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Andy hates smoking[edit]


I love the the reference

Ace McWicked 23:06, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Am I the only one who thinks that parable is about just being an asshole? 00:40, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Nope. If I was third in line I'd give the poor schmuck a dime and kick Andy in the nuts for being a jerk. Surely it was teh assfly who pulled a Puritan on the needy smoker...? PS, Andy, I'd kick you in the scrotorater hard enough to give you breast cancer! Yup, you'd be a star. humanUser talk:Human 00:49, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
PS, Andy, fix that awful "may or may have happened", you tool. humanUser talk:Human 00:50, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Someone should explain to Andy baby the difference between a parable and an anecdote. A parable is a short story, which reflects the moral a speaker is trying to get through. For example, if I'm giving a lesson about not doing drugs, and I tell a story about a drug addict overdosing, I'm telling a parable (even this is a borderline example) If I randomly pull a story out of my ass about this time I denied a guy some change to be a moral bastard, I'm telling an anecdote. No charge for the lesson Andy. SirChuckBCall the FBI 02:31, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Isn't the parable here that big government (the guy in the queue) knows best and by working against the smokers 'right' to smoke is actually helping him. Sounds dangerously liberal to me. Silver Sloth 04:16, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Folks, we're not fooled by your See the Conservapedia article on liberal.
mockery (see #25 of See the Conservapedia article on Liberal Style.

) here. Go look up parable in a dictionary instead of the liberally biased Wikipedia. This parable is about the See the Conservapedia article on liberal.

censorship of the positive effects of guns on society. The smoker went to the next store and tried to do See the Conservapedia article on liberal theft.

, but the store owner pulled his gun and shot him. This shows how the defensive use of firearms weakens the liberal tobacco industry and improves the nation's average health. --Sid 05:34, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

So... was his message to stop smoking effective? No. Was his desire to decrease smoking in general a liberal desire? Yes. Therefore, Andy is a closet liberal who is self-hating because of his ineffectual efforts. -Lardashe

Maybe we need a new article - Conservapedia:Schlafly Parable. "I was driving down the highway and someone wanted to change into my lane. I saw they had a Hilary 08 bumper sticker so I ran them off the road. You're welcome!" (may or may have happened). BeastmasterGeneral 10:06, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I just spit my coffee on my monitor at the thought of Andy running a guy off the road, and yelling "Godspeed!" as he takes off...--SpinyNorman 10:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Does this make Andy's Dinner-as-a-reference[1] a parable?--SpinyNorman 10:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Anniv. issues, re wigo, etc[edit]

Lots of work to get done. Make sure email and backchannel.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --If it looks like a donut... 23:07, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

Phase 4 is almost ready for first-round testing, in implementation with all other exploits to test for compatibility. See you there. humanUser talk:Human 00:19, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Mathter! Mathter![edit]

Ken adjusts his hump and lurches after Andy, spouting more nonsense about how high his Google on his PC ranks his "article" and something about Ivy league professors... forgetting that because of Professor Values Andystein might not be that impressed... [2]

"Some guy asked another guy to look at the article, and the guy liked it!" ROFL I Need Sleep 02:27, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
This is indeed more important news than we have ever seen posted before my trusty Egor. Wait for the next lightening strike and we will surely reach an even higher Google rank. More power. Mooooorrrrreeee pooooweeeeerrrrrr.....
This is good. It means that more people across the world are laughing their head off at this very moment than they would have if Conservapedia was a poor little obscure site. -The Almighty Tuna 04:00, 9 May 2008 (EDT)


For those of us who are uninitiated into wiki mechanics, someone care to explain what happened? RyanC 06:22, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

As a matter of fact... nothing. Negative block lengths do nothing at all, and the actual problem was simply that he hadn't had edit rights - but that changed quickly enough. --Sid 07:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes, I had wondered about that, if negative block lengths can break a wiki. It's a pity they can't, 'cause that would've been priceless. Decimals in block lengths, however, are another story [3] [4]. : ( --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:11, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I never have a problem with locking my keys in the car. Except, of course, when the remote lock thing malfunctions in the car while I'm outside of the car for a minute. Whenever I leave my keys in the car now, I always leave enough window space for my hands to fit through. (real life equivalent of space needed: ======================== ) +_+ Fuzzy|AfD 17:04, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Andy is a slimey lying, self promoting little bitch[edit]

OK, this [5] takes the cake. The man is a completely inept used car salesman and not in any good way either. I didn't want to be so frank on WIGO but I'm just saying . . . I actually used my own name in vain when I read this. The man's imagined audience must be a boatload of imbeciles. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:13, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh he's all that and more. I used to think CP was just funny but the more I saw of it I started to find it quite depressing. There are actually some really unpleasent people there. As for the article count I forget the exact details but I think it was something to do with promissing to make someone a new sysop when they reached a certain article count. All the "size doesn't matter" nonsense is just a smoke screen (and of course a lie!) RedDog 07:31, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Thanks to Ed Poop the number of articles went down as he encouraged amalgamation of other people's short articles into one (never his own of course). Learn together got made a sysop but I don't know how that fitted in with the 25000 article mark. Actually if you filter the article list for essays, debates, indexes, lists of terms, duplication (differences in case) spelling mistakes etc. you can get rid of another 1000 pages or so. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 08:18, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
But we got another precious Assfly statistic: "fewer than 20,000 entries, and perhaps fewer than 10,000 entries, are of any value to 99% of visitors". How's that for twisted syntax? He must do this just to amuse us. Rational Edperception 09:05, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
It is just so disrespectful and dismissive of his audience. Basically a post like that says I will tell the most ridiculous lies and make up wildly inconsistent excuses and I expect you to swallow it. If you don't I'll call you names and block you The man is a complete belly button worshiping coward. No wonder he ran from Wikipedia crying. Totally ridiculous BS doesn't always fly there. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:13, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
On the stats, Noah apparently only had room for 10,000 distinct topics on the arc. All the rest of them drowned. It is ashamed that some 9,999 of those topics were ship names. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:15, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
The last article was how to be a dick while in line at the 7-11. BeastmasterGeneral 09:48, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah that's what I thought too. He actually created an article that amounts to "Guess what I said to some guy in the 7-11 while waiting in line." Blatent bloggery! RedDog 10:02, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Teh Assfly should consider sending it to Reader's Digest. Rational Edperception 10:08, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Seriously question. Do you think the guy actually has delusions of being a prophet from god? Or messiah??? He certainly acts like it. RedDog 10:28, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

No. He just finds it necessary to puff himself up (and/or tear others down) to feel less like the underachieving putz that he is.--WJThomas 11:15, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I lol'd. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:17, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, thanks. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 04:46, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I missed the 7-11 story. My blood pressure is dangerously near normal, can I get a link to drive it up a bit. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 13:42, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
[6] check the talk page too. BeastmasterGeneral 14:29, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I love how Andy preens at every opportunity. Andy, your suspicions are correct. Mommy loves your gay brother more . . . 21:23, 9 May 2008 (EDT)


Misuse of science[edit]

Another quality article from Ed, complete with no categorisation, a formatting error in the first sentence and an amusing "Darwin and Hitler" redlink (someone's going to get ideas). My favourite part, however, is that part of what could be the article and a "reference" have spilled into the talk page. 10:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Ben Stein's relatives haven't seen a scientist in 50 years? BeastmasterGeneral 11:02, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
This is classic Ed. It looks like he's created the entire article as a Rube Goldberg way of responding to why he feels Ben Stein's page should not contain his quotes about science leading to killing. What I particularly like is the way he's using this as a platform for assigning homework to a certain miscreant who shall go nameless. ;-) --SpinyNorman 11:15, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
It looks like Smeg Ed has pulled the plug on you over there and burned the evidence. Psygremlin 12:28, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I was surprised it took as long as it did to earn another block, but you know you've made a point when he erases the discussion thread and re-re-names the Talk page topic to remove the censorship accusation. --SpinyNorman 12:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Ahhh, how predictable... 12:44, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

