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Did anyone else get a kick out of this footnote?

"p. 312, 1984 - George Orwell, Penguin, 1984"[1]

Note the alleged publication date... humanUser talk:Human 14:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Yes...? An edition of 1984 published in 1984? That's moderately amusing, I suppose...? ;-) --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:49, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Maybe the editor's copy was a special edition. Or it could be a typo. Either way, it's dumbass, and should say 1948(9?) - when did it actually get published?. humanUser talk:Human 16:46, 7 March 2008 (EST)
First edition from '48, I think, but when quoting a specific passage, it actually makes better sense to mention the specific edition you're using, since pagination usually varies among editions. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:53, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, good point. Of course. Thanks for pointing that out. humanUser talk:Human 12:27, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Oops. Well spotted, H - it should be 1989, like the Crimestop entry. --Robledo 12:59, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Hahahahaha. Obviously two cpers have different editions... oops, no. Apparently Robledo has two copies with different publication dates: [2] and [3] - he added both refererences. humanUser talk:Human 20:50, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Sounds about right...[edit]

Courtesy of Jinxmchue..."based upon the belief that editors and readers are flipping morons" [4] I couldn't have described CP any better.--Jdellaro 16:08, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Well, that's Jinxmchue for you. Booted from Wikipedia for being an unproductive ass. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:18, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Foxes on the chopping block, RW dudes on the loose[edit]

Okay, wow. I gotta give credit where credit is due: Fox impresses me.

I do acknowledge that a lot of it may be connected to him "not really liking TK" to put it mildly (just look at his references to a certain disgraced ex-sysop...), but I applaud the reasoning.

For shits and giggles, let's test it in an extreme case: Here is mine. While I doubt I'd actually go back there since I'm fairly incompatible with the stuff Andy claims to be The Truth (though miracles might happen), I would appreciate some justice. In the end, I got a perma-ban basically for restoring the user page I've had for MONTHS. And for some other made-up charges like trying to play sysops against each other (which in reality was just Rob contacting me for some reason - see my CP talk page and my RW user page).

The case got memory-holed quietly whenever it was brought up. I'd just like to be unbanned so my account could go on idle without giving me block messages each time I use it. --Sid 16:47, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I too would like justice. I think a lot of us went down for calling TK an asshole. When he was. Now that they know that... but then again, remember that this almost happened like five months ago, and it was shot down by Karajou hating anyone who's not, well, Karajou. We'll see.-αmεσ (blackguard) 16:49, 7 March 2008 (EST)
For the record, CP people: Please do not unblock my account. I left voluntarily and have no desire to return. That is all. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:54, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I should add that I think this is probably a critical juncture for Conservapedia. If you've been following it lately (and who hasn't?) it's becoming clear that Karajou and Crocoite are becoming simultaneously more insane, and more important to the site's survival. Especially viz. their conflicts with SSchultz, Jdellaro, Barikada, and PhoenixWright, their blocks are becoming less justified, more ideological, and more defensive and tacit admissions of their meritless stances. All this while both are generating more ridiculous content (with Andy's help). So the way I see it, CP can make a choice: become more of a fringe site, and more irrelevant, or become more accepting of dissent, and less accepting of far-right craziness, and otherwise more normal. Although I have my guesses about which side they'll take, I hope I'm wrong, for the sake of the kids that actually use that site.-αmεσ (blackguard) 17:01, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I am also quite impressed, though I should point out that TK also did large IP blocks. Some of the usernames that may be unblocked may still leave the users themselves unable to log in because of various blocks. I would suggest that sysops at CP look at the IPs used by users there are unblocking and check to see if there are any IP blocks on those ranges that might need to be lifted too. --Shagie 17:05, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Uh huh. If Reynard really wanted to help, he'd leap down Karajou's throat for his insane blocks in the present rather than digging over insane blocks long past. It doesn't help righting the wrongs of TK, if you're simply going to let the new TK get on with it. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 17:06, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Replaced lost content. Also, Karajou is totally the new TK. Good call.-αmεσ (blackguard) 17:08, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Speaking of IPs... it appears mine's been banned. If I try to edit, I get the message "The block was made by Karajou. The reason given is Autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by "Barikada". The reason given for Barikada's block is: "stopping a fight before he begins it"." Barikada 16:38, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Why do I get the impression that over at the New Special Discussion Group (or whatever they're calling it these days), Fox is getting a royal reaming from Karajou and/or Andy? I feel bad for the guy, but he really should have seen it coming. --Kels 16:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Unblocking Human[edit]

If you see fit to release me to parole from this 8.5 months of blockage, please don't forget my IP address,, and the block ID is #17944. Thank you. I may not edit much, if at all (maybe some pretty pictures for my building trades series?), but as Sid says above, at least I won't have TK yelling at me every time I want to check the source of something. humanUser talk:Human 16:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Holy of holies, batman, they did it! Me too, Fox!-αmεσ (blackguard)
These might not unblock anybody, remember that there are quite a few range blocks that are still in force. Or does unblocking a specific IP get around a range block? I dunno. CЯacke®
I'm not blocked, but I could never contribute seriously to anything which so perverted the mythology of religion and the 'Might is Right' philosophy displayed by so many of the current Sysops & editors at CP. Susanpurrrrr 18:30, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Whoa. Yeah but my IPs still blocked, and so is NYU. Poor law school kids.-αmεσ (blackguard) 18:35, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Shit, I feel sorry for the poor guy, he probably has no idea what range blocks to undo. Wasn't he just a pee-on when all this took place? Robin Redbreast 18:39, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Ames, what's the reference to " my kids" Susanpurrrrr 18:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)
I have no idea. Also, our discussions together were about unblocking the entire cabal, but his message makes it sound like we'd corresponded about me specifically.-αmεσ (blackguard) 18:55, 7 March 2008 (EST)

This cannot last. Andy's been offline for the last three hours. Once he gets back and sees the furniture turned over, milk spilled everywhere, and styrofoam peanuts stuck to the kitteh, Fox is for the chop, I reckon. DogP 18:51, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I dunno. Fox is (1) an objectively nice, reasonable guy, (2) a good administrator, and (3) a hard worker. It'll be hard for Andy to completely crap on his plans.-αmεσ (blackguard) 18:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Ames, you have obviously been at the booze this afternoon. Mandy and Kinkydoodle's history (let alone Crocabybaby) when it comes to reasonable people is, uhm, kinda like the French Silver Kilogram of Conservapedia's raison-d'être, no? I'l happily lay bets here - I'll donate pi's to the Pi Pledge if I'm wrong. DogP 19:07, 7 March 2008 (EST)

The NYU block also covers at least one major midwest isp for rural areas. --Shagie 18:56, 7 March 2008 (EST) is the NYU one. linked here for Fox's convenience. Thanks again MexMax for the shout-out on that one.-αmεσ (blackguard) 19:11, 7 March 2008 (EST)
While I disagree with fox about several things, he, along with PJR, are the more reasonable types. Note that I've already started reverting parodist liberal vandals. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

I directed him to WIGO talk to look to our IPs. My home IP has changed, so that's fine, but when you're at school, you're at school.-αmεσ (blackguard) 19:19, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Also, concur on PJR. A Conservapedia run by PJR and Fox would be very different than the Karabully infested place it is now.-αmεσ (blackguard) 19:20, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Fox, would you care to unblock meI never vandalized, and was blocked for being someone I don't even know. Pinto's5150 Talk 19:26, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Fox, considering my long history of valid contributions to CP, I'd like to be unblocked as well. --Hojidie! 19:44, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Wow, Human and Ames unbanned? Never thought I'd see the day... (Me next! Me next!) :P --Sid 19:46, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Fox, any chance of unblocking User:PortlyMort? No vandalism there either, just a block by TK for "preferring the LULZ site". - 20:20, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Re. renewed blocking of everyone - I rest my case. Those bozos don't do Fair Play. However, I've donated to the Pi Pledge anyway. DogP 17:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)


