans detested the theatre and tended to blame every natural calamity, including a rare but startling earthquake in 1580, on the playhouses. They considered theatres, with their lascivious puns and unnatural cross-dressing, a natural haunt for prostitutes and shady characters, a breeding ground of infectious diseases, a distraction from worship, and a source of unhealthy sexual excitement.
Генгисmarauding 08:23, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Speaking as a student of drama... I'm very disappointed that this tradition seems to have lapsed in the intervening centuries. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 08:35, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

I think you're onto something GK. Neoconservatives are basically the successors of the Puritans in terms of moralistic demonising. Another example is Ady's whole schtick that the real victims of drugs aren't the people who get mixed up in them or their families, but innocent strangers who apparently get attacked & victimised by evil drug users. weaseLOId~ 10:27, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

## Latest garbage

Soooooo Obama is a socialist according to CP's "proof" which, funnily enough, is proven through a blog from my home country!. A very trustworthy source - a New Zealand blogger. Nit wits. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 01:35, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

You have to admit, Ace, we are the experts on socialism. Us and Scandinavia. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 02:45, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
It works fine in NZ. Though its not "socialism" per se. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 03:03, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
By American standards, we're filthy godless commies, and you know it. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 03:08, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
But of course, this election we have the choice between left and slighty less left. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 03:16, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
By "American" standards everyone's a godless, commie, heathen scumbag. It's interesting to see an election choice between left and less-left rather than right and even-more-right. ArmondikoVd hominem 05:55, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Yes, even us other Americans... Kalliumtalk 10:17, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Don't you all have manditory voting? Why, thats, thats, thats out right undemocratic. ;-)--En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 10:59, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Nope, that's the 'roo-rooters. Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 11:34, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

There was a great video I saw (on youtube maybe) and I wish for the life of me I could remember the title.. But this guy went to a Republican rally and interviewed people screaming about Barack Obama being a Socialist. Then he asked them what is a socialist? what do they beleive in? And NOBODY could answer him. They just sat there with a blank look their face and looked stupid. I decided to repeat the experiment at work and asked a Conservative coworker. The only think she could come up with was "They wanna take away rights." I couldn't understand it at first, but now it makes sense.... When they call him a Socialist, what they're really doing is using an unfamilar term that most people will automatically associate with Communist. Is this really the best they have? SirChuckBCall the FBI 11:36, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
...yes? Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 11:38, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Bugler's Last Stand

I think the time is coming. The one user who's been acused above all others as being a parodist writes the article on "Internet Parodist", complete with a redlink to Poe's Law. He's done some amazing text-based gymnastics to bias the entire concept in CP's favour though, give him a beer for that whether he's for real or otherwise. He missed out the fact that you can't parody more liberal beliefs because there's less to parody (Affirmative action and related viewpoints are easy ones to mock, though). ArmondikoVd hominem 05:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Actually Bugler didn't write the article although he commented on the talkpage. I am starting to believe Bugler might be genuine. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 06:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
I am starting to suspect of everyone claiming that Bugler is genuine. Editor at CPOh, Finland! Why? 07:03, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Ah, I have been confused between talk and articles when I clicked on History and saw his name as the first contributer! Either way, something is up with that article, I can smell it. ArmondikoVd hominem 07:05, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Ungtss has been on there since well before the time of my last sock. I don't really recall ever encountering him. Although this post most certainly indicates he is not cut from the CP mold. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 07:39, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Also seems to have edited at RationalWiki for a few days back in February (assuming it's the same guy). weaseLOId~ 08:47, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
With this edit, Ungtss is laying his cards on the table for all to see. --PsyGremlinWhut? 12:07, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Bugler knows he's untouchable already, unlike folks such as GregLarson who acted genuine enough but were ostracized by Andy under nothing more than an iota of suspicion. Bugler outright lies, admits it, then mocks abuse reports, and even flaunts it with his comments to the articles pertaining to his supposed PhD and parody... and nobody stops him because they can't. Pure genius at work! NorsemanWassail! 12:13, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Bugler really is a remarkable fellow. For a parodist to get in as an admin is quite the achievement. Ungtss 12:24, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

(undent)