But Ed's first version was better. Nice and concise, well-referenced, a classic Ed effort. GNUSMAS : TALK 12:48, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Trouble brewing - PJR restored the original "Censorship Complaint" title and the last rebuttal to Ed because they were civil even though he doesn't endorse them, so Ed's response ought to be interesting.--SpinyNorman 13:15, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm mostly amused by the fact that even though the comment was considered reasonable enough to reinstate, it seems the user wasn't. --Kels 18:50, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Feebasfactor's getting in on the action as well. 18:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Holy crap she's back![edit]

That woman who begged for her article to be removed because her husband told her to do so came back, single. :O

I only note this because Andy creepily jumps all over her (see her talk page too). Yikes... Glad I'm Not Deluded 13:50, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I think she's a RW sock, my bunchanumbers brother.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:57, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
She's been "back". Where YOU been? I see she skipped Schlafly's "offer" to teech her chil'ren. Diplomatic sock, what? CЯacke® 14:34, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
That breast cancer stuff is just solid, concrete logic right there.Shangrala 15:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I've to to say I think I smell a sock. But Andy really needs to stop drooling, I've just had my dinner and this is a new carpet. If this turns out to be someone here at RW then, Sir/Madam, you have my deep, deep respect. RedDog 15:17, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
$5 says she gets edit rights before Helpjazz. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 15:26, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
That's an even-money bet right there. Ames would probably get edit rights beforeHelpjazz. Psygremlin 15:31, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
=_= UchihaKATON! 15:52, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
=_= Seconded. Didn't notice she wasn't really "gone", but her obedience thing (parodist or not) creeps me out nevertheless. Bunchanumbers Brother 20:49, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Hardly the most obvious redirect[edit]

Huh? DogP 14:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Check out the website they copied the source they used-Shangrala 15:10, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
A disambiguation page would have made more sense. humanUser talk:Human 15:32, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Speaking of dumb and dumber, check out WP:Propane and WP:Liquefied petroleum gas sometime. I'm beginning to notice more random duplication (and some really weird redirects) of late. I think WP is imploding because people still want to edit, but they don't know anything that's not already there. OK, that was totally off topic. Someone should tell teh assfly so he can add it to cp:Examples of Redundancy on Wikipedia and cp:Bizarre Links and Redirects on Wikipedia. humanUser talk:Human 15:34, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
The appropriate thing to do, of course, is to keep these sekret and use deep cover socks to create articles to link to them. Thus, when any well meaning conservative goes in and starts reading about a panic attack related to cp:anxiety and finds themselves ending up a page about a bank run, they will think that the site is administrated by a bunch of idiots. Whats more, is since Andy hates the disambig page and creating redirects is limited to sysops (otherwise you get chastised) this won't get fixed. Ever. --Shagie 16:28, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Stick to an abacus, Ed[edit]

Somebody want to sock up and explain to Smeg Ed the difference between an application and a program? [7] Isn't it wonderful when he parades his ignorance without us having to point it out. (Um... there is a difference, right?) Psygremlin 14:55, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

"A programmer is one whose job that involves programming a computer."??? What the silly heck does that mean??— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 14:59, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
It means Ed just failed English. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:01, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Ed should give his sysopship to Deborah for leaving so much behind to clean up. Rational Edperception 15:12, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Andy's going to...[edit]

...repeat the environmentalist joke a bunch of times after he accuses somebody of talk polluting.

I called it first. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 17:15, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I suspect the man is on medication. Rational Edperception 17:16, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Sigh, I was SO on that, you beat me to it! Yes, this one will run and run. Five bucks to the first sock to go do some talk, talk, talk and get him to say it! DogP 17:18, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Donated on their behalf to RW, I hope :) humanUser talk:Human 19:00, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

My Personal Remark - Ed Parody[edit]

Oh, COME ON. UchihaKATON! 19:24, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I.e. when someone contradicts themselves so blatantly in such a short period of time, such a blatant example of doublethink, my psrodist (or however you spell that) senses start tingling... UchihaKATON! 23:16, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

I pointed this out before.... but the best part of Ed's "Stop Quote-Mining his Lord Stein" is that their Quote mine page, which he constantly links to, basically says Quote mining is a liberal invention intended to keep Liberals from having to face their own words.... Good old school WTF SirChuckBCall the FBI 02:39, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

More Mystery[edit]

Haha, looks like Andy just gave the game away. He has no actual theory, just smears and lies. And he knows he'd never get anywhere trying to publish it anywhere but his own blog. Coward. --Kels 21:03, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Does he really believe his readership is "larger than most journals?" Or his he only speaking of JPANDS?-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --If it looks like a donut... 21:44, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
This particular "article" and its talk page are almost the Best of CP Evah!!! Andy at his asinine, clueless worst. humanUser talk:Human 22:24, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
Free to reject logic, eh? Well, they would be if Andy presented any. --Kels 22:38, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
And where is MargeryCampbell? Leaving the fearless leader to slowly twist in the wind. CЯacke® 23:03, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

In related news, it's obvious this guy can't be the second coming of the Christ. Andy's already claimed that spot. --Kels 23:08, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

So has FernoKlump. +_+ Fuzzy|AfD 23:31, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
I don't know where this fits in, but the "foolish consistency" is NOT Oscar Wilde. Lose points. humanUser talk:Human 23:37, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

You know, looking at Assfly's retarded "mystery", it's even more bogus than I at first thought. He says that there are 500 Hollywood performers under the age of 30, and 3 have breast cancer. Actually, none of his examples are under 30. Anastacia is 35, Belinda Emmet, if she were alive, would be 34, and Minnie Ripperton, were she alive, would be over 60. So the group of cancer victims includes any Hollywood star who ever developed breast cancer by the age of 30, while the overall group of "500" only includes people who are under 30 right now. So Hollywood types born in 1947 are included as "under 30" if they developed cancer by 30, but they're removed from the equation if they didn't. Of course you're going to get skewed results if you compare two completely different demographics. Either you count only people born after 1977 (actually under 30) in which case you have 0 examples of breast cancer victims, or you include Hollywoodites going back to at least 1947 (when Riperton was born) in which case his already ridiculously low estimate of 500 is off by several orders of magnitude more than they already are. If Andy knows as much about statistics as he pretends to, he should know this, in which case he's practicing deceit. Is Andy a liberal? DickTurpis 01:03, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Andy is hence provably *fucking nuts* and I have nominated this "article" and its discussion for "BEST EVER OF CP", as if we had a such a nom. process. Teh Assfly is truly wound up on a weird wind on this one. humanUser talk:Human 01:45, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm going to go out on a limb here, but what are the chances of Margery being a sock of Andy, thus allowing him to essentially say pop stars have abortions, without having fingers pointed back at him. The "whom I do not know" phrase was a bit redundant to me. Psygremlin 02:14, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
This is a reply to Human and DickTurpis above, but I will say that's an interesting idea Psy, I think that Andy knows exactly how bad his statistics are. He falls into the major science fallacy: Your statistics or experiment should prove or disprove your hypothesis. You can't come to a conclusion and then design an experiment that proves it. Using Andy's "Logic," I could quite easily prove that the Sun revolves around the Earth, The Moon is actually in another galaxy and wearing brown shoes on Sunday can cause instant death. The truth is, he doesn't care. He knows that his crop of CPers will eat this up and he can simply rationalize (In the true sense of the word) that any dissent is Liberal objection. A perfect system SirChuckBCall the FBI 02:48, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I agree, if Andy actually thought that his stats proved something he wouldn't be so reluctant to actually explain them instead of wittering on about smoking and baseball. 18:00, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Large Families[edit]

b.t.w. have you seen this horror story on their "news" page: "Here's a mom who loves God, loves her husband, loves her family, and home-schools the kids...all 17 of them. And number 18 is just a few months away!" So to hell with the financial implications of having such a large family. Maybe we should have a whip round and buy them a TV or something? Psygremlin 07:27, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Bullshit. That's just hateful for the sake of "hating something on CP" - your middle name "Bulver"?? The family's own web site says they are debt free. There is no indication that they either want or need your donation of a TV. way I see it, there's 18 future taxpayers who will fund no-hopers through life. Why attack them? Because they have a large family? So fucking what? Because they are homeskullers? So fucking what? Fuck you, you fucking Nazi. Fox 10:57, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Make love not war.