Why do you guys even want to be unblocked? tmtoulouse persecute 19:46, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Fair play, mostly. Plus I need to illustrate my construction articles. No real interest in adding to CP, though if they'd let me "discuss" things sometimes that might be cool. humanUser talk:Human 19:50, 7 March 2008 (EST)
I mentioned my reason one major section above ours: My ban was simply not fair - I was banned on made-up nonsense charges right after negotiating my return. Plus, if I was unbanned, I could finally go back to actually using my account without getting a "WHAAAA YOU'RE BANNED AND YOUR BAN REASON IS X" message every time I accidentally hit a red link or want to see the wiki source text of an article. It's mostly out of principle - CP wants to be taken a bit seriously, then they need to implement some sort of actual ban review. Right now, pointing out that a ban/block was unfair is basically a death sentence. Editors simply don't have the right to ask about other blocks, the blocked editor often can't contact the blocking sysop (or has Kara finally enabled his mail?), and other sysops often default to "You should discuss this with the blocking sysop. I'm sure he had good reason, and I really don't want to get on his bad side, so you're on your own." --Sid 20:13, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Also, I'd have the power to actually communicate directly with sysops (and sysop wannabes) instead of using the WIGO Communications Center. Heck, how often did we have to make WIGOs to point out inaccuracies or vandalism? See for example the bit about the Sun entry (somewhere above). --Sid 20:16, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Here's a current case: DanH corrects an entry... but forgets to change one instance of the wrong name. Right now, I have to post it here and hope that one of our lurkers picks it up (and can claim credit for it :P). --Sid 20:20, 7 March 2008 (EST)

You know, I wouldn't mind being unblocked either. I would accept either my Stile4aly login, my JohnSmith login, or even my SSchultz login. Was I sometimes snarky? Of course, but I never vandalized the site, and I'm sure you'll see a lot of good contributions mixed in those usernames. CP is deeply misguided, and I doubt very seriously that any of these unblocks will last for any length of time, but if nothing else I'll get to be part of the Night of the Blunt Knives part 2. Stile4aly 22:56, 7 March 2008 (EST)

Hey, I just realized that I'm not blocked over there. At least, I don't think I am. Can you log in if you are blocked? GrandSoviet 23:59, 7 March 2008 (EST)

I believe you can still log in, e.g you can send an email protesting your block, it's just that you can't edit. I would have thought Ed "I'm a respected Wikipedian" Poor would have implemented the 'users can still edit their user page facility' but maybe that's asking too much.  Lily Thank you very much! 04:02, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Doc just got totally pwned by teh assfly: see LD #14, wherein I disprove your assertion, Dr. "specialty not in breast cancer"!!! humanUser talk:Human 00:05, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Heh. I'm just waiting for the smackdown of Mr. "specialty not in anything" Schlafly --Kels 00:11, 8 March 2008 (EST)
From IRC: "<@human_bean> ... pwned instantly by teh assfly (specialty not in anything)" great minds think alike, apparently. humanUser talk:Human 00:17, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I'm getting a total sense of deja vu from last year here. Could someone run over to Talk:Bible and argue a bit with Karajou about proper Koine grammar just to make the circle complete? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 07:36, 8 March 2008 (EST)
My presumed final post is up.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 08:52, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Hey, the crazier the act, the more I have to write about. Gotta love how bat-friggin insane assfly and TK Karajou are. Fox is ok i guess. Just gets cranky.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 08:52, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Okay, why in blazes is this BS a template? Also, the irony meter just rock slammed! --Kels 10:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Why anyone would want to seriously edit at CP is a mystery - unless you're slipping in links to push your Google rank for some site or other you may have. The recent treatment dished out to James Carmody shows that the Assfly is aff his heid. He's trying to run CP like a Soviet labour camp not a collabrative effort of volunteers, where every little help is thankfully appreciated. Christ! Even Conservatives don't take CP seriously, to date I can't find one Supportive link from an influential/well known Conservative organisation or personality except, perhaps, blog entries from other crazies. Anyone adding serious content is just another gullible slave labourer helping fuel the Assfly's delusions of grandeur (about 23,300 educational, clean, and concise entries ...over 51,800,000 page views...The truth shall set you free) by helping to disguise his wacky blog as an encyclopedia. Anyone who stumbles across CP and is stupid enough to take it for a source of useful/truthful information is beyond help any way. Auld Nick 10:28, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Anyone else notice that two of CP's doggedly sane contributors fell off the map a while back? (Dpbsmith and JoshuaZ) Smith trickled down in output and hasn't edited since January, while JZ walked away around last October. humanUser talk:Human 12:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I've encountered Dpbsmith quite a bit over at WP, and always found him to be one of the most clear-headed folks over there. I was surprised to see him at CP, until I realized he had not drank the kool aid, and wasn't terribly active in any case, at least not since last summer. He was welcomed there because he didn't get involved in controversial topics much. Of course, if you're going to avoid the controversial elements there's not much reason to edit there. You can write a hundred 5 sentence articles on mundane things that are covered far better at Wikipedia anyway, or you can get into the very limited range of things that CP actually cares about. I think Dpbs is one of those smart people Andy likes to brag has "abandoned" WP in favor of CP, even though he's been much more active at WP this whole time. I think all the other ex-WPians (except Eddie) were kicked out for being retarded trolls, rather than abandoning it to work for a "better" project. Basically, unless you're batshit insane, you're either going to tire of CP quickly, or it will tire of you. DickTurpis 17:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I think part of the appeal for old hand WPians like Smith is that CP they could start and build new articles in a way that just isn't possible any more at WP. Luckily we now have RW for the same "fix" ;) humanUser talk:Human 20:53, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Evil Professors[edit]

Good thing Richard Dawkins isn't one, eh? Must mean he's one of the good guys! --Kels 22:14, 7 March 2008 (EST)

