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I don't quite get the ozone one, could you explain? --Kels 08:00, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

It is claimed ozone depletion is an alleged chemical destruction i.e. ozone depletion by chemicals has not been proven.
Then we are infomed various ozone-depleting substances (ODS), however, accelerate the destruction processes which basically says ozone depletion is also caused by chemicals which changes the allegation into fact.
WhatIsG0ing0n 08:33, 3 June 2007 (CDT)
I get it now, thanks. --Kels 08:36, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

I wonder if cp also quotes Amnesty when it comes to Guantanamo, Abu Graib or massacres in Iraq... MiddleMan 09:35, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

They use them heavily when it comes to describing what torture is, and I'm responsible for plastering Amnesty refs across a few articles. It's also claimed that they're a covert Christian organisation [1]. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר שְׁלֹום!

Now, that's hardly a "slip up" - you are being unfair if you are insinuating that all of my edits are made in order to toe the party line, regardless of my own opinions or beliefs. Shame on you for thinking that. לול 04:48, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

How amusing :D Edit war seems a bit strong as there have been 9 edits this afternoon since I last edited The Grauniad article. And as for Intifada, that hasn't been edited for around 10 hours. Wow, it must be a slow news day here at VandalWiki if that's all you've got to report. Suggestion - why don't you instead do something constructive with your time eg create some interesting articles on this site? Its incredibly threadbare. לול 17:20, 16 June 2007 (CDT)
The problem here Lulz is that most people have a real life to lead rather than copying out articles for homeschoolers. Of course I exclude myself as I'm just a sad lonely person who really needs to get to bed. :P God's peed Babel fishÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†Now look here! 17:26, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

andy proves the point[edit]

three thoughts:

  • That's far too easy.
  • Very funny.
  • damn why didn't i think of that. δαιισρΗταλκ 07:09, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Editing block[edit]

Is editing now blocked during the day at CP? Or are only approved people allowed to edit now. No register and get laid in any more? Or have they just been suffereing from a spate of vandalism and closed the system down? Auld Nick 11:30, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

They've locked the database following a burst of vandalism earlier today (probably the FFVII guy again). It's been locked ever since. Trashbat 11:33, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

And it's open again for those who really want to contribute... Trashbat 11:52, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

kind of the same?[edit]

Isnt this basically the same thing as Conservapedia:Best of Conservapedia? - Icewedge 20:29, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

Er… yeah. They should be merged, IMHO. --Linus(plot evil tech) 20:36, 19 July 2007 (CDT)
Unless anyone objects I am going to move this to an archive of Best of conservapedia. - Icewedge 01:37, 9 August 2007 (CDT)

Perhaps. But not everything belongs in Best of.... I think that there should be two separate pages - one for the absolute golden winners, but also another page, like this, simply for developing news at CP. Smaller stuff, for those of us obsessed with their daily shenanigans. Like my addition just now about Andy writing an unbiased article - it does not belong on Best of... but I find it fascinating and worth recording nonetheless. Whereas Best Of... should be a place for those who know nothing about CP to instantyl find their greatest howlers. Doggedpersistance 13:41, 10 August 2007 (CDT)

CP down again?[edit]

My daily giggle involves reading Dilbert and something on CP but I haven't been able to access them for a while. Anybody else experiencing difficulties? I notice that it's a Saturday and that's when Andy starts tinkering. ɱ@δ ɱ!ɳHello?/I did this! 15:05, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

No, I was over there just a second ago, and it looked fineworking to me.
Must by my proxy server blocking it. I can get on if I use an anon proxy. Thanks for waking me up. ɱ@δ ɱ!ɳHello?/I did this! 16:04, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

Advanced Degrees at CP[edit]

Did anyone catch this gem of a claim from Andy: "Here at Conservapedia we have many contributors who have one or more of the following advanced degrees: JDs, MDs and PhDs" [2]. Besides Andy (JD) and Roger (PhD), are there any other current contributers that claim to have an advanced degree, much less more than one advanced degree? As far as I know, the only MD they had left. I don't think 2 counts as "many contributors". --Brian 15:45, 22 July 2007 (CDT)