NightFlareSpeak, mortal 11:20, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Take a breath and count to 10 Fox. And throwing around terms like "Nazi" is about the same as calling somebody racist or liberal. Please explain (in terms of Nazi Party doctrine please) what I said that classifies me as a Nazi. 1) having such a large family must put strain on their finances. Ok, so they're debt free, but at what cost? Unless he's an oil baron, they're doing what most 1 or 2 child families are struggling to do. 2) How many of those children will go on to have an education? Will they be able to pay for all 18 to go to college? 3) I made no mention, or attack of homeschooling, that was in the article 4) The TV chirp was tongue in cheek and meant that maybe they'd have something else to do in the evenings other than make the poor women into a breeding machine. 5) Actually, now that I think of it, for women to produce as many babies as possible was one of the ideals of the Nazi's, so your stupid and hateful accusation is misplaced, methinks. I don't expect an apology, but next time, think before you write. Psygremlin 11:22, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Nazi because you want to attack and destroy something that doesn't fit in with your personal culture/ideology - apparently large families of Christian humskullers are more offensive to you than large families of eg Romanies, Roman Catholics, Muslims, Asians etc. Some large families are "more equal" than others, I guess. "At what cost"... When did the bill from them to you arrive in the mail? They're not costing you and by all accounts nobody else anything. That's just a bullshit excuse to slag them off. "Education" - whose to say all of them won't go off to Harvard or Yale or even Oxford? Are you writing off their potential on the grounds of your prejudice? Again - Nazi. "TV" - yeah, right, the dumb rednecks gotta go fuck when the sun goes down and it gets dark, right? You know nothing of these people, stop labelling them with your prejudices. For all you know, they run Shakespeare study evenings. Eighteen kids does not equal "nothing else to do at night". Hell, that's like 18 shags minimum, and I'm sure most of us here have had one or two more than that. Me = stupid & hateful? Read the above again. Problem with some fucking Nazi losers is that they hate being called out for what they are. Apologise? I'd eat my own shit before I apologize to you. And my rabbi says that it ain't necessarily kosher so it ain't gonna happen. Fox 11:35, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

"Nazi because you want to attack and destroy something that doesn't fit in with your personal culture/ideology..." Andy is a Nazi? --Kels 11:38, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

This isn't about anything Andy said, its about something Psygremlin said. Do different rules apply suddenly..? 11:56, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
And you know nothing about me, but you'll go and apply labels to me? Pot, this is Kettle - you're black. But whatever. Godspeed. Psygremlin 11:39, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
You applied the labels yourself through your own bigoted comments about a family you know nothing about. Go figure, wise ass. 11:56, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
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This conversation is about to go badly downhill, inevitably ending in comparisons to Hitler, and hurt feelings all around.
Stop now. Step away from the keyboard.
Go pet a jerboa, or milk a goat.

NightFlareSpeak, mortal 11:47, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Many conversations with Fox seem to end with this template. Perhaps he needs his own version. something like: every once in a while Fox ego boils over. He goes nuts on some random editor, starts foaming at the mouth and spewing filth. Then he vandalizes their user pages. Then he makes some ridiculous and impossible personal threat. Then some peace-loving, tree-hugger RWer pastes up this template The only thing Fox forgot to do was reference his military career and the authority that apparently gives him. Perhaps we need a WIGO just for his inane temper tantrums? Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 18:08, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

I find the use of this template particularly ironic in this case, since the whole thing started with a comparison to Hitler, or at least Nazis. That is all. Carry on. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:26, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I got a perverse chuckle out of that, too. humanUser talk:Human 19:28, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Call it Schadenfruede, but I was loving every second of this. I also see both sides, but don't agree with either SirChuckBCall the FBI 19:44, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Ah well, maybe I was a bit out of line. First time I've been called a Nazi though. Now where's my Stephen Lynch CD? :) Psygremlinjust call me Adolf 01:46, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Is anyone convinced that Sheesh is not TK? Its pretty obvious that Sheesh showed up with that... Anyway, I'm with Fox on this one, having hailed from a long line of 'large' Catholic families myself. Such a snobby thing to come out with. MC86.45.198.37 21:08, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I was wondering about that myself, Marcus. Sheesh reminds me of NightTrain a little bit, and he does seem to enjoy attacking Fox for some reason. But we can't just attack people for possibly being TK -- not unless they stage an outright attack on us. The worst Sheesh does it tell bad jokes about ham. And copy from Wikipedia.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 21:13, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Agreed. Having not really supported blocking TK in the first place, I have no objection to him coming back under another name if he's not causing controversy or doing anything wrong, really (and I wouldn't call this "stirring up conflict" because it was already ongoing). TK does better "work" over on the other side anyway, from our perspective at least, and if he wants to drop by occasionally and laugh/pretend to laugh at WIGO, well I see no problem with that.
Of course, this is just a hedge-my-bets hypothetical supposition. UchihaKATON! 21:46, 11 May 2008 (EDT)


Hmmm... guess everybody else is asleep (or has a life). Just found this gem on Andy's talk page (sorry if it's been raised before) [8] "Hi Mr. Schlafly. This is Leonard G. from class. I wanted to know if I could post pictures on the article I am still working on. You can view the article hear. To which Andy (oh-he-of-impeccable-spelling) replies, "I'll give you uploading privileges now." I'd give anything to see some of the writing assignments he gets back. Psygremlin 09:16, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

You just found that? I referenced that once here, and once on CP. Homeschoolers have trouble spelling. Here's another one: [9] =_= Fuzzy|AfD 07:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Gotta Love PJR[edit]

It's fun to watch him defend his actions, a week and a half after the fact, to a user who's currently blocked. Fact is, the producers of Expelled actually were lying, and not just to Dawkins but all over the place. It's what they do. As to insulting, Phil, after all the reams of evidence you've simply tossed aside and your clinging to the Pack o' Lies edition of Information Theory (which doesn't resemble the real thing in any way), well, either you're deluded, dishonest or stupid. Take your pick, but they're accurate descriptions given the evidence, not insults. --Kels 09:48, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

PJR fascinates me. He actually seems a lot more logical than most other CP sysops (thought, granted, that's like being the sanest person in Bedlam), but he still has the creationist mindset that requires him to work backward from the predetermined conclusion. Whereas most of the others give up and accept the conclusion and deny all logic, PJR wants to rationalize his belief so much that his explanations become sprawling, complex, and ultimately absurd, all in an attempt to get back to the point which most people start from. It must be mentally exhausting to think so extremely around reality in such a desperate attempt to justify what you want to believe. --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 10:08, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Gods below, now he's doing shout-outs! Doesn't Ken have a copyright on that or something? --Kels 11:06, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
To be fair you have to understand the position that some people find themselves in. It doesn't bother me - I'm happy to be an arsehole here or there. But with respect to Philip, they know both sides are read by both sides, but posting here is akin to "sleeping with the enemy". Philip is at least communicating with people here, even if he doesn't want to be a user here. And that's his prerogative, surely? Fox 11:11, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
If he doesn't want to join here, sure. I'd say most of the internet has taken advantage of that right. =P However, he's still in the same position as Ken, in dialogue (of sorts) with people here on a site whose official position is that we don't exist. Not to mention people can and have been banned for such mentions, save that his sysopness protects him.
Oh, a further note. PJR states (correctly) that U2 is not blocked. However, if he does post anything as U2 at this point, it would be a bannable offense (as we've seen frequently in the past) because socks are against the rules. But point taken that it's only a week for the main account. --Kels 11:21, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
To be perfectly honest, I don't really care if that's a 'bannable offense'. The whole site is either a very good example of Poe's Law, or extreme ultra-conservatives are even more batshit insane than I thought. Either way, it would be no great loss to me if I got permanently banned, but I am a great believer in freedom of speech - especially if it's speech unpopular with those in charge, and even more especially if those in charge accuse their opponents of censorship, as CP has done with their rants about 'liberal censorship'. Urushnor 15:38, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