From my friend, teh professor: "ASS-fly is right. That just pisses me off in about 100 different ways." humanUser talk:Human 23:29, 7 March 2008 (EST)
Come to that, if Professors are so bad, why does Andy brag on his user page about all the colleges his students went to? Doesn't he know they're full of Professors!? --Kels 00:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)
And doesn't he know that they are all evil liberal college/universities? Full of atheists and atheism, and not allowing classroom prayer?!?!?!?! Ooh, ooh, and they're all Lesbians!!! humanUser talk:Human 00:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Sign me up! Oh, wait... --Kels 00:10, 8 March 2008 (EST)
We hav cum for yr homewerk! humanUser talk:Human 00:18, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Seriously, what the fuck is going on in Andy's mind? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 01:03, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Very little, if anything. Barikada 01:07, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I have a feeling this isn't going to go well. 00:54, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Say, shouldn't the unblocked refrain from dissenting trolling? I mean, it might get Fox in trouble, and he is officially sane. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 01:03, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Eh, what did you expect him to do? He got unmuzzled, maybe had a drink or two, or a thought or two (uncommon on CP, at least with assfly), and went back to his old haunts. Reading his opening comment, he certainly allows for plenty of "pro-life" argument range - he just says, "not this one". And teh assfly can only pwn him with LD14!!! - as in, argument won, now shut up? humanUser talk:Human 01:22, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I don't know really, but it looks kind of silly to go there and argue with Don Schlafly when we all know what will happen, right after getting unblocked in what easily is the moment of greatest sysop-responsibility on CP. Its like saying Fox "I like what you did but I'll go there and undo it now."
Then again, maybe he doesn't mind. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 02:48, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Ah, I WIGO'd it before realizing that it was discussed here. Oh well. XD And yeah, not the smartest decision, but Fox explicitly say that they "are - I hope - all adult enough here to accept dissent." And nobody should be threatened for TALK PAGE SUGGESTIONS. Sheesh, Andy and Kara are really making CP look bad. --Sid 07:15, 8 March 2008 (EST)
It's just fun to watch people blindly commit the same hypocricy of which they are accusing others. And how often do you have a chance to talk directly to a cult leader? When he goes Waco, inquiring minds will want to know.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 09:06, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I wonder what Andy's AAPS buddies will think when he tells then they aren't experts in human medicine, while he apparently is? --Kels 10:06, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I liked his comment about the other doctors on the site. Who? And, yes Doc, if ever someday poor Andy snaps and creates a "public disturbance", we'll all get to go on TV to explain why. humanUser talk:Human 12:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)
We'd better secure the book and movie rights straight away! That should put an end to Trent's financial woes for good! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 12:42, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Fear and Loathing in New Jersey? Robledo 13:21, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Yes exactly, Dr. Who. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 13:32, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Haha, I love how Andy's "relatively large number" (doesn't he hate relativity?) of shocking incidents only amounts to seven, including a guy caught jaywalking and one who's been dead for 18 years. --Kels 13:58, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Not enough lulz for a WIGO entry, but...[edit]

Hey, any lurking CP sysops around? You might wanna check out the contribs of Mathman and MathMan - especially gems like Mathematical notation which was apparently ported over from a German wiki (German Wikipedia maybe?): See all the redlinks pointing at articles like "Linearkombination", "Verweisliste" or "Betragsfunktion". But something went wrong, and we now see the TONS AND TONS of wiki source text. --Sid 07:12, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Great machine translation there. Love the second sentence: "Please for some no particularly engraving changes make time without it in the discussion to have suggested before." --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 07:40, 8 March 2008 (EST)
And what's up with all that endlessly repeated "County is the English name for county..." stuff further down? >_> --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 07:42, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I think that is something to do with a template mismatch between different wikis. Also the machine translation changes the spacing of things so that the wiki-markup is broken.  Lily Ta, wack! 08:22, 8 March 2008 (EST)

An observation[edit]

Has anyone else noticed that in Andy's little world, Americans are collectively Conservative but individually Liberal? What I mean is, he's very proud of trumpeting the fact that the majority of Americans are Conservative in all sorts of arenas, but when it comes to describing any one individual alive today they are all Liberals. Anybody with any job you might describe as a profession is a liberal... professors, doctors, journalists, judges, teachers... all liberals to a man. Where are all these Conservatives, and why are they all such underachievers? I guess they haul our trash, connect our calls and drive our ambulances. Perhaps we shouldn't fuck with them. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 12:02, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Woah. What the fuck was I thinking? They're all America's ambulance chasing, black-hearted lawyers! That explains it. I guess America really does have six lawyers to four humans now. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 12:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)
But why do I have a feeling Andy considers the ABA a liberal group? It's probably just because he thinks every group is liberal; I guess this could be one of the few exceptions. Then there are those lawyers for the ACLU... DickTurpis 12:27, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Damn, forgot about the ACLU. Damn those Liberals, always standing up for the civil rights of people they love... like, you know, neo-nazis... (Also, paraphrasing fight club made me think of another quote to rip off... The seventh commandment of Conservative club is... YOU DO NOT TALK AT CONSERVATIVE CLUB!) --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 12:30, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Well, it's a strange manifestation of two contradictory ideas that the Christian Right use to bind themselves - that they a persecuted minority and at the same time, an overwhelming majority that deserves the mantle of rule in a democracy. The minority persecution complex keeps them well-defined as a coherent, insular group, while the majoritarian mythos allows them to feel comfortable in the idea that "their way" should be "everyone's way". It is much more closely bound to the religious component, with its martyr complex dating back to Jesus sacrifice, but it is also visible in the more political wing. Remember Nixon's "silent majority"? humanUser talk:Human 12:53, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Lawyer values[edit]

Andy is doing such a good job demonstrating "Professor Values" (is he related to Professor Plum?), what with his 6 or 7 crimes (including jaywalking), I think it's time for Fun:Lawyer values; I'm sure it shouldn't be too hard to find many examples of lawyers breaking the law. If lawyers do bad things, then Andy, who is also a lawyer, must do the same things, right? Isn't that how logic works? DickTurpis 14:44, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I'm bittorrenting the entire four series of Blake's 7, and not paying for it! You should do Software Engineer values. I'm probably a liberal too, which makes my crimes so much worse! --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 14:51, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I guess that "Student Values" will be next; I mean, it goes hand in hand with Professor Values! --Sid 14:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Don't forget "Voter Values"! Or is that Values Voters? humanUser talk:Human 15:03, 8 March 2008 (EST)
And there's surely room for Medical values - chracterized by a tendency to counter well-founded conservative bias and ignorant opinion with mere facts and expert knowledge. GNUSMAS : TALK 15:25, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Strange bedfellows (just a followup)[edit]

Referring to the question of evangelicals and jewish, Bill Moyers Journal has an article on Christian Zionism that you can watch. It is in context of McCain courting the religious right. --Shagie 15:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)


Gg, Karajou. Gg. The navy must be proud. UchihaKATON! 15:43, 8 March 2008 (EST)

s/Asclafly/His Majesty/g --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 15:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Yeesh. Karajou really is the next TK - struggling against his chain as he tries to find the tiniest excuse for bans. In this case... uh... disagreeing with Andy. Wow. So sad. Oh, and Karajou nicely points at RW in his post there: Googling for O'Leary wiki rubbish heap gives you her post... which links directly to us. Thanks, Kara! --Sid 15:56, 8 March 2008 (EST)

He blocked my Chinese proxy IP. OH NOES!-αmεσ (blackguard) 17:08, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Oh, and since it will get buried over time:
  1. 16:37, 8 March 2008 Karajou (Talk | contribs) blocked "AmesG (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (returned to form; will not return EXCEPT UNDER ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE)
  2. 16:34, 8 March 2008 Karajou (Talk | contribs) blocked "Palmd001 (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (returned to form; will not return EXCEPT UNDER ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE)
humanUser talk:Human 16:59, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Gets even better. After dishonestly blocking the both of them for the horrible sin of disagreeing with Andy (politely in Doc's case, even though Andy'd been rude to him), Kowardjou hides the evidence, leaving the most current item as the Sysop Pledge, promising he'll never do what he just did. TK should be claiming royalties. --Kels 17:19, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I think TK at least had the honesty of archiving such debates. Not 100% certain anymore, but Karajou is definitely the worse archiver; he even twice tried to remove the evidence back during his Bible Ban orgy - others had to create the archives after he quickly removed the discussions. --Sid 17:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Nice parting shot, AmesG to Kangaroo: "I just had to clear up the "you hate Conservapedia" thing. Because I don't. But I do hate you." Classic. humanUser talk:Human 17:58, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Yes, that was a nice touch. Very honest, just like the rest of that post. Some good points raised; too bad that Kara instantly memoryhole'd the entire thing. --Sid 18:00, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Who's for a nice game of late arrivals at Conservapedia?[edit]