That depends. Do all the people that are being quotemined and plagiarized from count? --Sid 16:07, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
With all the stuff they've lifted from Exploring Creation with Various Bull, OMG-DR!!!!!1111one111 Jay L. Wile, PH-FUCKING-D-YOU-PIECE-OF-LIBERAL-FILTH! is practically a contributor, so I guess, yeah. And since we know they use the time-honoured one-two-many arithmetic, I'd say their claim is valid. From a certain point of view. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:12, 22 July 2007 (CDT)
Do they count people here who have socks over there? If so, count me for two PhD's. SJIHAS 10:32, 16 August 2007 (CDT)

Schlafly feud[edit]

Pretty unreal exchange there between Andy and Roger there, but imagine the family Thanksgiving dinner. As Phyllis gathers in her whelps, Andy screams, "I'm not sitting with that dirty relativist!" and demands that Roger recant or be thrown out with He Who Shall Not Be Named.--MountainTiger 13:35, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

Andy Godspeeded Roger twice! XD --Robledo 13:54, 2 August 2007 (CDT)

RobertTurkel has signed up at Conservapedia![edit]

RobertTurkel has signed onto Conservapedia and I believe he is going to be editing the atheism article at Conservapedia! Newton 16:17, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Here is the log on: (User creation log); 10:23 . . RobertTurkel (Talk | contribs | block) (New user) Newton 16:22, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Robert Turkel????? The Robert Turkel?!?!?!!?!!111!!!! OMG!!!! I can hardly fucking believe it!!!! DickTurpis 16:27, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Oh yea, JP Holding will bring much needed credibility to CP ;). 24.141.169.255 16:29, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm sorry, I live in Canada and we don't get cable TV, newspapers or radio in our igloos. As a wikipedia search yeilds precious little and a Google search produces what looks like a clusterfuck of accusations and fake identities, can someone please tell me why I should give a shit about this or not? PFoster 16:32, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

You shouldn't, Turkel is a nom-de-forum for JP holding of tektonics fame. He is an apologist troll and the reason a google search yields a cluster fuck is because his only claim to fame is being a brick wall on apologist forums and the use net. 24.141.169.255 16:37, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Asssuming thats http://tektonics.org/ I'd be ashamed to admit that. Keepon keeping on 16:36, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Why do we care if some other idiot is signing onto the idiots-r-us site?--PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 16:38, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Who is Robert Turkel and why do I care.-αmεσ (!) 16:39, 15 August 2007 (CDT)


Ashamed to admit that this particular nutjob has escaped your radar? Hey, life is short sweetheart, there's only time for so many crazies, you know? Or ashamed to admit yo're Canadian? PFoster 16:40, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

I'm going to echo my peers, who cares? --Kels 16:40, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
I think I will work on the Conservapedia atheism article today. I am going to keep an eye out for RobertTurkel's edits to Conservapedia. AmesG, here is a tool to search the internet in regards to RobertTurkel: http://www.google.com Newton 16:41, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Your attempts at baiting us are so juvenile its kinda of cute. 24.141.169.255 16:43, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Maybe we need an article on famous internet creationist trolls?--PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 16:42, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
HOORAY! ...wait, who? *checks Wikipedia* *comes up empty* *checks Google* Oh, look! It's an internet troll who uses several alternate names! Bonus: WP AFD of his alt-name and AFD of the real name - a familiar name should pop up, and I'm not talking about JoshuaZ ;) Ah, fun times. Just when I thought that CP might become boring ;) --Sid 16:42, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Perhaps it's just a "witty" sock. ŠтΈṜȳŁЁand...? 16:44, 15 August 2007 (CDT)


Isn't it kinda cute how Ken gets all excited over this guy, though? I've always found man-love sweet, I dunno. Just wash your hands afterwards, boys, and use protection! --Kels 16:48, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Wonder how long it'll be before he comes to blows with TK? KeepMe informed

We can get them some Maplethorpe prints for their new flat.--PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 16:50, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
I think Ken's more of a Tom of Finland sorta guy. --Kels 16:51, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, the guy's been pretty active so far: [3] DickTurpis 16:56, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Is this Newton's big things happening in next 30 days? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA (fades off into hysteria) KeepMe informed 16:58, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Ken, I looked on Google, but all I found were articles attacking him. So, I asked you to give you the benefit of the doubt, and let you present him to me first. Who is this dude?-αmεσ (!) 17:02, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
AmesG, did you use a conservative computer to access Google or a liberal computer? I ask because it doesn't appear as if all the articles listed by Google on RobertTurkel are negative. :) Newton 17:06, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
I see, I think: If nobody likes them or thinks they're nutjobs then they're obviously doing the Lord's work, Google be damned. But what the hell's a "liberal computer"? CЯacke® 19:56, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Clearly, a computer that routinely ignores facts, then laughs at you for being unable to counter its ridiculous off-topic arguments. Or did I get that mixed up with a conservative computer? ThunderkatzHo! 20:03, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