New Andy-ism: 'insight'[edit]

So, apparently after reading WIGO--Hi Andy, you cowardly liar!-- our favorite delusional sociopath and pathological liar has picked up on the term "insight" as one that can be reasonably substituted for 'groundless hate-filled opinion.' He has started sprinkling the term all over stuff he writes like fresh fertilizer. Watch out! you might step in some of Andy's insight. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 10:37, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

have you seen the updates to the Conservative Parables? WTF?? [10] The expression "has hit rock bottom and continued digging" comes to mind. Psygremlin 10:54, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
If I didn't know better, you'd almost think Andy was the greatest parodist of them all. Isn't it fabulous? I am determined to contribute some more myself! DogP 10:59, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Sort of puts a point on the phrase right wing reactionary. Perhaps we should adopt the term right wing reflexive for for this kind of immediate knee-jerk local-to-global thing that seems to be symptomatic of Andy's sociopathic nature. Let it be writtin. Let be done . . . hehehe Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 11:00, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
My favorite part of the Conservative Parables talk page is the whole "spine-tingling" exchange. Maybe he should give up on rewriting the Bible and start a series of Conservative Goosebumps books instead.--SpinyNorman 11:45, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Someone inserted a parable about prayer which Andy didn't like. -- 15:18, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
It's straight out of Reader's Digest. He'll be publishing a condensed version of the Bible soon. Rational Edperception 18:21, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Lol...I just got an image of the King Andy version of the bible: None of that sissy love thy neighbor, judge not stuff. Only good old Gay hating, crush the liberals GODLINESS AND POWER... and oh yeah, a verse about how Unisex bathrooms are NOT cool SirChuckBCall the FBI 19:52, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Speaking as someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, I felt that the parable Andy removed got it backwards—wouldn't the Protestants be the first to lose their minds and pray desperately? "Protestant work ethic" aside, Protestantism explicitly rejects the "good works are necessary for salvation" doctrine of Catholicism and asserts that faith alone is enough (or am I thinking of Calvinism?). Wouldn't Catholicism be more inclined to emphasize working out the problem? (Pre-emptive apologies for my horribly butchered understanding of Christianity.) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:40, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Coining a new pair of words[edit]

Don't know if these have been used before, but after Poor Ed's virtuoso "I'm going to revise, redact and re-block you for not supporting the project", I thought of a new adjective - "Censervative", to describe the underlying attitude. I suppose that "Censervapedia" is the inevitable follow-up. --SpinyNorman 11:55, 10 May 2008 (EDT)'

That's good, but I would vote for "Censorvative" to make the meaning a little clearer SirChuckBCall the FBI 15:32, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I like that better, too. humanUser talk:Human 19:58, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Good revision - it looks less like a Freudian Typo that way.--SpinyNorman 11:07, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm Gulik, and I support this term. --Gulik 12:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
My name is Radioactive afikomen, and I endorse this term.* --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:01, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
*Paid for by the Friends of Censorvative for inclusion in the Oxford English Dictionary.

What the Hell?[edit]

I know there's already a section about Andy and his parables, but this just came to my attention. From his references... What the hell does this have to do with anything? I mean, I understand they used it for the quote, but come on guys.... A parable and an Anecdote are two different things. Adding a moral statement to a worthless Anecdote is just that.... It won't make it a parable. SirChuckBCall the FBI 15:37, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Friggin' Poe's Law. I seriously can't tell if this is parody or not, although apparently Andy's own family is now being accused of promoting drug use or something. --Kels 15:54, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
FWIW, Schlafly Beer is big in St. Louis (Mo) USA. Cousins I think they are to the East coasters, (and Roger, getting soft and liberal in CA). CЯacke® 16:01, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Now Andy will have to activate the trapdoor under his seat. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 15:58, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I have come down to three final conslusions... 1. Andy is the best deep cover Liberal in the history of the world. 2. Andy is complete Jackass and should have be run out of the country by an angry, torch wielding mob. and 3. He has finally snapped the bounds of sanity and should be forced to undergo court ordered Psych evalution. SirChuckBCall the FBI 19:54, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

trim time[edit]

Can someone trim the earlier entries (surely half of them are from April?) before Trent gets here and resets the "timer"? Thanks. Signed, Ed Poor and Your Writing ASSignment. humanUser talk:Human 21:17, 10 May 2008 (EDT)


If anyone is socked up please head to liberal parables on CP and add a ref before it gets deleted. I was adding one myself about Nelson Mandela but KaraFuck-o blocked me. Lets see if we can get this article to stay!!! (a silly fools errand I know) Ace McWicked 02:08, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I might've made a sock just to create a 'Socialist parables' page, but that would be even less likely to survive than the liberal one. Oh well, let's hope the liberal parables page stays up for now. -The Almighty Tuna 02:21, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I know, its a silly idea. It'll never last. In my Obama style idealism I thought a well referenced article might last however I do realize that, well, its a fucking lost cause. Ace McWicked 02:24, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

someone posted a liberal parable here a while back. Something about how even staunch conservatives benefit from public education, labor unions, and what not. Can anyone point me to it? Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 09:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
What you speak of reminds me of a thing I have heard read a couple times on my commie radio, called, IIRC, "A typical day in the life of Joe Conservative" or some such. Basically every moment of his day is improved by things liberals fought or even died for. There's a counter one that follows, where he has to pay for everything he uses all day out of his own pocket, his kids work instead of go to school, etc. I'll try to find it on "teh internet" for you... humanUser talk:Human 19:14, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

And, doh, we were the FOURTH google hit on my search... humanUser talk:Human 19:17, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks [11] . Er The diff for when those that can't handle the truth make it disappear [12] [13] Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 20:10, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I have seen that Day in the Life thing. cp user Jimmy has it on his page. Nevermind though as I see crocofshit has deleted the liberal parable page anyhow. What a fcuking loser. Ace McWicked 20:49, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Political IQ[edit]

It doesn't fit too well into the WIGO entry, but how does Andy's assertion that the term "is sometimes misused by the media" make any sense if he just made it up? --Kels 11:45, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Easily. In the hypothetical scenario the liberally biased media starts using the term to say things Andy doesn't agree with, the term will have been misused. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 12:02, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
The best example is how he redefined swift-boating as:( my liberal interpretation of his silly redefinition) a way for people who had avoided a war via political connections to criticize people who had actually been there. He cast it like the liberal media misuse the term I'm going to redefine here. Again , the man 's imaginary audience is comprise of sycophantic morons, cowardly weasels, barely closeted white supremacists and devotees of the prurient disguised as devout god-botherers Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 17:10, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Breaking "News"[edit]

I know this has been discussed before... but notice that the breaking news section is quickly becomming a hijacked article. Also, what is this about? If you want to avoid reading the story, here's the short version. Three students were suspended for refusing to stand for the pledge, but the school thought the rule might be unconstitutional so they were invited back that afternoon? What is evenremotely political about that? Using Conservapedia Logic, I would say that the evil liberals are twisting free speech? THat's the best I can think of SirChuckBCall the FBI 13:00, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

What is going on at Wikipedia?[edit]

Conservapedia and the FBI make an appearance at the Miscellaneous Reference Desk. 17:20, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

That reminds me, Wikipedia has had various reverse FBI incidents. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 17:34, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Not quite WIGO worthy...[edit]

...but I love how this guy argues that "the word "Engrish" is sometimes considered offensive by some people" after writing a pretty offensive entry about the word. PFoster 18:57, 11 May 2008 (EDT)


Andy conflates "aggression" with wanting to have sex with women. Interestingly neo-lithic of him... humanUser talk:Human 20:47, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Apparently all gay are very feminine, I guess he never watched Oz. lol DLerner 21:04, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Poor's Pretty Puss[edit]

Weird...the photo of Ed now posted at CP (as pointed out by WIGO) is exactly as I pictured him....(not that I spend a lot of time, you know, picturing him)--WJThomas 22:15, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Gawd, you'd think... ah, never mind. Just a day or two ago I bumped into a woman blogger giving advice to men on dating sites, saying "don't use photographs of yourself against white-painted brick walls - are you in jail? A bathroom? Ick". Also, the WIGO forced me to reread Ed's pomposity on his page, with such gems as "But senior staff [at CP] have been amazingly tolerant of opposing ideas here so far and I reason to hope they will continue to do so." ROTFLAMAO! " just so happens that nearly every word I type, link I create, article or template I start - gains instant and widespread acceptance." Whoa, nice ego you got there Bud. Haha, "bud". Flower buds the moonie he should be selling? humanUser talk:Human 22:22, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Filth, what a horrible pic. Obscene even. Particulary the yellow teeth. Ed - Poor Dental Health....