I'll start us off with an easy one. Introducing Lord and Lady DeSeat, and their daughter Alice De... No, I lie... Beryl DeSeat. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 16:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

And, just arriving, Mr. and Mrs. Woodvalues, and their daughter Holly. GNUSMAS : TALK 16:14, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Groan! Oh, here comes Lord Ayer, and his Dutch cousin... Oh he's a touch of class, Voompr Ayer. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 16:34, 8 March 2008 (EST)
And here comes the professor... sorry, my mistake, it's just Donna Tedpoast. Matt 23:40, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Who's this? Is it Mr and Mrs Bation, and their son Master Bation? Oh no, he's been shown the door - he's not coming after all... GNUSMAS : TALK 19:17, 9 March 2008 (EDT)


Why should I think that Qwertymn is not wholly on CP's wavelength? Susanpurrrrr 16:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Ding ding ding, we have a winner! --Sid 16:09, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Awesome edits. I loved "Creation of Perpectual-Motors"! Also, I notice that according to the trusworthy bicyclopedia, the Panda is a bear... um, no, sorry. Me = wrong :) humanUser talk:Human 17:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Union flag[edit]

Tell 'em it's not strictly the Union Jack (it's the Union Flag) & look what I found while googling. "Union of Jacob" and "We, of the British Israel-World Federation hold that the main bodies of the modern-day descendants of those Israelite clans now form the generally Anglo-Celto-Saxon and kindred peoples of today." Weird: I'm a daughter of Jacob! Susanpurrrrr 19:00, 8 March 2008 (EST) Hey that site (here and here) is hysterical! Susanpurrrrr 19:13, 8 March 2008 (EST)

My favourite bit of British-Israelism nonsense: Andy belongs to a "sacred bloodline" through his sensitive mom. Scroll down towards the bottom... ;) -Robledo 19:25, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Screw the bloodlines - check THIS out (from your source):
Phyllis Bruce STEWART and John Frederic SCHLAFLY II had the following children:
  • 10538 i. John Frederic SCHLAFLY was born on 25 Nov 1950 in ALTON, IL..
  • 10539 ii. Bruce Stewart SCHLAFLY was born on 7 Mar 1955 in ALTON, IL..
  • 10540 iii. Roger Sherwood SCHLAFLY was born on 16 Oct 1956 in ALTON, IL..
  • 10541 iv. Phyllis Stewart SCHLAFLY was born on 11 Jun 1958 in ALTON, IL..
  • 10542 v. Andrew Layton SCHLAFLY was born on 27 Apr 1961 in ALTON, IL..
  • 10543 vi. Anne Valle SCHLAFLY was born on 16 Nov 1964 in ALTON, IL..
(Also, Phyllis had a daughter named Phyllis, and her son Andrew also had a daughter named Phyllis? Creativity isn't a strong trait in the family...) --Sid 19:30, 8 March 2008 (EST)
I mostly just giggled at Roger's middle name when I found it. Sherwood... XD --Robledo 19:48, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I've almost never (do I mean rarely?) heard of the British Israelites - gonna google & google & google & ... Susanpurrrrr 19:37, 8 March 2008 (EST)

Check this at CP. Auld Nick 19:43, 8 March 2008 (EST)
What was it Old St Nicholas? - there's nothing there now. Susanpurrrrr 19:47, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Try again. Sorted link. Auld Nick 19:50, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Sorry about that - too quick on the trigger! Quite amusing! Susanpurrrrr 19:53, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Andy's a British Israelite on top of everything else? Well, that explains a lot. Stile4aly 17:07, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Return of teh stupid[edit]

"The block was made by Karajou. The reason given is returned to form; will not return EXCEPT UNDER ACHLAFLY'S PLEASURE."

As much as he might wish to watch teh assfly sodomize me, I don't think that will be happening. If I ever become teh ghey, I'm saving myself for Crockoshit's plural gay marriage. He might have meant "at assfly's pleasure", but who knows...the wording is now enshrined. Hi Kara!!! (waving)..isn't that a, um, girly name? Rum, sodomy, and the lash!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 23:02, 8 March 2008 (EST)

My theory is proven, Doc, that you only wandered into CP editing-land, "under the influence" -- and, hurrah for you! humanUser talk:Human 01:10, 9 March 2008 (EST)


... throws down the gauntlet. Fox Fretfulporpentine 07:09, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Hey, that means our Jesus Christ article is probably better than CP's.
Seriously though, if you're reading this, you should direct your children to Wikipedia regardless of its flaws, they aren't likely to find political flamewars unless they're looking for it, and their graphic sexy material is not something they can't get from a Google search or two (and they might learn something while at it, I'll add.) There's also Citizendium but I don't know too much about that one. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 08:01, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Fox, if you're reading this too, I'm happy for you that you've discovered the unpleasant side(s) of Conservapedia, and I hope you'll move on to a happier place. While there're people like Andy and Karajou around, it won't be a family-friendly place. It'll just be a liberal-bashing, hatemongering place.-αmεσ (blackguard) 15:23, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I think Ed and Philip are probably the only two sysops actually committed to improving the encyclopedia. For all their wrongheadedness about certain subjects, they're at least willing to have open discussions. For Andy it's clearly a way to push his own beliefs on everyone and squelch dissent. Crocoite has said outright that it's an anti-liberal site, and Karajou clearly sees the site as a surrogate penis inasmuch as he gets to be IN CHARGE. Fox, there are far better places for you to contribute. Stile4aly 17:15, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
"Ed and Philip are the only two sysops..." What about me? --CPAdmin1 22:08, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
It's a fair cop, Tim, you're more on the reasonable side as well. I haven't seen you hand out bullshit blocks like they're Halloween candy. Please get some exposure outside of CP. The closed-minded anti-"everyone like us" atmosphere isn't good for you. Stile4aly 01:12, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Fox's comments on andy's disaster of an interpretation of the Adultress Story is quite good.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 17:17, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Putting a face to the name[edit]

Don't know why, but it's always interesting to see pictures of people. Here's PJR (on the left) Matt 07:41, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

It's Bill Bryson! Fretfulporpentine 08:22, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
"The average age of the Wikipedia police is probably between 15 and 17 years old."
I lovie visualizing that whenever I see something he says. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 08:42, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh great. Now you've conflated in my mind Bill Bryson and Bill Oddie, two men I admire very much, with PJR who, to be fair to him, is a complete and total twat. I hate you all. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 12:15, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I'll defend PJR; he's a nice and reasonable guy, if a little misguided in his ideas. Okay, very misguided. And posting pics of our friendly foes across the internets is kinda creepy.-αmεσ (blackguard) 12:26, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Is "a little misguided" a euphemism for stark raving bonkers? Auld Nick 12:37, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
In this case I believe so. What part of "reasonable guy" goes with "my religion is totally right, all the others are totally wrong"? That's just plain delusional. Even if you are religious, it at least demonstrates some facet of common sense if you can admit that it's a faith position, and that your faith is no more valid than that of any other person. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 12:38, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Nah, PJR does strike me as reasonable(ish), as long as you stay away from anything to do with religion. As soon as you go into that area, he goes a bit mental, doing things like trying to say that Bible literalism is a scientifically proven position, despite the fact that he has to go all around the houses and delve into philosophy and theology to try to make the argument stick, and, still, basically, fails (see the debate on this page between him and Urushnor for a good example). Zmidponk 15:59, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I think these should go, it's stalker behaviour. DogP 12:32, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Would it help if we added amusing lolcats style captions? --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 12:34, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
People who make arses of themselves in public should accept the consequences. If, on the other hand, they have been diagnosed as suffering some form of mental illness I would deem our behaviour inappropriate. Auld Nick 12:40, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I've started a topic on the Forum re: Photos. Susanpurrrrr 13:54, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Ah, OK. I had thought it would be OK to post it as it was on CP, but I guess I was assuming that Phil had given his consent, which as it isn't on his own user page probably wasn't reasonable. In my defence, I wasn't trying to be creepy - it's just nice to be able to visualise the person when you're reading their discussions. Phil if you're reading this (as you seem to) then no offence intended. Enjoy your 37C day in Melbourne. Matt 17:36, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