More stuff we don't care about here[edit]

In celebration of RobertTurkel's signing up at Conservapedia I made the theory of evolution article at Conservapedia the article of the month! Newton 17:00, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Ignoring Newton, sign your name below the line if you care. ThunderkatzHo! 17:02, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Ken, I'm glad that you enjoy spending time here and I'm curious to hear more about this guy... but who the heck is he?-αmεσ (!) 17:04, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Users who care about Robert Turkel[edit]

I care. RobertTurkel 17:05, 15 August 2007 (CDT)


(ignore the sound of crickets)

In celebration of a total whackjob signing up at conservapædia[edit]

One more for the nuthouse. KeepMe informed 17:03, 15 August 2007 (CDT) Balloons.svg

AmesG, did you use a conservative computer to access Google or a liberal computer? I ask because it doesn't appear as if all the articles listed by Google on RobertTurkel are negative. :)Newton 17:09, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
You seem to be the one with the faulty computer, Ken. I just looked an the only positive thing on the first two pages of Google was this guy's website. And it wasn't even the first hit! You're probably logged in to Google where you are or something, so your results aren't the same as everyone else is getting. --Kels 17:25, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Oh, and your Load o' Shit Evolution article comes somewhere midway down page five. --Kels 17:25, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Take it easy on Ken...Bflo is a boring town...just wings and beer.--PalMD-Ars longa, vita brevis 17:29, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
The theory of evolution article at Conservapedia is ranked 26th by Google: http://www.google.com/search?q=theory+of+evolution&hl=en&start=20&sa=N Newton 17:30, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Conservapedia has achieved the #1 Google rank for Flipperithecus! ;) See: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Flipperithecus&btnG=Search Newton 17:36, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
If I were you, it would probably bother me a little bit that Conservapedia is apparently the only site on the Internet to mention this "Flipperithecus". --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:40, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Flipperithecus, Flipperithecus, faster than God's holy liiiiightning! --Kels 17:44, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
So what, we're #1 for "atheist thumper!" And other sites refer to it as well as us! Made-up words always work well for #1 google hits... humanbe in 17:59, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
CP is also #1 for "seppfleecin"! DickTurpis 20:27, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Hmm ... How to get to be number 1: INVENT THE F*****G WORD KeepMe informed 17:42, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Not true, I read about Flipperithecus in science publications and I recall seeing it at another website. You just have to know how to do internet searches. Newton 17:46, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
For example, here is another website which mentions flipperithecus: http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/genesis/gen05.html Newton 17:52, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Ah. Flipperpithecus. I suggest renaming that CP article post-haste. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:55, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Googled fl.. 4 results 3 = cp (1's a redirect) & the other's a reference to cp. KeepMe informed 17:53, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, at least he arrives with a ready made ekename: it's a turkey KeepMe informed 20:33, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

Welcome, Mr. Turkel[edit]

DanH welcomes Mr. Turkel. The talk page comment strengthens my assumption that Conservative invited him to CP. --Sid 18:54, 15 August 2007 (CDT)

DanH's reason for blocking: "you are not allowed to use the name of famous people." Really stretching the limits of the word "famous" aren't we... 72.226.88.168 19:25, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
I assumed it to be a typo of "infamous"... ;) --Sid 19:47, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
Is he any relation to Studs? Or that character from One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"?CЯacke® 19:58, 15 August 2007 (CDT)
As of the timestamp on this sig, Mr. Turkel has no edits. CЯacke® 12:51, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

Mr. Turkel has taken three days thus far preparing his first CP edit. It must be a hell of a doozy. I can hardly wait. DickTurpis 13:44, 18 August 2007 (CDT)

Maybe he doesn't have editing rights. =P --Kels 12:53, 19 August 2007 (CDT)

11 days later, and Mr. Turkel still hasn't made one entry.[4] Maybe he really doesn't have edit rights. --Kels 11:18, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Well, edits wouldn't show up on his logs, anyway. But his contribs list is still empty, so your point still stands. --Sid 11:27, 26 August 2007 (CDT)

Andy's Classes[edit]

Do they[5] deserve their own RW page?