Ace Mc Wicked

I'll be honest, I've seen a lot worse in my (old) line of work. But man alive, what an awful photo. Maybe they shouldn't have had the family pet take it? --Kels 22:38, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
It official, Andy and Ed even look alike.... I wonder if Ed has a high nassaly voice as well. SirChuckBCall the FBI 23:16, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Ed Poor is Andy's Tyler Durden. Stile4aly 01:13, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Glorpus (Ed's name is "Glorpus" to me now; he looks much more like a creature named "Glorpus" than a human named "Ed" (no I'm not above making fun of people's appearances, why do you ask?)) is just a shithead on so many levels. But what's really fucked up is that Andy added that picture to the article. That article that is allegedly about his grandfather. I also just noticed this gem on his userpage: "I've also taught SAT math prep, so if your article has any errors in arithmetic or statistics, prepare for a shock. I might just delete your entire contribution." Deleting articles with statistical errors? Anyone pointed him in the direction of Andy's Hollywood breast cancer mystery? DickTurpis 02:57, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

He looks like his mother was his sister, cousin, aunt and grandmother... Spica the Hiver If you tolerate this, then your children will be next... 04:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

***AD HOM ALERT***AD HOM ALERT*** Ajkgordon 04:23, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

You put the Ad Hom alert after the entire section of Ad Hominem attacks? A little late don't you think? SirChuckBCall the FBI 09:53, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Yes. Ajkgordon 11:03, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Okay, I need some help with this one since the coffee hasn't kicked in yet. When I looked at the article with the pic it seemed like it's about the grandfather of Ed the Moonie, since it mentions the latter by a different link. This makes sense since Grumman Aircraft's an old company and any co-founder would be quite old or deceased by now.

What's funny about this is that we can now create a new CP category, Sysop Family Albums, which will contain all the family pages for the CP elite who don't feel like paying for an subscription.--SpinyNorman 11:18, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Hum, I like the upload summary. "rights released to Conservapedia only"... sounds like they always have Rationalwiki on their mind. ;) Rights reserved to RationalWiki only 12:02, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I downloaded it anyway ;) Although if I ever use it I'll use one of them new-fangled computer program things to crop the damn thing! humanUser talk:Human 12:12, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

can some post the link for it? I can't find it — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Here ya go. I think making fun of people for things that they can't help is tacky, so I'll just mention that I expected he'd be fatter. --Gulik 13:07, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Okay, here's a scary thought - what would the "Ideal Conservative" look like if we morphed all of the available CP elite images into one? Start with Phyllis, Andy and Ed, then revise as more become available... --SpinyNorman 16:20, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Attorney at Law[edit]

Had an abortion? File a nuisance law suit!! Ace McWicked 04:41, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

"Call and attorney." Good to see Andy's grip of English is still as shaky as his grip on reality.Psygremlin 06:20, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I wonder if he realizes that according to his logic, a mother who had an abortion at 15 and then gave birth instead a year later would have a much lower breast cancer risk than a woman who waited until marriage for sex (and children) at age 30.
Wait... no, of course he doesn't. The "logic" is only a flimsy veil to support his own unmovable ideological convictions, and can be discarded or ignored when necessary. UchihaKATON! 07:50, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
One of the better ways to avoid these terrible cancers of breast is, of course, to use a hormonal birth control method that lasts a year at a go. As I understand it, it's the monthly sloughing and rebuilding of cells that raises risks of cancer of breast and cancer of some other lady parts. Which is why being a baby-maker reduces the risk, including lactation and consistent re-impregnation, it reduces a lady's cycle to maybe a couple-three every two years. But this would also not fit in with teh Andyworld. (another way to lower the risk is to get some of the lady bits cut out, also preventing those aforementioned monthly lady cycles) humanUser talk:Human 11:33, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Naked babies and [censored in the name of good taste][edit]

Now why do they like naked babies on the Main Page of Conservapedia? And there's a nice caring mother holding a babies bottom. Proxima Centauri 05:10, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

WTF? Ajkgordon 07:32, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Careful, Certain cross-posting editors are very sensitive about this topic. Further I'm not sure the mother's day image applies. Naked baby pictures are a sort of genre unto themselves and don't seem to denote any sexual content in isolation. However, fundies do seem to be fascinated by porn, homosexuality and deviant sexuality, in general, and sexualized children in particular (These are three three separate things). Note to CP editors who monitor this site very closely-- Hi you pack of liars and hate mongers!' --er . . what I meant to say is that since you have web access you can get all the porn you want for free. Unlike the old days, you don't have to rail against pornography in order to get a glimpse of it. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 07:48, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
So we're throwing the paedo label around because somebody posted a naked baby pic on CP? "Batshit insane" is commonly used on this site. It applies here. It does RW's cause no good whatsoever. Ajkgordon 07:43, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Nah as I said above naked baby pictures are pretty common in most families I know. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 07:48, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
We all know by now what excruciatingly poor taste they have in images; this is another example of that. I agree Ajk, it gets thrown about a lot and that subtracts from its severity when used legitimately. UchihaKATON! 07:50, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Phew. Horrible story here in the UK a few years back when a well-known newsreader was questionned by police after a chemist called them when developing photos of her baby in the bath. Stupido. Ajkgordon 08:22, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

(unindent) That only happened because you allowed the liberals to take over your country. If you stayed Vigilant like Andy and his cronies (I always picture them with old WWI helmets and rifles, camped out at night muttering "The liberals are coming") you could have prevented this and then the chemist would have seen it was simply a family picture, something to keep and embarrass your kids with when they get engaged. So sad for you. I will agree however, that throwing around words like pedaeophile is getting very close to libel and is in incredibly poor taste SirChuckBCall the FBI 09:58, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

And another thing... again a few years ago, at the height of the rather bizarre obsession with paedophilia, a paediatrician was attacked because the stupid cunts didn't know the difference. Thankfully that sort of mob behaviour seems to have died down a bit now. Or the press are reporting it less. Ajkgordon 10:59, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
My co-workers have advocated lynching for people accused of molestation. One is considering homeschooling because she seems to think that the schools are all too dangerous. And yet, for some reason, they consider themselves liberal. Lardashe
Actually, the paediatrician thing is an urban myth, she only got her house (or something) vandalized by some illiterate (or not?) by spray-painting the word "paedo". NightFlareSpeak, mortal 12:22, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes, this is true. However, the irony is that it was the media, particularly the News of the World, who whipped up the population into a frenzy and then the same media who whipped up the story of some paediatrician's vandalised house. It was probably just youths but it was enough to make the paediatrician concerned move house. The point I was trying to make is that the whole "paedo" thing, in the UK at least, is (or was) a media frenzy supported by a titillated public. Throwing the label around as above trivialises the seriousness of it and lets the outraged forget that the most likely perpetrator is a family member. Ajkgordon 13:17, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Good point. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 15:15, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