I haven't inferred ill-will on anyone's part...just trying to be cautiously polite.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 17:39, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I was wondering about that too. It felt a bit creepy after I put that in (though in Andy's case, it was worth it.) NightFlareSpeak, mortal 21:32, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Loading it here and adding comments might be over the line, but I see no issue with linking to Ellis's userpage. I believe we had no issues about linking when some "conservapedians"" made a point at a "conference". Are there now CP pages that are verboten for us? DickTurpis 22:45, 9 March 2008 (EDT)


I just HATE that word! Susanpurrrrr 13:39, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Calm down dear, and what are you still doing in the internet, shouldn't you be in the kitchen using your feminine talents to cook up something for yout husband, who could be home any minute now? You should learn to appriciate how we are equal, but diffrent. Timppeli 14:17, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Timo - it's a good job we're only connected by interwebtubes - you'd be in great danger of having your throat torn out by my pearly white teeth. :) Susanpurrrrr 14:28, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
NYARRRGH!!!. Susanpurrrrr 14:47, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
" are ... more emotionally stable..." Apparently so. Nods.gif --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 14:55, 9 March 2008 (EDT) Please don't kill me :-(.
Damn my petard! Susanpurrrrr 14:57, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
If you can't get others to recognise your brilliance, Do It Yourself. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 15:19, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
'Twas rather strange - Assfly should take note of this subtle method of self promotion. Susanpurrrrr 15:22, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Now, now. You don't have the natural, god given disposition to suggest anything to Assfly. He's a man, he's stronger and more emotionally stable than you. Perhaps you should make him some nice scones? *hides* --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 15:26, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
"Childlike, gentle, pretty, willowy, submissive." SusanG's passport photograph
CP definition of Femininity: The quality of being "childlike, gentle, pretty, willowy, submissive."[5] - Icewedge 15:47, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
That's me! Susanpurrrrr 15:49, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Yeah, but I heard you charge people for you to behave that way.... ;) Spica 15:56, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
But not extortionately! Susanpurrrrr 15:59, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

When Andy reads us getting at each other like this he rubs his hands. Perhaps he rubs his Aubergine shaped thing too. He thinks what it says in his mythology, "A house that is divided against itself cannot stand"We should be getting the Conservative fundies and not each other.Barbara Shack 16:09, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Andrew Schlafly - manly man. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
Hahaha, I knew Buffy the vampire slayer era Alyson Hannigan was the perfect woman! --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 16:23, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Barbara, it's lulz (humour - remember the concept?). Susanpurrrrr 16:25, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Alltho, i sure could use a woman to cook for me... Timppeli 16:35, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I've got one. :) Susanpurrrrr 16:38, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I learned to cook -- it's cheaper ;) humanUser talk:Human 17:03, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I do all the cooking in my house. I like to be called "Wendy" or "Jemima" at the weekends, though.... Oooh! Whatagiveaway!! Spica 09:12, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Ha, "The Lord's Plan worked out rather well, actually" As opposed to some of His touchier contributions.... :P--PlantB 22:24, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Further to 'productive Minister's Sons'[edit]

I think this comment from the cp Talk page has got to be preserved here for it's supreme lulz factor:

I am happy to finally see coherent logic on a wiki encyclopedia! I believe this 'google search' logic should be applied to other articles as well! For example, a quick google search of "porn" revealed about 220,000,000 webpages, which indicates that "porn" accounts for about 256,709% more worldly accomplishements than "minister's son"s do (which only returns a paltry 85,700 websites). This should be stated explicitly in both articles. I also firmly believe that we need an article for "gay anal porn", because it returns 229,000 responses, indicating 262% more worldly influence than "minister's son"s.--Castoridae 15:32, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Zmidponk 16:14, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Andrew Schlafly will certainly get those adolescent homeschooled kids interested in Gay anal porn.Barbara Shack 16:29, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
They aren't already? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:04, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

In your face, YECers![edit]

6000 years?

You were right, YECers. Scientists did get the age of the Grand Canyon wrong. It isn't really 6 million years old. It's actually 17 million years old! (AP article here) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 16:56, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Pfft, it's a measuring error. These so-called scientists used the Liberal tools of geometry to calculate the height of the grand canyon. It's well known that angles changed in the past, due to the earth being inside a white hole. Clearly, the canyon was indeed cut at the extraordinary pace of a foot every thousand years after the flood, and has now reached its magnificent depth of six feet deep today! --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 17:06, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

I'm sure Ohio State University appreciates being associated with the WorldNetDaily[edit]

Oh noes! Gays have a systematic plan for attaining equal rights in America! God forbid! And Ohio State University is in cahoots with the Liberal Gay Agenda! The evil little fruitcakes! (This was a source used in Liberal tools.) --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:13, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

My impression: "Blah, blah, blah, my book, blah, blah, blah, my book is great, blah, blah, you should buy my book, blah, blah, please take advantage of these special offers. Sucker." Weakest sales pitch ever. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:21, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Also, since when is 'jamming' an example of liberal tools? Can we expect to see Liberal freestyle, Liberal improv, and Atheistic scat singing? --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
I'm looking forward to Liberal arpeggio myself! --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:53, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
You said "scat"-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 18:32, 9 March 2008 (EDT)


There's almost as much activity on Dungeons & Dragons as on Abortion. Susanpurrrrr 17:30, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Jinxmchue's moronic assholery[edit]

Jinxmchue's moronic assholery approaches the level of the Pointy-Haired Boss from Dilbert in this comment. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 17:39, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

The proper response to that article is "No more so Conservative and his homosexual articles or Andy and his article on breasts" --Shagie 17:45, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I estimate that reading through that talk page made me 3.82% dumber. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:51, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
I love the image at the top of D&D - one of the players is clearly sporting Satanic regalia! humanUser talk:Human 18:14, 9 March 2008 (EDT)
Andy has an article on breasts? Is it fap-worthy? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 18:18, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Navy Values[edit]

About this WIGO: Cue Meteor Hailstorm in 5... 4... --Sid 19:49, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh, actually no: Croco just replied in the "No, this is an exception because Our Troops Are The Good Guys And Deserve Our SupportTM" way that was to be expected. Oh, plus a 3-day block. --Sid 19:52, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

sign andy up![edit]

"Based on the incoherent comments by liberals above, perhaps we need a new entry entitled "liberal drivel"! It could feature the best of the best.--Aschlafly 21:09, 9 March 2008 (EDT)"

The wigo entry is badly worded, but the comment is a gem. Andy has gone RW on us! We should tell him to call it "Liberals: What is going on?" humanUser talk:Human 21:22, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

(up)(down) Radioactive afikomen denies the obvious.
(up)(down) Sid engages in last wordism.
(up) (down) Zmidponk uses incorrect statistics to disprove correct statistics.