Does anyone have an idea what Bugler's up to with his proposed deletion of the old British Royal Family article, and block of the author for being a "Simpleton Parodist"? --SpinyNorman 13:11, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm up against Poe's Law here - the article is inane, even by CP standards, but whether this is parody of just CP being CP is difficult to tell. Silver Sloth 13:15, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, take that back. Confusing the TV show 'The Royal Family' with the parasites at the end of the Mall and calling Charlie the head of the Welsh royal family is indeed the work of a parodist. Bugler's called this one right. Silver Sloth 13:30, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
It is a stupid joke article. For anyone who doesn't know, the TV show it's referring to is a comedy called The Royle Family (not Royal), about a northern working class family of slobs. weaseLOId~ 13:50, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Shorter Bungler: "I'm a parodist, and it's hilarious nobody can do anything about it." --Kels 14:47, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Criminal Behavior

Karajou posted an item blaming Obama supporters for a couple of nefarious crimes. Someone who's socky at CP should go point out that the story of the ATM attackee is dubious at best (not even Michelle Malkin believes it), and the Florida dude whose front window got hit with a B.B. or two has no proof whatsoever that Obamaniacs had anything at all to do with it other than, you know, everybody loves me so what else could it be?--WJThomas 13:46, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Be Careful What You Ask For

I noticed the CP News headline stating that "Prayer requests and church bulletins could have been subject to lawsuits by those who were offended; fortunately the Florida Supreme Court had a case of common sense.". The article was about a privacy lawsuit brought by a Jewish woman after her Jews-for-Jesus relative publicly posted a story about what he considered her conversion to Christ based on a single prayer they said together. In her view, this was a public "outing" of a very personal moment, done without her permission, and puts her standing in the Jewish community by her in question. If I read it right, the court found otherwise based on freedom-of-speech principles, and CP held this up as a good thing because it kept limits from being placed on whatever a religious group feels like stating in the expression of their faith. All I can say to that is that it may be time for concerned citizens to pony up and pay for Mass dedications and classified ads praying for Ken DeMeyer to overcome his obsession with homosexuality, because it saddens those who wish him well, and we are praying for him to find the strength to break free of this all-consuming obsession. Some public prayers for Andy to overcome his condescension of his female students may be appropriate as well. --SpinyNorman 14:12, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## McCain supporter lies about attack

A woman who claimed a black man beat her and carved a 'B' into her cheek in response to her 'McCain' bumper sticker admits she made the whole thing up. I'm sure CP will somehow call this a liberal deception, if they mention it at all. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/24/mccain-campaign-volunteer-admits-alleged-attack-hoax/

She's one of those former Hillary supporters that McCain has managed to convert. Even though she supports McCain she's still a filthy liberal and can't be trusted. Stile4aly 15:14, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
No trying to coach Bugler, our favorite parodist does great without us feeding him lines and rationalizations :) --BoredCPer 18:47, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
DeanS made it clear, nothing but pro-conservative and con-liberal news items. Of course, he and probably all the others who can fix the news item will drag their lazy ass feet and knuckles for a few days before changing it, following an archiving shortly thereafter. NorsemanWassail! 15:49, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
"When Ms. Todd initially contacted us claiming to have been attacked, our first reaction was obviously to be concerned for her safety," said Ashley Barbera in a statement. "We are as upset as anyone to learn of her deceit. Ashley must take full responsibility for her actions."

but... only liberals can do deceits! Wazza (Not Wazzock, Wazza)Approach the Presence 22:22, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Extra spaces

Why are there extra spaces between some of the entries in the "End EZ edit section"? OneForLogic 17:17, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Probably bad habits to those who make a space between talk page posts. Like I just did. :D NorsemanWassail! 17:56, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Apparently its an artifact of the bot move from "EZ edit ..." to "End ...", It has been mentioned somewhere. If it offends you, pluck it out! CaycePattern 18:44, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## It was a BOOK! You fucking freaks!

What strikes me most about this "Hollywood values drug promoting scum" malarky is the none of CP's intellects have actually considered that these movies (be it Trainspotting or Forrest Gump) are based on BOOKS!! Not some hollywood values afflicted flunky sitting in his LA apartment smoking crack and beating his girlfriend. The movies makers, while they can take some artistic license, are creating a script based on someone elses views. This can, of course, be spun by CP's resident genuis Aschlafly to mean that hollywood types pick liberal books but that is not the point. It may as well be "Author Values". Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:20, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