I hath solved the problem. Now where's my tip? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 12:33, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

It's got nothing to do with taste, IMHO. Ajkgordon 13:18, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

A Day in the Life of JBrown[edit]

Spend a tough morning sorting out all the "English Painting" & "Painting" articles (and seemingly becoming more frustrated as he does so). His reward? A 2 week block from Joaquín. Way to get rid of another editor contributor. Psygremlin 10:21, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I posted it on WIGO, since the talk page of English Painting (and Joaquin's talk page) shows that the article had been copy-pasted from a Wikipedia mirror. I don't see any reason for JBrown to be blocked other than to shut him up over being caught. Grumph! 11:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
There's also the fact that JBrown has been pwnz0ring Andy every time Andy starts using Schlafly Statistics, and in a few other places. Has anyone invited him here, yet? --Gulik 13:06, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Assuming he isn't someone's sock, we should. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:32, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Wow. The "Painting" article is the most amusing one, in my eyes. Especially now that another editor is about to run into the very same wall JBrown ran into twice - I wonder how many CP sysops are sitting at their screens with popcorn and HOLY CRAP! Didn't even get to finish my post, JM's revert-happy already! --Sid 15:15, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I invited 'em yesterday (using the only CP sock I have), but they haven't responded or registered yet. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:00, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh, the irony![edit]

Does anybody else notice the irony in the quote at the bottom of the CP's Censorship article? Or are fundamentalist Christians really convinced that they are a persecuted minority? Rational Edperception 14:41, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh, absolutely, they do. They're persecuted because creationism isn't allowed in schools, they're persecuted when they're not allowed to post the Ten Commandments on the courthouse lawn, they're persecuted when they're not allowed to beat up homos, they're persecuted when they're not allowed to shoot abortion doctors, and so on.--WJThomas 14:55, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Don't forget that in spite of being a persecuted minority (for 2000 years!), they are also an overwhelming majority in the US, and they founded the country to be a Christian "republic". Keeps one's head spinning... humanUser talk:Human 15:08, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
They want to have it both ways. They argue that they are the majority and that the US should be defined in terms of their beliefs, and yet they whine that they are the poor persecuted minority. What a bunch of dweebs. Rational Edbetter living through chemistry 15:38, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I think that I added the quote there, I was hoping someone would eventually see the Irony :) -DLerner 18:28, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Yep, I did. -DLerner 18:29, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
That quote sits as a pearl in a sea of pig swill. You, sir, are to be congratulated. --Horace 04:03, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
In my experience, religion/political True Believers find immense validation and meaning in being persecuted, no matter how hard they have to labor to make it happen. --Gulik 06:22, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Watching the sysops removing any mention of their own censorship, I find myself wondering what their lives are like. What does it feel like to life a life utterly devoid of self-awareness? --Gulik 06:19, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Welcome to Conservapedia, the alternate universe where irony and post-modernism never happened. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:43, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Actually, I don't think much has happened in their world since Newton. That rules out a lot more than post modernism. As for irony, that requires the ability to accept a certain level of ambiguity and uncertainty in life. Rational Edthink! 13:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
You're right—they need a modernism to be post, first. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

CP Awards[edit]

May we suggest a name for this prestigious accolade?

  • The Cons
  • The CPs
  • The Phyllis
  • The Fundies

--JayJay4Ever??? 15:17, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

The Phunguss humanUser talk:Human 15:21, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Show some respect. We're taking about the only person on the planet with the intellectual prowess to master the whole of human knoweledge and the moral fortitude to rewrite the bible and he is generous by nature. (10 cents incident parable not withstanding). We got to call them the Andy's.
I second that, but only because I can't think of anything better. : ) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:35, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I sort of like the way "Schlafly" rolls of the tongue. Rational Edbetter living through chemistry 15:40, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I love the typical Schlaflian logic in feeling sorry for teenagers who are "troubled by lack of awareness of conservative values". Rational Edbetter living through chemistry 15:47, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I like the "Andys", but what about the "Candies"?. I note that someone has already nominated the Wikimedia Foundation or whatever it's called. I doubt that lasts long... Oh, and can someone please fix "Someone who overcome personal challenges and spread..." so it's closer to English? Thanks. humanUser talk:Human 15:58, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I already coined "Andys" in the WIGO, but I'm starting to like the "Connies," myself.PFoster 16:00, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Oh my God. Someone has suggested The Ronny and I think it's serious (so hard to tell). If they win in more than one category I wonder if they'll be awarded Two Ronnies. Goodnight from him. RedDog 16:11, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
How about the "Cons"? Rational Edthink! 16:13, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Since we already have the Oscars, why not call it the "Berts" (the why will be apparent when Andy reads the nominations...)--SpinyNorman 16:16, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Actually, the Wikimedia Foundation has been nominated by ANDY. --Sid 16:18, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, I freaked when I went back to the diffs. I thought it was vandalism. But I guess WF brought "conservative values to millions of page views", whatever the hell that means. humanUser talk:Human 16:22, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
That part made me go "Wait, what?", too. Apparently, my page views cherish his conservative values. I haven't asked them yet, though... --Sid 16:36, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I strongly suspect that most of my page views are infected with Liberal deceit. :-( --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:48, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
It was obvious to me. He's thanking the Wikimedia Foundation for creating the software that allowed Conservapedia to be created. Pity about those other, lesser, wikis in the meantime. Perhaps they could be removed, so no one sees their shame. --Kels 18:42, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
(undent a bit) Reading the talk page of that article essay whatever-it-is, the award would go to anybody but the WM Foundation. --Sid 15:20, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

OT interruption: "I thought he "worked" for RodentionalWiki. Kektk 23:45, 11 May 2008 (EDT)" Priceless. humanUser talk:Human 17:34, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

>_> I only wish I could make these eyes pointier UchihaKATON! 19:07, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I do not like the choice of "the Andys" as it insults a great (homophonic) mountain range. I would rather the name be tied to the reaction at being nominated (or worse) awarded a prize by the "Trusworthy Encyclopedia": Hence I give you the IPPYS, after ipecac that great inducer of severe nausea throughout the world. CЯacke® 19:43, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

The Connies may be a little too close to Commies for them. Perhaps the "Trusties" after the Trustworthy Encyclopedia? Or perhaps the "Don't-mention-the-F.B.Ies" Armondikov 20:57, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Rather the TRUSSIES after the Trusworthy Encyclopedia , having the benefit of rendering support. Choose 21:01, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
and, I hasten to point out, restraint . . . Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 21:10, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
Well, there's always the Conservapedia Recognition And Praise award, or CRAPpies for short. Some of the people they've nominated are worthy of as much crap as we can heap on them.--SpinyNorman 21:16, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
I kicked it around a bit and came up with a few:
  • The squeakies (Andy's Voice, yes this is total Ad Hom.... but I truly loath this man and laugh at his misfortunes)
  • The Crazies (For obvious reasons)
  • The OMies (One has to have an Open Mind to get this award)
  • The FOMies (Open mind and foaming at the mouth)
  • And my personal favorite, The Gunies

Submitted for your approval SirChuckBCall the FBI 21:19, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

How about the Propsperities? Barikada 21:40, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

  • The Golden Revert
  • The YECies
  • The Moonies - No, wait... that one doesn't work.
  • Of course, the best for last: The Godspeeds!!
--Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 08:56, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Yes! I'm voting for Godspeeds, and damn anyone who says different.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 09:03, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I'll second Godspeeds. Rational Edthink! 09:14, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I would say Andy's, if not for the disrespect to the mountain range noted above. As it is, I toss my vote in with "Godspeeds". UchihaKATON! 09:23, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I'll throw in with the "Godspeeds" too, noting that a likely nickname for the nickname could be the "Peedies." CЯacke® 12:45, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Instead of the Ronnies they could go with the iRonnies. BeastmasterGeneral 09:39, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I still prefer the Andies, but at the risk of slandering the second-highest mountain range in the world, I'll go with the Godspeeds. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:48, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