NightFlareSpeak, mortal 21:58, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

Nice work! May I add:
(up) (down) Human gets drunk (again) and starts adding unintelligible gibberish to trashionalwiki (again) See here for several thousand examples.

humanUser talk:Human 22:10, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

(up) (down) Sid has a one-track mind

(Jeez, I seriously need a hobby aside from getting CP Lulz...) --Sid 23:27, 9 March 2008 (EDT)


I cant stop laughing. MetcalfeM 22:49, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

About what? humanUser talk:Human 00:30, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
This. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 00:44, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Hehe, thanks. It did not occur to me that CP would actually have an article with that name! humanUser talk:Human 01:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Crocoite's originality[edit]

I'll admit he's not payed for what he's doing but Crocodile could surely think up his own headers for the main page news. I've not checked them all, but most seem to be straight copies from the articles he's referencing - no interpretation or editing at all. Susanpurrrrr 02:21, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Seriously. He's turning that half of the front page into nothing more than a bad blog aggregator, which I doubt really advertises the place very well. I doubt any vandal could damage it more, to be honest. --Kels 06:43, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
He could just put a link to about five sites/blogs/news pages & leave it there permanently. (mind you I suppose we could just put a link to CP!) Susanpurrrrr 06:48, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Hey, give the fella a break--it's hard work being a deep-cover parodist. So he takes a few shortcuts. Having three or four wives probably cuts into one's time, too.--WJThomas 08:32, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Oy vey, but some of the things he links to.

Without a new law, intelligence professionals have to establish "probable cause" that the target of surveillance is a terrorist to the satisfaction of a judge on the court created by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA) before they can intercept the suspect's communications. This is an onerous and unprecedented burden on the intelligence community.

Oh noes! The Democrats are in favour of "burdensome" oversight! You either give dictatorial powers to the president or you're with the terrorists! --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 08:43, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I wouldn't mind if he just copy-pasted headlines (though it is somewhat annoying and lacks information value - especially headlines like "Richard Milhous Rodham" or "Listen Up", both taken from the current front page), but he makes it sound like hard work. Ohhhhh, "I search many internet sites"! Here, let me show you how I search many internet sites: *opens RSS client* Wow, I just browsed a dozen internet sites for stories! Go, me!
Seriously, Crocoite's major contribution to CP could easily be replaced by a RSS client. Hell, write a small script that auto-exports certain headlines to the CP main page and you're done. --Sid 09:48, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Another Harvard Alumni[edit]

Andy is hard enough to believe, now Edward is claiming to have been at Harvard. No offence to our American friends, but isn't that place supposed to be, you know, for intelligent people? Matt 07:21, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Are there kindergartens attached to Harvard - or creches perhaps. Susanpurrrrr 07:24, 10 March 2008 (EDT) (shouldn't it be alumnus?)
I grew up in a college town, and it was common for the university to rent or loan out their mostly-unused-in-the-evenings classrooms to private or outside groups for various functions, meetings, and adult ed classes. So when Ed sez he took Japanese classes "at" Harvard, he's probably leaving out the part that they were taught privately via Grandpa Hirohito's Japanese Language Academy. Or perhaps he's referring to a tawdry affair with an Asian Harvard student.--WJThomas 08:12, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
For UK Private Eye readers I think the equivalent is Ugandan discussions. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 08:36, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
OK, so I go to a top rated university, med school, and residency program; I become an instructor and low-level professor; and a bunch of friggiots with minimal education are "experts" in my field, and I'm not. Lovely. 08:43, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
But, see, right there you've admitted to attending a (probably liberal atheistic homosexual affirmative-action) university and having professor values. Of course your so-called "expertise" is suspect!--WJThomas 09:47, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
And he's only a low-level professor. That shows his complete lack of expertise right there! *dodges thrown scalpels* ;) --Sid 09:51, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Don't worry, PAL's an internist. I'll bet he hasn't seen a scalpel since med school. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 10:14, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I bet he's an expert at stethoscope bludgeoning though. Hey, there's some expertise for you!--Bayesyikes 10:38, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
First, stethoscopes are better for garotting than bludgeoning. Second, I just cut someone open the other day. Sort of. I mean, never mind. 10:47, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
On purpose? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:02, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

(Undent) I for one would rather not know about what PAL's Doctor Values drives him to do in the dark alleyways behind the hospital. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 13:14, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, there's no need to generate more fodder for the gaytheism article. We all know that doctors engage in godless buttsehks in hospital alleys after vaccinating creating autism cases.--Bayesyikes 16:26, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Professor values[edit]

According to CP's Professor values article, the 500,000 professors in the U.S. commit "many shocking crimes", yet they name only 14 examples. 14/500,000—that's 1 in every 35,714! Not bad, if you ask me! --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:06, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Actually, it's even less, as included in those 14 are incidents from the past, so the base number should not be the number of current professors (allegedly 500,000) but the number of professors throughout history (a much higher number). This is what we call "critical thinking in math". DickTurpis 13:19, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Also, many aren't in the US, and they've still got the jaywalking charge up there.... --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 13:33, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
You know, I was gonna mention the same thing.... but you beat me to it... I wonder how a comparison of Religious Crimes (Priests, Pastors, Deacons, Etc...) would stack up to professor crimes... and I wonder how long a (religious crimes) article would stay up at Conservapedia SirChuckBThis country needs more Rutabegas 19:03, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


Their current Prince article is still a mess. What a hodgepodge of randomness. DickTurpis 15:14, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Looks like it should be a disambiguation page to me. Don't they have a template for that? Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 15:21, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
It is basically a disambiguation page (though they may eschew the term as being to Wikipedia-ey). The thing is they don't address the very notion of what a prince is (odd, considering half their damn entries are pulled straight from dictionaries), and their four examples are the rock star and the book (ok, though considering Andy's antipathy towards anything entertainment related it's odd having the musician first) then Prince Phillip (is he the only actual prince they have an article on? No Rainier? Wills? Harry? Henry the Navigator?) and Prince George's County, Maryland (WTF?). Jut plain random. DickTurpis 15:39, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
If you can pull up some more examples then I'm sure one of their lurkers will add them. BTW, we haven't heard from THE Lurker recently. I hope nothing has happened to him. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 15:45, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
They've got a disambiguation page. Susanpurrrrr 15:52, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I see they've improved it, but for anyone watching, what about cp:Henry the Navigator, cp:Prince Edward Island, and maybe writing some articles on Prince Harry (he's been in he news recently), Prince Rainier (an article on Grace Kelly might not be so bad either), and let's not forget the Queen's other sons, Andrew and Edward (if I remember correctly), to name just a few other princes. Three sentences on each should suffice; that's about the standard size of CP articles it seems. Since I was blocked for no reason half a year ago, I am afraid I am unable to help you here beyond these suggestions. DickTurpis 16:05, 10 March 2008 (EDT)


Okay, I'm sure many of us are quite unhappy, disappointed, and angry at Eliot Spitzer now, and he's certainly fair game, but what the fuck is this? With RobS gone, I guess Andy is trying to be king of the non-sequiturs, and doing a bang-up job. Also, the referenced article says nothing about him resigning at this stage. DickTurpis 15:50, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Well, Andy's grammar and thought processes are slug-like at best, so it shouldn't be a surprise that he chokes when he's excitable, in a hurry to get some good news posted. (and Spitzer's resignation would probably be a safe bet, at any rate).--WJThomas 16:00, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Okay, I take that back--apparently, RandyAndy does indeed mean what his headline says: that Spitzer is pro-abortion because he consorts with prostitutes. Gotta cover up the evidence, I guess. Damn, that boy gets dumber every day...--WJThomas 16:58, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

There's more agin ya than for ya Andy[edit]

Say no more!