Being non-American I don't understand most of this but:

A) weightings:

CLEP weightings

  • 30-40% + 30-35% + 15-20% + 10-15% = 85 -110%

AP weightings

  • 35-45% + 5-15% + 5-15% + 10-20% + 10-20% + 5-15% = 70 - 130%

so how do they use these weightings? For all I know (nothing that is) it might be standard in education but seems funny to me.

B) Some of the points in his "Interesting Issues in Government" are obviously weird but I don't understand 'em - explanations please.

  1. a liberal proposed that the next Democratic President add Justices to the Supreme Court. Lawful? [That would be "packing the court"—increasing the total number of Justices, which of course gives the President some free appointments. I learned (in public school) that Roosevelt proposed doing that and was badly shot down. Whatever "liberal" is proposing this must be a really far-out person—it hasn't appeared in any news or commentary that I've seen. One wonders why Andy is so obsessed over obscure things like this (but only from liberals!) that he puts it into his curriculum.]
  2. should Congress limit judicial review, as in ending judicial review of the Pledge of Allegiance? [Conservatives in this country have been upset over "liberal judges" for quite some time, and it has often been the case that those at the Federal level (the Supreme Court in particular) have been the most liberal, and have made rulings that individual states may not be happy with. So curbing the power of the Judiciary, either by the U.S. Congress or by the states, is a contentious issue. It's part of the whole argument of Federal vs. state authority, and state "nullification" of Federal laws, etc. In fact, this issue played a role in our Civil War. The current obsession seems to be the Federal ruling that you can't require students in those commie public schools to recite the Pledge of Allegiance.]
  3. the rule against interstate sales tax -- interference with state power?
  4. free 50 guilty defendants rather than convict one innocent one?
  5. Electoral college – scrap it?
  6. postal monopoly – end exclusivity for regular mail?
  7. line-item veto – constitutional?
  8. conditional declarations of war by Congress – constitutional?
  9. immigration - build a wall?
  10. excluding homeschoolers from public school activities – constitutional? Fair?
  11. are limits on campaign contributions constitutional?
  12. should we allow free trade with China? With countries that suppress religion?
  13. full free speech for corporations? In advertising? In denying wrongdoing?
  14. should corporations be able to donate directly to political campaigns?
  15. random drug testing of students in school activities – constitutional?
  16. equal protection clause – should it protect non-citizens? apply to gender?
  17. state discounts for residents – violate Privileges and Immunities Clause?
  18. non-delegation doctrine – can Congress delegate lawmaking to agencies?
  19. substantive due process – distinguish between economic and social rights?
  20. English-only laws for basic public school courses – constitutional?
  21. Title IX: athletes’ gender must be proportional to enrollment – constitutional?
  22. should the Bill of Rights be applied against the States?

I love the homeschoolers taking what they want from public schools (10). Explanations of any individual points welcomed. Keep cats 11:36, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

Oh, how about drug testing of homeschoolers taking part in public school sports. Wouldn't that just get their goat? --Shagie 12:27, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

As a Mongolian citizen I actually thought about joining the American Government course to see if I might learn something about their system. However, when I saw the above list on CP I thought that I am better off not knowing - just like CP'ers and sex. Genghis Khant 11:59, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

Use deep socks to create articles on these subjects before hand with well argued non-conservative extremist so that when the homeschoolers actually do start writing for the class, they will find and (hopefully) read the articles that are not pure Andy think? External links to the articles should be good moderate sources so that it can't be deleted as 'liberal' out of hand. In situations where there is clearly a debate page, create the debate page and start the discussion. Be sure to join debate pages that have been started once the class starts. --Shagie 12:27, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

Whooee Shagie - going some. Keep cats 12:35, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

Sorry meant SJIHAS - not that there's anything wrong with Shagie. Um er (When deep in hole - stop digging) Keep cats 12:44, 17 August 2007 (CDT)

For what its worth, I've tossed this material in Conservapedia:Issues in Goverment to make it easier to talk about and keep tabs on. --Shagie 12:47, 17 August 2007 (CDT)