(undent) dudes- God named the Andes after Andy. Duh. Those liberal Europeans changed the spelling because of deceit. But we don't fall for that here. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 21:11, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

I wondered how long it would take for the divine Phyllis to appear on the list. Albert 23:09, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Smallest Conspiracy Ever[edit]

Those other guys weren't me. I expect they just share IP addresses that are similar. Shame. -ThomasE (1&2)

Oh, and I'm not Ames. They are pretty goddamn stupid there. -ThomasE

Very true. Your struggle with Andy (if you are indeed ThomasE/ThomasE2) featured one of his most irritating arguments yet -- all liberals must accept responsibility for the actions of any other liberal! And Crocoite has a talent for random sock allegations. You shouldn't take it to heart :)— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 01:52, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Ames is larger than life. I've had half a dozen socks accused of being Ames. They seek him here. They seek him there. Those sysops seek him everywhere. Is he in heaven? Is he in hell? That damned elusive Pimpernel. --Horace 04:15, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Horace, I am become liberalism, the shatterer of CP.-caius (spy) 17:20, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

So let me make sure I have this right: (i) The great and unforgiveable sin was to have opened the door to liberal offensiveness, and to have failed to "recognize the slippery slope and the consequences". (ii) Aschlafly gave the nod to the creation of the article in the first place, after being specifically asked on a talk page. THEREFORE (iii) Aschlafly made an error. CharlesSublunar 04:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

More importantly, that sort of makes Assfly a liberal, by his own definition. He has to take responsibility for the slippery slope he created. Nods.gif (<== nods in agreement) — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 05:15, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Ah, but as a Liberal Andy can simply follow Liberal Style #17 and deny that responsibility. CharlesSublunar 06:57, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Let's not be too smug on this point. I'd like to point out we've done some witch hunting over here as well. I had a couple people, granted a CP/RW bi-wikian was first among them, either accuse me of definitely being TK or else speculate on whether or not I might be TK. (Yeah, now that you mention it he does use the same font as TK) I know he whom I will call the hybrid led the charge but some of you others sort of piled on . . . First they came for the jugglers, but I wasn't a juggler so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the lion tamers, but I wasn't a lion tamer so I didn't speak up. Then they came for the mimes . . . Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 07:36, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I disagree. Let's be more smug. Unlike CP, there's very little paranoia over here, apart from a bit of speculation over TK -- and you are TK so it's useless to deny it! We know your game, "Sheesh", and it isn't Mahjong! Incidentally, I know you were talking about Fox, but can I be "The Hybrid"???— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 08:04, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
you can be 'Smuggles' for your affection for smugness and, for a limited time ,I will give anyone a nickname for free based on some shallow or misconceived persona trait! TK Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 14:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I would also disagree with your statement.... You were subject to a little discussion on one talk page. Had this been CP, you and everybody who might possibly sorta be like you would be banned forever with no discussion. Therefore, the fact that someone even thinks you might be TK and you're still posting differentiates us from Andy and Friends people stuck worshiping him SirChuckBCall the FBI 17:15, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Ok. We're all clear now Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 20:48, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Template Wigo[edit]

Does anybody know if we could just prune off the bottom of this template it is getting long? 3.14159 03:27, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Deafening Silence[edit]

Given the usual light-speed deletions and reversions of pages and edits The Powers That Be don't like, I find the lack of response to this request for a page deletion... interesting. Psygremlin 08:42, 13 May 2008 (EDT) On the subject of double standards, is it just me, or has Delilah done nothing but talk talk talk (ok, apart from deleting and reverting an article of Debs') since she stuck her head over the parapet? 13:53, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Andy's illiteracy problem[edit]

After thinking about it for awhile, it's a very difficult thing to gather data about. I did find one piece of information that is useful. Lubbock, TX has a high population of illiterate adults -

And I found the voting records for last election.

And from a cursory glance, I'd say it looks like the illiterate vote likely to be split.

- Lardashe

This quote from Andy - "A source is not needed to prove that something never existed. The burden is on the person who makes the claim that something happened to support it." - puts him on very thin ice over the existence of god. Anyone care to point this out? Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:43, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I think he considers the Bible to be proof. Of course, the legitimacy of the Bible has been called into question by all the Liberal additions that have been made. - Lardashe
If I could direct you over to education and voter trends... --Shagie 13:49, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

cp:Painter Values[edit]

Not quite WIGO worthy, but just give it time... (link could possibly be NSFW/NWS depending on your employer) Sandman 17:10, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

On a related note, I love this discussion, mostly because JM is trying to make 'painter' and 'artist' into synonyms. Sandman 17:12, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Three things are possible:
  1. JM is a brilliant parodist.
  2. JM is an idiot.
  3. "Painting" has a completely different definition in his first language.
Either way, my head hurts now. Do I get this correctly - he blocked two editors because he apparently does not understand the definition of "painting" and instead takes his overly general definition to the extreme? That should be a new "WTF" record, even for CP. --Sid 18:42, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Its not 3. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 19:27, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
It's nice (and oddly satisfying) to see that JM's "logic" made even Fox bash his head against a wall. It got as far as Fox simply rewriting the entire article from scratch (currently in progress). I wonder if JM will interfere with it once he's done... *silly grin* --Sid 13:58, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Dude, what is going on at CP?[edit]

Hahahaha! Words fail me. 18:18, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

My new theory: Andy's 11 year old nephew is really behind CP. He has fabricated all the stuff about Andrew Schlafly. The real Andrew Schlafly is a 40-some adult. There is no way he would do and say the things he does. Clearly CP is the work of a child. Every word he types just back up my claim. Hi Andy, you jerk! Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 18:35, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
I should have pointed this out back then when it was new but... dude, where's your car? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 19:23, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

TerryH really takes the cake there. He never watches TV, apparently, but nevertheless held a subscription to TV Guide? But Andy is right in a way, certainly liberals watch much more TV and film than conservatives, when you use Andy's definition of liberal, which is anyone left of him (99.9% of the population). This also includes 13 year old Jonas Brothers-obsessed girls who don't know who Barack Obama is, though they're pretty much the textbook definition of apolitical. In any case, it's nice that someone finally admitted the policy at CP: Andy needs no proof of any of his assertions, but solid, undeniable facts are needed if you even want to question his logic. DickTurpis 23:42, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Though being allowed to question Andy's logic is of course a long way from actually disproving it. Mere solid, verifiable, undeniable facts won't even come close. c.f Dawkins. Charles SubLunar (mr) 05:08, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Dude, that was one of the funniest exchanges. I rack up another point for the "closet liberal" conspiracy theory. 07:00, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
I especially liked the thing about ripping the covers off of TV Guide. -Lardashe

Andy refuses to provide special police protection[edit]

. . . so don't bother asking [14]. The whole exchange is pretty funny. Especially since the offending entry was in fact a liberal parable of sorts. I'm sorry the guy cares about the article and that it got deleted. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 18:43, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

So... how many parables have been deleted from the Conservative Parables page? How many times has the whole page been deleted? Yeah... NightFlareSpeak, mortal 19:32, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
:: The first one isn't even a parable it is only an opportunity for Andy to reveal that he is "generous by nature" except when it comes to dimes. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 20:47, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Sock or sick?[edit]

[15] --Albert 22:57, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

[16] With that, I think it will be banned before we can find out. --Shagie 23:03, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
His contributions make for interesting reading, very 90/10. Again it shows it is not how much you say it is what you say the will get you blocked under 90/10. 3.14159 08:21, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Someone Should do this[edit]

If anyone has some free time and a few lulz in the making, Sock up at CP and ask Andy about this study It shows that girls who exercise as early as age 12 lower the risk of Brest Cancer in their later years... Makes me wonder which is worse? The threat of Breast Cancer, or the threat of Injury, because as we all know, Girls just Didn't evolve weren't created to participate in sports. SirChuckBCall the FBI 01:03, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Someone's listening --Albert 01:40, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
That was a REAL Ames sock! The Amnotames guy wasn't me though, and he WAS kidna creepy.-caius (spy) 02:00, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Ken's imaginary friend[edit]