He's back[edit]

After a week off Conservative's back (been away with the boyfriend? :) ). Good, I've been missing his Gay bashing (although his first destructive act was to delete "Gaytheism". Was it the 15th He promised some amazing revelation? Can't wait! Susanpurrrrr 17:45, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

*stares* Wow, ever since his Major Announcement on March 1, Conservative spent all his edits on three things:
  1. Update his running stats
  2. Fiddle with that userspace project
  3. Upload images (apparently for the userspace project)
Substantive edits to the "encyclopedia": 0 (But of course, Conservative will never, ever be poked about that - he's a sysop, after all!)
Why don't they move that huge-ass project to the mainspace so other people are allowed to edit it? It seems that Conservative and others still miss the point of a wiki. And I'm willing to bet that it will be locked for eternity the moment it hits the mainspace. --Sid 17:52, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I've followed this little project for quite a while, and it is designed to be presented as a fait accompli. I imagine it will be locked, bolted and welded shut to prevent anyone else touching it. I can only think Conpervative is setting his "mark" so that he can boast about all the new hits it gets. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 17:58, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
I wonder on how many forums he will troll with it... --Sid 19:01, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
The evidence section is hilarious. Paragraphs and paragraphs of filler, and not a single piece of evidence supporting the "theory". He really doesn't understand the difference between evidence supporting X and evidence against Y which is contradictory to X. Perhaps he doesn't see the logical flaw in the statement "Evolution is not a satisfactory explanation for the origin of the species therefore intelligent design is true." --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 03:08, 11 March 2008 (EDT)


The real reason Rationalwiki cannot mentioned on CP - Rule 5, no advertising. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 18:46, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Right. Because just mentioning the name (without an URL, even) is an ad. Also, John Rook and his "Hit Parade Hall of Fame". Or Peter LaBababababa's "Americans for Truth about Homosexuality". --Sid 19:00, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Aw, that's too bad. I've always really wanted to advertise on Conservapedia. :-( --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 19:20, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

I lolled at myself :)[edit]

"Human reproduction is the mechanism by which we perpetuate our species. In order for human reproduction to occur, a married man and woman must engage in the ultimate act of intimacy. Most non-Christian cultures also enshrine this activity within a marriage-like union: a lifelong, legally sanctioned bond between one man and one woman. Some liberal "families" may reproduce outside of marriage or unions, but these "families" are prone to dissolution, drugs, violence, and liberal values."

Found via teh assfly's talk page I think, it's here. Ah, those were the good old days. humanUser talk:Human 19:10, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Oh, wait, I didn't write most of that parody. Apparently, some McGavin character mucked up my work. humanUser talk:Human 19:15, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Defensive Weapon Of Gun... used by a hairstylist to shoot an angry customer.[edit]

File this one under "News you won't see on the CP Main Page": "A hairstylist shot an unhappy client after she complained about her haircut"

Any of our resident - and suicidal - CP lurkers wanna suggest this for some Lulz? ;) Disclaimer: I don't support trolling, but I'd love to see Andy, Croco and Kara handwaving this one away.

(Of course, we all know that this is a story that opposed gun control - if the customer had carried a gun, she could have shot the hairstylist immediately instead of complaining.) --Sid 19:35, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

As we know, all hairstylists are teh ghey, and teh gheys can't have weapon of gun or they will sodomize us forcibly.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 19:42, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
This is why hippies have long hair. --Shagie 19:48, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Thought about this briefly, created Conservapedia: News you won't see as a "this is news that Conservapedia should have on their front page because it is applicable to the issues that are raised on the site, but won't because it shows something they don't want to see." --Shagie 20:03, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Neat idea! *puts it on watchlist* --Sid 20:11, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Actually you liberal hippies, if the client or shampoo girl would have been armed this would have been a story about good triumphing over evil instead of a tragedy. Exasperate me!Sheesh!I said what? 20:48, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Ooh ooh wait! OK, argument arises. Stylist gets gun and shoots ceiling and client's bum. Client's sister pulls out concealed weapon of gun and kills sassy stylist. Hoorah, weapon of gun saves day! Wait, I forgot to mention the weapon of dog... Stylist's weapon of dog proceeds to maul client's sister to ending of death. So there. humanUser talk:Human 20:57, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Ahhhh, Barikada, working hard to get me some Lulz... --Sid 20:56, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

Don't you see? It's all cp:Hollywood values. Clearly the hairstylist has been to see Sweeney Todd rather than a god fearing production featuring Charlton Heston, and come away with the idea that killing and eating people is A-OK. Lacking the largely defensive weapon of straight razor, the weapon of gun had to suffice. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 02:48, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Could this be ... sarcasm? — Unsigned, by: SusanG / talk / contribs
I'm 95% certain that all "Let's have an article on [noun] Values!" suggestions on CP are sarcasm. Aside from Andy (and Croco and Kara, Andy's pet enforcers), nobody seems to take those "[noun] Values" articles seriously. --Sid 12:20, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Liberal drivel[edit]

It's back!-αmεσ (blackguard) 21:02, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

By the way, has anyone checked out the useless footnote for Nixon at cp:deceit? humanUser talk:Human 21:20, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Nope, it's gone now. Redirected to CP:Conservapedia:Deletedpage:Deleted page. --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 13:20, 11 March 2008 (EDT)


(When I first saw that header I thought it was about the 7 gold medal winning swimmer)

Why can't assfly just reword the headline from the stoopid:

"Elliot Spitzer is the pro-abortion governor of New York. Now we can understand why: he was involved in a prostitution ring..."

To the concise:

"Elliot Spitzer, the pro-abortion governor of New York, was involved in a prostitution ring..."

Or even better:

"Eliott Splitzer is teh liberal, deseetful baby-murdering governor of communist New York. Now we can haz understand! Why waz he involvd in ring of prostitution?"

humanUser talk:Human 21:04, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

You forgot "JEW"-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --4 out of 5 doctors recommend RW for gas pain 23:09, 10 March 2008 (EDT)
Ssshhhhhh! Good Christians have been pretending to love their Jewish brothers for over sixty years now. humanUser talk:Human 23:20, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

(shamelessly PoV forked to here)

Maybe Andy reads different news sources, but my parents who live in Albany said he's probably going to resign today. CP's latest headline is another great example of Andy's Retard Deceit (no offense to those with actual retardation). Jrssr5 08:03, 12 March 2008 (EDT)


Okay, this edit summary made me go "Huh?": "centigrade is, technically, not the same as Celsius - but it's close enough for weather reports"

I wasn't familiar with the term "centigrade", so I first followed Ed's link for it. CP's "centigrade" article... redirects to "Celsius", which contains this: "Centigrade is a term commonly used as a synonym of Celsius"

Uh, okay. So I checked Wikipedia's "centigrade" article... which also redirects to "Celsius" and basically says that just the name changed due to ambiguity.