In fairness, Bugler does say in the Trainspotting article that it was based on Welsh's novel. Fretfulporpentine 17:35, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
In that case it should be "Irvine Welsh Values". And Bugler doesnt count because he is a filthy parodist. Ace McWickedThe Liquid Room 17:37, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh come on, it's a completely MADE UP TERM (like "Cake is a made-up drug") regardless so why complain!! 91.105.80.19 17:50, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Socks before shoes! We'll get to Random House Values later. CorryWow. We're just blowing through nap time, aren't we? 21:00, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Anti-american

It's not wgoi worthy, but they sure do take up "talking points" quickly, don't they. "You are correct, the liberal agenda sources, let me rephrase, anti-American sources are no good. While we cite NYT and WaPo sometimes, we avoid liberal hate site like Huffington and Daily Kos." (end post of Talk: torture [7]) I don't know how to link to specific posts within a page. --En attendant Godot"«I don't think in any language. I think in images. V.Nabokov» 17:57, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

Here you go, you cute little Mowse. :3 NorsemanWassail! 18:34, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Look at that, parodist compliments parodist... How adorable SirChuckBCall the FBI 22:25, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## Namecalling

I find great amusement in that Aschlafly's 5-year block of ChrisN (in WIGO) was made due to "Liberal namecalling", with a capital L. It's not even subtle irony! Kalliumtalk 18:16, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

## "I was sorry to miss 'Black Week' in class, lol."

What the hell is that all about? PFoster 20:16, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

You tell us. You obviously know everything and are always right. CaycePattern 20:43, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Whatever. If you're waiting for me to rise to the bait, it won't happen. Peace. PFoster 20:46, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
No bait. mere statement of apparent fact. CaycePattern 20:49, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm guessing Black Week looked something like this. Mammy!!

I will buy a beer for anyone who can photoshop our Andy picture to look like that. PFoster 21:53, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Throw in a free penguin from me and I also want to point out that the moral of the story is...... Never let Whoppi Goldberg write your material SirChuckBCall the FBI 22:28, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

The students all (mostly) wore black to his class. He had nothing to do with it. --CPAdmin1 23:01, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

And "Black Week,lol" had NOTHING to do with the recent lectures being on slavery, the Civil War, Reconstruction, the KKK, etc? And isn't kids dressed all in black one of Andy's "public school"/school shootings boogiemen? PFoster 23:14, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
CPadmin1, I'm unconvinced - especially because StevenM has a history of writing some pretty incoherently racist/insensitive stuff. Remember when he claimed that the Fourteenth Amendment was the worst thing to come out of the Civil War, because it just enslaved the states to Congress? Wowzers.-caius (historian) 01:20, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
Did Andy say that Steve can subit work even though he has begun marking? Why shouldn't he just find the best answers and copy them? - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 03:20, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
Well, that's certainly the Conservative way! --Kels 09:52, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
StevenM is the guy who believes that witchcraft is real and reading a Harry Potter novel is the first step to damnation. If that was all we had to go on, I'd say he was a definite parodist, but it sounds like he's a real kid in Andy's class, which is a much scarier prospect. weaseLOId~ 12:01, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Someone tell me Jpatt is a parodist. Please. My faith in humanity is at stake, here. --Kels 22:49, 24 October 2008 (EDT)

The worst part--how wrong he is. There are lots of AI and HRW reports that call out the people he mentions in his post. He's not a parodist. He's a moron. PFoster 22:52, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Oh, that's a relief. I can handle him being a total, paranoid moron who's barely able to function in society. No wonder he's an admin. --Kels 23:48, 24 October 2008 (EDT)
Jpratt was talking to himself the other day about us [8] [9]. I think he is more likely to be a parodist than Bugler. - User ${\displaystyle \scriptstyle h/2\hbar }$ 03:24, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
A look at his early editing history and the logs of him being blocked should answer that question. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:58, 25 October 2008 (EDT)
Jinx, who can always spot a parodist, unblocked him twice. Nice work Jinx hi Jinx!. 09:34, 25 October 2008 (EDT)~

## Perfect Score!

DuncanB earns full marks from Andypants. Teachers (and the sensitive) might want to be careful before reading this. --PsyGremlinWhut? 08:58, 25 October 2008 (EDT)

Oh dear. Can we have at least one five paragraph essay before Christmas? At least one assignment that relies on analysis of a primary source that is not a cartoon? At least one assignment that requires using or even drawing a map? I really hope most of these kids are 13 and will get another US History class before they graduate high school. I really, really hope that none of them plan to take the AP exam. --Too tired to log in 09:13, 25 October 2008 (EDT)