The WIGO link is dead - Hoji's page is deleted. What was Ken discussing? Charles SubLunar (mr) 04:47, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

I put a screenshot for one of the links and axed the other link/ The screencap is the pertinent deletion logs for said links. The info in the deletion log is lulzy enough I guess. CЯacke® 14:27, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
He changed his User page so it said something like "This former user was not an atheist but he supported the Theory of Evolution" and wrote on his talk page "So you are interested in atheism?", even though the user was blocked for 5 years in Feburary. I think he was trying to get the Google search results up again. It is becomming a worrying obsession of his. 3.14159 05:06, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Improving his Google rankings is the LEAST worrying of Ken's obsessions. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 06:34, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
They're pulling a lot of tricks to get that article high on google. If only there were search engine deoptimisation... Armondikov 07:05, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
You can always optimize every other atheism page. In fact:




NightFlareSpeak, mortal 07:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Good point. Though I doubt anything on Conservapedia that uses real terms will ever get higher than the Wikipedia equiverlent so it's not all bad. Also, did anyone see the reasons that the imaginary friend was blocked for, including "Misquoting Mr Schlafly" Armondikov 07:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Also, why did Hoji have "I do NOT have an account at that other place, under the same username"? It wasn't exactly a secret that he did. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 07:33, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
I kept a screenshot of the deletion log of the user and user:talk pages, which includes the "content was:" stuff too. User page said "Fond of the atheism article?" and the talk page had "This former conservapedian was not a proponent of atheism but he did try to promote the theory of evolution." Not sure if it's worth uploading for the purpose of clarifying it on WIGO. NorsemanWassail! 10:04, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Might be worth a shot. We ought to have something there to be seen when you click the links.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 10:07, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
As above: :I put a screenshot for one of the links and axed the other link/ The screencap is the pertinent deletion logs for said links. The info in the deletion log is lulzy enough I guess. CЯacke® 14:27, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Natural disasters[edit]

Like the earthquake in China and the cyclone in Burma. Do Conservapedia have any history of bothering to cover these in their news section? Or are they not deemed important enough to bump off the news about professor values? Charles SubLunar (mr) 08:08, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

If they can't blame liberals, it generally isn't worth mentioning. Natural disasters can only be blamed on God (or, if you're a liberal, you can put some blame in climate change for some of them, but they aren't about to do that). Occasionally they'll make note of a disaster and their alleged prayers for the victims, but usually the victims have to be Americans for them to be bothered. DickTurpis 09:20, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Last August there was an earthquake in Peru. CP put some BS on their main page about sending prayers to the victims. I posted something on our front page saying how pathetic and posted a link to the international disaster appeal website where you could donate money to fund proper aid. Andy was eventually shamed into posting something a bit more constructive and posted some links to religious aid organisations. Whether anyone actually gave money on either site (other than myself) I've no idea. Of course the religionists at CP like to crow how much more believers give to charity than atheists. However, I have never seen any figures that break down what those contributions are. I know that churches in the US have charitable status, so I've no idea how much of their charity goes to running the churches and how much to actually to helping the needy. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 10:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
I seem to remember something similar (it might be in the 'Best of...') about somebody sending Christmas wishes and reminding the CPers to think about the needy. PJR was involved (I think) in a long debate about how they'd send their prayers which would be more important that physical help. --Psygremlin 10:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Prayer is the most effective way of feeling like you're doing something without getting off your arse... Armondikov 11:53, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Not if you kneel! Rational Edthink! 12:10, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh Noes![edit]

I always knew the Vatican was a bastion of liberalness. Now they're contradicting Andy by allowing people to believe in aliens!. Only atheists do that. DickTurpis 09:18, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Did you read the rest? "The Bible "is not a science book," Funes said, adding that he believes the Big Bang theory is the most "reasonable" explanation for the creation of the universe. The theory says the universe began billions of years ago in the explosion of a single, super-dense point that contained all matter." and that's a Cardinal! --Marghanita Laski 09:37, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
That was the best part of the article, and far more interesting than the aliens-are-okay part. Did you catch the comment that equates extraterrestrials to non-sentient animals, though? That seems to be how the cardinal rationalizes it. I'm sure this would be dismissed on CP anyway, since fundies don't think of Catholics as true believers, anyway. --SpinyNorman 09:47, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Where does it say that? The cardinal rationalises it by not arrogantly limiting God in His Creation, unlike the limits imposed by YECers. He explicitly says there is no reason to rule out intelligent sentient aiens. Ajkgordon 11:08, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
My bad. I misinterpreted the line "Just as we consider earthly creatures as 'a brother,' and 'sister,' why should we not talk about an 'extraterrestrial brother'? It would still be part of creation." They were referring to sentients in that statement, so I'm going to clean my eyeglasses and get more coffee.--SpinyNorman 11:40, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Briefly for the record, Funes is not a cardinal but the director of the Vatican Observatory. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 11:41, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
A cardinal error to be sure! Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 11:44, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
He's right, you know. Ajkgordon 12:07, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
From the BBC web site - To strengthen its scientific credentials, the Vatican is organising a conference next year to mark the 200th anniversary of the birth of the author of the Origin of Species, Charles Darwin. Wonder what his Aschlaflyness makes of that?
I'd say the Vatican is now officially out of the running for a Godspeed award this year.--SpinyNorman 09:49, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
There is absolutely no surprise here. The Big Bang was, after all, discovered by a RC priest. Please don't keep confusing Christianity with fundamentalism. It's just as bad as YECers misrepresenting Evolution. Ajkgordon 10:07, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Who's confusing Christianity with fundamentalism? Andy has repeatedly made it clear that in his view belief in aliens is an atheistic trait. I have no idea what Andy's opinion of the Roman Catholic Church is, but I don't think anyone can say they're atheists, so Andy's painted himself int another corner. I'm sure he'll do what he always does in such circumstances, he'll walk across the painted floor and deny he's tracked paint anywhere. DickTurpis 12:06, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Nobody. At least not on this thread. Not yet.
My comment wasn't about Aschlafly. It was about RW and the potential for some of us to equate YEC ramblings about ETs, Big Bang, evolution, etc. as being synonymous with Christianity as a whole, ergo Christianity is wack. As we can see from things like the announcement linked to above, that would be a mistake. Ajkgordon 13:45, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Isn't Andy a RC? Marghanita Laski 10:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
No idea. Ajkgordon 10:23, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
I doubt it, really. He'd have to believe in Papal Infallibility, wouldn't he?— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 10:25, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
According to our own drive-by mugging well-researched article, Andy went to a Catholic school, and I think he was married in the Church. I wouldn't be surprised if, when he "saw the light" at age 40, we joined some Evangelical congregation too. Praise Be. PFoster 10:33, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Andy is indeed RC although he seems to be more of an evangelical RC. I am thoroughly aware that many early geologists were priests. From a European perspective, I don't think that nowadays there is an issue between science and mainstream religion with regards to geology, evolution and cosmology. However, there are apparently large swathes of people across the US who do accept a more literal reading of the bible, and CP is an active proponent of YEC and anti-evolutionism. So pointing out that major churches are actively supporting the scientific viewpoint is not to knock the churches it is to highlight the ridiculousness of the YEC position, especially when it stands in opposition to the position of their own church. Genghischilling 10:34, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Well it's gotta be true, it's even on Fox. Actually PJR should be the best to taunt. Marghanita Laski 10:59, 14 May 2008 (EDT)
Indeed, Genghis. I still find it extraordinary how much YEC appears to be prevalent in the US. Ajkgordon 11:09, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

The state of AS's RCism is irrelevant--if there's anything there that he disagrees with (such as the Church's position on the death penalty), he'll just dismiss it with the usual hand-waving and liberal conspiracy talk, just as he's done with the Bible.--WJThomas 11:15, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

And he reserves infallibility for himself. Rational Edthink! 11:52, 14 May 2008 (EDT)