So is Ed just trying to sound smart while saying "We usually don't call it that anymore..." or am I seriously missing something here? I know I'm nitpicky, but I'd say that they're technically the same because only the name changed. --Sid 10:08, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I don't think I've heard of 'centigrade' before, either, but as far as I can see, they're exactly the same. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 10:16, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
I've always been told they're synonymous. Barikada 10:17, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
They were always used interchangeably when I learned them. Jrssr5 10:19, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Waaaaaay back (in the 50s) Centigrade was the common usage in UK schools at least. Celsius came into use in my later school years here (early 60s) although it had been in technical/scientific use for yonks. Susanpurrrrr 10:22, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
I think Ed is right. Originally the Celsius scale and centigrade scale were defined using 0 degrees (freezing point of water) and 100 degrees (boiling point of water), so they were synonymous. Later, the Celsius scale was defined precisely as (Kelvin - 273.15), and Kelvin is defined using absolute zero and the triple point of water (read WP's article closely). Centigrade wasn't redefined. So technically the Celsius and centigrade scales differ by 0.01 degrees.--Bayesyikes 10:26, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Heh, the wikipedia article told me something I didn't know. Celsius' original scale went backwards -- That is 0 being the boiling point of water, and 100 being its freezing point. Not that this applies to the SI unit. As an aside, all this scale nonsense makes a good counterargument to god botherers when they yammer on about absolute goodness being god. Remind them you don't need an absolute to make a scale, just two fixed points like centigrade. --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 10:30, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Scale of temperature, previously called centigrade, in which the range from freezing to boiling of water is divided into 100 degrees, freezing point being 0 degrees and boiling point 100 degrees.

The degree centigrade (°C) was officially renamed Celsius in 1948 to avoid confusion with the angular measure known as the centigrade (one hundredth of a grade). The Celsius scale is named after the Swedish astronomer Anders Celsius, who devised it in 1742 but in reverse (freezing point was 100°; boiling point 0°). Susanpurrrrr 10:32, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

A temperature scale proposed by Swedish astronomer Anders Celsius in 1742, from 0 degrees (freezing point of water) and 100 degrees (boiling point of water). It was also known a centigrade coz its metric. Centigrade is simply an obsolete term for the Celsius temperature scale. Defining the celsius scale precisely means automatically redefining the centigrade scale. They are both the fucking same. I grew up with centigrade but knew posh people said celsius. Auld Nick 10:34, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
They were the same until 1954, when Celsius was redefined [6] [7].--Bayesyikes 10:39, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
(picky) but, see quote above, Centigrade no longer existed - it had been renamed "Celsius" in 1948. Susanpurrrrr 10:46, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Regardless of the official "recognition" of one or the other, the two scales we're talking about are technically different.--Bayesyikes 10:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Heh!Susanpurrrrr 10:57, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
We've managed to spend half the page size picking apart a technicality. I love it. :)--Bayesyikes 11:05, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Yes but ..... Susanpurrrrr 11:07, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Hey, I learned something at least. :) Thanks for explaining this one! --Sid 11:09, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Now, now! We'll have none o' that larnin' on here - CP's the edumicational site - we're just snarky. Susanpurrrrr 11:13, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
And now for the trivia question of the day. Why is the freezing point of water 32 degrees rather than zero on the Farenheit scale? PoorEd 11:41, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
There are a few competing versions of the story of how Fahrenheit came to devise his temperature scale. According to Fahrenheit himself in an article he wrote in 1724 [1] he determined three fixed points of temperature. The zero point is determined by placing the thermometer in a mixture of ice, water, and ammonium chloride. This is a type of frigorific mixture. The mixture automatically stabilizes its temperature at zero degrees Fahrenheit (0 °F). He then put an alcohol or mercury thermometer into the mixture and let the liquid in the thermometer descend to its lowest point. The second point is the 32nd degree found by mixing ice and water without the salt. His third point, the 96th degree, was the level of the liquid in the thermometer when held in the mouth or under the armpit. Fahrenheit noted that, using this scale, mercury boils at around 600 degrees.

(Wikipedia Susanpurrrrr 11:46, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Is "frigorific" a real word? --JeεvsYour signature gave me epilepsy... 11:48, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Of course it friggin' is! Susanpurrrrr 11:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
Damn, you cheated! Just goes to show that Wikipedia is The Encyclopaedia You Can Trust. PoorEd 11:59, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Back in the 80s only Celsius was used in Finland, but centigrade was more common in Italy, and you still hear people use it. And Bayes, I think your link is wrong. IMO, Celsius and centigrade are the same - the only difference being that Celsius is more precisely defined. But there shouldn't be the 0.01 K difference. Леушка(Editor at CP) 12:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

The story I heard about Fahrenheit was that he calibrated 0 to the low tempature of the day and 100 to his body temperature that day (he had a slight fever - probably had a cold from watching a thermometer outside). This makes slightly more sense to me in that it clearly establishes 0 and 100 and then each degree was 1/100th of that range. As a side note, this has the nice feature of being very anthropocentric and in terms of talking about what range a person can live at (but very poor for anything with conversions). --Shagie 14:36, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

<-- I grew up calling it centigrade in Wales. Don't know if that was cultural or just what my parents called it. Didn't get the Celsius thing until we were stateside. Also, did any one notice this: "A helical spring can also be used, is in the common refrigerator thermometer." Ignoring the typos, springs aren't used as thermometric devies - bimetal strips are. That they are often coiled into a spiral doesn't make them a spring... humanUser talk:Human 20:08, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

That F. calibration stuff is interesting. I always thought he just marked the thermometer first, then started measuring things. But it appears he tried to make an almost binary (0-32-96) scale of some sort? Anyone know if, after America enters the 20th century, we might convert to metric finally?

PS, in metric time (10 hours/day, 100 minutes, 100 seconds), the second is almost exactly the same length of time. humanUser talk:Human 20:13, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

I suspect we will eventually get there (metric units). Though metric time messes up a lot of things. There are many things in SI units that you would have to redefine (speed of light? Hertz?) if you change what a second is. Even if its 'almost exactly the same', a 1% change is quite a bit. Try this for fun - pi seconds is a nano century. Another fun bit, originally, an hour was 1/12th of the daylight. There were 12 hours of sunlight on the summer solstice and 12 hours of sunlight on the winter solstice -- the length of an hour changed. Back to the second, it would be more likely to redefine the second so that i was the time it takes light to travel 300,000 meters, though that still messes up things. Alternative approach is to have 'witching seconds' at the end of the day. --Shagie 21:51, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
One more fun bit... light travels about 1 foot in 1 nanosecond. There are two places where this is practical knowledge - optimizing the Cray (timing loops were tweaked by changing the length of the cable) and approximating the amount of cable you will need (a friend in college interned at CERN for a bit and you needed to have cables the right length for timing signals). --Shagie 21:55, 11 March 2008 (EDT)
I think you mean equinox - at the equini, there are 12 hours of daylight everywhere. Oh wait, I see what you mean. The daylight was divided into 12 roughly equal segments called hours, no matter how long the day was. As far as metric time, the def of the second should, yes, be based on a physical constant, but it doesn't have to be a nice round number. The trouble with my 100,000 seconds day, is, yes, it screws up all previous uses of the time interval. have to give it a new name ;) PS, it's off by about 10%, but for common usage, that is essentially the same. humanUser talk:Human 22:10, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Last word?[edit]

Is this the last word on "Last Wordism"? Or was it this? Susanpurrrrr 10:52, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Christian Identity[edit]

I Think Fox is onto something here. PoorEd 12:39, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

That's a good article, we should steal it. Or link to it from ours. humanUser talk:Human 20:14, 11 March 2008 (EDT)